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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. It is Tuesday, August twelfth.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be responding to all of your amazing

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Speaker 4: Hi, it's Heather from Wisconsin, just listening to Sunday Night's

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Speaker 4: episode and the breakdown of where Kaylee was. Was she

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Speaker 4: actually in bed with Maddie or did she interrupt? My

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Speaker 4: thought has always been being a dog person, and my

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Speaker 4: can went in and interrupted because Murphy was in her

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Speaker 4: can't imagine that he would be okay being somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, thank you for the talk back, by

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Speaker 2: the way, And this is like one of probably the

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Speaker 2: topics I personally like to talk about the most when

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Speaker 2: it comes to this case is the Kaylee situation. And Dylan,

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Speaker 2: the surviving roommate, is very insistent in multiple documents throughout

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Speaker 2: and in fact, she says it multiple times that she

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Speaker 2: hears Kaylee go up the stairs with Murphy and then

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Speaker 2: And then ten minutes later or so she hears a

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Speaker 2: male voice say, you know, don't worry, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: help you in a menacing way. Now it has to

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Speaker 2: be Kaylee that says someone's here. And the reason I

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Speaker 2: say that is because ten or so minutes had passed.

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Speaker 2: Now it is possible that you know, she's tired, she's disoriented,

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Speaker 2: she's inebriated, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. She has

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Speaker 2: like a spatial time problem. But she is insistent that

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Speaker 2: it is Kaylee that says someone's here. If it is

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Speaker 2: Kaylee in fact that says someone is here, she was

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Speaker 2: not in that room. And we know from the photos

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Speaker 2: that there are blood droplets right inside the bedroom door

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Speaker 2: of Maddie's room. Maddie's room, right, I think I think that,

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Speaker 2: you know, and they removed part of the wall right there.

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Speaker 2: I think Kaylee went into that room.

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Speaker 5: Do Yeah, it's a very fair point with regard to

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Speaker 2: Listen, And there's a lot of different reasons. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Well, you said it from the beginning, I have, and I.

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Speaker 2: Said that only because my friend Megan pointed out the

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Speaker 2: photo of Kaylee's bed and it was turned down like

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Speaker 2: she had been sleeping in it. Well, we learned later that,

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Speaker 2: you know, we learned just recently that the police officers

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Speaker 2: actually noted that in their reports, they noted that Kaylee's

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Speaker 2: also learned from these reports that they took like a

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Speaker 2: pregame nap okay, So it could have been from that.

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Speaker 5: And that's why your argument of that was, I would

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Speaker 5: you know, take a little I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going to get ready because I'm going to be up late.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm going to be drinking. I know I

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Speaker 2: need to be ready to go right. Well, then the

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Speaker 2: fial target scan was or the faral scan was done

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Speaker 2: by the FBI on Halloween of twenty twenty three, and

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Speaker 2: we got new press photos looking into the house and

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Speaker 2: we can see the wall that was removed right next

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Speaker 2: to Maddie's desk, and I'm like, why would that wall

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Speaker 2: I think she came in. I'm okay to be wrong

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Speaker 2: I'm saying in my story she hears her friend something's

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Speaker 5: I think the talk Yeah, seriously, thank you if you

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Speaker 3: Do we get some talkbacks going?

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Speaker 6: Just something real quick about the Epstein files. The FBI

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Speaker 6: goes on the stand for the grand jury, they review

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Speaker 6: all the evidence with the judge, and that is what

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Speaker 6: the judge is saying, is that there is no new

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Speaker 6: evidence in the grand jury testimony. It all was in

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Speaker 6: the Maxwell trial. Thanks so much, have a great day.

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Speaker 3: She's right, that's what they said, you know, that's that's

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Speaker 2: That the judge said that in reviewing the test the

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 7: So if that's the case, please share it. By the way,

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Speaker 7: that was an excellent talkback, and what a beautiful voice.

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Speaker 7: Yet again, she had a great voice, So thank you

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Speaker 7: for that.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 7: I know that's what the judge said. I just don't

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Speaker 3: Fair still, like, how could that still fly?

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Speaker 5: And Stephanie and I are going to agree to disagree.

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Speaker 5: I respect, you know, the grand jury and keeping it sealed.

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Speaker 2: So why because when I'm testifying in front of the

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Speaker 2: I know that, and I think that's important to our process.

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Speaker 7: But then if the President of the United States says

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Speaker 7: to happen, and it doesn't, how is that okay?

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Speaker 2: Because maybe the judge knows Trump is, you know, full

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Speaker 2: of crap. And you know, I almost said the s word,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Adam, was my goodness?

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Speaker 7: You should all the men in our world just stood up.

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Speaker 2: But no, what I mean? But in reality, maybe the

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Speaker 2: judge is Colin is bluff. I don't know. The judge

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Speaker 2: knows that they have the files if they want to

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Speaker 3: That is exactly right. And also you at their.

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Speaker 2: Point, So don't play the don't play the judicial brands

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Speaker 3: See what you're saying.

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Speaker 7: So just for clarity, you're saying the grand jury is

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Speaker 7: so sacred that therefore what's behind closed doors and a

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Speaker 7: grand jury should remain secretive. However, Trump was saying that

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Speaker 7: the list in other air quotes, files or tape or

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Speaker 7: all the things that surround this case, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 7: Epstein or Gilainne Maxwell, that those should be released and

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Speaker 7: the grand jury information should remain sacred because there are

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Speaker 7: two separate entities. Correct, Okay, I get that, I guess. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And earlier, Stephanie, you had asked why is it important

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Speaker 5: to me specifically? And yeah, it is. It is the

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Speaker 3: And that's it. Are you community right now?

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Speaker 7: I love it?

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Speaker 8: Ye.

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Speaker 3: Courtney Armstrong had both hands in the air.

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Speaker 2: I love Judge Judy, God, I love I.

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Speaker 7: I saw her once on the street not that long ago,

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Speaker 7: I barely I almost jumped out of my car.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, Judge Judy.

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Speaker 7: I started screaming at her and she waved and I

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Speaker 7: loved it. Yes, she's the tiniest, cutest, perfect little human.

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Speaker 7: I we love you, Judge Judy.

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Speaker 8: We do.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening, Judge Judy, we are a big favor.

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Speaker 3: If you're listening, give us a call eighty to eighty three, one.

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Speaker 7: Crime Way in let us know what you think about this,

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Speaker 7: you know, I know what she would say about this.

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Speaker 2: I just think that the judge is just like, you're

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Speaker 2: not going to play this system. This is the judicial branch.

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Speaker 2: You're in the executive branch. Release it.

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Speaker 7: Even though I didn't see it that way, but now

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Speaker 7: that crystallizes it.

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Speaker 2: I think he's playing I think the judge might think that,

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Speaker 2: you know, Trump's playing games or not necessarily Trump, but

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Speaker 3: Well, good talkback, Yeah, very good talk back.

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Speaker 7: We get another? Can we get another? Sam and Adam?

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Speaker 9: Hey, lady Stephanie from Ohio. I just wanted to ask

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Speaker 9: that do you think that the Trump administration made a

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Speaker 9: show of asking for the grand jury transcripts knowing that

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Speaker 9: it would be, to my guide as a way to

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Speaker 9: show like they are asking for the transparency?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, in our heads, right, I know that's free.

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Speaker 2: Did you did you make that happen at all?

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Speaker 10: Did you?

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Speaker 7: That is really great, By the way, everybody has such

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Speaker 7: nice voices, Stephanie. Yes, I guess that is very performative.

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Speaker 7: It appears, and that's what I see at the root

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Speaker 7: of it. I mean That's how I feel.

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Speaker 2: I obviously have no knowledge of politics at all, Like

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Speaker 2: I'm not a politician person.

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Speaker 3: I do true crime, you know, like I don't know

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Speaker 3: anything about politics.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like, yeah, this is exactly what you said.

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Speaker 2: You think you nailed it.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I absolutely I agree as well. And

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Speaker 5: it was kind of another stall tactic and another let's

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Speaker 5: see tactic, and another down exactly.

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Speaker 2: Right, doing everything I can except releasing the files.

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Speaker 3: That I have personally, Yes, exactly right, and that I'm in.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that does say it all.

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Speaker 5: Suspicious suicide, and honestly, whatever else you are bringing to

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Speaker 7: We're a little punchy tonight. I'm not going to deny

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Speaker 3: So let's go. We'll go straight to it. What's our

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Speaker 12: Hey, girls, I was just listening to the Marilyn Monroe segment,

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Speaker 3: Karma does exist, and it's a you know what.

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Speaker 5: That has to be the case. Yes, to some degree,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think this is the president of

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Speaker 2: I don't think that the death of Marilyn Monroe is

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Speaker 5: I've heard is yeah, a big bag and nothing pretty much, That's.

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Speaker 5: So here's a little recording. I called my mom ps.

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Speaker 3: Kennedy.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Oh, she was having an affair with both of them.

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Speaker 13: Jack may have at that time figuring he was in

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Speaker 3: And yes, she was going to be messy and could.

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Speaker 2: Potentially be a wild card, I think, very very much.

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Speaker 13: Of course, absolutely absolutely that would That's what she could

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Speaker 3: We've heard so many accounts and we've all read so

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Speaker 7: You know, she was the first lady. And perhaps Marilyn

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Speaker 3: That just raises the question.

440
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: Of but there's no way for these there's no way

441
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: for these like pill capsules to be in her colon

442
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 2: my understandment, at least.

