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Speaker 1: going fine. How are you just great?

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Speaker 2: I am excited because the Centophile super Bowl is coming up.

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Speaker 1: That's right, the Oscars, baby, and we're going to hit

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Speaker 2: Have you been watching all of the Oscar Moms and whatnot?

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Speaker 1: You know? I have, Yes, I've been watching all of them,

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Speaker 1: and I have some thoughts about the general I don't

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Speaker 1: know vibe of this batch of Best Picture nominees. There

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Speaker 2: So interesting to me because last year we did an

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Speaker 1: Like anybody could win at any time.

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Speaker 1: The year interesting, nervous, interesting, I don't know. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Am I right? I mean I love the Oscars. It

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Speaker 1: I think nowadays the Oscars, the separation between the like

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Speaker 2: Paul was extremely nice. Yes, so I was really happy

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. We even got to talk about high

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Speaker 2: I love you, dear, and I've got to.

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Speaker 1: Love me to check the books.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, you were listening to Dear Movies, I love you.

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Speaker 2: This is a podcast for those who are in a

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Speaker 1: To Jericho, my name is Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: And like we've already established, we are doing an entire

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Speaker 1: It, March fifteenth?

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Speaker 2: There you go, March fifteenth, a week before my birthday. Wow,

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Speaker 2: very exciting. They I know that they have it because

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Speaker 1: Have to do it a week early, and they apologized

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Speaker 2: We couldn't get all the zombies from sinners in the

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Speaker 2: And preda portae, which means ready to wear in French,

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Speaker 1: which is the Oskars. Millie sounds like you said middle school.

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Speaker 2: to do this year, which is that they're going to give.

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Speaker 1: An oscar to casting directors. Sidebar.

435
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Speaker 2: Briefly, I always thought i'd be a good casting director,

436
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Speaker 2: but no one's given me the chance to explore that.

437
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Speaker 1: Millie, I can. I can see it. Yeah, I think

438
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: that would be a great career pivot for you. And

439
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: the only reason why I think this, to be honest,

440
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: is that I feel.

441
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: Like I catch vibes very easily when it comes to

442
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 2: people important. I can catch a vibe like I think

443
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: it's not have enough listen. I don't know if this

444
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: is what makes a good casting director. I'm just saying

445
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: personality wise, I'm very observant about people's mannerisms and behaviors.

446
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm an outsider.

447
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: This is what you develop when you know people don't

448
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: like you and you just stare into the abyss and

449
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: watch people who are beautiful and interesting.

450
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Speaker 1: I can relate to everything you're saying, Okay, thank you.

451
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: But you know, because of that, I have this, like

452
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: you know, baseline talent perhaps for perceiving people.

453
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Speaker 1: And so I'm like, is that what makes a good

454
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Speaker 1: casting director?

455
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: Because That's that's what I would bring to the table,

456
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: is that I would be like, oh, like Jacob alordy

457
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: types are coming in here, and we got to find

458
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 2: a guy that can play you know, like I don't know,

459
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: like a fourteenth century baron. And maybe if I sat

460
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: around and watch these guys like talk their shit, I

461
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: could figure.

462
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Out a good one. Yeah. My experience, you know, I

463
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: was briefly kind of a professional actor, very briefly and

464
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: not really professionally. But the casting directors were awesome. They

465
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: always were, and they were because I feel like they

466
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: really rooted for you, and it was it was to

467
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: their benefit to have the people that they put on,

468
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, in front of other directors. You know, it's

469
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: it benefits them if the director likes the people the

470
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Speaker 1: casting director is giving to them, you know, so they

471
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Speaker 1: I feel like they always kind of have the act

472
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Speaker 1: they have like the actors back when a lot of

473
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Speaker 1: other people don't.

474
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Speaker 2: You know.

475
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thelways cool.

476
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: Have you have you ever had a job where you

477
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: had to interview people like for like, have you ever

478
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: been had a job where you were like a manager

479
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: and you were having to interview people a lot?

480
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I had to do that at the restaurant.

481
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I guess that was kind of the only time I

482
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: ever had to do that. Yeah, I used to.

483
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: Hire interns at my last job, and I did have

484
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: that feeling where I was like, I feel like I

485
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: like all these people, Like there's all. It takes a

486
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: lot for me to not like somebody like if you

487
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: just like if you are if your job is to

488
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: pick between I don't know ten people that have come

489
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: in front of you and it's just like given you

490
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: their spiel.

491
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Speaker 1: For the most part, I want all those people to succeed.

492
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: I want all those people to have the job.

493
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Speaker 2: Generally, I like it unless they're like really bad, and

494
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: I definitely have had like bad interns come in or

495
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: you know, potential interns and they have like absolutely no

496
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: job experience except for they list CEO of their own

497
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: company as.

498
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: The you know, on their resume.

499
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, really, you've never had a real job,

500
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: but you're a CEO of a company that's your company.

501
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: That's not a good resume, by the way, Yeah, it

502
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: says your CEO of Bong Ripper Industries.

503
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: It says that you have are the founder and chief

504
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: creative officer of Blunt rotation incorporated.

505
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it's like that kind of shit.

506
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, yeah, but.

507
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: It's like and then they usually come into this scenario though,

508
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: and act like an idiot.

509
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: So that's the ones you don't like.

510
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I feel like I like everybody,

511
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: and I feel like, Okay, a casting director is probably

512
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: doing that too.

513
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: They're like, well, I don't know.

514
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, I don't want to make it super obvious,

515
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna have to pick one of these people.

516
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: So back to strange nominations. Any of that popped out

517
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Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, so here's why.

518
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. I'm gonna say this. The caveat

519
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: being I have not seen this movie. I am very

520
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: uneducated when it comes to the world of this IP.

521
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: Let's just say, I think I know what you're gonna say,

522
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: but go on. Okay, So I.

523
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Speaker 2: Noticed that for one of the for the category of

524
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Speaker 2: costume design, one of the nominees is I'm sure an

525
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: incredible costume designer, but worked on the movie that's nominated

526
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: is Avatar, Fire and Ash hm hmm. And my question

527
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: to you is, isn't Avatar simply people wearing like performance

528
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: capture suits and then everything is cgi onto them.

529
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Speaker 1: That is really interesting. This is an interesting discussion because

530
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: can they really be costumed if they are computer generated?

531
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Speaker 1: That's exactly I think.

532
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: My point is that, I'm like, is the costume designer

533
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: a graphic designer?

534
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe they design. I mean, I guess they

535
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: are designing the costumes because I bet a lot of

536
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: research went into it's the kind of native people who

537
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Speaker 1: exist in the type of climate that the Avatar uh

538
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: navv you know, live in. So there is design to that.

539
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: But it is interesting because they're not using like materials,

540
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: cloth and such. Yeah, so there is design. I don't know,

541
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: it's it's it's interesting.

542
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: I know. And listen, A lot of this is probably

543
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: just because I I'll just admit it, I love to

544
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: shoot on Avatar, and I I'm sorry to like all

545
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: my friends, I am one of the only people in

546
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: my circle of friends who absolutely does not have any

547
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: interest in Avatar. Like, I don't know what how this happened?

548
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: All my friends love Avatar and go and see that

549
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: shit on opening weekend. I'm like, how did this happen?

550
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Guys? Like, what is this?

551
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: What is I like?

552
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: Avatar? I do like Avatar. I didn't. I have not

553
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: seen the latest one though, so well I didn't.

554
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: Like.

555
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, I said, I sound whiny. I'm trying to not

556
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: to be so whiny on this podcast, like, but it's

557
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: like you, My thing about it is that I just

558
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: have no interest in the story in the world and

559
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: the creatures. And I'm not saying this being that I'm

560
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: this like gen X snob that like doesn't like joy

561
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: and fantasy and imaginary worlds. I'm just like, but now

562
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: we've taken it way too far. I saw the first

563
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: Avatar in the movie Theory and i'max in fact yeah,

564
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, I've seen it all. I've

565
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: seen enough. Now there's TV shows, there's extra movies, there's

566
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: like costumes, there's people like everybody's cosplay is these people

567
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: at dragon call On and things of this nature. And

568
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, and my friends are all in and I'm like,

569
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 2: when did this happen?

570
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: What is it about it? What is it about that

571
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: you love? It really is an immersive experience. It's like

572
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: an immersive world. It's like going to an IMAX movie,

573
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, where like IMAX three D movie where like

574
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: the Jellyfish is like floating right in front of your face.

575
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: So it is, and it is kind of meditative, especially

576
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: the last one. There's just like there's like a forty

577
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: five minute sequence of them, just like swimming through the water.

578
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: So there is sort of a experimental quality to these

579
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: hugely big budget movies, which I sort of find enticing.

580
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: But there's not. It's kind of the same story over

581
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: and over again. And I like James Cameron as a filmmaker,

582
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of like, James, can we get off

583
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: this please? We don't need another one.

584
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: But I don't know it's giving, like it's giving I

585
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: don't know, like early nineties like environmental awareness, Like it's

586
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: just very I don't know. Maybe if it was like

587
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: more of a darker Guermo del Toro type of world,

588
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: I would be all in.

589
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: But I just don't like.

