Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.
Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick.
Speaker 2: And today on Weird House Cinema, we returned to one
Speaker 2: of our favorite subgenres, a good old fashioned squatch movie.
Speaker 2: It's been a while, though. The last time we discussed
Speaker 2: a Bigfoot or Sasquatch film was Boggy Creek two back
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, so we're long overdue for a little
Speaker 2: Sasquatch action. We're gonna be discussing nineteen eighty eight's Demon Warp,
Speaker 2: which absolutely does feature a Sasquatch on the rampage in
Speaker 2: southern California, but with some delirious added twists and turns
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Is the Sasquatch movie one of our favorite subgenres.
Speaker 2: I feel like it is for me.
Speaker 3: I think it is in theory, if not in practice.
Speaker 2: It is definitely one of those where if someone asked
Speaker 2: me on the street, hey, you like Bigfoot movies? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love Bigfoot movies. And then if they were to
Speaker 2: challenge me and say give me your top five, I
Speaker 2: might be able to give you a top two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Boggy Creek. It's pretty gross, But I
Speaker 3: do kind of love A Night of the Demon, and
Speaker 3: I have fond memories of Shriek and the Mutilated, but
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it in a while. But we were
Speaker 3: discussing off Mike that a lot of sasquatch movies are
Speaker 3: just nastier than you remember or than you would expect
Speaker 3: them to be. Like, it seems like it would almost
Speaker 3: seem to be a relatively wholesome subgenre of horror. But yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of squatch movies are just gross, dude.
Speaker 2: As we've discussed on the show before, at least back
Speaker 2: in the Boggy Creek days, back in twenty twenty, you
Speaker 2: basically have two sorts of cinematic squatch movies. You have
Speaker 2: films about the savage squatch, and you have films about
Speaker 2: the noble squatch. One kills you, one teaches you. One
Speaker 2: is a terrorizing beast, the other is a wise man
Speaker 2: of the One connects with our own inner and outer savagery,
Speaker 2: our fear of the wilds. The other represents our high
Speaker 2: regard for the holy mystery of nature and our attitudes
Speaker 2: concerning the encroachment of the modern world on the natural world,
Speaker 2: and obviously these two can overlap or one can turn
Speaker 2: out to be the other. But it's interesting to reflect
Speaker 2: on these because I do think that by and large,
Speaker 2: most films are going to fall into one category or
Speaker 2: the other, like Harry and the Henderson's Noble Squatch obviously
Speaker 2: Boggy Creek two definitely a noble squatch film, and today
Speaker 2: we're going to balance the scales with a savage squatch film,
Speaker 2: which is also probably interesting to think about because I
Speaker 2: feel like in the contemporary zeitgeist, in a world speaking
Speaker 2: of at least of the US here in the United States,
Speaker 2: that seems to be more and more obsessed with Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: with sasquatch. I see it, you see it, I'm bumper stickers.
Speaker 2: You see more roadside attractions kind of these kinds of
Speaker 2: cryptids than ever before. Cutes the appreciation, cutes the appreciation,
Speaker 2: and I think maybe a little a little woo woo
Speaker 2: kind of almost you know, occultist sensibility kind of. I
Speaker 2: think very much the idea of the noble squatch being
Speaker 2: the main focus, the idea that on some level I'm
Speaker 2: connecting with some sort of a holy spirit of the wild,
Speaker 2: not a savage monster that wants to beat down my
Speaker 2: door and kill a family member.
Speaker 3: This was very much my experience. Did I tell you
Speaker 3: about the experience that we had at the Bigfoot Museum
Speaker 3: in North Georgia where we overheard a woman there giving
Speaker 3: a report to the curator at the museum about her
Speaker 3: own encounter. It was very much in the noble squatch zone.
Speaker 3: She was talking about how in woods near where she lived.
Speaker 3: I don't want to give away any identifying detail, but
Speaker 3: I remember part of the story was that she was
Speaker 3: upset because there were local teenagers, hooligan's whoever, who had
Speaker 3: been riding a TV through his woods and that's his
Speaker 3: sacred place and they were disrespecting it.
Speaker 2: I mean, really, it seems troubled hacan ideas here, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: Forest Guardian, Yeah, so yeah, it's it's interesting to take
Speaker 2: that and then can consider a film like nineteen eighties
Speaker 2: Night of the Demon, which is another Southern California savage
Speaker 2: squatch film, but like you said, a much nastier one.
Speaker 2: Demon War by comparison, is pretty tame, though still features
Speaker 2: a lot of slasher movie violence and also at least
Speaker 2: top only slasher movie nudity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you're saying it is kind of
Speaker 3: weird to think about this as a less nasty film
Speaker 3: because it still has a lot of It has a
Speaker 3: lot of violence and gore effects, but it's certainly less
Speaker 3: nasty than the Sasquatch films, which classify Bigfoot as like
Speaker 3: a sex criminal of the woods, which is the that's
Speaker 3: always kind of a bummer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's none of that in Demon Warp. Our Squatch
Speaker 2: is savage, but he has a has a different agenda
Speaker 2: in mind.
Speaker 3: Now, there's another thing we should flag at the beginning,
Speaker 3: about a way to forget what this is called. Not
Speaker 3: Knight of the Demon, this is Demon Warp. Two different
Speaker 3: war Demon Squatch, Demon Warp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one word, by the way, Demon Warp.
Speaker 3: Interrogate the title later. But one thing I like about
Speaker 3: Demon Warp is that I detect in it a failure
Speaker 3: that I myself am prone to in creative work, which
Speaker 3: is a failure to narrow the scope of the project
Speaker 3: commensurate with the actual limitations on what can be achieved.
Speaker 3: Do you ever have this problem, Rob, Like you're writing
Speaker 3: a story and you just want to bring in too
Speaker 3: many things really for the amount of space or time
Speaker 3: you have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be because I think sometimes you have as inspiration,
Speaker 2: a kind of kaleidoscope flash of ideas, and then once
Speaker 2: you try putting that on paper or whatever your medium
Speaker 2: might be, you might run into problems and realize, well,
Speaker 2: maybe this isn't the most economic thing. I can't fit
Speaker 2: all of it in. Yeah, and I do think there's
Speaker 2: something going on here, very similar with Demon Warp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to pick a subset of this, these
Speaker 3: things and focus on them. But Demon Warp says, no,
Speaker 3: I reject that. I will do it all, and I
Speaker 3: won't necessarily do it all in a way that's very
Speaker 3: developed or thought through, but I'm going to do it
Speaker 3: all in some way or another, and I admire the
Speaker 3: audacity there. So spoiler's incoming this episode we are going
Speaker 3: to The movie does have major twists and surprises in it,
Speaker 3: and we're about to spoil them. So warning, if you
Speaker 3: want to go into the movie without knowing anything, you
Speaker 3: should stop here go check it out. But you might assume,
Speaker 3: based on the marketing for the film that this is
Speaker 3: just another bigfoot horror movie, but the Bigfoot angle is
Speaker 3: really only about sixty percent of the film. This is
Speaker 3: also surprisingly to varying degrees. I took some notes here.
Speaker 3: It's an alien invasion movie. It is a zombie movie,
Speaker 3: like a shambling undead film. It is sort of a
Speaker 3: slasher movie. It is a mind control body possession movie.
Speaker 3: It is a religious cult thriller with human sacrifice. It
Speaker 3: is a creature effects showcase. And it is a vehicle
Speaker 3: on which to deliver a huge amount of narratively implausible nudity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's all right. And then at
Speaker 2: the same time, nobody's gonna leave this picture saying, man,
Speaker 2: I thought this was a sad squatch movie, which there
Speaker 2: is more squatch. There's a line of squatch. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't delay it.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 3: They don't make you wait to the end to see it.
Speaker 3: And they don't they're not shy about squatch, like hiding
Speaker 3: in behind trees and stuff. You see full squatch in
Speaker 3: like the second scene where he appears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the squatch looks great. We see a lot of it.
Speaker 2: This I think is going to tie into its effects
Speaker 2: world origins, and most of the films them just broad daylight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like we've seen this before with other Southern California rural
Speaker 2: horror sci fi films. They all seem to be filmed
Speaker 2: around two pm, maybe one pm in the afternoon, you know,
Speaker 2: where I'm less concerned about the otherworldly dangers at play,
Speaker 2: and I'm more concerned if everyone's getting enough water to drink,
Speaker 2: because it looks kind of hot, dry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very familiar looking woods. If you've watched low
Speaker 3: budget movies before, you feel like, I've seen these woods.
Speaker 3: I've seen this road.
Speaker 2: I've seen this cave. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wasn't this in a two thousand and four made for
Speaker 3: the Sci Fi Channel movie I watched? Yep, it was
Speaker 3: probably in five or six of those.
Speaker 2: I would assume sometimes these these B movie sci fi
Speaker 2: productions just run into each other in these woods, you know,
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, this is a different monster from
Speaker 2: a different film. Well keep rolling anyway.
Speaker 3: So, despite the fact that I think it only loosely
Speaker 3: relates to the plot, it sort of does. But I
Speaker 3: don't know you can render a judgment on it in
Speaker 3: a moment. I think the kitchen sink energy of Demon
Speaker 3: Warp is pretty well captured in the tagline from a
Speaker 3: vintage poster that you sent me, or maybe not poster.
Speaker 3: I think this may have actually been VHS box art.
Speaker 2: Yeah, The theatrical poster is really good. We'll come back
Speaker 2: to that in a minute. But the VHS box art
Speaker 2: is pretty pretty goofy.
Speaker 3: So here's the text on it. It says somewhere between
Speaker 3: light and shadow, ancient fear, future shock, the living and
Speaker 3: the undead lies the realm of Demon Warp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean mentioning future shock in there. It's very
Speaker 2: little future in this movie, but it does. You are right,
Speaker 2: This does capture a sense of what's going on here.
Speaker 3: Also, why are there tombstones on this Do you see
Speaker 3: the tombstones? Is there a braveyard in the movie?
Speaker 2: No, no, but but there, Yeah, it sure is on
Speaker 2: this box art. Why is George Kennedy's head floating like
Speaker 2: a glowing like sun sphere in the middle of the poster.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It would suggest he is like Clarence the Angel in
Speaker 3: this movie, a heavenly being looking down on the proceedings below.
Speaker 3: It's the poster makes it look like it's going to
Speaker 3: be about a reptile man who attacks a cemetery full
Speaker 3: of zombies, while George Kennedy the Angel is the heavenly
Speaker 3: guardian of teen Wolf.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, they try to do a lot
Speaker 2: of things in Demon Warp. But you know, that's why
Speaker 2: we're talking about it because it is a it is
Speaker 2: a huge swing, and it's a miss in many ways.
Speaker 2: But oh man, the energy, the audacity.
Speaker 3: As you said, now, I know you wanted to come
Speaker 3: back to the title demon Warp. Are you where how
Speaker 3: they got there? Where that name came from.
Speaker 2: They might have touched on it in like some part
Speaker 2: of the commentary track that I didn't listen to, but
Speaker 2: my guess is that they allude to this being demon
Speaker 2: Wood or demon Woods, I believe, And it sounds to
Speaker 2: me like someone was like, let's call it demon Woods,
Speaker 2: and they were like, no, demon Warp. We want to
Speaker 2: get that sci fi element into the title.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if it could be that the warp
Speaker 3: refers to the way, again spoilers for the ending, how
Speaker 3: human bodies are in fact being warped by alien technology
Speaker 3: to become bigfoot bodies.
Speaker 2: I think that's as good as we're going to get. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think that works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, that leads right into if I had to
Speaker 3: do an elevator pitch for the movie or a little tagline,
Speaker 3: it's got to be Invasion of the body Squatchers.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. I can't beat that, all right. Well,
Speaker 2: at this point you might be wondering, hey, where can
Speaker 2: I watch this fascinating sounding picture? Where can I watch
Speaker 2: Demon Warp? One word? Well, it was very recently released
Speaker 2: on Blu Ray by Vinegar Syndrome with a whole load
Speaker 2: of extras, newly scanned and restored in four K from
Speaker 2: its thirty five milimeter original camer net negative. I rented
Speaker 2: this one from Atlanta's own video drome. Here's my rental disc,
Speaker 2: and Joe, I believe you pick you pick up a
Speaker 2: copy of this one, right? I did.
