Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Hey, we're back.
Speaker 2: We're black, We're brown.
Speaker 3: Ambition, ambition, ambition.
Speaker 2: AMBITI Hey, Mandra, how are you girl? Hello?
Speaker 4: Lady in red, I haven't seen you in this color before.
Speaker 1: It's a instead of a short scent, it's a skirt
Speaker 1: st I got it from the Amazon.
Speaker 4: From Amazon people, Yeah, shopping on Amazon. I haven't really done.
Speaker 4: A lot of people seem to get cute stuff famous. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's how I feel. It's either going to be good
Speaker 4: quality or like forever twenty one clearance been you know,
Speaker 4: quality is how I feel. But I love that you're
Speaker 4: in this new bright color. I am in this one
Speaker 4: of my favorite shades, which I am now over analyzing
Speaker 4: and I'm like, is this my color palette? Am I
Speaker 4: a winter summer? I'm really excited about today's show and
Speaker 4: the reason we're talking a little bit about style is
Speaker 4: one I think if you follow Brad Ambition from the
Speaker 4: very beginning, it's been almost eight years now, can you believe?
Speaker 4: Can you believe we're in the third grade almost and
Speaker 4: we have changed quite a bit. I feel like our
Speaker 4: style has evolved. I think all of our styles are
Speaker 4: constantly evolving, especially like we talked a lot about hair
Speaker 4: during a recent episode and like how that can evolve
Speaker 4: with your career and your business, And I think style
Speaker 4: is such. I mean, obviously hair is this. Hair and
Speaker 4: style it's the same thing basically when you're a woman
Speaker 4: of color. I feel like, but today we have a
Speaker 4: really fantastic guest, Tiffany, and I can't wait for y'all
Speaker 4: to meet here. I met this woman at a recent
Speaker 4: conference that I spoke at, and I didn't even realize
Speaker 4: I hadn't really thought about my style very much. But
Speaker 4: after listening to this our guest speaking about it, I
Speaker 4: instantly was like, you know, I do put thought into it,
Speaker 4: but I feel like there's so much hunger and a
Speaker 4: lot of us to have more, or like to have
Speaker 4: more of a style and to own it a little
Speaker 4: bit more. What has your style like evolution been, Tiffany,
Speaker 4: as you've gone from Budgetista, I was always like Netflix
Speaker 4: she wearing Netflix red today I have been.
Speaker 1: Super tom Boys kind of like my whole life, I
Speaker 1: never really thought about clothes too much, but then as
Speaker 1: I started to start my business, not dressing well harmed
Speaker 1: my business because they were literally like I would get
Speaker 1: feedback what I would meet with someone hoping to like,
Speaker 1: you know, launch maybe a.
Speaker 3: Workshop series whatever.
Speaker 1: I would get feedback and say, like, I like Tifany,
Speaker 1: but she didn't really best very professionally, and I was like,
Speaker 1: because before then, I was a.
Speaker 3: Pre school team.
Speaker 2: Really yeah.
Speaker 1: I got a couple of people who said that because pre
Speaker 1: school teacher, you know, you're like, can this be thrown
Speaker 1: up on?
Speaker 3: I wear it?
Speaker 1: And so I got to delay developing my style because I,
Speaker 1: you know, professionally, it was like comfort, comfort, comfort. It
Speaker 1: should be able to get dirty, and that's what I
Speaker 1: was for ten years. So I didn't know what to wear.
Speaker 1: So thankfully my sister Tracy, who's also a publisher, she
Speaker 1: is always super well dressed. So I started to lean
Speaker 1: into her and said, can you help me create like
Speaker 1: a budget Nissa look, which is like very very professional looking.
Speaker 1: And now I'm easing up on the budget lista being
Speaker 1: more super tailored and like, you know, interjecting more of
Speaker 1: my funness into it. And so I'm in this new
Speaker 1: space now where I'm like bringing forth the feminine.
Speaker 3: That's what I told myself, you know, because I.
Speaker 4: Know I got a little body on me a little
Speaker 4: bit too. Wait body, yes, a little.
Speaker 1: Body, you know, and I've never shown I met this
Speaker 1: woman in I was at brunch in Brooklyn with my
Speaker 1: sister Lisa, and a budgetista fan came up.
Speaker 3: To me was like, girl, I know you had that body.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I know.
Speaker 1: So I'm leaning into my feminine a little bit like
Speaker 1: one in a way that makes me feel comfortable because
Speaker 1: I don't like having all all the girls out, but
Speaker 1: in a way that I'm like, girl, you got a body,
Speaker 1: like you know, embrace it.
Speaker 4: M Yeah. For me, I think because my body size
Speaker 4: changed has always changes every two years. I'm up and down.
Speaker 4: I have this like opra condition, and I think that
Speaker 4: has always made it really difficult for me to just
Speaker 4: like settle on a style because it was like, you know,
Speaker 4: when I'm growing up, getting getting styled by the Sears
Speaker 4: plus size section, which is like for little girls, you know,
Speaker 4: in the way far back corner by like the granny
Speaker 4: you know stuff and the petite section, and to be like,
Speaker 4: here's you. My mom would just drag me back there
Speaker 4: and be like, which, Hello Kitty or Winnie the Pooh
Speaker 4: ensemble would you like? Because like these are the options.
Speaker 4: So I have been like plus size and you know,
Speaker 4: every you know from from way too skinny, you had
Speaker 4: some issues to like, you know, plus size, and it
Speaker 4: has made it almost to the point where I didn't
Speaker 4: want to think about like I didn't think I deserved
Speaker 4: or could have a look because it would mean like
Speaker 4: investing more in new clothes because my size has changed again.
Speaker 4: And that finally broke for me a couple of years
Speaker 4: ago when I had the opportunity to do like a
Speaker 4: real brand photo shoot and I worked with a family
Speaker 4: friend of mine who was, like, she's a stylist in
Speaker 4: her free time, and I had her picking things for me,
Speaker 4: and she introduced me to you like, for so long,
Speaker 4: I had been trying to develop a style by shopping
Speaker 4: at like old Navy in H and M, and I
Speaker 4: get so annoyed because then he got on the subway
Speaker 4: and every other girl has the exact same, you know look.
Speaker 4: And she introduced me to like curating different pieces and
Speaker 4: like putting them together, and she really helped me get
Speaker 4: out of the trap of like not buying something because
Speaker 4: I didn't like the size. I had to buy in it,
Speaker 4: which I don't know if you ever been like as
Speaker 4: a as a plus size woman, And I know our
Speaker 4: guest is as well like you, you get so caught
Speaker 4: up in like what size something is, and are people
Speaker 4: no one's gonna know what size it is, you know.
Speaker 4: But she helped me finally get out of that trap
Speaker 4: of stop holding yourself back from looking amazing because you're
Speaker 4: more there's shame around what size of that you have
Speaker 4: to have. And now ever since I like broke that spell,
Speaker 4: I feel like it's been so much more fun to
Speaker 4: like discover new brands. I'm a huge fan of like Eloquy.
