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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Away And I'm John Green,

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Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Alercon, and today we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 1: the World Cup playoff matches that start tomorrow. As this

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Speaker 1: is being uploaded, Daniel, tomorrow, the joy of international football

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Speaker 1: is back with us.

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Speaker 2: I had a question about that before we get to

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Speaker 2: the individual games. I was really thinking about this on

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Speaker 2: the way I was walking my dog this morning, that

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Speaker 2: it must be kind of a trip for the players

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Speaker 2: to go from games that matter to games it don't matter,

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Speaker 2: or vice versa. Right, So if you're in a club

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Speaker 2: team and now you've got to go and your club

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Speaker 2: team is like mid table, you're not going up, you're

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Speaker 2: not going down, everything's you know whatever, And then you've

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Speaker 2: got to go to a playoff like the ones that

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Speaker 2: we're about to talk about. Psychologically, it must be a

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Speaker 2: real trip. And then and there's you know, players who

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Speaker 2: are locked in a title race who are going to

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Speaker 2: play like a friendly against you know whoever. And and

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Speaker 2: I feel like that that that just must really be

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Speaker 2: jolting emotionally, don't.

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Speaker 1: You think I would think playing in a playoff has

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Speaker 1: got to be so intense, especially these one game playoffs

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Speaker 1: where it's literally winner, go home. Your chances of playing

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Speaker 1: in a World Cup, which is something you've dreamed of

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Speaker 1: since you were a little kid, rest on ninety minutes

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Speaker 1: of football. But it can't be that much less pressure

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Speaker 1: than being in a title race in England or France

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Speaker 1: or Germany or whatever. I mean those that's got to

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Speaker 1: be a tremendous amount of pressure. I you, and then

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Speaker 1: you go play a friendly against like Slovenia, you know,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, here, we are playing football for no stakes. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember the guy who uh or

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Speaker 2: the winning penalty kick in the World Cup last time?

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Speaker 1: Isn't his name Mundial? No? Mundial means global in world

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Speaker 1: means wait, wait, wait his name is close to give

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Speaker 1: me close. I'm getting there. You're very close. What is

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Speaker 1: his name? Oh? I mean, I feel like I just

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Speaker 1: mispronounced it, Daniel, you.

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Speaker 2: Did, Okay, I'm gonna give it to you. Its Gonzalo Montille.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I mentioned him is because I said,

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Speaker 2: you said moundieal. But okay, whatever I said it, I

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Speaker 2: said it perfectly, all right. So once again I am

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Speaker 2: pilloried for my pronunciation when it's not my fault that

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Speaker 2: I was raised in America.

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Speaker 1: You're You're fine. That was terrific. So Gonzalo Montiel scores

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Speaker 1: the winning world penalty in the World Cup final, then

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Speaker 1: like languidly takes off his shirt and strolls to the

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Speaker 2: And then uh, you know, pandemonium ensues like a whole

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks later to play for.

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Speaker 1: Nottingham Forest and I just remembering, like, what must that

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Speaker 1: be like? You know, yeah, you're celebrating in a bus

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Speaker 1: tour where sixty million people have come out to see

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Speaker 1: enjoy being fourteenth, right. I mean Forest fans are intense.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not. They don't love their football,

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Speaker 1: for sure, they love their club and they they's place

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Speaker 2: But it's very different. It's very different. I remember seeing

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Speaker 2: must be like you know, like like like playing at

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Speaker 2: the like at the at the YMCA, you know, like,

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Speaker 2: hit that penalty kick. I mean, anyway, he's now back

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Speaker 1: Playing for River Play.

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Speaker 2: In case you were wondering, all right, the game's don

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of exciting playoff action coming up. Should

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Speaker 2: we start with Wales versus Bosnia?

