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Speaker 2: We're black, We're brown.

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Speaker 3: Ambition, ambition, ambition.

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Speaker 2: AMBITI Hey, Mandra, how are you girl? Hello?

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Speaker 4: Lady in red, I haven't seen you in this color before.

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Speaker 4: From Amazon people, Yeah, shopping on Amazon. I haven't really done.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people seem to get cute stuff famous. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's how I feel. It's either going to be good

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Speaker 4: quality or like forever twenty one clearance been you know,

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Speaker 4: quality is how I feel. But I love that you're

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Speaker 4: in this new bright color. I am in this one

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Speaker 4: of my favorite shades, which I am now over analyzing

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Speaker 4: a winter summer? I'm really excited about today's show and

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Speaker 4: the reason we're talking a little bit about style is

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Speaker 4: one I think if you follow Brad Ambition from the

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Speaker 4: very beginning, it's been almost eight years now, can you believe?

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Speaker 4: Can you believe we're in the third grade almost and

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Speaker 4: we have changed quite a bit. I feel like our

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Speaker 4: style has evolved. I think all of our styles are

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Speaker 4: constantly evolving, especially like we talked a lot about hair

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Speaker 4: during a recent episode and like how that can evolve

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Speaker 4: of color. I feel like, but today we have a

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Speaker 4: really fantastic guest, Tiffany, and I can't wait for y'all

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Speaker 4: to meet here. I met this woman at a recent

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Speaker 4: I hadn't really thought about my style very much. But

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Speaker 4: bit more. What has your style like evolution been, Tiffany,

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Speaker 4: as you've gone from Budgetista, I was always like Netflix

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Speaker 1: Super tom Boys kind of like my whole life, I

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Speaker 1: I would get feedback and say, like, I like Tifany,

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Speaker 1: I got a couple of people who said that because pre

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Speaker 1: And so I got to delay developing my style because I,

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Speaker 1: So thankfully my sister Tracy, who's also a publisher, she

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Speaker 4: But she helped me finally get out of that trap

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Speaker 4: when do we stop giving giving a crap about people

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Speaker 1: Still trying to have eighty I'm forty, and I would

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Speaker 4: But yeah, well I still got collagen, you know, while

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Speaker 4: there's some lift in the skin, like just even on vacation.

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Speaker 4: But I was rocking bikinis. I wasn't. I wasn't hiding

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Speaker 3: Actually, maybe that's my problem. I don't have a style.

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn, the Brooklyn black girl I love because I'm

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Speaker 1: like the afrocentric at my core, and so I love

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I'll never be that cool.

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Speaker 4: Who is that cool? Who was our guest the Davis's

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Speaker 4: BA fam. Her name is Kendra Porter. She is a

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Speaker 4: find Kendra producing events on the mic for well known

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Speaker 4: and she's also in studio dressing on air talent at

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Speaker 4: Come on now. Over a decade of experience, she has

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Speaker 4: dressed for designers at New York Fashion Week, from Oscar

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Speaker 4: Della Rented to Problem. Yeah, how do you say that, Kendra?

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Speaker 4: I'd be you know when you see something, but you know, anyway, whatever,

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Speaker 4: she's very, very impressive and we are so freaking excited

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Speaker 5: Welcome Kendra, Thank you, ladies, thank you so much for

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Speaker 5: having me. And I did say probably Garung. My apologies,

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Speaker 5: I was not unmiked, unmiked, unmuted, but uh yeah, probably Garn. Listen,

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Speaker 5: even for me saying some of the designer's names, I'm like, wait,

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Speaker 4: They deserve Well. I'm so happy to have you on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and welcome you.

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Speaker 5: And so it is making sure that you are aligned

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Speaker 5: So those people who think about this way, even if

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Speaker 4: You feel better? Yeah, I mean, Kendrick, when I was

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Speaker 5: So the first thing I would say is definitely think

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Speaker 5: It doesn't work for you. But think about, no matter

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Speaker 5: colors work really well for you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you good because that means really bright and like bold.

435
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: Right.

436
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 5: Well, no, like if you do, like so the mid

437
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 5: color that you're wearing now, I want a little bit

438
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 5: deeper in green, right, like a little bit more saturated, less.

439
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: White in the coloring. Right.

440
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 5: So when I met you, you had on lilac, which

441
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 5: was gorgeous on you. It was a deeper tone. It

442
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 5: was still pastel, but it was a deeper, more saturated color.

443
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 2: Right.