Speaker 3: It took a while to arrive, and so I didn't
Speaker 3: the first time I tried to watch the movie. We
Speaker 3: were going to record it this past Monday, and over
Speaker 3: the weekend, I'm waiting for my disc to come in
Speaker 3: and it's not coming in. The delivery date just keeps
Speaker 3: getting pushed back, and I'm like, where is my Squatch movie?
Speaker 3: I've got to watch this. So I was aware that
Speaker 3: there's a YouTube rip out there, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I'll just have to watch that, you know, to get
Speaker 3: through so we can record the movie. But folks, this
Speaker 3: is one of the lowest res YouTube rips i've ever seen.
Speaker 3: The pixels were gargantuan, and so I did. For example,
Speaker 3: in the opening scene, there is a spaceship, an alien
Speaker 3: spaceship that crashes on Earth, and in the scene where
Speaker 3: a character is approaching it, I did not realize it
Speaker 3: was a spaceship because it just looks like a boulder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're missing vital detail here, not just like
Speaker 2: I wish I could see that that monster mask in
Speaker 2: a little more detail, right.
Speaker 3: Not just like that, like you are unable to tell
Speaker 3: who's talking or whatever, because because the rip is so.
Speaker 2: Bad, I think for a long time, even if you
Speaker 2: had access to VHS or something, I think that the
Speaker 2: copies of Demon Warp were just not that good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyway, so this was I was afraid I
Speaker 3: was going to have to go with this very low
Speaker 3: quality version, but we put off recording folks. We delayed
Speaker 3: it just so that I could get the disc and
Speaker 3: watch it as it's meant to be seen. So I
Speaker 3: watched it in four K, and it's gorgeous. It's a excellent, gorgeous,
Speaker 3: cheaply made but still beautiful today.
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's get into the folks behind this picture,
Speaker 2: starting with the director. It's directed by Emmitt Alston. I'm
Speaker 2: not really sure how old this guy is, but I
Speaker 2: think he's still with us based on his participation in
Speaker 2: the extras for the film. American director perhaps best remembered,
Speaker 2: or at least up until now, for the nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: slasher New Year's Evil. It's like a New Year's ev
Speaker 2: horror movie. So you know, you've got to take note
Speaker 2: of all the different holidays that are covered. Outside of
Speaker 2: Demon War, most of his remaining credits are just Eighties
Speaker 2: action schlock. So there's eighty seven's Tiger Shark. There's the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five ninja film Nine Deaths of the Ninja,
Speaker 2: but it does have a show Kasugi in it. Then
Speaker 2: he also did eighty eight Fours of the Ninja. No
Speaker 2: Kasugi in that one, and then ninety three's Little Ninja's
Speaker 2: also no Kasugi.
Speaker 3: Wait Little Ninja. Oh no wait, I'm thinking of Three Ninjas.
Speaker 3: He didn't do Three Ninjas.
Speaker 2: No no, there are a few other like kid based
Speaker 2: ninja films that have nothing to do with this particular picture. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: Like I say, I think most people are going to
Speaker 2: know him for Demon War or New Year's Evil.
Speaker 3: Now, Rob, I wonder if you agree with me here.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was just a cinematic as
Speaker 3: cibo effect because I knew the name we're about to
Speaker 3: discuss was associated with this film, But I could not
Speaker 3: help but keep feeling some shared DNA between this movie
Speaker 3: and a couple of other movies we've watched, one of
Speaker 3: which is Friday the Thirteenth, Part seven, the one with
Speaker 3: the psychic girl in it, and another is The Dungeon Master,
Speaker 3: the sort of Charles Band his own film we saw
Speaker 3: that was that turned out to be an anthology film
Speaker 3: that was basically a creature effects workshop showcase. And both
Speaker 3: of those movies are associated with a guy named John Carl.
Speaker 3: I think his name is pronounced bee Cler. It looks
Speaker 3: like it's spelled buler b u e c h l
Speaker 3: e R. Did you get that same feeling, feel that
Speaker 3: that energy coursing through it?
Speaker 2: Yes, especially with the creature designs, because in the ultimate
Speaker 2: picture here he has a story credit and he built
Speaker 2: the creatures, And if you've seen enough of Beekler's work,
Speaker 2: you can kind of recognize there's something about it. I
Speaker 2: don't know, you can almost see him in the monster designs,
Speaker 2: you know, a distinctive monster design style. And I can
Speaker 2: also see these other connections for drawing here on here.
Speaker 2: But then again, I like, you went into it knowing
Speaker 2: that his DNA would be in there somewhere.
Speaker 3: Right, Like I said, I knew as well. So I
Speaker 3: maybe I'm not as perceptive as I think I am,
Speaker 3: but I felt like I could detect it, not just
Speaker 3: in the very distinctive puppet design, like the alien we
Speaker 3: get to at the end of this movie is just
Speaker 3: pure this guy, but like it looks like the creature
Speaker 3: that he created for the Dungeon Master. But it's not
Speaker 3: just that. It's something about the story structure too. Feels
Speaker 3: like Friday Part seven, the way that about a third
Speaker 3: of the way through the movie, certain random characters that
Speaker 3: have not been mentioned before just show up one during
Speaker 3: in the woods to increase the body count, almost like
Speaker 3: a third of the way through the script anxiety of like, ooh,
Speaker 3: we need to get some more people in here, so
Speaker 3: here are some campers. Yeah that it just feels like him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think that's spot on. Yeah. John
Speaker 2: Carl Biechler, who lived nineteen fifty two through twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: he was a practical special effects and makeup really legend
Speaker 2: did a lot of great work. He's come up on
Speaker 2: the show before because he did special effects on eighty
Speaker 2: six's The Eliminators as well as Terror Vision from the
Speaker 2: same year, eighty nine's Arena. Yeah, something about I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'd really have to like look at the specific character designs,
Speaker 2: but there's something about, like the way the skulls are shaped,
Speaker 2: the kind of monsters he drew and then created in
Speaker 2: three D.
Speaker 3: He's got a little goblin heart. It's just the goblininesses
Speaker 3: coming through and everything. Even in the bigger beings, they
Speaker 3: have some inherent little kind of gobliny critics to them.
Speaker 2: M yeah, yeah, absolutely. His effects work include such cult
Speaker 2: favorites as re Animator, Tammy and the t Rex and Goolies.
Speaker 2: We mentioned him in our episode on Dungeon Master because
Speaker 2: I believe he directed one of the segments on there, yeah,
Speaker 2: or the wrap around material, so he did some directing
Speaker 2: on it, and then he also helmed the likes of
Speaker 2: eighty six's Troll, eighty seven's Cellar Dweller, eighty eight's Friday
Speaker 2: the Thirteenth Part seven, The New Blood. You mentioned it already,
Speaker 2: but you know, arguably one of the best Fridays and
Speaker 2: terrific Jason makeup in that one. Agreed. He also directed
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties Gooleies Three Goolies Go to College that has
Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy in it. I believe he plays a professor.
Speaker 3: I did just want to briefly say I agree that
Speaker 3: Friday Part seven has the most enjoyable makeup effects of
Speaker 3: the series. I think it has the best undead Jason design,
Speaker 3: and it also just has some innerting human villains. Like
Speaker 3: it's not a well written movie, but somehow, despite being
Speaker 3: poorly written, it has great writing elements, like its villains
Speaker 3: are just so like it's got this evil psychiatrist character
Speaker 3: played by Terry Kaiser who's hilarious, and it's just a
Speaker 3: it's a fun ride.
Speaker 2: So on this one, Beekler has the story credit and
Speaker 2: apparently wrote an initial screenplay and originally intended to direct
Speaker 2: it himself. But you know, clearly we're mentioning these are
Speaker 2: key years for Beekler, and you know he was probably
Speaker 2: working on one of these other projects at the time
Speaker 2: and those took off, this one got left behind. But
Speaker 2: there was already like money tied up in the project.
Speaker 2: There were already you know, some sort of production put together,
Speaker 2: so other folks came on. We'll get to those of
Speaker 2: them in just a second. You know, additional rewrites of
Speaker 2: the screenplay and his his monsters designs also remained in
Speaker 2: the film, and some of these effects and costumes that
Speaker 2: he'd already worked on. Apparently there was also some sort
Speaker 2: of like an Aztec mummy and maybe a tentacle monster
Speaker 2: based This is based on some of the interviews and
Speaker 2: extras on the Vinegar Syndrome disc that were not used
Speaker 2: in the final picture. But we definitely get the sasquatch
Speaker 2: and the alien creature from the end of the end
Speaker 2: of the film. Those are Beechler all the way. What
Speaker 2: about the zombies, I don't know that he did any
Speaker 2: of the zombie effects. The zombies look great too, but
Speaker 2: I think that's other effects folk that contributed to that.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I don't think those are Beeler.
Speaker 3: It's a bummer we didn't see the other things. I
Speaker 3: want to see that mummy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it was a mummy. It definitely
Speaker 2: they mean someone mentioned a tentacle monster. All right. Getting
Speaker 2: to the writers, Well, the main one. There are two
Speaker 2: gentlemen that are credited. There's Jim Burt Geese and then
Speaker 2: there's a guy by the name of Bruce Akayama. Bruce
Speaker 2: Akayama I think only has this one credit. Bert GE's
Speaker 2: his only other two writing credits are episodes of the
Speaker 2: animated series JC and Wield Warriors or JAC and the
Speaker 2: Wield Warriors and Challenge of the Gobots. I think these
Speaker 2: were like two different Transformers rip offs from around eighty five.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong in that. I don't want to
Speaker 2: mischaracterize mid eighties cartoons, but I think that's the case.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's interviewed on the Vinegar Syndrome disc and
Speaker 2: he talks about like basically, he and Bruce Akiyama were
Speaker 2: fanboys who jumped at the chance to work on a
Speaker 2: script like this, and you know, they had the task
Speaker 2: of taking this pre existing Beakler script and cleaning it up,
Speaker 2: believe it or not, making it a little more cohesive,
Speaker 2: like making characters show up for reasons when before they
Speaker 2: didn't have any reason to show up, and in general
Speaker 2: in general, getting it into shooting shape.
Speaker 3: This is a script where I feel like I can
Speaker 3: detect the different layers of revision or drafting in it,
Speaker 3: do you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like, there's one
Speaker 3: scene that seems to happen twice. Yeah, the scene where
Speaker 3: the characters meet George Kennedy's character has some very similar elements.
Speaker 3: It almost feels like it got moved and then edited,
Speaker 3: but they didn't take out the other one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things that it was really interesting
Speaker 2: in the Birche's interview is that he's talking about like
Speaker 2: just the physical labor of rewriting the script. And this
Speaker 2: is something so easy to take for granted. You and
Speaker 2: I have both done you know, screenplay scripting work before,
Speaker 2: and of course, you know, we have the glorious wonders
Speaker 2: of word process or technology, and word have dedicated programs
Speaker 2: for screenwriting. But back, like back in the day, you're
Speaker 2: doing it on the typewriter. So I don't know, I
Speaker 2: feel like I need to be even more gentle with
Speaker 2: folks who were writing these scripts, because, man, give me
Speaker 2: an old timey typewriter and ask me to write anything,
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to make a mess of myself.
Speaker 3: Have you ever tried to write anything on a typewriter though?
Speaker 2: When I was a kid? Yeah, Okay, I've.
Speaker 3: Never done anything very long, but I have experiments with
Speaker 3: the typewriter, and one thing I noticed that's interesting about
Speaker 3: it is it doesn't permit you to spend as much
Speaker 3: time fiddling and editing as you go, which.
Speaker 2: Can be a good thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You kind of have to commit to a sentence once
Speaker 3: you've written it, which is you know, or you can
Speaker 3: think like, well, if I'm not happy with that, I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna have to fix it later on the full rewrite.
Speaker 3: You can't waste as much time just getting bogged down
Speaker 3: doing the same paragraph over and over. And I like
Speaker 3: that in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a great point. Yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 2: get into the cast here, starting with the top billing.
Speaker 2: The biggest star here, the only Oscar winner in the cast,
Speaker 2: and that is George Kennedy, who plays Bill Crafton.
Speaker 3: There are two sides of the George Kennedy we get here.
Speaker 3: On one hand, you can tell that he's like, what
Speaker 3: the heck is this? What's going on? But on the
Speaker 3: other hand, he's not phoning it in. He's really he's
Speaker 3: a pro. He's like, Okay, I am Bill Crafton. I'm
Speaker 3: here because Squatch took my daughter and now you know,
Speaker 3: I haven't been dead against Squatch and that's what I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, He's he's solid here. I mean, you're not.