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Speaker 1: How do you want to do this? Yeah, let's go

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Speaker 1: with Wales versus Bosnia. Wales is a favorite in that game,

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Speaker 1: They've got a lot of players in the Premier League.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason they can't. They can't. They can't make

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm going with Bosnia because one of my

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Speaker 2: have much writing on this on these games, like I

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Speaker 1: Just go with the literature. That's fair. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: all in on BOSMBI. That's fair. Well. This brings us

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Speaker 1: to a difficult situation for you, then, Italy versus Northern Ireland,

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Speaker 1: play for Northern Ireland in that game. Hmm, that's the

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna yeah, it was a good show with Northern Island.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that leaves us with Italy versus probably Wales.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? I mean, it's hard not to

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Speaker 1: That would be he was going to do it again. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Northern Ireland, just to shock the world. Northern Ireland versus

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Speaker 1: Wales Island goes through. Yeah, I'm very pro Irish. I

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we've got more Ireland down the road

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm very torn here because I agree with you

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Speaker 2: And I think I have to go with Ukraine. Then

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Speaker 2: I have to support Ukraine, Okay, So we're both for Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Then we've got Poland versus Albania, which we played

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Speaker 2: one Albanian writer I know is Meel Kadare. It's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: What about Joseph Conrad.

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Speaker 2: Joseph Conrad a little dense for me? But yeah, oh,

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Speaker 1: You don't mean that. You don't mean, man, I know

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Speaker 1: you don't. You liked First off, you like dense literature.

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Speaker 1: Second off, he's not that dense. I don't believe you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, don't believe me. I liked his book

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Speaker 2: about the guy with the bomb, the secret Agent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I didn't love Heart of Darkness. It's a little dense.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: It's fair, but you know, yeah, but Poland takes this

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Speaker 2: over Man who wrote that book A Minor Apocalypse. Do

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Speaker 2: you know this writer? Oh god, so good. It's called

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Speaker 2: a Minor Apocalypse by Taito's con wiki.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to pronouncing that wrong.

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Speaker 2: And essentially the premises, it's like, uh, the these uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, communist anti communist dissidents go to this like

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Speaker 2: The Russian premieres in town. Here's a gallon of gasoline

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Speaker 2: you've got nothing really else to offer the anti commun

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Speaker 2: I love it, Okay, So and we'll check back in

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Speaker 2: and see who did better, although I guess or how

433
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Speaker 2: well we did because we kind of like serve agreed

434
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Speaker 2: on everything or almost everything. All right, let's take a

435
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: quick break and we'll be right back with a deep

436
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Speaker 2: dive on the national team of France. We're back on

437
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Speaker 2: the way, and John, I want to tell you something

438
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Speaker 2: about the national team of friends. But I want to

439
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: start with something that I learned when I'm married into

440
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 2: a Colombian family, which is that here in Latin America,

441
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: we are all taught the following that our national anthem

442
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: was judged to be the second most beautiful national anthem

443
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: in the world.

444
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: After Le Marseilles La Marseilles, the.

445
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Speaker 2: French national anthem.

446
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Speaker 1: And I always just.

447
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: Took this to be gospel truth because I was taught

448
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: this when I was a kid at the proven national

449
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: anthem was the second most beautiful national anthem in the world.

450
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Speaker 2: And then in my thirties, when I married into a

451
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Speaker 2: Columbian family, I've discovered that the Columbians are also taught this.

452
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: And then I think, like most Latin Americans are taught

453
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Speaker 2: that their national anthem is the second most beautiful national

454
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Speaker 2: anthem in the world. And it was funny because until

455
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Speaker 2: I realized this, I never even thought to consider like

456
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: when was this tournament of national anthems held?

457
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Speaker 1: And who are the judges? Was just like like Eurovision

458
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: but for national anthems exactly.

459
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Speaker 2: And also you know, how would you judge that, like

460
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: what would be the fair way? Was it a bracket

461
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: system or like a you know, friendly like you know,

462
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Speaker 2: why would that even exist? Who would you know? The

463
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: whole thing is just so perposteous. But it was just

464
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: one of those things that I just never questioned.

465
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we have the second most beautiful

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Speaker 1: national anthem in the world.

467
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Speaker 2: So but what's funny is that everyone agreed that the

468
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Speaker 2: French national anthem was like the top the best, right, right.

