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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. Clay, you know,

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Speaker 2: you never had to carry one of these. If you

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Speaker 2: lived in New York City.

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Speaker 1: You had no choice.

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Speaker 2: These vaccine passports, the vaccine passport, a little white.

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Speaker 3: I am so glad that I never had one of

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Speaker 3: these ever in my possession.

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Speaker 2: It was in New York City for a time, something

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Speaker 2: that would be checked so that you could go to restaurants,

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Speaker 2: checked so that you could go into your office building

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Speaker 2: where you work. I remember there was like a special

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Speaker 2: process to get into Fox News, you know, the people

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Speaker 2: were you had to shine.

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Speaker 3: I didn't travel to do any Fox News hits because

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Speaker 3: I wasn't allowed in the building.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So these the procedures that were in place, and they

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Speaker 2: gave you this passport. Now, what I think is worth

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Speaker 2: remembering about all of this is they were The entire

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Speaker 2: thing was wrong, and there has never been this day

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Speaker 2: been a an acknowledgment. I'm speaking specifically about the vaccine

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Speaker 2: passport program. It was about as wrong as the Test

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Speaker 2: and Trace program, which by June of twenty twenty, I

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Speaker 2: was doing radio shows play just endlessly ridiculing the test

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Speaker 2: able to figure out that if you you know, flew

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Speaker 2: register as if different state. Remember they were telling us, oh,

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Speaker 2: this state has more cases than that state, or whatever,

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Speaker 2: he flew out of state came back, you would get

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Speaker 2: an automated text message or phone call like three weeks

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Speaker 2: maybe after you'd returned. That was supposed to be like

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Speaker 2: checking up on you to make sure you've been so

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Speaker 2: social distancing. It was such a waste. The whole thing

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Speaker 2: was so utterly stupid, pointless, but also tyrannical. And I

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Speaker 2: look at these these little white pieces of paper that

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Speaker 2: on you have to do this because if you don't,

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Speaker 2: you are dangerous to the people around you. You are

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Speaker 2: endangering the lives of everybody you come into contact with

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Speaker 2: if you don't have a vaccine passport. And then we

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Speaker 2: found out that the vaccines You'll notice they didn't even

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Speaker 2: say anymore at all for COVID, the vaccines do not

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Speaker 2: stop you from getting or giving COVID to people at all,

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Speaker 2: period zero, no difference whatsoever. At best, they will say

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Speaker 2: the vaccines, we'll have some effect, some effect on hospitalization

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Speaker 2: and death. That's the thing that they will cling to

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Speaker 2: up to this point. But the whole program play was

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Speaker 2: built on this is so everyone is safe being around

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Speaker 2: each other. But the very purpose of that safety was

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Speaker 2: a fiction.

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Speaker 1: It was it was a figment. It was It was nonsense.

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Speaker 2: And no one has, like the CDC has never come

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Speaker 2: out and said we're sorry. This is kind of a

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Speaker 2: metaphor for everything that's happened with COVID. They're just stopping.

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Speaker 2: They're just not making vaccine passports anymore. They made eight

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Speaker 2: or nine hundred million of them. I mean, I get

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Speaker 2: consequences and let me just mention this speakin of no

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Speaker 2: consequences state of Kentucky. But there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: Kentuckians that listen to this show every day. We are

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Speaker 2: one of the top rated shows, if not the top

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Speaker 2: rated shows statewide in Kentucky. Right now, Daniel Cameron is

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Speaker 2: running against Andy Basheer. If you are listening to us

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Speaker 2: right now and you're like, well, I didn't live in

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Speaker 2: in Kentucky. The largest amount of tyranny that has occurred

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Speaker 2: on behalf of the government in any of your lives.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe buck the difference between the state of

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Speaker 2: in Louisville schools shut down wearing masks forever. If you

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Speaker 2: reelect Andy Basheer in Kentucky, a state frankly where he

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Speaker 2: never should have been elected. This is a Democrat governor

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Speaker 2: never should have been elected in the first place. That

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Speaker 2: is a fundamental failure of your voting process in the

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Speaker 2: smart Kentuckians. My family is all Kentuckians. They came down

