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Speaker 2: Hunt's let's go Giants. Dont on my Giants, give me

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Speaker 1: Let's roll. Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 1: New York Football Giants. I am John Schmelck. We're joined

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Speaker 1: now by an extended member of the Giants family. He

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Speaker 1: was the head honcho over a serious XM Sports ran

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Speaker 1: the entire sports department. But for our conversation, former Giants

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Speaker 1: radio producer Steve Cohen from beautiful Florida, where you got

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Speaker 1: a ceiling fan on, I got a blizzard outside of

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Speaker 1: my window. I am envying you right now, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, yeah, it's pretty though. I'm enjoying it

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Speaker 2: far far more from Florida than I am from your office.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess that's the big first snowstorm of

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Speaker 2: the year for you guys. So hopefully the kids and

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Speaker 2: folks will enjoy it. Hopefully people didn't have to commute today.

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Speaker 2: Uh got a little break and so just be careful obviously,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, it's it's nice to look at from here.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, my daughter built a snowman this morning. My wife

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Speaker 1: now or have a little bit of fun, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll go sledding once everything is set it so it'll

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Speaker 1: be a very busy day for me. I'll be like

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Speaker 1: I had two full workouts by the time this day

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Speaker 1: She's been dying to go out there and do this.

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Speaker 2: So that's great. Enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: I will. But let's talk some football force here, Steve.

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Speaker 1: You said you were out there in Vegas. You've been

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Speaker 1: years and years. How is this year similar? How is

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Speaker 1: this year different being in Vegas for the first time.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, over the years, it's really developed from radio

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Speaker 2: row to media row. I mean, you've got TV networks

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Speaker 2: there and we're like, my god, I can't believe that

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Speaker 1: Things changed fast, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the NFL as a whole, you know,

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Speaker 2: they didn't embrace fantasy football at first. I was like

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Speaker 2: the first fantasy football writer for NFL dot Com. And

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Speaker 2: then eventually they started to embrace that. And then I

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Speaker 2: then next thing you know, the Raiders are are moving

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Speaker 2: I thought it was the greatest thing ever because it

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Speaker 2: was the first time the Raiders ever owned their stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, Mark Davis made more money last year than

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Speaker 2: the Raiders as a whole had had made in their

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Speaker 2: entire history. Think about that. Oakland, LA rentals facilities not great.

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Speaker 2: Now they have a state of the art facility, beautiful,

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Speaker 2: You know, it was funny because I'm not a gambler,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: And you check the box on your Vegas gambling experience? Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it just listen. The beauty of

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Speaker 2: shows are amazing, right, music, acts and all those great things.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. And this week the big show was you

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Speaker 2: You know, he's making some money off the NFL, even

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Speaker 1: It's funny how it goes bad. Yeah, I was going

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Speaker 1: But why don't we do that first, Beau. We're already

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a couple of things, right. You

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Speaker 2: Like you know, for instance, you know common sense, if

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Speaker 2: but back then, John, you know, when I was at

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Speaker 2: I do the injuries, and I was doing research for

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Speaker 2: and he's very kind about it. But with all that said,

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Speaker 2: But it was great. It was great. I enjoyed it

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Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned Jay Glazer and for people that

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Speaker 2: Well, it really is. You know, he interned with us

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as much as we see that he does know

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, speaking of stories, you mentioned you were the

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Speaker 2: that you can get through the web and YouTube and

433
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Speaker 2: all that that are phenomenal, but you got to kind

434
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Speaker 2: of do the work now. So the thing for us

435
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Speaker 2: is programmers, and we've been programming a long time, is

436
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Speaker 2: you've got to understand this generation, the younger generation, right,

437
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: the newest consumers just out of college, a few years

438
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 2: out of college. These folks didn't grow up listening to radio.

439
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Speaker 2: They grew up with whatever came out of this simply

440
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Speaker 2: put dreams, streams, streams, Okay, so if you want them,

441
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Speaker 2: you got to fish where the fish are. Well. Isn't

442
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Speaker 2: it an amazing that the Sunday Ticket one year after

443
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Speaker 2: going to a streaming service had twice as many subscribers.