444
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 4: That's the color people tell me I look really good. Yeah,

445
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: that's how people were lining up afterwards, like show the

446
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 4: little you gotta tell us where to get one of

447
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 4: those color wheel things too, you know.

448
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 5: So this is what I tell people, So TIFTI right now,

449
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, I can't see you on camera, but here's

450
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 5: what I would say, right to. Most people think about

451
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 5: whether you you are better, whether you look better in

452
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 5: white like a Chris white shirt like this, or if

453
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 5: you look better in cream. Right, that's the easiest way

454
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 5: to tell and what you want to look at is

455
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 5: does your skin glow? Are you healthier? Does it look brighter?

456
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 5: So when people tell me, oh, I can't wear whatever color, right,

457
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 5: like I can't wear green because I look sallow or

458
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 5: I look sickly, it's because it's not the right shade

459
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 5: of green. So think about right, when you were a

460
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 5: kid in painting in primary colors? Right, so it was red, yellow,

461
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 5: and blue, make it primary colors. The question is does

462
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 5: it have more yellow or red in it which makes

463
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 5: it warmer, or more blue which.

464
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: Makes it cooler?

465
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 5: Right, So if you think about red, right, so we

466
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 5: all know that red lipstick, trying to find the right

467
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 5: shade red lipstick is always a challenge.

468
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: Right.

469
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Speaker 5: This is why if I show you these are all

470
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Speaker 5: shades of red.

471
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 2: Right?

472
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 3: Wow? Okay, if you're watching on YouTube, you should be.

473
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, the top are all and I go then you

474
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 5: go in the middle roof for sure?

475
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: Right? The top, oh is that right?

476
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 5: The top are warmer colors, right, there's more yellow in

477
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 5: them across the board, and the bottom are cooler colors.

478
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: Right.

479
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 5: And so if you have a tendency to do hot pinks,

480
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 5: blue looks amazing on you, right, Purples look really great

481
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 5: on you. That is someone who's cooler in coloring. If

482
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 5: you do better in reds and browns and oranges, then

483
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 5: you're warmer. So Tiffany, I feel like I want to say,

484
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 5: you're actually warmer in coloring.

485
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Speaker 4: Can you see her right now? I want you to

486
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: see her because she's got this bright red. I can't

487
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: tell if it's the right shade of red for her. Keundra,

488
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: let's right.

489
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: Here, can you see me?

490
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, I'm like, put me up

491
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Speaker 1: on line.

492
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 4: But you don't have the exact color on No, I'm

493
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Speaker 4: gonna I'm literally gonna do this right now. I'm gonna

494
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: texas to you, Kentre.

495
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Speaker 1: Yes, because I'm just like, I want to know. Yeah,

496
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: something's about my internet. It was wonky last But you've.

497
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Speaker 4: Seen Tiffany like on her book cover and things like that, Yeah,

498
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 4: what would you?

499
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

500
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 4: And I thought about you, tiff too. When Kendra was

501
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: talking about the color green, what is the color greens?

502
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: That?

503
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 4: Like? MINTI green, like the color I'm wearing symbolizes what now?

504
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 4: Because this is a color tiff has on her book.

505
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: So no, no, so for green, Yeah it's green on

506
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: the book. Yeah, I was like, it's a deeper green.

507
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 5: But for and I actually have that book on my bedside. No,

508
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 5: but the color green is more about right, nurturing, growing wealth, right,

509
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 5: is what green stands for. And so that's the other thing.

510
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: When people talk about colors, where you can wear every color,

511
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 5: it's the right shade or tone of that color for you.

512
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 5: It's also what do those colors represent?

513
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: Right.

514
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 5: So red can be sexy, right, red can be playful,

515
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 5: ray can be powerful or it can be danger right,

516
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 5: depending on the context and where you're going and who

517
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 5: you're talking to. It's how do you want to be seen.

518
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 5: So the example that I give best is I have

519
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 5: two clients who are psychologists. One deals with adults, the

520
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 5: other one deals with children. For the gentleman who deals

521
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 5: with adults, right, I had to put him in greens

522
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 5: and browns and blues because blue is trustworthy, Brown is

523
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 5: nurturing and stability, right, and green is part of that

524
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: nurture sense. And so that's what we and then we

525
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 5: shot him in like we shot him outdoors, right, So

526
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 5: for him, that was about stability and nurturing for adults.