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Speaker 2: A lot of the tra his family is still in

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Speaker 3: All my great grandparents are buried. Great great grandparents are

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Speaker 1: Up election in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: And to me, Buck, we still have seen zero consequences

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Speaker 3: from all these failures. Democrats just keep re electing the

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Speaker 3: people who were wrong on everything related to COVID and Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: If you elect reelect Andy Basheer, you're effectively rubber stamping

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Speaker 3: You've got to vote for Daniel Cameron. I'm fired up

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Speaker 3: about this election. We need to get Daniel on the

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Speaker 3: show again. He's a great candidate. He should win all

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Speaker 3: of it. You know, I like to look at betting markets.

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Speaker 3: He's the underdog right now. Right now, Andy Basheer, the

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Speaker 2: I know there are there are other considerations for people,

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Speaker 2: how does it make you feel to vote for this

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Speaker 2: the fact that Kentucky had extreme COVID measures is mind blowing, honest,

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, it's just completely you know, it

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Speaker 2: a really sad part of a great states, you know,

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Speaker 2: recent history. But it's true in so many of these places.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the CDC, you have to wonder, at Clay,

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Speaker 2: why aren't they making more vaccine passports? Like what what happened?

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Speaker 2: What happened to the program?

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Speaker 1: Guys? I thought this was necessary to keep us all safe.

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Speaker 2: They also were trying to do the oh we're combining

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Speaker 2: everything so now for flu season, to get your get

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Speaker 1: That was the play they were gonna mess the.

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey special while he's getting called mister Pfizer by

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Speaker 2: But yes, and Kelsey absolutely deserves it, and he deserves

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Speaker 2: I think all of these different policies and all these

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Speaker 2: It's for the future of this country. I think it's

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Speaker 2: about what kind of a nation we are. When they

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Speaker 1: I mean, the things that they were doing were so.

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Speaker 2: Above and you know, so beyond the lines, such violations

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Speaker 2: know that it's just okay, the CDC is not making

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Speaker 2: all of this? I would wonder, why isn't there Republican candidate?

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Speaker 2: Aren'ty the Republican candidates saying that they would, you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like these wrongs have not been righted.

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Speaker 2: And maybe I'm just still focused on this because this

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Speaker 3: If I had been living in your apartment in New

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Speaker 3: not even kidding, I would have gone absolutely bonkers.

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Speaker 1: To me, the only reason to live in New.

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Speaker 3: Most average people don't live in New York City because

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Speaker 3: that and basically said stay in your tiny little apartment

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Speaker 1: To kill people. I was.

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Speaker 2: I was guilted into a birthday dinner in January of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're just watching. You're like under you know,

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Speaker 2: Life below zero. That's one of those shows, you know,

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Speaker 2: those kinds of things. I was that guy. It was

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Speaker 2: a cold for most people anyway, for ninety nine point

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Speaker 2: whatever percent of people who got it, I'll never forget

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Speaker 3: We can't even point to a policy Petitian who bore

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Speaker 3: I understand everybody's busy. I understand that sometimes elections fly

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Speaker 3: show up and vote for Daniel Cameron. Don't forget what

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Speaker 3: Andy Basheer did to you in twenty twenty. In twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one, he made you your kids couldn't go to school,

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Speaker 3: was shut down indefensively. Now, look, Buck, you know what

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Speaker 3: happened in Virginia. They said, we're going to vote a

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Speaker 3: Republican in Glenn Youngkin. People in Virginia, which is a

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Speaker 3: much bluer state than Kentucky, they said, hey, now wasn't

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Speaker 3: But they voted in Glenn Youngkin. I think that was

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Speaker 3: certainly connected to COVID twenty twenty one, they almost voted

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Speaker 3: It got close in that race. Nobody saw that coming. Kentucky,

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Speaker 3: you have an opportunity to actually force a reckoning on

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Speaker 3: because you're a red state. I'm gonna be really disappointed

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Speaker 3: if Andy Basheer wins. Daniel Cameron is an infinitely better choice.

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Speaker 3: Judy from Kentucky has great taste. Eighty three year old

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Speaker 3: She wanted to let everybody know absentee ballots in Kentucky

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Speaker 1: So all of that. President Trump.

