1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: What's a Boucher Happy Hour listeners, I cannot believe we 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: have reached the end of paradise. It seems at times 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: it was a long time coming, and at times it 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: seems like it just absolutely flew by. But Tia, I 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: am so glad that you have been here by my 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: side to recap each and every week. I couldn't have 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: done this without you. Oh it definitely might it go 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: by a way better. It's bitter sweet. It has been 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: so nast doing this with you, and I'm so excited 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: for our guests today. I know, I can't wait. We 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: have the happily engaged couple, Joe and Serena, the King 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: and Queen themselves hopping down very shortly. But until then, 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: Tea and I have to go over I mean absolutely 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: everything that went down in this finale, because it was 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: a long one. It was three hours. I did two. 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: It was emotional. It was good, It truly was. And 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm not really that much of a crier, but seeing 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: these three couples who are not only in love, but 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: who have become close friends and like family of ours, 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: it was really special because I mean, you and I 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: were there with them day in and day out, for 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: most of the time until that very last day, and obviously, 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: like since then, we've talked to them, we've been able 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: to hear their side, but until you're actually watching it 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: back and witnessing what they say to each other and 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: seeing the guys get down on one knee. I had 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: chills so many times I was steering up, I was 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: holding mine on the couch, just squeezing her so tight. 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: It was so special to see it in person, up close, 30 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: but also to see those sweet moments that we wouldn't 31 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: get to see otherwise. It was a bitter sweet for 32 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: me to leave single, of course, and with you and 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Thomas having your ending, but I'm honestly, so so happy 34 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: for all the couples that left together. It's just so 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: nice to see and so amazing to see this franchise 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: work because I know it can it did it did 37 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: It's I remember that last and well not even the 38 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: last day, like you and I had already left Mexico 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: and one of the producers, one of my friends, texted 40 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: me and all she sent one of the three diamond emojis, 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, shut the front door. Three engagements, 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: because you know, you never know, like we all knew 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: how strong all three of those last couples were, but 44 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: you get down to that day and you don't know. 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: One of the couples could have had cold feed. So 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: I was maybe expecting two couples to get engaged, not 47 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: all three. So when I got that text, I think 48 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: I was on the airplank because I had a super 49 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: long delay coming back to the Midwest. I think I screamed. 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: I think I next to me on the plane was like, 51 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: what the hell. I know Serena wasn't expecting it either. 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: I feel like Serena was like I would actually be 53 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: shocked if Joe proposed. So just seeing it all play 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: out was so special. And let's just get into those 55 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: last moments because obviously we'll have Joe and Serena on 56 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: to pick their brains and to kind of relive that 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: last day. But you and we were friends with Kendall, 58 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: and we had no idea that she was still there. 59 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: We had no idea she had been in Mexico since 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: she left and that she went down that last day. 61 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: I had texted her when I got my phone back, 62 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: and I didn't hear from her for a couple days, 63 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, what the heck, like is she 64 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: just does? She just need time away from the franchise? 65 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: What's going on? And then she texted me a few 66 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: days after that and was like, so I stayed till 67 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: the end of had a conversation with Joe And I 68 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: was like, no, way, what And so she was probably 69 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: sitting in her room for a week waiting longer than 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: a week. Yeah, yeah, I really didn't know what she 71 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: was going to say. I was like, she's either gonna 72 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: give her blessing or just be like, hey, I'm still 73 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: into you, don't do this. And I had to watch, 74 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: like through my fingers. I was going, yeah, I just 75 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: knowing Kendall though, I know how hard it is, and 76 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: she's such a strong woman and she she never wants 77 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: to do, I think, burden anyone else. And I think 78 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: she is so respectful that she as hard as it 79 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: was for her to fully and completely let Joe and 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: what they had in their past relationship go. I think 81 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: in her heart of heart, she knew it was the 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: right thing to do, and she just you know, I know, 83 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: walking down that day, people thought like she was there 84 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: to break up this engagement and break up Joe and 85 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: Serena and I don't think that was her intention. I 86 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: really think she just went to give her full blessing 87 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, here you go, my little bird, 88 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: now fly right. And I'm glad Joe didn't get too 89 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: distracted either, because I know that can rattle you a 90 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: little bit to see someone you had something so long 91 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: and special with right before you're going to propose. Oh lord, 92 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: I can't imagine, But Joe handled it well. I also 93 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: actually did love Serena's reaction when they were standing up 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: there on that in those last moments and Joe's like, yeah, actually, 95 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, my action showed up and Serena's like what 96 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: are you lying? Like are you kidding? But it was 97 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: sweet because her first reaction was to see if he 98 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: was okay, you know, not how she was feeling. But 99 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: she was like, are you doing okay? How are you? 100 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: And I thought that was really sweet. It just as 101 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: a testament to who they are as a couple in 102 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: their relationship and how much they care about each other. 103 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, seeing all of those couples have those 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: last conversations in the fantasy suits with something really special, 105 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean we saw two seconds of all of it. 106 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure they had so much more time to just 107 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: talk and unwind and like really let loose of everything 108 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: they had wanted to talk about. I mean, I remember 109 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: the fantasy sweets, how important they were. Um. Right, so 110 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: it's a pivotal moment. But I mean the entire episode 111 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: was filled with so much like we started, and we 112 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: see that breakup take place, We see Abigail, you know, 113 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of breakdown. Um, it's like, I mean, cats out 114 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: of the bag. Now they're happy they're back together. That 115 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: at the end, I want to get into the epilogue two. 116 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: But before that, let's just go through everything. Yeah, So 117 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: we kick off still at from Abigail and Noah leaves separate. 118 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: They left early. I really waking up the next day 119 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: and it just felt obviously each week the group gets 120 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: smaller and smaller, but it just felt really somber that morning. Obviously, 121 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: Dn and Calem came in and said that Paradise is done. 122 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: You have big decisions to be made. But even before 123 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: that conversation took place, like the beach felt weird. Right, Yeah, 124 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: Well we went into a ROAs ceremony too, didn't we 125 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: The next day? Oh yeah, that was the day where 126 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: it was like very quiet. You don't know what was 127 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: such a paraster. Noah was always laughing and like the loud, 128 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: fun funny one out of the group, and so to 129 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: not have them there it just felt really bizarre. Kind 130 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: of Yeah, and the cocktail party was canceled too, and 131 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: Wells comes in and it's like, Okay, this is the 132 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: end of paradise. You need to have serious conversations. And 133 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I just got a rose from this buffoon 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: errand and you think we're gonna have serious conversations and 135 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: then Paradise is gonna be over, Like what is actually 136 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: going on? That was such that last week for you 137 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: team was so random. You've been through the ringer. You 138 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: were just up and down and all over the place. 139 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: But you kept such a good sense of humor. I 140 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: mean like even until the last day, the very last 141 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: conversation you and Aaron had, I yelled the pants on. 142 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: I was ready for my fly. I'm like, can someone 143 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: book me a flight out of here? I'm ready to go. 144 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have this serious conversation. You were ready to 145 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: break up with him. All of us girls were chatting. 