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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're digging

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Speaker 1: into the archives for picks of me throwing the javelin

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Speaker 1: of my life. It's Wednesday, October eighth, and on today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be chatting with l J Raider, the man behind

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Speaker 1: the uber popular Art but Make It Sports social media account.

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Speaker 1: We discuss what inspired him to start the account, why

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Speaker 1: he's releasing next year, and the women's college volleyball app

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Speaker 1: he's working on, plus the Phoenix Mercury look to make

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Speaker 1: things interesting. In Game three of the WNBA Finals tonight,

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Speaker 1: Naviisa Callier gets back on the mic and MNBA Commissioner

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver enters the chat. It's all coming up right

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Speaker 1: after this welcome back slices. Here's what you need to

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Speaker 1: know today. In hoops. Game three of the WNBA Finals

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Speaker 1: between the Las Vegas Aces and the Phoenix Mercury is tonight.

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Speaker 1: The Aces currently hold a two zero lead in the

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Speaker 1: best of seven series, after taking full advantage of playing

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Speaker 1: is in Phoenix for tonight's matchup and for Game four.

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Speaker 1: If the Mark can't take care of business this evening,

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Speaker 1: we could see a sweep for the Aces on Friday.

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Speaker 1: You can catch tonight's action tipping off at eight pm

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Speaker 1: Eastern on ESPN. And if you're playing catch up on

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Speaker 1: the series, take a listen to our interviews with Cindy

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Speaker 1: on the Kathy Engelbert and a Fisa Collier Saga Collier

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Speaker 2: I never had planned to do that before you know,

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Speaker 3: Negotiations for our meat.

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Speaker 1: We weren't seeing a change that our leadership was trying

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Speaker 2: And I think I just got to the point where

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Speaker 1: Nothing unreasonable about that. We're now twenty four days out

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Speaker 1: Speaking of words, for those who don't know, a chiron

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Speaker 6: And just to sum it up, please do not point

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Speaker 1: Everything she did was brave, was courageous, was.

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Speaker 6: Exactly what we've come to expect from somebody like herself,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of this might be a very organic moment to

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Speaker 1: We didn't necessarily plan this for today, but it feels

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Speaker 1: Thanks Obama, because we're beloved, Misha is leaving us now.

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Speaker 1: They have a good reason. They used to work for

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Speaker 1: Higher Ground, the Obama's production company, and they have been

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Speaker 1: It's not for you. Do you have one week to

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Speaker 6: I'm very sad to be leaving. I'm very sad that

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Speaker 1: That's cool. So the sports side, where'd you grow up

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Speaker 1: So you're working at sports radar what happens that inspires

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Speaker 3: or Twitter, being like, why are you posting this a

436
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Speaker 3: women's sports event, and I think the community that I've

437
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Speaker 3: grown they sort of see the world the same way

438
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Speaker 3: that I do, and that sports are sports and it

439
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: doesn't matter who's playing it. But I am I'm definitely

440
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Speaker 3: proud of the fact that, like I don't know, the

441
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Speaker 3: community trust me to post whatever I think is I

442
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Speaker 3: deem worthy of posting, And to me, I think of

443
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Speaker 3: anything that's whether it's men's women's sports, regardless of what

444
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 3: sport it is, that's worth kind of putting out there.

445
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Speaker 3: I have a hard time now because of I guess

446
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Speaker 3: how much demand there is for people sending photos and

447
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: tagging me and things to kind of keep up with stuff.

448
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Speaker 3: It is helpful to get imagery from people as opposed

449
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Speaker 3: to me having to go and scour and find it.

450
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Speaker 3: So in that sense, I wish I could be doing

451
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Speaker 3: a lot more just across the board. But I've never

452
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Speaker 3: really thought about, you know, the kind of ratio between

453
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Speaker 3: men's and women's sports. Now I am so I wrote

454
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Speaker 3: a book which is fun and in that I kind

455
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Speaker 3: of deliberately spend time not just thinking about kind of

456
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Speaker 3: the number of men's and women's sports that are posted

457
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Speaker 3: in there, but just making sure just representation across the board,

458
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Speaker 3: whether it's you know, female artists and you know artists

459
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Speaker 3: from underrepresented communities and times, just because that is also

460
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Speaker 3: a part of art history and so definitely made like

461
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Speaker 3: conscious decisions there in that. But on the on the

462
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Speaker 3: day to day just whatever I see that's you know, artistic,

463
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Speaker 3: I'll throw out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the book's called the Art but make it

465
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Speaker 1: sports epic matchups where art and sports collide. It'll be

466
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Speaker 1: released in March of twenty twenty six. How much writing

467
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Speaker 1: is there in it? Like, do you tell the story

468
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Speaker 1: of some of the artists or the sports moments or

469
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Speaker 1: is it more like the visuals?

