1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: On this episode of New World, one of the most 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: effective anti communist voices in America today, Gie Van Fleet, 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: made ways with her breakout book Maus America, exposing eerie 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: parallels between China's past and American's present woke revolution. Now, 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: alongside renowned Chinese dissident Yuji, she sounds the alarm once more, 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: revealing how the Chinese communist parties rise was not just 7 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: enabled by soult Russia, but shockingly by the United States 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: itself in their latest book Made in America, The Hidden 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: History of how the US enabled Communist China and created 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: our greatest threat. Understanding this hidden history is essential for 11 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Americans and confronting the CCP's global ambitions and stopping the 12 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: sport of communism home. I'm really pleased to welcome back 13 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: my guest and friend, Gevanfleet. She welcome. 14 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: Thank you so much at mister speaker, and I have 15 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: to say, you are the one that inspired me to 16 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: write the first book, so I'm just so appreciative of 17 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: your mentorship. Without your courage, I don't know whether I 18 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: even take that project. 19 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: Well. You become a real national asset, and I'm delighted 20 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: that you are remaining so involved. But I think people 21 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: need to know that you first entered the national spotlight 22 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: with a one minute speech at a Loudin County school 23 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: board meeting where you do a direct parallel between critical 24 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: race theory and Mahu's cultural revolution, warning that critical race 25 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: theory is a form of Marxism. I'm curious when you 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: were singer, what made you decide you had to give 27 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: the speech. 28 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: This is actually a story of its own at that time. 29 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: I have been in the United States for over thirty 30 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: five years, and in those thirty five years, I did nothing. 31 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: I thought I left communism behind me when I left 32 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: China in nineteen eighty six. I thought freedom is a given. 33 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: I really paid no attention to politics, and I just 34 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: focused on realizing my American dream until I start to 35 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: see problems warning signs. But by twenty twenty that was clear, 36 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: that was so clear that what's going on in America 37 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: was a Marxist communist revolution, and I could no longer 38 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: just sit aside and be observed and make some comments. 39 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: And that's when I decided to get involved, because now 40 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: I'm defending my home. Home is America, and I don't 41 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: want to see what happened in China. Happened here, But 42 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: that's exactly what's happening. 43 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: You compared critical race theory to now's cultural revolution. Now, 44 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners, frankly, won't know muchout either one. 45 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: What was the parallel you were trying to warn people about. 46 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: It is really identity politics and how the communists divide people. 47 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: In China, they divided by class, and everyone had a 48 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: labeled And even though we all look like we're all Chinese, 49 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: but we have a label. We're either were labeled red 50 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: or labeled black and black are the people who used 51 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: to own land, used to own property, or used to 52 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: had some opinions and free thinking, or labeled as a writers. 53 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: They all grouped together as black class. We all have 54 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: that and we passed that down to our children and 55 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: our children's children. And when you are labeled black, you're 56 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: basically second class citizen. Your children could not go to college, 57 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: you could not get a career or promotion, and then 58 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: come to America and then doing exact the same thing, 59 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: even though they use a different tactic. It's by race, 60 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: and what you are ethically become a label. A label 61 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: put you into two groups basically same thing, red and black. 62 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: Black in a way, it's like your oppressor, red is 63 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 2: that you're oppressed. Same tactic and the same result divide people. 64 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: Before twenty to twenty, I start to notice that at workplace, 65 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: and people pay attention to the race of a call, 66 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: which we probably paid little attention before. And we just 67 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: very very careful about what we say. We are very 68 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: afraid to be offensive. What that really is is that 69 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: we started to censor ourselves, just like the cultural revolution. 70 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: And that's what I was taught when I was very little. 71 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: Just don't say things. I think quite in three times, 72 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: because once you say something, you are inviting trouble, and 73 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: the trouble can be imprisonment. For some people, it can 74 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: be execution. 75 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: The speech suddenly went viral and you were then invited 76 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: on Fox News did a whole series of interview with 77 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: speaking invitations. When you got up to speak that day, 78 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: did you think you'd have anything like that impact? 