146 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm 147 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: gonna end things. I'm gonna tell me he's a nice 148 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: guy and that I wish him the best, but like 149 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: we're just not for each other. And then all of 150 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, like he runs in and pulls you a 151 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: whole seven feet and I remember sitting there watching it, 152 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: and we can, all of us girls, you were like, 153 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: what the hell you're doing this right now? It was 154 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: the fastest conversation, and watching Aaron and James sleeve together, 155 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: we were like, this makes sense. This was the entire 156 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: season that actually was and they were happy for it 157 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: to happen, and we like, no one was really shocked 158 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: that that happened. Of course, it's like funny and comedic 159 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: and we're all like, what the hell just happened. But 160 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't think any of us were like, oh, we 161 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: can't believe that. No, it wasn't shocking, not at all, 162 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: not at all. All you can do is laugh. Had 163 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: you and Thomas split or I was, no, we were 164 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: one of the last breakups, so they showed it at first, 165 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: but him and I went last. So Anna and James 166 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: had already had their conversation. You and Aaron had already 167 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: quickly exchanged seven words. Yeah, so you were gone and 168 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting Thomas to come pull me when he did. 169 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to have way more time 170 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: because I was so up and down of like what 171 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: the hell am I going to do right now? How 172 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: do I even approach this conversation? And so I was 173 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: really kind of shocked when he pulled me. It was 174 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: just such a weird day. I feel like my headspace 175 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: was so off. Obviously we see me and things with him. 176 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: It was really tough. I know it showed that conversation 177 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: seemed very brief, like it didn't seem that long, but 178 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: we actually talked for quite some time. Well, Yer serious 179 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: at the end, it feels very real, and you have 180 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: gone through this process multiple times before, and you're like, hey, 181 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: if I'm not one hundred percent sure, I'm not doing this, 182 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: And I'd totally get it. And I think Joe made 183 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: a comment to about you had two very public breakups 184 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: and it's just scary to think about having to do 185 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: that again. Yeah, And that's something that I was very 186 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: up front the entire time with everyone of like, if 187 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: I don't feel one hundred percent confident in my relationship 188 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: or whatever partner I have in this, like I'm fine 189 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: with choosing myself at the end and leaving, and that's 190 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: it was like this weird. I was like one foot in, 191 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: one foot out. It's like I needed more of him. 192 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: And in that very very last conversation was when I 193 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: actually got that, and I felt like in that moment 194 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: it was too too late. But the one thing, well 195 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: two things that stuck with me was he was like, 196 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't want you to have any what ifs. And 197 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: of course, after him kind of opening it up and 198 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: breaking down and actually really saying how he felt about 199 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: me and about like where he thought a relationship wasn't 200 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: that he wanted to pursue something out of this. That's 201 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: when I was like, oh, like he's actually really like 202 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: serious and wants to do this. But I was already 203 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: like my mind had already been made up. And so 204 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: that's why I ran after him, because I was like, 205 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't want him to think that this was just 206 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: like a quick summer fling and that the feelings weren't there, 207 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: like and when he hugged me goodbye, it was heavy, 208 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: and so I left and he was like half faith 209 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: in me, just like pick me, choose me, half faith 210 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: in us, and no man has ever fought like that before. 211 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: Like usually when you get to the end of a breakup, 212 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, go on your marryway. Like no guy 213 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: has been like pick me, you know, like the scene 214 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: in A Grazing Enemy were like pick me, choose me, 215 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: be with me. That's how it felt. And I was like, oh, okay. 216 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: So I came back to the hotel. I actually tea 217 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: and I had to sleep over that night because I 218 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: was so sad. I got to the hotel and that's 219 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: like when I really broke down after. I just want 220 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: to say, He's not the only one that was emotional. 221 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: You were very emotional. There was black stains on the bed. 222 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: What is this You're like, that's my mess, Garret. I've 223 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: been crying. The bed was soaked. I'm like, my little baby. Yeah, 224 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: so hard on her. Yeah, you see some tough breakups. 225 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean the Enna McKenna one, Oh Mercy. It was like, 226 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: God bless him for trying. I think all of us 227 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: knew it wasn't gonna work out, but you gotta get 228 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: really thought she was gonna or he was gonna convince her. 229 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: He just kept going. I was like, he is gonna 230 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: convince this girl? He's he convinced her to go in 231 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: onto her date. He invited himself on her date. He 232 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: convinced her in that moment. And then yeah, he I 233 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: mean he's good with us where he's such a sweetheart. Um, 234 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: I think ultimately with them though, as she knew, she's like, look, 235 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: I've known you for less than a week. I live 236 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: in Canada, you live in Florida. This isn't gonna work. 237 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, they break up. Obviously James and Anna en 238 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: did things. Didn't see that one coming. No, I thought 239 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: James and Anna were going to try to continue something else. 240 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: I at least say, hey, let's see how this works 241 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: outside of this. I don't think she expected that. So 242 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: those were mainly it for the breakups, and then we 243 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: see the three happy couples. It's just weird thinking that 244 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: it's already done, Like, oh no, it's nuts. It's freaking nuts. 245 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: And just to think too. It is such a short 246 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: period of tim but it's so crazy and cool to 247 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: see these couples get so close and they all said 248 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: I love you, all of them. I know Kenny, I 249 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: wrote down. He said several times he was worried about 250 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: his age gap with Marie and then Raleigh kept messing 251 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: with Marissa. I love that. I was like, I'm gonna 252 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: slap him messing with her like that because he knows 253 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: she stresses the hell out. But Joe string And made 254 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: me cry every time they were on street. Yeah, it's 255 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: just every couple is so different too. It's like they 256 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: all have this really strong love and these great connections 257 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: and relationships, but they're all vastly different. Um And to 258 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: go into I know, I want to talk quickly about 259 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: the whole Kenny Maury age difference because I've seen a 260 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: lot on social media and just out there of people 261 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: just kind of bashing the age difference, and realistically, like Auto, 262 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: there's there's an age difference. Yeah, between I mean a 263 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: lot of the couples on the beach, and like, at 264 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're all adults, Like we 265 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: all pick and choose who we want to be with 266 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: when we want to be with them. Like my parents 267 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: had an eleven wait, a nine year or an eleven 268 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: year they had a big age gap, too close to 269 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: a decade age gap, and they had a beautiful relationship. 270 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: And yea with all of those last three couples, like 271 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: they're all very mature. Even though Serena's only twenty three, 272 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: she is one of the most mature. You would not 273 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: know it, no, exactly well spoken. So yeah, you know, 274 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: age is just a number. It's just it's it's I 275 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: don't think it needs to hinder any sort of relationship. 276 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: But I am glad that Kenny brought it up because 277 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: he did make a good point. He's like, I don't 278 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: want her to feel like she's ever missing out on 279 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: her single twenties and thirties. But Maurice is also very mature, 280 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: She's it's already unconventional anyways, exactly exact. An age gap 281 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: doesn't even mean anything when you get engaged after. This 282 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: is the weirdest social experiment and anyone can ever go through. 283 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: So you know, a ten year age difference is nothing. 