469
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Speaker 2: And I mentioned this because it's not just national anthems

470
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Speaker 2: in which France is a global powerhouse. I have vivid

471
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Speaker 2: memories of watching the French national team over the years,

472
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: beautiful memories, and I think I've mentioned this before on

473
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Speaker 2: this podcast, but I'm not sure. One of the first

474
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Speaker 2: places that I learned the lessons of kind of narrative

475
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: and drama was watching the nineteen eighty six quarterfinal match

476
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Speaker 2: between France and Brazil, and I mentioned it was because

477
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Speaker 2: the main lesson of drama, like if you want to

478
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Speaker 2: create drama. It's you you you know, as a writer,

479
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: you make indelible characters that people love, and so that

480
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: you're invested in their mistakes, the readers invested in their mistakes, right,

481
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: so that you're you're you know, kind of this a

482
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: more sophisticated version of like, don't go in there, you know.

483
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Speaker 1: And and.

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Speaker 2: I learned this because I was watching this game, and

485
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: and I loved two players on the team on each

486
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Speaker 2: team the number tens for both Brazil and France. The

487
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Brazilian number ten is to talk at this, uh, just

488
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: such a character, uh and a and a and a

489
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: beautiful player. And the French number ten was Michelle Platini.

490
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Speaker 2: Both were these kind of very technical midfield generals with

491
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Speaker 2: tremendous vision the other kind of players that make the

492
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Speaker 2: other players around them better, which I think is kind

493
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Speaker 2: of a a requirement for anyone who wants to be

494
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Speaker 2: in the discussion of being great, truly great. The game

495
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Speaker 2: I remember was breathless.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

497
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Speaker 2: There was a point at which Brazil had a penalty,

498
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Speaker 2: and the French veendor who gave away the penalty later

499
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: revealed that platin had come up to him and said

500
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Speaker 2: before the pen was taken and he said, you better

501
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: pray this guy misses or I'm going to kick your ass,

502
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: which which kind of flies in the face of mine.

503
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: Makes everyone better thing, but you know, it does sort

504
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: of speak to the intensity that Platini had. The Brazilian

505
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: player did, in fact miss. The game was one one

506
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: at full time, went to extra time, went to penalties,

507
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: and both Socrates and Platini missed. And I loved both

508
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: of these teams. I was watching through my like a

509
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: horror movie. I couldn't decide what I wanted. It really

510
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: was like it put me through the ringer. France eventually

511
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: won in penalty kicks despite Platini's miss, and went on

512
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: to lose to Germany in the Semis. So In nineteen

513
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Speaker 2: ninety eight, I was studying abroad in France and at

514
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: the end of the semester I flew to Abijean and

515
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: then eventually to Morocco. I traveled around a bit and

516
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: went to Spain to visit a cousin of mine who

517
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Speaker 2: lived in Barcelona. This was a summer of nineteen ninety

518
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: eight and I almost almost John took a train to Paris,

519
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: but I thought to myself, I really have no more

520
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: money and I need to go back to New York

521
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: to work, and I'm sure that would be amazing, But

522
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: you know what, France never wins anyway, so it's not

523
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna miss anything, And of course they wont.

524
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Speaker 2: I spent some of the money I made that summer

525
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Speaker 2: on a Zidon jersey, a player that I had another

526
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Speaker 2: sort of like midfield general number ten, leader of a team,

527
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 2: player I love, despite the fact that he played for

528
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: Madrid and well, I loved a lot of French players

529
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: over the years, not the least of which is Terryan Ree,

530
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: arguably the greatest striker in French history arsenal legend, whose

531
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Speaker 2: jersey I'm currently wearing. So I guess France when they

532
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: found out that I doubted them that year, they just

533
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: really stepped it up. And in response to those doubts,

534
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: they've become one of those handful of teams that's always

535
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: always in the mix, that really could win it all.

536
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: They're in the conversation for every tournament. They've been in

537
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: the finals for three of the last five tournaments, an

538
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: incredible feat. They won in twenty eighteen, of course. But

539
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: I just wanted you to understand the depth of talent

540
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: that France has because you know, when you present the

541
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: US men's national team, you were like, oh my god,

542
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: they have like twenty players in the Premier League or whatever.