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Speaker 2: Ah well, brilliant, right of course, because they fished with

445
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Speaker 2: the fish were simply put. So a lot of sports,

446
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: you know, they say about the NBA, I just tuned

447
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: in for the last two minutes of the game. That's

448
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Speaker 2: all you need to see, all right. Some people feel

449
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Speaker 2: that way. Others are like, I just need to see

450
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Speaker 2: the highlights to know what's going on. Okay, that's up

451
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Speaker 2: to you. So every sports fan is kind of different,

452
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Speaker 2: but the landscape has really really changed. And so, you know,

453
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Speaker 2: the hard thing for me at serious was, as you're programming,

454
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Speaker 2: and I did the Tailgate show this year, which was

455
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Speaker 2: a lot of fun, but I said to my co

456
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Speaker 2: host Robert Turbot, I said, you don't Turbot, I said,

457
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Speaker 2: here's the thing. Most of these fans are tuning in

458
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Speaker 2: to hear just about their team and their game. Yes,

459
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Speaker 2: we need to do rapid fire, fast paced two mench

460
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Speaker 2: on each game and whip through all these games with

461
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Speaker 2: pertinent information and all that. And so we kind of

462
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Speaker 2: changed the format to do that this year, and I

463
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Speaker 2: think it worked really well over the course of the

464
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Speaker 2: three hour show. But a lot has change. I'm not

465
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Speaker 2: going to say all for the better, right, I'm not

466
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Speaker 2: going to say that because I got spoiled on ESPN's

467
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Speaker 2: Monday Night talent that they put up on before the game.

468
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Speaker 2: Telling ain't there anymore. It's the same guys I'll see

469
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Speaker 2: Monday through Friday that are there. You know, they're not

470
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Speaker 2: flying Randy Moss in form Monday Night anymore. I don't

471
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Speaker 2: know why Alex Smith is only on a Sunday one

472
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Speaker 2: of the best people they have. But that's what you

473
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Speaker 2: get to get what you pay for, you know. And

474
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying any of these other guys. You I

475
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Speaker 2: think SVP is great, who is great and worked for us.

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Speaker 2: I'm not an RG three fan, Okay. He called Jason

477
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Speaker 2: Kelcey the best center in the history of the game

478
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Speaker 2: the other day. What you have a cee, Mike Webster,

479
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Speaker 2: Dwight Stevenson, any number of other centers, great all time player.

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Speaker 2: But please don't go there, please.

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Speaker 1: And no look see if I'm with you, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and then you mentioned podcasts, right, you know, the old

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Speaker 1: thing that I've been being told for ten years is

484
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Speaker 1: that radio's dying. Radio is dying. An yeah, maybe terrestial

485
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Speaker 1: radio isn't what it used to be. But all podcasts

486
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Speaker 1: are is recorded radio that people can pick and choose

487
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Speaker 1: what they want, right, And I think it's turned into

488
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Speaker 1: a great avenue for you know, people to be able

489
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Speaker 1: to still do radio, except even if it's not on

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Speaker 1: the actual radio. And it also gives a lot of

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Speaker 1: these kids that are coming up in the industry. You know,

492
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Speaker 1: when we were coming up, there was no YouTube or

493
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Speaker 1: podcast where you could record stuff and put it on

494
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Speaker 1: the internet and get reps. These guys now you can

495
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Speaker 1: just get reps and create your own thing. It's it's

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Speaker 1: I think for the industry. Podcasts have just been a

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Speaker 1: really nice addition.

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Speaker 2: Podcasts are wonderful, okay, and you can do a lot

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Speaker 2: of different things with podcasts. Me the best podcast of

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Speaker 2: the documentary style podcasts. You know, we won Best Sports

501
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Speaker 2: Podcast of the Year two years in a row. One

502
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Speaker 2: of those podcast series was nine to eleven in Sports

503
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Speaker 2: twenty years Later, which is very thoughtful, very well done.