Speaker 4: I wear their stuff all the time and they do
Speaker 4: fourteen plus fashion, and also like stop wasting time over
Speaker 4: analyzing myself and being like embarrassed because no one does
Speaker 4: know what your size is. They just know how you're
Speaker 4: moving confidently, like in your fashion, you know. So I
Speaker 4: don't know if y'all my fashion has been like muted, muted, muted,
Speaker 4: and then like this explosion of my personality color, you know,
Speaker 4: I want joy to come through with the style that
Speaker 4: I have, and it's been, Yeah, it's been liberating, and
Speaker 4: I'm glad I got there now because I feel like
Speaker 4: so many of us we wait till, like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: when do we stop giving giving a crap about people
Speaker 4: think about us on average, I'm.
Speaker 1: Still trying to have eighty I'm forty, and I would
Speaker 1: say I'm about eighty percent. Girl, what nobody cares? They're
Speaker 1: still about a little thirty percent. I'm like, but I do.
Speaker 4: But yeah, well I still got collagen, you know, while
Speaker 4: there's some lift in the skin, like just even on vacation.
Speaker 4: I told you, I've never felt sexier than I was
Speaker 4: on our vacation a couple of weeks ago. I've never
Speaker 4: been heavier. I got this huge seven month baby bump.
Speaker 4: But I was rocking bikinis. I wasn't. I wasn't hiding
Speaker 4: behind a cover up. I wasn't. I was just like,
Speaker 4: this is my body, like this is There's nothing to
Speaker 4: be ashamed about anyway.
Speaker 3: So that's been.
Speaker 4: It's a good I think. I feel like I hope
Speaker 4: that more of us are feeling that way. I credit
Speaker 4: Do you have a style icon? Because I credit Lizzo
Speaker 4: for making me feel better about my lumps and bumps.
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't.
Speaker 3: Actually, maybe that's my problem. I don't have a style.
Speaker 4: Icon, like someone that you look to and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, they are so put together. That's who I
Speaker 4: kind of want to. That's the vibe I want to.
Speaker 1: Give off, not a particular woman, but more so like
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn, the Brooklyn black girl I love because I'm
Speaker 1: like the afrocentric at my core, and so I love
Speaker 1: like the Brooklyn Baddy black They're just walking big hair
Speaker 1: like it's just so that there's no one particular, but
Speaker 1: like I love that look and it just looks so effortlessly.
Speaker 1: She can bohemian but like sexy but not super because
Speaker 1: I'm not really like I said, like my girls are
Speaker 1: not all out, you know, so I would say that
Speaker 1: that the Brooklyn the summer Brooklyn black girl is my icon.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'll never be that cool.
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: Who is that cool? Who was our guest the Davis's
Speaker 4: was a kadem Yes, she is at Brooklyn, Like that
Speaker 4: is the cool, like quintessential I feel like anyway, but
Speaker 4: that style, well, I want to we'll take a quick
Speaker 4: pause here, but I really want to get to our
Speaker 4: guests because she is. This is what she does. She
Speaker 4: works with people like you and I and I mean
Speaker 4: not just that but just regular regular folks. And when
Speaker 4: I'm going to her style talk at this conference that
Speaker 4: I went to, like the women were lining up afterward,
Speaker 4: and she would make these small tweaks to their outfits
Speaker 4: and you can see their eyes light up, you know,
Speaker 4: like oh I didn't think I didn't look at it
Speaker 4: this way, or like this actually does look good on me,
Speaker 4: and it was so powerful, So I had to have
Speaker 4: her on. I want to introduce her finally to y'all,
Speaker 4: BA fam. Her name is Kendra Porter. She is a
Speaker 4: teed X speaker, an award winning image consultant, and a
Speaker 4: wardrobe stylist. She is the founder of Honor Your Style
Speaker 4: image consulting agency, where she's worked with thousands of clients,
Speaker 4: helping them reimagine their style. Kendra uses fashion as a
Speaker 4: tool to develop personal and professional brands, and her motto
Speaker 4: is honor your Style, Honor you. These days, you can
Speaker 4: find Kendra producing events on the mic for well known
Speaker 4: retailers like Neiman Marcus. She facilitates trainings like I Went
Speaker 4: to on personal branding and style. She also teaches at
Speaker 4: a little school you might have heard of called FIT
Speaker 4: or the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City,
Speaker 4: and she's also in studio dressing on air talent at
Speaker 4: NBC Sports and has even dressed talent for the Olympics.
Speaker 4: Come on now. Over a decade of experience, she has
Speaker 4: dressed for designers at New York Fashion Week, from Oscar
Speaker 4: Della Rented to Problem. Yeah, how do you say that, Kendra?
Speaker 2: Probably Garung?
Speaker 4: I'd be you know when you see something, but you know, anyway, whatever,
Speaker 4: she's very, very impressive and we are so freaking excited
Speaker 4: to have Kendra on the show.
Speaker 5: Welcome Kendra, Thank you, ladies, thank you so much for
Speaker 5: having me. And I did say probably Garung. My apologies,
Speaker 5: I was not unmiked, unmiked, unmuted, but uh yeah, probably Garn. Listen,
Speaker 5: even for me saying some of the designer's names, I'm like, wait,
Speaker 5: hold on, let me google.
Speaker 4: They deserve Well. I'm so happy to have you on.
Speaker 4: I mean we headed off. We're like new besties because
Speaker 4: we also live in the same zip code. We too
Speaker 4: over here representing Westchester. But is it true did you
Speaker 4: meet Tiffany before, like a million lifetimes ago?
Speaker 5: So yeah, so I met Tiffany, And I don't know
Speaker 5: if you even remember this, Tiffany, Like I met you
Speaker 5: when I was first starting out. So this is probably
Speaker 5: eleven twelve years ago, right, you had just started out
Speaker 5: as well, and we were at a women of Chamin
Speaker 5: commerce meeting in the city, like off of fourteenth Street.
Speaker 5: Don't ask me why I remember all of these details,
Speaker 5: but I do. And ever since then, right, I've been
Speaker 5: part of the dream Catchers and right following you for
Speaker 5: all these years, so I appreciate it, and we've touched
Speaker 5: space every now and then. But it's been an amazing
Speaker 5: journey to watch you and I am so proud of
Speaker 5: all that you've done throughout the years, for sure, So
Speaker 5: kudos to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and welcome you.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about like being an image consultant first of all, Kendra,
Speaker 4: because you do on the personal and the professional level.
Speaker 4: Why is it important, Like why should people from us
Speaker 4: who are public facing to just everyday working women be
Speaker 4: thinking about our image. So the first thing I like
Speaker 4: to explain to people is the difference between an image
Speaker 4: consultant and a stylist, right, because everyone's like, well, I'm
Speaker 4: not a celebrity, and so I happen to be both, right,
Speaker 4: I tell people, as an image consultant, it is about
Speaker 4: the person, right, you as a as a total package,
Speaker 4: your personality, your lifestyle, your budget, all of it.
Speaker 5: And so it is making sure that you are aligned
Speaker 5: with what you are trying to represent as a person,
Speaker 5: right and communicating that through your fashion as well as
Speaker 5: a stylist. Right, it is about the clothes. So if
Speaker 5: you walk into a room and someone says, oh my god,
Speaker 5: that person looks amazing, that's an image consultant.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: You see the person as a whole. If you walk
Speaker 5: into a room and someone says, oh my god, where'd
Speaker 5: you get those shoes?