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Speaker 1: This is the Jack Smith case.

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Speaker 3: The motion says presidential immunity dismisses the case in its entirety.

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Speaker 1: But the goal clearly here.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, team.

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Speaker 2: We have Stephen Miller with us now former Trump senior advisor.

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Speaker 2: He's currently the President of America First Legal. Steven, our buddy.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you back, Great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Can we start with the border because you were, in

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Speaker 1: Like, what do you make of all that noise?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would be very careful here not to engage

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Speaker 1: You have been outspoken.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on with Stephen about a lot of

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Speaker 3: What do you think about what's going on in the House?

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Speaker 3: There are reports that he's going to DC potentially on Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a lot of great questions there. Let

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Speaker 4: So first, with respect to what happened to Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 4: My basic principle on this is that you can never

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Speaker 4: said that he'd be willing to serve in an interim capacity,

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Speaker 4: obviously not in a longer term capacity because he's focused

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Speaker 4: on running for and being president, but as a transitional leader.

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Speaker 4: That makes an enormous amount of sense to me to

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Speaker 4: basically say, well, the House Republicans are all over the place.

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Speaker 4: They need time to get everything in order to figure

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Speaker 4: out a plan, to figure out a strategy. So who

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Speaker 4: can be a caretaker of the institution while they're working

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Speaker 4: in all of that, and then during that period of time,

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Speaker 4: of course, can go to my earlier point, can take

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Speaker 4: the fight directly. I mean, this would be very direct.

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Speaker 4: What is it take the fight directly to Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: and to the deep state for that matter too, and

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Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer and all.

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Speaker 3: So this is really interesting, by the way, I start

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Speaker 3: to cut you off, Stephen when you say interim. Obviously

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Speaker 3: the election is in thirteen months. What to you does

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Speaker 3: interim look like? How many months are we talking about that?

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Speaker 3: You think it would make sense for Trump to potentially

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Speaker 3: be Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's a master in agotia yet or obviously so

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Speaker 4: he's keeping his cards cards close to his chest on

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Speaker 4: what length of time that would be. But just thinking,

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Speaker 4: you know, this is just me talking here. I don't

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Speaker 4: think that means from today until until the election. I

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Speaker 4: think it's a shorter time period than that. I think

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Speaker 4: it's you know, I mean, certainly, you know, it would

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Speaker 4: be longer than days, some number of weeks. If it

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Speaker 4: were to be months, it would be a short number

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Speaker 4: of months, I would think. But again that's just that's

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Speaker 4: just sort of me thinking about it enough that you

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Speaker 4: can send off the subpoenas need to send off, launch

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Speaker 4: the investigations that you need to launch, pass the bills

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Speaker 4: that you need to pass, get through the shutdown side, uh,

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Speaker 4: and then presumably at that point you could hand it

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Speaker 4: off to to some of that you would hope would

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Speaker 4: be in that job for you know, five six seven years.

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Speaker 2: Speaking to Stephen Miller, he's the President of America. First

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Speaker 2: legal Stephen, how how do you feel about the possibility

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Speaker 2: that this, uh, this Trump motion right now, the President

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Speaker 2: Trump's motion to get the case dismiss in DC, may

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Speaker 2: bear some fruit down the line. And I mean, what

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Speaker 2: are your sort of general thoughts about the legal challenges

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Speaker 2: in legal peril that he faces as he's running for

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Speaker 2: president and maybe.

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Speaker 1: Maybe going to be Speaker of the House for a

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Speaker 1: few months.

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Speaker 4: Well, if we lished in the country that just made

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Speaker 4: legal decisions based on what the law said that his

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Speaker 4: then his motion would carry the case that you've thrown out,

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Speaker 4: and that at the end of the conversation, it is

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Speaker 4: a bedrock principle of our country. The presidents are constitutionally

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Speaker 4: immune from civil or criminal prosecution and their senior aids

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Speaker 4: with that matter for actions that are carried out as

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Speaker 4: official office holders. So for example, we're talking about the

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Speaker 4: Electoral Count Act. In this case, what is the Electoral

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Speaker 4: Count Act? It is a federal law. What is the