470
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Each page has releast some texts, some

471
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Speaker 3: more than others. I I wrote everything myself. I didn't

472
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Speaker 3: use any AI. I don't know how good the writing

473
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Speaker 3: actually is. There's some old posts in there that I

474
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Speaker 3: feature a kind of just talk my talk through my

475
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Speaker 3: process and things that you know, people might have missed

476
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Speaker 3: because there aren't necessarily just visual connections. There's some new

477
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Speaker 3: ones in there. It was fun to be able to

478
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Speaker 3: tackle some more historic photos because yeah, nowadays it's just

479
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm posting mostly live stuff. And I don't have time

480
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Speaker 3: to go back and reference old stuff, so the book

481
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Speaker 3: gives that a lot of a lot of real estate.

482
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Speaker 1: Amazing. Do you have to worry about copyright infringement? Do

483
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Speaker 1: you have to get the rights to each piece of

484
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Speaker 1: art and photo you're using?

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the art works pretty straightforward. I only used

486
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Speaker 3: art that was part of the public domain. You can

487
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Speaker 3: get rights to newer art, but it's very expensive, just

488
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Speaker 3: not from like a legal perspective and having a not

489
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Speaker 3: an area that I wanted to poke. So so on

490
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Speaker 3: that front, very straightforward. And then on the sports imagery side,

491
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: I worked with Getty and then a few other folks

492
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Speaker 3: that specialize in licensing sports images, and they made it

493
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Speaker 3: super easy, and frankly, I think they understood the project

494
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Speaker 3: and what I was trying. You'd say they were super helpful.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you talked about how the internet is

496
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Speaker 1: full of people stealing content, passing things off as their own,

497
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Speaker 1: Like you've long made sure on every post of yours

498
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Speaker 1: that you credit the photographer who took the photo. And actually,

499
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: for a lot of fans, they can actually kind of

500
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Speaker 1: figure out what you might be working on next because

501
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: they see you replied to a team or a league

502
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Speaker 1: asking who took this photograph so you can make sure

503
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Speaker 1: to give credit. Why are you so committed to giving credit?

504
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Speaker 1: Why is it something that you seem to know from

505
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Speaker 1: the beginning was important to what you're doing.

506
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Speaker 3: When I worked at roode A World right, they kept

507
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: a very high editorial bar, and what you would do

508
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: with the blurbs is a piece of news would break

509
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Speaker 3: and you would give that piece of news and then

510
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: you'd give your opinion on it. And every time that

511
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: you posted, you needed to make sure that you you

512
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: sourced your news. You couldn't just say you know, this

513
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: thing happened without saying who said it happened and where

514
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Speaker 3: it came from. Uh So I think I had that

515
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: I had that foundation sort of in me of you know,

516
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: you you have to credit where where something comes from.

517
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: I also think that the the point, the whole point

518
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: of the account is to not just highlight art, but

519
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: highlight sports photography. When I use sports photographs and there

520
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: are super creative people that work really hard to capture

521
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: those photographs, and I see them just as much as

522
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Speaker 3: artists as the you know, fine art artists that I reference.

523
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Speaker 3: So just like wouldn't I don't know, wouldn't feel right

524
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Speaker 3: to just use an image without knowing where it came

525
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Speaker 3: from and who took it. So yeah, I think I

526
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Speaker 3: guess it's become a little bit of like a tag

527
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Speaker 3: on Twitter. It is a little frustrating that, uh, you know,

528
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: these these schools and Team Stone some do, but on

529
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Speaker 3: the whole they kind of just post the image. I

530
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: know they have the rights to do that, but having

531
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Speaker 3: to chase attribution is it takes a lot of time.

532
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Speaker 3: But I'd also like it's just become I think a

533
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Speaker 3: big in the sports photography community that where if I

534
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Speaker 3: if I posted an image and didn't say where it

535
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: came from and I was the person that took the image,

536
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Speaker 3: I'd be pretty pissed.