Speaker 2: That is a stylist.
Speaker 5: Right. It's about the fashion, the dress, the shoes, the
Speaker 5: pieces right that are speaking above who you are as
Speaker 5: an individual. And so you know, the importance is is
Speaker 5: that as a person as a whole, regardless of whether
Speaker 5: you're you know, in the limelight or if you're living
Speaker 5: your daily life, you want to represent the best person
Speaker 5: you are.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: We always say that we should always put our best
Speaker 5: foot forward, no matter what, even running to the grocery store,
Speaker 5: but running to the grocery store meaning putting out moisturizer
Speaker 5: and putting your hair in a bun, right, like running
Speaker 5: a brush through your hair, the simple things. Because we are,
Speaker 5: unfortunately right, we are in a culture that does judge
Speaker 5: and that does see people. And it's that visual representation
Speaker 5: is the first thing you see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's with social media too, there is
Speaker 4: this it's this like dichotomy because I think on social
Speaker 4: media sometimes you want to be raw, unfiltered, no makeup, whatever,
Speaker 4: But there's a very different version of yourself when you
Speaker 4: show up to present something or to represent your brand,
Speaker 4: you know, among potential advertisers or potential clients. How do
Speaker 4: you sort of toe that line between like honoring both
Speaker 4: sides where like, I mean, you kind of want to
Speaker 4: like resist the need to be like Tiff and I, I
Speaker 4: don't know, Tiff, like you're going through this glow up
Speaker 4: phase where you know, she puts some effort in and
Speaker 4: we hear.
Speaker 2: Not that you have before. It's just different. But it's
Speaker 2: so yeah, it's so.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, right, nobody's saying you have to wear
Speaker 5: makeup every day, Right, That's not what we're saying. What
Speaker 5: we're saying is is that you want to represent the
Speaker 5: best you, even as a natural, even as a natural,
Speaker 5: fresh faced running out of running to the grocery store
Speaker 5: or what have you. Right, I don't wear makeup every day.
Speaker 5: I only wear makeup when I'm doing events, or I'm
Speaker 5: on camera, right, if you see me out on the street,
Speaker 5: I don't have makeup on, right, but I'm dressed in
Speaker 5: a way that people may say, oh, wait, where'd you
Speaker 5: get those sneakers?
Speaker 2: Right? Where did you? You know what?
Speaker 5: What's kind of sort of sticking out? And that's the
Speaker 5: stylus side of me, right, Or I may help people
Speaker 5: with that, right if I'm of course in a store
Speaker 5: shopping and it's like, oh, here, look at this, and
Speaker 5: then they take a look at me, because if I'm
Speaker 5: dressed right, if I'm dressed in an oversized sweater and
Speaker 5: a pair of leggings trying to style somebody, they're like,
Speaker 5: I'm not really sure you're the right person for me, right,
Speaker 5: But of course I'm going to be in fashionable leggings.
Speaker 2: And a fashionable sweatshirt. So that's a different story.
Speaker 5: But it is you want to be who you are authentically,
Speaker 5: and it is the simple things, right. So like when
Speaker 5: you talked about making those little tweaks when we were
Speaker 5: at the seminar, it is grooming right, looking at brushing
Speaker 5: your hair, looking at adding moisturizer, looking at doing lip bomb.
Speaker 5: Nobody says you have to put on lipstick but do
Speaker 5: a lip bomb, right, so that you don't have chap lips.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 5: It's the little things that make you look a little
Speaker 5: bit more polished that it's like, oh, you got everything
Speaker 5: put together and you're not wearing anything different, right, But
Speaker 5: it is Can we iron our shirts before we go outside?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Those little things that help to tweak and polish you
Speaker 5: on a general basis. And then when you're talking about
Speaker 5: showing up as a professional and in your career, yeah,
Speaker 5: you do need to look a particular way, right. You
Speaker 5: do need to represent who you are as a brand.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: Granted there are the likes of like Steve Jobs and
Speaker 5: all of that, but we know them for not their
Speaker 5: style and that they are trying to make the minimum
Speaker 5: decisions that they need to in their fashion. As a brand,
Speaker 5: you need to figure out what that looks like for
Speaker 5: you individually and then right making sure that you assign
Speaker 5: what you're wearing to that brand, to whatever it is
Speaker 5: that is for.
Speaker 1: You as black women, right, Like are we are policed
Speaker 1: in so many different ways our hair, you know, like
Speaker 1: the way we wear our makeup, Like even just like
Speaker 1: you're one of the reasons why I don't wear tight things,
Speaker 1: because I know I got a lot of booty, and
Speaker 1: so I know that unfortunately my natural body is perceived
Speaker 1: in some arenas, especially financial education, as unprofessional. There's nothing
Speaker 1: I've done, like this is how I was born.
Speaker 2: So there's the sexualization of black women's bodies. That's a
Speaker 2: whole other conversation. Yes, so what can like, as you know, what.
Speaker 1: Advice can you give for as we show up as
Speaker 1: black women with our bodies and how we just naturally look.
Speaker 1: You know, how can we create this like ladies foundation
Speaker 1: of professionalism without being like I got to hide my
Speaker 1: body in order to do.
Speaker 5: So, right, So there's a couple of things, I think.
Speaker 5: So one of the things that I go through with
Speaker 5: my clients is I do ask them to pick out words, right,
Speaker 5: So I tell them, choose three words that represent what
Speaker 5: you want to be known for. And I mean three
Speaker 5: words in terms of personality traits, right, whether that's intelligent,
Speaker 5: whether that's creative, whether that's a boss. What are those
Speaker 5: three words? And then pick two style words, right, so
Speaker 5: whether it's romantic or edgy or funky, and then use
Speaker 5: that to build your looks each morning.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So if I say that I am going to be edgy, creative,
Speaker 5: and welcoming, right, I'm not, and then I want to
Speaker 5: be edge of creative, welcoming, I said five, right, professional
Speaker 5: and fun. I'm not wearing all black every day, right,
Speaker 5: just because I'm trying to either high my body, hide
Speaker 5: who I am, right, hide my personality. I am going
Speaker 5: to wear bright colors. I'm going to wear patterns. I'm
Speaker 5: going to wear things that are a little bit more slick, right,
Speaker 5: So for me and that and those words can change too, right,
Speaker 5: So don't say these are the words that you're holding
Speaker 5: to and you can't ever change that. It's also based
Speaker 5: on context, right, So where are you going? How do
Speaker 5: you want to be seen within that community? Right within
Speaker 5: those people that you're going to and then using those
Speaker 5: words to change. And it's also based on how you feel.
Speaker 5: So you get up in the morning. There are days
Speaker 5: where you're like, you know what, I just want to
Speaker 5: get up and keep it moving. And so you're going
Speaker 5: to throw on a like jeans and T shirts. Okay,
Speaker 5: well what does that look like for that day?
Speaker 2: Right? Are you? Are you the bohemian that day?