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Speaker 4: job of a president, as written in the Constitution to

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Speaker 4: take care that the laws be faithfully executed. Who oversees

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice, which investigates election fraud by law

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Speaker 4: the president. So by definition, anything that he is doing

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Speaker 4: to either pursue election fraud or to carry out the

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Speaker 4: Electoral Count Act is him conducting official activity. The things

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Speaker 4: that are not in that realm, the things that we

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Speaker 4: would be talking about it would be in that realm,

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Speaker 4: will be for example, if you if you like poison

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Speaker 4: to somebody or something, or if you if you walked

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Speaker 4: up into the street and just a punch a guy

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Speaker 4: in the face and we're you know, charged with assault.

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Speaker 4: I mean, these are these are very clear lines. These

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Speaker 4: aren't hard to delineate between when a president is being

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Speaker 4: a president, or so when a private citizen is doing

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Speaker 4: what a private citizen does in their own lives. I mean,

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Speaker 4: simple way to think about it as this, if there's

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Speaker 4: an action that you couldn't do if you weren't president,

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Speaker 4: then that's more of a private action. Right. So in

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Speaker 4: other words, no private citizen has the ability to have

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice. Right, take a look at election

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Speaker 4: from right, it's the thing that you could only do

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Speaker 4: as president. Then definitionally, these are your official presidential duties.

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Speaker 4: The argument that the other side makes and I apologize

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Speaker 4: or filibustering here, but the radical left makes it. They say,

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Speaker 4: oh no, no, these are campaign activities. No, they're not campaign activities.

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Speaker 4: This is in the post election period when the question

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Speaker 4: of fraud is being litigated, which is a law enforcement question.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, if there's even a debate over it,

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Speaker 4: then the immunity applies because if you have the view

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Speaker 4: that even which I don't, but even if you said, well,

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Speaker 4: there there's an argument on both sides, the mere fact

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Speaker 4: that they're being an argument means that it is immune,

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Speaker 4: because otherwise the immunity means nothing. In other words, if

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Speaker 4: someone in the future from a different party can say well,

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Speaker 4: I don't think this was an official action, then the

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Speaker 4: immunity that a president has to do his job ceases

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Speaker 4: to exist. So, for example, if a president orders an

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Speaker 4: air strike before an election and people think that the

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Speaker 4: air strike was designed to help us campaign and innocent

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Speaker 4: people die, should that president in this hypothetical be charged

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Speaker 4: with murder because under the theory that they're advocating, then that

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Speaker 4: would be the case. And of course this isn't that,

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Speaker 4: because we're talking about something is innocent and harmless as

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Speaker 4: out the kinds of absurdity that this new legal doctor

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Speaker 4: would lead to.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller of America First Legal, Steven, we always appreciate

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Speaker 2: you coming by.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Finish Up Thursday edition of the program.

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Speaker 3: Steven Miller Buck reacting to that interview we just did.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I like Steven, he is I think

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Speaker 3: uniquely qualified to fix the situation on the southern border,

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Speaker 3: more versed and well informed on border law border regulations

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Speaker 3: than almost anybody in the country period, and one of

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Speaker 3: the big brains in the Trump White House. And he's

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Speaker 3: a super smart guy. The fact that he says he

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Speaker 3: thinks Trump may be interested in being Speaker of the

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Speaker 3: House makes me think, buck, that Trump may be interested

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Speaker 3: in being Speaker of the House. And for those of

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Speaker 3: you out there who had not been paying attention and

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Speaker 3: have not heard this news, there is a report that

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Speaker 3: Trump is traveling to DC and will address the entire

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Speaker 3: House caucus on Tuesday. Can you imagine what would happen

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Speaker 3: if Trump put himself forward to potentially be the Speaker

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Speaker 3: of the House.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how the vote would go. I honestly don't.

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Speaker 3: There are eighteen House Republicans in districts that were won

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Speaker 3: by Joe Biden. And let me repeat that, because it's

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Speaker 3: a little bit confusing of a phrase. Eighteen currently serving

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Speaker 3: House Republicans were elected in districts that Joe Biden won

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Speaker 3: the presidential race in. In other words, they flipped right.