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Speaker 2: But documentaries are heavy lift, and we were really proud

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Speaker 2: of the work we did there. But other folks who

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Speaker 2: were doing podcast calling them podcasts right, going on doing

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Speaker 2: forty five minutes on sports right and see, as you know,

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Speaker 2: sports talk is here today, outdated tomorrow. So I want

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Speaker 2: to call that a podcast, You want to call that

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Speaker 2: a one day cast that's outdated a day later. I

511
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Speaker 2: don't know, but I'll tell you what. It made it

512
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Speaker 2: difficult for me to hire people because some of these

513
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Speaker 2: podcast folks were just throwing stupid money at people. So

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Speaker 2: now if I'm paying somebody any number of hundred dollars

515
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Speaker 2: to come to a radio show three hours and they

516
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Speaker 2: can make more than that with a one hour podcast. Well,

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Speaker 2: how do you convince some otherwise, you know, I mean

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Speaker 2: other than saying more times than not, nobody's going to

519
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Speaker 2: hear you unless it's marketed and promoted properly, social media

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Speaker 2: and all these you know, various avenues. So so it

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Speaker 2: made it more difficult for me to hire people, but

522
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Speaker 2: we would. The thing that we had over the podcast

523
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Speaker 2: and continue to have is is when people come to us,

524
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Speaker 2: we'll make you a better broadcast. So we'll work with you.

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Speaker 2: You know, we'll give you feedback. He's giving you feedback

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Speaker 2: for the most part in the podcast world, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's basically Mike John how do I sound great?

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Speaker 2: Go it'ge feedback?

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Speaker 1: some football. Chiefs win again. Patrick Mahomes again. Probably the

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Speaker 1: best first six years of a career for a quarterback

537
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Speaker 1: could be possibly in the history of the league. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's the best quarterback in this really, just

539
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Speaker 1: that it's the start has been maybe the best. What

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Speaker 1: are some of the lessons you took away, not just

541
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Speaker 1: from the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl, but from this

542
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Speaker 1: NFL season as teams like the Giants try to build

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Speaker 1: the right way to become contenders on a consistent basis.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, you know, as as Kevin O'Connell and Brian

545
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Speaker 2: Dabole found out that, you know, people go to work

546
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Speaker 2: on you in the off season, right, you can come

547
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Speaker 2: in and have success first year head coach, but now

548
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Speaker 2: they're going to go to work on you to see

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Speaker 2: what you did, what you did well, he didn't do

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Speaker 2: so well, and and use that to game plan.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Ye, both terrific coaches, by the way, terrific coaches. However,

553
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the Giants, when it comes to

554
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Speaker 2: the vikings, it's all about the quarterback play. You don't

555
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Speaker 2: have a quarterback, you're not going very far, right, So

556
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Speaker 2: so hey, hey, John, sixty quarterbacks, sixty different quarterbacks started

557
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Speaker 2: in the NFL this year. So everybody's gonna sit there

558
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Speaker 2: and say, oh, well, you know, oh the Giants are

559
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Speaker 2: going with Dave Brown. Well that's not enough. You may

560
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Speaker 2: love Dave Brown, you may think he's Dave Brown. Hello.

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Speaker 1: See all my talk about the nineties got in your head.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to duke right now with Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 2: Tommy Cutlets. But hold on you, uh you know that's

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Speaker 2: kind of like a thing in my head, right awhen

565
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Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta revert back to a duke quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I love it anyway, So I love Dan. You know

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Speaker 2: I was high on Daniel Jones coming into this past year, right,

568
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Speaker 2: I don't know what happened he reverted back to the

569
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Speaker 2: other guy that you didn't mean you didn't want to start, right,

570
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Speaker 2: But then you look around, You're like, heez, the offensive

571
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Speaker 2: line is terrible, right, How is he supposed to do

572
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Speaker 2: anything with that offensive line? Is getting a crapp eat

573
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Speaker 2: out of them both when he ran the ball, pass

574
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Speaker 2: the ball. So then you look at the Chiefs most

575
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Speaker 2: of the season, they had the same five guys starting

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Speaker 2: on that offensive line. That's important, right, Look at the

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Speaker 2: Niners stability on the offensive line, right, go to the

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Speaker 2: defensive line for both teams stability. So I don't think

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Speaker 2: we I don't think a lot changes in terms of

580
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Speaker 2: how important the battle of the trenches are. Right, if

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Speaker 2: you don't win, you know, the line of scrimmage, you're

582
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Speaker 2: not going to do very well and it's key, right,

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Speaker 2: So then you try to replenish it and add to it.