Speaker 5: And so you're going to do jeens and write like
Speaker 5: a white oversized blouse and a pair of and do
Speaker 5: dentim and right like lots of brown leather. Or is
Speaker 5: it that you're going to do a sweatshirt like a
Speaker 5: hoodie and a leather jacket and a paradentalm right, two
Speaker 5: different looks, both casual, but both can still be fun
Speaker 5: and exciting for you. Right, you should enjoy getting dressed
Speaker 5: in the morning. That's the other thing, is that whatever
Speaker 5: you put on should bring you joy because how you
Speaker 5: dress also affection, mood. It's not just about how other
Speaker 5: people see you, but it's also how you see yourself.
Speaker 5: So those people who think about this way, even if
Speaker 5: you're wearing sweats, right, and if you put on sexy underwear,
Speaker 5: undersweats is a very different You stand differently, right, You
Speaker 5: move through your day differently, and so you want to be.
Speaker 4: Not pack panties, Tiffany, I'm graduated.
Speaker 3: I'm graduated from pack pans.
Speaker 4: You feel better? Yeah, I mean, Kendrick, when I was
Speaker 4: listening to you talk. And also it's not just about
Speaker 4: this is this is a thing like so many of
Speaker 4: us are wearing what we think we feel comfortable in,
Speaker 4: but not maybe what is the best look from the
Speaker 4: outside looking in. And I feel like during your talk.
Speaker 4: What was powerful was when women were like, well, I
Speaker 4: put this on it, I think this looks good, and
Speaker 4: then you start to look at it from the outside,
Speaker 4: you know, an outsider's perspective, and you real like, sometimes
Speaker 4: we're not making the best choices for what fits our
Speaker 4: body or fits our coloring, you know. So, like, what
Speaker 4: advice do you have for women who are just wearing
Speaker 4: the thing that they've always felt comforta they like black,
Speaker 4: they like gray, they like pink, hot pink or whatever,
Speaker 4: to start exploring colors that bring out their best selves,
Speaker 4: styles that bring out their best selves in a different way.
Speaker 5: So the first thing I would say is definitely think
Speaker 5: about what color do people say you look amazing in? Right,
Speaker 5: because that's an objective view. It's not you trying to
Speaker 5: pick through about what you think may work for you.
Speaker 5: It doesn't work for you. But think about, no matter
Speaker 5: how old it may be, right when you wear that
Speaker 5: particular color or that particular top or dress or whatever,
Speaker 5: people are like, oh my god, you look great, right,
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, this whole thing, it's probably because
Speaker 5: that's your coloring. So there are two things people are
Speaker 5: warm and cool, and.
Speaker 4: I still can't figure it out, I'm more cool. You
Speaker 4: have to help me.
Speaker 5: You're cool, but you're also cool and bright, right like
Speaker 5: you want to do like for you, I'm like, saturated
Speaker 5: colors work really well for you.
Speaker 4: Thank you good because that means really bright and like bold.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, no, like if you do, like so the mid
Speaker 5: color that you're wearing now, I want a little bit
Speaker 5: deeper in green, right, like a little bit more saturated, less.
Speaker 2: White in the coloring. Right.
Speaker 5: So when I met you, you had on lilac, which
Speaker 5: was gorgeous on you. It was a deeper tone. It
Speaker 5: was still pastel, but it was a deeper, more saturated color.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: That's the color people tell me I look really good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's how people were lining up afterwards, like show the
Speaker 4: little you gotta tell us where to get one of
Speaker 4: those color wheel things too, you know.
Speaker 5: So this is what I tell people, So TIFTI right now,
Speaker 5: I'm like, I can't see you on camera, but here's
Speaker 5: what I would say, right to. Most people think about
Speaker 5: whether you you are better, whether you look better in
Speaker 5: white like a Chris white shirt like this, or if
Speaker 5: you look better in cream. Right, that's the easiest way
Speaker 5: to tell and what you want to look at is
Speaker 5: does your skin glow? Are you healthier? Does it look brighter?
Speaker 5: So when people tell me, oh, I can't wear whatever color, right,
Speaker 5: like I can't wear green because I look sallow or
Speaker 5: I look sickly, it's because it's not the right shade
Speaker 5: of green. So think about right, when you were a
Speaker 5: kid in painting in primary colors? Right, so it was red, yellow,
Speaker 5: and blue, make it primary colors. The question is does
Speaker 5: it have more yellow or red in it which makes
Speaker 5: it warmer, or more blue which.
Speaker 2: Makes it cooler?
Speaker 5: Right, So if you think about red, right, so we
Speaker 5: all know that red lipstick, trying to find the right
Speaker 5: shade red lipstick is always a challenge.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: This is why if I show you these are all
Speaker 5: shades of red.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Wow? Okay, if you're watching on YouTube, you should be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the top are all and I go then you
Speaker 5: go in the middle roof for sure?
Speaker 2: Right? The top, oh is that right?
Speaker 5: The top are warmer colors, right, there's more yellow in
Speaker 5: them across the board, and the bottom are cooler colors.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: And so if you have a tendency to do hot pinks,
Speaker 5: blue looks amazing on you, right, Purples look really great
Speaker 5: on you. That is someone who's cooler in coloring. If
Speaker 5: you do better in reds and browns and oranges, then
Speaker 5: you're warmer. So Tiffany, I feel like I want to say,
Speaker 5: you're actually warmer in coloring.
Speaker 4: Can you see her right now? I want you to
Speaker 4: see her because she's got this bright red. I can't
Speaker 4: tell if it's the right shade of red for her. Keundra,
Speaker 4: let's right.
Speaker 2: Here, can you see me?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, I'm like, put me up
Speaker 1: on line.
Speaker 4: But you don't have the exact color on No, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna I'm literally gonna do this right now. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: texas to you, Kentre.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I'm just like, I want to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something's about my internet. It was wonky last But you've.
Speaker 4: Seen Tiffany like on her book cover and things like that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: what would you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I thought about you, tiff too. When Kendra was
Speaker 4: talking about the color green, what is the color greens?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 4: Like? MINTI green, like the color I'm wearing symbolizes what now?
Speaker 4: Because this is a color tiff has on her book.
Speaker 4: So no, no, so for green, Yeah it's green on
Speaker 4: the book. Yeah, I was like, it's a deeper green.
Speaker 5: But for and I actually have that book on my bedside. No,
Speaker 5: but the color green is more about right, nurturing, growing wealth, right,
Speaker 5: is what green stands for. And so that's the other thing.
Speaker 5: When people talk about colors, where you can wear every color,
Speaker 5: it's the right shade or tone of that color for you.
Speaker 5: It's also what do those colors represent?
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So red can be sexy, right, red can be playful,
Speaker 5: ray can be powerful or it can be danger right,
Speaker 5: depending on the context and where you're going and who
Speaker 5: you're talking to. It's how do you want to be seen.
Speaker 5: So the example that I give best is I have
Speaker 5: two clients who are psychologists. One deals with adults, the
Speaker 5: other one deals with children. For the gentleman who deals
Speaker 5: with adults, right, I had to put him in greens
Speaker 5: and browns and blues because blue is trustworthy, Brown is
Speaker 5: nurturing and stability, right, and green is part of that
Speaker 5: nurture sense. And so that's what we and then we
Speaker 5: shot him in like we shot him outdoors, right, So
Speaker 5: for him, that was about stability and nurturing for adults.