Speaker 2: This is no cool hand Luke the sixty seven film
Speaker 2: for which he Aaron you know, definitely earned his Oscar.
Speaker 2: But you know, Kennedy's great and just about anything, no
Speaker 2: matter how ridiculous it is. We previously talked about George
Speaker 2: Kennedy in our episode on The Uninvited, in which he
Speaker 2: plays one of the henchmen. Oh I forgot about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was pretty recent too, That was pretty recent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't you know, it wasn't a strong role.
Speaker 2: And you know, he's one of those guys, that big
Speaker 2: fella he could play and intimidating hnchman, but he could
Speaker 2: also play was probably better at playing good natured lugs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're more in the good natured lug category here
Speaker 2: as opposed to you know, just a pure heavy.
Speaker 3: Oh I just remembered. Yeah, he is one of the
Speaker 3: henchmen of Wall Street Walter, Yeah, Uninvited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Killer Cat movie. So yeah. Here, he's
Speaker 2: a father who lost his daughter to the savage Squatch
Speaker 2: demon Wood and his hell bent on revenge via a
Speaker 2: seemingly limitless arsenal of acme bear traps and dynamite.
Speaker 3: He comes with gear.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So go back and listen to our episode
Speaker 2: of The Uninvited for more about George Kennedy if you
Speaker 2: so desire. But yeah, he's He's been in a ton
Speaker 2: of He was in a ton of films over the
Speaker 2: course of his career, sometimes more comedic, but also he
Speaker 2: dabbled in horror a bit. And yeah he did, he did.
Speaker 2: He brings it here, you know. He said he was
Speaker 2: said to be a really nice guy in Seat Real Pro.
Speaker 2: And he also brought his own stuntman and yellow cap
Speaker 2: so that he could trade out the yellow cap with
Speaker 2: his stunt man. And apparently that was his idea. He's like,
Speaker 2: they're only going to be looking at the cap in
Speaker 2: the action. They're not going to notice as much that
Speaker 2: it's my stunt double.
Speaker 3: Wait, is the yellow cap in the script then?
Speaker 2: Or was that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: He brought that that was his thing.
Speaker 3: I felt like that was one of the best story
Speaker 3: details his character had. It was just his ad lived
Speaker 3: there because he later on he says, Oh, I wear
Speaker 3: this yellow hat because I want Squatch to see me.
Speaker 3: You know he wants to bring the fight to Squatch.
Speaker 2: It made me briefly go on a tangent where I
Speaker 2: was looking up images of George kennedyan films with hats on,
Speaker 2: and I was like, did he wear a funny hat
Speaker 2: in everything?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Was this just something he insisted on so that he
Speaker 2: felt like his stunt double would be more believable. But
Speaker 2: I don't know. I couldn't really figure that out, but
Speaker 2: I did see a lot of like he's wearing sombreros,
Speaker 2: he's wearing everything. Now, Kennedy apparently only agreed to do
Speaker 2: this film as long as they found a part for
Speaker 2: his daughter, Shannon. And we'll get to Shannon here in
Speaker 2: a bit, But you might expect that Shannon would play
Speaker 2: this character's daughter who gets killed by the Squatch, And
Speaker 2: like the first twenty minutes of the picture, now.
Speaker 3: The first twenty minute, the first five.
Speaker 2: Five minutes, Yeah, it happens really quickly, so you'd kind
Speaker 2: of expect her to be cast in that role. But
Speaker 2: that's not the case. Maybe they already had somebody lined up,
Speaker 2: and that that somebody was an actress by the name
Speaker 2: of Jill Marin. Find out anything about her. I believe
Speaker 2: this is her only credited role. She plays Julie Crafton.
Speaker 3: She's in the movie for like eighty five seconds and
Speaker 3: she yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don't really have much
Speaker 3: to say about her because she's so brief. It's one
Speaker 3: of these characters where they're setting her up when you
Speaker 3: first meet her, like, Okay, this is going to be
Speaker 3: our main character, and then she's just gone and then
Speaker 3: never comes back.
Speaker 2: All right, So those are the Craftons. But now let's
Speaker 2: get to this. Let's get to the who I think
Speaker 2: of as the gang. This is our main core group
Speaker 2: of young people, and they're also sort of amateur squatch investigators,
Speaker 2: or at least one of them is. And the restaurant
Speaker 2: along for the ride.
Speaker 3: Yes, one of them is a squatch investigator, and he
Speaker 3: is trying to trick the others into squatch investigating with
Speaker 3: him by luring them to the woods on the promise
Speaker 3: of a holiday. Yeah, and that's a cruel trick to
Speaker 3: play in your friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But this character that are sort of our lead
Speaker 2: male character here is Jack and he is played by
Speaker 2: David Michael O'Neill. Not sure how old this particular actor is,
Speaker 2: but American actor active from about eighty five through twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: It seems like kind of looks like a young Kurt
Speaker 2: Russell here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. Reminds me
Speaker 3: a bit of Kurt Russell. Not with the same level
Speaker 3: of charm or charisma, but he looks a lot like Kurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah. His acting style in this seems to go from
Speaker 2: like normal, like handsome dude in a slasher or slasher
Speaker 2: adjacent picture, to like almost kind of like psycho action mode,
Speaker 2: like unhinged action hero character.
Speaker 3: I have a comment about our main five young characters
Speaker 3: later when we get to the plot section, I'll talk
Speaker 3: about it, Okay. The gist is that all five of them,
Speaker 3: basically and especially like three of them, are very inconsistently characterized,
Speaker 3: so they're kind of hard to describe as characters because
Speaker 3: they change from scene to scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again we can attribute a lot of this
Speaker 2: to the fact that clearly this was a monster's first design. Here.
Speaker 2: You know, this film originates with the monsters. Humans were
Speaker 2: added because humans are apparently necessary for pictures like this,
Speaker 2: and maybe and it might be a shame that you
Speaker 2: have to have the humans and in such a movie.
Speaker 3: Now that would be ambitious thinking about doing it the
Speaker 3: other way. You could do an alien zombie squatch movie,
Speaker 3: but it's just those things. So it's like aliens are
Speaker 3: in the woods hunting for squatch and they encounter zombies.
Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, somebody ride it all right? Well,
Speaker 2: David Michael O'Neill here he got into writing and directing
Speaker 2: in the nineties. He directed and co wrote a nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine film titled Five Aces, and that one starred
Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen and Christopher MacDonald. Yeah. We'll come back to
Speaker 2: more about this performance later, but this is our protagonist.
Speaker 2: This is our hero, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Now playing
Speaker 2: his girlfriend Carrie is Pamela Gilbert. So Pamela Gilbert was
Speaker 2: coming off of the Troma film Lust for Freedom from
Speaker 2: eighty seven, as well as a pair of Fred Olin
Speaker 2: ray films from the same year, Cyclone, which I think
Speaker 2: is a motorbike film and Evil Spawn, which I believe
Speaker 2: is aliens of one sort or another, as well as
Speaker 2: some earlier modeling work and so forth. She'd retire from
Speaker 2: acting the year after Demon Warp. Gilbert went on to
Speaker 2: have an accomplished career ongoing career as an English professor,
Speaker 2: author and expert in nineteenth century British literature in the
Speaker 2: history of the body and medicine. She has several books
Speaker 2: out and was looking at somebody's that look quite interesting.
Speaker 2: They include twenty nineteen's Victorian Skin Surface Self History. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought that was that's a cool transition, going from
Speaker 3: the Bigfoot movies to the literary journals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. All right, let's talk about the rest
Speaker 2: of the gang here. We also have a character Tom,
Speaker 2: and it's confusing because, especially early on, Tom looks a
Speaker 2: whole lot like Jack and I had trouble telling them apart.
Speaker 2: But Tom is played by Billy Jane born nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Child actor turned teen actor turned well grown up actor,
Speaker 2: director and producer. As a kid, best remembered for roles
Speaker 2: on TV, including twenty six episodes of the Bad News
Speaker 2: Bears series and later as a supporting character on the
Speaker 2: series Silver Spoons. He also did an episode of Tales
Speaker 2: from the Dark Side, and in his film credits he
Speaker 2: played he was in a film we proved. No, we've
Speaker 2: never talked about this. This is a particular film on
Speaker 2: Weird House. I'm sorry, we talked about the second Beast
Speaker 2: Master movie. But this guy as a kid was in
Speaker 2: eighty two's The beast Master playing the young Dar, so
Speaker 2: that our young beast Master in flashback?
Speaker 3: Okay, are we gonna have to go back and do
Speaker 3: beast Master one even though we've already done two.
Speaker 2: We should? We probably should. It's so much fun. You know,
Speaker 2: you got ripped torn as the villain. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite.
Speaker 3: Wait oh it was wings Hauser and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wings Hauser in the sequel. The sequel's great too,
Speaker 2: but the sequel's decidedly stupider. Yeah, and a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: But anyway, So this guy played Dar in eighty two
Speaker 2: as the beast Master. He was also in eighty three's
Speaker 2: Kujo as a child actor, and he's in the eighty
Speaker 2: five teen comedy and very loose Twelfth Night adaptation Just
Speaker 2: one of the Guys, which I vaguely remember watching as
Speaker 2: a young person, and I remember liking it back in
Speaker 2: the day. I do not know how it holds up.
Speaker 2: His other credits include eighty one's Bloody Birthday and Hospital Massacre,
Speaker 2: eighty two's Superstition, and eighty nine's Doctor Alien. He remained
Speaker 2: active as an actor and directed multiple music videos, including
Speaker 2: various Buck Cherry music videos.
Speaker 3: It seems, Oh, did he do the one for I
Speaker 3: Love the Cocaine.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but we had we had a buck
Speaker 2: Cherry connection in Gargoyles, like one of the band Memory
Speaker 2: Fathers was in Gargoyles, So I don't know I had.
Speaker 2: I don't know much about buck Cherry, but I think
Speaker 2: they're Anaheim bass so maybe they were just like various
Speaker 2: connections to the Internet entertainment industry there. And then I
Speaker 2: dug a little deeper and I saw that their bass
Speaker 2: player is a huge Sasquatch enthusiast. So I don't know
Speaker 2: the conspiracy widens.
Speaker 3: How did you find? Were you just googling the band
Speaker 3: members plus Sasquatch?
Speaker 2: I was, Yes, that's the that's the that's the professional
Speaker 2: research that I'm involved in. But I got a hit
Speaker 2: on it, so amazing, it works. I love it all right,
Speaker 2: So we're not done with the gang here. We also
Speaker 2: have Fred. Fred is played by Hank Stratton born nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty one. He's appeared in various TV shows between eighty
Speaker 2: seven and twenty eleven, including Perfect Strangers, mcguiver Saved by
Speaker 2: the Bell Murder. She wrote Fraser Silk stalkings, er and heroes.
Speaker 3: I'm just mad they didn't give this guy an ascot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have used one. It would have helped
Speaker 2: us differentiate more, all right. And then we also have
Speaker 2: Cindy played by Colleen McDermott born nineteen sixty five. She
Speaker 2: was coming off fourteen episodes of As the World Turns,
Speaker 2: and she'd go on to appear in episodes of Murder.
Speaker 2: She wrote Days of Our Lives, Dream on Charmed and
Speaker 2: CSI Miami.
Speaker 3: So those are our main five, but they're not the
Speaker 3: only characters who show up.
Speaker 2: That's right, because we're also going to get a couple
Speaker 2: of a couple of stoner babes who are have headed
Speaker 2: out into the woods to harvest some bud and maybe
Speaker 2: do a little sunbathing in demon woods. So the first
Speaker 2: of these is Betsy, and Betsy is played by certified
Speaker 2: b movie scream queen Michelle Bauer born nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 2: best known for her work in the films of Fred
Speaker 2: Olin Ray So she's in eighty eight's Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers,
Speaker 2: eighty seven Cyclone and also eighty seven is The Phantom Empire.
Speaker 2: She's also been in such pictures as eighty eight's Nightmare Sisters,
Speaker 2: ninety one's puppet Master three, as well as some notable
Speaker 2: weird deep cuts like eighty two's Cafe Flesh.