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Speaker 2: And the smart teams do that as they, you know,

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Speaker 2: get deeper into the season, Niners, bringing in the Chase

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Speaker 2: Youngs of the world and all that. So it's very important,

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Speaker 2: I think. I think when you look at the Chiefs,

588
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Speaker 2: you look at the last several years, how they built

589
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Speaker 2: their defense through draft picks, that's something to go to

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Speaker 2: work on because they hit on a lot of guys, right,

591
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: they hit on a lot of guys, and these guys

592
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Speaker 2: can all play, and so I think that's really important

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Speaker 2: and that never goes away. And salary cap will always

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Speaker 2: be an issue, but that you know, those are the

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Speaker 2: things that I learned this year and just kind of

596
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Speaker 2: looking at how teams are built. What's important to some

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Speaker 2: teams that aren't you know, that's not as important to

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Speaker 2: other teams, and the different philosophies, right, So, like you

599
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Speaker 2: could sit there as fans and you can scratch your head,

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Speaker 2: why aren't they doing this? Why aren't they doing that?

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Speaker 2: You know, some some some teams just have different philosophies

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Speaker 2: in terms of what they want to do, how do

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Speaker 2: they want to get there? All right, so now we'll

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Speaker 2: take a look at the Chiefs, right, giants are talking

605
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Speaker 2: about what they want in the draft this year. They

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Speaker 2: want a quarterback? Do they want a wide receiver? They

607
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Speaker 2: want an offensive tackle? Right? Definitely need all three? Right,

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Speaker 2: but the who the Chiefs have a wide receiver this

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Speaker 2: year they want? They won a Super Bowl. They have

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Speaker 2: rookie Rashi Rice. It was pretty good. Huh, all right,

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Speaker 2: guy they took last year, you know Sky Moore, he

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Speaker 2: and Peter drop yet Okay, kind of missed on that guy.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if he's ever going to be anything. And

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Speaker 2: then you bring in guys. You got the Valdez Scantlings

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Speaker 2: and and and you know a couple other guys. You know,

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Speaker 2: you look at Mkole Hardman, Justin Watson, right like, just

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Speaker 2: you're not going to tell me any three of those

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Speaker 2: guys are head and sh is better than Darius Slayton, Right, No,

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Speaker 2: these are all betteran guys that you hope you can

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Speaker 2: rely on.

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Speaker 1: Rights Kelsey helps that a little bit too, obviously.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got it right. But the thought was Darren

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Speaker 2: Waller was going to be your Kelsey when he traded

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Speaker 2: for him. Right. The problem with Darren Waller is like

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Speaker 2: Bill Parcells used to call about frequently injured you know,

626
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Speaker 2: he used to call frequently injured players Jaguars, why because

627
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Speaker 2: they were in the shop more than they were on

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Speaker 2: the field. So is is Darren a Jaguar? Or is

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Speaker 2: he going to play for the Giants? You know, I

630
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Speaker 2: think regardless, you need to get yourself another tight end

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Speaker 2: because you don't know what you get next year, you hope.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when he's healthy, he's a terrific player. Terrific player,

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Speaker 2: and I know that as a Raider fan, and he

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Speaker 2: has been healthy most of his career. To be honest

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Speaker 2: with you, guys don't get healthier as they get older,

636
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Speaker 2: they stop breaking down. You gotta worry about them. You

637
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Speaker 2: got to have backup plans. And I thought the Giants

638
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Speaker 2: did a good job with some of the younger tid

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Speaker 2: ends that they brought into.