527
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 5: For my client who deals with kids, right, we had

528
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 5: to put her in bold colors or bold patterns right,

529
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 5: and bright colors, because that's what kids are going to

530
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 5: gravitate to, right, that sense of fun and playfulness. And

531
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: so how you show up in the context of where

532
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 5: you are is important. Right, if she went in wearing

533
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 5: all black right to the kids, they'd be like, I

534
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 5: don't know if I feel comfortable talking to her, Right,

535
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 5: she needs to be approachable to them, and so it's

536
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 5: important as to how people read that as well.

537
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 4: And also like if people are not Like, even if

538
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: you work in a field where you're interracting people a lot,

539
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: and then you realize, I'm not really connecting with people

540
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: in the right way. Maybe it's not your personality that's

541
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: it's just like the image that you have, and it's

542
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: something about it appealing or unappealing. I'm wondering because ever

543
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 4: since I made this, you know, I've always been drawn

544
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 4: to like brighter colors. But since I've been like really

545
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 4: focusing on my wardrobe in that way, the kids at

546
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 4: Rio's daycare, they love me. They stopped, They're like, there's

547
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 4: Rio's mom. I think it's also the hair. I just

548
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 4: come in looking like a good time, like most of

549
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 4: the time. So Kendras here getting your whole entire life together.

550
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: But let's take a pause for the cause and go

551
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: to break and be right back.

552
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 4: All right, Can you check your text? Because I talked

553
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 4: to you a picture of like the gorgeous to.

554
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: Me, like I need to know.

555
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 4: And that's the thing where you like you saw Tracy

556
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: have the same color red.

557
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: No, she had like a pink. She had like this

558
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 3: like other pink. So this is like more of an

559
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: orange in person, is it really? Yeah?

560
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, it's like a really deep pumpkin in person.

561
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 5: So to me, it looks like Tiffany is definitely warmer

562
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 5: in coloring, okay, right, which means right, reds are great

563
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 5: for you, right because you can do and you can

564
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 5: do reds as a cool like, but I have to

565
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: do a true red right like I can't do.

566
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: For me. None of these colors work, right.

567
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 4: Okay, I look bad in those colors.

568
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 5: So I don't know if you guys can see this,

569
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 5: I'm like cool, do this, that's why. Right if I

570
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 5: do this on like somewhearing red lipstick, this versus this, m.

571
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: Do you see a difference.

572
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 4: So for those who I feel like one of them

573
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 4: makes your color.

574
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's holding up her color cards, you know,

575
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: just so like so you can see what live would be.

576
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if we just do this.

577
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 4: Versus this, which one's a true red? I don't even

578
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 4: know these are true reds, right, it's just about these

579
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: are cooler reds, right, So these are cooler reds.

580
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: These are warmer reds for me? A cooler red? Is this? Right?

581
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 5: What I'm wearing is more of a true red. And

582
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 5: this pops on me versus me putting on something.

583
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: Like this.

584
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: Which might not make you look as bright?

585
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: Correct?

586
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 4: Is that what we're kind of going for here, looking

587
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 4: for colors that make you like, how do you know

588
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 4: when it's the right shade? So you just pick your

589
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: cool or you're warm and you're bright, and you're carrying

590
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: those little cards around.

591
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: I do color swatches on. You'll do it.

592
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 5: But part of it also is is that if you're

593
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: in the wrong color, you'll see more. And it's the

594
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: lighting in here isn't great for you guys to see this,

595
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 5: but what you end up seeing is you actually see

596
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 5: more of the shading, so you see the shading under

597
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 5: your eyes. So, right, if you've got if you are

598
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 5: already worried about having bags under your eyes are a

599
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 5: little darkness. If you have like I do, right, some

600
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 5: you know, some some hair on the above your lip, right,

601
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 5: it comes out darker. Right, it will show your creaselines

602
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: as well. Right, so your laugh lies at a natural

603
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 5: All of those pieces will come out. Your pores on

604
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: your face will actually look bigger when you're in colors

605
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 5: that are the right color for you. Now, when I

606
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 5: tell that to people, I tell people, don't stress, like

607
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 5: you don't have to get rid of all your wardrobe

608
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 5: of pieces that don't fit you. But it is then

609
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 5: how do you layer those colors with other colors that

610
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: do right? So it's if you're not in the right color.

611
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 5: So if I'm wearing your cream top, I probably have

612
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 5: on a bright color jacket over it or scarf. Right,

613
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: that changes up the way that that looks.

614
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: I make it verse.

615
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: I feel like she told me that to your point,

616
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: I have to Asklee look, because sometimes I'll ask her, like, wait,

617
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: what are my tones?

618
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: Because she'll say, she said.

