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Speaker 1: let's get to the story of the day Michigan was

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Speaker 1: levied fines and suspensions. And look, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this comes to be. And the reason I say that

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Speaker 1: is I'm actually a coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which

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Speaker 1: Division I program. We are under NCAA rules and regulations,

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Speaker 1: just like anybody else. And what I have come to

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Speaker 1: learn first observing as a basketball analyst and a radio

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Speaker 1: show host and a TV yaker, And now I know

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Speaker 1: is the general thought in college athletics of the NCAA

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Speaker 1: and the NCAA is not some Darconian organization made it

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Speaker 1: out to be.

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Speaker 2: It's just the conglomerate of schools.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like being mad at Congress when

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Speaker 1: there's actually you know, every state has the right to

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Speaker 1: vote their rights. They vote their opinions for their constituents,

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Speaker 1: and you just say I don't like Congress. Well yeah,

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Speaker 1: well there's fifty states, so you don't like the individual representatives.

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Speaker 1: These are the individual schools.

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Speaker 2: But there is the Board of Infractions. Right.

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Speaker 1: The general thought from most people is no matter what

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Speaker 1: rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose.

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Speaker 1: Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the

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Speaker 1: past couple of years. The new rules and regulations in

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Speaker 1: terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our

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Speaker 1: program is a part of. In most college athletic programs

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Speaker 1: outside the Ivy League are a part of. All of

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Speaker 1: these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof. Right, there's a reason

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Speaker 1: that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit

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Speaker 1: proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of

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Speaker 1: years dream scenario, maybe even ten years of some form

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Speaker 1: of stabilization. So I say that because when I read

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Speaker 1: to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very

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Speaker 1: likely that Michigan appeals, ensues and tries to get out

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Speaker 1: of it. Right, Okay, So I don't need to go

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Speaker 1: through what they were doing with the science dealing. I

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Speaker 1: can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing

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Speaker 1: how much Jim Harbaugh knew. It's one of those Hey,

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Speaker 1: I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, give me the calls,

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Speaker 1: get them for me.

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Speaker 2: Give me the calls. And when you're running a program

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Speaker 2: as big as.

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Speaker 1: Michigan, in my program, you know my email right now,

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Speaker 1: I have to it's I have to do every I'm

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Speaker 1: a CEO. I have to worry about every little different

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Speaker 1: department and oh yeah, by the way, much like Doge,

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Speaker 1: what can we cut, what can we keep? How little

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Speaker 1: can we spend to get the most out of it

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Speaker 1: because we have to compensate the student athlete now. But

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Speaker 1: I'm going to commend the NCAA. Look, do I think

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Speaker 1: this was a dog and pony show?

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Speaker 2: I do? Do I think this was that? This was?

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Speaker 2: Do I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I do know that every college program, basketball or football,

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Speaker 1: tries to figure out what the signs are for the

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Speaker 1: other for the other team. And that's what you do.

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Speaker 2: What you do.

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Speaker 1: You're not allowed, unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball,

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Speaker 1: to scout in person, so you watch on video and

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Speaker 1: call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an

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Speaker 1: when you say, hey, that's earpool, it's earpool.

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Speaker 2: Write that down, Earpool, what is it? Hey?

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Speaker 1: Then you go in at halftime and you make sure

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Speaker 1: that you have it listed. So if they pull out

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Speaker 1: Okay, So my point is I'm not excusing the behavior

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you didn't no signs stealing took place,

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Speaker 1: why do you have three different people putting the signs out?

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Speaker 1: Because two are fake signs? Right, you know they're looking,

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Speaker 1: so let's not act like you're surprised that there's somebody

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Speaker 1: That was Bill Belichick's entire argument. Right, we film the game,

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Speaker 1: they're running in signs at the game. Why can't we

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Speaker 1: And most coaches are incredibly paranoid if they say a

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Speaker 1: I mean, heck, if you played youth football and I

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Speaker 1: did you know this? Right before the game, you'll be

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Speaker 1: running through plays. What do you do with the players

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Speaker 1: who aren't involved? You line them up so the other

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Speaker 1: coach can't look down and see what you're doing. Right,

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Speaker 1: And every high school football coach, college football coach has

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Speaker 1: for the next day. So let's not act like we're

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Speaker 1: surprised that this happens or that Michigan's the only one

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Speaker 1: doing it. They got caught doing it at a higher

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Speaker 2: Here's the punishment.

