Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bucko Territory, presented to
Speaker 2: you by the Foul Territory Network on Noahile's. Joining me
Speaker 2: as always are my co hosts, Josh Harrison and Platinum
Speaker 2: Key aka Mark. It is a mail bag Wednesday where
Speaker 2: we review your trade targets for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of submissions this week.
Speaker 2: You can tell the trade deadline is approaching and a
Speaker 2: lot of really good names suggested. I. You know, we
Speaker 2: we've kind of veered away from the basic, you know,
Speaker 2: household name relievers and we're getting into the weeds and
Speaker 2: these are.
Speaker 1: Some very intriguing names.
Speaker 2: So if you look at the board, we have Trevor Rodgers,
Speaker 2: we have Peter Lambert, and we have Huscar Barb Yes yeah,
Speaker 2: Rosbon Yeah what they said.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so he's got to. But the reason I wanted
Speaker 1: to point out.
Speaker 2: These names we're gonna review each of them in a
Speaker 2: different segment, is we have two starting pitchers here as
Speaker 2: opposed to one reliever, which I think is notable because it's.
Speaker 1: Looking like they might need help covering innings. And that's
Speaker 1: how we're gonna get started right now with Rogers.
Speaker 2: Uh, he is gonna open the first segment and Mark
Speaker 2: take up, take it away, pitch us on, mister Rogers.
Speaker 3: Trevor Rodgers, Yeah, Rogers, yeah, all good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I saw his name pop up, I actually got
Speaker 4: kind of excited because I know, we we've said, you know,
Speaker 4: we don't really need lefties obviously, but that's when we
Speaker 4: were talking bullpen. And as you look at the starting staff, obviously, uh,
Speaker 4: you know there might be some innings that need to
Speaker 4: be limited for some people that you might need to
Speaker 4: be you know, somebody's that's got to take the bulk
Speaker 4: of it. And you know what better way than finding
Speaker 4: somebody that you know, is a starter that's used to,
Speaker 4: you know, going some innings and has also I don't
Speaker 4: want to say, been shipped around, but it is not
Speaker 4: unfamiliar to you know, New territory. And one he's a
Speaker 4: lefty and when you look at it, I got excited
Speaker 4: looking at you know, the fastball run value. To me,
Speaker 4: it looks like he's pitching aggressively with his fastball and
Speaker 4: I love to see that, but you know, because I
Speaker 4: think that just sets up everything else. And obviously if
Speaker 4: you look at his off speed, I don't think his
Speaker 4: off speed has been doing too well, but his fastball
Speaker 4: is doing enough, and I don't know if that's due
Speaker 4: to his extension, which I've actually faced him, and I
Speaker 4: remember he was in Miami. He was kind of a
Speaker 4: taller lefty that had a little bit of you know,
Speaker 4: length to him, and his fastball could play up a
Speaker 4: little bit. But you know, obviously a guy that's that's
Speaker 4: in his own pitches with his fastball and you know,
Speaker 4: with this offense, I think he's a guy that could
Speaker 4: fit into this you know, pitching rotation pretty well because
Speaker 4: he's gonna be aggressive with his fastball. And you know,
Speaker 4: I saw it and looking at it, Noah, the one
Speaker 4: thing that you said, pirates like his extension, and he
Speaker 4: was in a red thing, so I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: that's something that you know pirates do like. And as
Speaker 4: a starter, I don't, you know, I don't dislike, you know,
Speaker 4: having this addition, because he's somebody that I think a
Speaker 4: bolster of staff, which you know, you make your starting
Speaker 4: staff better, you make your willpin better.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I'll just add one more thing. I mean one.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a ton of control remaining money.
Speaker 4: I think he's a free agent. Yeah, free agent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there I think there is a no, he's.
Speaker 4: I think he's going for Actually, I think this is
Speaker 4: he's in his last year of arbitration right now.
Speaker 1: I believe for Rogers. Now, what I'm looking at says
Speaker 1: something a lot different.
Speaker 2: It says he's going to be do thirteen million in
Speaker 2: the next two seasons and then conditioned club option in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine, is what I'm seeing.
Speaker 3: His Baseball reference list twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Nope, that's because I'm looking at Okay, I gonna say,
Speaker 2: there's too many people with the last name Rogers who
Speaker 2: pitching major League Baseball, so I'm not even gonna wear it.
Speaker 3: Some of them like what the heck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was confused.