619
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: If everybody thinks that black people have like red undertone,

620
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: red undertone, And she's like, that's not you know, being round,

621
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: that's not always the case. She's like, Tiffany, you have

622
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: more yellow than people probably might not realize. We do

623
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: a lot of berry. Very rarely does she put me

624
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: in a full red. Berries look great as far as

625
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: like on my lips. So I don't know what that means.

626
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: But so we do a lot of that that looks

627
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: really great. She will create a red, so she'll mix

628
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: to get to a red that like suits if I'm

629
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: wanting to wear red. Yeah, but yeah, I find that,

630
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: like coral is one of my like really great go

631
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: to colors that look that looks like great.

632
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: On me, that has a little bit more yellow to it, right.

633
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like deep tones I think, like I guess

634
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: my skin is pretty deep, but deep tones I find

635
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: because sometimes I wear something light, like a light loud

636
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: like or a light yellow, and I'm like, yeah.

637
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 5: So the way, yeah, the way color works is that people,

638
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: you look at the colors that work better for you,

639
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: whether they're cool or they're warmer, and then you look

640
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 5: at are they bright and vibrant, right, or bright vibrant

641
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 5: and saturated or are they soft and muted?

642
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: Right?

643
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 5: So what I mean by soft is are they pastels?

644
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 5: Are they muted? Is they grade out?

645
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: Right? So you're going to go.

646
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 5: Either warm or cool and then you're either doing bright

647
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 5: and saturated colors or you're doing muted and soft colors, right.

648
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 5: And what I tend to find is that, truthfully, it

649
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 5: also has a lot to do. It's also reflecting people's personalities. Right,

650
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 5: So those people who for you, definitely Tiffany, right, more

651
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: saturated colors work better. Right, for Mandy, it's the pastels

652
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 5: work better, but it's also bright pastels, right, More saturated

653
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 5: pastels work well for you. I do really well in

654
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: saturated colors. Again, of like kind of like Mandy, but

655
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 5: a little bit different. I think Mandy reads a little

656
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: bit softer, so she does a little bit more pastels

657
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 5: that are saturated. I do writ like a heavy, deep

658
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 5: fuchia right in Cold Walt Blue.

659
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: I want to be a deep fuschia girl. I'm like

660
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 4: the girl who keeps trying to buy the deep fuchia

661
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 4: lip lipsticks and they just stay in the drawer because

662
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: I put it on and I'm like.

663
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: It's screw look.

664
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes like from lips to style. I feel

665
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: like we all deserve someone like you to just walk

666
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 4: through from the hair, Like the hair color. I know

667
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: my hair color is not the right color, right, now

668
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: it's range. As my neighbor Sydney, who's eight years old,

669
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: told me, it's Mandy, I like your hair it's orange than.

670
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: You're like.

671
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 5: But to that point, to that point, beauty and coloring

672
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: does matter because it's it's the reason why you go

673
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 5: to the nail salon and write you put on. You

674
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 5: find someone that has a particular color, you're like, oh,

675
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 5: I want to try it, and then you're like, no,

676
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 5: that doesn't work for me.

677
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.

678
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 5: It goes for your lipstick, it goes for your makeup,

679
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 5: it goes for your hair color when you're dying it,

680
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 5: all of it matters.

681
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's liberating when you stop trying to

682
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: pick what looks good on other people and start experimenting

683
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: to see what your best version is. And I think

684
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 4: that's the clique that I had working with like an

685
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: she was more of an image consultant now that I

686
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 4: think about it, because we talked about what tone did

687
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: I want to bring out, Like this is for all

688
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: the pictures I have on my website and all that

689
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: stuff my social media, and like what did I want

690
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: to emote? What did I want to evoke, you know,

691
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 4: to my audience, and it was Yeah, it was like

692
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 4: letting go of what Like I wasn't going to look

693
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: at Tiffany. Tiffany's our website are completely different, you know,

694
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: different vibes, different, And it's like if I looked at

695
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: hers or anyone else in my space and try to

696
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: mimic it, it just wouldn't be I don't know, I

697
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't feel as authentic. I wouldn't be as excited to

698
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 4: rep it, you know what I mean. So for people

699
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: who are listening, who are maybe thinking like, okay, this

700
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 4: is overwhelming just talking about hair nails style, Where in

701
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: your closet? Where'd you start if you were like like

702
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: telling someone to you know, help, trying to help someone cull,

703
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: like take out things that are maybe not working for

704
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: them and you know, bring in more of the right stuff.

705
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 5: So first and foremost right. And I think everybody's heard this,

706
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 5: But if you haven't won it in six months, if

707
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: you haven't wanted in a year, let it go, right,

708
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 5: that would deplete about ninety five percent of my pick

709
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 5: somebody else, I different, one, I different one.