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Speaker 1: Four years of probation, financial penalties, A fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: fine plus ten percent of the budget of the football program,

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Speaker 1: an equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition

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Speaker 1: revenue sharing associated with the twenty twenty five twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: ten percent of scholarships awarded to Michigan's football programs and

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Speaker 1: the twenty five to twenty six academic year, a twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent reduction official football visits in twenty five to

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Speaker 1: twenty six, a fourteen week probation recruiting communications in the

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Speaker 1: football program during the probation period, and then Connor Stallion's

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Speaker 1: eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you knew he had a

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Speaker 1: ten year show cause. Denard Robinson, wasn't he shoelaces, wasn't

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Speaker 1: That means he can't really coach in college football. Whereas

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Speaker 1: a show cause means you have to show cause for

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Speaker 1: hiring somebody. It doesn't mean you can't coach. You can't

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Speaker 1: infractions committee and say you're sorry and say you've improved.

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Speaker 1: It's much like the probation department, you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: trying to remember the start of Shawshank Redemption, where you

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Speaker 1: have to say that you're a changed man type deal.

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Speaker 1: And then Sharon Moore got a two year show cause,

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Speaker 1: but he's still the head coach, so that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: And he suspended a total of three games. Michigan imposed

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Speaker 1: a two game suspension for this year. The panel says

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Speaker 1: he's got to be suspended one additional game.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know why?

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Speaker 1: It's an awesome punishment because it hits him in the wallet.

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Speaker 1: They're not taking down a banner that we know they earned.

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Speaker 1: And that you can't do you guys, remember men in Black, right,

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Speaker 1: remember the little silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy

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Speaker 1: Lee Jones would hold up and press it, and everybody's

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Speaker 1: a memory would be a race. Your short term memories

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Speaker 1: is zapped. Don't you wish that occurred in life? Would

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Speaker 1: that'd be so cool?

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Speaker 2: You're like in an argument with your girlfriend and your

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Speaker 2: wife and you're just like two, Like what were we

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Speaker 2: even argue about? I don't know, mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well,

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Speaker 2: the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know?

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Speaker 2: O gay.

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Speaker 1: Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There is no

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Speaker 1: neuralizer where we can hit the button. And Louisville's twenty

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Speaker 1: thirteen NCAA championship is a race from our memory banks, right.

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Speaker 1: We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly blocked,

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Speaker 1: pained and siva. It didn't get called as a clean block.

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Speaker 1: It changed the momentum of that game. And Rick Patino's

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Speaker 1: Louisville Cardinal, Hey, Luke Hancock and the boys end up

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Speaker 1: winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, no banner.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's giving back their rings. Nobody's saying I'm not an

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Speaker 1: NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish

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Speaker 1: a university? And the answer is you take their money? Right,

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Speaker 1: and who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Ten percent of the budget of the football program at

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Speaker 1: the University of Michigan. Okay, were calculating coaches salaries in

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Speaker 1: the budget?

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 1: We calculate recruiting budget, yep. Are we calculating rev sharing

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Speaker 1: that budget? I don't know that it's going to be

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing Minisum Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue

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Speaker 1: lawyer fees are a lot of money. I just ten

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Speaker 1: percent of scholarships a ward of Michigan football program. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So what is an eighty thousand dollars scholarship a year?

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Speaker 1: Nine ten percent is eight grand? Eight grand times?

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Speaker 2: What do you have? One hundred and five?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: And in college football you do the math, that's a

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Speaker 1: to get and you're like, well, what if they didn't

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Speaker 1: make the postseason?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: What they're talking about is everyone, everyone in your league

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Speaker 1: believe two shares if you play, and then if you win,

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Speaker 1: you get additional shares of it. So that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. Now they didn't and I apparently can't take

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Speaker 1: the TV revenue. They can't take the in stadium revenue.

