WEBVTT - Draft Show_3_11.mp3 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:08.880 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.639 for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.000 confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star Infrasco. 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:20.040 And now your host, Zach Wolchuck. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.000 That is Zach Walchuck. He's over there. 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.240 He's doing a great job. He's on the show today, 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.400 but so am I. And we're good to go because 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.240 today we are forty four days away from the NFL 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.800 Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. It is Tuesday, March eleventh. 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.720 Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Light, the 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.760 only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:42.880 We have Brian brought us. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.239 We have Tommy Yarish, Nick Harris with Chris Beam in 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.160 the back of Kyle Yeomans and are famed Zach Walchuck 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:49.400 here as well. 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:50.920 Get the trim on the beard. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.360 You're looking great, did I was like, gosh, I gotta 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:54.440 try and keep up with kaf. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:56.320 You're growing that beard nicely as well. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.480 Grew it out before I did, so I did. I did, 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.440 but I needed to get it short lines the dad 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.800 beard ever since I had three kids. Hey, the strength 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.560 is real, bro, It's true, It's true. I'm trying to 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.840 just keep up with brought us the dad's strength he's 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.240 had for forty years now, not forty. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:15.480 He's locked in at the time, it's like thirty seconds, 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.280 you got de you only got this show goes really fast. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.479 He just gets trust here. By the day you. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.679 Said, we've got forty days, what do you talk about it? 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.720 Forty four forty four days? Forty four days? 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.640 And of course with Thomas amount of days. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.039 Exactly with a little bit of free agency talk here 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:32.920 of the last couple of days as well. I mean, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.480 this is starting to ramp up quickly. And of course 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.040 everybody's looking at these free agents. They're looking at the 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.360 signings and the non signings and the possible trade options. 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.440 But we're all kind of looking at it at how 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.640 the hell is this going to affect the NFL Draft 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.880 whenever it comes around in April. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:48.720 So brought us? 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:50.840 I mean, what type of what is this time like 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.360 from a scouting standpoint, when you're looking across the board 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.120 and you're saying, Okay, we don't have this guy anymore, right, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.080 but we have this guy? 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.360 Yeah, you know you kind of knew going into the 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.080 draft who you were probably going to have and who 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.880 you weren't going to have because you had the ideas of, like, okay, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.760 you have these meetings before actually free agents starts, and 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.959 so you're thinking, like, Okay, this is how our team 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.200 is going to be. I think right now what you're 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.080 seeing is a little bit of an influence from the 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.760 coaching staff, the new coaching staff. You know, if you 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.080 look at some of the uh, I know that we're 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.040 gonna I don't know, we allowed to talk about what 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.399 happened with the Jets today with that signing with Okay, Okay, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.919 I didn't got Yeah, you know, there's a there's some 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.040 connections there, and so you know that's something that you 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.920 kind of look at. You you had an idea of 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.639 really probably from Indianapolis, what it was going to take 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.160 to to keep Jordan Lewis, to keep Golst and things 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.680 like that. So you kind of know going into okay, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.240 we're probably not going to have those positions. Do we 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:54.079 need to address these other positions. I find it interesting 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.680 with the depth of the defensive tackle draft that the 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.320 way that they've they've they've you know, and I know 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.800 signing Osa was important to him, and you know, and 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.280 but also though with the Solomon Thomas one, you know again, 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.120 are they looking for depth at the position? It is 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.880 to me, is you know, you're you're taking money and 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.280 you're putting it towards uh, you know, you're putting it 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.680 towards a defensive line position where it is in the draft, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.959 and maybe they don't want to sit there and double dip, 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.240 like we've talked about in some positions, I would have 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.440 double dipped at tackle out of double dip probably at 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.359 running back too. But I think that, like I say, 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.160 they had an idea going in who they were going 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.320 to lose, and then now you kind of try and 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.760 make up some some positions there. Signing the guard as well, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.520 Robert Jones is a is another thing that probably uh 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.480 you know, is uh they looked at as a depth 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:42.200 piece as well. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.160 How about instead of double dipping at running back and 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.760 defensive tackle. I can entertain you on triple dipping at 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.520 cornerback triple I would. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.080 I would, I would absolutely, Yeah, I think the cornerback 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.920 I you know that to me, there's there's I know, 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.000 you guys boards probably the same as mine in the 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.080 way of the number of players you've seen, Uh, you know, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.320 there's clearly some guys that could play on the outside 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.840 and play inside as well. Yeah, you know, replacing Jordan Lewis. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.600 You know, it's not impossible here. There's some really good 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.600 players in this draft. You can truly address that with. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.680 It is really interesting that you do bring up the 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.039 double dip conversation, because if we were to have this 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.520 show last week and ask the question of what position 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.479 is most likely to see a double dip on, we 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.880 probably would have all said defensive tackle, running back, and 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.159 offensive line, and those are where they've spent the money initially, 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.960 right off the jump, Does that deter you from making 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.000 a premium pick in any of those positions? 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:35.479 I certainly don't think so. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.680 I think they can make a premium pick at all 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.920 three of those positions first, second, and third round. And 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.440 I still think i'd be okay even with the signing 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.000 of Javonte Williams and Robert Jones and Solomon Thomas. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.800 Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't think any 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.080 of this. I mean, look at guard. Maybe they're not 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:50.200 going to go guard in the first round. 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.080 Think they're be kind of telling us that at the combine, 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.320 And that's something that we kicked around as well. They 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.279 liked a lot of the guys. They wanted to see 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.880 some second year jumps, certainly from the rookies. You know, 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.080 Hoffman they bring back in the fold, let him compete. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.480 Maybe Jones and him are competing for that right guard spot. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.000 So I don't know that. Hey, maybe they do love 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.560 a Tyler Booker out of Alabama. Maybe he is in play, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.640 but that's probably not an area that I envisioned they'd 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.880 go now in the first round. After what they've done. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.920 I still think defensive tackle could be in play personally. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.200 I mean, Salomon Thomas is a rotational depths right, He's 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.119 not a guy that was starting with the New York Jets. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.520 So they needed somebody that they could also count on 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.160 behind Mazie, behind Osa. I mean, there's still a ton 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.280 of depth options end that they could look at. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:29.919 Corner. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.520 I still think very much in play. It was already 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.400 a need for them. I mean, they were hoping probably 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.680 to get Jordan Lewis back. I'm sure he was number 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.320 two on their priority list as soon as they got 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.640 done with Osi, let's pivot, let's try and get Jordan Lewis. 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.039 Congratulations to him on the big contract that he got. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.799 But I'm sure fans now are like, oh my gosh 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.919 blinking light. I think we've all been sitting here, like 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.839 man corner, that's definitely a spot with the digs injury 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:51.960 that you need to focus on. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:53.719 I think everything is still in play. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.080 I can even signing Lewis, you would have probably gone. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.360 Corner absolutely right. Is how long would that have deally 0:05:58.440 --> 0:05:58.720 have been? 0:05:58.800 --> 0:05:58.960 Right? 0:05:59.000 --> 0:05:59.640 Just a year or two? 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.200 And you've got health issues with a lot I mean, 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.360 Josh Butler went down last year, so the. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.440 Whole cornerback groom went down at some. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.000 Point, and then linebacker, right, I mean, I know that 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.200 they've put some resources in overshown lea foul and both 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:13.880 of them look like they're going to be good players, 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.680 but you don't know when you're gonna have to marveyn 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.440 overshown for this year. Dimone Clark's a guy. Is he 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.960 necessarily going to be on the Ross draft or training camp? 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.240 I don't know for sure? Can you rely on him? 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.800 So linebacker's definitely in play. I mean, I don't think 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.760 there's a single position that you're looking at outside of 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.680 maybe safety that they're like, we've got some quality depth here. 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:32.400 No, I would agree with that. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.080 I think when you look at the defensive line with 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:38.760 the Solomon Thomas signing. He with Chauncey Golson expected to 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.320 go to the New York Times, that was reported last night. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.000 I think that he's kind of the new Chauncey Golson 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.680 just in terms of he can play defensive tackling and 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.360 play in line, and he can play off the edge too, 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:49.560 and that's what kind of what he's. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:50.960 Been used over the course of his career. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.719 You know, he Copel High school graduate, so he's coming 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.600 back to dall He's born in Chicago, but he's coming 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.040 back to Dallas. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:06:59.880 So that's an interesting time of this too. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.000 With Connor Williams and Hell at the same time, I 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.200 think they were together there there you go. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.520 That's pretty good. Yeah. 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.240 And then two, when you look at his time with 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.760 Aaron White, Connon he had the most sacks of his 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.360 entire career when he was working with the New York Jets. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.640 He had nine career sacks over the course of three years. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.240 So you know, this is the these three signings in 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.840 Solomon Tom or excuse me, term agreements in Solomon Thomas, 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.720 Robert Jones, and Javonte Williams. I completely agree with you 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.240 guys that it's not you know, these guys aren't going 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.840 to be guys who you want starting or playing a 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.880 majority of your snaps. These are death pieces that you 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.240 want to use to compliment in the draft, because even 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.000 Jerry Jones told us the other day that he's not 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.680 looking to fill void's in free agency. They're looking to 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.280 build through the draft, and that's going to continue to 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.320 be the case. But the question then is my biggest 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.520 question is what do you do at twelve because there's 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.880 so many different things in terms of Okay, now that 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.400 you've got Javonte Williams in the boat, do you feel 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.440 like you can get a running back later on in 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.080 the later rounds that can compliment him, or are you 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.320 still willing to pick an Ashton genty if he's there 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.360 for you is wide receiver, you know, more of an 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.400 Eater's wide receiver. Remove that they kind of fill or 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.960 address here in the next coming days. I think one 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.600 name that we're not talking about as much as we 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.040 should at twelve is Mikel Williams out of Georgia. I 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.160 feel like that's very much in play the defensive end 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.520 out of Georgia. I think that he had a good 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.040 combine and he had a great meeting with the Cowboys. Yeah, 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:22.760 I think that's one guy that they like a lot. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.240 I think you could throw Williams into that mix. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.920 You could throw maybe some of those corners that we've 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.920 mentioned before into that mix as well. Do you feel 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.720 like edge rusher because they haven't addressed that either. You 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.959 feel like ed rusher is still a position they could 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.559 possibly hit that high in the draft and feel comfortable 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.760 leaving those other positions to the side. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.319 Yeah, especially if DeMarcus Lawrence is not back into the fold. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.960 See mike Keil Williams being firing up the highlights here. 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:46.760 Yeah. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.559 I mean he's good in the run game. He's a big, 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.640 physical guy. He could seal the edge in the run game, 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.120 and he could also get after the pass or two. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.000 I feel like it would be a healthy transition from 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.760 you know, the bigger set run defense dominant DeMarcus Lawrence. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.800 If you're trying to go young at that position, it's 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.040 tough to find a better guy than MIKEL Williams. That 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.000 kind of mirrors what DeMarcus Lawrence can do from a 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.000 run game perspective and a password's perspective. Now, he's not 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.440 gonna be DeMarcus Lawrence. Date one I'm not saying that, yeah, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:13.880 but I think this is a guy you could develop 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.360 into that type of type of talent for sure. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.200 Is twelve to too rich for a guy that just 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.680 really plays the run, well. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.880 Yeah, And that's that's part of the question too. Maybe 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.040 it's a trade back possibility. But if it's if you're 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.679 asking me and hey, you're at twelve and you can 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.280 find a tango partner and you take this guy with 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.559 a few of these guys that we've talked about throughout 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.960 the course of the year off the board, I wouldn't 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:38.080 be I wouldn't be upset at it. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.480 If you told me that Simmons from Ohio State, the 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.960 tackle was there and I'm hearing all clean now about 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.120 that knee with the pinella stuff. Talked to a couple 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.880 of different teams about him. Probably not going to have 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.800 him for the OTAs, but you're going to have him 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.600 for training camp. If you gave me a choice between 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.720 Simmons and mike L Williams there, I take the tackle 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.840 all day on that one. Just me personally. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:58.360 I've got his. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.400 Eyes personally on Simmons, but I understand the affinity there. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.840 And spending your guy you're high on then would you 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.600 be Campbell or Bank? 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.720 Campbell, Banks? Those those are the first round guys. Aside 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:10.760 from that, it's it's there's a tier. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.960 Jonk Okay, but you would take a tackle then over 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.160 Williams or would you take Williams over one of these tackles? 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.760 Well, factoring in that I have both of them at guard, 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.760 I would probably I would probably, Uh, you're you're. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.520 Asking me, I'm asking you which one would it would? Okay? Yeah? 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.640 Do you feel strongly enough about Campbell and Banks as guards? 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:32.720 Take over Williams. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.120 If Campbell's on the board, I'm taking Campbell, I have. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:36.679 The more I watch from Campbell, the more I like, 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.880 especially from the twenty twenty three tape. But if if 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.200 Banks is there, I'm taking Williams. 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.839 See I'm the opposite. I would take Banks over Williams. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:51.720 But I would take Williams over Campbell. In that regards Simmons. 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.600 Over both camp I think Simmons is the best offensive 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:54.360 tackle in the class. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:11:00.360 Personally, sure, I would go Banks over Williams. We know 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:00.760 you're going. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.000 We can't hate on him. Texas was a really good team. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.679 No, I think John barn is a conversation at twelve 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.439 two and we're not talking about it. I mean, I 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.640 know that maybe a trade down this the long the 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.199 arm length, and maybe he doesn't meet the metrics and 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.160 the profile that a lot of scouts are gonna want. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.920 Maybe twelve would be too high for a Jodda barn that. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.640 I think the tape's good enough. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.040 I'd take him personally, I Will Johnson, I've got some 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:24.840 question marks. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.319 I think Will Johnson he's not going to run. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.360 He's not going to run till April fourteenth, and. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.120 In the twenty twenty three tape is better than twenty 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:31.640 twenty four. But yeah, there's a lot of questions. You 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.960 can't know until what ten days before the draft, is 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:34.440 he is. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.720 There's there's a hamstring injury there now, and that's the problem, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.599 and he might not run at all. You might you 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.640 might be looking at Will Johnson and not have a 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.199 forty yard dash time on him at all because he's 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.120 carrying this thing all the way to a private workout 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.160 on April fourteenth, and somebody's going to go, well, wait 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.000 a minute, maybe I don't have to run on April fourteenth. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.080 You know, maybe I could just kind of, you know, 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.360 keep this thing going. The hamstring's not ready. Then the 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.880 next thing, you know, we're drafted. I wouldn't draft that 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.600 kid without a time. I'm sorry, I wouldn't do it myself. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.320 And you can and and people can and can talk 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.360 about Barron and he lacks length and all this other stuff. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.920 He is so much of a better player than Morrison 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:16.800 in my book. You know, but but but organizations are 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.760 not going to like Baron because he does not fit 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.760 their metrics when it comes to the link that he 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:24.280 his body type is. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:24.880 Which I hate. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.440 I mean, I know that there's probably it could be 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.319 this team right here that that's behind it, and there's reasons, 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.440 I'm sure, and that like they there's stats and there's 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.080 history that prove like that's probably the right way to go. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.640 Just me and my young naive drafting way, I'm like, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.240 I've seen them a Sante Samuel Junior get knocked, he 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.160 comes out crushes it, Antoine Winfield Junior, Like, just because 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.760 you're a little bit smaller, if the tape's good enough, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.720 sign me up for johd Ay Barron. He feels a 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.280 lot of what you just lost in Jordan Lewis. And 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.760 if LuSE wants guys, they're gonna come up and tackle. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.640 I think John A. Barron is the guy that's not 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.120 scared about throwing his body in there. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:56.280 Now. 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.200 I'd argue for a Jacob Parrish at a case state 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.920 as well, if you want to go ahead, maybe third round, yeah, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.719 seventy six, if you want to go for that rat, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:03.360 I'm cool with that. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.800 But I'd also just going back to ends. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.920 I mean, I'd stayed on the table for Mike Green 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.960 over Mikel Williams and a heartbeat like Mike Green's my dude, 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.240 I'd be advocating for him at twelve if he's there. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.439 And it sounds like some of the off the field 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.000 concerns got kind of cleaned up a little bit out 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.839 there in Indianapolis, which which put me at ease a little. 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.080 But I think the future could be a lot brighter 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.000 for a Mike Green. I think you're gonna get a steady, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.000 well rounded, probably ten year starter for Mikel Williams, but 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.520 I'd like the boom prospect there in Green, who I 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.880 really really am high on and excited about his potential. 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.200 Nick have a question for you, yep. If you have say, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.600 fourteen first round grades, how many grade how many fifteen, fifteen, 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.720 who's where do you have Williams? Do you have him 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:44.480 in the first round. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.200 Talking about mikel Yeah, back in first round? 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.199 Yeah, okay, soe see player fourteen for you. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.640 Yes, yeah, and Banks fifteen and Banks is fair. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.480 I've got him at throw CU so it's right around 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:52.840 the same. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:59.000 So do you have McMillan, Burden or Abuca ahead of him? McMillan, okay, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.560 so you have those, you have the two others, So 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.200 you wouldn't take a wide receiver unless it's McMillan, correct, okay, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.720 And you would take Campbell over him, right, correct? All right, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.880 and you would not take any of these corners. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:12.160 I feel like it's the game of go fish. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.520 No, no, no, I mean, I'm just I'm just trying 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.679 to get I'm trying to see how committed you are 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.400 to Michael would yes, yes, yes, okay, so but you 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.120 would then on the corner. So the only player that 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.600 you would really not take him over is McMillan. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.040 Uh not gent if he's there, Yeah, absolutely, I would 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.160 not take him over him. Campbell. I'm trying to think 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.600 of possibility. Are you talking about possibility possibilities? 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:37.880 Yeah? 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.560 Uh then then yeah, that would probably be that'd probably 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:41.880 be where I'm looking, okay. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:43.960 I was just wondering to see how committed you were 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.040 to Michael Williams or his teammate Jayalen Walker Jaalen Walker. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:48.840 Yeah, me too. H but I think i'd go be gone, 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.800 like he's going to be gone by the top ten. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.440 Where are they going to play him? I've where's where's 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.760 team's going to play him? Edge? I mean linebacker. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.680 That's that's the thing. That's the whole debate that we've 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.920 had with Vatch for the last yeah two months. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.120 No, No, there's definitely gonna be teams that see him 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:08.960 as an off ball Yeah. I just think he's at 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:10.720 his best when he's getting there. I think it's probably 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:11.920 twenty teams right now. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.800 This is just an e just a sample and just 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.640 a hypothetical. I think twenty teams probably see him as 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.480 an off ball linebacker and twelve see him as an 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.040 edge rusher. And that's just part of it. Just two 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:25.680 thirds of the league. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.720 I talked to six that thinks he's a linebacker, okay, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.000 and one in short, they were worried about We're worried 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.640 about him getting as an edge getting beat up at 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.080 that size. Yeah, you said, didn't wear down Yeah, that 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.480 he might wear down and you would lose the effectiveness 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:40.280 of him, right there? 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.680 Anybody that you would trade up to go get because 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.760 we're talking about realistic options here. I just we've always 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.480 talked about trading down and that possibility, and I still 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.480 think that is very much so on the table, depending on. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:54.280 What the board looks like. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.000 But let's say you do go up and get someone, 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.760 who would that name be for you? If if it's 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.520 even possibility, I think there's three. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.840 There's I mean Travis Hunter i'd move up for Okay, McMillan, 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.080 I'd move up for sure, and I think I consider 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.840 Mason Dram if he started falling. Okay, that's tackle Michigan. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.120 Yeah, I think I would agree with those. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.320 I think my question would be, if you do trade up, 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.800 how much are you giving up to trade up? 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:24.240 Like, does it make it? 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.000 Well, it's going to be premium, right, But I don't 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.440 know if I think Travis Hunter would be the only 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.840 one where I'd be willing to give up premium draft 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:32.960 capital to go and get. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.960 Are you playing them at both wide receiver and corner? 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.840 I would yeah, Okay, would. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.160 You depending on let me I say this real quick, 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.640 Depending on how much you really love Genty, you know, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.640 then that might be one as well. How much? Because 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.240