590
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: I don't like the the quote unquote costumes, I suppose,

591
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: and I think that's fair.

592
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: I think that's fair because it is sort of a

593
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: tacky It almost feels like a Lisa Frank folder. Yes

594
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: that is.

595
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: You perfectly described it, Okay, Like I'm like there's fucking

596
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: unicorns and cougar spots all over the place.

597
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like this. This is very not

598
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: my vibe. Yeah.

599
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: Anyway, having said all that, that was really one of

600
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Speaker 2: the weirdest things that.

601
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: Popped up to me.

602
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: And no disrespect, honestly, no disrespect to Deborah L. Scott,

603
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: who was the costume designer for Avatar.

604
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: Fire and Ash. I just was like, Oh, that's.

605
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: Weird, isn't that people walking around of those ballsuits, Like, yeah.

606
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: In front of a green screen. I don't know, have

607
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: you ever seen Holy Motors? Yeah, the Leon Karraks movie, right, Yeah,

608
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: there's a mocap like sex scene in that movie, and

609
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: I think about that every time I think about mocap. Oh,

610
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: it's Leo's Kracs and I say Leon. Oops, sorry, that's

611
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: not a real name anyway. Uh, it's like a pseudonym.

612
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: I think for me. One of those stranger nominations. I

613
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: was surprised that F One got nominated for Best Picture

614
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, I feel like it kind of beat out

615
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Weapons for Best Picture nominee. So that I just I

616
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: feel like I have not heard anyone say anything about

617
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: F One. It's like an Apple TV movie. I just

618
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: think that's sort of strange. Yeah, well, I mean they

619
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: always but they always have.

620
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: I feel like when it comes to these, you know,

621
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: Best Picture categories, I feel like they're trying to cover

622
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: a spread, right. I mean, obviously you've got like how

623
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: many eight, ten, ten nominees?

624
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: Right?

625
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: Wait, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine ten. Yeah,

626
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: you have like ten nominees, and I feel like you

627
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: gotta throw it around a little bit, you know, do

628
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: the more experimental stuff, do like, you know, maybe the

629
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: genre things, but then also do like your standard.

630
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: Boomer guy sports or sports.

631
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: It's jacent movie Jerry Brook Himery thing right, Like, I

632
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: did not hear about F one very much either, and

633
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: gotta tell you and just like Avatar, I'm not interested

634
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: in F one from a world perspective.

635
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Here's my problem with F one. It's two and a

636
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: half hours long. I mean everything movie, like every movie,

637
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: every insane movie. Uh was there any? Were there any

638
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: trends this year? You noticed with the nominees the types

639
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: of movies that were nominated this year. Well, I mean,

640
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: I think obviously.

641
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: The one movie and I feel like this is the

642
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: movie to be is one battle after another, which is

643
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: extremely timely and top of all, and I feel like,

644
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, to me that is probably gonna win something,

645
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: and that I think that's a trend is we're probably

646
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: gonna see more.

647
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: I mean, Sinners obviously has its own politics.

648
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I don't know.

649
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: What do you think? Well, I think I sort of

650
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: my theory of how it's gonna go this year is

651
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: one battle after another is gonna win everything. Like I

652
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: feel like it's gonna win Best Picture, Best Director. I

653
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: think Leonardo DiCaprio is gonna win Best Actor. I think,

654
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, I do think Sean Penn will probably win

655
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: as well, but Bonicio, but I just feel like there

656
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: was a there's a lot of heat for Sean Penn

657
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: and Best Supporting Actor. So I feel like one battle

658
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: after another is gonna win big in that way because

659
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't feel like Paul Thomas Anderson has he ever

660
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: won an Academy Award, So I think I think the

661
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: Academy really wants to give it to him, you know, yeah,

662
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean he's been nominated a lot, but he never wins.

663
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, it's never won.

664
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: So he was nominated for Best Director for There Will

665
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: Be Blood, for Phantom, Thread, for Licorice Pizza. That's interesting,

666
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: but he never wins. And that's the thing is that

667
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: I feel like he's probably due, right, Yeah, and he

668
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: made his big movie with Warner Brothers, so that's it.

669
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't have made a more timely movie.

670
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the Oscars is gonna come like is going

671
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: to play when we're like under military occupation by Ice

672
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: and it's like that happened. That's like happening in the movie.

673
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: It's like crazy how timely.

674
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: It is, right, And that's that's why I feel like

675
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: it becomes the movie to be because it's like, you

676
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: really can't get more. I mean, if you want to

677
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: make the argument about Crash, which is not the David

678
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: Cronenberg Crash, but the other Crash and Green Book and

679
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: all these other movies that have come along during the

680
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: Oscars that felt very like tough and part of the

681
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: conversation about something current or whatever.

682
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: This is it. That's this is the movie and it

683
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: ends up being.

684
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: A good movie, a good movie, right, So it's like,

685
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: you know, we got that going for it.

686
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like I think we mentioned this in

687
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: an early episode or you did that. I could see

688
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: Sinners losing big just because it feels like one battle

689
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: is gonna do some damage, you know.

690
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like there's been I mean, like,

691
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: to me, I loved Sinners.

692
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: I thought it was so fun when I saw it,

693
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: loved it.

694
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: I was surprised, I think that I had gotten nominated

695
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: so much because it feels like, again, the Academy doesn't

696
00:39:53,120 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: really support genre of pictures unless they're very artsy, you know,

697
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: unless it is like, you know, like a sort of

698
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: Guillero mold Toro or Robert egger Zy type of feeling,

699
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: even though Robert Eggers doesn't really win at these things either.

700
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like it's weird. It's almost kind of

701
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: like they say, okay, well you could make like a

702
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: vampire movie, but it has to be like historical and

703
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: serious and not a fun romp with a lot of

704
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: like cunneling as jokes. And so that's I think why

705
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: I was shocked that Sinners had gotten nominated as much.

706
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: And I think it's not again, nothing to do with

707
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: Ryan Coogler, nothing to do with anybody involved with the movie.

708
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: It's really just the snobbery.

709
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: Of you know, yeah, I think that, and I'm not

710
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: I am not comparing these movies quality wise or like

711
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: topical wise, but I think it's a little bit similar

712
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: to the Barbie movie, yeah, in that it was a

713
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: huge theater going experience, because I feel like Sinners was

714
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: like the movie to see in theaters this year. It

715
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: was like the cinematic movie that like lots of people

716
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: were excited about. And I feel like Barbie was similar,

717
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: and Barbie got nominated for a bunch of stuff, and

718
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it won anything, right, you know, So

719
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: I just feel like, and I that's kind of a

720
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: genre e movie too, So I feel like, yeah, it

721
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: could have sort of a similar trajectory as Barbie.

722
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: Well, like, let's talk about Weapons then, because yeah, Weapons

723
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: is the other movie that I'm kind of like, why

724
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: was this nominated? And it was nominated for Amy Madikin

725
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 2: was nominated for Actress in a Supporting Role. Now, part

726
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: of me believes that you just, again, in the interest

727
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: of covering a spread, you had to have an older

728
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: actress in there, right, And she was great in Weapons.

729
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: She was scary as shit.

730
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: But you know, if you look at everybody else that

731
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: was nominated, Elle Fanning, you know, Teanna Taylor, et cetera,

732
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: these are all like younger people and maybe they needed

733
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: somebody in there that was a little bit older and

734
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: more established and kind of like a you know, like

735
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: an Oscary type of actions nominee. I feel like that's

736
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: why Weapons was even in the conversation, because that's another

737
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: movie that, again, like Sinners, was like, it's a very

738
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: heavy genre movie. I'm surprised it got nominated because of that.

739
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but people really loved that movie. And I do

740
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: think that recently, you know, we were talking about genre

741
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: movies getting nominated. That's in a very recent trend. So

742
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: I guess I thought it's just been happening more. I

743
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: guess I thought it would get nominated for more than

744
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: just supporting actress. But like historically, it's weird that this

745
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: got nominated. Yeah, that's what I mean.

746
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: Because I don't think listen, I mean I think that

747
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: there is there is sort of now feels a little

748
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: bit like the oscars are responding to box office trends.

749
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: Let's get serious. A lot of times, they don't give

750
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: a shit about that. In the past, they've never cared

751
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: about a movie being super duper popular. Otherwise we would

752
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: have a completely different history of films that have been nominated.

753
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: You know, if you look at Historically who the Oscars

754
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: have nominated, it's always the artseer films and the smaller films.

755
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: So it's kind of that thing where I'm like, Okay,

756
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: well maybe they're bridging the gap a little bit.

757
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: Obviously they have opened up.

758
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: The the pool of people who are now Oscar voters,

759
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: and so yeah, maybe that's part of it.

760
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think for the supporting actress category, I

761
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: think either Tiana Taylor or Emmy Amy Madigan of Weapons

762
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: will win. I mean, Gladys from Weapons was like such

763
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: a huge it was so on people's minds and she

764
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: was so celebrated for that role. I feel like she

765
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: could win. But Tianna Taylor is so great and if

766
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of heat for one battle after another,

767
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: I could see her winning that well.

768
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: And like, get if you want to get serious, the

769
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: actresses in a leading role, aren't they all white?