543
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: Paris and her suburbs const do what must be like

544
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: the greatest concentration of soccer talent in the world. And

545
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: just to underline this, I wanted to tell you a

546
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: crazy fact. There were more players born in Paris and

547
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 2: surrounding areas playing in the African Cup of Nations this

548
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: past year than in any other country in the tournament.

549
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Speaker 1: Wow yeah, wow, astonishing, right, And that's obviously has to

550
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: do with the you know, intense footballing culture, with the training,

551
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: with you know, the mass migration which is transformed France.

552
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 2: It has to do with the passion. It's just, you know,

553
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: this is a footballing nation that has so much talent

554
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: that they're able to export it to other countries. So

555
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: players you've obviously heard of Killian Mbappe, and by you,

556
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: I mean the listeners I know you John have. He

557
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: was the super young in twenty eighteen. He won the

558
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: Best Young Player of the Year. He scored four goals

559
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: in seven games, including one against Peru, which I'm sure

560
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: was like the most special goal to him, that's the

561
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: one he remembers. That's probably the one he remembers most

562
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: things about all night. He has blossomed since then, obviously

563
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: to become one of the greatest players.

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Speaker 1: In the world.

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Speaker 2: Just the forty goals in all comps for Madrid this season.

566
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Speaker 2: Just the forty Yeah. So, but you know he's not

567
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: the only player John, you know, and Madrid fans still

568
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: complain about him.

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Speaker 1: They're very spoiled, They're very spoiled, They're so lucky. Yeah.

570
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: Dde de Champ's France manager, who looks like one of

571
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: those senior execs from that show mad Men. Just an

572
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: absolute embarrassment of talents. And I'm just gonna name a

573
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: couple or a few. Usman Deanble reigning bellond'or winner, his

574
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: teammate at PSD, Bradley Barcola, Arsenal's Williams Saliba, Byron's Michael

575
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: o'lisse incredible player, Barcelona's Jules kunde ugo Ekitik, who you

576
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: know from Liverpool, and the list goes on and on.

577
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: So much talent.

578
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: The logical conclusion here is to say that France might

579
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: not win the World Cup, but they're definitely going to

580
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: be in the mix. I wouldn't be surprised they made

581
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: it to the Semis. And like we said, with these playoffs,

582
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: like you know, once we get into the knockout rounds

583
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: of the tournament, anything can happen. But they're definitely one

584
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: of the teams to watch, you know. And I just

585
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: want to end by saying it wasn't just that nineteen

586
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: eighty six quarter final that sort of taught me the

587
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: lessons that I think have helped make me a novelist

588
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: or storyteller. There was another iconic French moment, which I'm

589
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: sure you remember, that also kind of reinforced that lesson

590
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: of narrative and the creation of drama, and that was

591
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: the two thousand and six zinjin Zi don headbutt against

592
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: one of.

593
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: The most dramatic failures of of keeping a cool head

594
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: in all of human history.

595
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: Incredible, incredible actually, to name check Alexander Himon once more,

596
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: he described it as watching a man commit suicide in public.

597
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: It was so dramatic.

598
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: It was, you know, ten minutes for a full time

599
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: and the deflation of the national team of players around

600
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: him once.

601
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: He was gone. It was just it was there was

602
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: like there could only be one winner after that. It

603
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: was incredible. So we should tell the story real quick

604
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: of what happened. I was watching from Chicago with a

605
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: bunch of my friends. I'm sure you were. You were

606
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: watching wherever you were. Billions of people literally were watching

607
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: the World Cup final. It was an extra time and

608
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: the greatest player, you know, one of the greatest players ever,

609
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: the greatest player on the pitch, but by a country mile,

610
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: was Zennidine Zadan, This French player and one of the

611
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: opposing players apparently called his sister a name, and then

612
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: Zenidine Zidan headbutted, the guy, got a red card, was

613
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: sent off off and France lost the World Cup.

614
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what happened. The Italian player was Mattrazzi.

