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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is the show where we look back on our

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Speaker 2: old episodes from twenty eighteen with all new insights and

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Speaker 2: case updates and pop culture references.

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Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding to episode one eleven, which we named

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Speaker 1: Figure it Out Kevin.

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Speaker 2: This episode originally came out on March eighth, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to the intro of episode one eleven. Hello, Hi,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to My Favorite Murder the podcast, your weekly

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Speaker 1: true crime podcast hosted by Karen Kilgara and Georgia Hart.

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Speaker 1: Start and that's us, and they're Stephen over there on

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Speaker 1: the ones and tubes making any been happening. He's making

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Speaker 1: it Happeninger, he's making it happening and making it happening

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Speaker 1: because he took an improv class and he knows how

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Speaker 1: to heighten he yes, ed, he yes, handed our eternal

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Speaker 1: improv That is this podcast. That's exactly what I was

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Speaker 1: going to say, And and yes, and that's that's correct.

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Speaker 2: The hanging and hey, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a lot of bit, a lot

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Speaker 2: of actually relevant things have happened since we last recorded.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for us to catch up on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we Yeah, because last week we put up

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Speaker 1: a live episode, so we when we missed that week,

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Speaker 1: we missed the talking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the oscars for example, what a monologue?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, the one.

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Speaker 2: The thing I was going to say, which I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to talk about is the four part I D Channel

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Speaker 2: series called The Golden State Killer. It is not over.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I thought it was like, it's not over. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's the full title it was for Yes.

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Speaker 2: Every time that title card would come up, I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: it's okay, we get it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the Golden State Killer now is on the fucking

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Speaker 1: tip of everyone's lips.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Because Michelle McNamara's book.

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Speaker 1: Came out and I'll Be Gone in the Dark, which

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to obsessively. Yep, almost done, and I

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Speaker 1: like don't want to finish it, so I'm listening.

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Speaker 3: To other shit so I don't have to. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: it won't be over. Yeah, Yeah, because it's not over.

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Speaker 2: No, I know it's not it.

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Speaker 3: It's correct, it's not over.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny is I So Pat Oswald, who

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Speaker 2: is Michelle's husband, sent us copies of the book so

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Speaker 2: that we could have it, because he knows, but I

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Speaker 2: forgot that I had pre ordered it long long ago, right,

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Speaker 2: So I had two copies. I was holding yours because

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Speaker 2: he sent them both of my house. Then a couple

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Speaker 2: days later I got a third copy. Me, you, and

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Speaker 2: Steven all have copies of Michelle's book. But the cool

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Speaker 2: news is that Patton just sent me a picture today

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Speaker 2: of the New York Times Book Review bestseller's list, and

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Speaker 2: Michelle is number one on the nonfiction list. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's number one, and it's so cool, Like it's so

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Speaker 2: as a person who followed her from the True Crime

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Speaker 2: Diary and I used to just pore over that thing.

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Speaker 2: I remember the post that she wrote when she talked

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Speaker 2: about how Earon's original night Stalker that it was too

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Speaker 2: confusing and it needed a better title, and she it

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Speaker 2: was her idea to call him the Golden State Killer.

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Speaker 3: Which is so like forward thinking.

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Speaker 1: Yes, in a way, that's like, you know, this needs

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Speaker 1: to be People need to know what this is because

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Speaker 1: there's all these victims who are not getting the attention

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Speaker 1: So if we give it a better name, people will

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Speaker 1: pay attention to it more exactly right, so smart. It's

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Speaker 1: not something I would ever have thought of, you know,

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Speaker 1: of you know that that's important.

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Speaker 2: She was very masterful and the whole, her whole approach

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Speaker 2: to it was so good. She got cops to start

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Speaker 2: talking to each other to share information. Is it's very

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Speaker 2: cool story. And I'm sure most of the people listening

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Speaker 2: and thrilled that she gets that kind of remembrance and

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Speaker 3: But they have survivors.

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Speaker 2: They have victims of the Golden State Killer when he

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Speaker 1: are strong, fucking resilient people.

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Speaker 2: It's that are just there to be like, we want

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Speaker 1: We because it's really frustrating, and like, I'm knee deep

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Speaker 1: this insane case and it's really frustrating and angering because

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Speaker 1: As soon as they found that out, they there should

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Speaker 1: like the cops too. There must be so frustrated with this.

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Speaker 1: Is like to piece those then together and be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we can match him up because he was an Irvine too,

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, because it doesn't mean there's it's not like

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Speaker 2: She literally says the words, don't be polite, attack him

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Speaker 1: Just the whole story I'm like kind of obsessed with

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Speaker 2: And the hasn't been planning. Yeah, like the that it

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Speaker 1: There's something wrong with him, yes, like not just obviously

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Speaker 2: He's got some there's you can tell there's some narrative

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. He looked like RoboCop.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he looked you know, he looked like his Hunter,

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Speaker 3: You never heard about that? No, Hunter, my mom a detective.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what I keep doing in my obsessiveness

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Speaker 1: Who? The murderer is? Like? So scary, so scary, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's since it's it has to.

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Speaker 1: Get solved, I know, and it's going to be really

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Speaker 1: exciting when it does. It's also bittersweet from Michelle and

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Speaker 1: because it's just and then the obsession and I kind

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Speaker 1: Then they were kind of just like stories you had

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Speaker 2: So like when I used to read that blog, you

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, like going to the Pumpkin Show. Yeah right?

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Speaker 3: Maybe the name Kevin.

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Speaker 1: We did it together.

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Speaker 2: Now we start the podcast that's all about life that

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Speaker 2: It's basically a podcast where we want to go out

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Speaker 2: a way to sue Kevin for www dot pumpkinshow dot com.

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Speaker 2: If we take ownership.

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Speaker 1: Called squad Bards, we can get if we could get

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Speaker 1: a hacker to please hack the Pumpkin Show website. Oh kidding, no,

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Speaker 1: do stop that hacker. This hackers like her hands are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got fingersless gloves, and she's numbers, going numbers, numbers,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just like hacking. And then we're like, wait, Melissa,

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Speaker 1: hold it, don't do that. What's her hacker name. It's

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Speaker 1: Melissa eight, Melissa eight Hack your hack, Your you, our life.

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Speaker 1: It's dark Web, Melissa dark Web, Lissa, Lisa in the Dark.

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Speaker 3: Liza with is Eliza.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 3: That whole thing was her name? What we just dot net?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What are hackers really like?

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Speaker 2: Let us know if you're a hacker.

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Speaker 1: There are the people when you're at the coffee shop

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Speaker 3: Those are them. They're not cool.

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Speaker 2: They're always it's always hackers always work in cafes.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to insult any hackers though, because I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Also lights, did you watch Mister Robot or whatever? The

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Speaker 3: It was good.

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Speaker 2: That's so good.

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Speaker 1: Uh, hackers, we love you, unite, we have a tribute

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Speaker 1: to you. They all look like Angelina Jolie in the movie.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Hackers, the lean hackers, the show, Hackers, Hackers, movie hackers. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I know the movie you're talking about. It's hit. It's

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Speaker 2: where where Johnny Lee Miller the British actor, and Ryan

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Speaker 2: was Ryan Felippe in that. I don't know. Make sure

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Speaker 2: I think Stephen's gonna tell us. Okay, I think it's

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Speaker 2: called something like The Mother Boar.

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Speaker 3: Now that's not correct.

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Speaker 4: Well, I do know what movie you're thinking of Anti

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Speaker 4: Trust with Ryan Felippe.

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Speaker 2: Okay, which did I just mash up to those other

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Speaker 3: Is he a hacker in that?

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Speaker 4: He was like it was like Bill Gates was played

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Speaker 3: Need a Stephen to look up our Stephen.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: He was like it was like a yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: M TV website.

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Speaker 4: And this hackers was from was Angelina Jolie was released

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Speaker 4: in ninety five?

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Speaker 1: What's called? They just went for the lowest common to

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Speaker 3: Did it have a ze in it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, yes, that's the remake.

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Speaker 2: Now, what was the movie the Motherboard that I'm talking about?

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Speaker 1: Was there a movie called the Motherboard a B movie

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Speaker 3: About women with children who get tied to boards.

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Speaker 1: Or just like the mom is bored and the likes

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Speaker 2: The motherboard, or it could be a female CEO with

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Speaker 3: She is in charge. She makes all the decisions, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna try parenting's not working.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try acting like a computer.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna make a computer version.

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Speaker 1: Of me the mom. Yes, as a stand in. It

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Speaker 1: looks exactly like her, but it's she's controlling it. Yep

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Speaker 2: about SPF or skin cancer bandslay was essentially wess and

443
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: oil in a beautiful bottle and in the summer you

444
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 2: would just put it. Smelled so good, just.

445
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,719
Speaker 1: Baby oil to lay in the sun in yes and

446
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: give yourself cancer.

447
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: And there was a little bit of orange diye in

448
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: it so that you kind of not you would seem

449
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,239
Speaker 2: tan just by putting it on. And the themes are

450
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: the jingle was bend desole for the Santropeian it was

451
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: so high glamour. Oh my god, that's all I wanted to.

452
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 3: Want to have a Sancho pe tan.

453
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean I still do. I'm gonna be honest, bends.

454
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: Have you seen that commercial, Stephen, No, nobody's seen it.

455
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm so I'm like the last fucking white rhino. I'm

456
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: so old and I only only me and a handful

457
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: of people know my references.

458
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Speaker 3: That reminds me you're gonna we've vincent.

459
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: I just remember that you're gonna be a birthday too.

460
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 2: You're gonna be birthdaying when we're in Europe, right in,

461
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: when we're in Oslo.

462
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 3: Oh cool, my birthday.

463
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: Let's go find like a reindeer restaurant and fucking eat

464
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: reindeer for your birthday.

465
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Speaker 2: Okay, great, let's eat a live ry. Let's catch and

466
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: kill right, yeah, gorgeous animals, let's do it.

467
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Speaker 3: Do you remember in a Chef's Table.

468
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: I think it's season one, maybe season two, there's the

469
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Speaker 2: guy who.

470
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Speaker 3: Who his restaurant is Viking Food. No, did you not

471
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Speaker 3: watch that series? I don't think I did. I think

472
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 3: I meant to. I thought you would.

473
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: I thought you I just automatically assumed you.

474
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: Would would think that you know, I got it.

475
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: He gives you a dish and it's he lights like

476
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: Pete moss on fire and then cooks like three herring

477
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: like it's.

478
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: Like a bullet and it's like a bog water. Yes,

479
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: and it's like, have you seen the bodies in the

480
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: bog Yeah?

481
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: You mean the ones that have always been there, the

482
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: bog bodies, Yeah, the ones that are kind of orange. Yeah.

483
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: They have hair, yeah, faces and nails yo. Yeah. Oh

484
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: look that up, you guys.

485
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: That's fucking that's a that's a big bog hole to

486
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: get into.

487
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: Get into that boghole.

488
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: So you want to go to that restaurant? Do you

489
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: want to go get Viking food? Yes?

490
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: But I think we'd have to drive like four hours

491
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Speaker 2: Nordens of Oslo or wherever we are. I'm not even

492
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Speaker 2: sure it's in Norway, Vince. Which is the worst part.

493
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: That's for Vince to find out. That's for our tour manager, Stephen.

494
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: Will you look really quick, just so I'm not a

495
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: total fool in case if this is like in a

496
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: very obvious other like Nordic country, I'm going to get

497
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: really depressed. But I think it is Norway.

498
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: Well, you wouldn't know the name of the restaurant. You're

499
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: just asking him to look up what?

500
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, just my day.

501
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: Confirm me and just affirm me as a person.

502
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 3: I hear you.

503
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 2: I don't know how you'd look at I hear what

504
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: you're saying. I hear I hear that you're saying hackers. Yeah,

505
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you you're wrong. It's the

506
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 2: motherboard see Okay, Okay, Can I just say this. We

507
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 2: haven't really talked about the alienists recently. Oh ye are watching?

508
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: Yes? Loving it? My machine isn't tvoing it?

509
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: Is it not?