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Speaker 1: Right where you're making probably I don't know Michigan one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand people. I can only estimate between one hundred

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Speaker 1: but taking away the money is the only way to

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Speaker 1: truly truly punish college sports programs because it is all

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Speaker 1: about the money. Now, you want to know it hurts

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Speaker 1: the most. I would not want to be the coach

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Speaker 1: of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball, swimming, diving, right. I feel

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Speaker 1: terrible for Michigan hockey women's basketball because Dusty May, they

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Speaker 1: raised a bunch of money, they got a squad. I

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Speaker 1: play us, And we're like, I don't really want to

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Speaker 1: get forty piece by Michigan. No, thanks, not into that.

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Speaker 1: They got a squad. I don't know what their budget is,

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Speaker 1: don't know. They have a top ten program. They're awesome, right,

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Speaker 1: and they already have the contracts for their roster of

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Speaker 6: for teenage girls. It's just Jason may not like it.

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Speaker 6: I will say that I thought Travis Travis felt like

438
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 6: the third wheel at times because I think he's used

439
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 6: to him, him and his brother going back and forth,

440
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 6: but understanding that this was Taylor's opportunity, that he was

441
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 6: gonna let her shine and would sprinkle in things. But

442
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 6: it wasn't a back and forth. It was a back

443
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 6: and forth between really Jason and Taylor. And I thought

444
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 6: Jason did a really good job. And I know that

445
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 6: there's some editing that's done, but it's not it's not

446
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 6: sneaky editing at all. You know where the cuts are,

447
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 6: you know where the place is where they've stopped and

448
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 6: started again. But Jason asked this question to her, which

449
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 6: I thought was great, and I give them credit. Jason

450
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 6: just asked, how did it work when you were trying

451
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 6: to get your masters back? Like can you tell me

452
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 6: the difference between what you know our publishing rights and

453
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 6: what aren't? And she laid it out for him, and

454
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 6: it was like a real music interview, and she explained

455
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 6: of like what she could do and what she couldn't do,

456
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Speaker 6: and why it was important for her to get those

457
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 6: master recordings, and why it may not be for every

458
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 6: single artist. And I actually thought that that part of it,

459
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 6: aside from them promoting and talking about their relationship, was

460
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 6: actually an informative part of the podcast.

461
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

462
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Speaker 1: It's look, I think it's fascinating to understand, to have

463
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Speaker 1: people understand a business that they never understood before.

464
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Speaker 2: Right.

465
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Speaker 1: I've had that conversation with a buddy of mine about

466
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: masters and about selling them and about holding on to them,

467
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Speaker 1: and so when I heard that, I was intrigued. But

468
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: I did know a lot of it. Again, I just

469
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: thought I thought it was a win. But it wasn't

470
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: set out. They didn't set out to win, right, They

471
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: didn't set out to win. They just set out that

472
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: I want to do a podcast, Let's do it. That's

473
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Speaker 1: how it felt. It felt very natural.

474
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Speaker 6: There is something that I do think is I don't

475
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 6: contrive to such a negative connotation. But Travis is on

476
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 6: the cover of GQ. I mentioned this earlier, but Jason

477
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 6: at the start of the podcast, Jason Kelsey said, we

478
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 6: told you where we were going to be back August

479
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 6: twenty seventh. Instead we've got a surprise. We're going to

480
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 6: do this August thirteenth. Obviously that dropping helps Taylor, maybe

481
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 6: helps GQ helps Travis. But Travis, within this GQ article

482
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 6: talked about how his play over the last couple of

483
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 6: years slipped, and he says that he let his media

484
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 6: responsibilities doing an FX show, hosting a game show on Amazon,

485
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 6: he let those things get in the way of his play.

486
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: Now.