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Speaker 3: The Republican was able to win the House seat even

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Speaker 3: though Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in that district. I

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Speaker 3: would imagine of everybody those eighteen House Republicans would think,

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Speaker 3: are you kidding me?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Suddenly I have to vote on whether Donald Trump should

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Speaker 3: be Speaker of the House while representing a district that

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden won. That is a tough proposition to put

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Speaker 3: those guys and gals into, But in terms of just

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Speaker 3: grabbing control of the national narrative, and I think probably

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Speaker 3: in the Trump people's mind, effectively ending any claim that

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Speaker 3: there's a Republican primary going on, because it would soak

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Speaker 3: up all the oxygen. I said, we're one hundred days

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Speaker 3: out from the vote in Iowa. It feels very Trumpian

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Speaker 3: in that sense.

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Speaker 2: I mean it would be if this were to happen,

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Speaker 2: and it's an amazing thing to talk about it out

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Speaker 2: loud and not just be kidding. If it were to happen,

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Speaker 2: it would effectively be the elevation of Trump as the

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Speaker 2: official head of the Republican Party in advance of the primary,

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Speaker 2: and in advance of the primary being over and Trump

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Speaker 2: being declared the likely winner. We know it's not actually

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Speaker 2: over yet, but certainly the polls you're now talking about,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could say this for someone other than

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Speaker 2: Trump to be the president. There would have to be

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Speaker 2: some kind I'm sorry, to be the nominee. There would

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Speaker 2: have to be some kind of cataclysmic event, right, bolt

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Speaker 2: of lightning situation. Fine, Or it would be the greatest

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Speaker 2: presidential primary comeback, certainly in living memory.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you could say, I think it'd

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Speaker 1: probably have to be in history.

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Speaker 3: I don't We're obviously not super savvy on nineteenth century

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Speaker 3: and you know, presidential primary races. I have no idea

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Speaker 3: how they happened or how competitive they were by and large.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think historically, again this is me being

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Speaker 3: my history nerd, I think the party almost always picked

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Speaker 3: the nominees back in the day. Right, So even the

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Speaker 3: idea of a presidential primary process where you're trying to

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Speaker 3: select the nominee meaning you and me and all the

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Speaker 3: other voters out there, is a relatively modern invention. So

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Speaker 3: there's never been anybody who would come back. And we

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Speaker 3: should mention DeSantis is the clear number two in all

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Speaker 3: polling in Iowa. Seems likely that he's going to be

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Speaker 3: finished second, assuming that that continues. But then New Hampshire

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Speaker 3: is wide open. South Carolina is wide open. I mean

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Speaker 3: in terms of who would be in second place. Nicki

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Speaker 3: Haley seems to have made a strong move in New

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Speaker 3: Hampshire and in South Carolina. But again, and I would

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Speaker 3: say this, no matter whether there was this idea of

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Speaker 3: the House speakership or not, Buck, you only have like

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Speaker 3: six weeks now of American attention until we get into Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 3: until we get into Christmas, until we get into New Years,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of people are just going to be

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Speaker 3: so busy that they're not going to be paying attention

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Speaker 3: to the day to day of the political process. Maybe

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Speaker 3: in Iowa they're paying a little bit more attention because

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Speaker 3: the candidates are always there, But it's hard to get

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Speaker 3: people's attention. You know this in your own life when

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Speaker 3: it gets to be holiday season and everybody's got all

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Speaker 3: the different parties and he got all the friends and

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Speaker 3: family and everything else associated with that. Most people tune

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Speaker 3: out from about Thanksgiving to New Years in terms of

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Speaker 3: paying a lot of attention to current events and national stories.

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Speaker 3: So making a move is basically necessary in the next

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Speaker 3: six weeks.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 2: It will be a very interesting process to see it

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Speaker 2: play out. We're honored that you'll be here hanging out

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Speaker 2: This is going to be new for me. Apparently, it's

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Speaker 2: a lot of walks. At least you live in a

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Speaker 2: really nice area. The walks are tougher when it's super

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Speaker 2: cold in winter. I think you'll enjoy most of those

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Speaker 1: You are talking to my flipflops.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk tomorrow everybody, So see you guys Monday,