Speaker 3: So I don't think I had ever seen a movie
Speaker 3: with Michelle Bauer in it before, but she is a
Speaker 3: great screen presence and really funny, obviously has a great
Speaker 3: sense of humor. And I thought it was ironic because
Speaker 3: there's an interview on one of the Vinegar Syndrome discs
Speaker 3: with her where she talks about doing the movie, and
Speaker 3: she's explaining at the beginning of this interview that she
Speaker 3: had done some modeling and some live performances. I think
Speaker 3: she mentioned mud wrestling, yeah, wrestling, yeah yeah, And she
Speaker 3: says like, okay, so you know she'd done this stuff,
Speaker 3: but she didn't have any interest in being in movies
Speaker 3: because she thought of herself like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about acting, you know, I don't have any acting skills.
Speaker 3: But I think she's easily the best actor in the movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't I've never seen her in a
Speaker 3: dramatic role, so I couldn't comment either way on that,
Speaker 3: But just in terms of being a funny, entertaining screen presence,
Speaker 3: she's like the most charismatic person the film, and she's funny.
Speaker 3: I think even in scenes where the writing isn't itself
Speaker 3: all that funny, like she makes it work. Almost seems
Speaker 3: to be kind of riffing on the movie she's in
Speaker 3: in her scenes. One of the best examples is so
Speaker 3: she's like driving up into the mountains with her friend
Speaker 3: and they're supposed to be harvesting some cannabis from an
Speaker 3: illegal grow site. And they get there and there's nothing there.
Speaker 3: It's like all been taken. And then she just kind
Speaker 3: of like looks at the camera and they're up in
Speaker 3: the demon woods and she's like, well might as well tan,
Speaker 3: Like she's I don't know. It felt almost like an
Speaker 3: improvd line at the implausibility of the next scene, which
Speaker 3: you know they had to get to somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with the top coming up. Yeah, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: I think Michelle Bauer is great here and yeah easily
Speaker 2: has a natural charisma that works exceptionally well in a
Speaker 2: B movie like this. Now. Her friend that you mentioned,
Speaker 2: who were told his name, Kara, is played by Shannon Kennedy.
Speaker 2: This is George Kennedy's daughter and the reason he agreed
Speaker 2: to be in this film to begin with. I guess
Speaker 2: she just wanted to try her hand at acting, or
Speaker 2: to do a project with her dad. Even if it's
Speaker 2: a film where her head gets ripped off by a
Speaker 2: sasquatch while she's sunbathing, you know, it's still I guess
Speaker 2: kind of sweet that they're in the same picture here.
Speaker 2: I don't think she did any other films.
Speaker 3: Wanted to be in a movie. So I play a
Speaker 3: character who is looking for marijuana, fails to find it,
Speaker 3: and then gets head ripped off by sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. I mean, by this point in
Speaker 2: his career, George Kennedy probably seen it all anyway, so
Speaker 2: he didn't think twice about any of it. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, yeah, this is welcome to the Welcome
Speaker 2: to the movie industry, kid. Or maybe he wanted it
Speaker 2: to be a picture like this, like like, you don't
Speaker 2: want to be an entertainment, let me find a good
Speaker 2: one to agree for us, to agree to us to
Speaker 2: be in.
Speaker 3: I think she qualifies as the most eighties looking of
Speaker 3: the people in the movie. She's got a bit of
Speaker 3: a Cindy lawper thing going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, so far we've had we've got Kennedy.
Speaker 2: We've got a bunch of young people. We have a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: But you got to have a creep in here somewhere,
Speaker 2: and that's where our next actor comes in. This is
Speaker 2: John Durbin playing the Minister. I'm not sure how old
Speaker 2: John Durbin is. He's been around for a while and
Speaker 2: I think is still active. I see that he's attached
Speaker 2: to some sort of upcoming Eli Roth related picture. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a creepy, highly animated thin dude, and there's always
Speaker 2: a space for someone like that in genre pictures. Durbin
Speaker 2: had already been active on the screen in TV since
Speaker 2: eighty three. He'd played I think his film debut was
Speaker 2: playing Radio Corpse Number one in eighty five's Return of
Speaker 2: the Living Dead, So early zombie roll there for him.
Speaker 2: Subsequent credits included two episodes of TV's Max Headroom, nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine's Doctor Caligari, ninety one's doll Man, ninety four's
Speaker 2: witch Hunt That's the sequel to cast a Deadly Spell?
Speaker 2: Is Hopper in the lead, Yeah, TV's The Shining In
Speaker 2: ninety seven, and episodes of Star Trek's Next Generation Deep
Speaker 2: Space nine and Voyager, playing I think different different aliens
Speaker 2: in each one, because again, you're a thin dude that's
Speaker 2: very expressive. You're gonna be able to act through all
Speaker 2: the makeup that someone's going to put on you.
Speaker 3: In this movie, they make his teeth look gross, and
Speaker 3: he does a lot of like showing the gross teeth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this, this guy's all in. I would
Speaker 2: say Michelle Bauer and John Durban for the Acting Acting
Speaker 2: Honors for Demon Warp. They both give it, give it,
Speaker 2: they're all so he was.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember who he was in Max Headroom,
Speaker 3: which I've seen the first couple of episodes of.
Speaker 2: A minor character that I think I don't recall the
Speaker 2: character's name, but it's a play on Dracula. So you've
Speaker 2: seen Max Headroom episodes more recently than I have, So
Speaker 2: maybe that brings a bell.
Speaker 3: I've thought before that maybe we should do a weird
Speaker 3: house cinema the pilot of Max Headroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm all for it, all right, I will
Speaker 2: not you know, we love to give credit where credit
Speaker 2: is due for people in monster suits. I couldn't find
Speaker 2: there's no actual credit for whoever's playing the Sasquatch in
Speaker 2: one of the extras on the Vinegar Syndrome disc. I
Speaker 2: think it's mentioned that someone in production's boyfriend played the monster,
Speaker 2: but they are not, to my knowledge, actually credited all
Speaker 2: right special effects on this again. Beeckler did the original
Speaker 2: monster designs and some of the monster elements that are
Speaker 2: used in the picture in the end, but Mark Wolf
Speaker 2: is the special effects lead that's credited. He's credited with
Speaker 2: special effects work on such films as eighty six is
Speaker 2: Flight to the Navigator, eighty six is Friday the Thirteenth,
Speaker 2: Part six Jason Lives, eighty seven, Slave Girls from Beyond Infinity,
Speaker 2: and eighty seven's ish Tar, And then finally the score.
Speaker 2: It's another Dan Slider score. We previously mentioned Slider because
Speaker 2: he also scored the Killer Cat Movie Uninvited. I don't
Speaker 2: know what do you think about the music here, Joe.
Speaker 2: I found it forgettable but effective.
Speaker 3: Uh. I don't want to be mean, but I think
Speaker 3: this is one of the funnier musical scores I can recall.
Speaker 3: I actually I have a note about this, so maybe
Speaker 3: I'll just go ahead and mention it. I was trying
Speaker 3: to understand what it was that was making the music
Speaker 3: funny to me, and I think it's the contrast between
Speaker 3: the composition and the actual sound of it. The composition
Speaker 3: is incredibly unsubtle, so it's this heavy, dire, dramatic minor
Speaker 3: key music. Dun dun duh, you know, uh duh d
Speaker 3: d d and uh. So it's that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But the electronic instrument voicings that they use do not
Speaker 3: match the bigness of the music. They sound kind of
Speaker 3: thin and plinky. So to get the feeling I'm talking about,
Speaker 3: imagine the most dark, evil sounding music you can, like
Speaker 3: Night on Bald Mountain to do a callback to Demon Pond,
Speaker 3: but performed on a series of toy keyboards.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so we're pretty far away from Tamta
Speaker 2: on the score.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, no offense intended to slider, but yes, the
Speaker 3: music was given me a chuckle.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Should we talk about the plot.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, where could a Bigfoot movie begin but outer space?
Speaker 3: So we see the Earth, It's floating blue, looks very
Speaker 3: serene there in the void. And suddenly a little pink
Speaker 3: object zooms from off screen down into the Earth's atmosphere
Speaker 3: and it makes a whooshing sound. It comes down through
Speaker 3: the sky and next we cut to the surface and
Speaker 3: now we're down on the earth in the mountains of
Speaker 3: southern California.
Speaker 2: Yep. And we're gonna stay there. You're going to see
Speaker 2: a lot of this landscape.
Speaker 3: So this seems to be in the past. I guess
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be the eighteen hundreds sometime. And we
Speaker 3: see a priest or a minister wandering through the woods.
Speaker 3: I originally thought this guy was supposed to be like
Speaker 3: a Catholic padre, but you said he was credited as minister,
Speaker 3: so maybe they're thinking he's a Protestant minister.
Speaker 2: I don't know who knows what they're thinking, but he's
Speaker 2: a man of the cloth, seemingly, but as we'll see,
Speaker 2: like he's ultimately up for whatever. He's flexible, he's flexible,
Speaker 2: and he's worshiped. Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm just going to stick with thinking he's
Speaker 3: supposed to be a Catholic priest. Maybe that's wrong, but
Speaker 3: that's what I thought. So he's a priest leading a
Speaker 3: horse and he's reading aloud from what looks like a
Speaker 3: paperback Bible. He's reading. I looked up the passage he's
Speaker 3: reading from, and it is a correct quote of the Bible,
Speaker 3: unlike in the Prophecy. He's reading from Deuteronomy chapter twenty eight,
Speaker 3: and I was gonna originally read this part, but it's
Speaker 3: a bunch of grandiose threats of cong quoi an annihilation.
Speaker 3: The main thing I'm gonna mention, because I think it
Speaker 3: sort of gets referenced again at the end of the book,
Speaker 3: is the part of the quote he reads that says,
Speaker 3: and he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle and
Speaker 3: the fruit of thy land until thou be destroyed. And
Speaker 3: he shall also not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to try to tie this into
Speaker 3: aliens somehow. It's like, oh, this is not about a
Speaker 3: this is not about an ancient military conquest. It's about
Speaker 3: aliens coming to earth.
Speaker 2: He shall leave, not corn, not wine, not who hash. Yes.
Speaker 3: So later we see this same priest slinking around in
Speaker 3: the mountains singing Amazing Grace, and it actually kind of
Speaker 3: made me wonder, like, how popular would that song have
Speaker 3: been with the Catholic clergy in the year this is
Speaker 3: supposed to be set. I don't know, But again this
Speaker 3: is mixed up because maybe it's not actually supposed to
Speaker 3: be a Catholic priest.
Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe he only sings it when he's out
Speaker 2: alone in the wilderness like this.
Speaker 3: It did make me think of an alternate version where
Speaker 3: you know, they're just thinking on the set, like, what's
Speaker 3: a religious song we can have him doing, And they
Speaker 3: got the padre singing Our God is an awesome god.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: So he's out there singing with his horse, and out
Speaker 3: of nowhere a massive object crashes down from the sky
Speaker 3: and it lands in a ravine up ahead, and then
Speaker 3: we get a long shot of the priest approaching the object,
Speaker 3: which is some kind of gray metal ball or disc
Speaker 3: encased inside this partial crust of rock. And this is
Speaker 3: the part I mentioned earlier that on the very pixelated
Speaker 3: version I was watching I did not realize this was
Speaker 3: supposed to be the thing that fell from the sky.
Speaker 3: It just looks like he's going to a boulder. But actually,
Speaker 3: once you can see the effect, this is not a
Speaker 3: bad looking mad or whatever.
Speaker 2: This is. Yeah, yeah, it looks pretty cool. There's a
Speaker 2: breakdown on the Vinegar Syndrome disc about how they did this.
Speaker 2: It's like a perspective model shot with the model and
Speaker 2: the foreground. Oh yeah, a little bit of cool movie
Speaker 2: magic here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, looks good. So the priest approaches the site.
Speaker 3: He's got a crucifix around his neck and he raises
Speaker 3: it up and he holds it out in front of
Speaker 3: his face and he mutters, it was a fire. It's
Speaker 3: the Second Coming, It's the Lord come down to Earth,
Speaker 3: and then we cut to the credits. With the credits,
Speaker 3: are you know they play over panning shots through the
Speaker 3: woods while that funny music plays, and then oh, I
Speaker 3: didn't mention this earlier, but for some reason, in the
Speaker 3: middle of the credits, at one point, there's this big
Speaker 3: pitch bend or warp in the music, like it's being
Speaker 3: played on a tape, and suddenly the tape gets stretched
Speaker 3: or sped up, and I was wondering, could this be
Speaker 3: an intentional nod to the demon warp? It must be so,
Speaker 3: So after the credits we get an establishing shot of
Speaker 3: a cabin, which will be the central location for the
Speaker 3: first third of the movie. I'd say, don't look too
Speaker 3: close at this cabin, because if you do, it starts
Speaker 3: to seem less remote and cabiny than I think the
Speaker 3: movie intends.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 3: The more I was looking at it, I was like,
Speaker 3: I think that's a paved road running behind it. It
Speaker 3: looks like it's got all the utilities, and I.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, we're supposed to be just in the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere here, right.