487
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 6: Yesterday, Doug, after your show, I was in with Carrie

488
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 6: Rhodes on Cavito and Ridge, and Carrie was an all

489
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 6: pro and spent eight years in the league, says I

490
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 6: just think he's lost a step. I don't think he

491
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 6: has it anymore like he once did. And I think

492
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 6: this is all cover up and hearing what Carry said,

493
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 6: and I didn't necessarily disagree with Carrie. In the podcast

494
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 6: that aired last night with Taylor, Travis talked about traveling

495
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 6: the world and said that in Taylor brought up the

496
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Speaker 6: point that Travis had talked about going to different countries,

497
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 6: and Taylor's like, yeah, well, hello, I am going on

498
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 6: a tour. We can go to all of those countries.

499
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Speaker 6: And so that's what they did. In the summer of

500
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. Travis was with her in Europe during

501
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 6: those spots or going to different places. That wasn't mentioned

502
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 6: in the GQ article of the focusing on football, and

503
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 6: by the way, it would be okay, Travis Kelsey's accomplished

504
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 6: enough in his NFL career. He doesn't need to play

505
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 6: another down. He's going into the Hall of Fame. But

506
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 6: it was interesting to me to hear him say that

507
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 6: his TV stuff took him away, But the relationship stuff

508
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 6: with Taylor and being in Europe and doing these different

509
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 6: things were not a reason on why maybe his play

510
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 6: slipped last year, which you disagree with. I just don't

511
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 6: know how it helps, you know, Like I was when

512
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 6: he went to Argentina two years ago. Yes, during the

513
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 6: bye week, I just thought that's crazy. The big joke

514
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 6: is the NFL is not like we'll just go to

515
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 6: South America once a year. We'll go there too, So

516
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 6: maybe it looks a little bit normal, But I didn't

517
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 6: think that that was the great move for Travis and

518
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 6: preparing for the Chiefs. They ultimately go on and win

519
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl, so it didn't have an effect. But again,

520
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 6: none of this has an effect, and it's okay if

521
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 6: it did. He's at the end of his career, but

522
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 6: it's never brought up as maybe a reason on why

523
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 6: not the relationship, but just the stuff that comes with

524
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 6: the relationship. You're in a different phase of your life,

525
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 6: a different part of your life. But he's pointed out

526
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 6: single about the TV shows, but nothing in terms of

527
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 6: the travel that he may have done with his girlfriend.

528
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Speaker 2: I would I would say this that.

529
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: Inevitably, inevitably, there will be some form of negativity towards it.

530
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: Right, There always is, And.

531
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Speaker 1: Here's how I would take that negativity right, because it's

532
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: it's not good. I don't think it's going to be

533
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: anybody who matters. I think it'll be the the bots

534
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: or the fingers on social media that matters. Okay, but remember,

535
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: in order to watch this or listen to this, you

536
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: have to seek it out, right, you have to seek

537
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: it out. So you can say I don't care about them. Okay,

538
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: well then don't listen and don't watch.

539
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: It's fine. It'll be deal like they'll be. They'll be fine.

540
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: So if you say, hey, I watched I listen to one,

541
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: I think it'd be really hard to come away and

542
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: think it's not a real relationship.

543
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: It's pretty much impossible.

544
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: And two, they both seem really likable because Travis does

545
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: suddenly take a back seat, which I think he probably likes.

546
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: He's always been the center of attention. Now it's kind

547
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: of cool to have a eorl set of attention, like

548
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: that's that's dope. He can just kind of he can

549
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: just gotta be the arm candy. And then three like again,

550
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: the most important thing when somebody says, like, dude, I

551
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: listened to that podcast. Wait so you sought out that podcast,

552
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: downloaded it, listen to it. And then you're like, yeah,

553
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm not into them, Like okay, that's you just you

554
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: want the attention that you think they're trying to get.

555
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 6: Here's where I don't think it's going to uh backfire

556
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 6: on him or in any way or it's going to matter.

557
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 6: Is if he plays well this year, then he's right,

558
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 6: and all the work that he's done with a speed

559
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 6: and agility coach work this offseason and guess what it

560
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 6: was the TV shows. Travis identified the problem and addressed it.