443
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 7: That's the correct that's my understanding as well, and it's

444
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 7: unusual and that, yeah, the autopsy that would have checked

445
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 7: for the drugs in her body, should she been taking

446
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 7: as many as the crime scene suggested. Remember she was

447
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 7: found with a sheet over her kind of in a

448
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 7: fet fetal position, correct, and then like covered in bottles

449
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 7: of pills. You know, it looked a little over the top, right,

450
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 7: A little stage. A little stage is sort of the

451
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 7: implication we always thought, and by we, I mean my

452
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 7: mom and I always always say, or at least was

453
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 7: speculated that maybe she had taken a bunch of pills

454
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 7: and maybe called one of the Kennedy boys and they

455
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 7: let her die. They didn't we call for help, because

456
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 7: she was calling them for help and they were like,

457
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 7: oh yeah, help's coming, and they were like, lose my number.

458
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 3: Right.

459
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: There is evidence that she was calling Bobby Current. He

460
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: didn't answer, and in fact, I think she called one

461
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: of his friends. I can't remember the guy's name now,

462
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: but somebody will know. And he said, yeah, no, she

463
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: called me looking for Bobby. So she was calling at

464
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: least Bobby that we know of Bobby Kennedy. And you're right,

465
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: maybe Bobby was just like, now, listen, there's no cell

466
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: phones back then. You know, they're calling a landline.

467
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 7: They're calling a landline. You know, I actually went to

468
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 7: the house that she, you know, lost her life in

469
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 7: like that is you know, Mari mound Roe is like

470
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 7: you did iconic People and you did some dog was

471
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 7: that I guess? So I guess I pictured her alive

472
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 7: there though not get there. So it was mostly like

473
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 7: the Marilyn Monroe a life scene as opposed to the

474
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 7: death scene. But yeah, it's it's pretty scary, endless and

475
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 7: look in those were different days, and you know, frankly

476
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 7: it's another generation, but I always keep it so curious.

477
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's who. That's the name Peter Long and that's.

478
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 3: Who also, you know, Betty's ground zero on.

479
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 5: That she was like he was in that mix, Yeah

480
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 5: really was, yeah, after.

481
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: And he was the brother in law of jfk Ye

482
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: on the night she dies. So Marilyn was reaching out

483
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: to even Peter to locate Bobby.

484
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 7: That's correct.

485
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: So she was she had sort of in a desperate

486
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: state to get hold of him. Right now, does that

487
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 2: maybe tell us that she was feeling a certain type

488
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: of way maybe, I mean it it is possible that

489
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: she still you know, ended her own life. But it

490
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: is very suspicious with these pill like casings or whatever

491
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: in her colon. It's very suspicious, very suspicious, and it's

492
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: hard to do that by yourself, you guys, right, like

493
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: it's hard for herself an enema, right, I mean, can

494
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: you I don't even know. I've never even done one.

495
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but maybe I don't know. Guess call

496
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 3: eight three one crime.

497
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 5: If you have a personal or anecdotal experience, we want

498
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 5: to be.

499
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: Possible to give yourself a spot story.

500
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 7: Yes, right, we're getting off the rails, but I would

501
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 7: because we're not. Let's ask Betty. I do think it's

502
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 7: possible to do both my medical opinion, and it is

503
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 7: possible that if you wanted to kill somebody, doing it

504
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 7: through that manner is possible.

505
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 3: Listen to these talkbocs have us giggling, so listen.

506
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 7: I don't want them coming. The phones are ringing off

507
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 7: the hook right now, so listen. We want to hear

508
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 7: from you. Eight eight eight three one crime. There is

509
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 7: no topic that you can't ask them. Wow, no, go

510
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 7: for it, bring it, go big or go home. In fact,

511
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 7: go ahead, boys, let's go for another.

512
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 14: I personally feel like Nicholas go to John should not

513
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 14: be serving unlikee sentence. I believe that he was coerced

514
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 14: and that there's a lot more that goes into it.

515
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 14: I find it ridiculous that Gypsy Rose Blanchard can rebrand yes,

516
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 14: and the person she convinced to murder is going to

517
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 14: live his life in prison.

518
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she didn't leave her name, but thank

519
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: you for the talkback. So Nicholas go to John. Obviously

520
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: for those who don't know, Gypsy Rose's boyfriend that she

521
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, coerced into killing her mother, DEDE. Blanchard, that's

522
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: her name, right.

523
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 7: That is currently a mother. Was no walk in the park, No,

524
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 7: of course, fully.

525
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ded was. She had munch chair and by proxy,

526
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: which of course is you know, horrible disease and it

527
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: makes you hurt your children for sympathy basically by saying

528
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: that they've got all these medical problems and getting all

529
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: these medical procedures done and just so that they get attention.

530
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: And Gypsy was a victim of that. Well, Gypsy met

531
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: Nicholas go to John on the internet because she was

532
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: sneaking online and you know they fell in love, and

533
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: you know, Nicholas go to John has an IQ issue.

534
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: He he's got a very low IQ. I know, he's

535
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: been diagnosed with other things. Let's see, I can't remember

536
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: what those are at the moment. But he is, you know,

537
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 2: he's vulnerable. He's a vulnerable guy. And and she convinced him,

538
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: you know that, you know, she was being tortured and

539
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: I believe she was telling the truth about that. And

540
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: he was, you know, not okay with that. You know,

541
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: his girlfriend is being tortured by you know, her mother.

542
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: And Gipsy was like, we have to kill her so

543
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: we can be together, basically, you know, I'm paraphrasing. And

544
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: Nicholas gotajehan did he She gave him a knife, She

545
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: stole a knife.

546
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 10: She gave me to.

547
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: Mail him the knife. She like mailed it to him, No, she.

548
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: Did, okay, so after the murder, she mailed it to

549
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: his home where they were going. Yeah, so they wouldn't

550
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: be traveling with it, which is quite smart actually, but

551
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: it was in her. You know, they've got it. And anyway,

552
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: Nicholas Gojean got a different sentence than Gypsy Rose did

553
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: because Gypsy Rose didn't actually do the actual stabbing of

554
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: Dede Blanchard. Nicholas Gotojohan did.

555
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 7: She was in the other room.

556
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 3: She was in the other room and telling him. She

557
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 3: told him everything to do.

558
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: But Gypsy Rose is out in being you know, living

559
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: her best life and you know, getting married multiple times

560
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 2: and having children and getting facial surgery and dyeing her

561
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: hair and rebranding herself and living her best life. And

562
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: Nicholas Gtejean is still in prison forever. And I think

563
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: the talk back is right. I think I agree, and

564
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 2: I've said this many times too. I do agree, and now,

565
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: by the way, I think both things can be true.

566
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: I also I like that Gypsy is.

567
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 7: Having a moment and going away and being quiet for

568
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 7: a hot minute. She's had a baby, as you mentioned,

569
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 7: she's been married a.

570
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: Couple of times. I don't know.

571
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 7: Like the I do feel like the social media thing

572
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 7: has to stop. Yeah, the TV show has to stop,

573
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 7: Like you know, we're glorifying and giving a spotlight and sensationalizing.

574
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: I think she knows we're on to her. I think

575
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: she knows on to her and she's running scared.

576
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: That's my opinion only, yes, Okay, So Nicholas Votajan was

577
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: reported to have been diagnosed with ASD, which is autism

578
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: spectrum disorder, and of course the Asperger's syndrome which has

579
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: been folded into the autism spectrum disorder diagnosis and schizophrenia.

580
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: I just wanted to.

581
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 7: And additionally serve like seven years, right, she was seven

582
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 7: years Yeah?

583
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Just one more thing about Nicholas go to John

584
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 5: was also and this was well publicized and in testified

585
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 5: to that he has more of the mind of a

586
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: child than an adult, that he functions the equivalent of

587
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 5: a ten year old, and he has an IQ of

588
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 5: eighty two.

589
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 7: Right, Like, So those two were like I was playing,

590
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 7: they were like dressing up and cosplaying, and you know,

591
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 7: she was in a wheelchair. She had been, you know,

592
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 7: given these treatments by her crazy mom.

593
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: So I do feel for Gypsy Rose.

594
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 7: I wonder what Gypsy thinks about it, like if she

595
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 7: was asked, and I feel like I've watched everything about

596
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 7: her and I've somehow watched every episode of everything she's

597
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 7: ever done, and I do I'm very conflicted about it. Also,

598
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 7: I wonder what she would say about his sentence in

599
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 7: comparison to hers.

600
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: Has she ever spoken out about that.

601
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 7: I'm curious because he is getting a raw deal, and

602
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 7: he did fall under her spell, just like you know,

603
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 7: the mom was terrible. But he's looking at a real

604
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 7: long time behind Mars and yeah, she's you know, living.

605
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: I think, I think, I don't know. I haven't listen.

606
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: When Gypsy was released, the first thing, you know, she

607
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: went on some podcasts and she was talking about the

608
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: size of her husband's you know member yeah, and I

609
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: was I was really disgusted. I was like, oh my god.

610
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: So I did not pay attention to her after that,

611
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: Like I have not been following, you know, her shenanigans.

612
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: I just see her on social media and I'm just

613
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: scroll past it, and she just was everywhere, everywhere, everywhere,

614
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh. And now she's like,

615
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: oh now I want my Space. Yeah, because you know,

616
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: we're onto you. You know that the crime scene photos

617
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: have been publicized and pushed out. We know how brutal

618
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: the attack was. You know, we're learning a lot of

619
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: things about Nickolish, Fota John and so like, basically, America's

620
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: onto you, and now you want to go hide. That's

621
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: how I feel. That's my opinion. This is not you know,

622
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: reflective on anybody else, just how I feel I.