Speaker 5: For my client who deals with kids, right, we had
Speaker 5: to put her in bold colors or bold patterns right,
Speaker 5: and bright colors, because that's what kids are going to
Speaker 5: gravitate to, right, that sense of fun and playfulness. And
Speaker 5: so how you show up in the context of where
Speaker 5: you are is important. Right, if she went in wearing
Speaker 5: all black right to the kids, they'd be like, I
Speaker 5: don't know if I feel comfortable talking to her, Right,
Speaker 5: she needs to be approachable to them, and so it's
Speaker 5: important as to how people read that as well.
Speaker 4: And also like if people are not Like, even if
Speaker 4: you work in a field where you're interracting people a lot,
Speaker 4: and then you realize, I'm not really connecting with people
Speaker 4: in the right way. Maybe it's not your personality that's
Speaker 4: it's just like the image that you have, and it's
Speaker 4: something about it appealing or unappealing. I'm wondering because ever
Speaker 4: since I made this, you know, I've always been drawn
Speaker 4: to like brighter colors. But since I've been like really
Speaker 4: focusing on my wardrobe in that way, the kids at
Speaker 4: Rio's daycare, they love me. They stopped, They're like, there's
Speaker 4: Rio's mom. I think it's also the hair. I just
Speaker 4: come in looking like a good time, like most of
Speaker 4: the time. So Kendras here getting your whole entire life together.
Speaker 1: But let's take a pause for the cause and go
Speaker 1: to break and be right back.
Speaker 4: All right, Can you check your text? Because I talked
Speaker 4: to you a picture of like the gorgeous to.
Speaker 3: Me, like I need to know.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing where you like you saw Tracy
Speaker 4: have the same color red.
Speaker 3: No, she had like a pink. She had like this
Speaker 3: like other pink. So this is like more of an
Speaker 3: orange in person, is it really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, it's like a really deep pumpkin in person.
Speaker 5: So to me, it looks like Tiffany is definitely warmer
Speaker 5: in coloring, okay, right, which means right, reds are great
Speaker 5: for you, right because you can do and you can
Speaker 5: do reds as a cool like, but I have to
Speaker 5: do a true red right like I can't do.
Speaker 2: For me. None of these colors work, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, I look bad in those colors.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if you guys can see this,
Speaker 5: I'm like cool, do this, that's why. Right if I
Speaker 5: do this on like somewhearing red lipstick, this versus this, m.
Speaker 2: Do you see a difference.
Speaker 4: So for those who I feel like one of them
Speaker 4: makes your color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's holding up her color cards, you know,
Speaker 1: just so like so you can see what live would be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if we just do this.
Speaker 4: Versus this, which one's a true red? I don't even
Speaker 4: know these are true reds, right, it's just about these
Speaker 4: are cooler reds, right, So these are cooler reds.
Speaker 2: These are warmer reds for me? A cooler red? Is this? Right?
Speaker 5: What I'm wearing is more of a true red. And
Speaker 5: this pops on me versus me putting on something.
Speaker 2: Like this.
Speaker 4: Which might not make you look as bright?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 4: Is that what we're kind of going for here, looking
Speaker 4: for colors that make you like, how do you know
Speaker 4: when it's the right shade? So you just pick your
Speaker 4: cool or you're warm and you're bright, and you're carrying
Speaker 4: those little cards around.
Speaker 2: I do color swatches on. You'll do it.
Speaker 5: But part of it also is is that if you're
Speaker 5: in the wrong color, you'll see more. And it's the
Speaker 5: lighting in here isn't great for you guys to see this,
Speaker 5: but what you end up seeing is you actually see
Speaker 5: more of the shading, so you see the shading under
Speaker 5: your eyes. So, right, if you've got if you are
Speaker 5: already worried about having bags under your eyes are a
Speaker 5: little darkness. If you have like I do, right, some
Speaker 5: you know, some some hair on the above your lip, right,
Speaker 5: it comes out darker. Right, it will show your creaselines
Speaker 5: as well. Right, so your laugh lies at a natural
Speaker 5: All of those pieces will come out. Your pores on
Speaker 5: your face will actually look bigger when you're in colors
Speaker 5: that are the right color for you. Now, when I
Speaker 5: tell that to people, I tell people, don't stress, like
Speaker 5: you don't have to get rid of all your wardrobe
Speaker 5: of pieces that don't fit you. But it is then
Speaker 5: how do you layer those colors with other colors that
Speaker 5: do right? So it's if you're not in the right color.
Speaker 5: So if I'm wearing your cream top, I probably have
Speaker 5: on a bright color jacket over it or scarf. Right,
Speaker 5: that changes up the way that that looks.
Speaker 3: I make it verse.
Speaker 1: I feel like she told me that to your point,
Speaker 1: I have to Asklee look, because sometimes I'll ask her, like, wait,
Speaker 1: what are my tones?
Speaker 3: Because she'll say, she said.
Speaker 1: If everybody thinks that black people have like red undertone,
Speaker 1: red undertone, And she's like, that's not you know, being round,
Speaker 1: that's not always the case. She's like, Tiffany, you have
Speaker 1: more yellow than people probably might not realize. We do
Speaker 1: a lot of berry. Very rarely does she put me
Speaker 1: in a full red. Berries look great as far as
Speaker 1: like on my lips. So I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: But so we do a lot of that that looks
Speaker 1: really great. She will create a red, so she'll mix
Speaker 1: to get to a red that like suits if I'm
Speaker 1: wanting to wear red. Yeah, but yeah, I find that,
Speaker 1: like coral is one of my like really great go
Speaker 1: to colors that look that looks like great.
Speaker 2: On me, that has a little bit more yellow to it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like deep tones I think, like I guess
Speaker 1: my skin is pretty deep, but deep tones I find
Speaker 1: because sometimes I wear something light, like a light loud
Speaker 1: like or a light yellow, and I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 5: So the way, yeah, the way color works is that people,
Speaker 5: you look at the colors that work better for you,
Speaker 5: whether they're cool or they're warmer, and then you look
Speaker 5: at are they bright and vibrant, right, or bright vibrant
Speaker 5: and saturated or are they soft and muted?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: So what I mean by soft is are they pastels?
Speaker 5: Are they muted? Is they grade out?
Speaker 2: Right? So you're going to go.
Speaker 5: Either warm or cool and then you're either doing bright
Speaker 5: and saturated colors or you're doing muted and soft colors, right.
Speaker 5: And what I tend to find is that, truthfully, it
Speaker 5: also has a lot to do. It's also reflecting people's personalities. Right,
Speaker 5: So those people who for you, definitely Tiffany, right, more
Speaker 5: saturated colors work better. Right, for Mandy, it's the pastels
Speaker 5: work better, but it's also bright pastels, right, More saturated
Speaker 5: pastels work well for you. I do really well in
Speaker 5: saturated colors. Again, of like kind of like Mandy, but
Speaker 5: a little bit different. I think Mandy reads a little
Speaker 5: bit softer, so she does a little bit more pastels
Speaker 5: that are saturated. I do writ like a heavy, deep
Speaker 5: fuchia right in Cold Walt Blue.