710
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: Can we say six years? Can I get a little extension?

711
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: Listen I have? It might fit me again Kendra, it

712
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: might fit me again.

713
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, so he's perfect, right, perfect segue. If it

714
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 5: might fit you again, the question is do you want

715
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 5: to represent that version of you or are you willing

716
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 5: to then invest in something that represents who you are now?

717
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: Whatever? That now? Is that sweet? Right? Yeah? I try.

718
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: I think living in the city has forced me to

719
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: get rid of things a lot faster because you move

720
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: and like, you don't have that much closet based in

721
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 4: New York and whatever. And I live in a smaller

722
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 4: house now, So I think I have been better about

723
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: getting rid of stuff. But there are like there's versions

724
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: of myself that I know don't exist anymore. There's stuff

725
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 4: that I wore, you know, when I was at Yahoo

726
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: and and early in my career as a journalist that

727
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 4: I'm just not That's just not the vibe anymore. Okay,

728
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: So the six month rule is painful. It's painful truth.

729
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 5: So truth, right, if you don't do it in the

730
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 5: six months, like definitely do I say try and call

731
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 5: every season right because you are stepping into a new

732
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 5: season and you're looking to wear cloth. So if it

733
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 5: doesn't fit you and you're like, oh, maybe, the question

734
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 5: is did you wear it last year. If you didn't

735
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 5: wear it last year right at the same season, let

736
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: it go Righty's face.

737
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: Have to be I'm talking to MANDI. I'm like, girl,

738
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: you heard what she said?

739
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: What's your closet? I'm nice, full to the ram with foolishness.

740
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: I also don't leave the house anymore, but I might

741
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: leave the house in the future.

742
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

743
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 4: Actually, the outfit that I wore to the output that

744
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 4: I worded that conference, I probably had in my closet

745
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 4: for about six months. Sometimes I buy things and I'm

746
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: just like, I'll find, oh, I got the most amazing

747
00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 4: like green sequin jumpsuit, don't ask it was short, It's

748
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: from Eloquy, and I'll buy it. And I'm like, I'm

749
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: going to have a party to go to in that

750
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 4: outfit in the future, which maybe isn't the best for

751
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 4: my budget. But anyway, I had those like aspirational clothes

752
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 4: that I'm not going to wear every day. But my

753
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 4: style has been I feel like run down by me

754
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 4: just being seen from the waist up in my zen den,

755
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: like I don't my feet. I got the pants I'm

756
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: wearing right now? Are you know what I slept enough?

757
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 4: I'm on us, right, So.

758
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: That's fine, it's different.

759
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 5: I kept putting listen, I kept turning the camera off

760
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 5: because I didn't have pants on them. Then I was like,

761
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 5: let me actually go put it pants off, So we're fine.

762
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 5: Rights a stylist, don't get it twisted. I like, I

763
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 5: do everything like everybody else does, right, but when I

764
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 5: get on camera, it's let me make sure that I

765
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 5: look good from the waist up. So even if you're

766
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 5: talking about this is all that you do when you're

767
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 5: on meetings on zoom, doesn't mean that you still can't

768
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 5: be stylish, right. You still want to be able to

769
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 5: wear what you have and make it look good, right.

770
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 5: So so that's my first thing about culling. I think

771
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 5: the second thing is about fit right. So, to me,

772
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: fit is the biggest pet peeve because having something that

773
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 5: fits you properly will make you look amazing, and people

774
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 5: don't realize it.

775
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: Right. Some people wear.

776
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 4: Things feel amazing because you're not tugging stuff. Mandy Woodruff.

777
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: Stop buying things that you think you should be the

778
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: right size in, but you're not. Like, it's why do

779
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 4: I torture myself?

780
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 5: Here's what I tell people. Clothes are being mass produced

781
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 5: we are not right, But they're not being mass produced

782
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: for mass bodies. They're being produced for the one fit model,

783
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 5: which is a model who they use to put the

784
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 5: clothes on for the same fit for the same brand.

785
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: Right. That's ideally what a fit model is.

786
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 5: If you are not that model shape, their clothes may

787
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 5: not fit you really well, right, or part of their

788
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 5: clothes will, and some of them won't because they will

789
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 5: also send it out to manufacturers for private label, which

790
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 5: means they're not even making it. They're buying it from

791
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 5: someone else who's making it. So it's never about the size.