623
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 7: Will say I really like her dad as he wished

624
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 7: to dad and her stepmother. They seem like such decent

625
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 7: people who have really stood by her. I'm not sure

626
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 7: that I would have had the same. I don't strength

627
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 7: and fortitude to do that. And why they seem like

628
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 7: good folk and you know, hats off to them, and

629
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 7: she's very lucky to have them. And mostly you know, listen,

630
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 7: you got out of prison, go live your life quietly

631
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 7: and say thank you. But yeah, he really got left

632
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 7: behind in a trash deal in this.

633
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: I agree.

634
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: So here's what Gypsy Rose said about Goda John. All

635
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: I can really say is that I did my time,

636
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: he's doing his time for his part, and I wish

637
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: him well on his journey. And that was in January

638
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four on Good Morning America. So she did

639
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: say something, thank you, taha.

640
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: Thank you taha.

641
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: And Gypsy Rose, I'm actually I'm morbidly curious to see

642
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 5: her the art she does with paint on the blow dryer.

643
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 8: Ar.

644
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I just want to I just wait, and

645
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 5: I feel like a shamed saying that she does looked.

646
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stephanie literally put some paint on.

647
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 5: A paper and you blow dry that guy, and it's

648
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 5: allegedly super relaxing and centering.

649
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: This is Gypsy Rose's own words.

650
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: So I just I want to peep at some of

651
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 5: those pictures.

652
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 7: I did not listen. I say, I've been watching, but

653
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 7: apparently I missed the artwork phase. I was watching her

654
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 7: in her like stroller phase, struggling to figure out how

655
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 7: to you know, become a mom. And you know, she

656
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Speaker 7: has had a scandalous little you know, relationship happening, and

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Speaker 7: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we wish them well, but

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Speaker 7: I agree Nicholas should have some mercy.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and in real quick, I'll just tell you when

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Speaker 15: you were out, I made a mistake about this, so

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Speaker 15: I'll repeat it. Gypsy had launched a new creative art

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Speaker 15: venture called Blown Beauty Art. I assumed it had to

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Speaker 15: do with hair drying, but it's actually she used as

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Speaker 15: a blow dryer to create art. So that's what that's

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Speaker 15: what she's doing now.

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Speaker 7: Sounds ridiculous, it is.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we have to all be like it

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Speaker 2: doesn't just sound ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a fian Gypsy. Sorry, no, no one's a fan.

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Speaker 7: Listen, everybody deserves like she had been through a lot

671
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Speaker 7: that Rose was like reduced to a wheelchair. She was

672
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Speaker 7: you know, her teeth were falling out. Her mother was

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Speaker 7: feeding her comment essentially like literally feeding her like liquid bleach.

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Speaker 7: So you know, she did serve a lot of time prior.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, I'm not advocating for what she's done,

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Speaker 7: but it is a complicated one.

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Speaker 2: It is I don't know. I just yeah, whatever she can,

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Speaker 2: she can fade away.

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Speaker 5: I'm giving back to another talkback, yes, and actually if

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Speaker 5: you want to call us live as well, we would

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Speaker 5: love to hear from you. We're at eighty eight three

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Speaker 5: one Crime, True Crime tonight.

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Speaker 16: Hey ladies, it's Amsley calling from Canada. Thank you for

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Speaker 16: your podcast recommendations and of course I've already listened to

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Speaker 16: your other podcast that you've made about Amy Bradley's case.

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Speaker 16: But I don't understand is how one of the captains

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Speaker 16: or the cruise directors was saying, you know, we can't

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Speaker 16: stop the ship and we're going to port because there's

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Speaker 16: one person who is missing. If I was on that

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Speaker 16: cruise and someone was missing, I would have been very

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Speaker 16: happy to not port. Anyways, looking forward to hearing you tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: By that is so true.

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Speaker 3: I couldnot agree more.

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Speaker 2: You know that that whole scenario is getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of feedback from the public. In fact, somebody reached out

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Speaker 2: to me about a petition that they've created to get,

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Speaker 2: you know, some sort of standardization on these cruise lines

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Speaker 2: to you know, basically halt operations when somebody goes missing.

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Speaker 2: Apparently they don't apparently they don't like the vacation keeps going.

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Speaker 3: It's the I mean, it's the facade. It's the facade.

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Speaker 5: And you know, as we talked about the Amy Bradley

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Speaker 5: documentary that you referenced it had.

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Speaker 3: It was I forget tava.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you could double check where it is and

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Speaker 5: what it's called, but it was really really been blowing up.

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Speaker 5: And this cruise yes, no, no, no, no, the Amy Bradley.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the Amy Bradley. I'm sorry, but you went after

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Speaker 2: you're talking about another one. Okay, sorry, by no. So

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Speaker 2: that this woman went on a cruise with the family.

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Speaker 2: She was in her mid twenties. She disappeared, and when

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Speaker 2: her family frantically went to everyone who worked on the cruise,

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Speaker 2: they said, you know, sorry, they wouldn't even make an

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Speaker 2: announcement because it was early in the morning.

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Speaker 3: They said, oh, it's seven o'clock. People are resting.

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Speaker 5: We don't want to disrupt them.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, then it became too close to the disembark time,

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Speaker 2: so they were getting too close to port and in

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Speaker 2: the family was like, can we halt you know the porty, Yes,

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Speaker 2: of course and disembarking because you know, our daughter and

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Speaker 2: sister is missing. And the cruise director basically is like,

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Speaker 2: we can't halt the vacation of two thousand people because

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Speaker 2: of your daughter.

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Speaker 5: I'm fair of phrasing. I'm paraphrasing no, but I mean

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Speaker 5: that's very, very close. And you know, the is, remember

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Speaker 5: it's the law of the sea is incredibly complicated and confusing,

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Speaker 5: and basically the captain of the ship, who is an

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Speaker 5: employee of a multi billion dollar, multimillion dollar at least,

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Speaker 5: you know, that's who's running things, and they want people

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Speaker 5: to have fun.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's crazius beyondest it is.

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Speaker 2: It is like I think, if something goes overboard, the

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Speaker 2: ship should stop, of course, you know.

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Speaker 7: And you would assume that, by the way, and as

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Speaker 7: a passenger, I would want that for somebody else if

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Speaker 7: my of course, my fellow cruise shipper something went awry,

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Speaker 7: of course I would want to help, of course hideous, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: of course. So we just are going kind of wild

738
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Speaker 7: right now, So keep the calls coming eight eight eight

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Speaker 7: three one crime. You could also leave us a talk

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00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 7: back on the iHeartRadio app, or you could just leave

741
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 7: us a message on our voicemail, or you could also

742
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 7: hit us up in our socials at True Crime Tonight

743
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 7: show on TikTok and Instagram, or at True Crime Tonight

744
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 7: on Facebook. So Adam, Sam, bring it. Just give us

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Speaker 7: something completely wild.

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Speaker 3: We are we're going in for a.

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Speaker 17: Ready, Hey, True Crime Tonight. This is Jeff from Connecticut.

748
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Speaker 17: I heard you talking about the chimp stories the other day,

749
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Speaker 17: and we had one in my hometown. A local lady

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Speaker 17: was feeding and growing up her pet chimp and she

751
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Speaker 17: was giving it Xanax and wine.

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Speaker 3: And when we.

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Speaker 17: Moved up to the area, I heard the news story

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Speaker 17: all over that it ripped someone's face off and attacked

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Speaker 17: everyone had to euthanize it. And I just don't think

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Speaker 17: that that's fair, that we should be treating animals like humans.

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Speaker 7: Love Jeff, whoa Jeff from Connecticut that was in chim Crazy.

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Speaker 2: They talked about that in chim Crazy, And I remember

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Speaker 2: when this happened.

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Speaker 5: I'm so hot, Jeff, I am, I am. That's horrifying.

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Speaker 2: The owner, her friend came over to the house and

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Speaker 2: they were going somewhere and her chimp was with her,

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Speaker 2: and for what a reason, the chimp went literally crazy

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Speaker 2: on this her friend and like ripped her face off.

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Speaker 2: She she survived, she survived, and she went on I

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Speaker 2: think Oprah or like I.

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Speaker 5: Was gonna say, it was this a long time ago? Y, yeah,

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Speaker 5: and I do remember her on Oprah and yeah, and.

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Speaker 7: Jeff, you're correct, I recall her is so smart and astute,

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Speaker 7: because yes, this chimp was being treated like an adult

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Speaker 7: human and being fed like cheerios and booze and yeah,

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Speaker 7: and then there were surprise that it acted out.

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Speaker 2: The dad died like her husband, which was like very

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Speaker 2: close to this this chimp. I can't remember the chimp's name,

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Speaker 2: but after the I think, I think, and I might

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Speaker 2: be getting some details wrong, but I'm going for memory.

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Speaker 2: And you know, of course, this was de stabilizing to

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Speaker 2: the chimp and kind of went down from a hill

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Speaker 2: from here. Listen, these are not these are not creatures

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Speaker 2: that we need to keep as pets. Oh pease, please, please,

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Speaker 2: please please Their pack. They they belonged, they belong with

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Speaker 2: their families. You know, they're not supposed to be in cages,

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Speaker 2: and you know, dressed in overalls and you know, rainbow

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Speaker 2: striped T shirts. This these are these are smart mammals.

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Speaker 10: There.

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Speaker 2: They use they communicate with one another, they use tools

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Speaker 2: like come on, can we like in fifty years people

788
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Speaker 2: are going to look back at this time and just

789
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Speaker 2: think we're so barbaric for the way that we treat

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Speaker 2: these mammals, that whales at SeaWorld. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 2: don't get me started, but like you know, I just

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Speaker 2: it drives me crazy that these people think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is their baby. No, this is a wild animal.