561
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 6: And if it doesn't work, and if he has another

562
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 6: down season, he's just old and his better days are

563
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 6: behind him. I don't think that this is going to

564
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 6: come up. And again, I don't think it mattered. I

565
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 6: don't think it's a big deal. But it's just funny

566
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 6: because it sounds a little hypocritical by Travis to say

567
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 6: it was the TV shows and my attention to that

568
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 6: as opposed to being away for a month and traveling

569
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Speaker 6: throughout Europe.

570
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Speaker 5: I thought it took like balls for him to admit that,

571
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 5: and for him to admit it on GQ. It wasn't

572
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 5: like a sports mag per se or a sports article

573
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 5: or a reporter, but it took balls. And I think

574
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: that only a guy who's had his career already could

575
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 5: say I was distracted last season as my team was

576
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 5: trying to win a third straight Super Bowl. Doug, you

577
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 5: talk about the negativity and the bots and everything. I

578
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 5: think a Chief Sam would have an actual grievance to

579
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: be like, wait a minute, you're admitting to being distracted

580
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 5: as we were trying to set history last year. What's

581
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 5: going on here? And I think Kerry Rhadse is probably right.

582
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 5: I think that's his way of not admitting that he's

583
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 5: lost a step. But I think it takes balls, and

584
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 5: it's almost refreshing to hear a guy actually admit I

585
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 5: was distracted. How many athletes through the years, including Lebron James,

586
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 5: have said there's nothing to that. It's always about the basketball.

587
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 5: Everything else is sidebar. Travis Kelcey actually admitting this, I

588
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 5: think kind of puts him out there for criticism, don't

589
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: you think.

590
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: Doug, I do again. I didn't hear the entire podcast.

591
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: So were the TV shows he's talking about last year

592
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: or he's talking about in previous years because he did

593
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: the big reality show he did was like, yes, ten

594
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: years ago meant more than that.

595
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: I was about of ten years ago.

596
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: I was the CBS at the time, and where he

597
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: dated thirty two women in the offseason. I thought that's

598
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: what he was referring to, not to last year.

599
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 6: No, So he didn't mention any of the TV stuff

600
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 6: in the podcast with Taylor yesterday in the New New

601
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 6: Heights episode. It was in the GQ article where it

602
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 6: was pointed out the FX Show and the show that

603
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 6: he did on Amazon that those were the shows, because

604
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 6: I guess there's multiple episodes with the Amazon show, and

605
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 6: maybe I wasn't familiar with the FX show, but those

606
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 6: were specifically pointed out as shows that he did.

607
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: The was it what is it? Something Kelsey is keeping Kelsey,

608
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I forget what it's called. On the Amazon show, which

609
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: was pretty good.

610
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 6: And this is a different Amazon it was. This was

611
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 6: a different This was like a game show that he

612
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 6: hosted that he ended up being the host. But the

613
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 6: dating show that he did was yeah, that he wasn't

614
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 6: alluding to that? That was a decade or.

615
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 5: Are you smarter than a celebrity? Was the Amazon Prime show?

616
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: Okay?

617
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: And I wanted to say this dating show is he

618
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 5: didn't he date a woman from every state? Wasn't it

619
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 5: the Kelsey fifty or something stupid like that?

620
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: Something like that? Or was it thirty two? I can't remember? Wait,

621
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: so when was the when was the game show?

622
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: Was Chasing Kelsey?

623
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Speaker 6: I think that the game show was last the Last

624
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 6: off Season twenty twenty four.

625
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: Okay, so last fifty women from fifty states vibe for

626
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: the heart of a pro football player Chasing Kelsey twenty sixteen.

627
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so nine years ago I was I was close.

628
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: I was close in my ears.

629
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Speaker 1: I remember I interviewed him like he was you talk

630
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: about you talk about a guy who you had I

631
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: had no idea would reach superstar status nine years ago.

632
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Think about how his life changed when Pat Mahomes became

633
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: his quarterback.

634
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 5: We were at the super Bowl maybe it was Los Angeles,

635
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 5: I forget which super Bowl, and Doug and I are

636
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: prepping for the show, and all of a sudden, I

637
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 5: hear Hey, Doug, Doug, somebody trying to get Doug's attention.