79 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: If I knew, I probably would be chicken out. I 80 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: would be scared to death. But what happened afterwards also 81 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: shocked me. I thought I was telling something that everyone knew, 82 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: but no, no, So many people have never heard about 83 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: most cultural revolutions, and so many people have no idea 84 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: what communism is about. And that was a very shocker 85 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 2: to me afterwards, and that's one of the reasons I 86 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: decided just going on interview here or speech over there, 87 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: it's not going to do it. I have to write 88 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: a book. That's the reason that in twenty twenty, with 89 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: you encouragement, I quit my job. That was such a 90 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: scary thing to do. I have no idea what will 91 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: happen if I write a book with anyone interested in 92 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: publishing it. But I just feel like I have to 93 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: do it. Thank God, and everything work out just perfectly, 94 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: and I just really believe it is God's will that 95 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: he wants me to write this book. And just as 96 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: you said, a lot of people told me that the 97 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: book was an eye opener to them. They have no 98 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: idea that the same thing happened in China and the 99 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: same thing happened to people like me. It was still here. 100 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: And it's not like you know, one hundred years ago. 101 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: It's not Asian history. It is only fifty years ago. 102 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: How hard was it for you to write the book? 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: Extremely hard, extremely hard, But somehow I was able to 104 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: put everything together. And actually, in writing this book, I 105 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 2: learned a lot of things myself. I think people you 106 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: probably can't understand that. Sometimes you went through an event, 107 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: you went through a revolution, and you saw everything, but 108 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: you don't understand why. And that's kind of my situation 109 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: I went through it. I can just tell that what's 110 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: going on in America was just like what I went 111 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: through in China. But I really did not quite understand 112 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: why Mao would launch that revolution until I started to 113 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: do the research. So that book was not just educational 114 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: to American people, to myself as well, because all the 115 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: research I've done. 116 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: Meationed in your research. What was Mao trying to achieve power? 117 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: That is so simple and that is exact what's going 118 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: on here. Mao launched that cultural revolution for one thing, 119 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: to get power, power from who, from his political rivals 120 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: and from basically fellow communists. He lost some power after 121 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: the disasters greatly Forward, which killed more than fifty million Chinese. 122 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: He was forced to give up some of his power, 123 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 2: and that was not good for a dictator. He wanted 124 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: absolute power, so he launched this cultural revolution. Used all 125 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: the useful idiots, the Red guards, the young people, the 126 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: indoctrinated people who could not think critically to launch this 127 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: revolution so that he can get his power, and he 128 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: did during the Cultural Revolution. He really became our god 129 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: as a young kid in school. That's exactly how I 130 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: look at him as our savior, as our God. And 131 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: so it's for power. And that's why I tried to 132 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: tell people here why they do all this, why they 133 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty they launched bmm, it's a revolution, it's 134 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: a communist for what for power? They do it to 135 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: stop Trump from being elected and they sit in doing that. 136 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: And what they're doing now, same thing. Power. Now they 137 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: lost the election, how do they handle it? They take 138 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: their anger to the street and they want to stop eyes. 139 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: And that's what people voted for. It's all about power. 140 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 2: When you understand that, I think everything makes sense. 141 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: From that standpoint. You had here in nine states a 142 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: group of people on the left who were trying to 143 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: use the government to force the rest of us to 144 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: do what they wanted, whether we want to do it 145 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: or not. It's that a fair comment. 146 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is the same that in the past 147 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: few decades the Marxist has succeeded in taking over our institutions, 148 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: which through what's called lawnmarks through institutions. So they absolutely 149 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: have control of almost everything of our political institutions, cultural institutions, 150 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: educational institutions. Yes, they use their power absolutely to force 151 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: their ideology on us for what, to secure their power, 152 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: to expand their power to take over America period. 153 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: The process strengs me. 154 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: It's pretty terrified, absolutely, but people don't even recognize it. 155 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: That is the danger the culture revolution. The Red gods 156 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 2: have no idea. The Red Gods have no idea what 157 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: was mild really wanted. They were giving the power to 158 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: go to the street, to destroy things, to beat people up, 159 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: kill people, and they just loved it. But they have 160 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: no idea that's what Mau wanted. After they accomplished Males Gool, 161 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: they are all sent to the countryside, the gulags to 162 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: get their so called re education. Because those useful idiots 163 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: were no longer useful. They actually become a threat to MAO. 164 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 2: And this is the thing that the people here on 165 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: the left they don't know. They never taught and they 166 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 2: have no idea. So when they no longer become useful, 167 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: the same thing will happen to them. That's why I 168 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: try to warn people with my book and our ex 169 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: Every day, I treat things about history tell them this 170 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: is what happened, this is what happening in America, and 171 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: the same result. The result is we all lose our freedom, 172 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: and those so called true believers, they will send to 173 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: the gulags because they take things too seriously. They think 174 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: they are fighting for our so called neighbors, the illegals, 175 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: because they were oppressed people. They will find out that 176 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: they became a threat to the new regime. If it's successful, 177 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: they would be the first one to go. 178 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: How should we distinguish between people who seriously want to 179 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: come here to learn and people who want to come 180 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: here to try to take over? How can you distinguish that? 181 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: It's difficult? It is difficult. The battlefield is very, very confusing. 182 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: There's no enemy lines, there's no like a red coat whatever. 183 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: We don't know. 184 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people that came here, Okay. 185 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: I came here as a student, okay, and I loved 186 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: this country, and I took the time and effort to assimilate. 187 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 2: My love for America is by learning to appreciate it, 188 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: and especially living in Virginia, I love to visit those 189 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: historical sites of funding fathers, and I developed the love 190 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: for America a lot of people came here just like me, 191 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: but a lot of people also went through universities and 192 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: got indoctrinated. And this is really really sad. A lot 193 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: of people they were indoctrinated in America, and a lot 194 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: of Chinese who I know, they gladly taking that role 195 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 2: as being a victim that somehow they believed that they 196 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: were the victim of the white supremecy and so they 197 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: seek protection, protection from the Democratic Party. And this to 198 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: me is just so sad. Even people like me who 199 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: live through the brutal region of communism came here. Somehow 200 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: they failed to recognize the same identity politics, the same 201 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: old ideology is communist. It doesn't make sense. I just 202 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: think it's very sad. I believe people like Ihan Omar, 203 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: she's a radical, she's from Somalia, but her education is here. 204 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: She got her education from American universities. So I believe 205 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: that her radical life took place here. So that's the 206 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: main thing of my new book. It is the communists here, 207 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: the leftist ideology here that helped enabled the Chinese Communist 208 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: Party and going back, you know, like a century. But 209 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: also a lot of the radicalization happening here not just 210 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: to Americans, but people who come from other countries, the immigrants, 211 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: they were told not to assimilate. They were told that 212 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: their culture, no matter what, it's just as good as Americas. 213 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: A lot of them took both the idea that they're 214 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: victims of American white supremacy. 215 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: It does help explain. You know, your people who come 216 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: from a country that's very poor and has very few opportunities, 217 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: You would think they'd want to adopt this American culture 218 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: which is giving them hiring, greater choices, more safety, and 219 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: yet for some of them they repudiate the very things 220 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: that are making their lives better. Historians are going to 221 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: find this a very strange thing. 222 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: It's taught, That's what I truly believe. It's taught and 223 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: taught by who, by Americans? What kind of Americans? Communist 224 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: and a Marxist, leftist and today just easy to say democrats. 225 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: So you really think from your own experience and from 226 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: talking to all these people, that there is a very 227 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: large block, particularly in the academic education world, of people 228 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: who are sincerely communist and who are basically preaching to 229 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: convert people to almost a new religion. 230 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's starting in universities now at a win to kindergarten. 231 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: And that's why they want to free kindergarten, you know, 232 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: government controlled kindergarten. Yeah, they can start it as baby. 233 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: That's what she in pin slogan is. They want to 234 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: have this new education called patriot patriot education in China, 235 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: which means really love the party as start from babies. Babies. 236 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: They want to teach them in doctrinatm as young as possible. 237 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: That is exactly. You know, the research come out all 238 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: the time that in the universities like A ninety five 239 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: or in some fields, ninety nine percent of the faculties 240 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: are Democrats. And we lost that and that's why we 241 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: see this kind of thing that can take place in America. 242 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: Those people that indoctrinated, they become true believers. They would 243 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: go to the streets in such cold weather and risk 244 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: their lives because their lieutenant governor told them to put 245 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: their lives on the line, right, they do that because 246 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: that's so indoctrinated. 247 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: You watched this in China, So how do you de 248 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: indoctrinate or how do you deradicalize million people? 