510
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: Because it's not a TVO one, it's a fucking directory.

511
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: But two. In an addition, it starts at sick. It

512
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: didn't record it.

513
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: Is it good? It's so good? I watch every episode twice, okay,

514
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: and I because I love the fucking art direction. Yeah.

515
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 2: I want to go back in time, please. I just

516
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: want to see what it would really look like to

517
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: walk down the street in like Lower East Side.

518
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: Here's what I think you would notice, Not what it

519
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: looks like, but the smell. Yeah, you got you gotta

520
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: think about that. Man.

521
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: It's stunk so bad. Everybody's stunk and it's stunk. But

522
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: still I just the visual. I mean they even have

523
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 2: toilet paper back then you know they use papyrus right

524
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: from the Bible.

525
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: Swinging back around. The restaurant was fa Viking and it's

526
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: in Sweden. So we're going to we are Yeah, oh yeah,

527
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: you'll be in Stockholm. So it doesn't say what city.

528
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: I bet it's only seven hours outside of Stockholm.

529
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: We're going on McDonald's for your birthday. Look, you know,

530
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: you're getting real complicated.

531
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to be like, I don't know. It's just

532
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: like the McDonald's here is better. Yeah, it feels real.

533
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: It's like I can taste the clogs. But I bet

534
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: you there's some fancy restaurant that yeah, that's there. Yeah shit, sorry, guys,

535
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: whatever I was Actually, you know who knows a lot about.

536
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: Norway Norway jeans is our accountant?

537
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: Really? Yep, that's weird. She was talking all about if

538
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: we go. She was so excited that we're going to Europe.

539
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so excited that we're going to Amsterdam.

540
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: She started naming all these places we need to go

541
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: to Amsterdam and things we need to do. I'm tak

542
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: for that. One of the things she said is so

543
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: worth it. You can get on a bus and go

544
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: to tulip farms, big huge tulip farms and just walk

545
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: around and see, because they're going to be in bloom

546
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: while we're there.

547
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I like I love tulip so much.

548
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna say I'm in the ground.

549
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna say them I'm growing.

550
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: Big, big spas.

551
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: God, goy God.

552
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: And you know, all his friends, all his friends are

553
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: there and they're happy for you, and they're ready for you.

554
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the best feeling.

555
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: It's gonna be the best. It's going to be a

556
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: tulip farm.

557
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: We're going to meet God in Amsterdam and go to

558
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: a tulip farm with him.

559
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: All the fucking religious people just unsubscribed tulip lovers right,

560
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: unsubscribed what.

561
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: They should be. Honest, I know, I don't know.

562
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: Why there's so mad at us. We're fucking blowing them

563
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: up right now. We're like, oh do you like to

564
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: We like what you Yeah, tulip Murderinos are like Tulipino.

565
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: Finally our time, Jerry Tulipino. There you go, Jesus Christ, guys,

566
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: full apologies, all apologies, and we're back. Who'd have known

567
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: that a month later the fucking Golden State killer case

568
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: would be solved.

569
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: Looking back on this is always the weirdest to me

570
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 2: because it's gigantic and we we knew it was like

571
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: as it was unfolding, But it's so the idea that

572
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: this man was arrested, did go to jail, that that

573
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: actually happened in our lifetime and we all got to

574
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: witness it. Is it just like people never give it

575
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: what it's due.

576
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Right. It feels like a foundational part of the podcast too,

577
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: because it was you know, kind of in the first

578
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: couple of years, and it was something that we had

579
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: talked about multiple times with Michelle McNamara and us being

580
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: such huge fans of hers, and then for all of

581
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: us to play out was just incredible.

582
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: Right, And this is two years after those first episodes

583
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 2: where we talked about True Crime Diary. Yeah, her blog

584
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: in the first episode. I believe that's right, because you've

585
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: covered this case. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's very foundational

586
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: to us and what it was like kind of making

587
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: this show totally.

588
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: And then Paul Hols is like now part of the

589
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Art fucking Network.

590
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: So it's just very matrixy, very fateful, feeling. It's pretty incredible,

591
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: just just like it was so faithful that we covered

592
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: the Circleville Pumpkin Well, first of all, we covered the

593
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: Circleville letter thing at that live show.

594
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then got obsessed with the Pumpkin show. Of course,

595
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: a Circleville pumpkin show.

596
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: How did I forget? I literally did forget it was

597
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: called the Pumpkin Show? What do you call it? Which

598
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: was my favorite part about it? Oh, it's like like

599
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: I always thought it was festival or something, like I

600
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: knew it happened in Circleville show. Baby, it's a fucking show.

601
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: And actually it's still going on the Circle of Pumpkin Show.

602
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: It's official website currently builds it at Ohio's oldest festival,

603
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: and the one hundred and nineteenth Circle Bill Pumpkin Show

604
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: is scheduled for October twenty first through the twenty fourth

605
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: of this year. And my god, can you imagine.

606
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five the largest pumpkin winner The pumpkin

607
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: weighed one thy, nine hundred and seventy two pounds. What else,

608
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: what's the size of that? How much is a Cowwait?

609
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: What's this?

610
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: What does the let me say half too much?

611
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: I guess, okay, eight hundred pounds is the cowes.

612
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: Twelve hundred and fifteen hundred. It's the size of the

613
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: fucking cow.

614
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: It's bigger because this is almost two thousand pounds. This

615
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: the wait the winter? That wrong?

616
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, yeager than a motherfucking cow than a cow?

617
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: Should we talk about how for all our big talk

618
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: when we were in Amsterdam and Oslo, we never went

619
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: to see the tool and see anything.

620
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't think we realized what touring overseas was going

621
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: to take out of us on a day to day basis.

622
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: We couldn't be tourists on our own tour we wanted

623
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: to be and we were kind of trying to make

624
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: noises like we were going to be, and then it

625
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you know, I'm not getting on a

626
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: bus to go see tulips.

627
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: Oslo is also the city where our luggage didn't show

628
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: up with us, right, so we had to go on

629
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: stage and kind of like what we wore on the

630
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: plane and yeah, so that was a little bit of

631
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: a bummer.

632
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: And I had some weird sort of jet lag thing

633
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: happening where I was like it felt like I was

634
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: about nine hours behind and I was like when I

635
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: was awake, I was all fucked up and then I

636
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: couldn't sleep and it was wild.

637
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: It's like when you're on acid and you're like your

638
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: hands behind your hand, you know, It's like that's how

639
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: life is trailing behind.

640
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: It's all just trailing and you're just like, what is this?

641
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: Why do people come and watch us? I'm wearing pajamas

642
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: on stage? Why is even happening? And that show was

643
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: actually great that we did in Oslo. Yeah, Oh my god,

644
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: it was so fun. It was so good.

645
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: There's something about going on stage and like basically pajamas

646
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: that make like the pressure a little lower, you know.

647
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: Right, we had a good story to kick off that show. Right,

648
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: they were all very into it and just like it

649
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: was a real happy to be their situation. Plus architecturally,

650
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: whatever room that was in it was like, yeah, it

651
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: was like a beautiful auditorium from nineteen seventy totally, it

652
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: was beautiful.

653
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into your story about the Van Eys

654
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Courthouse shooting.

655
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: Who goes first this week? Karen kill Garath.

656
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: All right, none other than Karen kill Gariffs now from Columbus. Okay, No,

657
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm from northern California. So when I sat down to

658
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: do my murder this week tonight, four hours ago, I

659
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: was like, here's what I did. So and we talked

660
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: about this two weeks ago. Has somebody accidentally ordered They

661
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: meant to order themselves packets of the True Crime trading

662
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: cards and they ended up ordering boxes, so they gave

663
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: us each one.

664
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

665
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: I was sitting there and I have this really weird

666
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: habit of like when I'm like what I call processing

667
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: my mail quote unquote, I just put things in piles

668
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: on my counter and then spend days figuring out where

669
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: they need to go in my house. And that True

670
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: Crime the box of True Crime cards was sitting on

671
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: my counter, unopened, and I kept moving it around like

672
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: people would come over and where's it gonna live? Right, Well,

673
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: I decided it doesn't fucking need to live.

674
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: I'm opening that box and I'm opening every shock.

675
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

676
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is my box?

677
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: And why am I gonna like save it like some

678
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: Star Wars nerds? Sorry? And then unsubscribed subscribe Stephen gets up,

679
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: storms out, throws himself over the railing of the podcast.

680
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: But I was like, why am I saving this these?

681
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: This is my thing that I like, I want to

682
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: look at I loves go crazy. So I opened all

683
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: of them. The problem was, I got halfway through and

684
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: realized these are always going to there's only like save

685
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: five sets, right, and I'm just repeating them so you

686
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: have Yeah, I see what you're sayings, But my worry

687
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: was I would think that was true and then miss

688
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: a set. So then I just opened every single one.

689
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: And this just just says so much about how different

690
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: you and I are because I'm like, that must be

691
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: so free, because I can't open mind because it's like, no,

692
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: you'll ruin it. You're going to ruin it, Georgia. Don't

693
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: ruin everything, But how do you ruin the thing that's

694
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: supposed to be for you?

695
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

696
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't matter one hundred percent.

697
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: That's what I realized, because you know that thing I had,

698
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: I had my friends over for game night, which is

699
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: my It was so fun and it was the first

700
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: time I had people over in a really long time,

701
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: and it was I kind of like felt like I

702
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: had to because it already gotten hosted a couple of

703
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: other times. So it's like waiting on you. Yes, basically

704
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: put up or shut up. Oh. So when I was

705
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: cleaning my house, I was like, there's so much clutter

706
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 2: and bullshit in this house that I don't need or want.

707
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: But I have a weird connect, like I feel like

708
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to throw it over.

709
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.

710
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: So I tried to start doing that thing of like desert,

711
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: bring you joy, put it in your hand for three seconds,

712
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: and then throw away anything you don't need or truly want.

713
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: And when I looked at that box of things, I'm like,

714
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: I want to know what every card is, So why

715
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: didn't I just find out? Do it? I love it?

716
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: So now I have a stack this big. Oh my god,

717
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: I have sused through. We've done this already. I've never

718
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: heard of this. I've heard of this, okay, And now

719
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: I have my new stack, which is the best organized.

720
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: I love it. That has nothing to do with this

721
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: story I'm about to tell you, wow, because I was

722
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: just sitting there going like, think of like one of

723
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: the original a moment, it doesn't have to be a

724
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: whole story, And I thought about this event, so I

725
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: looked it up. I'm here to tell you all about

726
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 2: and tell me if you remember this from two thousand

727
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: and three, the Van Eys Courthouse shooting.

728
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember it, oh girl, oh honey. Okay.

729
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: So when Grandma was in her early twenties, this was

730
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: before the Internet existed, comics used to we used to

731
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: pass around videotapes with what essentially were today YouTube videos

732
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: on them. So there was and this is thing comics

733
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: did all the time. So it'd be like, we're all

734
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: going to go over to so and so's house and

735
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: watch so and so tapes. Patton was the one pattern

736
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: or blank patch usually are the ones that had them,

737
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: and they were just compilations of things you couldn't believe

738
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: you were watching.

739
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: So it would be like the very first.

740
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: One I saw had the farting preacher on it, So

741
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: it's that guy that they dubbed over farting. You know that,

742
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: you've seen that, Yeah, everyone's seen it. Then there was

743
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: there was like CNN bloopers when CNN first started. Yeah,

744
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: they used to fuck up on tape all the time,

745
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: and there was people that would just record it and

746
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: they would make like blooper reels of CNN stuff of

747
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: like you know that guy Bernard Shaw was the original

748
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: CNN anchor. He'd be like a sleep on camera. It

749
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: was awesome there's amazing stuff. Then there was really awful things,

750
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 2: like there was a orchestra that was playing one time

751
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: that the entire stage collapsed while the orchestra was playing,

752
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: and uh that was on there just random.

753
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: Cats, awful, crazy shit.

754
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: Cool. So this is one of those things that went

755
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: around this much later.

756
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: This is like how every like everything is terrible came

757
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: about where it's like totally before that was a thing.