615
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeh. And it wasn't even you know. I mean, let's

616
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: put it this way. If you headbutted an opponent every

617
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: time your sister got called a name, you'd get a

618
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: lot of red cards.

619
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's true, but I think that in some

620
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: way I should mentioned this also, he is he done

621
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: when they won in ninety eight, scored two goals in

622
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: the final, and he'd already scored a goal in Italy

623
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Speaker 2: against Italy in that game, and moments before he had

624
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: nearly scored a bullet header from from a distance where

625
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: it was unthinkable that you could even get off a

626
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: powerful shot. He headed the ball from almost the eighteen

627
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: yard line of the box, and the Italian keeper Buffon

628
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: had been incredible saved, and so he was like, you know,

629
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: a fingertip away from being like the first person to

630
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: score two goals in two World Cup finals, you know,

631
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: and then like literally three minutes later, he gets a

632
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: red card and no one at the time knew why

633
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: because there wasn't when we saw it, and I was

634
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: wearing Miisi Don jersey that I'd bought in ninety eight.

635
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: There were the same number of like replays, you know,

636
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: like like we didn't see it for a long time

637
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: in the stadium, no one knew why unless they'd seen

638
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: it happen.

639
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was off the ball. It wasn't it

640
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: was It was just a nothing moment where he completely

641
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: lost his cool. And you have to say, who knows

642
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: how the game goes? I mean, obviously it's an extra time,

643
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: it's probably going to go to penalties. That's a lottery.

644
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: Who knows how the game goes? If he doesn't get

645
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: a red card. But with him getting a red card,

646
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: it felt inevitable that France was going to lose.

647
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, So we'll we'll see what happens with

648
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: France here. But I want to thank the Nation of

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Speaker 2: France for their everything they've taught about narrative, specifically the

650
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Speaker 2: national team of France for teaching me to be a writer.

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Speaker 1: I also want to dedicate.

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Speaker 2: This description of the France national team and their chances

653
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: to my son's friend Camillo, who's French, half French and.

654
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: Really special kid in our family.

655
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's take.

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Speaker 1: A quick break and we'll be robt. All right, Welcome

657
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: back to the away and it's my turn to tell

658
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Speaker 1: a story, and Daniel, I'm going to tell you the

659
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: story of the football team I love so much AFC Wimbledon,

660
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: because I don't think I've ever told you this story,

661
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: and I know I haven't told a lot of the

662
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: listeners this story. So in eighteen eighty nine a club

663
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: was formed in southwest London called Wimbledon FC. They spend

664
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: most of their time as an amateur team, but then

665
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: eventually they rose up to the professional ranks through promotion

666
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighty eight, they reached the pinnacle of

667
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: English football at the time by winning the FA Cup.

668
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: They beat Liverpool in the FA Cup final. They won

669
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: this big cup. Princess Diana handed it to them. It

670
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: was a big deal. And then almost immediately the club

671
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: started to fall apart because of poor ownership and rich people,

672
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: as they often do, treating football clubs as assets rather

673
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: than as community based organizations. And so eventually the club

674
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: was basically bankrupted and the only proposed solution from the

675
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: ownership team was to move the club away. Now we

676
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: know this happens a lot in American sports, the Baltimore

677
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: Colts become the Indianapolis Colts, etc. It had never happened

678
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: in English football because fundamentally, it's not the Arsenal Gunners

679
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: or the Liverpool Reds. It's Arsenal and Liverpool. And it

680
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: was Wimbledon, which was a club the community of Wimbledon

681
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: in southwest London, where the tennis tournament happens. But even so,

682
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand and one, the club was

683
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: moved against the will of all the fans, to Milton Keynes,

684
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: this new city that had been created sort of from scratch,

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00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: about seventy miles away and the community of Wimbledon was

686
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: left without a football club. The one young woman described

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00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: this to me. She said, it was like my dad.