Speaker 4: I want to be a deep fuschia girl. I'm like
Speaker 4: the girl who keeps trying to buy the deep fuchia
Speaker 4: lip lipsticks and they just stay in the drawer because
Speaker 4: I put it on and I'm like.
Speaker 2: It's screw look.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes like from lips to style. I feel
Speaker 4: like we all deserve someone like you to just walk
Speaker 4: through from the hair, Like the hair color. I know
Speaker 4: my hair color is not the right color, right, now
Speaker 4: it's range. As my neighbor Sydney, who's eight years old,
Speaker 4: told me, it's Mandy, I like your hair it's orange than.
Speaker 3: You're like.
Speaker 5: But to that point, to that point, beauty and coloring
Speaker 5: does matter because it's it's the reason why you go
Speaker 5: to the nail salon and write you put on. You
Speaker 5: find someone that has a particular color, you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: I want to try it, and then you're like, no,
Speaker 5: that doesn't work for me.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
Speaker 5: It goes for your lipstick, it goes for your makeup,
Speaker 5: it goes for your hair color when you're dying it,
Speaker 5: all of it matters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's liberating when you stop trying to
Speaker 4: pick what looks good on other people and start experimenting
Speaker 4: to see what your best version is. And I think
Speaker 4: that's the clique that I had working with like an
Speaker 4: she was more of an image consultant now that I
Speaker 4: think about it, because we talked about what tone did
Speaker 4: I want to bring out, Like this is for all
Speaker 4: the pictures I have on my website and all that
Speaker 4: stuff my social media, and like what did I want
Speaker 4: to emote? What did I want to evoke, you know,
Speaker 4: to my audience, and it was Yeah, it was like
Speaker 4: letting go of what Like I wasn't going to look
Speaker 4: at Tiffany. Tiffany's our website are completely different, you know,
Speaker 4: different vibes, different, And it's like if I looked at
Speaker 4: hers or anyone else in my space and try to
Speaker 4: mimic it, it just wouldn't be I don't know, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't feel as authentic. I wouldn't be as excited to
Speaker 4: rep it, you know what I mean. So for people
Speaker 4: who are listening, who are maybe thinking like, okay, this
Speaker 4: is overwhelming just talking about hair nails style, Where in
Speaker 4: your closet? Where'd you start if you were like like
Speaker 4: telling someone to you know, help, trying to help someone cull,
Speaker 4: like take out things that are maybe not working for
Speaker 4: them and you know, bring in more of the right stuff.
Speaker 5: So first and foremost right. And I think everybody's heard this,
Speaker 5: But if you haven't won it in six months, if
Speaker 5: you haven't wanted in a year, let it go, right,
Speaker 5: that would deplete about ninety five percent of my pick
Speaker 5: somebody else, I different, one, I different one.
Speaker 4: Can we say six years? Can I get a little extension?
Speaker 2: Listen I have? It might fit me again Kendra, it
Speaker 2: might fit me again.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, so he's perfect, right, perfect segue. If it
Speaker 5: might fit you again, the question is do you want
Speaker 5: to represent that version of you or are you willing
Speaker 5: to then invest in something that represents who you are now?
Speaker 2: Whatever? That now? Is that sweet? Right? Yeah? I try.
Speaker 4: I think living in the city has forced me to
Speaker 4: get rid of things a lot faster because you move
Speaker 4: and like, you don't have that much closet based in
Speaker 4: New York and whatever. And I live in a smaller
Speaker 4: house now, So I think I have been better about
Speaker 4: getting rid of stuff. But there are like there's versions
Speaker 4: of myself that I know don't exist anymore. There's stuff
Speaker 4: that I wore, you know, when I was at Yahoo
Speaker 4: and and early in my career as a journalist that
Speaker 4: I'm just not That's just not the vibe anymore. Okay,
Speaker 4: So the six month rule is painful. It's painful truth.
Speaker 5: So truth, right, if you don't do it in the
Speaker 5: six months, like definitely do I say try and call
Speaker 5: every season right because you are stepping into a new
Speaker 5: season and you're looking to wear cloth. So if it
Speaker 5: doesn't fit you and you're like, oh, maybe, the question
Speaker 5: is did you wear it last year. If you didn't
Speaker 5: wear it last year right at the same season, let
Speaker 5: it go Righty's face.
Speaker 3: Have to be I'm talking to MANDI. I'm like, girl,
Speaker 3: you heard what she said?
Speaker 2: What's your closet? I'm nice, full to the ram with foolishness.
Speaker 4: I also don't leave the house anymore, but I might
Speaker 4: leave the house in the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually, the outfit that I wore to the output that
Speaker 4: I worded that conference, I probably had in my closet
Speaker 4: for about six months. Sometimes I buy things and I'm
Speaker 4: just like, I'll find, oh, I got the most amazing
Speaker 4: like green sequin jumpsuit, don't ask it was short, It's
Speaker 4: from Eloquy, and I'll buy it. And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: going to have a party to go to in that
Speaker 4: outfit in the future, which maybe isn't the best for
Speaker 4: my budget. But anyway, I had those like aspirational clothes
Speaker 4: that I'm not going to wear every day. But my
Speaker 4: style has been I feel like run down by me
Speaker 4: just being seen from the waist up in my zen den,
Speaker 4: like I don't my feet. I got the pants I'm
Speaker 4: wearing right now? Are you know what I slept enough?
Speaker 4: I'm on us, right, So.
Speaker 2: That's fine, it's different.
Speaker 5: I kept putting listen, I kept turning the camera off
Speaker 5: because I didn't have pants on them. Then I was like,
Speaker 5: let me actually go put it pants off, So we're fine.
Speaker 5: Rights a stylist, don't get it twisted. I like, I
Speaker 5: do everything like everybody else does, right, but when I
Speaker 5: get on camera, it's let me make sure that I
Speaker 5: look good from the waist up. So even if you're
Speaker 5: talking about this is all that you do when you're
Speaker 5: on meetings on zoom, doesn't mean that you still can't
Speaker 5: be stylish, right. You still want to be able to
Speaker 5: wear what you have and make it look good, right.
Speaker 5: So so that's my first thing about culling. I think
Speaker 5: the second thing is about fit right. So, to me,
Speaker 5: fit is the biggest pet peeve because having something that
Speaker 5: fits you properly will make you look amazing, and people
Speaker 5: don't realize it.
Speaker 2: Right. Some people wear.
Speaker 4: Things feel amazing because you're not tugging stuff. Mandy Woodruff.
Speaker 4: Stop buying things that you think you should be the
Speaker 4: right size in, but you're not. Like, it's why do
Speaker 4: I torture myself?
Speaker 5: Here's what I tell people. Clothes are being mass produced
Speaker 5: we are not right, But they're not being mass produced
Speaker 5: for mass bodies. They're being produced for the one fit model,
Speaker 5: which is a model who they use to put the
Speaker 5: clothes on for the same fit for the same brand.
Speaker 2: Right. That's ideally what a fit model is.