758
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: EXA's what you did is you made compilations of fucking

759
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: weird shit.

760
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody would be at home and they'd be like,

761
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: what is this children's show where a weird adult is

762
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: teaching yoga? I'd better record this because I don't understand

763
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: what's happened. I love it. Yeah, so this is this

764
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: was a clip that was would have been on one

765
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: of those videos, and it's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

766
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: So I'll just tell you.

767
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: Okay, it happened on Halloween, October thirtieth, thirtieth, two thousand

768
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: and three.

769
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

770
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: Now, if you're from the Southland, you know that Van

771
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: Eyes is one of the most gorgeous cities.

772
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: You could visit. Oh God, so she's kidding.

773
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: It's just concrete it's concrete and discount furniture stores. Totally,

774
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. But out in the middle

775
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: of all that there is a what eight story the

776
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: Van Eys Courthouse, and the van Ie Courthouse is where

777
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: you go when you fucked up in your car, which

778
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: everybody does. Now.

779
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: I haven't been there because I fucked up in my car?

780
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: Would you do?

781
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I must have I don't know, a

782
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: moving violation, probably yes, So I.

783
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: Had to go there. I'm still mad about this.

784
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: I had a.

785
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: Friend who on fucking Ventura, which is down here. For

786
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: anybody that's not from down here. Ventura is the big

787
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: basically a four lane highway that's a street.

788
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: It's in a Tom Patty song. Even yeap Ventura Boulevard.

789
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: Ventura Boulevard.

790
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: It goes four miles through it basically buy sex or

791
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: runs up the middle of the San Fernando Valley. Yeah,

792
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: and you can get on it in at the Hollywood

793
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: where the Hollywood Bowl is essentially and you can drive

794
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: down for so long. I mean, I don't even know

795
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: how far it goes. So we were on Ventura at

796
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: I think it was like cold Water and Ventura and

797
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: it was like ten o'clock at night and we were

798
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: going to go to a party and my friend had

799
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: just gotten a very fancy sports car and from a

800
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: metered parking spot, she flipped a U turn on Ventura,

801
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 2: crossing four lanes of traffic to do this U turn,

802
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: and we immediately got pulled over. And I hadn't even

803
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: touched my seat belt yet. Oh no.

804
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 3: When we got pulled over, these two traffic or.

805
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: These two policemen, I don't know what kind they were,

806
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: but they were both young and they were hopped up

807
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: in a way that scared the living shit out of me.

808
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: And I was like, imagine if we were a car

809
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: full of black teenage boys, this would be beyond. And

810
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: they were so aggressive for no reason, and they were

811
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: like I needed to you're He was like, this guy

812
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: was tapping on the mine at you, my window, at you,

813
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: and it's well down the window. Let me see your idea,

814
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: like comment at us. And I kept going like I'm

815
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: the passenger. I didn't I'm not controlling the car. He's like,

816
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: your seat belt's not on. I go. We just pulled

817
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: out of the parking smea. Of course I was assassin

818
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: it up. I got a fucking three hundred and twenty

819
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: dollars ticket for not having my seatbelt. Oh no, or

820
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: some insane And this was when I lived in a

821
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: studio part yeah, I mean it was dark time.

822
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: It could not afford it.

823
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: And not only did I have to fay this really

824
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: high number, I had to appear in court for this

825
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: moving violation. So I wanted to murder my friend. Yeah,

826
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: say your name, work through it now, so you have

827
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: to go to the van I's courthouse. I was so

828
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: nervous to be in a courtroom. I was like dying, Well,

829
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: you have to sit there for the forty other cases

830
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 2: before yours. So it was just like one teenage boy

831
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: after another.

832
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 3: Bad, fucking depressing shit.

833
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: So depressing most of the teenage boys. It was for

834
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: their radios. Car stereos were up too loudt uh yes,

835
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: they were all like did you judge will be like,

836
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: young man, this is your fifth violation. You can't drive

837
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: with your stereo up this loud. There was like that

838
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: happened like fifteen times.

839
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean, figure it out, Kevin, like, just turn it

840
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: down a fucking dec of all.

841
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: Turn it down. I understand you're trying to make your friends.

842
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you're bad, and everyone around who you want

843
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: them to not fuck with you.

844
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: Because you're scared. Yes, we're all scared because you're scared

845
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: they'll see.

846
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: The real you, Kevin. But let me tell you, as

847
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: a fucking thirty seven year old who used to turn

848
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: shit up, you can't hear anything when you're an adult anymore.

849
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: The damage that I have done to my hearing, oh yeah,

850
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: is amazing.

851
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: Half my friends can't fucking hear anything because we all

852
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: used to go to shows and shit like you just don't.

853
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: It's not there's no, it's not fee boring. It's not

854
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: as cool as you think anyway. So by the time

855
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: I got up there, I basically the judge ended up

856
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: reducing the dollar amount because at one point I just went,

857
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: he was he was questioning me like I was the driver,

858
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: and I finally went, I was the passenger, and then

859
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: he went really, and then he was just like one

860
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty dollars or something.

861
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: My God cut it down, thank god.

862
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: But the entire experience was nerve jangling and sure infury.

863
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: So now I've set the scene a fan I's courthouse,

864
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: a very strange, large building, kind of ominous.

865
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'm there you. There's a discounferenure across the street.

866
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: There's a discounference across the other street. There's a donut

867
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: shop and the strip mall right there.

868
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: Yep.

869
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: It probably got great donuts.

870
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: And that's the only thing in that strip mall. Everything

871
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: else is closed.

872
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: There's also a nail salon.

873
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's there's two nail salons next to each other.

874
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: Yes, but otherwise there's nothing.

875
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: There's nothing.

876
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: And because it's van Ey's, it's always ninety one Togo.

877
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Oh, oh my god, ninety one and like and like, but

878
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: in a hot way, yes, a.

879
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: Stifling way, a stifling yet dry way like put.

880
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: And there's not one fucking tree in the entire city.

881
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: Funny that you should say. That almost does if on cue.

882
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: It's a per perfect setup. Okay. Yeah, there's no shade

883
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: except for the height of this building, this cement building.

884
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: It's dark times, so and so at this time, because

885
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: it was October thirty one, two thousand and three, normally

886
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: it's you're so far out there. The only people that

887
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: would be at this courthouse are people that have business there.

888
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: It's not there's you wouldn't go there for any other reason.

889
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: You're not good fun.

890
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: There's no fun to be had.

891
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: Not a great restaurant, face nothing, nothing good.

892
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a vintage cafeteria, you know, to go like.

893
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: All the other courthouses, they have nice things.

894
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: God, there's some great food at the La County Courthouse.

895
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: However, people do go to Pasadena Courthouse because it's gorgeous.

896
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: Is that true?

897
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: It's the one, it's the one they use it as

898
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: the courthouse in Pawnee in Parkinston Recreation.

899
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, right, yeah, I'm gonna say yes.

900
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna agree with myself. I'm a grant to anyway.

901
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: So it's like I want to say vantage but vintage,

902
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: pretty architectual, Yes, gorgeous. So yeah, that's not happening here

903
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: at the Van Vani's Courthouse.

904
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 3: They were like, we want.

905
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: To make it tall and upsetting looking, and it was

906
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: probably they did that in nineteen seventy two. Okay at

907
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: the time on this day, remember when Robert Blake had

908
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: to go to on trial for attempting to kill or

909
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: attempted murder or no murder, the murder of his wife

910
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: Bonnie Lee Bakeley. So this is an amazing overlap that

911
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: I didn't realize until I started researching this. So, for

912
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: those of you who don't know, Robert Blake was an actor,

913
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: he was a child actor. He was Beretta, he was

914
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: you know, he was kind of like the theme is

915
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: almost like a serious Ted Dancing of the seventies. Nothing

916
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: like Ted Dancing in anyway, almost the opposite really. But

917
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: this was the first television person I could think of.

918
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: So he yeah, he was like magnum p I but

919
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: like serious true.

920
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, didn't do a lot of comedy though, I

921
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: feel like Ted has better range. Yeah. So he and

922
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: his wife were eating dinner at a very famous old

923
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: Italian restaurant called Vitello's, which is on Tahunga I Thineah

924
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: and Vitello's has clearly been there since the fifties. And

925
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: he they left the restaurant and then he said, wait here,

926
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to go back into the restaurant.

927
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: I forgot my gun.

928
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: And he and Robert Blake went back into the restaurant

929
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: to get his gun, and while he was in there,

930
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: he forgot his gun. He forgot his gun in the

931
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: Italian restaurant. When his gun, I mean, because that's where

932
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: the gun would be when his wife is being shot

933
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: in the head out in the parking lot. He's not involved,

934
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: and his gun is in the restaurant. So that was

935
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 2: the suspicion and that's why he ended up going on trial.

936
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: And the trial and a bunch of shit took place

937
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: at the Van Eys Courthouse, which is amazing, and I

938
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: didn't know that because they were there there was pre

939
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: trial hearings going on because there was there was a

940
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: conspiracy charge between Robert Blake, saying Robert Blake and his

941
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: bodyguard who's named Earl Shit, I can't play.

942
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: Do they think he actually pulled the trigger?

943
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: No, they think that the conspiracy was that he went

944
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: in to get his gun really publicly while his bodyguard

945
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: was outside shooting Bonnie.

946
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they think that he shot Bonnie the security.

947
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: Guard right, the body y, Yes, okay, got it. Yes.

948
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: So they were at the courthouse that day to have

949
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: the pre trial hearing about this conspiracy charge. It eventually

950
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: got dropped and they ended up saying they didn't actually

951
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: really have a lot of direct evidence or real material evidence. Anyhow.

952
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: We'll do that story some other time.

953
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: But because that pre trial hearing was taking place at

954
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: the Van Nys courthouse that day.

955
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: There were all these news.

956
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 2: Cameras set up from all over the place internationally, set

957
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: up so that one Robert Blake walked out, they would

958
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: have the shot of him leaving the courthouse. Yeah, whatever

959
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: the verdict was for that pre trial hearing, they hadn't

960
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: even gone into the full murder trial yet. At the

961
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: same time, it was ten am that same morning, and

962
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: so all these cameras are set up, and meanwhile, fifty

963
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: three year old Willson probate attorney Gerald E.

964
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: Curry had just.

965
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: Had just appeared in court himself as a probate attorney

966
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: because he was representing client who was the trustee of

967
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 2: a special needs trust for a sixty four year old

968
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: man named William Streyer, and the trustee had said that

969
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: Stryer had been threatening her life and so she wanted

970
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: out of this trust. Stryer had been injured in a

971
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: car accident and he had won settlement money for that injury,

972
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: but the money was taken and put into this trust

973
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: because and what I'm gathering but I don't know for

974
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: a fact, but what it seems like is that he

975
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: was unstable and.

976
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: Could because of the accident.

977
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't meant that there's some for some reason,

978
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: he couldn't manage that money by himself. It was put

979
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: into a trust, and then this woman was placed in

980
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: charge of the trust.

981
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: So she had no connection like family or otherwise with

982
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: this guy.

983
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm not sure because these are the details. Yeah,

984
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: that was the case that Gerald Curry was in charge of,

985
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: and she was he was her lawyer. This trustees okay,

986
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: and basically the trust he was like, this guy's threatening

987
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: my life. He keeps saying, if I don't give him

988
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: the money, he's going to kill me. I don't want

989
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: to be involved in this.

990
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

991
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: So that's why they were there at the courthouse for

992
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: the hearing about that that trustees position. Oh my god.

993
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: So he walks outside.

994
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: I've seen that. Okay, Now I know you know what

995
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking about now because you said to this Stephen earlier,

996
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: keep this video handy. Yes, I've fucking seen this video. Now,

997
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: this video this kind of made me really like happy

998
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: in a weird way.

999
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: The wait, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong video. No, No,

1000
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: I think you're thinking of the right video. It's so incredible,

1001
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: insane and the idea that this happened on the day

1002
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: that all these cameras were already set up is beyond bizarre. Okay, okay,

1003
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: So so Gerald Curry, the attorney walks outside, just got

1004
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: that thing taken care of.