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Speaker 2: This is a wild animal that deserves its freedom, and

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Speaker 2: we humans need to stay away from them.

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Speaker 7: Have you guys ever seen the cutest little monkey though?

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Speaker 7: Bbe the monkey, Like no, no, it's like Bebe's like

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Speaker 7: a little like it's not really a monkey. I don't

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Speaker 7: know if it's like a little guy. It's like a

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Speaker 7: little And then he does get dressed up. Oh now

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Speaker 7: that I'm thinking, I mean, listen, I mean that pops

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Speaker 7: up on my feet and like he like gets himself dressed.

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Speaker 2: Get it alicated animal. Get a yeah or bird? Come on,

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Speaker 2: like enough with the wild animals already, you know we're

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Speaker 2: you're not God, stop it.

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Speaker 3: Birds are very complex animals too.

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Speaker 5: All lived with a cockatoo who is very very very

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Speaker 5: smart and means so much stimulation and things to do.

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Speaker 3: And in the cockatoo.

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Speaker 5: Wait, my husband came with a cockatoo and yeah, they

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Speaker 5: lived for like seventy five years. He was in Wade's will.

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Speaker 5: Actually the bird Junior, Yeah they live bird Junior, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Junior bird.

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Speaker 2: Very cute.

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Speaker 7: Okay, listen, we're going to be back. It's talk back Tuesday.

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Speaker 7: Shout out to bb the little cutie. But listen and

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Speaker 7: Junior may he pressed in peace. We'll be right back

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Speaker 7: through Crime tonight. We're talking to crime all the time.

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Speaker 7: And listen, we're so excited that it is talkback Tuesday.

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Speaker 7: That means we exclusively get to hear from you. It

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Speaker 7: is a stacked night of talkbacks, so listen, please jump

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Speaker 7: in join the conversation eight eight eight three one Crime.

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Speaker 7: And if you've missed any of the show No Sweat,

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Speaker 7: you could always catch us right after as a podcast.

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Speaker 7: So talkbacks, let's go, which one should we get next?

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Speaker 7: Out room.

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Speaker 11: Hi.

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Speaker 18: My name is Cricket and I'm calling from Connecticut. You

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Speaker 18: guys are talking about dark tourism and the Manson family

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Speaker 18: tour and it reminded me that when I was in

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Speaker 18: my twenties eons ago, I actually looked into renting the

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Speaker 18: Lobbyanca and in the end.

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Speaker 10: Decided that that was a little too creepy for me.

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Speaker 10: But I thought that was an interesting you know what,

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Speaker 10: What was.

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Speaker 3: You rented for?

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Speaker 7: Though? I wonder, like for in a ca Asian like

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Speaker 7: a wedding, maybe to stay and look at Airbnb stay. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: oh I see see. I say, now.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm so happy that other people are willing to

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Speaker 2: admit that they're kind of they would do this right.

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00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: So the LaBianca house, for those that don't know, this

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Speaker 2: was where the Charles Manson family killed a bunch of

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Speaker 2: people and it was it became like this really like

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Speaker 2: famous house. I think it's gone now, isn't it. Didn't

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Speaker 2: they tear it down.

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00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 3: It's torn it's torn down.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, this was if you can picture the crime scene,

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Speaker 5: it was helter Skelter written on the wall. Sharon Tate,

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Speaker 5: who is a big actress at the time, she's nine

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Speaker 5: months pregnant exactly right.

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Speaker 3: She was nine months pregnant and was murdered, and I cricket.

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Speaker 5: I also love that you, uh, you know, called in

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Speaker 5: about that dark tourism.

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Speaker 3: It's been. We've gotten quite a few people who are sort.

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Speaker 5: Of calling or leaving talkbacks because dark torum is tourism

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Speaker 5: is for when you go to a place that's a

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Speaker 5: little bit macabre or where something happened. And example, as

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Speaker 5: we gave Present Day, there's a Jeffrey Dahmer wore you

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Speaker 5: can take as an example as sort of the darkest.

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Speaker 3: That's as dark as it gets.

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Speaker 7: That's as dark as I think that one should be

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Speaker 7: on the tour. I feel like because everybody said yes

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Speaker 7: to that tour, I was gone that day.

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Speaker 3: I was busy moving.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think that's a I don't think that's

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Speaker 7: a great pop example of it because like I don't

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Speaker 7: know why, but that just seems like.

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Speaker 5: I feel like one person actually trying to remember who

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Speaker 5: It wasn't me, but someone did.

871
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Speaker 7: But okay, so now we go to the Helter Skelter House.

872
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 7: I just would be too afraid to stay there because

873
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 7: it could potentially be haunted.

874
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: So the isn't the I don't think the LaBianca houses

875
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: where Sharon Tate was was it was the husband and wife, wasn't.

876
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: It Wasn't it the neighbor or something?

877
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: I no, No, it was the second So they did

878
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 2: the Sharon Tates house the role in plan Ski House, right,

879
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: and then the next two nights something they went to

880
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: the neighbor. They were the ry cleaning people. I think

881
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: they were the husband and wife. This has just happened

882
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: so long ago. I don't remember, but I mean I

883
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: wasn't even lying.

884
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the issue with the doctors is if it's

885
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 7: one thing to drive by the house because you're curious,

886
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 7: and I get it. However, to stay in the house

887
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 7: there might be spirit or something scary in there that.

888
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 3: To me would be way too scary.

889
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 7: So there's no judgment. I but I give you a

890
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 7: lot of credit for even thinking about it.

891
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do we got next?

892
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: Hey, guys.

893
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 8: I loved hearing Body and Courtney talk about things they

894
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 8: found fascinating forensically and the new advances in forensic science.

895
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 8: One thing I find super fascinating is body farms and

896
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 8: the concept of body farms. One of my heroes is

897
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 8: William Bass, who founded the first one in Tennessee. I

898
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 8: would love for you guys to maybe talk about this

899
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 8: and talk about how these have helped in forensics.

900
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: On an episode one.

901
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: Day, I'm yours, Let's do it right now.

902
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 7: Had an interview with him on a different project and yeah,

903
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 7: he is like the godfather of the body you know,

904
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 7: the body farms in Knoxville. Yeah, he's the guy, right,

905
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 7: So remains very interesting for what it's.

906
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: Such a it's such a smart thing to do. So

907
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: for those that don't know, a body farm is basically

908
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: a research facility where scientists study human decomp under like

909
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: really controlled environmental conditions. Right, So what they'll do is

910
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: they'll they and they do this to understand the process

911
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: of decay and to help forensic science with CPIC with

912
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: crimes and you know, and determine what's a crime and

913
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: what's not a crime.

914
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: In you know, they'll do it.

915
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: You know, they'll bury someone, they'll let them do they'll

916
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: let them decay, you know, in the open. They'll put

917
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: them you know, in the water, they'll put them in

918
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: different conditions to see how those environmental factors change the

919
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: way the body decays. And usually people donate their body

920
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: to science to do this. In fact, the only reason

921
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: I even know about this was because of Casey Anthony.

922
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: And do you remember I don't know if you watch

923
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: Charge or not, but they did. They took air.

924
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: Do you remember that? Of course?

925
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: And so my mom bless her soul got rest in peace,

926
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: I will you know. I miss her very much every day.

927
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: But she wanted to donate her body to science and

928
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: for this body farm stuff. So I had to go

929
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: do all this research on body farms. And I was like, no,

930
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: we're not doing that, but it is. It is fascinating.

931
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: So you donate your body to science. They'll be placed

932
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: either above ground, buried, submerged in water, or left in vehicles,

933
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 2: let's say, to mimic real crime scene scenarios. And then

934
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: the researchers track decomp along the way. Fresh is it fresh?

935
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: Is they're bloating?

936
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 10: You know?

937
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: They'll just they'll examine the body decay every step of

938
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: the way, and they note it, and they pass these

939
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: things on to people in the field to make determinations

940
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: about how long somebody's been dead. You know, the insects

941
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: that have been found, the kind of insect casings, you know,

942
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: all those things that we kind of are fascinated by

943
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: a little bit, right, Yeah, it's civitally important.

944
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: They gather.

945
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 5: Yes, Stephanie, I have to know. I can't believe you

946
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 5: guys interviewed him. Anything stand out or is it under

947
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 5: wraps until the project's revealed that it's under wraps.

948
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 7: Stacy Lee, who is the director of a project that

949
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 7: we are working on.

950
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm about to talk about it.

951
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 7: But yes, Gus interviewed. And you know, listen, it's the

952
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 7: real deal. This is like the person who is like

953
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 7: the godfather of right and science is a real thing.

954
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 12: You know.

955
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: We see this from Joseph Scott Morgan.

956
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 7: In fact, Joseph Scott Morgan was the person who tipped

957
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 7: us off to talk to him at the body fire.

958
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: We should talk to Joseph about this on say, yeah,

959
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 2: I mean this is such an interesting subject. So from

960
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: my understanding, the first one was in Tennessee and Knoxville,

961
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: like you said, William, doctor William Bass. And then I

962
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: believe if there's one in Texas, in Colorado and either

963
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: South Carolina or North Carolina or Georgia one of those

964
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: you know, southern coastal states. But yeah, it's fascinating. I

965
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: really think they need to put one in like Nevada

966
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: and California. Two for more arid climates, right, because these

967
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: are very human climates, right, because climate will change how

968
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: body the case, two, especially if it's exposed to you know,

969
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: the elements. Anyway, I go off on a tangent, but

970
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: it's very fascinating.