770
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, there you go, so very interesting. Yeah, though,

771
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: actresses in a leading role, I'm like less invested this

772
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: year than I have been in a long time, I

773
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: would say. And it's interesting that Reynat Rainsva was for

774
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: sentimental value, was nominated for in a leading role because

775
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: her character she is I guess the lead actress in

776
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: the movie, but she kind of disappears for a huge

777
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: chunk of that movie too, so it's kind of interesting.

778
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: And conversely, still in Scarsguard was nominated for Actor in

779
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: a Supporting Role. I would argue he's the lead person

780
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: in sentimental value. It's just interesting. I'd like these categories

781
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: are all fucked up.

782
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 2: They're also fucking crazy. Oh no, I'm yeah. I mean again,

783
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: I think that like, in the interest of covering a

784
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: spread and not having it be so one sided, they're

785
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: gonna have to, you know, spread this around a little bit.

786
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean they don't have to.

787
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: There's certainly been years where they didn't give a shit

788
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: about anything, and they're like, we're just gonna give it

789
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: all to.

790
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: Whoever.

791
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: Meryl Streep, but I don't know. It feels like maybe

792
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: the inclusion of the genre films or the more genre

793
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: leaning films is primarily to just modernize themselves in a way.

794
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: I think one trend I've noticed with a lot of

795
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: the best picture movies too, Children in Peril. Yeah, sure, true,

796
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: which makes this difficult for me to watch these movies.

797
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: Do you think Marty Supreme would would be part of that, how.

798
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: Old is Marty our twelve year old lead? He's a

799
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: child who's in peril of Did I not? Did you

800
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: not think that? When you want? Okay, two things about

801
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: Marty Supreme? Number one, I thought that Marty Supreme was young.

802
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, like what? And I don't know if it's

803
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: because Timothy reads so young. He looked younger having a

804
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: mustache than he does without a mustache. Yeah, he looks

805
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: like the little baby and Adams Family Values who has

806
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: the little mustache on it.

807
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: To me, he kind of looked like a little kid

808
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: running around in like like a Bronx tale. It's like,

809
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: I go to high school with what's his name? The

810
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: kid from a Bronx Tale. But it's like, yeah, you know,

811
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: I was. It looks like he's in our gang with

812
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: a drawn on mustache. That's like put his pants at

813
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: his real waist and then put a white undershirt under.

814
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: It's like, come on, it looks like he's fifteen at best.

815
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: And also, something that does not sit right with me

816
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: about Mari Supreme and is what I feel shouldn't should

817
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: have been.

818
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: This is why it should have been snubbed.

819
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: Is that they don't tell you what happens with that

820
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: damn dog? And I cannot abide by that in twenty

821
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: twenty six. You cannot leave a dog death open ended

822
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: like that.

823
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: You know the Safties have a bad dog record.

824
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 3: Yeap.

825
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

826
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: Tell it, tell it, let's go, because that's the thing,

827
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: is that not not this economy. People care way too

828
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: much about their pets. You can't be doing this all

829
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: willy nilly anymore.

830
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: And I feel like.

831
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: That dog in Marty Supreme was left completely out, like

832
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: running through the street. We don't know if that dog

833
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 2: ever makes it back to Abel for our I don't

834
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: like the idea that it was in peril and it's

835
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: just like it never had a resolution. Did it get adopted,

836
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: did it die on the streets? I don't like it.

837
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: And I feel like the Savdies have a responsibility to

838
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: shore up that storyline and they didn't take it.

839
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: And I see protests, protests. I know one problem that

840
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: my mom had with the movie, former guests of the show,

841
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: former blesser of our podcast. She didn't She's a big

842
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: Gwyneth fan and she was like, Gwyneth would never have

843
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: gotten with this. I okay, this.

844
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: Is again your mom and I align on what we

845
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: believe is unrealistic men in film.

846
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. I forgot her area of expertise was

847
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: men who are too old. Wasn't it something like that

848
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: when you are too old to beginning with these young women.

849
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: Yes, your mom and I. This is why she and

850
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: I are starting chicks Picks the podcast. But I so

851
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: agree with this, and I mentioned this in the episode

852
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: that we talked about Martin Supreme.

853
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't know when that was, it was a while back.

854
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: But like, there's no way he's banging her out in

855
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: the hotel, in the shower or whatever.

856
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it's just not possible.

857
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: He looks like he's fifteen, she looks like she's my age, obviously,

858
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: and the idea that he is like wooing her is

859
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: unrealistic to me, even in the context of say somebody

860
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: that's like, you know, let's present a cougar or a.

861
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: What did you call what you call it? A milf? Yeah,

862
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: but like the.

863
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: Remember I was horrified Tadpole, the Tadpole scenario.

864
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: I don't like it, and so she and I.

865
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear her say that because I didn't

866
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: believe it either.

867
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: Gross are there any movies you're rooting for? Like you're like,

868
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: because I remember when Parasite won. I was in a

869
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: room of people and we went yes, and that was fun.

870
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: Is there any that would have you cheer if they won? Well, okay,

871
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: let's see who do I like? Who do I like it?

872
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: Here? I mean, I definitely listen. I loved one battle

873
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: after another. Not gonna lie, listen.

874
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Sean Penn fan as a person,

875
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: But did you see this stuff about him smoking? How

876
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: he was smoking during an interview and he's like, I've

877
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 1: decided I'm going to smoke the rest of my life.

878
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: Oh god, It's like that's what David Lynch did. He's

879
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: just like, fuck it, Like I'm just gonna.

880
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 1: And he was like, he was like, you know what

881
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: if I don't smoke, I get stressed out and stress

882
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: will kill you faster than cigarettes. And the person's like,

883
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: do you think that's true? And he's like, I hope,

884
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: so listen, I think that this. I'm not joking, Casey.

885
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: I have had a thought like that recently in the past,

886
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, say November, but like you know, ever

887
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: since we had an election and rehired the same dumbass

888
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: Yes I have. I think me and a lot of

889
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: people who used to smoke are now like should we

890
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: go back to this? Because anytime I'm on TikTok, I

891
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: see I see pro cigarette propaganda all over the place,

892
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: nobody's really saying.

893
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: Anything about it.

894
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean, people will be like, don't smoke, it's bad

895
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: for you. And I do believe that don't smoke it's

896
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: bad for you. But also people were like, yo, the

897
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: world sucks so bad. Yeah, might as well like no

898
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: one's caring, no one's caring. And I feel like I've

899
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: had that moment too, the Sean Penn moment where I

900
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: was like, all right, let me sit myself down here

901
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: and be like, am I just gonna start this again

902
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: and just keep going?

903
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's one of those things where you kind of

904
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: do the calculations. You're like, how much longer am I

905
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: going to live? Yeah? And if I start smoking right now,

906
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: how much is gonna get cut short of that amount?

907
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: And is thirty years of smoking bliss better than forty

908
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: five years left of non smoking?

909
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: Hell?

910
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 1: You got to weigh those options, you know.

911
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: Well, and like, this is what happens anytime I decide

912
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: to dip back in when I'm like tipsy at a bar,

913
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: or if I'm on vacation or something like that, I'm

914
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: out with people and I just get the wild hair

915
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: to do it. You have the incredible cigarette where you're

916
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: basically like, oh my god, I love smoking. But then

917
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: if you keep going like say, you just like, I'm

918
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: gonna buypack and just smoke them this week, they're not.

919
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: They're never as good, you know. The then you're just

920
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: like back on the train, and I feel like that

921
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: isn't as fun as the Rando cigarettes.

922
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Well, I feel like

923
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: there's so many cigarettes in a pack. You're like, I

924
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: actually feel worse, and I feel like, shit, yeah, you know,

925
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: there's like I would say, honestly, the majority of them

926
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: are like that, even if you're smoking a lot, you know. Yeah.

927
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the problem, though, is that cigarettes

928
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: are so addictive that you can't just have the one

929
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: or three or five incredible cigarettes. They make your They make.

930
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: You believe that you need all of them, even the ones.

931
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: That arenest fun and arnest, the ones that you're like,

932
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm depressed and I'm on a curb outside of a

933
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: floor and decor because I'm addicted.

934
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joan Didion did I mention this on the podcast already.

935
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: She's like, Joan Didion was like, I will smoke for

936
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: the rest of my life, but I only smoke five

937
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: cigarettes a day, no more and no less. No, you

938
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: have to smoke five a day, no less. She's like,

939
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: She's like, five cigarettes a day won't kill you. And

940
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if that's actually true, but

941
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: that's what her that was her thinking. Anyways, we have gone,

942
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: We've gone off the rails here. You're rooting for one

943
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: battle after another. I am too. Yeah, I'm rooting for

944
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: one battle. I listen.

945
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: I'm I love Ryan Cookler. It would be nice to

946
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: have a little bit of.

947
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: That peppered in there. Give him, give him a screen Yeah,

948
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: Academy Award. I feel like the Screenplay Award is the

949
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: award that the Academy Awards are like, Okay, you're not

950
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna win any of the big stuff, but we like

951
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: what you did here you go. You know, it's kind

952
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: of a it's like the New It's like the New

953
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Talent Awards.