1005
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: It's ten am. I'm gonna go get a coffee. Blah

1006
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: blah blah.

1007
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: The attorney for the trustee is like, yep, he just ed,

1008
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to that amazing cafe outside of the

1009
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: Van Nice courthouse.

1010
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: Yep, get me and maybe go get my nails done.

1011
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: Right.

1012
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: He's standing there in the so it's like the court

1013
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: the courthouse is there, and then there's this kind of

1014
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: long rectangular courtyard and that's where all the cameras are

1015
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: set up. And as he's standing there, and it's the

1016
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: courtyard has bushes and trees and things planted. Oh okay

1017
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: remember this part.

1018
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

1019
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: So, as he's standing there, just stepped out of the courthouse,

1020
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: a stranger walks up to him that he's never seen

1021
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: before and says, is your name, Gerald Curry? Now? What

1022
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: is our answer if some a stranger walks up and says,

1023
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: is your name Georgia hart Stark? No, No, it's not, Nope,

1024
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: I don't know that name.

1025
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: What are your What would your intentions be if I

1026
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: was Georgia hard Stark?

1027
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: What can I pass message along to Georgia Hard But

1028
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: I know her, I've heard of her, but it's not

1029
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: it's not me. But if you want to never fucking

1030
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: cop to shit. If a stranger is asking you questions,

1031
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: why do you ask? Would be the response? Why do

1032
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: you ask?

1033
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 3: Why do you ask? What's going on? Or even this?

1034
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: Excuse me?

1035
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: Go bye and you get the fuck away. But I'm

1036
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: sure that Gerald Curry was just like, I'm at a

1037
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: fucking courthouse. Everything's okay. So he says, yes, I am

1038
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: Gerald Curry, and this man pulls out a gun and

1039
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: starts shooting shit. Two shots are fired, and all the

1040
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: news cameras are like, what the fuck is going on?

1041
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: Rollum and they start recording Holy shit, do you want

1042
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: to play that video? So this is as it happened.

1043
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: He got a nice survived, which is fucking straight up.

1044
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: And he says he didn't know the person all that,

1045
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 2: he didn't even see the gun. He hears the pops,

1046
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: he fell blood on his face and he realized he

1047
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: was being shot. So in his mind he said, I

1048
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: have to be a moving target. I have to start moving,

1049
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: so he just starts trying to dodge the d this

1050
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: this video.

1051
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: This dudea's legit like fucking tap dancing to get the

1052
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: fuck away from this bullet.

1053
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: And he hides behind what is the thinnest tree in

1054
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: recorded history. It's the most upsettingly small tree. There's nothing

1055
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: to hide behind.

1056
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: He's like doing a thing. It's like a cartoon where

1057
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm hiding by this tree. Yeah, no I'm not.

1058
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: It's this craziest.

1059
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: It's beyond Meanwhile, the whole place in this video, and

1060
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: when you go on to see it, there's a girl

1061
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: on a payphone in the background, like what the fuck,

1062
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: like like ten feet away. Yeah, like this this is

1063
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: like all the sudden handgun shooter. So apparently everyone that

1064
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: was near by in the courtyard, all the camera men

1065
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: start rolling. The people that were in the courtyard run

1066
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: around the corner. So the good news was that at

1067
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: the same time, La County Sheriff's Reserve Deputy David Katz

1068
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: was off duty as a reserve as a as a

1069
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: Sheriff's deputy, so he was at the courthouse because he

1070
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: was working in the traffic court.

1071
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, where where.

1072
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's your friend. He was there working

1073
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: traffic court, but he's wearing a suit and tie, and

1074
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't have his gun on him. He's totally unarmed.

1075
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: He only has his badge. So when the when the

1076
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 2: shots start popping off, everybody runs like around this corner

1077
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: onto the street, and he does too. Then he hears

1078
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: someone run up to a tow truck driver and say

1079
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: call nine one one, a deputy just got shot. And

1080
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: then he hears that and runs back into the courtyard

1081
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: even though he doesn't have a gun and there's kind

1082
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: of nothing he can do. He pulls out his badge

1083
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: and he's like, I have to go back in, Like

1084
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: I can't run away from this, and goes back in.

1085
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: And as he goes back in, the first person that's

1086
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: walking by, he says, where's the deputy that's got shot?

1087
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: And the person who he asks never breaks stride and

1088
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: doesn't turn his head to look at him, and goes

1089
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: he's back there and keeps walking, totally calm Calm's day.

1090
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: Then a cameraman sees that exchange and starts yelling, that's

1091
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: the shooter, that's the shooter. So basically, my god, David

1092
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: Katz walked by the shooter and asked him that question,

1093
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: and the guy was like as if nothing had happened,

1094
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: walking away from the scene. And so he realizes that's

1095
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: his one moment and he has to get this guy.

1096
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: So he turns around, runs and jumps and tackles him,

1097
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 2: grabs him by the neck, pulls him down. Basically, he

1098
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: said he tried to hit him as hard as he

1099
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: could because he knew that he would have to, like

1100
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: this was his one chance, and he knew he had

1101
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: at least one gun on him. So David Katz tackles him,

1102
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: and he it turned out he did have a second

1103
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he just never got he just never

1104
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 2: used it. And then once David Katz tackles him, then

1105
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of other deputies had come out of the building.

1106
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: They're all on him. Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah, And apparently

1107
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: one witness said that when uh so, the shooter's name

1108
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: was a man is a man named William Stryer, and

1109
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: he was the person who he had been injured in

1110
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 2: a car accident and he wanted the money from that trust.

1111
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 3: And he does he think happens in life in Law.

1112
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: That's our new show coming this fall to ABC, what's

1113
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: happening in life.

1114
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: In law, and it's just no in life and law

1115
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: in life in law, and it's like a mom she's trying.

1116
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: It's motherboard is the working title?

1117
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: That's so I can relate to it.

1118
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what the fuck? I know it doesn't work

1119
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:07,479
Speaker 3: like that.

1120
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: You've just proven you shouldn't have any money because you

1121
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: don't understand and.

1122
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: Because you're going through life. If something fucks you, you

1123
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: just threatened to kill it. Totally. That's the reason that

1124
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: they were in court is because he had already threatened

1125
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: to kill the trustee. Yeah, and then it comes out.

1126
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: I never found what the actual ruling was, but I imagine

1127
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: it was.

1128
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: Not for him.

1129
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: Sure, but he knew that Gerald Curry was the lawyer

1130
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 2: that was the trustees lawyer.

1131
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 3: So it has nothing to do with you.

1132
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: And it won't even help you to punish this person

1133
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: because they're they're two steps oh too fucking what do

1134
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: they call it, uh degrees away from the fucking problem

1135
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: they're having to become from Kevin Bacon. Yes.

1136
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: Well, and also he had already made the bad mistake,

1137
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: which is you're not allowed to threaten people say give

1138
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: me my money or I'll kill you, so that you

1139
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: now just qualified yourself from the money, but you want

1140
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: it to be someone else's fault that you don't have

1141
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: that money. So you've decided that this lawyer is keeping

1142
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: you from the money. And apparently a witness said that

1143
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: he heard Stryer say when the shooting was done, he

1144
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: shot at him six times, and Stryer was hit four

1145
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: of those six times. I mean, I'm sorry. Jerald Curry

1146
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: was hit for the six times. But then once the

1147
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: shooting was over, before he calmly walked away, a witness

1148
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: that he heard him say, that's what you get for

1149
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: stealing my money.

1150
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: So he in his fucking mind he thinks that these

1151
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: people are all trying to steal his money.

1152
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 2: Yes, So at the trial, William Stryer appears in court

1153
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: laying on a hospital gurney because of his claiming it's

1154
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: because of his long standing back injury. So he's in bed,

1155
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: in in court in bed, which is a dream. I've

1156
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: had that thing where you're in a dream. You like

1157
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: wake up and you're like, I'm at school, but I'm

1158
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: also in bed.

1159
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you're the weird one in bed.

1160
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: Certainly not.

1161
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: It's not like the naked dream, but it's like the

1162
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: you didn't get the memo that you're supposed to be

1163
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: out of bed.

1164
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: Right now, you're supposed to get out of bed, So

1165
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: then you're trying to play it off and just kind

1166
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: of be like, oh, not in bed, No, it's fine,

1167
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm just in bed a little bit in public.

1168
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I actually had that, or like I had

1169
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: the like, wait, starting to wake up and you think

1170
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: there are people there and be like, no, I'm not

1171
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: in bed, I'm not sleeping.

1172
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: Right that basic you think.

1173
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: A couple of my in bed dreams have been in

1174
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: being on people's front lawns in bed where.

1175
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: I think it's because when I first.

1176
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: Moved to La, it was so weird to me that

1177
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: people live so close together that, and so many people

1178
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 2: live so close together that that idea of like like.

1179
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: We're basically on each other's fucking lawns, yes, yeah, or

1180
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: in each other's.

1181
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: Like and I'm just going to sleep here. I'm just

1182
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: gonna be out here. I don't know anyway, Okay. Basically

1183
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: his lays so the shooter, William Streyer's lawyer say he

1184
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: needed immediate access to that trust fund because he needed

1185
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: a back operation so badly, but he was being barred

1186
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: by the trustee and that's why he was so upset.

1187
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: And that he also was on Demaroll, which is an

1188
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: incredibly strong painkiller. Okay, what I remember of friends being

1189
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: on Demoroll. It's like vic it in style, Yeah, but

1190
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: I think it's it's bigger. I think it's like goes

1191
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: into the oxy conton direction. Be it style, shit, I

1192
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: think so. So they were kind of using that. And

1193
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: the judge, who was named Judge Rubin, noted that Strayer

1194
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: had shot a neighbor four times in nineteen sixty nine.

1195
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty nine, he got into it with a neighbor,

1196
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: shot his neighbor four times, for which he served ninety

1197
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: days and got two years probation. So this is the

1198
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: way this guy dealt with everything in his life.

1199
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: Yea.

1200
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: And the first time around on that the way that

1201
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: all got pled down. The judge this time around was like,

1202
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: you tried to use that I'm on pills. Yeah, there's

1203
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: something wrong with me thing before and they fell for

1204
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: it last time. It's not happening this time.

1205
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: And it's like, dude, you think we wouldn't have checked that?

1206
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: Come on, Yeah, exactly. You got a bit of a history. Yeah,

1207
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: that's going to stick with you. William Streyer asked the

1208
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: judge if he could address the court, and then he

1209
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: get out of bed.

1210
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: To do it.

1211
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: You know, he's still in bed. He just like sits

1212
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 3: up in bed and he's like, he's like, hey, he

1213
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: adjusts pajamas.

1214
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: He goes to address the court, but he starts to

1215
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: veer off track and he starts to say it's the

1216
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: cameraman's fault that they didn't stop him from shooting at

1217
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: Joe Curry. Yes, so he starts trying to blame the

1218
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: cameramen that were standing around, and that's when the judge

1219
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: was like, no, no, you're not doing this anymore. Not

1220
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: only are you not going to make the statements to

1221
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: the court, now you're not allowed to be in this room.

1222
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: You have to go put your bed in the hallway

1223
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: and you have to listen through it.

1224
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: Oh my, you have to listen.

1225
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: To the remainder of the proceedings through a speaker. So

1226
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: he got sent from bed out of the courtroom.

1227
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 3: Go to your bed where it's like, take your bed

1228
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: to this.

1229
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 2: Just roll that motherfucker out into the hallway. You don't

1230
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: even get to We're not even gonna look at you anymore.

1231
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: Because also that it's so funny. My sister was in

1232
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: she got hit by a guy who was ship faced

1233
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: at eight in the morning. Oh god, oh god. Yeah,

1234
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: she had really bad back problems and this guy pulled

1235
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: shit like that. He showed up one day in court

1236
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: with his daughter on it, like carrying his daughter on.

1237
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: His hip saying what sorry, I just I didn't have babysitink.

1238
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: It's like people doing all these plays to get empathy

1239
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: and sympathy and like to get people on their side.