284 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: Everything else we go through and it works, and it works. Yes, 285 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: and uh, with that, we'll see firsthand just how much 286 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: it works when we bring Joe and Serena onto Bachelor 287 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: Happy Hour right now. Okay, you're too welcome to Bachelor 288 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: Happy Hour. Serena. We've had you on before, but Joe, 289 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: this is your first time. Ta and I I have 290 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: been raving about you while we've been recapping because you 291 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: guys obviously have been one of the fan favorites of 292 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: this entire season, but we just love the two of 293 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: you so damn much, so we're so excited to have 294 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: you sit down to begin welcome show off at Ring. Serena, 295 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm finally wearing it is so big, like very tiny 296 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: fingers to begin with. That is stunning. You guys look 297 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: put it on. I was like, I have to make 298 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: sure this doesn't slip off because it wasn't size and 299 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: it was so big on my finger and I'm just 300 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: like shaking. You get the design or Joe, did you 301 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: pick it out? I picked that. I didn't pick anything. 302 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: I gave him no guidance or advice, so he did 303 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: really good. We really have pree conversations about engagement rings 304 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: because we just didn't think it was going to happen. Yeah, 305 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: Serena was like, now I'd be shocked if we get engaged, 306 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: and I'm still shocked for a month later. Yeah, because 307 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: Tina were talking, we I think expected Kenny and Murray 308 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: and Marissa and Riley to get engaged. You were as 309 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: like the one on the Fence show. We knew how 310 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: strong you two were together. And how much you cared 311 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: about her. But I don't think we expected you to 312 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: actually get down on one knee. When was that moment 313 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: that last day where it clicked and You're like, yep, 314 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,119 Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm getting that ring and I'm proposing 315 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: to this woman. Yeah. Well, I had said the whole 316 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: time that I wouldn't leave unless I saw a real 317 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: future with someone. So then when we get down to 318 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: like the ending days and we separated after the fantasy suites, 319 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: I was like, I truly think I'm going to spend 320 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: the rest of my life with her. So that was like, 321 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: is it crazy to get engaged? Well, sure it is. 322 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: I mean the idea of getting engaged in a few 323 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: weeks and on national television is crazy. But the whole 324 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: process isn't normal, and it's worked before and it's working again, 325 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: and it just fell right and it felt really romantic, 326 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: so I did it. It was so too that it's 327 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: so authentic and real and it's just the best freaking 328 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: thing ever. It makes my heart so warm. That's you know, Okay, Um, 329 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: I want to get into the last night, the fantasy 330 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: suits and the engagement, but first I want to take 331 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: it back to the very beginning. Because Joe, we knew 332 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: you were going to go to Paradise, we obviously didn't 333 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: quite know how it was going to go the second 334 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: time around for you, And even when I came down 335 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: a week later, you were like, I was ready to 336 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: leave at first. It was really tough. So take us 337 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: back through, walk us through your mindset when you first 338 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: arrived on Paradise, like what ultimately made Do you want 339 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: to come back the second time around? So yeah, I 340 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: would says to go on Paradise. I thought, Okay, well 341 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm single, it worked before. Why not. I've been here before. 342 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: It's going to be fun. I forget what it's like 343 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: to have to talk about your feelings and push yourself 344 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,239 Speaker 1: to have uncomfortable conversations and do all that. Like, I 345 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: completely forgot what that was like. And to see that 346 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: same exact environment where you knew you had fell in 347 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: love before, it is just the trippiest deja vous ever. Yes, yeah, 348 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: it really is. And I call it an ego. I 349 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: was like, I know, I know everyone there, this is 350 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: just gonna be this is gonna be fun for me. 351 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to fall in love like it could happen, 352 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: but it probably won't. And then as soon as I 353 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: got down there, it all came, you know, flooding back, 354 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, this does work, and this 355 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: could work. And then my conversation with Serena, I remember 356 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: like being so flustered and thinking I could fall for 357 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: this girl. And I know what it's like to fall 358 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: for somebody on this show, because it's not it's not 359 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: an easy road. It's not just it's gonna be smooth sounding. 360 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, panics day one, you thought that was serena 361 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: first day day won. Yeah, that's why I That's why 362 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: I was so flustered. If you see in the interviews 363 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: of me, like I should have got my hair, Why 364 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: didn't I cut my hair? All the nonsense was really 365 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: because I I knew I could potentially work with her 366 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: and I was trying to get out of there and 367 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: it did. And it's that not only is the ring huge, 368 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: but your smiles, you guys, you are both just glowing. Um, Joe, 369 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: I want to ask you this because I think you 370 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: and I had a similar mindset where we win and 371 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: we're like we're gonna have fun. We're gonna have you know, 372 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: hot girl, hot boys, summer, enjoy it. I don't think 373 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: either one of us expected to fall like we did, 374 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: or have those strong emotions for somebody else, especially you 375 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: right away. Do you kind of compare? Okay, I've always 376 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: heard people say this, like when they have a baby 377 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: and they go into labor, obviously it's probably the most 378 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: painful experience they could ever go through, but then once 379 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: they have that baby, they're like, oh, it was the 380 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: best thing I've ever done. You kind of forget the 381 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: pain and you just look at like the beauty of 382 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: what it is. Is that kind of would you say 383 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: your mindset going in of like you looked at the 384 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: shiny positive sides and then once you were down there, 385 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: you're like, oh shit, this really could hurt again. Yeah, 386 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I actually did it. We did it 387 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: yesterday where I looked at an old Bachelor in Paradise photo. 388 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: I said, it was so easy being back there, but 389 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: during it, it really wasn't. And that's definitely what I did. 390 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: And I would also say, Becca, you and I are 391 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: very similar and why I think it the process does 392 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: work for us because it only really works when you 393 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: completely let go, and you you just let go and 394 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: you let it happen. And I did that right away, 395 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 1: as you saw in the first episode. If you need 396 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: freaking out right, I think when you go in with 397 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: no expectations, like I think some people go in and 398 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: they're like, I'm gonna find my partner, I'm going to 399 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: get engaged, I'm going to get that ring and all 400 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: the things, and that's where sometimes it goes wrong because 401 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: there's so much pressure and so yeah, when you kind 402 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: of just let go and let it be and take 403 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: it day by day, that's when you're very pleasantly surprised. 404 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of expectations, Serena, when you came in, what were 405 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: your expectations walking through the Gates of Paradise, Because obviously 406 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: you made it very far on Matt's season, so you 407 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: knew that it worked to a certain extent, But what 408 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: did you hope would be the outcome for you when 409 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: you first t put on that beach. I mean, I 410 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: think I definitely went in optimistic. I was for sure 411 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: feeling ready to enter a serious relationship, so I had 412 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: that going for me, But there's obviously that skepticism. I mean, 413 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: I felt that the environment of Paradise, having that unlimited time, 414 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: getting to talk to all these people, like the structure 415 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: of it was probably a little bit more at my 416 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: alley than maybe the structure of the Bachelor was. And 417 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: as much as it didn't work for me on The Bachelor, 418 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: I did make it far enough that I was like, 419 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: this could work for me. But yeah, I kind of 420 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: just went in with an open mind, Like I was like, 421 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: you know what, if I leave single, I don't find 422 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: my person, that's okay. And if I find someone I 423 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: really fall for them, then amazing that'll be that'll be 424 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: great too. But you can't really predict how it's going 425 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: to go until you get down there and you start 426 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: meeting people and actually seeing if there's someone that you 427 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: have that connection with, because I really don't think you 428 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: can force anything. Well, so we obviously know just talking 429 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: to Joe right now that he was smitten with you. 430 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: He was, I would say, caught off guard with how 431 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: he felt right away in that connection. Did you feel 432 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: that right away after talking with him too, or did 433 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: you need some more time, some more conversations to feel 434 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: that spark with him? Choose your words. Watching over there, 435 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: I definitely felt it right away. I mean I would 436 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: say it took us a couple of days, like after 437 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: our first one on one day is I think when 438 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: we were both like, whoa, this would really be something. 