Speaker 4: I was like, dang, did I look at the no.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, he's making six million this year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: He's a free agent. So I'm thinking, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: maybe nothing too pricey, right, which that was the other
Speaker 4: thing that made it appealing.
Speaker 2: Yes, And the other thing so with that price point,
Speaker 2: yes is a rental left hander.
Speaker 1: They left these with the extension do very well at
Speaker 1: PNC Park. And the other thing I really like about yes, there.
Speaker 2: The other thing I really like about him, if you
Speaker 2: look at his game log, he has gone at least
Speaker 2: five innings in every start since May twenty fourth. He
Speaker 2: is going to come in and cover innings for you.
Speaker 2: That's what That's what you need.
Speaker 1: You just need. I don't care if it's a righty
Speaker 1: or a lefty.
Speaker 2: You need guys who are going to pitch for more
Speaker 2: than half the game throughout the rest of July, August
Speaker 2: and September. And I don't know how many guys you
Speaker 2: have in this rotation you can depend on to do that,
Speaker 2: Like they should all be able to do it, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're going to get that five
Speaker 2: times a week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or let them So that's that's I think a
Speaker 1: big selling point. Mark. Do you have anything to add
Speaker 1: on this one?
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's just been a tale of two different halves
Speaker 3: for Trevor Rodgers this year.
Speaker 5: His e RA.
Speaker 3: In May was a ten point three to one. Since then,
Speaker 3: though in June two point oh five, in July one
Speaker 3: point oh four, he's really really come into his own.
Speaker 3: The Orioles starting rotation kind of went through some some injuries,
Speaker 3: and he's really stepped up massively for them, since I
Speaker 3: think June fourth is really like the cutoff date since
Speaker 3: he's come on so nice to see that he's figured
Speaker 3: some stuff out. Uh, and maybe the Pirates are getting
Speaker 3: him right at the right time where he's got an
Speaker 3: edge on the rest of the league.
Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, Yeah, I really like this recommendation. I
Speaker 2: think this is probably one of the better targets for
Speaker 2: the Pirates. I think he checks a lot of boxes.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be very affordable for them.
Speaker 2: And I mean the Orioles have been a frequent trade
Speaker 2: partner for the Pots, like, yeah, have done a lot
Speaker 2: of business, so yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean even time there, I just feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: spring training was so close, like there.
Speaker 1: Was always exactly Yeah.
Speaker 2: You guys get a very good look at the Orioles
Speaker 2: in spring training and vice versa, so they have probably
Speaker 2: an advanced scout on Pirates.
Speaker 1: I don't think that probably plays a factor in it too.
Speaker 3: One final note too on Rogers that just popped into
Speaker 3: my head. One of the things that he struggled with
Speaker 3: was getting acclimated with Samuel Beside, the young catcher for
Speaker 3: the Orioles who's been catching him. That transition was it
Speaker 3: seems to be attributed to like the struggles in May
Speaker 3: for Rogers. But you know, if we've mentioned this before,
Speaker 3: if you're trading starting Pitcher Catcher, that relationship has to
Speaker 3: reform once he gets to the Pirates. So maybe a
Speaker 3: little blit, but seems like he's figured things out, So
Speaker 3: I'm optimistic about Rogers would be a great fit.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we are going to take a quick break,
Speaker 2: then we'll get into our next trade target.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Mark, all right, take the reins up. Next,
Speaker 3: here are our most recommended trade target, Wascar Brazabon, who
Speaker 3: we got a ton of suggestions from David Jack saying
Speaker 3: ex respector spaghetti Eddy great name, Hunter Lewis. Thank you
Speaker 3: all for the suggestions, and it's easy to see why
Speaker 3: Brazibon is so appealing, as like a future Pirate's the
Speaker 3: one thing that jumps out to me. First. He's thirty six,
Speaker 3: which is slightly concerning. However, he only made his major
Speaker 3: league debut in July twenty twenty two against the Pirates. Actually,
Speaker 3: so he only has just over two years of service time,
Speaker 3: which means he's about to enter his first year arbitration.
Speaker 3: And you look at his statcast page, he just does
Speaker 3: not give up hard contact at all. He's only allowed
Speaker 3: three home runs this year and forty seven point two
Speaker 3: innings pitched, and his career high is six home runs
Speaker 3: in a season and speaking season highs. That's one of
Speaker 3: my concerns here. He's already thrown forty seven point two
Speaker 3: innings pitched. That's a lot of tread on the tires
Speaker 3: for a thirty six year old, so that's slightly concerning.