954
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes, if I, if I have, if I have to

955
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: make the Sophie's choice between Benizio and Sean and the

956
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: actor and a supporting.

957
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: I gotta go Benicio, come on, yeah, got to. Sean

958
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: is very good in that though, I mean.

959
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 2: He is devastatingly accurate, Like where I'm like, he played

960
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: the fucking dude that was in Minnesota.

961
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Boveno, I was thinking of Sean ben Benn's character

962
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: the whole time. I'm like, this is that fucking idiot? Yeah?

963
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I definitely think that sentimental vent. I like,

964
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 2: I like Joe kiem Trier obviously, if something happened good

965
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: happened for him.

966
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah great, I love what he's doing.

967
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also I mean, listen, I got root for

968
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: that K Pop demon Hunter sorry, just got to. Yeah,

969
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: put K Pop on the Oscar stage.

970
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: Are they performing? I don't know, but they're up for

971
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: Best Animated, which it feels like they can easily win that.

972
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: But absolutely I was at a super Bowl party and

973
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: they played K Pop Demon Hunter music during Olympic promos,

974
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of kids. There were a

975
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: lot of kids at this party, and every time one

976
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: of those promos came on, they'd be like ah and

977
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: start screaming and dancing the songs I mean it's powerful. Yeah,

978
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I mean.

979
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: I only like it, like if I want to get

980
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 2: real with myself, I only really like one or two

981
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: of the songs. I love Soda Pop by Sasha Boys.

982
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 2: I love that song, and I also love the love

983
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 2: song the Ruby and Genu who love song Free where

984
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: they're on the rooftop and it's like we can't fix

985
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: it if we never face it. That's a beautiful song.

986
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. I kind of hope the documentary Come See Me

987
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: in the Good Light wins. I have not seen this movie,

988
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: but it is produced by tig Natarah. It'd be fun

989
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: to see her up there.

990
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: Although the Alabama solution very powerful stuff.

991
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: Okay, but I don't know.

992
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: I mean I'm trying to see I mean, like again,

993
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: like I I got faves. Sure, uh oh, let's talk

994
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: about this because I I feel like we had a

995
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: really obvious snub this year.

996
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: Well kind of shocking to me.

997
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I don't know if you've heard about this. Well,

998
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: basically no other choice. The park ch haind Wuk movie

999
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: that we discussed a couple episodes ago was not nominated

1000
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: for an Oscar, not even for the Best International Picture,

1001
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: surprising and this movie I feel like has just some

1002
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: just the right amount of social commentary, and quite honestly,

1003
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: like Lee Byung hun, who's the star of No Other Choice,

1004
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: is pretty famous in America. I mean he was, Yeah,

1005
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: everybody knows Squid Game, everybody knows him as Heema and

1006
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: kpop demon Hunter. So it's kind of that thing where

1007
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, that felt like an obvious snub. Now I've

1008
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: heard that there's a reason why tell us, which is

1009
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: that Park Chan wook is banned. He's banned from the

1010
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: Writers WA Yeah, for working during the strike.

1011
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And it was a bit of a gray area,

1012
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: I believe in that he was working during the strike,

1013
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: which he was allowed to like edit, I believe, but

1014
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: he changed inged storylines through editing or something like that.

1015
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: It constituted like a script change, and so he got

1016
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: booted from the WGA. Now I get it. I don't

1017
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: like scabs, you know what I mean.

1018
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: Don't want to cross the picket line obviously, but it's

1019
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: interesting that I don't know if you saw the most

1020
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: recent article that came out about how me on, the

1021
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: production company that put out No Other Choice put a

1022
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 2: humongous billboard in Hollywood that was essentially a still from

1023
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: the film and it said f your consideration a snub

1024
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: above the rest.

1025
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that's good, right, clever.

1026
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then it's like you find out why and

1027
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, yeah.

1028
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: I get it.

1029
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: But also, yeah, there's a little he in tends that

1030
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: he did the scripts were all done before the strike,

1031
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: but he's just not fighting it. So yeah, I don't know. Well,

1032
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: still a snub. Nonetheless, it was a snob and Neon

1033
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: obviously made it.

1034
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: No, and there was a snub, but yeah, that to me,

1035
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, that could have been the new I

1036
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: think that if he had, if he didn't have that

1037
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: controversy surrounding him, I think it could have been nominated

1038
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: a lot more, not outside of international film.

1039
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well, is there anything else you wanted

1040
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: to cover it with the Oscars?

1041
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: Millie, Well, what do you think is going to happen

1042
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: this year? You think that people are going to be,

1043
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: you know, sounding off on the.

1044
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they will, and I think they should

1045
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: speak out about ice and Trump and stuff. But it's

1046
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: also like these are like the biggest libs in the world,

1047
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: and so if they say something out the Oscars, it's

1048
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: almost like me saying something in my living room. I

1049
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: feel like it's just kind of like, what is that

1050
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: I think people. I want people to speak up because

1051
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: they have a platform to do so. I really do

1052
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: think it does work good, but it's just I feel

1053
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: like it can fall on deaf ears a little bit. So,

1054
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: But I think I hope people go off in a

1055
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: big way.

1056
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: Preaching to the converted type of thing. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1057
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean, especially if like Paul Thomas Anderson wins and

1058
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: he's like, my movie's about this, like it's happening, you know.

1059
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, it would be nice to have that.

1060
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, you just know somebody's gonna say something.

1061
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope it's someone, you know, cause if it's

1062
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: like right, you know, I don't know why he would

1063
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: be making any sort of speech. But if it's an

1064
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: actor that gets up there and it's like Robert de Niro,

1065
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: it's like everyone knows he's like super he's gonna he

1066
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: speaks out on stuff all the time, it doesn't mean

1067
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: as much. I hope there's someone like you're not expecting

1068
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: to say something, does yes, you know, Yeah, I really

1069
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: hope that, you know.

1070
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: Kate Hudson gets on stage and is like, Pam Bondie,

1071
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 2: meet me outside, bitch. Yeah, catch these hands, bitch, bitch. Uh.

1072
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to watch, and I'm going to eat

1073
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: some nacho cheese, probably eat some chicken wings while I watch.

1074
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: It'll be a great time. That seems very appropriate. Yeah,

1075
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on to our chat with my

1076
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: new friend Paul Rust. All Right, everybody, we're back with

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Speaker 1: another installment of my area of expertise and we have

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Speaker 1: comedian co host of with Gorleyan Rust, Paul Rust is

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Speaker 1: joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Hi Paul, Hi Casey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're we are you are you have blessed our podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're so thrilled to have you now. Paul, you know,

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Speaker 1: our show is all about kind of like movie fandom

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Speaker 1: and being a fan of film and how it kind

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Speaker 1: of like is a part of our lives. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know you've talked about this on other podcasts, but like,

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Speaker 1: can you kind of talk about like where your film

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Speaker 1: fandom started? Do you remember is there an inciting movie

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Speaker 1: that kind of set you on the course towards being

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Speaker 1: a film fan?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Of course, yeah, No, I mean I am a

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Speaker 3: movie lover and yeah, grew up in Iowa, So my

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Speaker 3: source of like watching stuff in my when I was

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Speaker 3: growing up was like, you know, video rentals and cable

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Speaker 3: was kind of like the me along with the theatrical

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Speaker 3: exhibition experience as well.

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Speaker 1: Where was the closest theater to you cause you're from

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Speaker 1: iowas at correct, Yeah, okay, where was the How far

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Speaker 1: away was the closest theater?

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Speaker 3: Well, we had a pretty awesome theater just downtown on

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Speaker 3: the main street that was like walkable. But then you know,

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Speaker 3: Sioux City was about a thirty minute drive and they

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Speaker 3: had the multiplex that was like the scene. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's funny. When I was growing up, you'd hear like

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Speaker 3: legendary filmmakers like Martin Scorsese and Steven Spielberg who were

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Speaker 3: like their hearts were breaking that It's like, oh, they're

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Speaker 3: all multiplexes or movie fans, you know, they're like, it's multiplexes.

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Speaker 3: They used to be these grand theaters and now you're in,

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Speaker 3: you know, a place with eighteen screens and paper thin walls.

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Speaker 3: But it was so funny because I was experiencing that

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Speaker 3: at the time. It'd be like, no, it rules, yeah,

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Speaker 3: movies played in one place. This is awesome.

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Speaker 1: I know. I mean it's like how lucky we had

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Speaker 1: it back then, where it's like our biggest compliance was

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Speaker 1: that we had multiplay. We had like too many movie

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Speaker 1: theaters in one location.

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Speaker 3: That's really yes, too many movies us to play every weekend?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, oh my god. So yeah, like what so

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Speaker 1: you kind of started with like video rentals and cable television.

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Speaker 1: Is there like a move like your earliest kind of

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Speaker 1: like film obsession?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I remember I have two older sisters, four

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Speaker 3: years older than me and seven years older than me.