439 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: But after our first conversation, I was very smitten. Like 440 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: I think I said in multiple interviews, like I've talked 441 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: to so many people today, there's so many great guys here, 442 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: but Joe's the one that gives me butterflies. I don't 443 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: know what it is, but he gives me that like giddy, nervous, 444 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: excited feeling that I want to have. That. Yeah, I 445 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: hadn't had in a really long time until I talked 446 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: to him. And it's so ironic because he was so 447 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: flustered and just freaking out during her first conversation. But 448 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: I found it so endearing and just very genuine. I 449 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: used that. I used that to my benefit. I knew 450 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: what I was doing right. It was to an extent, 451 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: to an extent, to an extent. Look, I would say, 452 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 1: you were just you were just yourself. Yeah, Like you 453 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: weren't pretending you were fine when you were freaking out. 454 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: You were just like I'm freaking out and I'm being awkward. 455 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: And that's who you are as a person. Yeah, that's 456 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: who I am. Yeah, and I know how Yeah, and 457 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: you just own it. It It was some sort of strategy 458 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: because that I kind of want to just listen. It 459 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: was not. It was definitely not the socks of the sandals. 460 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: I will say that right now. It's a staple. I love, 461 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: my favorite. The first night, the first day, I caught 462 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: my foot on a rush and then my foot was 463 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: rubbing up against the sandal and it was making it 464 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. But then besides that, Okay, the one night 465 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: when we said we were falling in love with each 466 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: other and I wore the long socks and the sandals. 467 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: That night, I took a really nice shower. I was 468 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: really comfortable, and I just wanted to feel like I 469 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: was back at home and the side my feet were 470 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: finally dry, so the socks pulling them up with the sandals, 471 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: and I just felt like, tonight, I'm going to relax. Um, 472 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a nice night. I had something really 473 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: sweet plant for Serena, and I'm gonna feel like I'm 474 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: in my living room opposed to on a beach. And 475 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: how it worked, it worked? Did yeah, lead, It's fine, 476 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: So apparently he was doing something right. Sermon, when you 477 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: saw him walk down with those socks, did you was 478 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: there any part of you that was like, maybe I 479 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: shouldn't tell him I'm falling in love with him in 480 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: this moment. I didn't know, but I didn't know I 481 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: was going to say it, like there was no It 482 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: was very in the moment, but I mean, I wouldn't 483 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: say the socks and sandals helped you. And you know 484 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: that was funny too, That was I didn't know she 485 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: was gonna say it either. I was truly surprised when 486 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: she said it. Yeah. There was definitely like a couple 487 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: beats of silence where he was just like, really, no way, 488 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: and I was like yeah. When he said it back, 489 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: and you were shocked too. You could tell that was 490 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: a sincere real moment and it was so special to watch. 491 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: I've said that about ten Towns already, but it was 492 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: so Yeah, it was. It was definitely special for us 493 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: to watch back because that was a huge moment for 494 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: us and obviously super romantic with the setup and everything 495 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: like that. And I didn't know I was going to 496 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: say it as much as I knew I was feeling it, 497 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: So when it came out, it was like spurred the moment. 498 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: I was crazy nervous to tell him because I genuinely 499 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: didn't know what he was going to say, but I 500 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: kind of just came to terms with like, if he 501 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: doesn't say it back, I took the rest. I put 502 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: myself out there and he knows how I feel. And 503 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: it was just like it was just awesome. She said 504 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: it back, using the word awesome. But that's just I 505 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: was so super But it was, it was. It was 506 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: really romantic. It was a big moment. Yeah, and it was. 507 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: It was very much a real life moment, it felt 508 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: because you know, when you're on these shows, there is 509 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: a lot that um, you know, it's not that the 510 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: show set up, but you like set up the moment 511 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: or you go in there knowing a little bit of 512 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: what you're going to say, and like it was just 513 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: really like, whoa, this is shocking, but okay, yeah, I 514 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: feel it too. What I love about you two and 515 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: Serena you I think you had alluded to this and 516 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: something you said last night after you got engaged of like, 517 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: you two are some of the most logical people on 518 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: that beach, and I think with for me as a 519 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: friend and as a viewer, you guys had this great 520 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: balance of logic and being real versus like you also 521 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: are not versus, but like combined with this romance, and 522 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: I feel like even though you were both kind of 523 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: unsure of where you were at feeling wise, you always 524 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: still landed on the same page and still supported each other, 525 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: and you were always there, whether you knew it, like 526 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: right at the moment or not, you both had this 527 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: safe place to land with each other, which Joe, I 528 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: mean when you say like it was just real, Like 529 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: we felt that because like just the shock and the 530 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: awe and the excitement that you both shared in those 531 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: little moments, not only when you were saying you're falling 532 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: in love with each other, but when you're actually in 533 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: love with each other, which Serena, props to you, girl 534 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: for always beating him to the punch. I'm proud of 535 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: you for that one thing. I really just lost. I 536 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: felt a couple of times this season. Apparently that's what 537 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: happens when you fall in love. It's just like word 538 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: vomit and you just can't keep it, you know, penned up. 539 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: I want to know. And this is something that T 540 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: and I touched on in the recap, is there's not 541 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: only with you two, but with other couples on the 542 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: beach there's been such a conversation around the age difference 543 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: between some of the couples. Is that something that has 544 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: ever bothered you? It seems like from from my standpoint, 545 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: it hasn't. But I'm sure those are conversations you too 546 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: have had, but it wasn't something that ever in the 547 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: back of your mind were like, oh, this is weird 548 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: or are you just like it's good, it's okay. I 549 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: think that the age difference is we've had different perspectives 550 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: on it, Like it hasn't phased you at all, even 551 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: from the beginning. No, I'm almost I'm also very youthful. Um, 552 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: that's I think I am. Yeah, so it doesn't really 553 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: bother me at all. Joe, you you are youthful, but 554 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: you're like this, you have this youth like in a 555 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: grandpa's like curmudgeon body. Sometimes I think, yeah, I don't 556 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: know how to take that a grandpa's curmudgeon body's there's no, 557 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: that's a compliment. I have a phone, I have a 558 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: body like an eighteen year old. No, I would say, honestly, 559 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: age really is just a number and it isn't a 560 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: sure anything. And the way Serena handled my axe coming 561 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: to the beach in such a mature way, and if 562 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: I found it extremely attractive, and I would say I 563 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: am somewhat immature, so I think it like matches up perfectly. 