537
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean I love the idea of the

538
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: book being an opportunity for people to be exposed to

539
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: art in a way that might be a little bit

540
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: of a bridge if they're not going to museums a

541
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Speaker 1: lot or not opening up books of art history. And

542
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Speaker 1: I know, for me, like I found I learned a

543
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: lot of really curious and quirky and interesting stuff from

544
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: watching like Hannah Gadsby do stand up, where she was

545
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Speaker 1: an art history person, and she was bringing in her

546
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Speaker 1: thoughts about historical artists and their work and you know

547
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Speaker 1: some of the ways that we actually view them and

548
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: don't even really critically think about what we're looking at.

549
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Speaker 1: One of my favorite sections is where she's like, why

550
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: are women always just standing around with like one tit out,

551
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: like this is not a thing that women do in life,

552
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Speaker 1: and yet somehow every piece of art is just like

553
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: ladies standing around a garden with half their dress falling off,

554
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: and like, sometimes you just need to see it differently.

555
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Speaker 1: And one of the cool things about your work. And

556
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Speaker 1: you went on Pablo Torre's podcast, Pabulatory Finds Out and

557
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: they kind of tested you to make sure that you're

558
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: not just dropping things into AI and you say, there

559
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: is no use of AI at all. It's coming off

560
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: the dome. But that comes from you understanding artists a

561
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: lot of the time to say, this person looks like

562
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Speaker 1: the kind of figure you would see in Rubin, This

563
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: looks like the kind of strange, weird thing that might

564
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Speaker 1: come up in a Picasso statue. Like you're using that knowledge,

565
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: and I feel like people reading the book might start

566
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Speaker 1: to see trends or understand art a little better by

567
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: virtue of using those same tricks and tips that are

568
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Speaker 1: living in your brain. Do you work on that to

569
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Speaker 1: stay sharp to make your matches. Do you read about

570
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Speaker 1: different artists and their trends or is it all sort

571
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Speaker 1: of like a visual learning for you?

572
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Speaker 3: Yeah, majority is visual, but I definitely do a ton

573
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Speaker 3: of reading, and I like to understand like who an

574
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Speaker 3: artist contemporaries are or were to be. Like, Okay, if

575
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Speaker 3: you know this artist maybe puts a slightly different spin

576
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Speaker 3: on on what this other artist does. Just a ton

577
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Speaker 3: of consuming, whether it's you know, reading books or Wikipedia

578
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: or going to museums. I just I don't know. I

579
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: just love I love art and fine art, And yeah,

580
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 3: I think you're like the idea of like an artist's

581
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Speaker 3: style and being able to, like I can see a

582
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Speaker 3: sports image and then maybe not know the exact painting,

583
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Speaker 3: but know the style that matches. I also think it's

584
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Speaker 3: a fun parallel because I do think there's like distinctions

585
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: in the sports world too, of you know, athletes that

586
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Speaker 3: have unique styles that you could start to recognize. I know,

587
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Speaker 3: I see on on Twitter there's sometimes like viral videos

588
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: of basketball players that are like blacked out as they're

589
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: shadow and then shows the clip and people have to

590
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: guess who the employer is. And you can get it

591
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: because you can understand the style and the movement. And

592
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: so when people will talk about how like art and

593
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: sports are, you know, you're sort of taught growing up

594
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: these you're a jock or you're a you know, an

595
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: art kid, and very like much opposed. But when you

596
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: actually spend time together with them, you kind of realize

597
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: they're the same thing. Their their motion, they're you know,

598
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: artists practice, athletes practice, they develop styles, and I think

599
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: you know, the account resonates because you can kind of

600
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: just you can see it.

601
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, do you know offhand a couple of your

602
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: posts that have the most likes of all time are

603
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Speaker 1: the ones that have gotten the biggest.

604
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always the ones that are just like low brow,

605
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: how rewarding. Right, NBA Finals, there have been a bunch

606
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: of the blown up. It's usually times when people are

607
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: all on their second screen experience. So like the share

608
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: the shared experience of watching a big, big game. Olympics,

609
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: tons of Olympics ones blew up. That's that's that's a

610
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: ton of fun for me, Like all the like Simone

611
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: Biles posts just when like everybody's tuning in it at once.

612
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like the lowbrow ones do well, and

613
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: then the like abstract ones tend to do well if

614
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: they're good, just because I think you can really mess

615
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: with somebody's head if you can get them convinced that,

616
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Speaker 3: like this sports image looks like this abstract painting.

617
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Speaker 1: So do you have a few all time favorites just

618
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Speaker 1: personal favorites.