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Speaker 3: And one night at dinner, my parents said, hey, after

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Speaker 3: dinner we were eating at the house. They were like,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna all get in the car and go out,

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Speaker 3: and we're like, where are we going. They're like, We're

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Speaker 3: gonna take you out in the middle of nowhere and

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Speaker 3: leave you in a ditch. Who did like fud little

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Speaker 3: breaks like that. I guess I'm looking over at my

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Speaker 3: sisters to see if like this is real, because you know,

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Speaker 3: they're older than me. They might be, and even then

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Speaker 3: I'm not able to like desert, you know, I would

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Speaker 3: have been probably like five maybe. Then we hop in

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Speaker 3: the car and we start going out in the middle

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Speaker 3: of nowhere and I'm seeing a lot of ditches. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then we take a hard right and we go

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Speaker 3: into a drive in movie theater that's playing Greblins.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, did they really say that to you

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Speaker 1: as like a five year old child.

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Speaker 3: There's some sort of way I've noticed, and you mentioned

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Speaker 3: you live in Minnesota. There's a stretch in Iowa and

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Speaker 3: Missouri of this like sort of form of humor that's

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Speaker 3: like straight faced insanity, Like it said so dryly. You're like,

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Speaker 3: You're like, this can't be real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And then the joke's on you if you go like

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Speaker 3: for real, like no, of course not, We're going to

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Speaker 3: leave you with a ditch. You know.

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Speaker 1: I remember I was visiting because I I only kind

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Speaker 1: of recently moved back to Minneapolis. I lived in LA

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Speaker 1: for seventeen years. But the we were at some sort

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Speaker 1: of like picnic and miss like high school friend of

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Speaker 1: mine was meeting my daughter for the first time. It

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Speaker 1: was like a baby and he like turned to us

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Speaker 1: and he was like, that's weird. Your baby looks a

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Speaker 1: lot like the Milkman. And I was like, ah, yes, ah,

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Speaker 1: you're saying the Milkman fathered my but it was like

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Speaker 1: it was like so straight faced, and like I was like,

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Speaker 1: are we having this is like not fun humor. So

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Speaker 1: I know that kind of like straight faced insanity that

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Speaker 1: you're talking is so the area of expertise that you

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Speaker 1: brought to us, You said, John Hughes movies. When did

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Speaker 1: that sort of become a part of your life? What

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Speaker 1: was the first John Hughes movie you saw?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a good question. I think it was probably

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Speaker 3: either Sixteen Candles or Faires Bueller. But I had, yeah, like,

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Speaker 3: as I mentioned, two older sisters, and so they were

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Speaker 3: renting John Hughes movies. You know, maybe if I had

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Speaker 3: two older brothers, it would have been like Commando and

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Speaker 3: blood Sport. But I love them. I mean, they're there.

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Speaker 3: They were so funny, and you know what. My experience

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Speaker 3: of my first touch with a John Hughes movie was

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Speaker 3: at that theater downtown on the Main Street. It was

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Speaker 3: two screens, and I went to Karate Kid Part two.

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Speaker 3: And that's my first like memory of sitting in a

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Speaker 3: theater looking at a screen, realizing there's images coming at me,

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Speaker 3: you know. And then we stepped out into the lobby

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Speaker 3: and it was crowded. We couldn't get through, so they said,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have to go through the exit doors in

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Speaker 3: the back of the theater and they spit us out

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Speaker 3: into this back alley. And the other movie that was

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Speaker 3: played was Ferris Bueller's Day Off and it was such

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Speaker 3: a hot ticket. Wow do you imagine just sums.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god. And so what about like John,

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Speaker 1: you know, how did it become your area of expertise?

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Speaker 1: How did you stay Was there a time where you

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Speaker 1: kind of like were like, oh my god, the same

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Speaker 1: guy is making all these movies that I loved. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember kind of making that connection or like how

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Speaker 1: did that kind of come about?

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Speaker 3: You know what? I remember seeing his logo at the

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Speaker 3: end of like Strengths and Automobiles that was like a

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Speaker 3: star and it said Hughes underneath. And then once you

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Speaker 3: see that, you're sort of like the name Hughes has

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Speaker 3: been emblazoned in my mind. And but I remember, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean seeing those and I think the first time

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Speaker 3: that I remember really hooking into like what he was

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Speaker 3: was probably you know, I'd seen a few of his movies,

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Speaker 3: but we rented Uncle Buck. Yes, and there's a scene

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Speaker 3: where Uncle Buck is like going to talk to the

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Speaker 3: principal and he's seated next to like a second grader

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Speaker 3: boy and he's supposed to go into the office next

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Speaker 3: and uncle Buck it's like a funny bow where he's like,

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Speaker 3: do you want me to go in first? You need

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Speaker 3: some time or so? And I remember seeing that and thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 3: some kids who aren't bad kids end up in a

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Speaker 3: situation where they're in a principal's office they have to

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Speaker 3: go see the principle. That's not usually what I see.

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Speaker 3: I usually see like the kids who were like raising hell,

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Speaker 3: like of course they go to the principal's office. So

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Speaker 3: I was like, there's I didn't have the word empathy,

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Speaker 3: but I was like, there's empathy there for whatever that

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Speaker 3: kid is in. And then seeing a grown up in

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Speaker 3: the scene say do you need some more time? I

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Speaker 3: was like, there's empathy. Whatever word I could not have empathy,

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Speaker 3: and then making the final step of being like and

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Speaker 3: somebody who wrote this had to have been a grown up. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I like that idea that a grown up is saying

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Speaker 3: all of this is okay, which is you know, it's

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Speaker 3: like it is John Hughes Movies it's just yeah, no.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's sort of his like superpower, especially

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Speaker 1: with like the more teen movies, is that there is

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Speaker 1: this like grown man who empathizes with how difficult it

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Speaker 1: is to be a kid, and like, you know, even

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Speaker 1: like the Home Alone movies, it's like, it's hard being

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Speaker 1: a little kid, it's hard being a teenager. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think that you really saw that in a lot

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Speaker 1: of movies before his movie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and when you experience them as a kid

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Speaker 3: watching Home Alone or as a teen watching The Breakfast Club,

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Speaker 3: it sort of watches over you in a way that's

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Speaker 3: sort of like, well, of course these are the feelings

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Speaker 3: I have. This is you know, all self of it,

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Speaker 3: and then when you rewatch them as you get older,

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Speaker 3: you're sort of like knocked out by like, oh no,

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Speaker 3: he was older, and abe I can't retain these like

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Speaker 3: experiences as well as whatever he's doing. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: like that line in Home Alone where he says something like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you got to be careful about rumors that get out

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Speaker 3: of school. There was a kid who wore dinosaur pajamas

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Speaker 3: and they never could live it down. And when I

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Speaker 3: heard that in third grade or whatever, I saw it,

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, dinosaur pajamas are lame,

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Speaker 3: and you could get like, uh, but then yeah, the

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Speaker 3: thought of like a guy who has like had kids

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Speaker 3: and probably was just like, oh, I listened to my

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Speaker 3: kids conversations and dinosaur pajamas are lame.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember watching Breakfast Club in high

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Speaker 1: school and because like I feel like, when I was

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Speaker 1: in high school, I was like, Oh, there are the

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Speaker 1: jocks and they're the nerds, and there is a there

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Speaker 1: is a division between them, and you can never there

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Speaker 1: is no nuance to that whatsoever. And I remember watching

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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club and being like, Wow, maybe the jocks have

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Speaker 1: like interpersonal lives that I'm not aware of, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so it was sort of sort of funny looking

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Speaker 1: back on that, being like, as a teenager, I was

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Speaker 1: being taught about other teenagers by a grown Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's sort of funny.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Millie, I thought you were even were you gonna saying?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm trying, And I'm like, I'm trying to like

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Speaker 2: pace myself because I have so much to say about that,

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Speaker 2: specifically with John Hughes always. I grew up watching them too,

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Speaker 2: and I informed like his movie is informed of like

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Speaker 2: all of my thoughts about what it would be like

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Speaker 2: to be a teenager, because I was like, I think

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Speaker 2: we're probably Paul, You and I are probably around the

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Speaker 2: same age. And I remember being like elementary going into

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Speaker 2: middle school age during the John Hughes era of the

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Speaker 2: you know, mid mostly the mid to like late eighties seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I would see kids in on the bus or

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Speaker 2: in my neighborhood that looked like, you know, Molly Ringwold

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Speaker 2: and Anthony Michael Hall, and I just worshiped them because

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Speaker 2: I had watched all these John Hughes movies and was like,

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Speaker 2: they're the coolest people because they like music and they

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Speaker 2: dress school and everything. And I totally think that my

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Speaker 2: vision of what I thought it was gonna be like

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Speaker 2: to be in high school was informed by this notion

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Speaker 2: that Casey just said was there's jocks and there's nerds,

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Speaker 2: and it's like you don't really fuck with the jocks

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Speaker 2: because they're rich. And that was I think the cornerstone

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Speaker 2: of John Hughes movies is class, right, is that like

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be the like James Spader's and they're gonna

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Speaker 2: hang out on you know, this side of the school

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Speaker 2: and go to this mall and they're gonna drive all

1287
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: these fancy cars and have like pop callers and shit.

1288
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna decate people's butts together, right, and then.

1289
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 2: There's gonna be me who are going to be hanging

1290
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 2: out with like Watts and Kentucky and you know, and

1291
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 2: like you know, Molly Ringwold in Pretty in Pink, like

1292
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: just the punk poor kids.