Speaker 3: But he's really made the most of those innings. He
Speaker 3: has one point four b war. You can see he's
Speaker 3: basically just a sinker change up guy. The sinker is
Speaker 3: nasty and the change up sits about ninety point seven
Speaker 3: percent his if I was watching some clips of him
Speaker 3: from the World Baseball Classic where when the Damaican played
Speaker 3: Venezuela and that sinker just ate up Jackson Turio, ate
Speaker 3: up Ronald Acuna Junior and he just ended up with
Speaker 3: three strikeouts in the fourth inning against Venezuela. So a
Speaker 3: lot a lot to like about the guy. Only one
Speaker 3: point zero seven whip and it should be pretty cheap
Speaker 3: for the Pirates to acquire. The Mets picked him up
Speaker 3: from the Marlins in twenty twenty four for twenty year
Speaker 3: old who wasn't even in their top thirty prospects preseason.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the Mets are at very clearly
Speaker 3: sellers this year, and this bullpen would be a great
Speaker 3: place to buy from if I'm in the Pirates. What
Speaker 3: you guys think about Brazabon.
Speaker 1: I'll go real quick.
Speaker 2: I I like him as a rental and I know
Speaker 2: the whole thing is he has all this year, all
Speaker 2: these years of control, he's thirty six. His workload is
Speaker 2: like at a career high. This guy ain't gonna be
Speaker 2: in the league much like, I mean, I hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I don't root for people to fade or blow out,
Speaker 2: but it's just like there are a lot of signs
Speaker 2: there that says that, like, there could be a pretty
Speaker 2: big decline.
Speaker 3: He's never thrown more than sixty eight's in the season.
Speaker 4: You're just going off of, you know, the law of
Speaker 4: you know what you would call averages two basically.
Speaker 1: You know exactly.
Speaker 4: But but you're also not down playing the day. He
Speaker 4: could be a guy that does get better as he
Speaker 4: gets older.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he figured it out and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: So that the other Yeah, it's it's concerning in the
Speaker 7: walk rate is the only two things that like, I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm not saying the Pirates shouldn't go after this guy.
Speaker 1: They totally shouldn't. He makes a fund of sense.
Speaker 2: But like, I wouldn't pay too much for him just
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't expect him.
Speaker 1: I guess I wouldn't depend on him to.
Speaker 2: Be a piece of my bullpen next year. I would
Speaker 2: view him as a rental acquisition, and anything you get
Speaker 2: after this year from him would be considered bonus. So
Speaker 2: I would put a price tag on him of what
Speaker 2: I would have a price tag for a very effective rental,
Speaker 2: right handed.
Speaker 3: Really, do you think the Pirates would have to give
Speaker 3: up even like a top thirty prospect for him.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know, Like maybe yeah, Like it's
Speaker 2: hard to quantify. It depends what his market is.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I wouldn't know. But I know you showed
Speaker 4: some video of me getting hits against Rogers. I think
Speaker 4: I might have a hit off.
Speaker 3: Bro, you got a walk. I was your over one
Speaker 3: against him with a walk. That's I read it.
Speaker 6: Rock.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Remember he asked when you was describing a sinker. I remember,
Speaker 4: you know he was with Miami. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this dude's got some heavy sink and you see it there,
Speaker 4: uh the baseball page. I think ninety nine percentile and
Speaker 4: ground ball I think even ain't hard hit percentage, like
Speaker 4: contact against him is not hard, not at all, so
Speaker 4: like like, and that's due to that sinker. You said,
Speaker 4: sinker change up and it's really the sinker because it's
Speaker 4: it's a nasty sinker. And you know, obviously he's a
Speaker 4: guy I do agree can help the bullpen. But you
Speaker 4: know what relievers are always I don't like to say,
Speaker 4: but relievers are are you know, going to be part
Speaker 4: of a caresel. So as you mentioned, though, it's not
Speaker 4: uncommon to see to say that if he would be
Speaker 4: a rental, you don't know what you get past that.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, somebody that I
Speaker 4: played with that was you know, considered that Jason Grilly
Speaker 4: got better as he got older, so you never know,
Speaker 4: you know, and he kind of revived his career in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: But not saying that Brazaban will come here and be
Speaker 4: Jason Grilly or whatever, just you know, saying that there
Speaker 4: are two sides that we've seen play out and very
Speaker 4: very interesting case. But you know, it's to argue that
Speaker 4: groundball percentage and you know the contact against them is
Speaker 4: very weak.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, we're going to take another break when
Speaker 2: we come back. Final trade target. It's Peter Lambert. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about it here. I'm Bucko Territory next.