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Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 3: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

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Speaker 3: you ready for all that life brings?

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00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

645
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Bellinger's done a nice job for them.

646
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned the quarterback spot because you're right,

647
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, for the fans that are old enough and

648
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: people like me and you who covered it. You know,

649
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: Andy Reid used to be the guy that couldn't get

650
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: over the top, right, and he couldn't win the big game.

651
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: He always was the was the bridesmaid, never the bride.

652
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: And it's amazing when you get Patrick Mahomes, that tends

653
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: to change, you know. And that's nothing against Donovan McNab

654
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: who was an excellent player in Philadelphia, but he ain't

655
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, right, It's funny how that changes. So as

656
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: the Giants try to figure out this quarterback spot, you're right,

657
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: they like Daniel Jones. Two neck injuries in acl. Joe

658
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: Shane has said in his press conferences postseason, you need

659
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: to add a quarterback here, at least one who knows,

660
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: maybe more. What do you think the best avenue here, Steve,

661
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: is it a veteran to kind of hold a fourth

662
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: down in case he's not healthy to back him up,

663
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: or do you want to get a developmental guy now

664
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: maybe not at six if the first three picks or quarterbacks,

665
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: Like we're all thinking it's going to be right, But

666
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: how important is it do you think to add a

667
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: developmental quarterback this year, whether it's in the second round,

668
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: third round, or moving up in the back end of

669
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: the first something like that.

670
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the question, is de veto your developmental quarterback?

671
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: Did he show enough this year? I'm not sure about that,

672
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: to be honest.

673
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: Well, he's not a finished product, young kid, right, so

674
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: you know, give him a clipboard, let him watch what's

675
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: going on, let him work out, let him, you know,

676
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: see competition in practice. Let's see where he goes. Because

677
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: none of these guys come into the league of finished product. Right,

678
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: And people that I know who saw Tommy in college

679
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: said a much better player than the Tommy we saw

680
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: at the two schools he played in college. Oh right, sure, yeah, absolutely,

681
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: So give them time to develop, right, kind of you know,

682
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: kind of Tony Romo esque from that standpoint, right, undrafted

683
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: the whole nine yards, Giants are gonna have a tough

684
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: decision to make here in terms of the first round. However,

685
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: they have two second round picks. I believe you can

686
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: get a guy in the second round too. I think

687
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: fans placed way too much on first round picks in

688
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: terms of, you know, they're in the first round, what

689
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: are they going to get there? Tell right now, Giants

690
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: could trade out of the spot they're in right now.

691
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 2: I know a team that would trade up for Jayden

692
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: Daniels in a heartbeat.

693
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: In a heartbeat, that happens to be in Las Vegas.

694
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: In Las Vegas, they may have had a head coach

695
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: who was also at Arizona State when Jayden was there.

696
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: So so there's some decisions that need to be made.

697
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: You know, do you get the stud wide receiver out

698
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: of LSU? Do you take Alt the big tackle from

699
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. If they took Alt, they won't miss on him,

700
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: all right, He's going to be a real good player

701
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: for a long time. So so we'll see where he

702
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: ends up going. But again, there's a lot of things

703
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: you need more of, right and and so. But I

704
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: think you know, building in the in the in the

705
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: trenches there, both on the offensive line, defensive line. I

706
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: think you got some players at the skill positions. Now

707
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: Robinson came back from his his ACL he'll be even

708
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: better next year. Started to flash make some plays. I

709
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: think Hyatt is going to be a terrific receiver for

710
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: the Giants for a long time. And I think he's

711
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: a guy that can take the top off a defense.

712
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: He so I'm doing at Tennessee. IM just not sure

713
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: you had the quarterbacks to get him the ball this

714
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: year the way you wanted to get it to them.