971
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 7: I will say this, Like, you know, remember Courtney, we

972
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 7: did a documentary called Murdered and Missing in Montana which

973
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 7: really focused on you know, many deaths in missing girls

974
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 7: on Native American reservations, and one of them that we

975
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 7: were looking into, her body was sort of tossed over

976
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 7: a fence and left in the in the bright sun,

977
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 7: seemingly for days. Right, So the decomposition of her body

978
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 7: was a real tell because everything single thing that could

979
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 7: have possibly happened and in this you know big sunny

980
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 7: day now ad elements, ad bugs. It was fascinating and

981
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 7: so scary and creepy, and but it really was a tell.

982
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 7: There was so much science to it that my respect

983
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 7: is huge for the field, and I feel like we

984
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 7: learned a lot on that project.

985
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

986
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: Wow, I'd love to have him on the show. That

987
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: would be really cool.

988
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 7: I think we can do that Actually, I think that's again,

989
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 7: I think we can like, yeah, so.

990
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: Before really quick, before body farms, they would use animals,

991
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, of course, but animals don't have the same

992
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: properties right the body that you can do. So it

993
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: was only like you know, guesswork. This is much more

994
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: you know, scientific, and again it's very controlled, it's very professional.

995
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 3: It's it's a terrible.

996
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: Name for a very very important piece of forensic history.

997
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 5: It's an accurate name, and it's almost you know, it's

998
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 5: I don't know.

999
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: And this is a shout out to anyone.

1000
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: I've been yapping and no one here at True Crime

1001
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 5: tonight is with me and was obsessed with Patricia Cornwell

1002
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 5: for and all of her books. But anyway, Paulin, if

1003
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 5: you love her like I do, will chat about her

1004
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 5: book Body.

1005
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 3: Farm and all the others.

1006
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that. I never heard of it all.

1007
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's who do we?

1008
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1009
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: What's up next? Up?

1010
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 10: Hey girls.

1011
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 8: I know that you guys have talked a lot about

1012
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 8: Glean Maxwell and about.

1013
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 10: The subject of grooming in general. It reminds me a.

1014
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: Lot of the Pamela Smart case and I would love

1015
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: for you guys to cover it one day in a

1016
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: possible episode and where y'all take on it.

1017
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 10: Thank you.

1018
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 3: I was just talking about this today.

1019
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: That's so weird, Are you serious?

1020
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1021
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 5: Go ahead, remind me of you. Remind me of Pamela Smart.

1022
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 5: I don't jumped out of your skin just now.

1023
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: Well I remember this case so well, you guys are

1024
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: remember Pamela Smart. She was the teacher, she was like

1025
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: twenty two, she was married, and she hooked up with

1026
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: this like class one of her students. He was fifteen,

1027
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: he was like fourteen or fifteen years old, and basically

1028
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: he killed her husband. And then it comes out that

1029
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: he killed her husband for her, like she's in prison

1030
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: right now.

1031
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 3: By the way, not when I'm similar.

1032
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, this not so dissimilar to the Gypsy Rose thing.

1033
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 7: So basically this adult woman, well it's very different, But

1034
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 7: I'm just speaking about the idea of somebody putting somebody

1035
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 7: else up for the murder so that their hands remain clean.

1036
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,479
Speaker 7: In this case, this school teacher puts up this young

1037
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 7: student who you know, we could all agree probably his

1038
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 7: frontal lobe was not fully developed. He was a young student.

1039
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 7: She was a beautiful yet older woman, and then he

1040
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 7: kills the husband. But it was really by design by her.

1041
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 7: And you know, I'm curious about his sentence to this day.

1042
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: Are they similar? I'm going to find it.

1043
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but I do remember his name.

1044
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: His name was No.

1045
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: Her husband's name was Greg, and his name was like

1046
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: will Billy, Billy, I think, And he was a student.

1047
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: This happened in like nineteen eighty nine, or.

1048
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 5: This happened Okay, so this happened in nineteen ninety again

1049
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 5: I did. I would called the name yeah, and then

1050
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 5: the boys she was having an affair with, who was

1051
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 5: fifteen at the time. He was freed in twenty fifteen

1052
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 5: after serving a twenty five year sentence.

1053
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: Wow, so there were there were two others involved, like

1054
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: his friends. It wasn't just right Billy, Yeah, yeah, right.

1055
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: But you know, I remember being, you know, younger. I

1056
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: wasn't little. Why did I think I was little? But

1057
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: my mom was like addicted to true crime. Okay, like

1058
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: this is where I get it, Okay, apples and trees, apples,

1059
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: and this Pamela Smart story was on the cover of

1060
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: every really like Star magazine, World News, et cetera, et cetera,

1061
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: et cetera. And they were always all over our house.

1062
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: And I was I mean, you couldn't get away from

1063
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: this panel smart story. It was huge news. We should

1064
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: definitely cover this, I would.

1065
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 7: Why don't because yeah, and she has since, Like I

1066
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 7: feel like this was about a year ago. She kind

1067
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 7: of cop to it a bit and has come out.

1068
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: There was a kind of like a recent like either

1069
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: a documentary or a documentary part of a documentary series

1070
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: where it was a Pamela's smart story. And I remember

1071
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: she's got she got educated. She I think she went

1072
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: to college in prison and did a bunch of good stuff. Yes,

1073
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: but I don't remember she basically coped to it.

1074
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 7: I think she cops to it, and she sort of

1075
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 7: becomes a bit of an advocate and really kind of

1076
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 7: begins to turn her life around. So yeah, we should

1077
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 7: look into that a little bit deeper and do a

1078
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 7: deep diver in that one day.

1079
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: Let's do it. I'm all for it because that was

1080
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: a really interesting story. It's kind of part of my

1081
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: childhood a little bit. I mean, like that sounds kind

1082
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: of weird, but again, you know, this is what we

1083
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: would do. We would sit in the morning and I

1084
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 2: would eat my breakfast and my mom and I would

1085
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: read the Inquirer and Pamela Smart was what over it? Yes,

1086
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: Sar Star magazine do you remember that, Yes, because myma, yes,

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Speaker 2: And it was like I feel like Star was a

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Speaker 2: little classier than the Inquirer back then. But World News

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Speaker 2: that one was like the trash magazine. Yeah, and all

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Speaker 2: of them, the son Yeah it all.

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Speaker 7: Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 7: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lydecker here with

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Speaker 7: Courtney Armstrong and Body Movin, my two favorite ladies here

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Speaker 7: on a very wild talk back Tuesday. Talkback Tuesday means

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Speaker 7: you guys get to talk back. So give it to

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Speaker 7: us straight, tell us what you're thinking, give us your opinions.

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Speaker 7: Eight A eight three one crime. Gentlemen, let's go to

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Speaker 7: another one.

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Speaker 19: Now, Hi, ladies, this is Heather in North Carolina. I

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Speaker 19: love your show. I was wondering if you have heard

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Speaker 19: about and would consider covering the story of the Gilbert Goons.

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Speaker 19: Apparently this roving band of teenagers and Gilbert Arizona who

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Speaker 19: have just hijacked the town with their violence.

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Speaker 2: No, I never even heard of it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what this is that Gilbert Gilberting.

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Speaker 2: I am familiar with Gilbert, Arizona. I've been there, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know a thing about this.

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Speaker 7: What happens the whole town is taken over by violence?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that town that was getting threatened by clowns?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that?

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Speaker 8: That?

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Speaker 12: So?

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Speaker 2: Is it the same thing?

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Speaker 7: My very worst night there?

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Speaker 3: That what you just said. I don't even want to

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Speaker 3: talk about it.

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Speaker 7: That is so the idea of clown no, I hate

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Speaker 7: them petrifies me.

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Speaker 2: I hate them.

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Speaker 3: We should will totally dig into this.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm I had also not heard about it,

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Speaker 5: but apparently there's a bill out to make Gilbert Goon

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Speaker 5: style attacks felonies moving forward in Arizona State.

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Speaker 2: So what are Gilbert Goon style attacks?

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Speaker 3: Thoughts? Yeah, let's dig in right now strong again.

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Speaker 5: This is well, I'm quick with the google. It's just oh,

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Speaker 5: what is I mean? One of their I guess felonies

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Speaker 5: was in response to the brutal beating death of a

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Speaker 5: man at the hands of a teen gang called the

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Speaker 5: Gilbert Goons. Uh the Maripoka County. Yeah, attorney wants to

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Speaker 5: make group assaults on a single person felonies instead of misdemeanors.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, next, let's go easy to do it.

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Speaker 3: Let's do a deep dive on this. I think it's

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Speaker 3: a great suggestion. Thank you for the talkback.

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Speaker 2: Because schedule of things to look at I.

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Speaker 3: Have already written it down. I started looking into it.

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Speaker 15: This sounds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know in the past thirty seconds.

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Speaker 7: How much could we just do a little shout out

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Speaker 7: to ours and then control room? We have Sam and

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Speaker 7: Adam and you guys have not had the benefit of

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Speaker 7: meeting them verbally or physically yet, but they're just the best.

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Speaker 3: And Oscar.

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Speaker 7: We have the greatest team in the business, and they

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00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 7: make it such a joy to come here. We giggle

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00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 7: even in these very dark, dark dark conversations. You know,

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Speaker 7: it's just it's my favorite two hours of the night.

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Speaker 7: So thanks shout out to the guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he said likewise, but he's not going to say it.

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Speaker 3: I keep telling him to. But but in just.

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Speaker 7: One of these days, you're going to bring Rita, your

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Speaker 7: cat to the show, and we're going to meet her live.

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Speaker 3: Does Yo get along with cats? We might have your

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Speaker 3: best of friends.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think they'll be best of friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a Katny Mochi and Yogi and her

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Speaker 2: play all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I get that.