792
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 5: It's never about the quote unquot number. It is about

793
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 5: what is there, What do their numbers say in terms

794
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 5: of measurements for their sizes, so that you should know

795
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: what your measurements are right, your bust, your waist, your hips,

796
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: so that when you're buying pants, if I say I'm

797
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 5: a size eighteen, but my hips are a fifty three,

798
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: and in this particular brand, a fifty three is a

799
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: twenty two, then I've got to go with the twenty

800
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 5: two to make sure that that fits me right. And

801
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: so yeah, I don't I tell people it.

802
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: Was humbling having an image consultant pick my sizes because

803
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: I was like, why are you being so mean?

804
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: No, but that that actually really makes a lot.

805
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've gotten measured, like you know,

806
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: past I don't even know maybe the last time I've

807
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: gotten measured, because You're right, the certain sizes, you know,

808
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: like I can range from, you know how it is

809
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: with black girls.

810
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: I can go from the lowest.

811
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: Eight, you know, up to a twelve, depending on like

812
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the fit or the brand or whatever. Sometimes even the fourteen.

813
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: It just you know, if it's the top, I might

814
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: be a medium. If it's the bottom, I might be

815
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: a larger extra lone. So it just so to know,

816
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: like this is what my actual measurements are, even though

817
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: that fluctuates. It is I never thought about that because

818
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll get something and I'm like, one thing I

819
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: have done recently is I heard this on another podcast.

820
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: She was saying how she loved this.

821
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: There was a black woman and she would say, oh

822
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: my gosh, I love my dry cleaner because they know

823
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: my body and they do alterations.

824
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: And I don't know why I didn't think about that.

825
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a few bucks that I was like, when

826
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I tell you, I have since taken everything to Miss

827
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: Susie down in Belleville.

828
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: Susie no be like, hey girl, I'm like, first of.

829
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: All, I know you know your name is not Susie.

830
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: That's just the American because you don't want people to

831
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: say your Asian name wrong, so we just laugh. I'm like,

832
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: my name is also not tough. But I mean literally,

833
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: some of my most beautiful alphas that I'm like, it

834
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: just needed that extra little tuck, that extra little hem,

835
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: that extra little They look amazing now for a few bucks.

836
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: And I can't believe I waited till long to get

837
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: things tailored to my body.

838
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 5: It's I don't know what it is about the way

839
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: women are.

840
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: Brought up.

841
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 5: I want to say, right, and how we're taught to

842
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 5: shop because as boys as men, right, everything is fitted.

843
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 5: Everything is based on the size and on a measurement.

844
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: Right.

845
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 5: Their shirt sizes is their's neck size and the link

846
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 5: of their arms. Their pants are their waist and the

847
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 5: end scene. Right, Women's sizes aren't that it's like the

848
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 5: standard two four, six eight, But we're not standards, right,

849
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 5: All of that's different. Men's sizes are different. Men's are

850
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: actually based on their actual measurements. And so when I

851
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: tell women, no, this needs to get olted, they're like, no,

852
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 5: it should fit. I'm like, but why why should it fit?

853
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: Right?

854
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: There's no reason why if I make something as a

855
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 5: brand and somebody else makes something as a brand, because

856
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 5: there's no standard in the industry that all of that

857
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: should fit you. So definitely fit for the widest part

858
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 5: of your body first, and then tailor everything down right,

859
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 5: So whether that's your bust, whether that's your hips, whatever,

860
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 5: the widest part of you is fit that first, and

861
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 5: then tailor in right.

862
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: And then that I was at the tailor of the

863
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: waist because the hips are hippen. The hips are in

864
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: a whole different section of the grocer of the store.

865
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: Get right, Yes, I don't know, but my hips in

866
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: the back is like, hey girl, so we can get.

867
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: A hole wearing belts wearing belts. But like, my husband

868
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: gets custom shirts from proper cloth made because he has

869
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: really long arms and he just has always done that.

870
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: He doesn't shop off the rack. If he does, he's

871
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: usually unhappy with it. And I'd be like, and he

872
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: gets his stuff let out when he gained weight or

873
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: let in, you know, when he's got back down and

874
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 4: He just does it without like the emotional hang ups

875
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 4: that I have at the same time, like I've lost

876
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: some battle. But but he can do that because his

877
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: pieces are like higher quality. So they can be you know,

878
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: they're meant to be taken in or not meant to be,

879
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: but they can be taken in taken out. And where

880
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: would you say to get fitted at? Oh, go ahead,

881
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 4: well no, And I was gonna say, I'm like, there's

882
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 4: a higher quality and quality of taking things in?