1293
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: Right. And then when I went to high school.

1294
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 2: I think I started high school in like the early nineties,

1295
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 2: Like I think I was like a freshman in like

1296
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 2: ninety two or something, and all of that shit collapsed

1297
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 2: by the time I got to high school. So like

1298
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 2: rich kids liked alternative music, like rich kids liked Nirvana,

1299
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is a betrayal of everything

1300
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: that I was taught about, you know, through John Hughes movies.

1301
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 2: Was that I just was like so thinking that we

1302
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 2: were going to have our little cyber we were going

1303
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: to like spoke cigarettes behind the wall. And then it's

1304
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 2: like now, all of a sudden, the jocks are behind

1305
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: the wall, and I'm like, this is fucked up, Like

1306
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 2: what happened? So I always say though that the John

1307
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 2: hughes universe was the thing that informed me the most

1308
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: of any other influence that I'd ever had.

1309
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 3: I agree, as a kid, it's a universe. It's you know,

1310
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 3: Shermer Illinois. It is a place he created. That's cool though, Millie, Yeah.

1311
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 2: Well, what was like, what was your experience I guess

1312
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: as a kid like like watching these films and then

1313
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: becoming that age at some point like being in the world.

1314
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: Was it like you saw yourself through these characters or

1315
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: was it kind of like, well that was then and

1316
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: this is now, Like what how did you like grow

1317
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 2: into like a young adult knowing that he would have

1318
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 2: this like John Hughesian.

1319
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: Foundation.

1320
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, because I would have seen all of

1321
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 3: his teenage movies by the time I was entering high school,

1322
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: and when I was in high school was when like

1323
01:16:51,960 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 3: he was doing the Dalmatians movie, So by that point, yeah,

1324
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 3: it had fallen definitely. Like the we're speaking to like

1325
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 3: with the class aspect was something that probably was how

1326
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 3: I was viewing those movies. And then when I got

1327
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 3: to school. Yeah, there was not many ways to marginalize

1328
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 3: in my very small town. It was like six thousand,

1329
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 3: seven thousand people my class size was forty three, and

1330
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 3: so there was going to be any marginalization that was

1331
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 3: going on. It was class like that was the thing

1332
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 3: people could most delineate, you know, see the differences. Yeah,

1333
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 3: so that experience like rang true. It is funny though that. Yeah,

1334
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 3: once we entered high school, when the Clinton era, when

1335
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 3: grunge came in, it was like the the final nail

1336
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 3: to the John Hughes universe. It's like, every everybody's dressing

1337
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 3: like Judd Nelson for Breakfast Club. What does it even

1338
01:17:58,280 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 3: matter now?

1339
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 2: It's like, it's so crazy how that turned out in

1340
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: a way.

1341
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,839
Speaker 1: And I but it does. I do, Like I swear,

1342
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: I know that.

1343
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 2: You know, every couple of years there's like some kind

1344
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 2: of critical reappraisal of the John Hughes movies, you know, with.

1345
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:17,879
Speaker 1: Like younger people and stuff.

1346
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 2: But I I mean, I still I can't not watch

1347
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: these films if they're on television, Like every time, you know,

1348
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: I see Breakfast Club or sixteen Candles especially, I mean

1349
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: that movie played on TV so much even in the

1350
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 2: era that it was, you know, after it had gone

1351
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: to cable. But also like all throughout college, all throughout

1352
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: my twenties and thirties, and forties. Like I just have

1353
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:49,520
Speaker 2: seen sixteen Candles edited, so you know, amc on something

1354
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: and I watch it. I watch it all the time,

1355
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 2: and I just can't. I like want to be in

1356
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 2: that world. It feels cozy, it feels it feels no own,

1357
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: it feels like, you know, all of the background characters

1358
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: are so fucking funny.

1359
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 1: Like I love the little brothers.

1360
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,520
Speaker 2: And sisters in John Hughes movies because they're so sassy

1361
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: and funny. Like the little brother in sixteen Kendles is

1362
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 2: a fucking comic genius. Yeah, run Eddie, Like I just

1363
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 2: imagine him listening to heavy metal in his room and

1364
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 2: just being like a little shit with his Cubs Chicago

1365
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: Cubs shirt on.

1366
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 1: I just love that.

1367
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: And so I don't know, it's like as much as

1368
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, you know, like there's issues, and

1369
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: I get it, like movies are are gonna change over

1370
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:41,480
Speaker 2: the course.

1371
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 1: Of history, but it's like I can't.

1372
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: I sit in the world and I'm just like this,

1373
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm a fucking little kid again watching these movies that

1374
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: are appealing to me and are talking about people my age,

1375
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, and I.

1376
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 3: Just exactly, yeah, I agree, Paul.

1377
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: Do you feel like John Hughes has like impacted your

1378
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: own work, Like when you're writing something, do you do

1379
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: you feel like you've put things from his movies into

1380
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: the stuff you've made.

1381
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 3: Hmmm uh, let me think I know that, Like the

1382
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 3: thing I probably most admire about his movies that he's

1383
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 3: able to like and his writing that he's able to

1384
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 3: pull off, and whether that is something I, I mean

1385
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 3: I do aim for. But then you know, not as

1386
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 3: great as John Hughes, but the idea of every one

1387
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 3: of his like things that he writes is like the

1388
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 3: story is simple, Yeah, the premise is very simple, and

1389
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: then what makes it rich, yeah, is the is the characters.

1390
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 3: And you know what Millie was saying too, of like

1391
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 3: even the characters who aren't the main stars, they're all

1392
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 3: dimensional and so kind of like I mean, it's the

1393
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 3: same thing that like Robert Altman before him and Judd

1394
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 3: Apatow after him, sort of like the stories are simple,

1395
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 3: and then the ensemble of characters are the thing that

1396
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 3: you know, make you invested in watching it.

1397
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean I totally see that. In Love.

1398
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like you created like such a

1399
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: world with that show. I loved all the little like

1400
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: characters like your buddies helping you to like make your movie,

1401
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: or who are in your like movie song group. You know,

1402
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: it's like everybody felt very fully rounded in that show.

1403
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: I think you did a great job of like kind

1404
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:48,520
Speaker 1: of creating this very rich universe of characters.

1405
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool. Yeah, Joe and my you know, I

1406
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 3: co created it, thank you. I co created it with

1407
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 3: my wife, Leslie Arpin as well. Yes, And when we

1408
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 3: were talking about high school and sort of how the

1409
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 3: the differences between jock and nerds started sort of falling

1410
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 3: by the wayside.

1411
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1412
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 3: Leslie has a book that she wrote called Deer Diary,

1413
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 3: and she has a really funny part of the book

1414
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 3: that's talking about how the one thing that can bond

1415
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 3: all students, all clicks across every school is that everybody

1416
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:27,839
Speaker 3: likes weed. So true, maybe post just say no, post

1417
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 3: Reagan is maybe when there was more of a that's

1418
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 3: when the yeah, the clicks could start crossing over. There

1419
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 3: was crossover everywhere in the nineties, including clicks. Yeah.

1420
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so true. By the way, I'm huge.

1421
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: I love Leslie. I've been reading her forever. Yeah, and

1422
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:53,520
Speaker 2: that's the best. And that's such a fucking astute observation

1423
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: because I distinctly remember being in high school and like

1424
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: when you were a weed smoker, Like the people that

1425
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: you hang out with are so it is like the

1426
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,759
Speaker 2: craziest group of people.

1427
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: It's like the super preppy.

1428
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 3: Dude who like that's funny.

1429
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 2: You know. It was like we're it like khaki pleated

1430
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 2: khaki pants. And then there's like the guy it loves

1431
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: like snoop Dog, and then there's like you know, like

1432
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: and you're in, and then there's like weird artsy people.

1433
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 3: It's just this like it's all realizing. It's the last

1434
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 3: twenty minutes of the Breakfast Glove.

1435
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: Truly, that's so true. I love that. That's so funny. Paul.

1436
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: You know, you've written a lot, you know, and you've

1437
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: written some movies and John Hughes started as a writer

1438
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: and then kind of moved into directing, and like in Love,

1439
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: you do play a guy who like wants to make

1440
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: a was it like an erotic thriller in that show? Yeah?

1441
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: Is there any part of you that like wants to

1442
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,520
Speaker 1: move into like feature directing.

1443
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I did never be a posed to it.

1444
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 3: I I the experience of getting to work with actors

1445
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 3: I think would be really fun.

1446
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: M hm.

1447
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 3: You know there was sometimes like on the set of Love,

1448
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 3: where you just you're in a scene and you're trying

1449
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 3: to and I would never it would never be unprompted

1450
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 3: or unasked for, but an actor and the sea might

1451
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 3: ask like, hey, how would this be played? And if

1452
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 3: I gave a thought, I did feel like, oh, I

1453
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 3: have an act for that. So the idea of working

1454
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 3: with actors is the thing that like, uh, that would

1455
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 3: be exciting about it? I think, yeah, but uh, let

1456
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 3: me think of the oh you asking that about Johnny

1457
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 3: Hughes though, it's interesting because he, you know, started as

1458
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 3: like a ad man, like yeah, like the character Neil

1459
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 3: Page and plain strains and automobiles. Yeah, he was this

1460
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 3: like Chicago ad guy, and then he moved into as

1461
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 3: a writer in National Lampoon and then movies, and it's

1462
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 3: I won't say it cynically, but there is some sort

1463
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 3: of like ad man understanding an audience as shifting demographics

1464
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,759
Speaker 3: that I feel like is his movies, Like it's so funny.