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Speaker 2: I get that, So more on that to come. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll look into the movie. Thank you for the tip,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for the tip. Yeah, definitely, Well

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Speaker 2: we like that. What do we go next.

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Speaker 5: Hi?

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Speaker 20: My name is Dianna. I'm from Georgia. I know you

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Speaker 20: guys are sick of Ditty, but.

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Speaker 3: I was curious, say, nobody.

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Speaker 20: System in place to monitor the bank accounts of the

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Speaker 20: jurors in a case like this, where he is so manipulative,

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Speaker 20: you have to wonder if maybe he could have gotten

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Speaker 20: to one of them.

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Speaker 3: No, I yes, by the way, that is yes.

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Speaker 7: Don't think that I haven't been thinking about Diddy, because

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Speaker 7: I have, but that is a great suggestion.

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Speaker 3: I've never thought of that.

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Speaker 7: There it had been alleged, alleged, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. I'm

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Speaker 7: trying to say that as much because I know it's

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Speaker 7: crazy making, but allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, Diddy's team was

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Speaker 7: paying influencers up to forty thousand dollars a pop to

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Speaker 7: put out social media posts that were very pro Diddy

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Speaker 7: obviously during the trial. And that's big business, right, So

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Speaker 7: you to have a lot of cash in her pocket

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Speaker 7: to be blown out forty thousand dollars her influencer. Can

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Speaker 7: you imagine.

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Speaker 5: Well, what's interesting about that in particular is think about

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Speaker 5: the circle that Diddy has swam in for literal decades,

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Speaker 5: and they had to in this moment pay out influencers

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Speaker 5: versus the crickets.

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Speaker 3: For everyone who had been.

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Speaker 5: To all these parties all his years or signed all

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Speaker 5: his labels, nobody, nobody.

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Speaker 3: Came out at all.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, remember at the very final hour,

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Speaker 7: what was our talk about she didn't give her name?

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Speaker 7: Did she give her name? But that's a really good

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Speaker 7: point because you know, remember that, Oh my god, can

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Speaker 7: I forget that that's my real name, Dana. In the

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Speaker 7: eleventh hour, there was some like confusion amongst the jurors,

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Speaker 7: right there was wonder that was like a little confused

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Speaker 7: all of a sudden, And the implication, the idea was

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Speaker 7: potentially that they had gotten to them because they weren't sequestered.

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Speaker 7: So if you're not going to sequester the jurors, you

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Speaker 7: should monitor their bank.

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Speaker 2: I disagree, I totally disagree. Then I wisten to them

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Speaker 2: if they sequester them charged for exactly I know, I know,

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Speaker 2: but imagine that it's a huge invasion of privacy. You're

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Speaker 2: already sacrificing so much to be on dury duty, and

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Speaker 2: now you want to monitor my bank account. That is

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Speaker 2: what Vordier is for.

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Speaker 7: What's Yeah, you said it so beautifully, just now said perfectly.

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Speaker 3: Thank you said it perfectly. But that's what that's for.

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Speaker 2: That's what for, you know, sussing out the jury, jury

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Speaker 2: screening is for. And like, there's massive privacy protections that

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Speaker 2: need to be in place, and monitoring somebody's bank account

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Speaker 2: is a massive violation.

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Speaker 7: Of that massive did he slammed it pretty but in cases.

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Speaker 2: Like this were influenced In cases like this though, where

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Speaker 2: influencers can be paid and whatnot, jury should be sequestered.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked that that didn't happen. That's the first thing

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Speaker 3: I am to number number two.

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Speaker 7: Did he's been quiet, right, So we're gearing up for

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Speaker 7: the fall where you know he's going to have his

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Speaker 7: his sentencing. Dare I say? And also he's slapping some

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Speaker 7: lawsuits left, right and all over the place. You know,

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Speaker 7: I believe it's news nation right that he has tossed

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Speaker 7: another lawsuit at and yeah, yeah, there's been several that

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Speaker 7: have been come in the way. So and look, he's

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Speaker 7: still hoping that Trump is going to pardon him. I

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Speaker 7: just saw Mark Geret interview YEP, and Mark Garrett's attorney

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Speaker 7: is saying, like, yeah, did he will pledge allegiance to Trump?

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Speaker 7: Even though did he has said many awful things about Trump.

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Speaker 7: Now he will change his theory and he will pledge

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Speaker 7: his allegiance to Trump, and Trump may in fact pardon him.

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Speaker 3: This is the world. We live in a circus.

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Speaker 7: The Handmaid's Tale. Honestly, like we are all just I

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Speaker 7: don't know, but.

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Speaker 5: Stephanie, you said, did He's been quiet lately? They have

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Speaker 5: done five appeal to get his next next child date

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Speaker 5: pushed up. I would not consider that in the press

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Speaker 5: though he hasn't been making any big allegations. He hasn't

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Speaker 5: been like, you know, they could be a little louder

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Speaker 5: right now. I think they're kind of quietly playing by

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Speaker 5: the roles a little bit behind the scenes. And I

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Speaker 5: haven't seen much of his family.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to True crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm body

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Speaker 2: movin and I'm here with Stephanie Leidecker and Courtney Armstrong

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Speaker 2: and we are right in the middle of Talkback Tuesday.

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: If you want to join in on the fun, download

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app, search for True Crime Tonight, click the

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Speaker 2: little microphone and leave us a talk back in Boom,

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Speaker 2: you're going to be on the show. Speaking of talkbacks,

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Speaker 2: let's go to another one.

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Speaker 12: Hey, y'all.

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Speaker 6: To be wondering where the couple.

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Speaker 7: They must be multi billionaires because serracy is very expensive.

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Speaker 5: So where are they getting all this money?

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Speaker 7: Yes, to have multiple women, Yes, bring your babies.

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Speaker 2: Love you great work, Oh, love you too, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: We love you too. I mean, that story was insane.

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Speaker 2: And don't and don't forget they were named like Mark

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Speaker 2: Circusy Investments. So did they have an investment company like

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Speaker 2: the city selling the babies? No, they're keeping them. Well, Hi,

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Speaker 2: for what purpose? We don't know.

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Speaker 5: Well, we don't know, so we will be Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 5: keep such a huge story.

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Speaker 3: Good question. And there are so many questions.

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, and all these they had like twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, twenty one children, most of them were

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Speaker 2: anywhere between the ages of one and three. So were

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Speaker 2: they raising them to be groomed or something? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but it's hell it's hello weird.

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Speaker 3: That's all I know.

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Speaker 2: It's hello weird. It creeped me out.

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Speaker 21: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Stuff with kids just really it freaks me out. I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'll be so curious when more stuff comes out. Gig.

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Speaker 5: To your point, who was funding it or was it

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Speaker 5: self funding? And were these children? Was the master plan

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01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 5: to have them all grow up and all be one

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Speaker 5: big happy, you know, twenty three person family or something

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01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 5: more nefarious, although that in itself is pretty nefarious.

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Speaker 3: I mean twenty ye toddlers sanely, so I like to

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Speaker 3: say the word nefarious like, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, this is all that wants too, so like all

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Speaker 2: at once they have all these surrogates. I mean they

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Speaker 2: probably have like six or seven at a time. That's

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Speaker 2: a big money and reaching it on Facebook. Hey want

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Speaker 2: to be my surrogate.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. DG.

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Speaker 2: That is it's such a weird story, And thank you

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Speaker 2: for the talk back.

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Speaker 3: It's just strange tangent.

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Speaker 7: But the optimom I recently went down the octomom tangent and.

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Speaker 2: My dad was obsessed with her.

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Speaker 3: I had forgotten about the octomom.

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Speaker 7: Dad.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening, it's weird.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Well she actually pulled it off, you know, I

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Speaker 7: have to do. I turned my vote around on the octomom.

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Speaker 7: I might have been judgmental back in the day. But

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Speaker 7: her kids turned out great. They did, They really did.

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 7: I think she remained quiet. She somehow pulled it off

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01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 7: despite whatever messiness I remember in the Donnie Who days, right,

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01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 7: or oh, we'll remember the Sally Desira fail days like

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01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 7: that was such a hot topic and it was so messy.

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 3: But her kids turned out really exceptional. So I don't

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Speaker 3: know how I remember her story.

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Speaker 2: She wasn't pregnant with the eight kids at once, was she?

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01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 3: Yes, she was. She delivered eight children at one time.

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01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 7: I think she had gone to her fertility clinic and

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01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 7: despite her her parents thought she was probably nuts at

1315
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 7: the time, she did in fact have these children and

1316
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 7: had to do all kinds of terrible things and hard

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01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 7: things and made some rough choices to be able to

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01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 7: put you know, food on the table. But now fast forward,

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01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 7: you know, fifteen twenty years later, those kids turned out

1320
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 7: really great. I'm not suggesting anybody should be having eight children.

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: Follow it in her path, Yeah, I.

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01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 7: Know, But for whatever it's worth, that could go sideways obviously,

1323
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 7: but it wasn't sur legacy. She carried these children, right,

1324
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 7: she carried them. I think it was fertility treatment.

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01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 15: Wow, you're correct, and they're sixteen years old now it

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01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 15: looks like yeah.

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01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: I think she lived in my dad's neighborhood or something

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01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: in Orange County and.

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01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 5: Your dad's bringing over eight loaves of brand at a time,

1330
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 5: like need me to help.

1331
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: He just really was fond of her for some reason.

1332
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's sort of yeah, must have.

1333
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 7: Liked her because she was very apparently. I don't know

1334
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 7: why or how. I haven't followed it super closely, but

1335
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 7: I just slightly went down the rabbit hole recently and

1336
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 7: she seems like she.