Speaker 3: So we cut inside the cabin and we meet Bill
Speaker 3: Crafton played by George Kennedy and his adult daughter Julie
Speaker 3: played by Jill Marin, and they're sitting on the floor
Speaker 3: playing trivial pursuit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big Bill is really slamming those pieces, like the
Speaker 2: little pie slices or is flying out.
Speaker 3: So he has to answer a trivia question. I wonder
Speaker 3: can listeners get this one who played Lawrence Talbot in
Speaker 3: the movie The wolf Man? And he thinks for a second,
Speaker 3: and then at first he thinks it was Lynn Cheney Junior,
Speaker 3: but then he gets it right. He remembers Lawn and
Speaker 3: Kennedy is very proud of himself when he nails the answer.
Speaker 3: He's got a big grin. So the character stuff in
Speaker 3: this scene is a familiar trope. I'm trying to think,
Speaker 3: what is the main movie I remember this from? But
Speaker 3: it's the goofy, befuddled old dad who can't take care
Speaker 3: of himself and his adult daughter who sort of becomes
Speaker 3: his mother. So this is expressed in the movie through
Speaker 3: wardrobe malfunctions, like the game is interrupted when Julie notices
Speaker 3: that Bill is missing buttons on his shirt. She offers
Speaker 3: to sew them back on, but when he goes to
Speaker 3: get her sewing kitch, he notices that his socks don't match.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, and somehow in the middle of this, he makes
Speaker 3: these bitter comments about like the wickedness of her mother,
Speaker 3: who is not present.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So we get the idea that you know,
Speaker 2: this is a there's a divorce scenario going on here,
Speaker 2: and that's one of the reasons that there's nobody to
Speaker 2: look after Big Bill here, and that's why he said
Speaker 2: a mess.
Speaker 3: He's like, I haven't seen you in so long, thanks
Speaker 3: to your mother. But then while they're talking about his socks,
Speaker 3: a sasquatch crashes through the front door.
Speaker 2: Yep, broad daylight just does knock either, just bams.
Speaker 3: Splinters the door. So it's like, don't even bother locking up,
Speaker 3: it will do no good. The squash and knocks Bill
Speaker 3: to the floor. Bill lies there unconscious, and then the
Speaker 3: sasquatch just kills Julie, so we see her body dragged
Speaker 3: off with gashes across her face, eyes open. It seems
Speaker 3: to me like there might have been more tension if
Speaker 3: the audience thought she might still be alive somewhere. But no,
Speaker 3: the movie is like, there will be no suspense. Bigfoot
Speaker 3: killed her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess this is if I'm not understand correctly.
Speaker 2: The character of Bill here originally had no reason to
Speaker 2: really be in the picture. He's just old man in
Speaker 2: the woods hunting Bigfoot, and so they were like, we
Speaker 2: got to give him more. And so this is considerably
Speaker 2: more than was originally present, but still there's room for
Speaker 2: improvement if they had time.
Speaker 3: It does feel kind of like added on late. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but one thing we were talking about off Mike is man,
Speaker 3: this movie gets right to business. I went back and
Speaker 3: I timed it. It is about ninety to one hundred
Speaker 3: seconds from the end of the credits until the characters
Speaker 3: who seem like they're going to be our main characters
Speaker 3: are attacked by Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like Spaceship Bible versus yeah, Bigfoot attack. Yeah.
Speaker 3: This is all first five minutes of the movie. And
Speaker 3: the movie does not let you get a good look
Speaker 3: at Sasquatch in this scene, but it will also not
Speaker 3: make you wait very long for that, Like fifteen minutes
Speaker 3: later you're going to see full Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: So now we cut to the future and we're going
Speaker 3: to meet our new five main characters. This is our
Speaker 3: sasquatchean pin Tad. So there is Carrie and Jack they
Speaker 3: are a couple. There is Cindy and Fred, they're another couple.
Speaker 3: And then you've got Tom, who's a loner, a rebel,
Speaker 3: and these characters. So I alluded to this earlier, and
Speaker 3: now I wanted to explain a little bit more. They
Speaker 3: do not initially have a lot of distinctive individual traits,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of hard to tell them apart. And
Speaker 3: this becomes more complicated as the movie goes on because
Speaker 3: eventually some characteristics do come into focus on occasions, but
Speaker 3: they're not consistent across different scenes. So it felt almost
Speaker 3: like the actors were playing well, it's not just there
Speaker 3: in the acting, it's there in the writing too. It's
Speaker 3: like the characters were determined by a game of personality
Speaker 3: roulette that that starts with each scene. So what is
Speaker 3: my character like? Are they passive or assertive? Are they
Speaker 3: kind or cruel? Are they funny or serious? Are they
Speaker 3: brave or cowardly? Which other characters do they like or dislike?
Speaker 3: I would say literally all of these traits seem to
Speaker 3: shift between the five main characters somewhat at random.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, it's really hard to tell the male
Speaker 2: characters apart to the point where it's like, I'm really
Speaker 2: happy when the film starts mutilating them, so I have
Speaker 2: something to go on. Well, Cook, we're going to carve
Speaker 2: it down to basically just Jack, and then I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: thank god, there's just one of them to keep track of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was trying to pick out which are
Speaker 3: the more consistent features. Most of the other things are
Speaker 3: going to kind of shift around, but there are a
Speaker 3: few things that are somewhat stable. One is that Fred
Speaker 3: is a kind of preppy jokester. Imagine another Fred character.
Speaker 3: He's kind of Fred from Scooby Doo, but more of
Speaker 3: a jerk and kind of a dash of frat boy prankster.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then a consistent thing about Jack is that
Speaker 3: Jack is haunted. He likes to stare into the distance,
Speaker 3: but beyond that he is wildly inconsistent, Like, is Jack
Speaker 3: a brave, sympathetic self sacrificing hero or is he a crazed,
Speaker 3: selfish lunatic who's kind of a captain ahab or is
Speaker 3: he just a spaced out weirdo it really he does
Speaker 3: all of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really feels like the direction was and now
Speaker 2: you're an action hero, so I need you to put
Speaker 2: on the crazy eyes and start waving as many guns
Speaker 2: as you can hold it at a time. And this
Speaker 2: that's another thing about Jack. Jack shoots so many things
Speaker 2: and so many people and former humans he has. He
Speaker 2: does not hesitate at all.
Speaker 3: There is, in fact, a scene later in the movie
Speaker 3: when they're out some characters are walking in the woods
Speaker 3: and like a pine cone falls out of a tree
Speaker 3: and he just turns and shoots in the general direction
Speaker 3: of the sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think was done because they're like, he's
Speaker 2: an action hero, Like we're this is this is action schlog.
Speaker 2: That's what we need here. But if you analyze it
Speaker 2: even for a second, he does come off like an
Speaker 2: unhinged maniac that clearly endangered all of his friends on
Speaker 2: this mad quest for Squatch.
Speaker 3: So but it also doesn't make sense because you could
Speaker 3: have absorbed the mad quest stuff into the George Kennedy character. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: because it makes sense for him to be on a
Speaker 3: mad quest.
Speaker 2: Now, what's why is Jack? What's his backstory? He like
Speaker 2: saw a bush move in the night once. That's about
Speaker 2: all we have to go on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. The only thing that's really
Speaker 3: consistent about Tom is that he's supposed to be weird,
Speaker 3: I think, But the way in which he is weird
Speaker 3: is extremely variable. Sometimes he's kind of a pathetic, pervy dork.
Speaker 3: Other times he's kind of a rock and roll rebel.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the movie spoiler, he
Speaker 3: gets killed and then he comes back as a zombie,
Speaker 3: but as a zombie for some reason, unlike all the
Speaker 3: other zombies, he can talk and he becomes Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2: Well, we can decide to dice that we can dissect
Speaker 2: that later, because I think some zombies do get to
Speaker 2: talk for like administration purposes in the worship of their
Speaker 2: demon alien overlord. But yeah, I would say that the
Speaker 2: actor here really comes into his own at this point
Speaker 2: in the film, playing the speaking zombie. He has that
Speaker 2: grade line where he's like, I'm I'm ft, but I
Speaker 2: feel beautiful.
Speaker 3: He doesn't just say that, he says it as Jack Nicholson,
Speaker 3: I'm dead, I feel beautiful Jack. It's great and he
Speaker 3: doesn't talk like that at all earlier on.
Speaker 2: But uh so, I.
Speaker 3: Would say of the five of them, Tom, Jack, and
Speaker 3: Cindy are the most ruelettified of the personalities, and Fred
Speaker 3: and Carrie feel slightly more stable. But also those last
Speaker 3: two maybe have less total personality on display at all.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, and it's funny also because sometimes Jack is doing
Speaker 3: he's doing the haunted thing, looking off off camera in
Speaker 3: the distance, like what is it, what's you know, what's
Speaker 3: haunting him? But he's wearing this hat that says Daiwah
Speaker 3: or Dewa, which is like a fishing brand.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I had I was like, what is Dewa
Speaker 2: daywah or whatever, But yeah, Japanese fishing, an outdoor hobby company.
Speaker 3: It's this I don't know, it's just this big logo.
Speaker 3: It's like imagining somebody being haunted in a hat that
Speaker 3: has a big Cabella's thing on it, you know. It
Speaker 3: just I don't know.
Speaker 2: The only place he's free is when he's fishing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So they're all heading up the mountain road and this
Speaker 3: big Chevy Blazer. Fred is driving. Jack is in the
Speaker 3: passenger seat, Carrie, Cindy and Tom are in the back
Speaker 3: and on real I didn't catch this the first time,
Speaker 3: but on rewatch I was like, wait, why are Carrie
Speaker 3: and Cindy both in the back seat cuddling on Tom
Speaker 3: and playing with his hair and stuff? That is not
Speaker 3: congruent with their attitude toward him in later scenes at
Speaker 3: all Their boyfriends are in the front seat. They I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's like, it doesn't make any sense, and
Speaker 3: I can at this point I can stop noting these
Speaker 3: types of things because there are too many to list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just too inconsistent. But yeah, this is when
Speaker 2: I first watched it, I was like, I guess it's
Speaker 2: a truple in the backseat. Yeah, two single guys or
Speaker 2: a couple in the front. I don't know. Yeah, none
Speaker 2: of this will be consistent with what we see later on.
Speaker 3: They're literally like snuggling him and like playing with his hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the first thing we hear from Tom says, so, Jack,
Speaker 3: you ever see anything strange up here? Jack says, no,
Speaker 3: I've heard some things though, I've seen weird shapes moving
Speaker 3: around here in the night.
Speaker 2: Time, great backstory.
Speaker 3: Fred says, maybe it was bears. Cindy says, or deer
Speaker 3: like Bamby, and then she says it with this big
Speaker 3: grin like it means something like it's a dirty joke
Speaker 3: or something. But what's the significance of Bamby?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, does not come up again. Tom explains that these
Speaker 3: woods are known as the Demon Woods and they have
Speaker 3: a spooky reputation. He says that quote animals stay away
Speaker 3: in droves, and then we learn that Jack's uncle, Clem,
Speaker 3: owns a big part of the Demon Woods, and Jack
Speaker 3: used to come here camping when he was a kid.
Speaker 3: Then Clem built a cabin here and started renting it
Speaker 3: out to people. So I guess that's the cabin that
Speaker 3: they are headed for right now.
Speaker 2: They are ready for the country.
Speaker 3: Ready for the country, and it's time to go. So
Speaker 3: Carrie is like, oh, by the way, remember those people
Speaker 3: who were attacked when they were on vacation, just like us,
Speaker 3: And then Tom says these are the woods of hell
Speaker 3: Jack and Jack screams, no, they're not, and then everybody
Speaker 3: in the car starts screaming at each other.
Speaker 2: They're just having fun. They're just such a fun crew.