249 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: I know in China they learned hard way, those Red Guards, 250 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: including me later because I was not part of the risk. 251 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: I was too young. But by the time I graduated 252 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: from high school, there's no place for young people because 253 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: the economy was totally destroyed. I was too sent to 254 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: the gulags and work in the field for three years. 255 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 2: And that's how you learn. You learn the hard way. 256 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: But we can't let it happen here. By the time 257 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: they learn it from their own experience, it would be 258 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: too late. So education, because that's how they got the 259 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 2: people indoctrinated through so called education. We have to do 260 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: the same, or we let America fall and then everybody 261 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: figured out. But by then we cannot get the power 262 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 2: back without a block bath. 263 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: What kind of reaction do you get as you go 264 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: around the country and tell the story so far? 265 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, the thing is that so far I only 266 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 2: able to approach the conservatives. No one would invite me, 267 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: you know, on the other side would invite me. But 268 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 2: even when I talk to the conservatives, so many of 269 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: them have no understanding of it. So I would say, 270 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: if we can wake up, all the conservatives will win, 271 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: and you understand it. We have so many republicancy in 272 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: name only. They are basically communist light to me, you know, 273 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: I'm not very diplomatic, but yeah, I call them communists 274 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: light and so they don't know, and some of them 275 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: truly don't know. And that is the story of my book, 276 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: that there are so many people made this mistake earlier 277 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: when we started to deal with China, which is really 278 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties, but the whole stage of communists 279 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: take over China was laid by Udo Wilson. And it's 280 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: because there's so many Americans never understood communism. Writers, journalists 281 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: such as Edgar Snow went to China and absolutely dazzled 282 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: by the communists and their lies and everything, and he 283 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: wrote this book, Red Star over China. You probably heard 284 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: about it, and it's still in print today. That was 285 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: the origin book of the CCP, and then let the 286 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: whole world know this was the future of China, This 287 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: was the hope for the millions of suffering Chinese. They 288 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: helped the regime, they helped the CCP take over China. 289 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: And then fast forward, and it was the Americans one 290 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: mistake of another, and it led to the rights of 291 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: China and now become our worst threat ever, a whole 292 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: lot worse than Soviet Russia in the Cold War, because 293 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: at that time. There is a line right the battlefield. 294 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: There's a line were No, they're there aware here now 295 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 2: China Communists China, they're everywhere. They are absolutely embedded in 296 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: every part of this country. We don't even know who 297 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: is who. I can't even figure out. When I deal 298 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: with some Chinese, I don't know. I would wonder they're 299 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: here sent by the SIP. That is our challenge. A 300 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: lot of people, you know, the true believers. They are 301 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: innocent in many way, innocent victims because they're inductrinated. 302 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: Part of your own life experience, you were a student, 303 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: I think in Florida during Gentlemen Square when the Chinese 304 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: Comunis Party ruthlessly cracked down on the students. What was 305 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: your reaction here? You are, your student in America watching 306 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: students in Beijing be killed. How did that affect you? Well? 307 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: Actually, I did not believe that they were open fire. 308 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: I did not believe until the last second, because I 309 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 2: grew up in China, even though I hate communism and everything, 310 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: but I was so deeply indoctrinated that the POA, the 311 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: Chinese Liberation Army, the People's Liberation Army POA is for people, 312 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: and they would never, never open fire on the Chinese citizens, 313 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: And when that happened, it shattered my lost, lost whatever 314 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: I hold on that CCP is not that bad, it's over. 315 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: After that, I said, no, they can't do anything. They 316 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 2: did so much. Now they're doing this and they're going 317 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: to do more of this. 318 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: Well, of course, at the time they couldn't get the 319 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: local Beijing parts of the army to shoot, so they 320 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: spent extra three or four days and brought in units 321 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: from Inner Mongolia who came from a different background and 322 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: who were quite willing to kill the students. It was 323 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: a serious example that they would do whatever it took 324 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: to stay in power, and they'd kill as many people 325 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: as they had to to stay in power. I've been 326 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: fascinated by the degree to which Jijit Peng has been 327 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: presiding over a very deep purge of the senior Chinese 328 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: military means. Recently, the last two days, IF had two 329 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: of the top people fired, and it's now reached a 330 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: very large number of their senior officers who have been purged. 