883
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: Is yes?

884
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 5: Am I going to take something in from Forever twenty

885
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 5: one or write some fash fashion brand?

886
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: Maybe not right?

887
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: But if I get it at You know, if I

888
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 5: get something that's called quality piece, that quality doesn't necessarily

889
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 5: mean that you have to spend two three hundred dollars

890
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 5: for it. It can be a good quality piece that's

891
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 5: one hundred dollars or less. If I get it taken

892
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 5: in to fit perfectly and it looks like a two

893
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 5: hundred dollars piece because now it fits me, is it

894
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 5: worth it right now? Whether you want to buy something

895
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 5: that's one hundred dollars and have something that needs to

896
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: get taken in for one hundred dollars, that's a very

897
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 5: different story. But to have something taken in or pants

898
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 5: taken up, waste taken in, it's going to cost you

899
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: somewhere between depending on where you live, right, twelve dollars

900
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: to fifteen to twenty dollars. That's not a lot of

901
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 5: money invested into an additional piece that you bought, that

902
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 5: you probably got on sale, right, that's going to fit

903
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 5: you well and that you're going to wear well.

904
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: Right, That's the other thing.

905
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 5: And I tell people also think about investment pieces as

906
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 5: as buys.

907
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: Right.

908
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: So if we're going to go to the budget at

909
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 5: EASTA Route, there is what's called a cost per wear,

910
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 5: which is how many times are you wearing that piece

911
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 5: that you are investing in? Right, So, if you're going

912
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 5: to spend five hundred dollars on a dress, is that

913
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 5: dress something that you're going to have for years because

914
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 5: it's quality? Right, You've paid for the quality, You've paid

915
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 5: for the fit that you're wearing at least once a

916
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 5: week if it's a basic piece, or every other week,

917
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 5: because you can put it in and out of your

918
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 5: wardrobe and use it with alternate pieces, right, So that

919
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 5: you're creating a wardrobe that is going to last you,

920
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 5: and that you're wearing consistently. Buying it and wearing it

921
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 5: one hundred times is very different than buying a piece

922
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 5: and wearing it twenty five times. Right, So it's looking

923
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 5: at the investment in the pieces that you're wearing and

924
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 5: making sure that that makes sense.

925
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: Right.

926
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: You can see me a mattress right now with them.

927
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: That's how they sell you mattresses and appliances. You're going

928
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 4: to sleep on this one thousand hours, so really it's

929
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 4: eight cents per se. Forget about it being five thousand dollars.

930
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 2: Oh okay, kender.

931
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 4: So for I do want to ask though, like where

932
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 4: can you get fitted today? Like for Bras? Because I

933
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: know BRA's eye for me has changed, yes, with children,

934
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 4: and like it's frustrating to think I have to go

935
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: do this again, but it's we deserve right to acknowledge

936
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: our changes. So like where would you say, like to

937
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 4: start with getting fitted and getting measured so that you

938
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: can start thinking like shopping more thoughtfully.

939
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 5: Here's where I tell people think about this is the

940
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 5: best way I can say it.

941
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: Think about wherever your grammar them.

942
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 5: May have gone to shop for Bras, right, And I

943
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 5: say that only because if you are going to Victoria's Secrets. Listen,

944
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: I love Vicky's for your Lord d aesthetic of it

945
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: five or twenty five. I'm sorry the five for twenty five.

946
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 5: That's my cham You're just trying to plaint me out

947
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: in high school.

948
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: Listen. You can do that with underwear.

949
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 5: With bras, you need to be fitted properly and so right,

950
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 5: there's an aesthetic piece, great, but you also need to understand,

951
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 5: as women, breasts come in different shapes, different sizes, where

952
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 5: you are holding the mass of your breast, right, whether

953
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 5: it's lower, whether it's a full or bust, all of

954
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 5: those things matter, and the type of bra that you

955
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 5: wear matters in terms of the actual cut.

956
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: Right.

957
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 5: So just like jeans, right, different genes fit different parts

958
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 5: of the body of all of that.

959
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: Same thing with bras.

960
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: Right there, I am a forty h I can't wear

961
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 5: a Demi cup bra, right, I am just going to

962
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 5: spill out of it. That's not going to hold me properly.

963
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 5: But I can do a balconet, which is going to

964
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 5: give me the same look as a Demi cup bra. Right,

965
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 5: and I'll sit higher understanding all of those pieces getting fitted,

966
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 5: you really need to go to a specialty place to

967
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 5: get fitted right and get fitted properly. Some places like

968
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 5: Nordstromrac not Nochrimrac, Nordstrums right your dark apartment stores, Macy's

969
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 5: and so forth, Bloomingdale's, they do have people that fit.