715
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: So Brian's got a lot to work with. But you

716
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: got to hit on these draft picks now, and you

717
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: got to, you know, replenish where he can. I think

718
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: the Giants right now, before they get rid of some

719
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: some players, they have like over thirty five million in

720
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: cap space something like that, and that could increase to

721
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: over fifty million. It's a lot of money to spend,

722
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: you know. So I don't think it takes a lot

723
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 2: to go from the outhouse to the penthouse in the NFL, right,

724
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I see the Giants making them moves and

725
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: getting right back into the playoffs next year, And you know,

726
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: you look around their division commanders. Who knows what you're

727
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: going to get next year? Right? Eagles? They got to

728
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: say one once that once that team stalled, it was

729
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: all downhill. Players starting to question each other and losing confidence,

730
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, poor coordinators, the whole nine yards, and then

731
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: they're head coach. I'm listening to as press conference after

732
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: the year, we need to bring in some we need

733
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: to bring in some new coaches is to give us

734
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: some new ideas. And when I heard that, I'm like,

735
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: I don't think Belichick's ever said that. I don't think

736
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: parcel them that. I don't think Lombardi's ever said that.

737
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think many great head coaches have

738
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: ever talked about the ideas that people are going to

739
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: bring into their building. Why because they're the head coaches, right,

740
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: So I don't know what's going to go on in Philadelphia.

741
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens there. And then there's the Cowboys.

742
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: You know, that's got to be tough for the Cowboys,

743
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: that you have a wonderful season and all that, and

744
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: then you'd get your butts kicked at home in the

745
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: first playoff game.

746
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: When you haven't lost a home game since the first

747
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: game of twenty twenty two.

748
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: That's a tough thing, you know, John, I talk about

749
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: this a lot. Everybody gets into analytics and analytics and hellalytics.

750
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: You know, when it comes to the psychology game. You're

751
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: not going to find it in analytics. Right. The things

752
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: you need to do in the game from a psychological standpoint,

753
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: things like momentum, you're not going to find in analytics,

754
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: you know. So there's a human aspect to this that

755
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: will never be found in analytics. So run all the

756
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: numbers you want. But then there's a common sense factor

757
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: too that people like Dan Campbell need to figure out. Right,

758
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: Niners come out, open up third quarter, drive, kick a

759
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: field goal, right, feeling good about themselves, and then you drive.

760
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: Now you can negate those three points by kicking a

761
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: field goal. So what do you do now, let's go

762
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: for it all fourth down? Oh okay, you just juiced

763
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: up the Niners and added to their momentum and then

764
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: they proceeded to beat you and go to the Super Bowl.

765
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: So good luck with the analytics. We sometimes you just

766
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: kind of use your head a little bit.

767
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: So all right, final two questions. See before we say goodbye,

768
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: you've made you're a big Raider fan. Antonio Pierce love AP.

769
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: I did shows with him at the Giants for years.

770
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: We're friends. I was really excited to see him get

771
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: the job as a Raider fan. Is that what you

772
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: wanted to happen as well. Were you happy with it?

773
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I went out to Vegas to see

774
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: Raiders Jets. My friends talked me into it, right, two

775
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Raider fans, two Jet fans, so and I really enjoyed it.

776
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: When I watched that game, I looked and I'm watching

777
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: and I'm saying, yeah, he's not ready to be the

778
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: head coach. But then you give him five plus games

779
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: to learn how to be a head coach, what to

780
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: do situational football, right the clock, things like that. He

781
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: got better and better and better every week, highlighted by

782
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: them going into Kansas City and beating the Chiefs at Arrowhead.

783
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: Like Andy Reid gave the Raiders credit after the game.

784
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: He said, look that she whacking kind of woke us

785
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: up a little bit. He said. He texted Ap during

786
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: the week and he said, thanks for kicking our butt.

787
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: It kind of got us to where we are.

788
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: Well, they literally did, because you know, Zamir White ran

789
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: for one hundred and fifty yards in the game and

790
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: he's the backup running back. Yeah, Jush Jacobs uz Ou,

791
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: So you know, I kind of thought the Niners would

792
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: take that game plan a little bit, but for some

793
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: reason they didn't. You know, Christian ended up running the

794
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: wall twenty two times. But nah, that wasn't what they

795
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: needed to do. It wasn't what they needed to do anyway,

796
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: I digrice, we're gonna give him a chance. I'm glad.