638
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 5: Who's being walked by a publicist the other way? And

639
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 5: I look over. It's Travis Kelsey trying to get Doug

640
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 5: Gottlieb's attention as.

641
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: He because he used to come out all the time

642
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: and we talked basketball because he played basketball Cincinnati and

643
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: we have some like mutual mutual friends. And you know,

644
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: I likeain to go from that, like I have his number,

645
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: I've never haven't text him in years. I have no

646
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: idea if he has the same number, if he'd even

647
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: know who you know, new phone, who dish? But yeah,

648
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean media like ridiculous, ridiculous went from yeah, I

649
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: know yea to these in the names you know in

650
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: the NFL non quarterbacks, he's top five in any conversation correct, yes,

651
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: and then after this podcast and after you know now

652
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: obviously a long standing relationship with Taylor Swift the most

653
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: known by proxy.

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Foxsports Radio, Hope you're having just a

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Speaker 1: wonderful day. It's Tuesday. My guy Jay stew back in

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Speaker 1: the house. Iowa Sam on his way back home, right

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Speaker 1: because he did the DP show where we're all kind

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Speaker 1: of spread out this week as we get closer and closer,

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Speaker 1: closer and closer to football season, to true football season,

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Speaker 1: and obviously there's plenty of topics within that welcome in.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're you're ready for a tremendous two hours

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Speaker 1: plus you got the podcast bonus hour as well. Now,

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Speaker 1: you're too kind, You're you're too kind, Not really, you're

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Speaker 1: just very kind. Okay, what's the story of the day.

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Speaker 1: I guess, I don't think, I guess I know what

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Speaker 1: the story of the day is. The story of the

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Speaker 1: day is Shadoor Sanders. And the fact that Shador Sanders

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Speaker 1: is the story of the day is a really good

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Speaker 1: way to start because it's.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason that.

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Speaker 1: I obviously he wasn't drafted by some It's if you

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Speaker 1: draft a guy and you expect him to be a backup,

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Speaker 1: then he cannot get more attention than the starter. Now,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that he won't be eventually be the starter.

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Speaker 1: When you're young, you want to develop et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But Shad Door Sanders did not practice today. It's unclear

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Speaker 1: for the game versus the Eagles if he'll play Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Here's the good news. He puts some good stuff on tape.

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Speaker 1: He's in a quarterback competition, and he puts some good

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Speaker 1: stuff on tape. The bad news is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the number one part of ability is availability, and it's

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Speaker 1: you know, you could sit here and go, well, it's

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Speaker 1: not fair he got hurt, but and I know the

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Speaker 1: injury is legitimate. Like if you play that, you play well,

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Speaker 1: you want to get back out there to keep kind

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Speaker 1: of climbing the chart. But now you're still four in

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Speaker 1: the depth chart. Other guys get an opportunity. Now you

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Speaker 1: would think the team on the other side will be

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Speaker 1: better as we go, but your team will also be better,

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Speaker 1: and so the better players or the guys higher in

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Speaker 1: the depth chart are going to play with better talent.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the pressure does go on Trubisky and the

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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks. I don't think Flacco has to do anything

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Speaker 1: to it'll be his job. But to make the team,

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Speaker 1: your best ability is availability. That's a very cheesy, overused,

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Speaker 1: completely accurate NFL line.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I said Trubisky.

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Speaker 1: I meant Kenny Pickett, right, So you got Pickett, wo

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Speaker 1: of course started in Pittsburgh, has a lot of experience.

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Speaker 1: Then he got Dylan Gabriel, who they did draft ahead.

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Speaker 1: And again I've never said I'm a Dylan Gabriel fan.