1240
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, she won, that's the goodness.

1241
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: Okay. Judge Rumman was basically all over this shit, and

1242
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: he was like the deputy district attorney. Basically it was

1243
01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: like William Stryer tried to execute mister Curry. He had

1244
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: no remorse, he never accepted responsibility. He was still making

1245
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: excuses by the time he was in the courtroom.

1246
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: And blaming it on other people not stopping him. Yes,

1247
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: that's bananas. Yes, it's insanity.

1248
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: And also when you see this video, because that is

1249
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: something maybe that would go through someone's mind of like

1250
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: why did they hit why did they roll record on

1251
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: their video? Instead of doing something. But it's somebody with

1252
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: a gun.

1253
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, I get doing both. Yes, you know,

1254
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: well also but who would really it's a gun.

1255
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: They're like a run up to this guy and not

1256
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: can tackle him unarmed, And even a sheriff's deputy was like, no,

1257
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: you had to take cover. Yes, if you don't have

1258
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 2: any way to fight it. Yeah, it doesn't make a

1259
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: ton of sense to be like, no, I'm going to go.

1260
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 3: Take care of this.

1261
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: And they those camera men who recorded that then also

1262
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: were the ones that were like he's right there, like

1263
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: they were all over it. Anyway, that was who that's

1264
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: bullshit anyway. But yeah, basically, WILLIAMS. Schreyer was convicted of

1265
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: attempt murder and in two thousand and six he was

1266
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: sentenced to life in prison plus twenty five years, and

1267
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: he ended up dying in prison because he was already

1268
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: he was sixty three when he did this. Gerald Curry

1269
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: went to that sentencing and he told reporters, my main

1270
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: concern is my safety, in my family safety, and so

1271
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: he said he felt satisfied with the fact that the

1272
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: fact that he knew William Streuer was going to prison

1273
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: and he would be in prison because he was so

1274
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 2: old already for the rest of his life. He was like,

1275
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: that's all I care about.

1276
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: And that's fine.

1277
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the shooting left a bullet lodged in the back

1278
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: of his neck and he had a really bad PTSD

1279
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: after it happened. Gerald Curry died in twenty twelve, which

1280
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: is very sad. David Katz, the Sheriff's deputy, got a

1281
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 2: Medal of Valor for going back into that fray and

1282
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: tackling him, and he went on to work as a

1283
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: reserve deputy deputy for in charge of Search and Rescue

1284
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: unit for the La Sheriff's Department. And that is the story,

1285
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: the very fascinating and horrifying story of the Van Nice

1286
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: Courthouse shooting. Dude, isn't that nuts?

1287
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 3: That's nuts? And the fact that it's on video is

1288
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 3: so bananas. It's so crazy. It's like a time yeah,

1289
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: and you didn't see that shit.

1290
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: No, I remember us whoever put in the video. I

1291
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: remember David Cross was there, like it was it was

1292
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 2: the early nineties or no, it couldn't have been early nineties,

1293
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: but it was like early la time of my life

1294
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 2: and we were standing watching the video like, holy shit,

1295
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: it was so crazy, and it was almost like Joe

1296
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: Curry was defying logic by yes, he it didn't even

1297
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 2: look like he was getting shot.

1298
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: It didn't look like he was getting shot.

1299
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: It looked like he was avoiding these shots. But the

1300
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: gunshots just kept coming.

1301
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, what a scary situation to be in

1302
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: that this is happening, and so far you've made it

1303
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: and you're fucking dodging these bullets, but keep going like, oh,

1304
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: like what it's terrifying, so crazy. I mean some of

1305
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: lit anxiety. I'm like constantly waiting for someone to just

1306
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: start shooting at me whenever I'm in fucking public. Yeah,

1307
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: and so to see so I think what I meant

1308
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: when I said that this made me feel better is

1309
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: to see something that happened to someone and he dodged

1310
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: the and he was okay, right, So like it was

1311
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: like the thing of all right, it might happen, but

1312
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: maybe you could also be okay. Yeah, that's that's that

1313
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: was crazy. That's a crazy, fun story. That's awful as well.

1314
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: Thank you for telling me.

1315
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I totally forgot that. I remembered that. That's from

1316
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: my new segment. Remember this horrible thing that had a

1317
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: tiny piece of video attached to it. Hey remember this?

1318
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're back, Karen. Any updates.

1319
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: Unfortunately there's no updates because I wish we could talk

1320
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: about this case for the rest of our lives.

1321
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1322
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: What a wild thing to kind of witness on the

1323
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 2: local news. Totally unhinged and that was just like the

1324
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 2: beginning of unhinged behavior in this country.

1325
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: Right, Like two thousand and three is when it happened. Right,

1326
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, oh, you don't know what this is

1327
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: going to.

1328
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: Be, like a blip on that.

1329
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: This is nothing now, this is nothing like it seems

1330
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: like such a big story.

1331
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean that story it is. It was.

1332
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: It was the craziest story. Yeah. But it's just so

1333
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: sad in this country that we have been forced to

1334
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: accept this state of the state with gun violence in

1335
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: this country.

1336
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1337
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: Well, since there was no updates, let's just move it along.

1338
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: We're going to get into Georgia's story about Wana Barraza

1339
01:05:51,080 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: and La Mata viehitas.

1340
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: Ready, all right, I want to get this right, Okay,

1341
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: this is important. I'm about to tell you about El

1342
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: Madavajitas oh aka the old Lady Killer. Oh shit, Yeah, okay,

1343
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: fucking buckle the fucking all right, Halo. Hey, the capital

1344
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: of Mexico, Mexico City is Mexico City.

1345
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 3: Have you heard?

1346
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: Yes, you're so good at jography, you got it.

1347
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: Did you know?

1348
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: It's the third the world's third most populous city according

1349
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: to this Wikipedia that I hope it's.

1350
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 3: Up to date from nineteen seventy four.

1351
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: It's okay, so it's estinated that one million of its

1352
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,479
Speaker 1: residents are over sixty years old.

1353
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: Whoa.

1354
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in nineteen ninety eight, when brutal murders of

1355
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: elderly women begin to start popping up in Mexico City,

1356
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: the press starts to speculate that there's a serial killer,

1357
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: and they dubbed the serial killer El Madavaharis. But police

1358
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: are like, no, no, no, you guys are fucking freaking out.

1359
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: Calm down. This is media sensationalism. It's just that elderly

1360
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: women keep getting killed. Yeah, but it's not a serious

1361
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: trying to link them together. Yeah, calm down, it's not

1362
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: a serial killer. But Mexico has no shortage of serial killers.

1363
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: Gregario Cardinias Hernandas was known as the Strangler of Tacuba,

1364
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: and he became a celebrity in Mexico after he was

1365
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: caught murdering four young women and bearing them in his backyard.

1366
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: This is in the forties.

1367
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

1368
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: There was even a fucking porn based on his crimes. Jesus, Yes,

1369
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: he was like a celebrity. He was in prison for

1370
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: thirty years, but in nineteen seventy six he was pardoned

1371
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: and celebrated as a hero because he had like changed

1372
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: his light. He'd like fucking played the piano in prison,

1373
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: learned to play the fucking piano. So they were like, no,

1374
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: it's has changed, you know what I mean.

1375
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: The piano's nice, though.

1376
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, no one who plays the piano can be

1377
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: a bad person.

1378
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 2: Heart and soul, get a little get a couple of

1379
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: rounds of heart and soul going.

1380
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: That's all he learned how to play. It's not that hard,

1381
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: it's not.

1382
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 2: And they're like, he's reformed. It's like, please stop doing that.

1383
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: Oh God.

1384
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:28,520
Speaker 1: There's also the sisters Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzalez,

1385
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:34,440
Speaker 1: known as a La Poconese the little Pocchese.

1386
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: Poke. Yeah, that sounds about right.

1387
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 1: From the nineteen fifties until nineteen sixties, they're the women,

1388
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: older women, their sisters. They run a large scale prostitution ring.

1389
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh and they murdered at least ninety one people. These

1390
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: two fucking middle aged women. What for? Because they whenever

1391
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: one of their sex workers that they had kidnapped and

1392
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,839
Speaker 1: forced into sex working was and couldn't do it anymore,

1393
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: they would kill them.

1394
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 3: They would kill if like a.

1395
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: John came who had money on him, they would kill

1396
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: like these sugar fucking bananas. Their Againness World Record called

1397
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: them the most prolific murder partnership. Oh wow, yeah, and

1398
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: actually one of they both went to prison, one died

1399
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: there and the other one served her time and got

1400
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: out and no one ever tracked her down after that.

1401
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 3: Are you serious?

1402
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna need the fucking This is not media sensationalism.

1403
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: This might be a serial killer, right.

1404
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 2: Yes, all right? Can I just say this really quickly?

1405
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: As you were telling that story, I started to think

1406
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: about my favorite one of my favorite things in the

1407
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: world to observe or listen to is And it happens

1408
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 2: a lot in LA because there's lots of people who

1409
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 2: are bilingual were probably raised in like multi language households.

1410
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: Don't you love it when you're standing by two people.

1411
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 2: It's for some reason, it's always teenage girls in my mind,

1412
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: and they're speaking Spanish to each other because I think

1413
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 2: they're trying to tell like private stuff or secrets.

1414
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 3: But then they'll just say interchangeably with English.

1415
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 2: They'll just blow They'll say an English word perfectly, like

1416
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 2: almost valley girl accents.

1417
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1418
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: So it's like and a thing that you don't know

1419
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: or understand. And then it'll be like the car wash,

1420
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 2: aren't I right? Yes, exactly, there's phrases in it. It's

1421
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: like it's my favorite la thing. Yeah, and I'm also

1422
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: a very bad eats dropper.

1423
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: Or a very good east or the best or listening

1424
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: to people at car washes.

1425
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: I all the time. I wish I could speak fluent

1426
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 2: in a different language. And then that like the idea

1427
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: that you can do that and just flip back and

1428
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: forth like, well, now I have to say something private,

1429
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: and I know that this person over here is probably listening.

1430
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm deeply embarrassed as someone from southern

1431
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: California born and raised that I don't know Spanish like it.

1432
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: It feels like I'm being fucking elitist and rude.

1433
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 3: It's kind of rude it is.

1434
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: Well, so it's yeah, it'd be easy for me to learn, right,

1435
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: But my sister and my dad went to the JC

1436
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: and took a Spanish class together.

1437
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: That's cool. I know, I love that, but I wish

1438
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: I wish I did it too, And also I wish

1439
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 2: I hadn't taken French. It just served me, and I'm like,

1440
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: it's like, I think, a couple of menus it's helped me. Yeah,

1441
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: a couple fancy dinners and pretty much that's it. It's

1442
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: about it.

1443
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: And my fucking sister in law is Mexican and el

1444
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: salad or and so my nephew is part of that

1445
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: as well. And the fact that you know he can't

1446
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: talk to his aunt in one of his fucking languages. Yeah,

1447
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: it just makes me feel shitty.

1448
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: Let's go to Los Angeles Community College done right down

1449
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: there on like on Melrose and like Western.

1450
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a community college right that.

1451
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 2: I went out of high school?

1452
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 3: Did you really?

1453
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1454
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 3: You didn't take any Spanish. No, let's do that.

1455
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: I would love.

1456
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 2: That would be super fun.

1457
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 3: Or can we get sponsored by what's that Rosetta Stone?

1458
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: Rosetta Stone, Come on, let's have it our minds are open.

1459
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to learn, please teach us.

1460
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 2: Okay.

1461
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 3: Boo boo boo boo boo boop. Okay, but okay, so.

1462
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: Back to fucking l amudava haras. Okay, Mata. I feel

1463
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,839
Speaker 2: like you're got you got the accent.

1464
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, right, I'm ready.

1465
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're ready.

1466
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: It's like, I know a little Yiddish. I can fucking

1467
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: turn that into something else.

1468
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 3: You got the ear.

1469
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 2: Listen why they say once you have Yiddish, Spanish comes

1470
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 2: immediately afterwards.

1471
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 3: That's what they say.