Speaker 5: If you are not that model shape, their clothes may
Speaker 5: not fit you really well, right, or part of their
Speaker 5: clothes will, and some of them won't because they will
Speaker 5: also send it out to manufacturers for private label, which
Speaker 5: means they're not even making it. They're buying it from
Speaker 5: someone else who's making it. So it's never about the size.
Speaker 5: It's never about the quote unquot number. It is about
Speaker 5: what is there, What do their numbers say in terms
Speaker 5: of measurements for their sizes, so that you should know
Speaker 5: what your measurements are right, your bust, your waist, your hips,
Speaker 5: so that when you're buying pants, if I say I'm
Speaker 5: a size eighteen, but my hips are a fifty three,
Speaker 5: and in this particular brand, a fifty three is a
Speaker 5: twenty two, then I've got to go with the twenty
Speaker 5: two to make sure that that fits me right. And
Speaker 5: so yeah, I don't I tell people it.
Speaker 4: Was humbling having an image consultant pick my sizes because
Speaker 4: I was like, why are you being so mean?
Speaker 3: No, but that that actually really makes a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've gotten measured, like you know,
Speaker 1: past I don't even know maybe the last time I've
Speaker 1: gotten measured, because You're right, the certain sizes, you know,
Speaker 1: like I can range from, you know how it is
Speaker 1: with black girls.
Speaker 3: I can go from the lowest.
Speaker 1: Eight, you know, up to a twelve, depending on like
Speaker 1: the fit or the brand or whatever. Sometimes even the fourteen.
Speaker 1: It just you know, if it's the top, I might
Speaker 1: be a medium. If it's the bottom, I might be
Speaker 1: a larger extra lone. So it just so to know,
Speaker 1: like this is what my actual measurements are, even though
Speaker 1: that fluctuates. It is I never thought about that because
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll get something and I'm like, one thing I
Speaker 1: have done recently is I heard this on another podcast.
Speaker 3: She was saying how she loved this.
Speaker 1: There was a black woman and she would say, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I love my dry cleaner because they know
Speaker 1: my body and they do alterations.
Speaker 3: And I don't know why I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a few bucks that I was like, when
Speaker 1: I tell you, I have since taken everything to Miss
Speaker 1: Susie down in Belleville.
Speaker 2: Susie no be like, hey girl, I'm like, first of.
Speaker 3: All, I know you know your name is not Susie.
Speaker 1: That's just the American because you don't want people to
Speaker 1: say your Asian name wrong, so we just laugh. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my name is also not tough. But I mean literally,
Speaker 1: some of my most beautiful alphas that I'm like, it
Speaker 1: just needed that extra little tuck, that extra little hem,
Speaker 1: that extra little They look amazing now for a few bucks.
Speaker 1: And I can't believe I waited till long to get
Speaker 1: things tailored to my body.
Speaker 5: It's I don't know what it is about the way
Speaker 5: women are.
Speaker 2: Brought up.
Speaker 5: I want to say, right, and how we're taught to
Speaker 5: shop because as boys as men, right, everything is fitted.
Speaker 5: Everything is based on the size and on a measurement.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Their shirt sizes is their's neck size and the link
Speaker 5: of their arms. Their pants are their waist and the
Speaker 5: end scene. Right, Women's sizes aren't that it's like the
Speaker 5: standard two four, six eight, But we're not standards, right,
Speaker 5: All of that's different. Men's sizes are different. Men's are
Speaker 5: actually based on their actual measurements. And so when I
Speaker 5: tell women, no, this needs to get olted, they're like, no,
Speaker 5: it should fit. I'm like, but why why should it fit?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: There's no reason why if I make something as a
Speaker 5: brand and somebody else makes something as a brand, because
Speaker 5: there's no standard in the industry that all of that
Speaker 5: should fit you. So definitely fit for the widest part
Speaker 5: of your body first, and then tailor everything down right,
Speaker 5: So whether that's your bust, whether that's your hips, whatever,
Speaker 5: the widest part of you is fit that first, and
Speaker 5: then tailor in right.
Speaker 4: And then that I was at the tailor of the
Speaker 4: waist because the hips are hippen. The hips are in
Speaker 4: a whole different section of the grocer of the store.
Speaker 1: Get right, Yes, I don't know, but my hips in
Speaker 1: the back is like, hey girl, so we can get.
Speaker 4: A hole wearing belts wearing belts. But like, my husband
Speaker 4: gets custom shirts from proper cloth made because he has
Speaker 4: really long arms and he just has always done that.
Speaker 4: He doesn't shop off the rack. If he does, he's
Speaker 4: usually unhappy with it. And I'd be like, and he
Speaker 4: gets his stuff let out when he gained weight or
Speaker 4: let in, you know, when he's got back down and
Speaker 4: He just does it without like the emotional hang ups
Speaker 4: that I have at the same time, like I've lost
Speaker 4: some battle. But but he can do that because his
Speaker 4: pieces are like higher quality. So they can be you know,
Speaker 4: they're meant to be taken in or not meant to be,
Speaker 4: but they can be taken in taken out. And where
Speaker 4: would you say to get fitted at? Oh, go ahead,
Speaker 4: well no, And I was gonna say, I'm like, there's
Speaker 4: a higher quality and quality of taking things in?
Speaker 2: Is yes?
Speaker 5: Am I going to take something in from Forever twenty
Speaker 5: one or write some fash fashion brand?
Speaker 2: Maybe not right?
Speaker 5: But if I get it at You know, if I
Speaker 5: get something that's called quality piece, that quality doesn't necessarily
Speaker 5: mean that you have to spend two three hundred dollars
Speaker 5: for it. It can be a good quality piece that's
Speaker 5: one hundred dollars or less. If I get it taken
Speaker 5: in to fit perfectly and it looks like a two
Speaker 5: hundred dollars piece because now it fits me, is it
Speaker 5: worth it right now? Whether you want to buy something
Speaker 5: that's one hundred dollars and have something that needs to
Speaker 5: get taken in for one hundred dollars, that's a very
Speaker 5: different story. But to have something taken in or pants
Speaker 5: taken up, waste taken in, it's going to cost you
Speaker 5: somewhere between depending on where you live, right, twelve dollars
Speaker 5: to fifteen to twenty dollars. That's not a lot of
Speaker 5: money invested into an additional piece that you bought, that
Speaker 5: you probably got on sale, right, that's going to fit
Speaker 5: you well and that you're going to wear well.
Speaker 2: Right, That's the other thing.
Speaker 5: And I tell people also think about investment pieces as
Speaker 5: as buys.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So if we're going to go to the budget at
Speaker 5: EASTA Route, there is what's called a cost per wear,
Speaker 5: which is how many times are you wearing that piece
Speaker 5: that you are investing in? Right, So, if you're going
Speaker 5: to spend five hundred dollars on a dress, is that
Speaker 5: dress something that you're going to have for years because
Speaker 5: it's quality? Right, You've paid for the quality, You've paid
Speaker 5: for the fit that you're wearing at least once a
Speaker 5: week if it's a basic piece, or every other week,
Speaker 5: because you can put it in and out of your
Speaker 5: wardrobe and use it with alternate pieces, right, So that
Speaker 5: you're creating a wardrobe that is going to last you,
Speaker 5: and that you're wearing consistently. Buying it and wearing it
Speaker 5: one hundred times is very different than buying a piece
Speaker 5: and wearing it twenty five times. Right, So it's looking
Speaker 5: at the investment in the pieces that you're wearing and
Speaker 5: making sure that that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: You can see me a mattress right now with them.