Speaker 3: Yes, So our heroes arrive at the cabin and they
Speaker 3: find the front door smashed to pieces. Inside, their stuff
Speaker 3: all over the floor. Pictures on the wall are hanging
Speaker 3: a skew. Somebody went through and a scuwed them.
Speaker 2: Vacation rentals were different in the eighties. You know, he
Speaker 2: didn't have like star reviews and so forth on the app.
Speaker 2: It was you might show up in a bigfoot had
Speaker 2: ransacked the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like there's like a John Candy
Speaker 3: movie about that or something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, the Great Outdoors.
Speaker 3: But does this mean that Uncle Clem double booked them
Speaker 3: with George Kennedy or no.
Speaker 2: I think as we'll see later, like George Kennedy had
Speaker 2: an earlier booking. But George Kennedy has not left the
Speaker 2: woods for sasquatch revenge purposes. Okay, maybe he just comes
Speaker 2: back to the cabin to use the restroom. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So jack Jack is like, wow, vandals must have
Speaker 3: hit this place, kids or something. And there's a good
Speaker 3: boombox scene where Tom pulls a cassette deck out of
Speaker 3: the back of the car and he starts playing the
Speaker 3: rock music on it, and he's dancing, and we notice
Speaker 3: he's got some really good yanked my cord here. He's
Speaker 3: got some really good ripped jeans, not just in the knees,
Speaker 3: but the butcher a rip too. And so we learn
Speaker 3: that Jack has asked Tom to bring a bunch of
Speaker 3: electronic equipment with them. He's got long range listening devices
Speaker 3: and motion detectors and all kinds of stuff. Jack has
Speaker 3: also brought a bolt action rifle, which the characters repeatedly
Speaker 3: referred to as a shotgun. I am no gun expert.
Speaker 3: I don't know a lot about guns, but I know
Speaker 3: that's not a shotgun. Tom also has brought a big
Speaker 3: foot mask. Fred finds it and he decides he wants
Speaker 3: to use it to scare Cindy, but this gets interrupted
Speaker 3: when they have their first meeting with Bill crafton So
Speaker 3: George Kennedy's outside. He scares everybody by doing a warning
Speaker 3: shot on his rifle and they come out and he's
Speaker 3: this big guy standing there in overalls and the yellow hat,
Speaker 3: and he confronts the gang and tells them that there
Speaker 3: are bad things in these woods and they need to
Speaker 3: clear out. But while he's talking to them, Jack sneaks
Speaker 3: up behind him. Puts a pistol to his head and says,
Speaker 3: we know all about it, mister. So they take his
Speaker 3: gun and the tension sort of comes down. Kennedy introduces
Speaker 3: himself and tells the story of what happened to him.
Speaker 3: He doesn't tell the whole story. Actually, he vaguely alludes
Speaker 3: to something bad having happened, and oh, this is the
Speaker 3: part where he says, I should have remembered this. He
Speaker 3: says that it was a few months ago. So then Jack,
Speaker 3: Then it gets weirder because Jack says, I heard you
Speaker 3: barely made it out alive. Mister Crafton, why did you
Speaker 3: come back? It's like, wait, so he knows the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's all over the local papers.
Speaker 3: So Crafton says, well, there's a thing out here. It
Speaker 3: took my little girl, and I wasn't prepared to stop
Speaker 3: it then, but I'm going to stop it now. And
Speaker 3: he says that They ask why he didn't tell the police.
Speaker 3: He says he tried to tell them, but they think
Speaker 3: it was just a wild animal. And then Cindy says,
Speaker 3: there's no wildlife up here in the woods? Are there
Speaker 3: woods with no wildlife?
Speaker 2: It stays away and drug remember or it's like the
Speaker 2: you know, the it's like the Wilderness and Alien Covenant.
Speaker 2: That one also had no wildlife.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he tries to order them to get back
Speaker 3: in their truck and go home, but they won't listen,
Speaker 3: so he heads off into the woods. Later that night,
Speaker 3: there is a scene at the kitchen table where everybody
Speaker 3: is gathered around and Jack explains to them. This is
Speaker 3: the part where he reveals that he lured them all
Speaker 3: out here to the woods on the promise of a
Speaker 3: weekend to get away, but in reality he wants their
Speaker 3: help to hunt bigfoot. Everybody has that friend, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and yeah, everyone loves to be manipulated into
Speaker 2: a vacation like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me take you out to lunch. Actually, you're
Speaker 3: helping me move.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What are the hikes like here? No hikes, just
Speaker 2: bigfoot tracking.
Speaker 3: So he explains that Klem, his uncle who owns this place,
Speaker 3: has actually disappeared, and Jack has been tracking reports of
Speaker 3: bigfoot attacks, strange sightings, or other disappearances. Quo, I marked everything, everything,
Speaker 3: no matter how unbelievable it sounded. And then he unfurls
Speaker 3: this map that has like five x's on it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's also got a bunch of newspaper clippings and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of them just says those evil interests, which
Speaker 2: I was wondering if this might be a weekly column.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I wonder if it's a financial column.
Speaker 2: But interest rates those evil interests. Yes.
Speaker 3: So anyway, the thing is everything points to these woods,
Speaker 3: and he needs his friends to help him find Uncle
Speaker 3: Clem and solve the mystery of bigfoot. And so his
Speaker 3: friends kind of make fun of him for a minute,
Speaker 3: but then Tom says, you know, Jack, I don't know
Speaker 3: about any bigfoots, but we're in man. It's like, that's
Speaker 3: what friends are for. Also in this scene, we have
Speaker 3: Chekhov's watch alarm. Tom's watch makes a weird little beeping
Speaker 3: sound and everyone looks at it and they're like, I'm
Speaker 3: making a mental note of that. I'll recognize that sound
Speaker 3: later if I hear it. Another thing I wanted to
Speaker 3: point out in the scene is that Jack kind of
Speaker 3: does a reverse She's all that here, So the trope
Speaker 3: from these high school movies like She's all that is
Speaker 3: the girl, the nerdy girl with the glasses takes the
Speaker 3: glasses off and everyone discovers she's cool and beautiful, Jack
Speaker 3: arrives seeming like a cool hunk, but in this scene
Speaker 3: he puts glasses on and he becomes a weird nerd
Speaker 3: who everybody is making fun of. Did you realize that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: So there are some other general goings on at the
Speaker 3: cabin that There is a love scene with Jack and
Speaker 3: Carry which Tom uses the electronic squatch hunting equipment to
Speaker 3: spy on. There is a gorilla mask prank scene, but
Speaker 3: it all leads up to the first big squatch attack.
Speaker 3: So while Fred is locked outside with a gorilla mask,
Speaker 3: the fog machine flares up and a shadow passes over him.
Speaker 3: We know something's about to happen. A hairy thing is
Speaker 3: creeping into frame and then Fred disappears, so the remaining
Speaker 3: friends go outside to look for him, but there's no
Speaker 3: sign of him. They find the car with the hood
Speaker 3: popped open, and they realize that the engine has been destroyed. So, oh,
Speaker 3: can't go back home?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how can I do this? It's just an animal, right.
Speaker 3: Then they retreat inside the house and they put a
Speaker 3: big board over the front door. But what's the board
Speaker 3: going to do? It smashed the door to pieces and
Speaker 3: it just knocks the board in runs inside and starts
Speaker 3: roaring and kind of saying.
Speaker 2: Oh. Now we begin to get to see the Beakler
Speaker 2: squatch suit in a lot more detail here, And I
Speaker 2: really loved the look of the sad squatch. Here. You
Speaker 2: get your standard issue bigfoot body, some really great hands
Speaker 2: and feet, But then the face of the bigfoot is
Speaker 2: really nice. It's kind of like snarling evil, a ring
Speaker 2: atang kind of caveman face, but in a really cool way.
Speaker 2: I'm really struggling to think of a better savage squatch design.
Speaker 3: It's sasquatch, but it has a skull face, deeply sunken eyes,
Speaker 3: like really, you don't even see eyeballs at all, the
Speaker 3: sunken eyes or just sockets almost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially in the close ups, great manipulation of
Speaker 2: the lips around these gnarly teeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not sharp teeth, human like teeth, but creepy teeth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But he's always like snarling and sneering. This is
Speaker 2: a squatch with bad intentions.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So what does Bigfoot do here? Well, he kills Tom.
Speaker 3: Later we will see squatch rip people's heads off, but
Speaker 3: here he doesn't fully rip the head off. He just
Speaker 3: kind of lifts and twists the head.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he's got the technique down, but I
Speaker 2: think it's one of those things where it's always like
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty weather you're going to actually pull the
Speaker 2: head off, you know.
Speaker 3: The main object of Squatch's interest here seems to be
Speaker 3: Jack's electronic monitoring equipment. So he picks it up and
Speaker 3: he takes it away with him, and then before he leaves,
Speaker 3: he has this moment with Jack, like they make eyes
Speaker 3: at each other. They both stop and look, and Jack's
Speaker 3: like pointing a gun at Sasquatch, but he can't bring
Speaker 3: himself to pull the trigger. What's going on?
Speaker 2: In some Squatch movies this would have happened because our
Speaker 2: protagonist comes to see the true gentle or noble Squatch, right,
Speaker 2: but the demon warp Squatch has no such dimensions. This
Speaker 2: might be just a senseless moment between these two, but
Speaker 2: it might loosely connect to something that will happen later.
Speaker 2: I think maybe that is what they're getting at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's that he Yeah, so it will
Speaker 3: come up later that these Squatches again, it's invasion of
Speaker 3: the body Squatchers. So these Squatches are in fact people,
Speaker 3: and this is a squatch made from a person who
Speaker 3: Jack actually knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but are we to imply here that Jack recognizes
Speaker 2: this person in the squatch? Yeah, surely not.
Speaker 3: They all just look like the same squatch. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: are no traces of the original human form left.
Speaker 2: And for the Sasquatches part, he's just glad to make
Speaker 2: up with some electronic equipment.
Speaker 3: I just wanted this circuit board. Yeah. But also here
Speaker 3: there is a scene of Jack steering into the camera
Speaker 3: with his face turned down making demon eyes like that
Speaker 3: shot in the Shining.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Okay, Yeah, I mean I'm guessing here, but
Speaker 2: I think they just really wanted him to come off
Speaker 2: like total action hero mode here, you know, like he's
Speaker 2: but in a way that ends up making him look
Speaker 2: like a maniac. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I buy that explanation on this part,
Speaker 3: because he just it seems so overtly like he's supposed
Speaker 3: to look like like psychotic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but for what purpose, Like it doesn't know, what
Speaker 2: purpose does it serve in the narrative. I think it's
Speaker 2: just rule of cool yea coming first here.
Speaker 3: It would it would make more sense if they're setting
Speaker 3: it up, setting it up to be that Oh no,
Speaker 3: Jack is being like hypnotized or possessed to buy Sasquatch
Speaker 3: in some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were going to do like a face turn
Speaker 2: where oh, savage Squatch is actually noble squatch and humans
Speaker 2: are the real monster. Yeah, well that would work too,
Speaker 2: but we're not going on that tretch.
Speaker 3: It doesn't do anything. Yeah, so I this never turns
Speaker 3: into anything. He's just making weird faces at the camera
Speaker 3: when no one's looking. Yea, and nothing happens with that.
Speaker 2: And this is where he falls asleep with guns in
Speaker 2: each hand, right and yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the next day, now we're entering the middle
Speaker 3: third of the movie, which is about wandering in the woods.
Speaker 3: The next day, the car is wrecked. Tom is dead,
Speaker 3: but his body goes missing, and Fred is missing too,
Speaker 3: and he was already missing, but now Tom's body has
Speaker 3: additionally gone missing, and Jack arms carry with a gun
Speaker 3: and Cindy with a small knife, and Cindy doesn't seem
Speaker 3: bothered by this.
Speaker 2: She's like, Cindy, you good with that knife, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, Like I'm gonna take on a
Speaker 2: sasquat eight foot tall sas squatch, but I've got a
Speaker 2: pocket knife.
Speaker 3: And she will. There's a scene where she jumps into
Speaker 3: the front lines against the Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're gonna hike out of the woods and
Speaker 3: seek help for They explain the reasons for this, but
Speaker 3: I didn't understand what they were saying. For whatever reason
Speaker 3: it is, they're not going to follow the road they
Speaker 3: drove in on that They're sort of like, there have
Speaker 3: been sightings of Squatch there, you know that Squatch's road now,
Speaker 3: so we can't take it.