1472
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 2: Great at Los Angeles Community.

1473
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 3: Let's that's the motto.

1474
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: Once you have Yiddish, the world is your oyster.

1475
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: The world opens up to you.

1476
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: That's really the baseline. It's kind of the it's the Latin. Yeah,

1477
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: but for.

1478
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: Yelling, yelling at your grand kid, your granddaughter Georgia, and

1479
01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: Yiddish is the Latin.

1480
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: Don't fits all over my chesterfield? Right, grandma?

1481
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 3: Stuff? Why am I sweating on her chestster fields? Like

1482
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 3: got furniture?

1483
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: Right?

1484
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 2: Why sweating? I took what I thought your grandma would

1485
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: say and then added to something my grammy used to say,

1486
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 2: would be like get off the chesterfield, because she for

1487
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: some reason said same couch or sofa.

1488
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: But you know me well enough that I am constantly sweating,

1489
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: which is fucking true about me to know that.

1490
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 2: I'm not schitzing is the only kiddish word I have, like.

1491
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: On hand, okay, not personal. Rice comonter is one of

1492
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: my favorite. What's that it's just bothering, like touching it

1493
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: and going through. My mom would say, uh, don't don't

1494
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: risk come out of the cats rice comter. Uh huh

1495
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: wow the cats.

1496
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 2: Like with the cats, cats do that?

1497
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's like leave them alone, do not risk

1498
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: them out of the cats.

1499
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, here's what I learned. Uh in Gaelic. Can

1500
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 2: you give me more whiskey?

1501
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 3: Please?

1502
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: I want to punch someone is uh. I'm saying it

1503
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: with a really strong assset right now. But that's good.

1504
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna repeat that.

1505
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna try it when we're in uh,

1506
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: when we're in Dublin, Dublin, I'm gonna try to I'm

1507
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: gonna use it, use.

1508
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 3: It, and you give me more whiskey please.

1509
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 2: Yes, I have rage issues.

1510
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 3: I feel like I want to punch someone. To punch someone,

1511
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 3: it'll help me.

1512
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1513
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: And then but I'm still gonna punch someone. Yeah, okay,

1514
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it.

1515
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 2: And then before you get the third word out, they're

1516
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: gonna be like, we got chef, don't worry. Oh, I

1517
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 2: know what.

1518
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: You're talking about.

1519
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna have fun there, Okay, all right. So

1520
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,480
Speaker 1: back there in the early two thousands, uh so, authorities

1521
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: said that the murders of the old women aren't connected

1522
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: and aren't the work at the serial killer. But there's

1523
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: a fucking clear pattern to the murders. All the victims

1524
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: are women in their sixties or older, and they're found

1525
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: in their own homes. All of them either blegened or

1526
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: strangled and afterwards are robbed. There's never any sign of

1527
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: fourth century and most of them lived alone. And so

1528
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: I went online and did a lot of research because

1529
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of English stories about this, stories

1530
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 1: about this in English. But I found a website that

1531
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: has unexpectedly every single fucking crime scene photo with the

1532
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: body is in them.

1533
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 3: Oh, just one of.

1534
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,879
Speaker 1: Those, like surprise, And then I start scrolling and it's

1535
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: like all of them. Whoa, And it's really hard, and

1536
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: it's so it's essentially like you're a It's like abuela

1537
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: a bueila, every fucking grandma, like Mexican grandma you've ever

1538
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: seen with her like house of her, like with her

1539
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: newspaper from the morning, and her shopping and her you know,

1540
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: there's crosses everywhere. It's like every Mexican grandmother. It's so horrible,

1541
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: Like you think you get to live a life of

1542
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: like comfortable dresses with pockets and like, you know, feeding

1543
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: your grandkids too much sugar, and it's like that's the women,

1544
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: that's who it is, and it's really fucking sad.

1545
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 2: And I had to after a few scrolls, had to

1546
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: stop doing and stop looking at it. Yeah, don't Yeah,

1547
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: that's the worst.

1548
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really depressing. Okay, So the chief prosecutor

1549
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: in Mexico City profiles the killer it's Bernardo Batis, saying

1550
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: that they that he has a brilliant mind. He's quite

1551
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 1: clever and careful. It was thought that whoever was doing

1552
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: it was taking the time to gain the trust of

1553
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: their intended victims because there's no fourth entry, so one

1554
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: theory is that the person might be posing as a

1555
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: government official, providing them like an opportunity to sign up

1556
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: for welfare programs at the door and they like the

1557
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: suite of Whale's invite them in years Dragon Bodies Pilot, Like,

1558
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 1: there's just many murders of these older women, and authorities

1559
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: have all these different theories, but they really don't know

1560
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: what's going on.

1561
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 3: They said there might be multiple killers.

1562
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: They find that their one really weird detail is that

1563
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: three of the victims owned a copy of an obscure

1564
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: eighteenth century painting, Jean Bautiste Grazoo's Boy in a Red Waistcoat, Oh,

1565
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: which turns out to be a red herringet just might

1566
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: be a fucking that Abuhala's love that fucking painting.

1567
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like some it was like the thing

1568
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 2: that was for sale in the market or whatever.

1569
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, that's pretty.

1570
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: So it just turns out that like that.

1571
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: That's how That's how little they have to go on

1572
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: is they're like, what's a connection. Well, they all had

1573
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: this painting? Oh is that the connection? Like who's sold?

1574
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 3: You know, they don't know somebody that hates waistcoats?

1575
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean who among usks? M Okay, So just to

1576
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: show how desperate they are, the killings would start and

1577
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: stop again, or stop and start again even I mean

1578
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: both directions. They would go all over the place, they

1579
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: would stop, you know, no information surface. Okay, the killing

1580
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: of eighty two year old Carmen Camilla Gonzales Miguel on

1581
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: September twenty eighth, two thousand and five. She's an upper

1582
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 1: class woman and she's the mother of prominent Mexican criminologist

1583
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: Luis Raffel Raphael Morano Gonzalez. So that finally police are like,

1584
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: all right, now, we'll fucking pay attention to this and

1585
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: let's let's get this going. So they start the operation

1586
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: of parks and gardens to like try to find this person.

1587
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: So officers patrol the areas where the killer was active,

1588
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 1: and pamphlets are passed out telling, you know, the elderly women.

1589
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 3: What did I say, pampas pamphlets?

1590
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 2: I did?

1591
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: That was just like one of my nostrils closing as

1592
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: I said it.

1593
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 2: I didn't have pamphlets. I thought it was a Spanish

1594
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 2: word that I had just never heard of, you know, pamphlets.

1595
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 2: They when they handled all the pamphla pampalitos.

1596
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 3: Uh even was that a dirty word?

1597
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: Okay?

1598
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 3: Okay, pamphlets you've heard of them.

1599
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: You love them, you know them, you love pamphlets. I

1600
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: love a nice pample one thing about you, you know,

1601
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: I got if it's glossy in color, give them them on,

1602
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: come on, okay, tell them telling them to be wary

1603
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 1: of strangers. So sketches are distributed, and they like they

1604
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 1: even pay elderly women to act as bait in parks,

1605
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: what like fucking undercover elderly women hanging out being like,

1606
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: who's gonna come murder maybe murder you? And they're like, well,

1607
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: promise we'll stop them before they can murder.

1608
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: You, but please tell me they weren't genuinely elderly because

1609
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: they were dressed. Said, really, that's what this said.

1610
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: They even paid elderly women to act as bait in

1611
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: park areas.

1612
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, I know, well that's kind of a good

1613
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 2: living because if nothing happens, you're like, well, thanks for

1614
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 2: my thirty books. Yeah.

1615
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: And they're also like, well they kill them at home,

1616
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: so like the park is the safest fucking place to

1617
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: be right now.

1618
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 2: They were actually scamming the cops. They were just like, yeah,

1619
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: this sounds like a great project.

1620
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 1: No, I bet you'll catch them for sure, but uh,

1621
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: you gotta pay me fifty I swear I saw someone

1622
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: weird yesterday, maybe look by today.

1623
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 2: And definitely in this park and not at home.

1624
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: I need money to buy my waistcoat. Boy okay, boom

1625
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: boop boop da da da da Okay. So a witness

1626
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: reported seeing a large Soon after one of the murders,

1627
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: a witness reported seeing a large woman in a red

1628
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: blouse leaving the home of a murdered woman. So police

1629
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 1: start to speculate that the killer could be wearing female

1630
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: clothing as a ploy, uh you know, and cross dressing,

1631
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: and so the authorities launched a massive roundup of Mexico

1632
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: City's transvestite population.

1633
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: Guess how that goes badly? Badly.

1634
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 1: Guess how the transvestites are treated in Mexico City horribly

1635
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: orally so ultimately, forty nine of Mexico City's transvestite sex

1636
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: workers are detained and questioned and fucking hassled. They suffer

1637
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: through a million investigations before being released when their princedon't

1638
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 1: match any collected from the crime scene. Two months later,

1639
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: police they're just don't know what the fuck's going on.

1640
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: They think maybe that person died, so they start checking

1641
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: fucking uh fingerprints at the morgue. Well, just because I

1642
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: think he committed They got like a word that he

1643
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: committed suicide. They like make this insane bust of the

1644
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: like a clay bust of the person's face. Steven, maybe

1645
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: you can find it actually.

1646
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 3: Ooh like best based on sketches.

1647
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh of like who he is? Then in January

1648
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, the landlord of eighty two year

1649
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: old Anna Maria dale res Alfaro comes home and finds

1650
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: someone fleeing. The landlord finds someone fleeing this woman's home. Okay,

1651
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: He goes and checks on his tenant and he finds

1652
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 1: Anna Maria dead on the floor, and he calls police,

1653
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: gives a detailed description of the attacker. Police gets to

1654
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: the scene fucking immediately, and they are able to track

1655
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: down the person who's fleeing. It turns out that el

1656
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,520
Speaker 1: Madavajaras is la madavaharas.

1657
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,480
Speaker 2: That means girl dun dun dun boom.

1658
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: Yes, killers actually fuck is a woman little ld lady

1659
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: killer is a fucking woman whoa yeah twist aru uh.

1660
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: Wanna Baraza is forty eight and she's a single mother

1661
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: of four. She had close cropped, tight like real short

1662
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: dyed blonde hair mole on her face, and she looks

1663
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: exactly like this bus.

1664
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: There's like photos.

1665
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: Online her standing next to the bus and it's creepy

1666
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: as fuck.

1667
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they nailed that. The nose is a little off.

1668
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: Yes, she looks like the killer based on witness accounts,

1669
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: but she's not a man. She's just a masculine woman.

1670
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: They catch her as she's leaving her last victim's house.

1671
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: She's carrying a stethoscope, pension formed and carrying and identifying

1672
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: a card identifying.

1673
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: Her as a social worker. Oh fuck yeah.

1674
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: So her EMMO would be that she would knock on

1675
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: the door, smile, introduce herself as a social worker, show

1676
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: her stethoscope, and then once she was in the fucking

1677
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: abuela's are like come on it, you know, like it's

1678
01:22:59,320 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: like come out.

1679
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: That's it's a lady doctor here to like help you out,

1680
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: help you. Uh.

1681
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,879
Speaker 1: Once inside, though there was little conversations, she would strangle

1682
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: her viction her victim, usually with the stethoscope whoa or

1683
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: some kind of cloth that was already there, and or

1684
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: stab her. She then ransacked the house and uh when

1685
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: they rate When they raided Wanna Barza Brazza's house, they

1686
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: discovered her trophy room where she had arranged newspaper clippings

1687
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: about the murders, also had objects stolen from the victims,

1688
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:37,440
Speaker 1: and had a shrine to Heyesus Malverde and Santa Marte,

1689
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: who were I said that. Listen, I'm Jewish, don't know,

1690
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: I can't. Santa sounds like murder death, Santa Muerte Saint Murder,

1691
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 1: two folk deities often worshiped by Mexican outlaws. Fuck, yeah,

1692
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: I get the Sante part right, good job, thank you.

1693
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: Uh Like, okay, here's the skitz bummer time.