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Speaker 3: I just think about the the Olympics. There's there was

620
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Speaker 3: the one other guy on his surfboard and he's like

621
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Speaker 3: riding awave and his pants fell down, so his asses out,

622
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Speaker 3: And that's I did to Bosh's Garden of Earthly Delights,

623
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: which is like a massive painting, tons of figures and

624
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 3: there's like this guy riding a fish in it with

625
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: his ass down. That's one I'm trying to think like

626
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: I like doing. Joan Mitchell is one of my favorite artists,

627
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: and she always comes up with hockey just because you've

628
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: got like lots of condensed bodies of colors and they're

629
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Speaker 3: sort of wispy, and I just get excited when I

630
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: see something that could fit into her theme. I'm trying

631
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Speaker 3: to think of like favorite favorite posts. I don't know,

632
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: it's it's cliche, but it's kind of like the next

633
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: one because sort of like an addiction to make them,

634
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Speaker 3: and which is also why I always find it funny

635
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Speaker 3: when people say that I'm I'm using AI and it's like, no, like,

636
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: the the dopamine hit that I receive from coming up

637
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: with the match is what I am chasing, chasing anything else,

638
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: nothing else matters. So yeah, it's like whenever I see

639
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Speaker 3: a fun sports image and like can come up with something,

640
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, that that made me happy.

641
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Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a couple of favorites I'm in a

642
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Speaker 1: shout out and we'll link to these in the show

643
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Speaker 1: notes so y'all can click to them. Very recently, Sid

644
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Colson post surgery was matched with Woman on her Deathbed

645
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Speaker 1: by Elizabeth Walker. That was a great one, and you

646
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Speaker 1: know Sid's got a sense of humor, so she loved

647
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Speaker 1: that one. I'm sure Paigebackers and Hayley Jones watching their

648
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: coach Chris coklanis drop a play was paired with the

649
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Speaker 1: mother and sister of the artist Berth Morisot. Is that

650
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Speaker 1: how you say that?

651
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Speaker 3: Because I don't have actual art history experience. I don't

652
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Speaker 3: have pronounced names because I've never actually said them.

653
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Speaker 1: I've just yes, they're all just written. Yeah. Well, I'm

654
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: sure someone will call in and tell us if we're

655
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: getting it wrong. That's pretty much guaranteed. The Trinity Rodman

656
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: Pink Hair Flip, which was just an outstanding photograph, so

657
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: I really should be shouting out the photographer too. But

658
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Speaker 1: you paired that with an untitled piece by Hilma f Clint,

659
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: which was amazing, the Rose lavel yelling. It was like

660
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: an Edgar Degas called Singer with a Glove, which is

661
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: just great because Rose just kind of looks like a

662
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Victorian era woman at all times, and that in particular

663
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: she had this very dated Degas sort of glossy, vague

664
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: look about her somehow even though the photo was in focus.

665
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: That was a great one. And then yet another Pagebackers

666
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: with Chris co Klanis, where she's sort of staring into

667
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: space as if she'd rather be anywhere, but there was

668
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: matched with the Irritating Gentleman by Bert Old Waltz. We'll

669
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Speaker 1: link to all those. And then one of my all

670
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: time favorites is the Michael Jordan Si cover over the

671
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: Blue and you actually sent me a canvas of that

672
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Speaker 1: pairing which I have in my house, which is awesome.

673
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Speaker 3: Clifford, still with you you saying all those it did

674
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: remind me actually of my I think favorite favorite post,

675
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: which is Kelly O'Hara got like cleated in the side

676
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: and then they were all like pointing at it and

677
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: that one that was years ago to that one popped.

678
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll link to that one too. It does feel

679
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: like there are a fair amount of matches from religious art,

680
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: and that kind of feels like a fertile ground because

681
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: often somebody's head is lying in somebody else's lap, somebody

682
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: is being cradled by Mary or Jesus or someone else,

683
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: or there's some sort of massive aggrieved party who has

684
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: been stabbed, cleated or otherwise. So there's a lot there

685
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: that you seem to get.

686
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 3: Sports is a religion, so for some people.

687
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: The research shows that for many people it is as

688
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: much a part of their identity as their religion. It's

689
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: why we say we instead of they. We truly believe

690
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: it's a part of us. And for folks like you

691
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: and I who are Chicago Bears and New York Giants fans,

692
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: that doesn't always work out great for identities. What's the

693
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: most excited you've been to hear from the subject of

694
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Speaker 1: one of your posts.

695
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: I always get pumped when I see like a like,

696
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 3: like a comment from an athlete that's featured, especially when

697
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: they're like, what is this? I think Andre Drummond NBA

698
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: players slid into the d MS and was like, can

699
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: you make me one nice? Which was funny.