Speaker 2: All, right, fair enough?
Speaker 3: Yeah? He also and at this point Jack is concealing
Speaker 3: from Carrie and Cindy the fact that Tom's body has
Speaker 3: gone missing. So we also this is where we meet
Speaker 3: the new characters, you know, the people who show up
Speaker 3: randomly in the woods about a third of the way
Speaker 3: through the movie to crank up the body count. We've
Speaker 3: got a random hiker with a camera. He just keeps
Speaker 3: hiking around. We check in with him every now and then,
Speaker 3: but he's just walking around in the woods until he
Speaker 3: gets caught in a bear trap and then stabbed in
Speaker 3: the stomach with a stick by Bigfoot. And also before this,
Speaker 3: he runs into a zombie, just a human zombie, just.
Speaker 2: A zombie wandering through the southern California wilderness. We'll find
Speaker 2: out more about this soon, but when it happens, you're like,
Speaker 2: what the Maybe this was another film that was in
Speaker 2: production just over the horizon.
Speaker 3: The other characters we meet are the fun girls Betsy
Speaker 3: and Tara. They're driving the mountain roads in a jeep
Speaker 3: blasting classic rock, getting up to no good. They're slamming
Speaker 3: some cores and Betsy is telling a story about a
Speaker 3: guy she dated who thought she was asleep in the
Speaker 3: car on the way home and was picking his nose
Speaker 3: and she caught him picking his nose and she starts
Speaker 3: talking about whether his brain was itching. And their plan
Speaker 3: is to go again to this illegal cannabis grove site,
Speaker 3: which they call the Secret Garden. They're going to steal
Speaker 3: some stuff from there, but when they get there, it's
Speaker 3: all gone. Somebody took it all already. And then Betsy says, well,
Speaker 3: we came all this way, might as well get a tan, right,
Speaker 3: and takes her shirt off. But while they're tanning, they
Speaker 3: are attacked by sasquatch. Tara gets her head pulled right
Speaker 3: off and Betsy runs screaming away into the woods and
Speaker 3: she's going to meet up with our main characters later.
Speaker 2: We never find out what happened to the marijuana. Do
Speaker 2: we think the Sasquatch took the marijuana? Oh?
Speaker 3: Maybe, maybe We're going to find out that a certain
Speaker 3: Asdath was going to take it back to his heavenly abode.
Speaker 2: There you go, There you go.
Speaker 3: As for the three remaining characters from our original five characters,
Speaker 3: through the middle of the movie, they do just a
Speaker 3: lot of walking around and having weird interactions that don't
Speaker 3: connect to anything else. Like one thing I did want
Speaker 3: to flag is through this whole stretch of the film,
Speaker 3: across multiple scenes, Jack keeps holding his rifle in a
Speaker 3: resting position where it is fully pointed at his friends.
Speaker 3: And it's not like he's holding them up or something.
Speaker 3: They're just not practicing gun safety at all. So like
Speaker 3: Cindy is walking behind him and he's got the guns
Speaker 3: slung over his shoulder just pointed at her head. Also,
Speaker 3: random conflicts and character dynamics arise that did not previously
Speaker 3: exist and do not continue later. Examples of this are
Speaker 3: Jack and Cindy at each other's throats, like screaming at
Speaker 3: each other about stuff. But then also little moments like
Speaker 3: they're going to kiss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, what possible purpose does that serve? Here?
Speaker 3: Hunter, Jack, Cindy, and Carrie find booby traps all over
Speaker 3: the woods. There are these big steel bear traps and
Speaker 3: then trip wires rigged with dynamite, and they trace these
Speaker 3: traps back to a camp site, which is the camp
Speaker 3: of none other than Bill crafton George Kennedy from earlier.
Speaker 3: This is the place where there's that standoff scene that's
Speaker 3: almost a repeat of the first scene where they met,
Speaker 3: but here Bill has a beeping digital watch and it's like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, remember that sound. That's Tom's watch. So
Speaker 3: Jack arches Bill into his camp at gunpoint, and they're
Speaker 3: trying to find out did he kill Tom? But I
Speaker 3: was just thinking, like, they know he didn't kill Tom.
Speaker 3: They saw bigfoot kill Tom. Yeah, maybe they think he
Speaker 3: took Tom's body or something, but I don't know. So
Speaker 3: Bill just he explains that he found the watch in
Speaker 3: the woods, and then he pleads his case. He says
Speaker 3: that he wants to avenge, avenge his daughter and kill
Speaker 3: this thing, and that he's been out here for a week.
Speaker 3: This is the part where he says, I wear this
Speaker 3: well yellow hat. So it's easier for the thing to
Speaker 3: see me because I want this fight. Also, somewhere in here,
Speaker 3: there's a scene where Bigfoot disarms dynamite tripwires, and so
Speaker 3: that's kind of strange. It's like, wait a minute, Bigfoot
Speaker 3: has the technological know how to disarm a trigger trap.
Speaker 2: Well, we saw him like steal an amp or something earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something going on here.
Speaker 3: Bigfoots he's starting a career as a sound guy at
Speaker 3: the Woods venue. So Bill and Jack here compare notes
Speaker 3: on Bigfoot. Jack explains that moment of recognition he had
Speaker 3: with Bigfoot, and also he explains that it stole some
Speaker 3: of his electronic equipment, and Bill is like, I just
Speaker 3: have a feeling that killing isn't its only motive. What
Speaker 3: could this be? But before they can hash it out,
Speaker 3: Squatch attacks the camp. Several humans have guns, but for
Speaker 3: some reason, Cindy runs in to attack it at close
Speaker 3: range with her three inch knife so they can't shoot
Speaker 3: at it. Jack and Cindy get knocked out. Carrie shoots
Speaker 3: at sasquatch. Bill grabs an axe and lures it away
Speaker 3: from camp like it chases him and eventually it smashes
Speaker 3: his head. So goodbye, goodbye Bill crafton.
Speaker 2: You know, and I was sure, like, this is our lead.
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, he's actually just knocked unconscious and he's
Speaker 2: going to come back at the last minute and help
Speaker 2: save the day once our main characters get into a jam.
Speaker 2: But no, no, he's really dead. He's not coming back.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, he's not our lead. Unfortunately Jack is our lead.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Jack wakes up alone in camp. He arms
Speaker 3: himself with a pistol and some dynamite, and then he
Speaker 3: leaves and he crosses paths in the woods with Cindy.
Speaker 3: But she's acting weird. Her back is turned and she's
Speaker 3: walking strangely, and when he finally catches up to her
Speaker 3: and turns her around, half of her face is warped.
Speaker 3: There's your demon warp. It's warped bizarrely, like her eyeball
Speaker 3: is hanging out of the socket and it's just all
Speaker 3: messed up. And then she walks, as if in a trance,
Speaker 3: into the mouth of a nearby cave and Jack follows,
Speaker 3: and this goes to the final act. In the cave,
Speaker 3: this is where things start going off the rails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is everything has been entertaining up up
Speaker 2: up into this point, but now it's going to go
Speaker 2: into overdrive and we get all these weird elements we've
Speaker 2: been alluding to when we enter into that cave. And
Speaker 2: if that cave exterior looks familiar, that's because this movie,
Speaker 2: like so many films that b movies that shot in
Speaker 2: southern California, it shot in Bronze and Canyon and those
Speaker 2: different caves. This used to be a quarry, and the
Speaker 2: work there left behind multiple caves and tunnels, caves and
Speaker 2: tunnels that are just asking for various aliens to crawl
Speaker 2: in or out of them.
Speaker 3: Is this the cave that's in It conquered the world?
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I don't know if it's the exact cave.
Speaker 2: I was comparing photos and I don't know. There are
Speaker 2: multiple caves there that cave entrances and tunnel entrances that
Speaker 2: have been used. But yeah, it conquered the world. I
Speaker 2: think Robot Monster, tons of films.
Speaker 3: So this is when all hell breaks loose. So Jack
Speaker 3: goes into the cave and he's confronted by a bigfoot.
Speaker 3: He shoots it, but once it is mortally wounded, it
Speaker 3: starts transforming. Yeah, it's a reverse werewolf transformed where the
Speaker 3: hair starts kind of sucking in and disappearing, and the
Speaker 3: skin set. The skin is first bubbling and boiling, and
Speaker 3: then it settles down and it's a man. Why it's
Speaker 3: Jack's uncle Clem. Uncle Clem was a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: All yeah, And this is again the point where you're
Speaker 2: just like, what is happening? Where are we going with
Speaker 2: this movie?
Speaker 3: Uncle Clem said, he's sobbing. He says, Jack, I didn't
Speaker 3: want to hurt you. They made me, they changed me.
Speaker 3: And then he dies. And then further in the cave
Speaker 3: we see electronic equipment and dead body parts everywhere. It's
Speaker 3: a combination slaughterhouse and radio shat.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: And then further in the cave we get zombies everywhere,
Speaker 3: tons of them, not bigfoot, just various kinds of shambling undead,
Speaker 3: many of which are carrying or working on circuit boards
Speaker 3: and electrical panels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of them has what is it other
Speaker 2: resident shirt? He's got a ban shirt.
Speaker 3: Really good, cool, cool classic band tea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to look it up. They'll cost you
Speaker 2: a couple hundred bucks on eBay. What condition though, Oh,
Speaker 2: I would hope, I mean, you don't want it? And
Speaker 2: meant right, it's got to be a little little funky. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: what are you paying for?
Speaker 3: I need some oil stains. Yeah. So Jack finds Fred
Speaker 3: in the cave. Remember Fred, the preppy guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought he was dead.
Speaker 3: He's alive and he's wearing his gorilla mask. He's injured
Speaker 3: and tied up on the cave floor. Fred tells Jack
Speaker 3: they've got Carrie inside the craft and he's like, what
Speaker 3: the craft? What's that? What's he talking about? And Fred
Speaker 3: says it's this thing, this priest. He wants to use
Speaker 3: her and another girl, and so Fred tells Jack to
Speaker 3: go on and get out of here. Jack tries to
Speaker 3: go inside the craft, which is this metal door behind
Speaker 3: them in the cave, but he gets blocked at the
Speaker 3: door by zombie Tom. Remember this is Tom, the rock
Speaker 3: and roll radio geek from earlier. Now he's a zombie,
Speaker 3: but unlike the other zombies, he talks and this is
Speaker 3: the part where he has turned into Jack Nicholson. So
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, Jack, I'm dead, You're still alive. But
Speaker 3: I feel beautiful, man. You know these are my friends Jack,
Speaker 3: And he's like.
Speaker 2: They're good people and the zombies are just kind of
Speaker 2: hanging out behind him. And then again the zombies look
Speaker 2: pretty cool.
Speaker 3: What is all this about? I don't know, but so yeah,
Speaker 3: and then also we see some maintenance going on where
Speaker 3: the zombies are now working on a spaceship. You see
Speaker 3: them screwing in greebles to a to a gray spray
Speaker 3: painted piece of cardboard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like needs more greebels, more greebels.
Speaker 3: Here solo cups and yeah, just I don't know, various
Speaker 3: little dude ads going up on the wall. And here's
Speaker 3: where we're finally gonna have well, all will be revealed.
Speaker 2: What is it.
Speaker 3: It's we're gonna go watch a human sacrifice for an
Speaker 3: alien named Asdrath.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and we're meeting our our priest friend the
Speaker 2: Padre from earlier, except now he is an undead speaking
Speaker 2: He's an undead priest with the ability to speak, who
Speaker 2: is serving this alien overlord Asidrath, wearing the black occultist robe.
Speaker 2: Like we're in just straight up dungeons and dragon's territory
Speaker 2: at this point. I love it.
Speaker 3: So you took him to be a zombie at this point.
Speaker 2: I guess so, because he's over one hundred years old.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I guess I was just thinking he had
Speaker 3: a magically prolonged life.
Speaker 2: But well, maybe maybe that's it, but not prolonged in
Speaker 2: a very good way. That could be the distinction. Speaking
Speaker 2: zombies are actually they are, Actually they haven't died all
Speaker 2: the way yet. Maybe they're just artificially sustained in a
Speaker 2: very nasty way.
Speaker 3: So this guy has the character Betsy tied to the table,
Speaker 3: and she's going to be a human sacrifice. He's got
Speaker 3: like the Night, you know, your standard movie human sacrifice.