970
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 5: Some of them are great, some of them are not.

971
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 5: What I will tell you is that you get your

972
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 5: most support around your band right. So your band should

973
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: You should start at the last loop, so where you're

974
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 5: where the bra strap ends right should be where you start.

975
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 5: And then you work your way in right so that

976
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 5: as you wear your bra over time, it is right.

977
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 5: The rubber in it, the elastic in it starts to

978
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 5: wear it down, you make it tighter right. So you

979
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 5: should never start on the inside one. You should always

980
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 5: start on the outside loops and work your way in.

981
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 5: That being said, you should never be able to pull

982
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 5: your bra too far away from your body, like you

983
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 5: should be able to slip your hand under your bra

984
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 5: right for your band for the support, and then right

985
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 5: then your shoulder straps come second.

986
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: Right.

987
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 5: So it's where people are like, oh, it's digging into

988
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 5: my shoulders. It's because you're not getting the support that you

989
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 5: need around around your around your chest, right around the

990
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 5: actual bust and you're trying to use the shoulder support

991
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 5: and that's supposed to be secondary.

992
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: Right.

993
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: The other thing is is that what's called the gore

994
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 5: at the very front if you are wearing an underwire bra,

995
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 5: the gore of the bra is the very front of

996
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 5: the bra where the two wires meet right on left

997
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 5: and right. That should sit flat against your chest. Right,

998
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 5: the uniboob, the double boob, all of that should not happen.

999
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 5: I don't care what size you are, right because where

1000
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 5: women tell me, well, I'm I'm an E or I'm

1001
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 5: a jay, I'm an H.

1002
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: I know what that means.

1003
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 5: I still can fit my fist in the middle of

1004
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 5: my chest when I wear a bra. Right, I had

1005
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 5: that separation, I had that lift. Your breast should sit

1006
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 5: really halfway through where your arm is right should be

1007
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 5: the peak of your breast, and that's where they should sit. Now,

1008
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 5: there are some women who, like I said, different women,

1009
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 5: different bodies, different breasts, sit a little bit lower, and

1010
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 5: that happens right there as some people who sit a

1011
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 5: little bit wider, some people who are a little bit

1012
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 5: closer together. All of those come into play in terms

1013
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 5: of the types of brands that work for different body

1014
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 5: shapes or different breast shapes, I should say, right, So

1015
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 5: it's also being mindful of that as well. Right, we

1016
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 5: all love Vicki's because it's cute and sexy. Is it

1017
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 5: going to give you the proper support? Not really unless

1018
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 5: you're a smaller cup, right, but if you're anything out

1019
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 5: there in so long. And here's the other thing about

1020
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 5: there's so many better brands now, which is exciting, Like,

1021
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 5: there's so many better brands, and I feel like also

1022
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 5: the best thing about being a zoom worker now is

1023
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 5: I really don't have to wear right now camera is

1024
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 5: situated just below.

1025
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: It feels weird for me to be hanging loose. So

1026
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: I like to wear like I like a sports brad,

1027
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: like just around the house.

1028
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: And here's the other thing I'll say, to lose ten pounds,

1029
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 5: gain ten pounds, get refitted like no matter what, right,

1030
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 5: because how you carry your weight will also change.

1031
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 4: Well, this has been enlightening. I feel like you could

1032
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 4: write a book just on bras alone. But where can

1033
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: people find you if they want to work with you

1034
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: or they want to follow your work or just get

1035
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: to know you and start, you know, exploring their style.

1036
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, you can find me on social media honor

1037
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 5: your Style, and then my website is also on your

1038
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 5: style dot com. And I am actually doing a course

1039
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 5: over the next April and May on talking about style

1040
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 5: and what that looks like for individuals, understanding how they

1041
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: understand their colors, their body shape, how to dress for

1042
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 5: their body shape right, and for their lifestyle.

1043
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: I love it, all right, Kendra, thank you so so

1044
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: so so much. If you need any models for any

1045
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: future you know, consulting or whatever, let us know. I

1046
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 4: probably will text you to remind me what my what

1047
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 4: my shades are bright and warm or whatever it was.

1048
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 4: But it's been so fun having you on. All right,

1049
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 4: thank you ladies.

1050
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: I appreciate here.

1051
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 5: Remember always honor your style, Honor you.

1052
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: Thank you who was the tag one?

1053
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: And Dan? I love that