797
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: I'm glad because if the two best players on your

798
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: team absolutely loved the coach and ready to run through

799
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: a wall for this guy, and this guy came in

800
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: and he beat Kansas City and Arrowhead, why not let

801
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 2: him develop? I mean, I didn't want John Gruden coming

802
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: back as the Raider coach, all right. So you know,

803
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: I was having this conversation with a friend who's really

804
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: proven that you're gonna go bring in and you know

805
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: this this defensive coordinator or this defensive cordator, this one

806
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: time head coach and getting another chance, who's proven that

807
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: you're going to bring in. You know, the flavor of

808
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: the week used to be the hot flash college coaches.

809
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: Then we saw these guys come in and fall flat

810
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: on their faces and and all that. But if you

811
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: get a guy that comes in and he proves himself

812
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: over the course of the time he's out there doing

813
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: the job, let him keep going. Let him keep going.

814
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: I like that, you know, to LESCo they brought in

815
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: as a general manager. And why do I like Telesco

816
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: Because with the Chargers he already he always drafted the

817
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: players I wanted the Raiders to draft. Okay, so Raiders

818
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: don't draft linebackers. The LESCo drafts linebackers. Great, so we'll

819
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: let him work a little bit. You know, I wanted

820
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: Derwin James so badly, and the Raiders didn't take him.

821
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: The Chargers did. Unfortunately for the Chargers, they a head coach.

822
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: You didn't know how to use him. That guy should

823
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: be used like Troy Polamalo, up around the line of scrimmage,

824
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 2: not twenty yards back playing zone. So we'll see what happens.

825
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: But I'm very excited as a Raider fan. We also

826
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: need a quarterback. Our developmental guy started most of the season,

827
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: Aidan O'Connell. Let's see where he develops, see what he becomes.

828
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: But I also want to have a guy that's a

829
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: bit mobile, the guy that can create. In all his

830
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: previewing the game the other day, I said, look, here's

831
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: the thing about Patrick Mahons, and I say, this is

832
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: a raid of fan watching Max Crosby going against them

833
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: twice twice a year, You're rarely going to get him

834
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: at the first attempt. It's your second time trying to

835
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: get him that you're going to get him, you know.

836
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: So that's the big key. You got to have quarterbacks

837
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: who can give themselves another time to enough time to

838
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: elude that first wave of pass rush get the ball off.

839
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying everybody's going to be a Patrick Mahomes,

840
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: but you know, that was the thing about Brady. He

841
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: had great pocket presence, great feel, knew how to slide,

842
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: how to climb a pocket, create time for himself. You know,

843
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: it's something every quarterback has to learn.

844
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: All right, Final questions, Dave. Offseason is now coming fast

845
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: and furious. What are your top couple of stories that

846
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: you're keeping an eye on this offseason that will help

847
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: mold what the NFL looks like in twenty twenty four.

848
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be interesting with all the new

849
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: hires around the league. Now you've got Jim Haball going

850
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: to San Diego and Giants lost their tight ends coach

851
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: to Jim. He went out there and I really think

852
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: they're going to take Brock Bowers in the first round

853
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: who I think will be an all world tight end

854
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: for them and make my life as a rate of

855
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: fan miserable, like tight ends that preceded him, Gates and

856
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Speaker 2: all that. But so that bears watching. You know the

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Speaker 2: thing about Antonio pires now he's going into he's gonna

858
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Speaker 2: face basically three Hall of Fame type coaches and Peyton,

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Speaker 2: Reid and Hawball.

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Speaker 1: You know, not to mention Mahomes and Herbert. It isn't

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Speaker 1: exactly the best division to be in long term.

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Speaker 2: No, no, And believe me, I think the Broncos are

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Speaker 2: going to find themselves a nice quarterback in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I'll be just so.

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Speaker 2: But but you know, those are the things I'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to. It's gonna be weird seeing New England without Belichick.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be weird without seeing Pete Carroll on the sideline.