Speaker 3: The knife is up and he's chanting. He's saying, as
Speaker 3: Dreath is Lord, as Dreath is Lord. He's got a
Speaker 3: whole speech. I'm not going to read the whole thing here,
Speaker 3: but it's a lot of my master dwells within the
Speaker 3: sacred chamber. His sacred dagger is raised in trembling, in dissipation.
Speaker 3: I think he says that as Dreth. We get from
Speaker 3: this speech that this guy worships the alien that crashed
Speaker 3: one hundred years ago and thinks he is an archangel
Speaker 3: named as Dreth, and he's now this guy's god. And
Speaker 3: this guy has been helping him repair his spaceship for
Speaker 3: one hundred years. So that he can finally go back
Speaker 3: to his heavenly abode.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like this the padre here used to love Jesus,
Speaker 2: but then when a hideous space monster presented itself, he's
Speaker 2: like close enough, I'll worship this now. And this I
Speaker 2: really did kind of dig this idea, you know, not
Speaker 2: in a very deep way, but it's like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: spaceship crashed one hundred years ago, what kind of repairs
Speaker 2: could they do? For a long time? You know, they
Speaker 2: were limited. They had to wait until radio shacks existed,
Speaker 2: and they had a shot at stealing automobile parts and
Speaker 2: what not to get the repairs further along. And who
Speaker 2: knows they might still only be at like thirty five
Speaker 2: percent here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been trying to get copper all this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But so yeah, So he's got Betsy on the table
Speaker 3: there and he's going to stab her in the heart,
Speaker 3: cut her heart out, and give it to Azdreth. We'll
Speaker 3: describe this alien in just a second, and Asdreth's going
Speaker 3: to be eating it. So but I was confused, like, okay,
Speaker 3: so is this human sacrifice primarily religious or nutritional in nature?
Speaker 3: Is that this this alien needs to eat hearts? And
Speaker 3: so this guy's just going to bring him hearts or
Speaker 3: is this a ritual for actual religious purposes?
Speaker 2: Boy, that's a difficult one. Maybe maybe I is Asterath
Speaker 2: really divined? Does he like the does he like the
Speaker 2: religious aspects of this? Or is this more like the
Speaker 2: Padres thing where he's like, I worship you, and as
Speaker 2: Dereath is ultimately like, all right, I will allow it,
Speaker 2: I'll let you this is you really enjoyed this part
Speaker 2: of it? You know, this is a partnership at this point.
Speaker 2: I will eat the heart because I want to eat
Speaker 2: that juicy heart, but I don't really care personally about
Speaker 2: all of this religious stuff.
Speaker 3: Or maybe it's a psychological thing, like maybe for the
Speaker 3: pre it's like doing the Here comes the airplane to
Speaker 3: get the baby to eat the food, gets Asdreath ready
Speaker 3: to eat a heart. He knows he needs to eat
Speaker 3: the heart, but he's not in the you know, he's
Speaker 3: not hungry for heart.
Speaker 2: Or Asterreth is a true mastermind maybe and he realizes
Speaker 2: that religion is a great way to control humans. I mean,
Speaker 2: he also uses zombie magic, but also religion is good.
Speaker 3: Okay, so can you describe Asdreth what have we got
Speaker 3: going on here? With this tremendous puppet.
Speaker 2: Oh god, he's great again. This is a Beekler design
Speaker 2: and you see it through and through. So the main post,
Speaker 2: the main theatrical poster for the film, also has an
Speaker 2: illustration of what like the full healthy version of this
Speaker 2: monster might have looked like. We're essentially talking about a
Speaker 2: hairless reptilian scorpion tailed biped with a robotic robotic claw
Speaker 2: hand and kind of a twisted goblin or ony face
Speaker 2: again like that, you know, classic sort of Beekler monster design.
Speaker 3: He also a.
Speaker 2: Little bit has the feel of a hairless demon sasquatch,
Speaker 2: which is gonna be apt considering the bizarro relationship between
Speaker 2: this creature and the squatches that we've been running into,
Speaker 2: because it seems that the case is that that scorpion
Speaker 2: tail stinger that he has, if it stings a human,
Speaker 2: it will turn them into a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so yeah, we actually see that later where
Speaker 3: Fred he's still alive, but he's gonna end up in
Speaker 3: the room and he gets poked with this little weird
Speaker 3: tale that comes out of Asdreth's Asdreth is like it
Speaker 3: in a big bucket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a bucket pedestal sort of thing. Basically, he's
Speaker 2: in bad shape. He's missing one arm completely. The other
Speaker 2: arm is replaced by a claw. We have no indication
Speaker 2: that he has like legs anymore. So either he was
Speaker 2: horrifically injured in the crash or was just previously wounded
Speaker 2: and debilitated, and you know, it is just left in
Speaker 2: the state. And I guess can get by because he
Speaker 2: can command a sasquatch and zombie army to do his bidding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the stinger turns humans into sasquatches. Yeah and yeah,
Speaker 3: and it is noted in the Michelle Bauer interview. She's
Speaker 3: like that stinger that's pretty phallic, isn't it.
Speaker 2: But in Astrath does speak, but it's kind of like
Speaker 2: alien warbling language, and I think the padre translates for him. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the priest he cuts out Betsy's heart and
Speaker 3: feeds it as dreath, and then the priest is going
Speaker 3: to do the same thing to carry but Jack intervenes.
Speaker 3: So Jack and Fred both get dragged into the sacrifice room.
Speaker 3: The priest commands them to kneel in the presence of
Speaker 3: the archangel Asdreth. He says, our Lord is ready to
Speaker 3: return to the glory of Heaven, and Jack starts fighting back.
Speaker 3: He starts like shouting in the priest to saying silence,
Speaker 3: but then it turns. It turns into a scuffle. He
Speaker 3: kills the priest, he shoots the archangel Asdreth, and then
Speaker 3: he cuts Carrie loose.
Speaker 2: Carrie sort of has.
Speaker 3: To remind him to free her. He seems a lot
Speaker 3: more focused on fighting Azdreth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, weirdo.
Speaker 3: And then Fred and then they're like, come on, Fred,
Speaker 3: we got to get out of here. You know, we're
Speaker 3: gonna blow this place up and leave. But Fred has
Speaker 3: been stung by Asdrath in the fight, and he's like, no,
Speaker 3: you've got to leave me behind to blow up the ship.
Speaker 2: And they're like, because he's squatching out. He's starting to transform.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he says, look at me, and he holds up
Speaker 3: his arms and he's.
Speaker 2: Got yeah, yep, he's gonna get in the the werewolf
Speaker 2: pulsings under the skin, more and more hair growing on
Speaker 2: the face, and this is pretty exciting, Like he's turning
Speaker 2: into the squatch. Yeah, even though the alien overlord that
Speaker 2: created him is presumably all the way dead.
Speaker 3: Now, before you taste death, you show no squatch. So
Speaker 3: on the way out of the cave, Carrie and Jack
Speaker 3: do leave him behind, and on the way out they
Speaker 3: also come across Cindy. This is a bizarre moment. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's still in a zombie trance and Carrie's like, we've
Speaker 3: got to help her. But Jack is like, no, she's dead,
Speaker 3: leave her And Carrie says, no, no, we've got to
Speaker 3: help her. And then Jack shoots zombie Cindy to convince
Speaker 3: Carrie to leave her behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again this kind of grip dark. Yeah, he's just
Speaker 2: he's just very comfortable shooting humanoids. He does not hesitate
Speaker 2: it all in a very, I think, either unrealistic or
Speaker 2: terrifying way.
Speaker 3: So they leave the cave and then the cave explodes,
Speaker 3: big explosion, and then we cut two. Jack wakes up
Speaker 3: in bed. But I don't know, Rob, can you describe
Speaker 3: this whole endings? They are like multiple fake out endings
Speaker 3: and I don't even know if any of them are
Speaker 3: a real ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is confusing. We get yet multiple sort of
Speaker 2: the nightmare hasn't ended yet sort of endings where he's
Speaker 2: waking up in bed and carries next to him, but oh,
Speaker 2: carries a zombie but no, wake up from that. But
Speaker 2: then doesn't he think? He wakes up from that and
Speaker 2: Carrie's not even there.
Speaker 3: First he wakes up and there he's in bed with
Speaker 3: Carrie and there are zombies all around the bed. The
Speaker 3: bed is floating in space.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like a black Garth Maringhi's garage here exactly. Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the zombies attack while Carrie's like, hey, let's
Speaker 3: go to the beach tomorrow, and the zombies are all
Speaker 3: getting it. So it's like he sees the zombies and
Speaker 3: she doesn't. And then he wakes up again and he's
Speaker 3: in bed again, and then Carrie turns and looks at
Speaker 3: him and she's she's a zombie now. And then he
Speaker 3: wakes up again, I think, And is he just by himself?
Speaker 2: Then? Yeah, there's no carry So what's real? What's not?
Speaker 2: Was the whole thing just in his head? No?
Speaker 3: Surely it was all a dream?
Speaker 2: Surely not. No, It's almost like they're just like, let's
Speaker 2: try some endings and if they work, they work, and
Speaker 2: if they don't work, we'll just include all of them. Anyway.
Speaker 3: Am I a man who dreamed he was a sasquatch
Speaker 3: or a sasquatch who dreamed he was a man.
Speaker 2: That would have been good if you'd turn into a
Speaker 2: sasquatch at the end. That would have made it more horrible.
Speaker 3: Dream that I had no hair and I lived, and
Speaker 3: I drove a truck and I was looking for my
Speaker 3: own kind.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I was trying to kill Asdreth instead
Speaker 2: of serving him. It was really upsetting.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say about this movie. I've already made
Speaker 3: this comparison a little bit, but you know more about
Speaker 3: the behind the scenes than I do. The third act
Speaker 3: of this movie really reminded me a lot of The Dungeon,
Speaker 3: this other movie we've done on Weird House, in that
Speaker 3: it felt like a creature makeup effects workshop showcase where
Speaker 3: they built the plot around We've got all these different
Speaker 3: masks and sets and props and puppets, and we've been
Speaker 3: separately working on all these things, and we want to
Speaker 3: find a story where we can use them all, and
Speaker 3: this is the movie we got.
Speaker 2: I think, so like, you just know that when Beekler
Speaker 2: shared his idea, He's like, hey, I've got an idea
Speaker 2: for a movie. He described the third act. He described
Speaker 2: this showdown in the cave, the rest is just implied,
Speaker 2: and it'll be a traditional Bigfoot movie up until that point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again, that's I think that's what makest even work
Speaker 2: so special, that it's just ultimately so unhinged and crazy
Speaker 2: and ambitious in its use of all these different elements
Speaker 2: that you know are stitched away. It has a cohesive
Speaker 2: lore to it that it's fun to try and fill
Speaker 2: in the gaps and make it all work and head
Speaker 2: but yeah, absolutely bonkers and I love it.
Speaker 3: Yellow hats off to them, Yes, yes, all right, Well
Speaker 3: that's all I've got on Demon Warp.
Speaker 2: Demon Warp one word. Yeah, I highly recommend it. You
Speaker 2: pick it up, and you know, physical media form or
Speaker 2: you know, the high quality stream of it might be
Speaker 2: available in the future that sometimes comes to pass with
Speaker 2: these pictures.
Speaker 3: Now, wait, Rob, I don't know if this was intentional
Speaker 3: on your part, but last week we did Demon Pond
Speaker 3: and this week we're doing Demon Warp. Next week is
Speaker 3: it Demon Wind?
Speaker 2: Oh God, I don't know. Next week is your choice.
Speaker 2: So it's then the balls in your court to decide
Speaker 2: if we continue the demon trend. You know, we could
Speaker 2: eat well on weird house Cinema just doing films for
Speaker 2: a while that have demon in the title, but we
Speaker 2: shall see. It was just just happenstance here because I
Speaker 2: knew that Demon Warp was about to come out in
Speaker 2: this Blu Ray edition and you happen to pick Demon
Speaker 2: Pond prior to that. So it's just what the universe
Speaker 2: wanted from us.
Speaker 3: Beautiful coincidence. So for next week, Demon Seed starring Julie Christie,
Speaker 3: it is maybe not.
Speaker 2: I know some people have asked for that one. We'll see.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I have my doubts about
Speaker 3: whether I want to watch it.
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