1465
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 3: He knew that there was this big pool of teenagers

1466
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 3: in the eighties needing a place to go see a

1467
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 3: movie on the weekend and rent something during the week

1468
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 3: or at a sleepover. So he's like pumping out the

1469
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 3: like whatever gen x I guess would have been that.

1470
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 3: But then when this other deep pool, this huge demographic

1471
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 3: of the millennials comes around, Oh, look at this home

1472
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 3: alone is featuring a nine year old. I think there

1473
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 3: was whether he was conscious or not, there was some

1474
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 3: understanding of like an audience and how to write. So

1475
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 3: when he's moving obviously was he moving from admin to

1476
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 3: writer to director. It does feel like it's all kind

1477
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 3: of like part of one career of yeah, how do

1478
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 3: I get how do I use warmth to or whatever

1479
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 3: wit to appeal to people?

1480
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 2: You know.

1481
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: I think he also like the other group that I

1482
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: feel like he like really was like this is an

1483
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: untapped resource is like sad dads or like emotional dads,

1484
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: because it's like we have like Clark Griswold and there's

1485
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: like movies like The Great Outdoors and Mister Mom, Mister Mom,

1486
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: Uncle Buck and like, yeah, what's the other one I'm missing,

1487
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: Like she's having a baby. Like there's just a lot

1488
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: of like dads who are like, you know, dads have

1489
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: feelings too, And it's like I feel like there's like

1490
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: that's like another group that he like went after successfully.

1491
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 3: That's true. I was thinking about that when I was

1492
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 3: looking at all these titles and seeing how many are

1493
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 3: centered around owned dads, and I was thinking, Oh, the

1494
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: thing that like saves them or not saves them whatever,

1495
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 3: is like there's moments where the dad isn't around, and

1496
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 3: that each character gets a scene that's not about dad.

1497
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 3: I was thinking, like it kind of passes the kid's

1498
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 3: version of a Bechdel test of like a scene with

1499
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 3: two kids talk about something that isn't the parent that

1500
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 3: the movie's about, just like talking about And like even

1501
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 3: vacation has like those great moments where it's not about

1502
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 3: and mister Mom, uncle Buck. All the kids get like

1503
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 3: sort of moments to be their own characters, so it

1504
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 3: keeps it from going down fully the dad path. Yeah,

1505
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 3: there's some dimension to other people. But I was also

1506
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 3: thinking to just look at his filmography too, that they're

1507
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 3: both book ended. He only you know, it's crazy he

1508
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 3: only directed eight movies in seven years, And.

1509
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy that it was in such a truncated

1510
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: on a time.

1511
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's an interesting filmmaker to, you know,

1512
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 3: to discuss and think about it and write about just

1513
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 3: for that reason, Like somebody pumping out eight movies in

1514
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 3: seven years and most of them are still, you know,

1515
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 3: movies that people watch. Yeah, but out of those eight movies,

1516
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 3: he only made two where the central character is a woman,

1517
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: and they're the first and last movies. It's like sixteen

1518
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 3: candles in Curly Sue. They're like book at it by,

1519
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 3: Like they're like the all the agency in the movie

1520
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 3: comes from them.

1521
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1522
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 3: I think Molly Ringwall should have played Curly Sue, is

1523
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 3: what it's.

1524
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Said, Oh do some girl, Yes, Yeah, she's playing like

1525
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: a five year old. That's interesting. That's an interesting take.

1526
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: It is like, you know, and he died when he

1527
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: was fifty nine, which feels really young, and you wonder

1528
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: if you would have I don't know if you would

1529
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: have directed anything else. There was still time if he

1530
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: had lived. I mean, it's just sort of a It

1531
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: is just such a fascinating career. There's not really anyone

1532
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: like it.

1533
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, what his future would have been is like particularly

1534
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 3: hard to figure out because whatever his path was wasn't

1535
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 3: one that many writers or filmmakers went on, which is somehow,

1536
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 3: after the success of the first couple. I mean, I

1537
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 3: think after Breakfast Club he was able to build sets

1538
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 3: in a school and film in Illinois and like drive

1539
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 3: five minutes from his house to whatever they were shooting

1540
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,520
Speaker 3: and then getting no notes. I mean whatever, an independent

1541
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,799
Speaker 3: filmmaker who gets like a negative pickup from a studio.

1542
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 3: That's essentially I think what he was getting major studios

1543
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 3: to bank all his independent movies. And then, yeah, the

1544
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 3: fact that he dropped off and never made a movie

1545
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:57,799
Speaker 3: after nineteen ninety one, even though those types of movies

1546
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 3: were you know, he could have slotted into independent movies

1547
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 3: or early AUDI movies of the dramedy, the heartfelt.

1548
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we covered like She's all that on

1549
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 1: this podcast, and it's like that's sort of like a

1550
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: relative of the John Hughes movies, and it's like there

1551
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: was like so many of that type of movie in

1552
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: the late nineties and early two thousands. You think that

1553
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: they would have let him do whatever he wanted.

1554
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, I mean I was in this movie

1555
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 3: I Love You, Beth Cooper. The whole thing was like

1556
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 3: a John Hughes riff. The book that had based on

1557
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 3: is like referencing them, and they were originally I think

1558
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 3: asked we're trying to get the parents to be played

1559
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 3: by Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall. They could have

1560
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 3: worked out, but it would have been like the Wild

1561
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 3: The people they did ended up being awesome though, Cynthia

1562
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 3: Nixon and Alan Ruck.

1563
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's I mean, that's pretty Alan. I mean

1564
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 1: Alan Ruck. He was in Far Now.

1565
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, a funny thing. I remember where Alan rucket I

1566
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 3: hanging out and he found out that I was twenty seven.

1567
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 3: We were shooting that. He started laughing that. I was like,

1568
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 3: what's up? And he was like, oh, I remember the

1569
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 3: day some like teen beat people came to the set

1570
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 3: of Ferris Viewer's Day Off just to like do some

1571
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 3: early interviews about the next John Hughes movie coming out.

1572
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 3: At the interview or like in the middle of the interview,

1573
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 3: figured out Alan Ruck was thirty and she could just

1574
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 3: see service across their face, like we got to have

1575
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 3: you on the cover of Tembat What is this.

1576
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: You're a decade removed from being a team Yeah, yeah,

1577
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 1: oh my god.

1578
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 3: I was a decade removed. So he saw it. He

1579
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 3: saw in my eyes.

1580
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: Paul, I have a random question, but you mentioned on

1581
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: this is like a deep cut here. But you mentioned

1582
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: on the dough Boys podcast that you were on the

1583
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 1: speech team in high school. Is that correct?

1584
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1585
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: Okay, So what can you explain because I was also

1586
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: on the speech team in high school, and like, I

1587
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: think there's something the Midwest I have. They didn't really

1588
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: have a version of what we had in Minnesota in California,

1589
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: or at least I didn't really discover people. But like,

1590
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: can you explain what the speech team was?

1591
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 3: Yes, I think what's another thing schools call it. They'll

1592
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 3: call it. Is it forensics or what's the word.

1593
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't think of the word, but I know

1594
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about it.

1595
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 3: It's not forensics because that's like police work, yes, or maybe,

1596
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 3: but I know it goes by another name in different states.

1597
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,759
Speaker 3: So maybe this will start like ringing bells for other people,

1598
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 3: whether they did it or new people who were. But

1599
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 3: it was like there was.

1600
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I think forensics is actually what it's Okay, Yeah,

1601
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: I think you're right.

1602
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 3: So anyways, criminal forensics, Yes, it would be. Yes, there

1603
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 3: was group speech that there was like individual speech, and

1604
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 3: they were on kind of different seasons and group speech

1605
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 3: you did with a group and individually you did by

1606
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 3: your but then the categories within the speech contest for

1607
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:08,520
Speaker 3: us for IOWA was like one act, play group, improv.

1608
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 3: There was one that was like a Greek theater, and

1609
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:23,480
Speaker 3: then the individual ones were like monologue, yes, individual improv, yes,

1610
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 3: you have, and then stuff like after dinner speech, you

1611
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 3: know when you have to give like an immus speed

1612
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 3: or a poem. Yeah. And then it was like regional state,

1613
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 3: all state because you know, they had to find some

1614
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 3: way to make art of contest. Yes, okay, so this

1615
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 3: is very similar to how my kid to school, unless

1616
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 3: it's gonna come to a gold medal.

1617
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: Well, we could we could letter in speech. I remember that.

1618
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,600
Speaker 1: That was like a thing name. And we had the

1619
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: categories were I can't remember all of them, but it

1620
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: was like poetry, uh, dramatic model, we had comedic, monologue.