688
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: You know, my dad had been going to every game

689
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: for forty years and it was like they'd taken away

690
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: my dad's church, you know. I mean, it's such a

691
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: big part of your identity when you're a supporter of

692
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: a football club and to have that suddenly just completely

693
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: rested away from you and told that it's you know,

694
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: not in the best interests of the sport as a

695
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: whole for your club to exist is absolutely devastating. And

696
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: what Wimbledon fans did is they started over. So the

697
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: club that was Wimbledon FC took the lead place and

698
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: became known as MK Dons Milton Keynes Dons. The Wimbledon

699
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: fans refused to acknowledge the Dons part of Milton Keynes Dons,

700
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: but at any rate that's the official name of that team.

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00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: And they were by then in the third division of

702
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: English football, which is still a professional league. And this

703
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: new club, or this Phoenix club, the rebirth of Wimbledon FC,

704
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: was called AFC Wimbledon and they started down in the

705
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: ninth tier of English soccer. I mean at away games,

706
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: they were literally sitting on hay bales paying fifty cents

707
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: to watch their team play, when just five years earlier

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00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: they'd been in the Premier League and thousands of people

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00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: became owners of this new AFC Wimbledon because it wasn't

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00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: going to be owned by any rich person. It was

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00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: going to be owned by the fans, by all of

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00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: them together, so that this could never happen again. And

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Speaker 1: even if they had to spend eternity in the amateur

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00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: ranks of English football, at least they would have a

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00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: club of their own. But they worked their way up.

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Speaker 1: After two years they got promoted to the eighth Division.

717
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: Then they got promoted to the seventh division. Then they

718
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: were stuck there for a few years and slowly worked

719
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: their way up until by twenty eleven they were just

720
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: one promotion away from being back to being a full

721
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: time professional team. They had a game, a playoff final

722
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: to get there. It was nil nil against Lutontown. You

723
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: know Lutontown They were in the Premier League not long ago,

724
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: but back then they were in the fifth Division along

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00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: with AFC Wimbledon. And it was nil nil at the

726
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: end of full time and at the end of extra

727
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: time and it went to penalties, and Wimbledon's goalkeeper at

728
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: the time was this nineteen year old kid working part

729
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: time at a rental car place named Seb Brown who'd

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00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: actually been in the pub where AFC. He was like

731
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: six years old, and he was in the pub where

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00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: AFC Wimbledon was originally formed back when all of this

733
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: went down, and Seb Brown saved two penalties against Lutontown

734
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: to send AFC Wimbledon back to the Football League, back

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Speaker 1: being a full time professional team, which they've been ever

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Speaker 1: since twenty eleven. Our community has been sponsoring them. They

737
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: wear our logo on the liminal space between left thigh

738
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Speaker 1: and buttock on the back of their shorts. It says DFTBA,

739
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: which stands for Don't Forget to be Awesome. We've been

740
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: sponsoring them since twenty fourteen. But these days AFC Wimbledon

741
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: is up in the third Division. And what's really incredible

742
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: is that Milton Keynes, the team that used to be US,

743
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: is in the fourth division. And so after all that,

744
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: after all that trauma and hurt and stealing away a

745
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: football club, they don't even get to play US every

746
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: season because they're not good enough. But when we do play.

747
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: I've been to a few games where where AFC Wimbledon

748
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Speaker 1: played against Milton Keynes and it is the most ferocious.

749
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've never been to Turkey. I've never

750
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: seen galatass or I play. I'm sure that's more ferocious.

751
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: But it is the most ferocious thing I've ever seen

752
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: in English soccer. It is incredibly dramatic. There are many songs.

753
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: My favorite of the songs that Wimbledon fans sing is

754
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: where were you? Where were you? Where were you when

755
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: you were us? Wow? That's also like a metaphor. I

756
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: would put that in my scary box they sing. They

757
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: also sing you franchise bastard, you know what you are? Wow?

758
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: It's pretty For the Milton Keynes players, no, they know

759
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: what they's. No, they don't have to sign a professional

760
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: contract with that club. We've got one. There's only one

761
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: player ever who's signed as far as I can remember,

762
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: who used to play for AFC Wimbledon, who signed for

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Speaker 1: Milton Keynes. And that guy gets a lot of abuse.