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Speaker 1: But if you drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round

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Speaker 1: and then you draft to Shador Sanders in the fifth round,

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Speaker 1: I think Shador Sanders to me, and I think most people,

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Speaker 1: feels like a better kind of true quarterback, like he

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Speaker 1: has more potential and upside. Dylan Gabriel is small and

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a great arm and kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: moves round back there, but not a great athlete. Chador's

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Speaker 1: also doesn't have like a plus plus R but not

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Speaker 1: a super minus really accurate, a little bit bigger, probably

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Speaker 1: as or more athletic in terms of escaping stuff. So

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Speaker 1: if you draft Dylan Gabriel at three in the third round,

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Speaker 1: you're saying, we like this prospect on some level more

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Speaker 1: then we like Shadoor Sanders. And the guess is that

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Speaker 1: what they like about Dylan Gabriel is he does what

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Speaker 1: he's supposed to do. The ball goes where it's supposed

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Speaker 1: to go. And then he's egoist, so he could be

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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback and won't cause any ruckus. And if

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Speaker 1: you're a Chaudore and you do like naturally, you do

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Speaker 1: kind of change the temperature of the room. Some of

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Speaker 1: it's because of his dad, but a lot of it,

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Speaker 1: like let's just be honest, it's because of him and

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Speaker 1: his actions, and his actions are a lot like his dad.

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Speaker 1: But it'll be fascinating to see what happens based upon

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Speaker 1: what Pickett does, based upon what Dylan Gabriel does, and

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Speaker 1: based upon how long is he out? How long is

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Speaker 1: he out? And just like always here we are spending time. Here,

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Speaker 1: we are spending time worrying about a guy who may

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Speaker 1: or may not play or make a team that very

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Speaker 1: likely won't be a in consideration for the playoffs. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is what we do. And you could say, hey,

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Speaker 1: there's good to it. It brings attention to Cleveland Browns, like, eh,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's Stefanski's type. And remember, Shador doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the off the field baggage that a Johnny Manziel did.

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Speaker 1: But Johnny Manziel was kept, was drafted, kept played because

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Speaker 1: he had this big following, and they realized it didn't

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Speaker 1: matter because one he wasn't working at it and two

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Speaker 1: he wasn't good enough. And so my concern for Shaudoor

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Speaker 1: is that does the failings of Johnny Manziel ruboff on

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Speaker 1: him in addition to the fact that now he's not healthy.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, you guys, have have you ever

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Speaker 1: had an oblique injury? An oblique injury, it's it's not

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Speaker 1: as bad as your back, but it's similar to any

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Speaker 1: time you twist and move. So if you pull your oblique,

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Speaker 1: think about when you're throwing and all the you know

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Speaker 1: the dak fa see dak Prescott, which Hudorr Sanders does

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Speaker 1: in terms of opening up your hips. That's opening up

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Speaker 1: your oblique. And you know, we've all pulled muscles before.

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Speaker 1: What happens with the pulled muscle. You think you're fine,

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Speaker 1: you don't know, You give it a little extra time,

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Speaker 1: then you come back and like, oh, right in the

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Speaker 1: middle of it, you tweak it again. So good news

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Speaker 1: is Shador Sanders put together a really nice tape of

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Speaker 1: his first start. You know, a couple of a couple

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Speaker 1: of misfires, really a little bit confused against the defense

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Speaker 1: and suppressure early got it together after that played well.

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Speaker 1: So he's got some good tape. It looks like he

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Speaker 1: can be He could be an NFL quarterback despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that bad news is a couple of things. One

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Speaker 1: you look throughout the landscape of the league, a lot

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Speaker 1: of young quarterbacks having some success really And two, what

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Speaker 1: if he would have gotten another chance. It might not

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Speaker 1: matter because he might not have gotten a chance this

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Speaker 1: week or maybe even the third preseason game. And there

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Speaker 1: is there's always that wonderment of are they shutting him down?

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Speaker 1: Much like NBA team shut guys down or college players

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Speaker 1: shut it down if they have a good workout, Like

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Speaker 1: I had a good workout, I'm shutting it down. That's

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Speaker 1: where I'm going. I can only screw it up if

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Speaker 1: I go work out somewhere else, somewhere else and don't

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Speaker 1: play well. Here's Tony Grossi, by the way, who was

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Speaker 1: on with Colin Cowhard right before our show. They talked

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Speaker 1: about the confrontation Shador and him had after the preseason game.

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Speaker 2: So what did you say that it had him a

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Speaker 2: whole riled up?