700
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask if you take requests.

701
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 3: If I guess, if you know a professional athlete is

702
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: reaching out, I'll spend a little bit of time, But

703
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's honestly, the best requests are the

704
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: best comments come from like people saying I like sports

705
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 3: and my partner likes art, and this is the only

706
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: thing that we can talk about, or you know, like

707
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: comments from like grandmothers who are like, this is the

708
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: only account that I like following other than my family

709
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: and those I don't know, those teachers being like I

710
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: use this in my curriculum to teach kids. I get

711
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: a ton of those, which is great, like teach kids

712
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: about art and get them to appreciate art. Definitely a

713
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: little bit more on the scale of probably importance than

714
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: Andre Drummond, but I did. I did get a chuckle

715
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Speaker 3: out of sliding in the DMS.

716
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Speaker 1: Well as for a request, I feel like you could

717
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: certainly monetize it if people were allowed to. It's sort

718
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: of like cameo, except for their sending in their loved

719
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: ones in some sort of photo that has become a

720
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: joke for the family or the friend group or otherwise noteworthy,

721
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: and you flip it into art. You could monetize that.

722
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: Just an idea, just.

723
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Speaker 3: Something that they could bring the holidays. Oh good commissions.

724
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: I just like kind of post about it informally, and

725
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: in past years it's just been like pay whatever you want,

726
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 3: and that's been like nice.

727
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the holidays are approaching, so everybody who's listening,

728
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: you get your family and friend photos the most embarrassing

729
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: you can find. Get them. Ready. Speaking of teachers, Alex

730
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: actually shared she did a whole presentation on art but

731
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: make it sports Back in the day, Alex tell us

732
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: the about this little project quickly.

733
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Speaker 4: Well, I absolutely love knowing that lj's all time favorite

734
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 4: post is the one that I copied. So back in

735
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, I audited Drawing one oh one at

736
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: the University of New Hampshire and our final project was

737
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: to copy a famous work of art, and I was like, well,

738
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: can I copy a famous work of art being copied

739
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: by a famous moment in sports? And so I made

740
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 4: a whole PowerPoint presentation which I'm happy to link to

741
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 4: in the show notes, which include lots of my favorites

742
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: at least as of twenty twenty three. And it was

743
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: so cool to be in a class with the other

744
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 4: college students and see them engaged.

745
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: With my presentation.

746
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 4: Like I have to say, I think I got the

747
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: most questions of any other student. And people just had

748
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 4: never seen art portrayed in that way, and I think

749
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 4: for them to realize, like, oh, this thing that I

750
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 4: love sports can also be combined with this thing that

751
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: I love art was a really rewarding experience for me.

752
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: That's so cool. Yeah, we'll definitely link to that so

753
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: people so people can check it out. I have a

754
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: couple more questions. You've ever gotten a nasty response based

755
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: on one of your matchups from the subject or some

756
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: of someone related to.

757
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: Them once or twice, not even just just being like

758
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: this account is dumb, not even related to the actual

759
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: and then like the actual thing that I do, But

760
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: I think in terms of if I looked at like

761
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: the volume of positive comments compared to like the handful

762
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: of negative ones, it's yeah, it's like ninety nine point

763
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent, But I do let the negative ones

764
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Speaker 3: get to me. So I got it.

765
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Speaker 1: We all do. It's literally how our brain is wired.

766
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: It's so that you know, if we see a snake once,

767
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: we remember where it was, so we don't die by it,

768
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: as opposed to remembering the flowers we see every time.

769
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Speaker 1: Do you ever worry about being offensive culturally or otherwise?

770
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: Like do you have to think about whether there's context

771
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: to either the art or the photograph that you're missing?

772
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: And do you ever not post stuff because you're like,

773
00:40:59,440 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: I just don't know.

774
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: I'm getting that right, Yeah, all the time, And a

775
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: lot of it is just sort of, I guess, intrinsic

776
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: to the process of, you know, coming up with it.

777
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: There are times where I'll paying a friend and be like,

778
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: talk to me about this, what should I do? Sometimes

779
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 3: they're purposefully offensive and maybe not a offense, it's not

780
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: the right word, but like they stir the pot in

781
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: a way, but in a way that I'm comfortable with.

782
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: There I started to, like because I just started getting

783
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: inundated with requests for for you know, political images and

784
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: non sports images, so I just spun off a separate

785
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: one for those. But those are obviously a lot more

786
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: I think if people fired up a.