1337
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 3: What youre doing?

1338
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 7: Going down in octousm Sometimes you can't sleep, you know

1339
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 7: you try, Sometimes I can't sleep.

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01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 3: Little octomom.

1341
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 5: Well, Lollia, well listen, keep it here because after the break,

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Speaker 5: we are continuing with more talkbacks on this talkback Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: That is you joining us or give us a.

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Speaker 5: Call eighty eight to three one crime, keep it here,

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01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 5: True crime tonight, or we're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 3: I love this cue.

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01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 7: It's like a little chippy and a little exciting and

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01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 7: a little suspicious. Welcome back to true crime tonight. We

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Speaker 7: are talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

1351
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 7: here with Courtney Armstrong and body move in. And we're very,

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01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 7: very excited that it is talked Back Tuesday, which means

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01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 7: we get to hear from you the entire night. So

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 7: we're paying talk back listener, roulette. We are unprepared for

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 7: any of these questions or theories or ideas. By the way,

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01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 7: this last one about these what is it called the

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,879
Speaker 7: Gilbert Gilbert goons?

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Speaker 3: None of us have heard what a scary one, even

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01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 3: on a level. I'm excited to dig one.

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 7: Actually, that was a great suggestion, so keep them coming.

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Speaker 3: We have talk backs.

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Speaker 7: Let's go to another one because we had to jam

1363
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 7: through so many.

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Speaker 3: Come on, bring it on, Adam and Sam.

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Speaker 16: Hi, ladies, it's Ainsley calling from Canada.

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Speaker 10: Oh lovely, I.

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Speaker 16: Was wondering if you could walk through the roommate statements

1368
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 16: from the stay case. Thank you again, of course.

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01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: So there's two surviving roommates of the Idaho student murders.

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Speaker 2: There's Bethany and Dylan, and we can start summarizing. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with Bethany Bethany was on the first floor. She

1373
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: was down there alone when the murders took place. She

1374
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 2: was the only one on that floor living on that

1375
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,919
Speaker 2: floor at the time. So she said, I'm just gonna summarize.

1376
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: She said, she was on the second floor in the

1377
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: living room watching Vampire Diaries with Dylan and somebody named Elle.

1378
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 2: We don't know who Ell is. So around two o'clock

1379
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 2: in the morning, Kaylee and Maddie came home from the

1380
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 2: Corner Club, and you know, they had visited the grub

1381
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: truck and they were all just sitting around Bethany and

1382
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 2: let Bethany and Maddie took out Murphy the dog around

1383
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 2: somewhere between two and two thirty to go to the bathroom,

1384
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: and then Bethany went in the kitchen. She said it

1385
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: was too cold to stay outside. Madison was out there

1386
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 2: with Murphy alone. Bethany got a drink and some chips,

1387
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Speaker 2: and she went down to her room.

1388
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: She watched.

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01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: Baby Daddy on her iPad for a little bit. A

1390
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: short time later, Madison knocked on her door and was like,

1391
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: I can't find Murphy, which is interesting and something that

1392
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: not a lot of people are talking about. Madison couldn't

1393
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: find Murphy. And this was around two thirty in the morning.

1394
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 2: Around that time. Later that night, you know, around four

1395
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: o'clock or so, she was woken up. She heard the pong,

1396
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 2: like a disturbance at the pong table, the beer pong table,

1397
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 2: and she thought what she saw was like a sparkler

1398
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: under her door and a firecracker sound.

1399
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Speaker 3: And then she.

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: Started calling the roommates, Dylan, Bethany, et cetera, et cetera.

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01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 2: And we we learned that, you know, of course, her

1402
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: and Dylan were texting like did do what's going on?

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01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 2: You know, come down here, come stay with me. They

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01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: were scared, they were scared. Well, we later learned that

1405
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 2: Dylan ran down to her room, as we know, and

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01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 2: Bethany kind of talked her out of calling nine one one, like, oh,

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: you're probably imagining things, you know, that kind of thing,

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01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: which is really sad because you know, Dylan has taken

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01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 2: a lot of crap from a lot of people, right,

1410
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: both have, they both have. We hate it, we hate it, right, So,

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01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 2: from Dylan's perspective, she was in her bedroom around four

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01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, she heard what she believed was Kaylee,

1413
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: I'm going to repeat this again. She repeats it many times,

1414
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: Kaylee saying that there was somebody here. She then heard

1415
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 2: like a commotion and someone running down from the third floor,

1416
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 2: which I believe was Brian Coberger. She heard somebody come

1417
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: down the stairs, and a short time later she heard

1418
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: that person say you're fine, I'm going to help you.

1419
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: A few minutes later, she peeked out her room and

1420
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: saw a male figure approximately six foot tall, slim build,

1421
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: wearing a black ski mask. He had a big nose

1422
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 2: and bushy eyebrows, and he walked past her and he

1423
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: was carrying like something bulgy, kind of in the shape

1424
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 2: of a vacuum or an arrow, an arrow shape, and

1425
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: then she saw him go through the slider and then

1426
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 2: she shut her door, and she said she locked it. Then,

1427
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: of course we know this is when the texting starts

1428
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: happening between Bethany and Dylan, and Bethany says, well, come

1429
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: down here, you know were so Dylan is saying there

1430
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 2: was a man, and there was He was wearing all black,

1431
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 2: and Bethany says, well, Sannah was wearing all black. So

1432
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: from that I could surmise Bethany's trying to call him.

1433
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: Dylan down right, Oh well, Sannah was wearing all black.

1434
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: You probably just saw Sannah come down here, you know,

1435
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: And we later learned that.

1436
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1437
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 2: In fact, Bethany was saying to Dylan, you're you're probably

1438
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 2: imagining this. You're drunk, Like, just let's go to bed.

1439
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: So they went to bed and woke up, and that's

1440
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 2: when they called Hunter and Emily. That's basically a summary

1441
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 2: of their statements.

1442
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 3: And prior to that, also, they were calling up to

1443
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 3: the girls, right yea, so here they are.

1444
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 7: They're waking up, you know, they called their one of

1445
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,839
Speaker 7: them called their parents and they start calling.

1446
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:40,520
Speaker 3: She had a toothache.

1447
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bethany had a toothache and she was tooth was

1448
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: She called her dad and she was like, what should

1449
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: I tell you? And he was like advil and she

1450
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: did and she took the advil and then she's saying,

1451
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 2: are you guys up?

1452
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 3: Are you guys up? So again it's a total implication.

1453
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 2: And then it's there were you know, do you remember

1454
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 2: waking up with the hangover and then like you shoot

1455
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: out of bed like, oh my god, I can't believe

1456
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 2: I did that. I just I embarrassed myself last night.

1457
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 2: I can't believe, I said, I think that's what was happening.

1458
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: They kind of woke up and they were like, wait

1459
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 2: a minute, I saw a guy. I know, I saw

1460
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: a guy.

1461
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 8: You know.

1462
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: It's like flashing, and then they I can't start freaking themselves.

1463
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 7: In a house where there's many of them, so it

1464
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 7: would it be completely uncommon for there to be a

1465
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 7: guy in the house. It could have just been a

1466
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 7: friend that was coming over, you know, So like I

1467
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 7: think you get a little conditioned to activity in your

1468
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 7: house when you're living in a house off campus with

1469
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 7: many people in.

1470
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 3: A college vibe.

1471
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 7: And yeah, then they start texting upstairs to you know,

1472
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 7: to Kaylee and Madison, are.

1473
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 3: Are you up?

1474
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 8: Are you up?

1475
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 7: Are you up? So they're not thinking that they're dead,

1476
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 7: they're thinking that they had a sleep.

1477
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 3: I think it's time they start by. They are kind

1478
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 3: of things, they're starting.

1479
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 7: To freak out, and then they're like, you know, it's

1480
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 7: just it's just so sad.

1481
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 2: Our hearts just are so broken for you know, if

1482
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 2: if by any chance, you know, this gets to them,

1483
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: you know, you did nothing wrong, of course, nothing you

1484
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 2: could nothing you nothing you could have done that night,

1485
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 2: of course would have saved them. Right.

1486
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 3: In fact, Thank God they're safe, thank God.

1487
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 2: And you know what, you know, sometimes I think some

1488
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: of these people who just can't let it go would

1489
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 2: only be happy if they were dead too. I'm at

1490
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 2: that point with this, that's what it would only be

1491
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 2: happy if they were dead too. I look deep within

1492
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 2: yourself at this point. These were young young women nineteen

1493
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:19,480
Speaker 2: years old.

1494
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,879
Speaker 7: Nineteen years old, and we were just talking about this yesterday.

1495
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 7: You know, you know this is like survivor's guilt a

1496
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 7: little bit too, yes, like we were to allow some

1497
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 7: grace and some decency. They've been through so much. Yes,

1498
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 7: their lives very easily could have been taken. It's actually

1499
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 7: bananas that it.

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01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 3: They weren't. Wow. So here's what I think.

1501
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: God, I think Murphy was barking. We can hear it.

1502
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 7: He got me kind of frazzled.

1503
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: We know from the blah blood I'm sorry, the blood

1504
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: droplets on Xana's floor, the perfectly round rud right in

1505
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: front of her door. That Brian Coberger was standing there

1506
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 2: for a hot minute. Okay, Now, was he waiting for

1507
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: Murphy to be quiet so he could get out of

1508
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 2: the house like was he? I think he was overstimulated.

1509
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: He has autism, and I think he was getting overstimulated

1510
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 2: with everything that was going on and he had to

1511
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 2: get out of there. He knew he had to get

1512
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 2: out of there, and that's why Dylan survived. I think

1513
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: Murphy kind of maybe saved Dylan's life.