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Speaker 7: You know, I don't know if there's anything specific. It's

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Speaker 7: just that since he arrived, I've treated him as just

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Speaker 7: one of the ninety players. He's got these legion, these

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Speaker 7: incredible legion of fans who think the Cleveland brown season

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Speaker 7: is all about Shador Sanders this year, and I've stayed

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Speaker 7: away from that mentality. Although we talked Shador constantly on

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Speaker 7: our ear, I have to be fair to you know,

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Speaker 7: what else is going on with the team, And there

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Speaker 7: have been a few things I question. The first time

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Speaker 7: at Rooking Mini camp, seeing Dylan Gabriel and Shudur Sanders

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Speaker 7: on the field together that first day, I came away

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Speaker 7: and said, I understand why the Browns took Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 7: ahead of Shadur Sanders. I thought Gabriel did some things

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Speaker 7: that Sanders.

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Speaker 5: At that time didn't do.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure there's one smoking gun thing that I

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Speaker 7: said to get him riled up.

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Speaker 5: And that was the first time.

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Speaker 7: You know, We've been in this camp for three going

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Speaker 7: on four weeks, and after that game was the first

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Speaker 7: time he said anything to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, do I think it's better than doing

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Speaker 1: it at the podium? Of course, of course, But there's

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Speaker 1: also like this is professional sports. Who cares that it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter it doesn't matter. And oh yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Tony Grossi is entitled to his opinion. But what you're

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Speaker 1: trying to do is intimidate a writer into writing positive

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Speaker 1: things about you, creating what anybody can consider a false narrative.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do now, by the way, And

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Speaker 1: where does it start? You know where it starts. It

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Speaker 1: starts at the top. But this is no different than

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Speaker 1: what Dion Sanders did. You know He would do this

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Speaker 1: all the time, confront media members if he felt like

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Speaker 1: they were saying saying something negative, like what is the

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Speaker 1: point there? What did you accomplish? So now, if you're

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Speaker 1: Tony Grossei, you're sitting there going, okay, well, I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to do my job. And if I say something

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Speaker 1: nice about Shadoor, people are gonna think I'm only saying

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Speaker 1: nice about something nice about Shador because he confronted me,

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Speaker 1: not because he earned it. And if you say something

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Speaker 1: negative about him, it's because Shadoor confronted him. And now

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Speaker 1: he's like, now I'll just be the skip baylist, I'll

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Speaker 1: just be negative. Guy, I get it. We all want

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Speaker 1: to correct people. I've done this myself, called people up

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Speaker 1: never you know, never in public view. And I know

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Speaker 1: this was sort of behind the scenes, but he's clearly

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Speaker 1: standing over him talking to him and saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: why didn't you write something positive. We all do it,

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Speaker 1: like we'll read things about ourselves, and when something's written

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Speaker 1: that's unfair, you want to have somebody point out. But

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Speaker 1: when you do it yourself, and I have done this

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Speaker 1: once myself, it does a couple of things. One it

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Speaker 1: takes you you'll never be in those headlines again on

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Speaker 1: some level. Or Two, it makes it when it gets

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Speaker 1: out that you've done this really awkward to read the

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Speaker 1: same person or listen to the same person's work, because

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Speaker 1: you don't know if they're saying what they're saying because

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Speaker 1: they're mad, or they're just being defensive, or what's actually

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Speaker 1: going on. I just think it's fascinating how many people,

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Speaker 1: how many people affect so many hosts, because it's like

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Speaker 1: he talks about Shador's lead to event, these are just

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Speaker 1: people on social media. They're not real people. They're not

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Speaker 1: and media members get dragged into it and take sides,

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Speaker 1: and the voices on social media get amplified. But my

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Speaker 1: advice to Shador Sanders is really simple. It's like it's

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Speaker 1: the take that for data or how you like that,

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Speaker 1: That's all you have to say. It's the same thing,

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Speaker 1: how you like that. It is exactly like what Shador

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Speaker 1: Sanders did, only it's more what he did was confrontational

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Speaker 1: and yeah, everywhere he goes there's going to be a camera,

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Speaker 1: and he knows there's going to be a camera.

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Speaker 2: Somebody was filming that. That was intentional.