Speaker 4: That's how they sell you mattresses and appliances. You're going
Speaker 4: to sleep on this one thousand hours, so really it's
Speaker 4: eight cents per se. Forget about it being five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, kender.
Speaker 4: So for I do want to ask though, like where
Speaker 4: can you get fitted today? Like for Bras? Because I
Speaker 4: know BRA's eye for me has changed, yes, with children,
Speaker 4: and like it's frustrating to think I have to go
Speaker 4: do this again, but it's we deserve right to acknowledge
Speaker 4: our changes. So like where would you say, like to
Speaker 4: start with getting fitted and getting measured so that you
Speaker 4: can start thinking like shopping more thoughtfully.
Speaker 5: Here's where I tell people think about this is the
Speaker 5: best way I can say it.
Speaker 2: Think about wherever your grammar them.
Speaker 5: May have gone to shop for Bras, right, And I
Speaker 5: say that only because if you are going to Victoria's Secrets. Listen,
Speaker 5: I love Vicky's for your Lord d aesthetic of it
Speaker 5: five or twenty five. I'm sorry the five for twenty five.
Speaker 5: That's my cham You're just trying to plaint me out
Speaker 5: in high school.
Speaker 2: Listen. You can do that with underwear.
Speaker 5: With bras, you need to be fitted properly and so right,
Speaker 5: there's an aesthetic piece, great, but you also need to understand,
Speaker 5: as women, breasts come in different shapes, different sizes, where
Speaker 5: you are holding the mass of your breast, right, whether
Speaker 5: it's lower, whether it's a full or bust, all of
Speaker 5: those things matter, and the type of bra that you
Speaker 5: wear matters in terms of the actual cut.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So just like jeans, right, different genes fit different parts
Speaker 5: of the body of all of that.
Speaker 2: Same thing with bras.
Speaker 5: Right there, I am a forty h I can't wear
Speaker 5: a Demi cup bra, right, I am just going to
Speaker 5: spill out of it. That's not going to hold me properly.
Speaker 5: But I can do a balconet, which is going to
Speaker 5: give me the same look as a Demi cup bra. Right,
Speaker 5: and I'll sit higher understanding all of those pieces getting fitted,
Speaker 5: you really need to go to a specialty place to
Speaker 5: get fitted right and get fitted properly. Some places like
Speaker 5: Nordstromrac not Nochrimrac, Nordstrums right your dark apartment stores, Macy's
Speaker 5: and so forth, Bloomingdale's, they do have people that fit.
Speaker 5: Some of them are great, some of them are not.
Speaker 5: What I will tell you is that you get your
Speaker 5: most support around your band right. So your band should
Speaker 5: You should start at the last loop, so where you're
Speaker 5: where the bra strap ends right should be where you start.
Speaker 5: And then you work your way in right so that
Speaker 5: as you wear your bra over time, it is right.
Speaker 5: The rubber in it, the elastic in it starts to
Speaker 5: wear it down, you make it tighter right. So you
Speaker 5: should never start on the inside one. You should always
Speaker 5: start on the outside loops and work your way in.
Speaker 5: That being said, you should never be able to pull
Speaker 5: your bra too far away from your body, like you
Speaker 5: should be able to slip your hand under your bra
Speaker 5: right for your band for the support, and then right
Speaker 5: then your shoulder straps come second.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So it's where people are like, oh, it's digging into
Speaker 5: my shoulders. It's because you're not getting the support that you
Speaker 5: need around around your around your chest, right around the
Speaker 5: actual bust and you're trying to use the shoulder support
Speaker 5: and that's supposed to be secondary.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: The other thing is is that what's called the gore
Speaker 5: at the very front if you are wearing an underwire bra,
Speaker 5: the gore of the bra is the very front of
Speaker 5: the bra where the two wires meet right on left
Speaker 5: and right. That should sit flat against your chest. Right,
Speaker 5: the uniboob, the double boob, all of that should not happen.
Speaker 5: I don't care what size you are, right because where
Speaker 5: women tell me, well, I'm I'm an E or I'm
Speaker 5: a jay, I'm an H.
Speaker 2: I know what that means.
Speaker 5: I still can fit my fist in the middle of
Speaker 5: my chest when I wear a bra. Right, I had
Speaker 5: that separation, I had that lift. Your breast should sit
Speaker 5: really halfway through where your arm is right should be
Speaker 5: the peak of your breast, and that's where they should sit. Now,
Speaker 5: there are some women who, like I said, different women,
Speaker 5: different bodies, different breasts, sit a little bit lower, and
Speaker 5: that happens right there as some people who sit a
Speaker 5: little bit wider, some people who are a little bit
Speaker 5: closer together. All of those come into play in terms
Speaker 5: of the types of brands that work for different body
Speaker 5: shapes or different breast shapes, I should say, right, So
Speaker 5: it's also being mindful of that as well. Right, we
Speaker 5: all love Vicki's because it's cute and sexy. Is it
Speaker 5: going to give you the proper support? Not really unless
Speaker 5: you're a smaller cup, right, but if you're anything out
Speaker 5: there in so long. And here's the other thing about
Speaker 5: there's so many better brands now, which is exciting, Like,
Speaker 5: there's so many better brands, and I feel like also
Speaker 5: the best thing about being a zoom worker now is
Speaker 5: I really don't have to wear right now camera is
Speaker 5: situated just below.
Speaker 1: It feels weird for me to be hanging loose. So
Speaker 1: I like to wear like I like a sports brad,
Speaker 1: like just around the house.
Speaker 5: And here's the other thing I'll say, to lose ten pounds,
Speaker 5: gain ten pounds, get refitted like no matter what, right,
Speaker 5: because how you carry your weight will also change.
Speaker 4: Well, this has been enlightening. I feel like you could
Speaker 4: write a book just on bras alone. But where can
Speaker 4: people find you if they want to work with you
Speaker 4: or they want to follow your work or just get
Speaker 4: to know you and start, you know, exploring their style.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, you can find me on social media honor
Speaker 5: your Style, and then my website is also on your
Speaker 5: style dot com. And I am actually doing a course
Speaker 5: over the next April and May on talking about style
Speaker 5: and what that looks like for individuals, understanding how they
Speaker 5: understand their colors, their body shape, how to dress for
Speaker 5: their body shape right, and for their lifestyle.
Speaker 4: I love it, all right, Kendra, thank you so so
Speaker 4: so so much. If you need any models for any
Speaker 4: future you know, consulting or whatever, let us know. I
Speaker 4: probably will text you to remind me what my what
Speaker 4: my shades are bright and warm or whatever it was.
Speaker 4: But it's been so fun having you on. All right,
Speaker 4: thank you ladies.
Speaker 2: I appreciate here.
Speaker 5: Remember always honor your style, Honor you.
Speaker 4: Thank you who was the tag one?
Speaker 3: And Dan? I love that