564 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm twelve great, Yeah, I mean 565 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: I would say I've never dated someone eleven years older 566 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: than me. I never expected to. I don't know, in 567 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: outside of Paradise, that's something I would have felt maybe 568 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: comfortable doing. But Paradise really kind of gives you the 569 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to put those details aside, and you're really just 570 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: spending all this time together, like age really does become 571 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: just a number. On the way back from the hotel 572 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: after we got shut down, I remember you thinking, I'm 573 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: gonna have to tell my parents I'm with a man 574 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: that's twelve years older than me. What am I going 575 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: to tell about parents? I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah. That 576 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: was definitely a part of one of many conversations I 577 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: had with them, which I do want to get into, 578 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: because you did make a comment this night after after 579 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: you were already engaged, where you like, my parents are 580 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: gonna kill me. How we'll get into all of the 581 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: details of the engagement, but how has it been Joe 582 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you've met them now, and have they embraced 583 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: this relationship or are they still kind of waiting to 584 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: see how you guys handled the real world? You want 585 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: me to go first? Yeah, okay, Um, I have not them. 586 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: They're lovely people. Um, they're also very logical, real world people. 587 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: So I think it's I think it's hard to completely 588 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: understand it when you when you've never gone through something 589 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: like this. So you know, I'm just like, you know, 590 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: we're here for you. I get it, Like I don't 591 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: expect them to open me with open arms, like we 592 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: love you. You don't know me. So I think it's 593 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: all it's going to take time, and I respect that. Um. 594 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: And I just told them like I love your daughter. 595 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: You know, there's really not much more to it than that. 596 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: But like you know, and yeah, I think my parents 597 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: definitely that I'm happy, I'm in love. I know they're 598 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: going to grow to love Joe also. But yeah, just 599 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: like you said, they're very logical, practical people. And I 600 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: think when they envisioned me getting engaged, they expected to 601 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: be a bigger part of it as you typically would 602 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: be in you know, the real world. I guess you 603 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: could call it but so yeah, it was a shock 604 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: for sure when we told them, but they are so 605 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: loving and so supportive, and yeah, it's just going to 606 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: take a little time for them to get used to. 607 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: I think, well, and it's one thing being able to 608 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: meet you know, because you guys were in hiding for 609 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: the past couple of months. It's been a while since 610 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: you've actually gotten engaged, and so it's one thing to 611 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: be living kind of in the slimbo world where you 612 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: can't go out in public, you can't even say his 613 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: name in public, your parents can't say his name. So 614 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: I think now is when your relationship truly starts, where 615 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: the families can meet and you can walk down the 616 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: street together and they can see you and how you 617 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: treat each other in real life, which I think is 618 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: really important, which is really a special I mean coming 619 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: from somebody who's gone through and now like this is 620 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: the moment where it's like it begins to feel real 621 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: and it's like this is the special time where you're like, okay, 622 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: we can actually start our life now. Yeah, we are 623 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: so excited. I'm so excited, Like what's out of hiding. 624 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,239 Speaker 1: I want to go to a restaurant, like this is 625 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: the Highlands of the last couple of months. Well, that 626 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: was a good part of the episode two when you 627 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: were like, we just want to go eat together and 628 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and do normal things. It's 629 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: so weird how abnormal those things seem in that environment. 630 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: But those are special day to day things you're gonna 631 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: have to do wherever. Yeah, Like I just keep saying 632 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: like we didn't do anything in a wrong order, we 633 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: just did things in a different order. So it's like 634 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: you take all these huge steps first, and now it's 635 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: like we're backtracking a little bit and it's like, okay, 636 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: like let's go out on a date night. That's something 637 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: we haven't been able to do. You get to actually 638 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: order a bottle of wine in front of a random 639 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: person that you've never met before, and you can actually 640 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: say his name and be like, this is my fiance. 641 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: Is it weird for you to have bypassed the boyfriend 642 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: and girlfriend phase and just go straight into fiance. That's 643 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: not as weird because I felt like that's not as weird. 644 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it is weird, I would say. The 645 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: only thing is I always expected to live with my 646 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: fiance before I had gotten engaged. So I think that 647 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: would be the only thing. But we have spent, like 648 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: you said, we spend so much time in quarantine that 649 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: we know what it's like to live in an apartment 650 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: together at this And I mean, I feel like, as 651 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: much as it sounds bizarre, you go through the boyfriend 652 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: girlfriend's stage on the beach, and it's just it's condensed 653 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: into such a short amount of time, but it's like 654 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: a really intense amount time where you almost feel like 655 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: you do go through those steps and you just get 656 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: to engagement significantly faster than you would not in paradise. 657 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: But I mean, I do feel like we went through 658 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: that stage too. Yeah, yeah, I just want I'm like, like, 659 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: I definitely agree with you Becca when you say, like, 660 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: this is the time where it really starts to feel real. Um, 661 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: but this is all felt somewhat normal, like our relationship 662 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: has has felt like a normal. Normal is a strong word, okay, 663 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: but but then I don't have another word. Normals the 664 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: only one in my head right now. I want to 665 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: go back because I have a question for Serena. But Joe, 666 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: you had mentioned seeing Serena in the atmosphere and dealing 667 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: with the situation of your X on the beach and 668 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: kind of navigating that was it attracted you more to 669 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: her and how she handled that. Serena watching in his 670 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: moments where you know, he had confronted Brendan and Piper 671 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: on their situation and Chris on his situation. What did 672 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: you feel seeing him take the lead in those moments. Yeah, 673 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean I was there for the Chris and Atlanta situation. 674 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: I was sick the night Brendan Piper went home, so 675 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: I did miss that. I did get to watch that 676 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: back with the rest of the views for the first time. 677 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: But I mean, Joe has a friendship with Jasenia and 678 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: he has a very close, strong friendship with Natasha, So 679 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: I definitely admire him kind of taking charge and standing 680 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: up for his friends. You know, two women got really hurt, hurt, 681 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: and he's not afraid to have those difficult conversations with 682 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: people and be that kind of shoulder to lean on 683 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: for those for those women that got hurt. So I'm 684 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: friends with those people as well, and I think that, 685 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, Chris and Alanna and Brendan Piper leaving the 686 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: beach gave Jasenia and Natasha the space to hopefully find 687 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: love for them else, you know, with those people. I 688 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: like that, you know, that was when I look back 689 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: at um, that whole situation Chris and Alana, I do 690 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: wish we would have handled a little better. I think 691 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: we could have handled it not as intense, but it 692 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: is what it is. And the Brendan Piper conversation, it 693 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: was really just kind of like, Okay, there are two 694 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: stories here, so like, let's confront that because it's ruining 695 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: a lot of people's time now, because there's so much 696 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: energy was put towards what's going on with Brendan and Piper. 697 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: What's going on with Brendan and Piper. That it was 698 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: just like, Okay, enough's enough and yeah, and Natasha is 699 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: a real friend of mine, so to see her go 700 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: through that was tough, even though at the time I 701 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: didn't really see all of it, you know, because I 702 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: was also focusing on us. You, I mean, you were 703 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: focusing on a lot, not only having to be there 704 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: for years friends, but focus on your relationship with Serena 705 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: also while dealing with navigating your ex on the beach 706 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: and you know, dealing with those types of conversations and 707 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: how you and Serena interact in front of her which 708 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine that would have been. I mean, 709 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: you guys went through the ringer in that, and I 710 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: applied both of you for how you handled it and 711 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: her as well. You all handled it so maturely. It's 712 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable, strange situation, but the way that the three 713 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: of you all handled it, I think is the best 714 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: way anyone could have it had the best outcome. I mean, 715 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: especially for you two. But was it hard for you 716 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: to keep moving your relationship forward at all knowing that 717 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: Kendall was still there seeing everything, and you know, kind 718 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: of being like, Okay, is she around to see this? Like? 719 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: What was that mindset like? Like? Trying to progress your 720 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: relationship forward while knowing she was still there when Kendall 721 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: had first got there. Well, I really meant what I said. 722 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have went to Paradise if I wasn't over 723 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: her when she first got there, just because everything's so 724 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: heightened in Paradise. It just seemed so intense. We also 725 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: didn't sleep as much, So like that first moment, I 726 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is going to be a little difficult. 