331 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: What do you make of that? 332 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: This is something that I think people should understand. Purge 333 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: and the infight is norm. Is the norm of Communist 334 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: Party period CICP, especially when I learned more about it. 335 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: It seems to be most people think the Chinese so 336 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: called experts. They think even though the people that have 337 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: been perched was promoted to be there by hitting Pin, 338 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: but somehow they had some influence of their own and 339 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: especially in the military, they may have shown that they 340 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: are not always except the order from Hi Jinpin without 341 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: any maybe personal input or whatever. That's just not good 342 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: for dictator. So he got rid of his own people, 343 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: his own allies. So now anyone who will replace those 344 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: people will absolutely be one hundred percent is men. So 345 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: what does that mean? That can mean something bad. That 346 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: can mean that if she Jipin pake reckless action, there's 347 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: no one there to slow him down or to stop him. 348 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: And Taiwan might be example. 349 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: I worry very much that we're watching them pretty openly practiced. 350 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: What do it take to invade Taiwan? I think we 351 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: underestimate the danger that Xijinping might do that. 352 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: This is very personal to Hijipin. Xi Jinpin is the 353 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: most powerful CCP leader since Mao, but there's something lacking. 354 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: He's still not Mao, and the only thing he can 355 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: do to put him the same level or surpass Mao 356 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: is to take Taiwan, because Maud was not able to 357 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: take Taiwan. So it might be just a personal thing 358 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: that he wanted to do that so he will remembered 359 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: forever he was the one to so called unite China. 360 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: Did you look at all us? How do you evaluate 361 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: President Trump's approach to China. 362 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: I'm so glad. In my book I specifically talk about 363 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 2: Trump and Trump is the only president that really understand 364 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 2: this threat from Communist Party of China the CCP, and 365 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 2: is taking action and decisive action. So far everything hits down. 366 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: I think the opment goal is to undermine and the 367 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: defeat Communism, including Panama Canal, including Iran, including Venezuela, everything 368 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: and the Greenland. It's really about China because China has 369 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: proved itself and it's in its DNA because it's a communist. 370 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: The global ambition always so before Nixon and Kissinger, they 371 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 2: believe that Soviet Russia has imperial ambition China and not 372 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: really wrong. Why because Chinese Communist Party is communists first 373 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: and they have the same ambition. And now after the 374 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: time for them to realize the ambition because they are 375 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: wealthy and they're powerful. They are just like Russia, and 376 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: more so because they have the wealth. Now, So everything 377 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: Trump has done is really aimed I think at the tariff, 378 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: you know, all this is aimed at the CCP. But 379 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: I go a step further. The thread of the CCP 380 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: is grave. But really the threat to America is the 381 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: communist ideology inside our border. 382 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: You were as much about us destroying ourselves as any 383 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: kind of foreign threat. 384 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, look what Trump can do in a short period 385 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: of a year, and now CCP is really isolated and 386 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 2: his allies were gone, and it's not that difficult. But 387 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: what's really difficult is the thread within the CCP can 388 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 2: go this far is because they have wheeling allies inside 389 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: our border. So that is the most challenging part. Like 390 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: I said, the enemy line, there's very blurry. We don't 391 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: know who actually a lot of them, you know, we 392 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: think they are our allies, but they are not really. 393 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 2: So that is the real threat. And there's something I 394 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: really want to get that opportunity here to explain to 395 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 2: people anti CCP does not equate to anti communism. I 396 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: can use Nancy Blossi as an example. She is a 397 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: strong supporter for the pro Democracy Movement. When she went 398 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: to China in the nineties, she went to Cammen Square 399 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: with a handmade banner to show her support for the students. 400 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: And she also supports Taiwan. But she's a communist. She 401 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: all her policy and ideology. Here in the United States, 402 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: it's communist, so and a lot of Chinese dissidents here too, 403 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: they only against CCP. They don't even understand the communist 404 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: threat here in America. And some absolutely anti cGMP and 405 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: anti Trump, and I mixed just after in no sense. 406 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: I want to thank you. You're always fascinating, you're always thinking, 407 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: you have a unique personal background, and I want to 408 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me your new book Made in America, 409 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: The Hidden History of how the US enabled Communist China 410 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: and Creator our Greatest Threat. It's available now at Amazon 411 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: and then bookstores everywhere. And as always, you you're so 412 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: helpful and you're so courageous, and I really appreciate you 413 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: taking the time to share with us today. 414 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, missus speaker. 415 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guests, as Gee Van Vliet. 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