1621
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: And then the category I did was storytelling where you

1622
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: had to like tell kind of like an ancient It

1623
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: was like a Greek story or like an ancient like

1624
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 1: a tale from a babel, yeah, a fable, but you

1625
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: had to put your own spin on it. And it

1626
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: was kind of like a little bit like stand up

1627
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: comedy and you're like doing characters and like it's sort

1628
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 1: of like embarrassing thing, but it's like very theater adjacent.

1629
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 3: I love to see every person's videotape of I mean.

1630
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: It is, it is, it is how it's like, it

1631
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: is like the distillation of like a theater like theater kid.

1632
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know. It's just like it's so strange

1633
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:46,879
Speaker 1: and bizarre.

1634
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that particular whatever theater kid kind of got

1635
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 3: cooked up in that generation is like different than the

1636
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 3: theater kids that came before it. And it was maybe

1637
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 3: like some shame I was that existed in theater kids before,

1638
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 3: but then's abbointed was like it dissipates. I want to

1639
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 3: be on CNL like that well, and.

1640
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: Like you would practice your speech, like you'd go like

1641
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: our it was every Saturday morning during the season, and

1642
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: we would drive to I just wanted to talk you

1643
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: about this because I found no one else to talk

1644
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: to about it. So we would drive to like a

1645
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 1: high school where like they were holding the tournament on

1646
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 1: the weekend, and it'd be like filled with kids from

1647
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: all these different schools who were competing against each other,

1648
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: and people would be facing a wall doing their speech,

1649
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 1: like practicing their speech, and so like the law the

1650
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 1: halls of the high school would be lined with kids

1651
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: just like talking at wall. I mean, it's like absolutely.

1652
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 3: The great observation. I totally forgot about that. You would

1653
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 3: see like rows of mad men, like just like just

1654
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 3: people looking like there's experiencing madness, looking at the wall

1655
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 3: and like whisper yes, like an incantation, like going through

1656
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 3: their monologue by themselves.

1657
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like you would switch characters by kind

1658
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 1: of like switching sides like to like denote the differential

1659
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: different characters. So also this was something I don't know

1660
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: if they did this. So like the awards at the end,

1661
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: there's all these categories. There's like sixteen speech categories, and

1662
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: like you would people would place, you know, and you'd

1663
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: like it would be like third, second and first, you know,

1664
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 1: like place in their categories. So that's like so many

1665
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 1: awards to announce, and so they at the speech competitions,

1666
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: it'd be like a gym filled with like all these

1667
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 1: theater kids and they'd be like all right for you know,

1668
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 1: a dramatic monologue in third place Molly Smith. And the

1669
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: rule was everyone got one clap, so the entire auditorium

1670
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: would go all in sync. So it'd be like second

1671
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 1: place Casey O'Brien, and.

1672
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 3: That is perfect Midwest, like we will show appreciation.

1673
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: Contained a small little box. Yes, oh my god, okay,

1674
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: I just was. I was just I think you see

1675
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: there's a John Hughes movie in that in some way,

1676
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: like at a speech competition.

1677
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 3: Well, and to bring it to John Hughes. I remember

1678
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 3: a one act that some schools would do was the

1679
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 3: breakfast Club. Oh really, you'd hear a certain high school

1680
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 3: like North High is doing breakfast Club this year is

1681
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,719
Speaker 3: one act and be like, damn, that sounds so cool.

1682
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we are doing. We had one act competition too,

1683
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: but that was like a separate thing from the speech.

1684
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 3: To yes, yes, yeah yeah when we did I don't

1685
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 3: know if you could look at your judges sheets like

1686
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 3: they could leave notes when they were yes, we would

1687
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 3: get them after you get them after you. It was

1688
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 3: like reading the critics reviews at midnight when they get

1689
01:37:54,760 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 3: like the newspaper. But but I remember like, yeah, looking

1690
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 3: at him, and there was a really I did group

1691
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 3: improv ones and we canned like our entire improv like

1692
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 3: we scripted everything we were gonna say. It wasn't it,

1693
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 3: And then sweadily took the suggestion and tried to cram

1694
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 3: it in this thing. It was so evident. And the

1695
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 3: reviews they were brutal.

1696
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: They didn't hold back. That's so funny. Well, anything else,

1697
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: you have any other last thoughts about John Hughes or

1698
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: his movies or anything before we wrapped this up.

1699
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:42,799
Speaker 3: No, Well, Millie mentioned, you know, seeing the edited version

1700
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 3: of of sixty Candles we taped Breakfast Club. I watched

1701
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 3: it because we taped it off Encore, so it had

1702
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 3: the swears. But then I went over to a friend's

1703
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,719
Speaker 3: house and he watched the Fox version that was taped

1704
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 3: off of Fox TV, and there's a part where John

1705
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 3: Bender says eat my shorts. Right to the principally he goes,

1706
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 3: eat my shorts. Now, this is the Fox network that's

1707
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 3: airing The Simpsons, where Bart Simpson, like one of his

1708
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 3: most famous catchphrases at the time was eat my shorts

1709
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 3: and be on T shirts posters. They change it to

1710
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 3: eat my socks.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't have any confusion. Gosh, he was treading on

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Speaker 1: Bart's territory.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want, because it was gonna becomes yes,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, but no, I mean, this is a

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01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 3: really fun chat with you, Millie Casey, thanks for having me.

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01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Is there anything you want to plug before we

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01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: wrap up? Oh, people should check.

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Speaker 3: Out No, you mentioned my podcast with Gorley and Rust.

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01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 3: It's me and Matt Gorley. We do a podcast about

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01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 3: horror movies and thrillers and such fun.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, it's great, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Paul.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan. I'm so glad you're able to

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01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,440
Speaker 1: be on show and this was so delightful.

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01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Paul.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, Millie, that was a lovely chat with

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Speaker 1: Paul Rust. Go check out his podcast with Gorley and Rust. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna do employees picks today because go see movies.

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01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: Go see the Oscar movies, every single one of them,

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01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 1: every single nominated movie. Go see it.

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01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, make your own opinions, don't just follow us.

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01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 1: Oh, but you feel free if you're at like a

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01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 1: party and you have like a hot take, feel free

1734
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 1: to take anything we said during the podcast and say

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01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,680
Speaker 1: it was your idea. You're allowed to do that. As

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01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 1: a shithead. You can take our ideas and claim them

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01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 1: as your own.

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01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: You should definitely be like, why does everybody like Avatar

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01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 2: so much?

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01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can do that. Well, that's our show. Please

1741
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:02,799
Speaker 1: write in for film advice or a gripe, a grop,

1742
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 1: a gret or yeah, any of those things right into

1743
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 1: Deer Movies at exactlyrightmedia dot com. You can also send

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01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: us a voicemail. You can record a voicemail for any

1745
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: of the things I just said, or you can also

1746
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:24,640
Speaker 1: send in your movie date stories. Either way, record on

1747
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: your phone, email it to dear Movies at exactlyrightmedia dot com.

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01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 2: That is correct, and we are on social media predictably.

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01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 2: We are on Instagram and Facebook at deer Movies. I

1750
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 2: love you, and if you want to follow us at letterbox,

1751
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 2: which should, we are at Casey le O'Brien and at md'jericho.

1752
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 2: And listen to this podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

1753
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 2: podcast wherever you get your podcast, rate a review show.

1754
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 2: Be kind tell Casey that you I've been obsessed with

1755
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 2: him ever since you worked with him at the coffee shop.

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01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 1: I would love that.

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01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, just go go hard and go hardard love is

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01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:09,679
Speaker 2: what I'm what I mean.

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01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Millie, what are we talking about next week?

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Speaker 3: Dude?

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01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 2: Dude, We're going to talk about a brand new movie,

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01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 2: spanking new, and I am very excited because I've been

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01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 2: holding my breath about this film since I saw it.

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01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: On Valentine's Dad.

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01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about the Emerald Finale version

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01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:43,759
Speaker 2: of quote Wuthering Heights end quote from twenty twenty six,

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01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:48,719
Speaker 2: and I cannot wait. I literally cannot wait.

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01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 1: I wish I was recording it right now. I'm excited too.

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01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 1: I have not seen this movie yet, but I am

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01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: excited to see it. Yeah, I said that on the podcast.

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01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see this movie. So it's getting bad reviews,

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01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 1: I will say that, but that hasn't stopped me from

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01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 1: liking a movie before.

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01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:07,480
Speaker 2: In your world, In my highly curated world where everybody

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01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 2: likes everything that I like, Uh huh, it's gotten five stars.

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01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, well that's great, Okay, all right, Well

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01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: do you think Jacob Elordi's too tall? Maybe we'll discuss

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01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 1: that that next week.

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01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah we should actually, because I have thoughts about his body. Oh.

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01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,480
Speaker 1: I have thoughts about his body too after seeing Frankenstein.

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01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that freak next week. Okay, bye, bye bye.

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01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:44,919
Speaker 2: Millie to Cherco and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, Our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 2: Our incredible theme music is by the best man in

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01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 2: the entire world.

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01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: The Softies thank you to are executive producers Karen Kilgareff,

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01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 1: Georgia Hardstark, Daniel Kramer and Millie.

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01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 2: To Jerico, we love you, goodbye, Beca