1694
01:23:59,400 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

1695
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 1: Like many serial killers, Juanna Barraza had endured a horrific childhood.

1696
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 3: This one's particularly shitty. Really mh well.

1697
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: It's something had to have happened for a woman to

1698
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 2: be a legit, straightforward serial killer, not Eileen Warno's like, uh,

1699
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 2: you know, my life has gone astray and I'm living

1700
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: on the on the verge or whatever.

1701
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like shooting a man and stealing his money and.

1702
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: Then being like, oh, this is a good way to

1703
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 2: make easy money.

1704
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: Lah.

1705
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 2: Like the idea that she was so classical, like straightforward

1706
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 2: serial killer.

1707
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: And like she was ransacking their house and stealing shit,

1708
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: so you could the argument could.

1709
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 2: Be that she's a sociopath that wants money. Right, but wait, okay, alright.

1710
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: So she's born in nineteen fifty seven in Hill Dalgo,

1711
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: a rural area of Mexico. Her mother's a fucking crazy alcoholic.

1712
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: She's verbally and physically abusive and often trades her daughter

1713
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: to her drinking buddies for alcohol. There's no way to

1714
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: like fucking not say that. So when she's twelve years old,

1715
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 1: Wanna's mom trades her permanently to her drinking buddy, a

1716
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: sixty two year old man, for three beers. It was like,

1717
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: basically sends her off with this dude.

1718
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 2: This is like Mary Bell. Yeah, this is how merritt.

1719
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 2: That would happen to Mary Bell when she was little.

1720
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 3: It's just so disgusting and horrifying.

1721
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: Yea, and.

1722
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 2: Dark, dark, dark dark.

1723
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 1: So Wanna later gives birth to a son, and she

1724
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: has four children total, although, and this is another trigger

1725
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: for her, her oldest son died from injuries sustained and

1726
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: a mugging. He was smugged and he died from that.

1727
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 2: Oh no, I know.

1728
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 3: So she eventually gets away.

1729
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: She's a single mother in Mexico City, and she had

1730
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: always been obsessed with Luca Libre, which is is the

1731
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: crazy popular fucking Okay, I just am putting this together.

1732
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 3: Do you know if you heard of this? Yes, because the.

1733
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 2: People have told me the very shortened version of this

1734
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 2: and like in the VIP lines and it's the most

1735
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 2: fascinating thing. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Yeah.

1736
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 1: So she was obsessed with fucking Mexican masked professional wrestling,

1737
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: and she, as an older woman, was like, fucking I'm

1738
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: fucking joining I want to do this, And so she

1739
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: calls herself la Dama de la Salencio, no Ladama de Salencio,

1740
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: the Lady of.

1741
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 3: The Lady of Silence. Uh huh, come on, Lady of Silence.

1742
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: She wears a butterfly mask and hot pink spandex and

1743
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 1: she could bench press over two hundred pounds.

1744
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, let's fight. Yeah, so she's really in fight.

1745
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 2: Let's fight.

1746
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: She's really in a Mexican mass wrestling. So again, yeah,

1747
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 1: it's fucking crazy. Yeah, wrestling, professional wrestling and murder. Look

1748
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: over on that side of the podcast. Well there's wrestling

1749
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: on this side.

1750
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 3: Of Heart Stark April Dream.

1751
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah that we both are bummed about.

1752
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1753
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: So, by the time she starts murdering older women. Her

1754
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: own mother was already dead, but she is surprisingly, by

1755
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: all accounts, a good mother. She lived at home with

1756
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 1: her two youngest kids, a boy who's thirteen and a

1757
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 1: girl who's eleven. Supports the family through a mix of

1758
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,759
Speaker 1: domestic work, street vending, and petty theft. But she's apparently

1759
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: a good mom and like kind to her children, you.

1760
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 2: Know, for the last glimmer of something positive, right.

1761
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: So, using fingerprint evidence, Mexico City prosecutors are able to

1762
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: link Wanna Barza to at least ten of the murders

1763
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: attributed like period, so the only ten. And she says

1764
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: when she gets caught, I only killed the one little

1765
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: old lady, the one that she was caught for, not

1766
01:27:56,200 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: the others. Don't pin the others on me. And they

1767
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 1: were like, what's your motive? And she said, I got angry,

1768
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: that's all she said. She's like, it's just the one

1769
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: I killed, okay. But ten of them, based on fingerprints,

1770
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: are attributed to her, and ultimately she's connected to as

1771
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: many as forty killings. Whoa so, she killed possibly killed

1772
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: forty little old ladies, just kept doing it from the

1773
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: late nineties to when she was caught in two thousand

1774
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 1: and six.

1775
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 3: But the first victim she's directly attributed to that.

1776
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Were one hundred percent sure she did is on November

1777
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, two thousand and two, when she bare handed

1778
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: beat and strangled a sixty four year old woman named

1779
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: Marie de la Luce Gonzalez. So she could have killed

1780
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: way more than that at this when she goes to trial,

1781
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: she's fifty years old. Little old lady killer goes on

1782
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: trial in two thousand and eight. The evidence said that

1783
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: she would cruise public places in search of elderly women

1784
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: on their own. She'd follow them home, she'd gain their trust,

1785
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: access to their home to help with their shopping bags

1786
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: or whatever, or request cleaning, like can I need a

1787
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: job cleaning your house or whatever? And then or she

1788
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: would pretend to be a nurse or social worker, offering

1789
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: a free checkup her information about benefits. God, I know

1790
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: it's fucking dark. She's found guilty on sixteen charges of

1791
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 1: murder and aggravated burglary. She's sentenced to seven hundred and

1792
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: fifty nine years in prison.

1793
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 2: WHOA just a couple, Yeah, she.

1794
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,520
Speaker 1: Ends up like getting married in prison, but then divorces

1795
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: and she seems to be kind of happy there.

1796
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 2: Wow.

1797
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's only admitted to the ever admitted to

1798
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 1: the last killing. And she says the motive was the

1799
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: lingering resentment to her own mother's horrible treatment of her.

1800
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: But everyone thinks that she targeted old women as a

1801
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: way to get back at her fucking, crazy, awful, old

1802
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: alcoholic mother.

1803
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: It makes sense.

1804
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so got some kind of satisfaction out of

1805
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: killing these fucking poor women.

1806
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 2: Who But there is an element like and I can't

1807
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: remember what one it is specifically, but the not coping

1808
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 2: to it, Yeah, like going, oh, I only did that

1809
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 2: one when it's proven that you've done the other ones,

1810
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 2: where you kind of it's that thing that always happens

1811
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: to us where we're talking, when you get into the

1812
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: details of a serial killer's life, Yeah, it changes it

1813
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 2: because then you're like, oh, you never had a chance.

1814
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 2: It's so sad or whatever. But then yes, you did

1815
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 2: have a chance, like that. It was just that terrible

1816
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 2: combination of like whatever was already wrong with you, Yeah,

1817
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 2: that upbringing or whatever. But you know, forty old ladies,

1818
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 2: Like how are you killing it? Old ladies?

1819
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: I know, I wonder if there was this part of

1820
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: you when you don't admit, like, there's so many people

1821
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: that don't admit it even though the facts are clear,

1822
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: and it drives me fucking crazy. And I just want

1823
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: you to say you did it and cop to it.

1824
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: It's easy, do it. But I wonder if there's this

1825
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: part like with her, where it's like I don't want

1826
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: to admit that I'm that I have those that I

1827
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: have that in me. I can be a good mother

1828
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: and I can pursue my passion of fucking leecha lebray,

1829
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: but also I am someone who's so dysfunctional that I'm

1830
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: murder old women like you don't even want to admit

1831
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: it to yourself.

1832
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, like she's because there's parts of her life.

1833
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 2: If she was a good mother, truly, then she isn't

1834
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: a sociopath, which means then she's doing this thing.

1835
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: Or that even like she doesn't want to admit that

1836
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: her her horrible mother affected her so much that caught

1837
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: like that's your mom is still part of you. Yes,

1838
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: and you know you want to controlling it.

1839
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm over it.

1840
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: I fixed it by being a good mother. But no,

1841
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: you're you're still doing this thing.

1842
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 2: And you're having a reaction that you're not just like

1843
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 2: your mother for being that way.

1844
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 3: Now you're worse than worse. I mean, you're worse than her.

1845
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: It's so sad, and like there's so many I know,

1846
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 1: like like the grandma culture is so you know, as

1847
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: someone who had a culture that the grandma was a

1848
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 1: huge part of your life, and it's I just can't

1849
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 1: imagine having to have that with the rest of your life,

1850
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: that your grandmother was killed in that awful way.

1851
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 2: Horrible. It's so sad. It just made me think too

1852
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 2: of in mind Hunter. But remember there was that killer

1853
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 2: in Sacramento who's doing the exact same thing. He was

1854
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: attacking old ladies like on their front porch. Yeah, and

1855
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 2: in that they're so upset, Like the cops are so

1856
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 2: upset by the crime that when they try to get

1857
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 2: there to say, hey, maybe it's there's this reason or whatever,

1858
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 2: then they're like it's just a monster. Like they can't

1859
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 2: see because it's a thing that's like culturally, you're no

1860
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 2: matter what level of asshole you are, you're not going

1861
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 2: to be an ass to an old lady. Yeah, you

1862
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's like it takes it means

1863
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 2: you're beyond a certain point.

1864
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, what we need to realize is that there are

1865
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: people who are always going to be way more horrible

1866
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: than we can ever imagine. That they're going to be

1867
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: people who.

1868
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 2: Who are picking the most vulnerable people on purpose. Yeah,

1869
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 2: which is just like, ye oh, that's so crazy. And

1870
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 2: the wrestling element too, is just like.

1871
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: It's not even like it's just like the fucking media

1872
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: in Mexico City, in Mexico blew the fuck up and

1873
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: loves this story and went crazy about it. And the

1874
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: truth is like she wasn't that big, and Lucia Leebray

1875
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:15,799
Speaker 1: she just kind.

1876
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 3: Of did it a little bit, but she was really

1877
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 3: into it.

1878
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: And there are photos of her and there's like an

1879
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: interview with her at like one of the matches, and

1880
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: she seems like a lovely, normal woman.

1881
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,440
Speaker 3: It's so creepy. It's crazy.

1882
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 2: And also women never i mean the percentage is like

1883
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 2: one percent.

1884
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like even if she maybe only killed those ten people,

1885
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: that a woman fucking killed ten women.

1886
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 2: Yes, and not poisoning and not with a gun.

1887
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,560
Speaker 1: It's like a personal fucking attack of a strange, a

1888
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: stranger that you don't know. Oh, I mean, there's some

1889
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: deep seated fucking psychological shit going on there. Oh Stephen

1890
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: went oh oh, I think on Instagram, Steven's been posting,

1891
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: oh shit photos.

1892
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 2: Fly mask you guys, and a butterfly belt.

1893
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: And how fucking neon pink is that shit?

1894
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 2: Her wearing a butterfly mask seems especially sinister, huh, like

1895
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 2: some kind of like because she's she is a butterfly.

1896
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 2: She's gone from you know, whatever her actual life is

1897
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 2: to like now she's the secret identity masked wrestler and

1898
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: she's blooming and she was at her.

1899
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Own fucking in her cursalis and shit, right, I don't know.

1900
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 2: But then there's also like some amazing gold tiger stripes here,

1901
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 2: like I can't take my eyes off this picture.

1902
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Go to Instagram and see them.

1903
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 2: We'll post it.

1904
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 1: Not my favorite murder, it's let me take this time

1905
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: to fucking plug our fucking social media.

1906
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 3: Good idea.

1907
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 2: Great, I sound like a great person. That's how we

1908
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:45,680
Speaker 2: transition out of the darkest h.

1909
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 1: That wash the l madavajaras aka the old lady killer.

1910
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 2: Awesome. Yeah, god, that's dark.

1911
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I know.

1912
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Also just if you lived in a city where old

1913
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 2: ladies were getting killed totally so like sinister. It's like

1914
01:34:59,200 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 2: it's the deaf.

1915
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you like, at least find someone young.