727 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: But truly the next morning, when I had breakfast with Serena, 728 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: I was like this isn't think going to phase me 729 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: at all, Like this is my relationship that that's really 730 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: all I care about right now. I'm not an evil person, 731 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: So I want to if if Kenball was upset, I 732 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: was willing to be there for her and hear her out, 733 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: But it didn't phase my relationship growing with Serena at all. 734 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean I don't think so. Yeah, I would agree. 735 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: I mean it was definitely uncomfortable at times, and there 736 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: was an awareness of the situation and awareness of her feelings. 737 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 1: But at the same him, I would say it sped 738 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: up the progression of our relationship because it was such 739 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: an intense situation right at the gate that we really 740 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: had to communicate through. So not only did it test 741 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: our relationship and our commitment to each other, but it tested, like, 742 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, if we were going through a difficult time 743 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: as a team. Yeah, it was really really actually worked 744 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: very well. It was nice. Yeah, that's the best way 745 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: to put it. Like it really tested our strength as 746 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: a team. And I think I know you said, like 747 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: the way I handle it made you more attracted to me, 748 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: in the way he handled it made me more attracted 749 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: to him, and just feel like I could trust him 750 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: feel more comfortable in the relationship, and yeah, I just 751 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: felt like we had the skills to handle that and 752 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: that was going to translate to situations in the outside world, 753 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: and that made me feel really confident in the relationship. Well. 754 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: And it seemed like in those moments when you two 755 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: would have conversations about it, I can imagine it would 756 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: be easy to just focus on how you're feeling internally 757 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: and why either one of you were hurt for your 758 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: own individual specific reasons, but you were always checking in 759 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 1: on the other. Like one of the first things, Serena 760 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: you said during the proposal when Joe told you that 761 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: Kendall had walked down and you know, surprised him that 762 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: last day, your first reaction was, well, how are you doing? 763 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't you getting upset and being like, oh no, 764 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: should I be here? Like what was that conversation? It 765 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: was just Joe, how are you okay? Yeah? And he 766 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: does the same for you, which I think is something 767 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: like you said, you are a team and you do 768 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 1: have that support system in one another, which is something 769 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: really incredible. Yeah, that's actually true. I kind of forgot 770 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: I said that, but I mean, I think when it 771 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: came down to it, I thought confident in our relationship 772 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: and I didn't think anything was gonna come between us 773 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: at that time. And obviously he was the one that 774 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: had the relationship with Kendall, it wasn't me, So I 775 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: kind of felt like my role in all of that, 776 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: as much as I wanted to be honest with him 777 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: about how everything made me feel, was to support him 778 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: in any way. Could that last her coming on at 779 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: the end I thought was I just was like, Okay, 780 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: at this point, I don't really care what you have 781 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: to say, and like the nicest way possible, like this 782 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: is just not the time. Yeah, well, I can imagine 783 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: first something so big as an engagement, do you have 784 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: your mind made up like that is set? And I 785 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: would hope that nothing major would happen to sway that. 786 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, you guys were both very cordial, 787 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: and I think she just had to say what she 788 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,359 Speaker 1: had to say. But at the end of the day, 789 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: you were very still zoned in on what you were 790 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: there to do in that moment, and that was to 791 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: ask Serena to spend the rest of your life together. 792 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: The night before, though obviously you guys went into the 793 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: fantasy suites, and Joe, you made a comment the next 794 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: morning saying, waking up the day after the fantasy suits 795 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,760 Speaker 1: that you would probably be very in your head about 796 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: what's to come and the engagement the next day. But 797 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: with Serena, you actually said that you fell more at 798 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: peace and calm. So what was I guess what was 799 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: the catalyst for making you feel so calm and just 800 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: safe with her? Yeah, And I also would say because 801 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: of that feeling, that was a big reason why I 802 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: did get down on one knee, Because ever since since 803 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: Serena and I said we were falling in love with 804 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: each other, there was like this calming, piece, very confident 805 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: feeling I had about her and our relationship. And I 806 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it is, and I don't know 807 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: if people are meant to be with each other or whatnot, 808 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: but I think, um not the sound corny or a cliche, 809 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: but I think it was just real love. And I 810 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: was shocked that it did happen so fast. So yeah, 811 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's why I felt that way, and for 812 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,439 Speaker 1: the second time saying I love you, that's my girl, 813 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: and then I one, so it was very it's my turn. Yeah, 814 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing this verse. Yeah, even said to me, did 815 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: you just get engaged to be out of spite? Was 816 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:26,720 Speaker 1: I an't have any other options either way? Yeah? Worked out, Serena. 817 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to know from you because you said that 818 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 1: you didn't expect him to get down on one knee 819 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: and actually proposed. So I'm assuming you went into that 820 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: moment having Joe be like, I love you, you know, 821 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: let's take this outside of paradise and see how we 822 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: are in the real life and can continue this relationship. 823 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: Would you have been fine with that? Like is that 824 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: what you I'm assuming expected to happen. Yeah. So, I 825 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: mean from the conversations we had had, um, my expectation 826 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,240 Speaker 1: was we were going to go down be like, here's 827 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: my final roles, here's my final roles. We love each other, 828 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: let's get out of here. And that was kind of 829 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: what we had agreed upon leaving each other after fantasy 830 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: suitets of like we're just such logical people. But I 831 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: mean I think, yeah, like the logical thing to do 832 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: was like this is crazy, this is so fast, Like 833 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: let's just you know, do the step by step thing 834 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: and we'll get engaged down the line. M So he 835 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: definitely called me off guard. But I mean one of 836 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: my best friends was like, it's actually so beautiful because 837 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: you are so driven by logic in every part of 838 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: your life, and you clearly wanted to say yes this proposal, 839 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: because if you didn't want to get engaged him, you 840 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't have said yes. And I'm absolutely no regrets to 841 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: this day. I'm glad we're engaged. I'm glad I said yes. 842 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: So she's like, it's really beautiful to see that this 843 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: decision to be with Joe and to be engaged with 844 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: him was just so like emotionally driven. Like I got 845 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: so emotional, we got down on one knee. I was 846 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: so excited to say yes. I was obviously in complete shock, 847 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,879 Speaker 1: but I mean I knew he was the one. It 848 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,399 Speaker 1: wasn't like I hadn't already imagined, you know, one day 849 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: as getting engaged. We just you know, he jumped the 850 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: gun too a little sooner. But I also think I 851 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: also think every couple or everyone that goes on the show, 852 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 1: if they really love the person, should be okay if 853 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 1: there isn't an engagement and it's just hey, let's leave 854 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: as a couple, Because like if Serena was like, either 855 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: we get engaged or this is all be like, Wow, 856 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: that's I don't