1514
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 7: Oh little Murphy.

1515
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 3: God bless Murphy, Thank God is alive well.

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01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 5: And as she said, you know, thank God that thank

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01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 5: those two roommates and just wishing them well on life's journey.

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01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 3: Yes, and we're going to do amazing things.

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01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 7: This is an incredible, incredible, horrible loss for them.

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01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 2: They were very close with the route, They were very

1521
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: close with the victims. The victims would want them to live.

1522
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 7: Their life exactly exactly and live them without any distractions

1523
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 7: right outside world. And hopefully this starts a new chapter

1524
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 7: for them specifically.

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01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope so too. It's a complicated thing. We

1526
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 3: had Whitney Galloway, who we mentioned last night our hero.

1527
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 7: It's because you know, she came on the podcast the

1528
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 7: Idaho Massacre to kind of talk about survivor's guilt and

1529
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 7: just how intense that is, Like it's a Postmark PARTU.

1530
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 7: I would assume I don't know what that experience is like,

1531
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 7: but you know, there's a level of emotional distress that

1532
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 7: happens thereafter that kind of can't be put into words,

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01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 7: I'm told. So again, I hope everybody just offers some grace.

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01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, well okay, I mean, shall we go with heavy hearts?

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01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 3: Should we go to one more talk back?

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01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 21: Let's do it, Hi, ladies, It's Stephanie from Bama. Much

1537
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 21: love to you all, Sousy Banks. First, I just want

1538
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 21: to say I know that some of these topics can

1539
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,799
Speaker 21: be extremely heavy at time. Y'all are doing an awesome

1540
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 21: job and I'm so glad that I had y'all to

1541
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 21: listen to five nights of my week. Yes, I used

1542
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 21: to work on the Ambulus's primary and I'm on one response,

1543
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 21: so I understand the gravity of what y'all are reporting on.

1544
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 21: And I love how y'all can find something to laugh

1545
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 21: about even after a pretty heavy topic. Finding a way

1546
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 21: to laugh about things helps me mentally. Anyways. Second thing, nobody, girl,

1547
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 21: I am so ready for you to watch the new

1548
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 21: Delphi murders documentary. I want to hear from me about

1549
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 21: on this. This would also be an awesome doc for

1550
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 21: your crime club. Anyways, I love you, ladies, Love the

1551
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 21: show and shout out to Taha love.

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 8: You and.

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01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 2: Oh shoot, first of all, thank you so much, thank

1554
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 2: you so much, because you know what, this is a

1555
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 2: very heavy and sometimes I think, you know, you know,

1556
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: we're talking about all these really dark things, and I

1557
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 2: know that when I kind of feel a certain way,

1558
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 2: I get nervous and I laugh. It's just how I

1559
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 2: do instead of crying or you know, I'll laugh, and

1560
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 2: I think it's just a reaction. And you know, we all,

1561
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 2: every single person takes us very seriously and our hearts

1562
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 2: are always heavy. So if we do laugh about something,

1563
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 2: I hope that nobody thinks it's disrespectful in any in

1564
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: any capacity. But this is so hard to talk to

1565
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 2: about five nights a week, right, right, ladies, Like this

1566
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: is just a really difficult thing to talk about. So

1567
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 2: we have to find some lightheartedness throughout this, you know.

1568
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: And plus it's kind of a Debbie downer to be

1569
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 2: listening to a show for two hours, five nights a week,

1570
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 2: where you know, we're not throwing some kind of dark

1571
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: humor in there.

1572
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 7: Right And by the way, for somebody who works in

1573
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 7: the business too, by the way, that is a great

1574
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 7: talk back.

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01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 3: Shout out to Taha and body.

1576
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 7: I'm dying to see this documentary too, and to talk

1577
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 7: to you about it. So should we like add that

1578
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 7: in Courtney's facocta party club?

1579
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 3: What are we doing here? She Courtney always calls it

1580
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 3: a book club, which we know it is not my

1581
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 3: person even haven't waiting one?

1582
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 7: Can we in the middle club?

1583
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1584
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 2: I appreciate you in the middle of your move, and

1585
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: we didn't want to start it without.

1586
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 7: You, and I couldn't get behind. I missed the whole

1587
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 7: cruise ship one. I know this story and I studied it,

1588
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 7: but I didn't catch it. The move killed me. But no,

1589
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 7: it didn't kill me. It gave me life.

1590
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 3: I take that. I take it back.

1591
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 7: But let's let's do the Delphi as the first thing

1592
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 7: in this unnamed body club.

1593
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 3: What do we call it? We're gonna We're gonna just.

1594
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 7: Give me a stink eye? Wait, what's is?

1595
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 5: I think much to come tomorrow night for everyone? There's

1596
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,839
Speaker 5: much in the works on the name of this club.

1597
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 5: So the work, yes much, so listen and it's come

1598
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 5: in to a close so quickly. By the way, that

1599
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 5: music also makes us all crazy.

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01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 7: I wish you could see everybody is dancing hits air

1601
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 7: at this point, everybody, even in Taha, the boys, Sam

1602
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 7: and Adam, everybody had their.

1603
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 3: Hands up Sam's break dancing.

1604
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 7: It's not like really he warms my heart anyway, thank

1605
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 7: you for all the calls. By the way, we were

1606
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 7: just discussing the last talk back. So apparently we can't

1607
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 7: do del Fi the new documentary as our first like

1608
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 7: kickoff to whatever. This crime Watch Crime Watch show is

1609
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 7: no Courtney, you just named it. That's not all. Now

1610
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 7: you're throwing your vote.

1611
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 3: It's we just can't.

1612
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 7: But no, so body is saying we cannot do it

1613
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 7: because she's too much of an expert on it, and

1614
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 7: this is saying that's not the word you want to use.

1615
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 3: But you are an expert on it. I get it.

1616
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: It's just that I feel like, if I mean listen,

1617
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 2: I feel like if we were talking about it, I'd

1618
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 2: be like, that's not what happened.

1619
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 3: And yeah, I would be like, that's not how because

1620
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 3: you know whatever, Because.

1621
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 7: I understood it's too close to home it and I

1622
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 7: talking about pun or any of us about I. So

1623
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 7: we have to find one that is kind of a

1624
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 7: neutral documentary for all of us to watch together, all

1625
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 7: of our crime club together. We're going to watch look

1626
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 7: at House Clapping right now, and we're going to name it,

1627
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 7: and we're going to create a swell and we're all

1628
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 7: going to watch together. By the way, I haven't had

1629
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 7: a TV for a week and it's the.

1630
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: Death of me and it's unimaginable.

1631
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 7: Lifeline. So I'm dial mayn coaches. I am ready to rumble.

1632
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 7: So once we name the club.

1633
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that tomorrow. About tomorrow on

1634
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 2: the show Counting the Minutes. Yes, you and I are

1635
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: going to talk about the show. We're going to name it,

1636
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna pick up. We're going to maybe

1637
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: you know what if you have if you have time,

1638
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 2: leave us a talk back or call call us and

1639
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 2: leave us a voicemail and give us a recommendation of

1640
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 2: what documentaries, what hot new ones that he haven't seen

1641
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 2: yet that we can watch together and talk about on

1642
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: the show, I think, And if you have.

1643
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 3: A book for the name of it.

1644
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 7: Apparently Courtney Armstrong already gave us hers Crime Watch, which,

1645
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 7: by the way.

1646
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 5: I was just describing the process that was an accidental

1647
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 5: crime Watch is not I think, yeah, says at all

1648
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,719
Speaker 5: frankly way to be this way, to be so smart.

1649
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 3: So here's talkback real quick.

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01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 16: I'm just wondering for Stephanie, what is the difference between

1651
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 16: a megalomaniac and a narcissist and how does that present

1652
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 16: in crime? And maybe for a future episode you ladies

1653
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 16: behavioral scientist on to talk about the different personalities. I

1654
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 16: would love that, I would crime anyways, looking forward to

1655
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 16: listening tomorrow.

1656
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 3: Oh that was so great. We should have a great idea.

1657
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 7: Yes, we're gonna listen him in hand right now, we

1658
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 7: are writing that down. I think that is no megal maniac.

1659
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 7: Jim Jim Clementy. I've interviewed him as.

1660
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 2: Well on this podcast.

1661
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 7: He's great, he's the best actually, So noting that, and

1662
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 7: then Courtney, do you want to give you a definition

1663
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 7: for the megalomaniac versus the narcissist.

1664
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 5: Yes, megalomaniac is one of my favorite words. So narcissist

1665
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 5: to who everyone talks about a lot. It's that's kind

1666
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 5: of you know, it's very self centered and on your

1667
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 5: personal achievements and you need a lot of you have

1668
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 5: a lot of self importance. And then the megalomaniac is

1669
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 5: a more severe and also it's delusions of power and

1670
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 5: it's more really like you are the center of the world.

1671
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 7: Sin yes, Manson would be an example.

1672
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, megalomaniac. Yeah, it's just it's you know, someone who.

1673
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 5: So that's that's the main difference, is the power hungry

1674
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 5: and delusion.

1675
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 7: But let's do that great talk back. By the way,

1676
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 7: what a great night. Thank you everything for all of

1677
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 7: the great parts of that was so much fun. And

1678
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 7: here's the team. We're crazy about you, crazy about you girls.

1679
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 7: We'll be back tomorrow, so big headline to come. Make

1680
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 7: sure you tune in tomorrow. If you miss any of

1681
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 7: the show, catch the podcast. This is true Crime tonight.

1682
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 7: We're talking true crime all the time. Goodnight bye, good night,