1916
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Please, someone young and irritated.

1917
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's one of those people with the

1918
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: young websites.

1919
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 2: Like a hacker.

1920
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: Like a hacker, a young, loud mouth hacker with a

1921
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: computer at the fucking cafe. What do you if you

1922
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: built this computer yourself, why would you transport it down

1923
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 1: to the cafe?

1924
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: You get one outlet for two hours tops, and you

1925
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 2: can't bring power strips. No power strip.

1926
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 1: No unless you're gonna let me use it.

1927
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 3: But you're not.

1928
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: You're using all of them and the whole Yeah, you're

1929
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: setting up your printer doing what's happening. You know someone's

1930
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna take a photo of you. Okay, uh, let's end

1931
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:47,959
Speaker 1: it with not depressing things.

1932
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 2: I really like that story, and I also like the

1933
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 2: idea that maybe we can set a short term goal

1934
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 2: of like, within the next five years, we can become

1935
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 2: moderately conversational in Spanish, okay, and.

1936
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 3: Steven, so that's a half decade.

1937
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 2: Stephen can Oh, you're moderately in math, right, Stephen can

1938
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 2: check it, and then we can eventually build to be

1939
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 2: like the girls that we hear having private conversations publicly, yeah,

1940
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 2: and then throwing in a like a Lucky Charms great

1941
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:23,799
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1942
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 1: Though. Yeah, we'll just talk about cereal all the time

1943
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,879
Speaker 1: and car wash, cereal gossip.

1944
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we're back. Are there updates for this story?

1945
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 1: So first of all, I just want to say that

1946
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 1: in the next episode, I have a corrections corner about

1947
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,560
Speaker 1: the fact that I use the term transvestite in this

1948
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: story when I meant transgender, So I address that. I

1949
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 1: take full responsibility. In twenty twenty three, a documentary called

1950
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: The Lady of Silence The Old Lady Killer Case aired

1951
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 1: on Netflix and it was nominated for Best Documentary at

1952
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Speaker 1: the Aerial, which is like the Oscars, but it's put

1953
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: on by the Mexican Academy of Film, Arts and Sciences.

1954
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Speaker 2: So that's really cool. You guys go check that one out.

1955
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Speaker 2: The Lady of Silence, I mean, it's no surprise that

1956
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 2: there's been a documentary. This is a scripted show if

1957
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 2: there ever was one.

1958
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the story is just so horrific and

1959
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: the way she would trick them, yes, the most evil totally.

1960
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Speaker 2: Okay. Well, then to counteract that, let's get into the

1961
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 2: good things of the week. All right, do you have

1962
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Speaker 2: a thing that you like for this week.

1963
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a thing I want to shout out

1964
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Speaker 1: because it makes me feel not horrible.

1965
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's key. Are we calling this thing? I think

1966
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,799
Speaker 2: we're still calling it like the good thing of the week. Yeah.

1967
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 1: Not catchy, No, it's not Uh, this doesn't suck. This

1968
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: isn't hey, this isn't murder corner. No, it's also not

1969
01:37:54,920 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: catchy Happy Happy by the by the performer Pharrell. That

1970
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: takes too long. Okay, well this one is so A

1971
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: bunch of murderinos got together. It was hosted by I

1972
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: think a woman named Sarah Norman, who's a murderino. Is

1973
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: a person who put this together. But it's a it's

1974
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: a murder Reino run. So just put the word run

1975
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: in murder run. No, you know what I mean, Like,

1976
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 1: are you.

1977
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 3: A murder run there?

1978
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 1: And they did a like virtual five k, which means

1979
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: like you have to say you're going to run a

1980
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 1: five k. Okay, you know no one's there to check

1981
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 1: your work, but like, do it, but do it, don't

1982
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: be an asshole. And everyone would raise money for the

1983
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: five k, and they raised they all did it, All

1984
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 1: these fucking murder runners. They raised over three thousand dollars

1985
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Speaker 1: for the Joyful Heart Foundation, which is a foundation who

1986
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 1: whose effort is to end the backlog of untested rape

1987
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: kits in the US. Wow, so thirty two hundred dollars,

1988
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,520
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Yeah, and they went for runs.

1989
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Speaker 2: That's all of that is.

1990
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1991
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just such a cool, a cool organization

1992
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Speaker 1: that I'm.

1993
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Speaker 3: The sub subgroup murdering.

1994
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 2: No. Subgroups are pretty incredible. It's really intense.

1995
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 3: Did you.

1996
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 2: Somebody at a meet and greet told us that there's

1997
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 2: one called the complain Anos where they just go on

1998
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 2: and they just get to complain and and everybody goes, yep,

1999
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 2: you're right, and there they just you can log on

2000
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 2: and just say something that you're mad about I don't like.

2001
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 2: And the idea of that makes me laugh so hard.

2002
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 2: Of like just a safe space to go complain, get

2003
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 2: it off your chest, and then get back to your life.

2004
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 2: I feel like this podcast is that a little bit

2005
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 2: that's weird doing that definitely at each other. I love it.

2006
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: Let's just yeah, it's it's nice.

2007
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 2: It's so good. What's yours? I guess I guess I

2008
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 2: would say I feel like mine are always Netflix based.

2009
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,679
Speaker 3: But we gotta give those recommendations. I get.

2010
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 2: Look, I gotta lay on the couch indefinitely, avoiding the

2011
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 2: rest of my life.

2012
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: Definitely.

2013
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 2: I started watching The Mind of a Chef and it

2014
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:09,799
Speaker 2: is Anthony Bourdain is the narrator, but it's about this chef,

2015
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,679
Speaker 2: David Chang, who is the He has the restaurant Mama Fuco.

2016
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 3: Mama Fuco? Is it Fuku Folk?

2017
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 2: No, you're said, right, Okay, I mean it's the new

2018
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 2: to place in New York or maybe other stuff too.

2019
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 2: And it's just a really good it's a cooking show

2020
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 2: or like it's one of those kind of you know,

2021
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 2: how chefs live and what they like or whatever. But

2022
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 2: then he also like shows you how to make things

2023
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 2: cool in a very natural and not like slow way

2024
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 2: and not He just kind of talks you through it

2025
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,720
Speaker 2: as he's making it in a way that makes me go,

2026
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 2: I bet I could make that. And there's one part

2027
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 2: where he was talking about learn to make chicken soup.

2028
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 2: It's the easiest thing in the world. Then you can

2029
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 2: give it to someone you love when they're sick. It's

2030
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 2: learned to do it. There's no reason you shouldn't learn. Yeah.

2031
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 3: Uh, it was just a super enjoyable show.

2032
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 2: But it's been out for a while, and it's that

2033
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 2: same guy as the one who now has the series

2034
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 2: Ugly Delicious, right, that's his series, which is is basically

2035
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 2: a continuation. It feels to me like a continuation of

2036
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:15,759
Speaker 2: that old episode.

2037
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 1: So just making you happy in between fucking Golden State

2038
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 1: killer shit.

2039
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,839
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly what food shows are the best, man.

2040
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 2: They really are, and it's a thing of I don't

2041
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in making it. Yeah, I love to watch.

2042
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe it's beause chefs are so different

2043
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 2: than me. Yeah, like I nothing about that appeals to me.

2044
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 1: Of like the work, it takes no specification, the fucking

2045
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: they're like so rigid their schedule in your life and

2046
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: everything you do.

2047
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 2: And the timing of it's so easy to fuck it up,

2048
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 2: Like it makes me want to quit just thinking about

2049
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 2: how hard it would be to make a dinner like that.

2050
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the day, it's you

2051
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:53,559
Speaker 1: have to serve into a fucking bunch of leaves who

2052
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 1: might not fucking like it or want to put more

2053
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: salt on it or whatever.

2054
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 2: That yes, exactly, or they might just be there to

2055
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 2: criticize it. So like and yeah, like they're so all

2056
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 2: there about is excellence on just constant excellence, and it's

2057
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 2: really impressive. But then like so then when you're watching

2058
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,480
Speaker 2: a show like this, and then then in their personality

2059
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 2: they're kind of cool and chill, then you're like, oh,

2060
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 2: you're the most fascinating person ever.

2061
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 1: Anthony bore Dan is like just a crush. He's just

2062
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 1: like a crush felt husband. Yeah, You're just like, why

2063
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 1: are you so cool?

2064
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 3: Why are they so cool?

2065
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2066
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 2: It's like they've taken like they've taken it being obsessive

2067
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 2: and made it work. Yeah, made it make them popular. Yeah.

2068
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 2: And also good food. Yeah, I don't know, I really

2069
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 2: liked it.

2070
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 1: I like that.

2071
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 2: That's cool.

2072
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: That's a good, Like that's a good like when you're

2073
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: when you need a minute of something beautiful and good

2074
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:48,759
Speaker 1: and happy.

2075
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, foods so happy. Food's really happy. It's a celebration.

2076
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 2: And it's also like, yeah, watching him eat a thing.

2077
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 2: There's a part where they were like in Japan and

2078
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:01,479
Speaker 2: he was trying They were at this this you know,

2079
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 2: world famous sushi bar or whatever, and he's trying these

2080
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 2: things and chef David Chang is trying these things, and

2081
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:12,799
Speaker 2: he loves it so much. The food he's being served

2082
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 2: is made so perfectly and simply that he's like having

2083
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 2: a nervous breakdown because he's like, I could never do this.

2084
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 2: And it's the most fun thing to watch one person

2085
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 2: who's excellent at something worship someone who's really excellent at something.

2086
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 2: It's just like that whole world. It's just a world

2087
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 2: I don't understand that I love to watch.

2088
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm there with you. Yeah, let's do it.

2089
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to dinner more. Yes, let's go to

2090
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 2: dinner every night, every night. And don't forget to watch

2091
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 2: Nancy Silverton's episode of The Chef's Table, who is a

2092
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 2: famous la restauranteur and chef.

2093
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:51,759
Speaker 1: She's fucking awesome.

2094
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 2: It's just an amazing like her dedication and the reason

2095
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 2: her restaurant, Moza is so insane is because she cares

2096
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 2: about every single item.

2097
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've met her. She's fucking cool.

2098
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 3: Too, really, Yeah, she seems super cool.

2099
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 1: She's just like just a cool lady.

2100
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, love it.

2101
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back, We are back. Okay. So this episode

2102
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 2: was originally entitled Figure it Out, Kevin, but if we're

2103
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 2: naming it today, there's so many wonderful choices that we

2104
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 2: could use, including melissate your life.

2105
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 1: What can we please call it last white right now?

2106
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 1: Like that is so funny of you calling yourself that.

2107
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 2: That was pretty good. Also, buckle the fucking which is

2108
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 2: your shorthand buffle the fuck up.

2109
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: Pretty great or buckle up, but also big bog hole,

2110
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: never forget.

2111
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's some serious choices there.

2112
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: There are.

2113
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 2: Listen for the choices, you know, audience, when you're listening

2114
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 2: to these episodes, every once in a while, you'll hear

2115
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 2: one of the phrases. They'll gLing out to you like

2116
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:01,679
Speaker 2: that's sparkly shiny, and you'll be.

2117
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Like, aha, right, And you'll never get into our heads

2118
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 1: about why we pick the one we picked because you're

2119
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 1: like that one was the obvious one.

2120
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, but we didn't pick that because it's

2121
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 2: all subjective exactly. It's what's your special special title.

2122
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Right, you're subjective too, Thanks for listening subjectively to this podcast.

2123
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 2: That's right, that's this week's episode of the Rewind.

2124
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:29,799
Speaker 1: Let's say goodbye from twenty eighteen. Thanks for listening, you guys,

2125
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: tell us stuff, you know, let us know how you are.

2126
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Steven loves to read your emails, so write

2127
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 2: them in communicate with us. We like it.

2128
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,720
Speaker 3: My favorite murder at jmail. And that's it.

2129
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

2130
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:46,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay sexy and don't get murdered. Oh goodbye, Elvis.

2131
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 3: Want cookie?

2132
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 2: Oh cookie?

2133
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 3: That sounds like a frog.