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Speaker 2: For the Seattle Seahawks, you know that's a team that

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Speaker 2: can be really good. If they add some pieces, they

870
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Speaker 2: can be really good. I want to see the Packers

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Speaker 2: next year. They got to be excited. They have a

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Speaker 2: quarterback in Jordan Love right again, fans look at that

873
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Speaker 2: the patients. You wait for a guy to grow, give

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Speaker 2: him a chance, Okay, you know, old guys like me,

875
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Speaker 2: All of the quarterbacks we loved didn't play as rookies.

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Speaker 2: We watched them grow, you know, and so so I

877
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Speaker 2: think that's gonna be fun. But John, I got you know,

878
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Speaker 2: there are a lot of teams that are not very

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Speaker 2: far off. You know, what's Mike McDaniel going to learn

880
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: as the Dolphins head coach? You know, brilliant guy, right,

881
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Speaker 2: but the things there's some things he's got to learn

882
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Speaker 2: to take his team to the next level. And and

883
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Speaker 2: as a shame would happen to them because they just

884
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Speaker 2: couldn't stay healthy on defense and made a lot of

885
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Speaker 2: great moves. So this, yeah, that's a that's a that's

886
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Speaker 2: a question that will be probably take me an hour

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Speaker 2: to answer as I go around the league. But uh,

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see where's where's Justin Field's going to

889
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Speaker 2: be next year. Who's going to spend a second round

890
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Speaker 2: pick to trade for Justin Fields? Right? Don't think it'll

891
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Speaker 2: be the Raiders. And then you know there are some

892
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Speaker 2: guys we may have forgotten about. You know, Cowboys need

893
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Speaker 2: to make some decisions on their two backup quarterbacks. Who

894
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Speaker 2: are they going to pay, who are they going to keep.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think Cooper Rush can play and the

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Speaker 2: kid from North Dakota State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, nobody's really panned out from that draft in

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Speaker 2: terms of being a quarterback, including Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Trevor Lawrence is still waiting for that step.

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Speaker 1: We thought it was going to come after the big

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Speaker 1: comeback winning the playoffs, right, but then it never did

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: No, he was he was not good. He was average

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Speaker 2: at best. So so we'll see. But there's a lot

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Speaker 2: to look forward to and looking forward to the draft

907
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Speaker 2: and the combine. So it's exciting. John.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're leaving for Indy in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: I always love going out there every year. Tell the

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Speaker 1: folks to have anything you want to let them know

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Speaker 1: about that you're doing under your up to do anything you

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Speaker 1: want to promote. The floor is yours, take it away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not much. I mean, I'm, you know, basically

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00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: started my own company and I'm talking to a couple

915
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Speaker 2: of different companies now about going in and working for them,

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, it's not like the olden days where

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Speaker 2: I'd promote my injury service or promote serious XM. I'm

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Speaker 2: leaving Surrey sexm at the end of this month. It's

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Speaker 2: been a wonderful twenty years. We've created some great things,

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Speaker 2: and you know, now I'm looking to have some fun

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Speaker 2: for the rest of my career here and some exciting

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Speaker 2: things that I'm looking at and hoping to put my

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Speaker 2: stamp on. And yeah, it's all good. And I miss

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Speaker 2: a lot of my friends in the Giants organization. I

925
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: keep in touch with a lot of them. And then

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Speaker 2: a lot of those guys spread out around the country

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Speaker 2: and i'd see them at the you know, so Avis

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Speaker 2: Roper at the super Bowl and so Kevin Cooper at

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl, and it's always great to see my

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Speaker 2: friends from the Giants. And yeah, hopefully I'll come out

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Speaker 2: to camp this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd love to have you, Steve. This was really fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy we had a chance to do it. Good

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Speaker 1: luck with it with whatever comes next for you, and

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Speaker 1: let's talk soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks John, it's good to see. Congratulations on all your

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Speaker 2: success and keep up the great work.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Steve. I really appreciate that. That's a

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Speaker 1: Giants Litle podcast presented by Citizens, the Official Bank of

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Speaker 1: the Giants. Poor Steve coming. I'm John Schamil, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Everybody