764
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: I bet Connor Lemon high Evans He's not well liked

765
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: around Southwest London. I hate that guy. Yeah, I've always

766
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: disliked him. So that's the story, the very abbreviated story

767
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: of the football club I love so much, and that

768
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: I've devot did so much of my time and treasure

769
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: two over the years. I just it makes how many

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00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: games do you get to?

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00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: How many games do you get to go to a year?

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00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: Season? I probably go to five or six games a year,

773
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: so I go to a fair number. Yeah. Yeah, I

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00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: probably go to one Liverpool game a year. If I'm

775
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: lucky in five or six Wimbledon games. That's great. Well,

776
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to hitch a ride next time or one

777
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: of these. Oh, man, you would have so much fun. Yeah,

778
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: I'll let you know. It's a quick flight from Colombia. Yeah.

779
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: I think there's direct flights actually from the Wimbledon. Yeah. Yeah,

780
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: it's not far if you can, if you can get

781
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: to if you can, if you can get to Heathrow,

782
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: it's not that far away.

783
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, all right, we'll do it. We'll do it, man.

784
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: I love that story, and I'm a fan. Now, I'm

785
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: a fan. Now I'll be I'll be checking them out.

786
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: What are their chances of a promotion this season? Very

787
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: exceptionally low. I mean, we have the second lowest budget

788
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: in the third division, so just not getting relegated is

789
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: a huge win. Okay, all right, well that'll take that's great,

790
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: you'll take it exactly wonderful. I have a new team

791
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: to support then in the third Division. I've been looking

792
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: for a team for the third Division to support.

793
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: John. We got some mail, yeah, awandpod at gmail dot com. Everybody, Yeah,

794
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: we got a lot of mail. We get a surprising

795
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: amount of male and I enjoy it very much. So

796
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: this one says, Hey, Daniel, Sean, and John, I love

797
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: the new pod. What a great intro to global football.

798
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: Thanks for making it and sharing it. I've long thought

799
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: John would find one of my parenting choices funny slash interesting.

800
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Growing up, my lullabies were family versions of Irish drinking songs,

801
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: including show Me the Way to Go Home. When my

802
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: daughter was born almost three years ago, I decided the

803
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: logical next step was football. Chance she gets You'll never

804
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: walk alone and show me the way to plow Lane.

805
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: Every night tonight she decided to sing along. I grabbed

806
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: a voice memo of it to share. Thanks and DFTBA Emily.

807
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: So let's take a listen.

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00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: Show me the.

809
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: Way to Ploway.

810
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: For by I want to go home well ahead a

811
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: Foper crown twenty years ago and.

812
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: Want one of my whenever I may roam to sell

813
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 4: Hurst Parker again, you can always hear me sing in

814
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 4: this song show Me the Way to Plowing.

815
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so stinking cute. So that's the

816
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: song that we sang for twenty five years, Daniel, as

817
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: we were trying to get back home to Wimbledon, trying

818
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: to build a stadium to replace plow Lane, the stadium

819
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: where Wimbledon played from the early nineteen hundreds. And uh,

820
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: and we finally did. We finally built a stadium across

821
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: the street from that old stadium, and it's called the

822
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: New plow Lane. And we still sing that song to

823
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: remind us of the long journey that we've been on.

824
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: And I have to confess that hearing that makes me

825
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: tear up a little.

826
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, Emily, thank you so much for sharing that.

827
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: I really loved it. Wow.

828
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: Okay, emotional clarity here, let's move on. This one's a

829
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: little bit of a critique. John, Yeah, we need that sometimes,

830
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: it says dear John and Daniel. I am writing with

831
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: an observation the smugness with which you and John Green

832
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: congratulate yourselves on your powerful hair has not gone unnoticed

833
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: in the chrome domosphere. Won't someone think of the balls

834
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: as that renowned poet my mother once said, grass does

835
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: not grow on a busy street.

836
00:45:50,239 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: Yours, Luke, Luke Sean isn't this today, But if you were,

837
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: I would just bring him on right now to talk

838
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: about his luxurious head of hair. I mean, there's something

839
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: about our high school that just made for beautiful, strong

840
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: heads of hair.