know about I don't know how I 857 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: feel about that. It's not a lot better than that 858 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,399 Speaker 1: head Well, no, I get what you're saying. I think 859 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: for because I mean, and you were a couple that 860 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: really since the very first week hit it off, and 861 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: you were the strongest couple on that beach. I think 862 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: it's different if you were in a James and and 863 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: the situation where you had a day you had this spark, 864 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: this initial connection, but obviously you don't know each other 865 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: for very long, so of course you're probably not going 866 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: to live together. But for somebody like you, two who 867 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: had spent so much time together, and I don't think 868 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: people realize how much time you truly spend together. I 869 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: know everyone's like, oh, it's only been you know, a 870 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but it's like you're together day in 871 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: and day out, dealing with things that you probably wouldn't 872 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 1: in normal daily life, trying to navigate how you would 873 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: navigate those things on a beach in very very stressful, 874 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 1: hard situations, and so it just you know, formed your 875 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: I would say, it kind of sped up and put 876 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: your relationship in a microwave in a way, which obviously 877 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: helps because it got you to where you are now. 878 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, I was going to ask you something about 879 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,760 Speaker 1: that last day, Oh Serena, this is what I wanted 880 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: to say. You, I think gave one of my favorite 881 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: moment in an interview ever where watching you two exchange 882 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 1: your I love yous and your sentiments to one another. 883 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: It got both me and Tia choked up at times 884 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: and gave us the chills. But you gave an interview 885 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: where you were talking and then you kind of stopped 886 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,320 Speaker 1: and started crying, and you were like, I didn't think 887 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,760 Speaker 1: I would feel this way. I didn't think I would 888 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: get here. And the fact that like I'm allowing myself 889 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: to feel all these things for him, it was just 890 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: a really beautiful moment. It was one of the most 891 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: beautiful interviews and words that I've ever seen anyone on 892 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: the show Express And so, you know, I can imagine 893 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: what it's like having you two be together, sitting side 894 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: by side, watching all of this unfold, watching what you 895 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: two are saying about each other behind the scenes. What 896 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,959 Speaker 1: has that been like, Because you've obviously had conversations face 897 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: to face, not only while you were on the beach, 898 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: but also outside of that, but there's still so much 899 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: that you don't know what was said about one another 900 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: in your itms and into different interviews. So what has 901 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: that been like to be able to watch that not together? 902 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not normal by any means, but I 903 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: would I would say it's like really romantic. I mean, 904 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,800 Speaker 1: Joe and I would say, don't like profess our love 905 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: for each other every single minute of every single day 906 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: as much as you know, we know that we love 907 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: each other. So watching it back and remembering that time 908 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: in our relationship where we're falling in love and seeing 909 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, us behind the scenes talking about each other, 910 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 1: just kind of expressing our feelings like, yeah, it's it's 911 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: it's weird in a good way. It's a gift. That's 912 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 1: one of the gifts of the show. Yeah, that's a 913 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: good way to put it. Have either of you said anything, 914 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: and this is probably more for Serena said anything that 915 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:50,280 Speaker 1: has spaced each other off. Um, I don't think. So, Okay, 916 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: we are going to play very soon a newly engaged game. 917 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: But I do want to know what's next for the 918 00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,879 Speaker 1: two of you, because you know, Serena, you mean Canada Joe, 919 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: you live in Chicago, which doesn't make things easy. So 920 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: what what's planned for the two of you? You know, 921 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: short term and long term? Sure, so I would say, well, 922 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: we have to figure out where we're going to live 923 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 1: together right away. Not right away, but I have a 924 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 1: lease that's up in April that we had talked about it. 925 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: So we are either going to possibly try New York 926 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: together or split time between Chicago and Toronto for the 927 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,399 Speaker 1: time being. That's what we're gonna do, is split time 928 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 1: from Chicago in Toronto. And but that's gonna be our 929 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: next big step would be moving in together. Yeah, yeah, 930 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of just whatever makes sense for 931 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: us in a couple of months, both personally and professionally. 932 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: So we both love New York. It's kind of a 933 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 1: bit of like a neutral space where we're both making 934 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: sacrifice to be there. But Toronto Chicago both great cities too, 935 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: so you know, we don't have kids at the moment, 936 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 1: so it's pretty easy and with our lives to lifestyles 937 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,319 Speaker 1: to travel back and forth. So we're like, maybe we 938 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: get place in Chicago, place in Toronto, and we do 939 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: fifty fifty. I know our families would probably like that option, 940 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 1: but we gotta we all live at a time. What's 941 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 1: nice is we're an hour away from every place we 942 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: just mentioned. Yeah, ideally the East Coast is where I 943 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: would like to stay. Okay, Oh, I love that. I 944 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: have a feeling. I already know how you both will 945 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,440 Speaker 1: answer this. But long term or short short term engagement? 946 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: I mean, do you want me to answer? I would 947 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,400 Speaker 1: say mid range. Yeah, that would be my answer to 948 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,319 Speaker 1: mid range on the longer side. Yeah, like we're not 949 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: rushing down the aisle, but I mean we definitely feel 950 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,359 Speaker 1: confident the fact that we want to be together, right, Yeah, 951 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean enjoyed this moment. Your lives are about to change. 952 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,800 Speaker 1: There's just something now where doing life as a couple, 953 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 1: you know, because you were on the show and Bachelination 954 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 1: as a whole, it's just has such a big fan base. 955 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,960 Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot. It's going to be intense. Um, 956 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: so just really soak it in and enjoy it. Be 957 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,799 Speaker 1: nice to just take a breath, date, live together, and 958 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,800 Speaker 1: then marriage will come down the line, all right. So 959 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,359 Speaker 1: it's not Bachelor Happy Hour without our games. You know, 960 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 1: we love to have our games. So it's going to 961 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 1: be a series of questions and you just both have 962 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,399 Speaker 1: to answer who in the relationship it applies to. So 963 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:35,719 Speaker 1: to start, who initiated your first kiss? Me? I did? No, no, no, 964 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: I I baded you into it. I bad you into it. 965 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,399 Speaker 1: You did not. Yeah, No, I did be you into 966 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: it because I bad you into it by bringing you 967 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 1: down there, bring me down to the David. Yeah, that 968 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm gonna kiss you. Because I was laying 969 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: there and I was like, abolutely think it's going to 970 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 1: be the first couple to kiss tonight. Yeah. I just 971 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,879 Speaker 1: wanted to be us and I was like, I do, 972 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:05,760 Speaker 1: let's make out. Okay, she got you, Joe. I love this. 973 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 1: This should be such a simple game. And the fact 974 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: that I hope every question is like this, Like, you 975 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,799 Speaker 1: guys are already the cute bickering couple. Okay, next one, 976 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 1: who's the better cook? I would have to say me, Yeah, 977 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: I'd have to go me on that one. I would 978 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 1: go you on some dishes. But he overcooks chicken every 979 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: time we make it because he's terrified of salmonella poisoning, 980 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: so we've been eating dry chicken. But you are a 981 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 1: good cook, and you watch a lot of food shows 982 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,280 Speaker 1: you're very knowledgeable about foods. I'll give you that, thank you. Compromise. 983 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: Who is more romantic? Oh, I'd have to me on 984 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: that one too. Yeah, it looks like this is all 985 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: going to be me. I definitely don't think that's the case. 986 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:52,240 Speaker 1: You're two for three. I love Who's more stubborn? Serena? Yeah, yeah, interesting, Okay, 987 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 1: I'm surprised by that. I'm we're both pretty stuck. We're 988 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: both stubborn but good at compromise. I know that's like 989 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 1: a contradiction. Yeah, but I would say that's that's that 990 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: holds true. I like that, yes, because he loves you. 991 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,440 Speaker 1: Who is more messy? Oh? John, No, are you? I 992 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,439 Speaker 1: am so neat? I am so neat? So type you are? 993 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,919 Speaker 1: You're clean? Like your apartment always smells good and it's clean, 994 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: but you leave stuff everywhere. There's an empty surface, Joe 995 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 1: finds a way to fill it with a heavy art 996 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,720 Speaker 1: Shirt's I think his closet is not it's his whole apartment, 997 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: it's his closet. I think it's a g I understand. No, 998 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: I do it, dude, But it's okay because I'm I'm organized, 999 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,479 Speaker 1: so I can help you. Sure, No, you are clean. 