787
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: Little niche, but then also more likely to enrage and

788
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: engage exactly. Okay, So now we've like dived into how

789
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: your brain works and how you combined sort of like

790
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: this visual presentation of like how do people consume sports

791
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: in terms of the product jobs that you've had, and

792
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: then presentation in terms of storytelling through something, and then

793
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: combine that with the art and everything else. Now you're

794
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: sort of taking it one step further, even with this

795
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: volleyball app that you and your buddies teamed up to make,

796
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: where you're critically thinking about how people consume and digest

797
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: something and interact with it. So tell us what this is.

798
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: This is like a very fascinating offshoot for me based

799
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: on the other stuff you've done.

800
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like the ARPA maked sports account very much

801
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: like a hobby in free time. But yeah, two buddies

802
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: of mine that I've worked with in the past sort

803
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: of what one is a massive women's college volleyball fan,

804
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: and then you know, we sort of looked at the

805
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: landscape of women's sports coverage and kind of realize that

806
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 3: there's a piece missing for fans of women's college volleyball

807
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: of sort of a getting live scoring and being able

808
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: to have a community and place to come together. I

809
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: think you had mentioned in the past episode a few

810
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: weeks ago of you know, kind of the lack of

811
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: a home for women's sports fans when it comes to

812
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: you know, being able to get your opinions off and

813
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: being able to meet other fans and that sort of

814
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: sense of community. I think originally Twitter kind of served

815
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: as that space, but as we've seen with that platform,

816
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: it you know, every day that goes by, it becomes

817
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: less and less of a place you probably want to

818
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: be and want to be hanging out. So, yeah, we

819
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: we started an app. It hasn't been released yet, but

820
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: we have a we have like a beta version that

821
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: the three of us are working off of. In the

822
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 3: in the next few weeks, it'll it'll be live. But

823
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 3: we do have a place to sign up, so I'll

824
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: shamelessly plug that. It's fanflaresports dot com so f L

825
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: A R E and flair for fan Flair sign up,

826
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: especially if you're a women's college volleyball fan. You'll get

827
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: a notification when the app is live. But we've got

828
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: live scores and box scores and then a whole place

829
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: to chat in sort of a social media Twitter like experience.

830
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Speaker 3: So we're super excited and it's been fun. I haven't

831
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: done much on it, frankly, my two buddies have done

832
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: the development. But my goals when it's live too, you know,

833
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: as you could probably guess them into social media and

834
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: sort of building things out there, and excited to kind

835
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: of grow that and interact with that community. I love

836
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: watching women's college volleyball. I don't know a ton about

837
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: it yet, and so I've started learning and it's been

838
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 3: cool the process.

839
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Speaker 1: Do you have a general idea of one that might

840
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: go live?

841
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, thinking like probably mid to end October.

842
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 4: So cool.

843
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, a few weeks.

844
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: Awesome fan flare like fanfare with an L exactly perfect.

845
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: That's so exciting. I love that, and I know we're

846
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: going to have some slices some listeners of this show

847
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: that I'd be really excited about having a place, and

848
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: I get the feeling we might see some Vanderbilt women's

849
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: volleyball painting matchups coming in the future now that they've

850
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: got a team.

851
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, volleyball. Volleyball is tough to meme, but you do

852
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: get sort of obviously like people flying around in art,

853
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: and so you get that in volleyball. Usually want to

854
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: like capture the ball too, and that becomes even harder.

855
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, pumped for Vandy Volleyball and excited to

856
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: have the app go live and cool people in there

857
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: and get their feedback.

858
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm no expert, but I feel like, beyond the angels

859
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: flying and other things in art, you could also look

860
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: at the extremely long, skinny levers in volleyball and find

861
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: some modern art that's just got like stroked and slashes

862
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: and things like that that look like the shapes that

863
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: they create. Cool. Well, we're excited for fan Flare and

864
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: excited for the book. You have so much going on.

865
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: Please don't stop doing all of the free labor of art,

866
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: but make it sports just because you have other jobs.

867
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Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, it's an antidote to everything else,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think across the board, it's all stuff that

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Speaker 3: really really excited about the community that's kind of rallied

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Speaker 3: around the account. Mostly thanks to you for getting that

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Speaker 1: For sure, Thanks for coming on. Thanks so much to

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Speaker 1: LJ for joining us and for making the Internet just

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Speaker 1: this time joining Juicy Couteur as a global ambassador and

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow for my conversation with

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Speaker 1: former US Olympic swim team captain and four time Olympian

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