841
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: Spend the water. Yeah, I want to say that. This

842
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: comes from my friend Luke, And I was like, you know, Luke,

843
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: do you want me to you know, can I say

844
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: you're you know? I was going to share this anonymous,

845
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: because actually came I'll be honest in the form of

846
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: a text, and he said, say my full name. So

847
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: this is one of my friend Luke Dempsey. Luke is

848
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: such a good friend and such a wonderful writer. He

849
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: wrote this book called Club Soccer one oh one, which

850
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: is one hundred and one stories of club soccer teams

851
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: from around the world. It's a great book, a really

852
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: fun book. And Luke and I used to go see

853
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: Red Bulls games together.

854
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: No nice. Yeah.

855
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lives in La now and I can't remember

856
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: now if he's which side of the l traffic Go

857
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: divide he is now.

858
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: But he's also a big United fan anyway.

859
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: So Luke, I have nothing to apologize for. I just

860
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: want to say, yeah, neither do I. It's just jeans man.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just this is this is what I was given.

863
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Speaker 1: So it's true that you were given a good head

864
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Speaker 1: of hair, Daniel, but you also do extraordinary things with it.

865
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Speaker 1: Like even when we were in high school, I would

866
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: always be like, my god, that guy has great hair.

867
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Speaker 1: And it's not entirely just because of the thickness of it.

868
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: It's also because of the way you style it. So

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00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: I think you deserve a little bit of credit. You're again,

870
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Speaker 1: your memory of me in high school is just completely

871
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: bizarrely exaggeratedly, you know, nice to me. I just feel

872
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Speaker 1: like mostly my style was just not washing my hair enough.

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Speaker 1: And you, I mean, you can say that all you want,

874
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: but I think we both know which one of us

875
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Speaker 1: ended up with our mutual high school crush. Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on. Yes, very lastly, a correction, and this

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Speaker 1: is key This is from Daniel's son, Alisio. We have

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Speaker 1: a very important correction. Alisio rights. The camaraderie on the

879
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: chess team is quite strong. When one of us loses,

880
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: we are sad. When we do well, we are all happy.

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Speaker 1: I disagree with the statement made on the podcast yours, Elisio.

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Speaker 1: That's so great. Corre slight correction to your correction. It's Eliseo.

883
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Speaker 1: But that's okay. Once again, once again I am pillaried

884
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: for completely correct pronunciation. I look, we'll leave that aside.

885
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Speaker 2: And I just want to apologize to Elise for this

886
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Speaker 2: mischaracterization of the spirit of the chess team at his

887
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Speaker 2: local school here in Bota.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I want.

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Speaker 2: To wish the chess team of at Anglo all the

890
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: best in their upcoming tournament and also you know his

891
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Speaker 2: his chests club at Kaipa as well.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll do great. Yeah, And let's a on

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Speaker 1: my front. I just want to say it was my bad.

894
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Speaker 1: I thought about disagreeing with your dad the moment he

895
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Speaker 1: said that, because I knew he was wrong. But then

896
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Speaker 1: sometimes just with the vibe of the pod, you want

897
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Speaker 1: to just keep flowing. You want to yes and somebody

898
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: and that was my mistake. I should have interrupted him

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Speaker 1: the moment he said that instead of the chess teams

900
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Speaker 1: as camaraderie, and it's not Daniel's fault or my fault

901
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: that we've never been inside of one of those chess

902
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: locker rooms and seen that camaraderie up close chess locker rooms.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay, I'm making it worse.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: So, I'm sorry to so, John, you didn't need to

906
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Speaker 2: throw him ntoer the bus just to get to on

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Speaker 2: my son's good set. Anyway, We're gonna end there before

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Speaker 2: I offend any of my children anymore. John, Thanks, as always,

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Speaker 2: thanks to our producer Kurt Sean will be back next week.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to quiz him on something for you

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Speaker 1: seams always then, and we'll do it against her. Can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Yes,