1000 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,279 Speaker 1: You are, I'll give you that. Yeah. Who's the funny one? Oh, 1001 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: I meant, I don't think that's really a question. We 1002 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: both think we're very funny. Yeah, it comes natural for me. 1003 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I miss being with you too so much. 1004 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: I just fly again then hang out with you. Okay. 1005 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 1: Between the two of you, who spends more money? Joe 1006 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:12,760 Speaker 1: absolutely like way more money on clothes, on beauty products, 1007 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: on so much sandals food I have. That's probably my 1008 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: biggest downfall in life is I'm a bad spender. I 1009 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,399 Speaker 1: feel like the last time on Paradise you have about 1010 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: Gucci shoes and all this Gucci ship. I don't need 1011 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,680 Speaker 1: to be any of that this time. He's a full 1012 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,440 Speaker 1: blown brand horse. No, I've taken it easy on the brands, 1013 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: but I definitely spend money on um, enjoying my myself 1014 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,799 Speaker 1: probably too much. If you spending it on me, I'm 1015 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 1: not going to complain about it. Who's the planner between 1016 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,920 Speaker 1: the two of you? Most big planners? Yeah, to be honest, 1017 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm also I do things sporadically, UM, but I also plan. No, 1018 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: I would say we're both we're both planners. We're definitely 1019 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: both parns. I'm honest. We've had so much time sitting 1020 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,279 Speaker 1: doing nothing that like all we do is sit and plan, 1021 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: like where do we want to go on our first trip? 1022 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,960 Speaker 1: Then where do we want to go for our first dinner? 1023 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,640 Speaker 1: I would say Joe's definitely more spontaneous than I. And though, yes, yeah, yeah, 1024 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: who is more competitive? I'm not really a competitive person. 1025 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,919 Speaker 1: It's just your lying to everyone right now, sorry face 1026 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,880 Speaker 1: like you're competitive. I disagree, and I'm not. You think 1027 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm a competitive person. Not a bad thing. This is 1028 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,200 Speaker 1: a great example. I don't think it's a bad thing. 1029 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,319 Speaker 1: I just think that okay, maybe yeah, Oh no, who 1030 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,879 Speaker 1: do you think is more competitive in me? I don't 1031 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 1: really find you to be a super competitive Either of 1032 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,080 Speaker 1: us are crazy competitive, super more chill. You know who 1033 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 1: takes up more of the bed? I'd say we're we 1034 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,799 Speaker 1: are proportions very well together on a bed. Yeah, sleep 1035 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 1: in the middle, No one really. I hugged the covers 1036 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,839 Speaker 1: and he snores a little bit and moves around a lot, 1037 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,800 Speaker 1: like we're like, cuddle in the middle and then separate 1038 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,959 Speaker 1: to each other's side and let's see you in the morning. 1039 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,680 Speaker 1: Kind of people. I feel like I know the answer 1040 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 1: to this one. But who takes longer to get ready? 1041 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: I'd say we're both. We actually both get ready pretty quick. Yeah, 1042 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm probably Serena because she's got to put makeup on 1043 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: if we want to go out. Yeah, like I have 1044 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: more hair to work with and more makeup, But Joe 1045 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: changes it out fit like six times. So well we 1046 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,239 Speaker 1: saw it before the podcast started. That's false. Who is 1047 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,840 Speaker 1: more likely to cry on your wedding day? Oh me, 1048 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,960 Speaker 1: hands down. I'll be a mess. I mean I was 1049 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 1: a mess the entire day leading up to the engagement. 1050 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,359 Speaker 1: I didn't even know I was getting engaged. So, yeah, 1051 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna cry on our wedding day? No, I hope not. 1052 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,319 Speaker 1: I hope so he will. I think one to seven 1053 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 1: tiers will be shed. I'll tell you what. It wouldn't 1054 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: shock me at this point. Are you a crier? Do 1055 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,960 Speaker 1: you cry? Uh? You know, every time I say I don't, 1056 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 1: I find myself crying somewhere. So I don't think I'm 1057 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 1: a big crier. Huh, Joe. I would say I'm somewhat 1058 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,320 Speaker 1: of a Uh, I'm pretty in tune with my emotions, 1059 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,880 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say I'm a crier. Okay, last question, 1060 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: who is always right me me, okay, so that makes 1061 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: it very simple, but we do both think we're always right. 1062 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 1: I get it all right, you two. That is the 1063 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: end as a game. This is the end of your 1064 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,080 Speaker 1: paradise chapter, if you will. I can't wait to see 1065 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,760 Speaker 1: where the rest of your life takes you both. Thanks 1066 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,600 Speaker 1: so much for having us, guys. This is our first 1067 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,920 Speaker 1: interview that we've done. This is really fun. This has 1068 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. Thank you. Joe. Can you 1069 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: plug us where you can find us? Oh yeah, so 1070 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 1: you can find me um at Joe Mobley one. On Instagram. 1071 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: You could hear me host a lovely podcast at clickbait. Um. 1072 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: You can find me on I now have TikTok. I 1073 00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 1: have seven followers. Um, that is Joe Mobley on Show Up. 1074 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: You find me on Twitter, Joe and I saw Sundays 1075 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: at Joel dot com, which is delicious by the way. 1076 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 1: That's this is the content people need. Yea dot com, Serena. Um, 1077 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram at Serena underscore pitt. 1078 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: I believe TikTok and Twitter is the same. So you guys, 1079 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,000 Speaker 1: you two go enjoy your life. Go out, go be merry, 1080 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 1: Go shout this from the rooftops. Congratulations and we love 1081 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,680 Speaker 1: you both so so much. Thank you. This has been 1082 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: This has been a blast. Oh my gosh, that was 1083 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: such They are just the funniest couple to me. I 1084 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 1: love them both so much. I'm glad that we were 1085 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: able to have them on today. Same, I'm so glad 1086 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,920 Speaker 1: we have them. They're just the cutest, sweetest It's very 1087 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 1: rare for things to make me emotional on this franchise anymore, 1088 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: but they do it. M h. And you know, like 1089 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,920 Speaker 1: just having them on, we saw them firsthand for that 1090 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,520 Speaker 1: month that we lived with them, just such a great, inspiring, cute, 1091 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: respectful relationship. But just having them on, no, you can 1092 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: just see such a change of how much more they 1093 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 1: know each other, how much more they love each other. 1094 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 1: Just the banter back and forth is something so incredible 1095 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 1: to see. So, I mean, Tia, all I got to 1096 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,440 Speaker 1: say is we better get invites to that wedding one day, 1097 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 1: no joke. So ready for some bachelor weddings. Oh yeah, 1098 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 1: it's been it's been a while, so you know, one 1099 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,040 Speaker 1: of these three couples come on top on it. We 1100 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: need we need a good party. Tia and I were 1101 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 1: at the last one together, dring away too much tequila 1102 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,720 Speaker 1: at the bar, and we need this again. So um, Tia, 1103 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 1: I have had such a blast having you on the 1104 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 1: podcast for these past few weeks. Please come back anytime, 1105 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,680 Speaker 1: he describe is I know, Well, I'm going to see 1106 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,200 Speaker 1: you soon. I'm going to be a national very soon, 1107 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 1: so I'll see. Yeah. But this has been fun. It's 1108 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,120 Speaker 1: been such fun, such a blast, And just the fact 1109 00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,080 Speaker 1: that we were able to not only live through that 1110 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: but then be able to recap it together. It's then, 1111 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,920 Speaker 1: I think that's ever been done in the Bachelor podcast before. 1112 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,600 Speaker 1: So I just feel really lucky, really grateful that you 1113 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,400 Speaker 1: were by my side the entire time. I could not 1114 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 1: have done any of it without you. I absolutely love you. 1115 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I know I 1116 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: don't talk very much, but you're really great to wish 1117 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Now I'd like to be your support. I'll be there 1118 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,080 Speaker 1: any day for you. Well, you know what, here, I'm 1119 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: gonna give you some prep because this is your last 1120 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Hour podcasting would be your last podcast ever, 1121 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: So Tia, please do the honors of closing out the 1122 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 1: show today. Make sure to hit us up on social 1123 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,960 Speaker 1: at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram, at bachel Nation on Twitter, 1124 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 1: and Bachelor Nation on Facebook. And as always, don't forget 1125 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,040 Speaker 1: to subscribe to our podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the 1126 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: Laundry app, or wherever you're listening right Yeah, thanks everyone,