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Speaker 2: All Right, Peter Lambert, our final of the three on
Speaker 2: today's show. I'm gonna start actually before we go to
Speaker 2: the savant page, by just talking about his ability to
Speaker 2: pitch deep into games, because that's the selling point here.
Speaker 2: Another rental player, a guy who's gonna be a free agent.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read through. He's made. How many starts
Speaker 1: has he made this year?
Speaker 3: Sixteen?
Speaker 2: I have the number sixteen. Fourteen of them have been
Speaker 2: five innings or more, cool so, and the two that
Speaker 2: weren't were four and two thirds and four and one thirds,
Speaker 2: So it's not like he's ever really got shelled. So
Speaker 2: he pitches deep into games. I see one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: seven innings starts there, and a lot more in the
Speaker 2: sixth right hander. But a guy again, a guy who
Speaker 2: covers innings. And then you look at the savant page.
Speaker 2: Pitching run values, fine, fastball run values, good off speed,
Speaker 2: off speed is solid, breaking is slightly above average. And
Speaker 2: then like the rest of the under the hood metrics,
Speaker 2: they're not great, but they're not horrible.
Speaker 1: Right, I Mean, this is what a number five.
Speaker 2: Starter on a really good exactly looks like, and that's
Speaker 2: what he would be.
Speaker 1: This is what the Pirates need Mitch Keller to be.
Speaker 3: I was just about to say that sounds a lot
Speaker 3: like what we want Mitch Keller to pitch, Like, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He would come for like one fifteenth of the price.
Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's my selling point is this is
Speaker 2: what Mitch Keller's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't pitch, well, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I actually think he might have a decent
Speaker 2: sized market, just because the starting pitching market's gonna be
Speaker 2: kind of wonk, like I don't know how many true
Speaker 2: studs will be available, So this will be a guy
Speaker 2: that I mean, if you're looking for someone who can
Speaker 2: be a middle of the rotation arm, someone who can
Speaker 2: cover innings, someone who will be you know, he probably
Speaker 2: won't win you a ton of games. He definitely won't
Speaker 2: lose you a lot of games either. This is what
Speaker 2: you're getting, and I think that that's a pretty attractive
Speaker 2: trade chip for a lot of teams.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I wouldn't disagree. I played with his brother. I
Speaker 4: think got brother Jimmy plays with brother Jimmy in Chicago.
Speaker 4: But as you said, looking at the metrics, it's hard
Speaker 4: to not you know, justify you know, a case of
Speaker 4: you know, acquiring somebody like him, especially as you mentioned,
Speaker 4: like what you would want from a fifth starter, and
Speaker 4: not to mention he's doing this with some of his
Speaker 4: starts in Houston, which is a hitter friendly park, you know,
Speaker 4: and I'm where people don't really want to talk about it,
Speaker 4: but same thing for hitters. You know, when you play
Speaker 4: in certain parks or pitching certain parks, you know, to
Speaker 4: do that at you know, in Houston's that's not bad man,
Speaker 4: And as you said, nothing really jumps out at you.
Speaker 4: But it's a guy that probably knows how to pitch,
Speaker 4: that understands his stuff, and he knows he I'm getting
Speaker 4: into the book pen, but I'm going five to six
Speaker 4: and potentially these are guys that are I don't want
Speaker 4: to call steals, but like these are guys that end
Speaker 4: up playing a big part in postseason runs for teams.
Speaker 4: So once again, it's a lot to like when you
Speaker 4: see a guy like that that is contributing the way
Speaker 4: that he is because as you mentioned, not really putting
Speaker 4: himself in a position to hurt the team and keeping
Speaker 4: his team in the game, and you know, pitching well
Speaker 4: and at least into the fifth inning of games, and
Speaker 4: that's all you can ask for, especially a guy that
Speaker 4: you're not considering as your horse.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that, Josh, I'll just round this out. You
Speaker 3: mentioned that ballparks play such a big factor. If you
Speaker 3: look at his twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: you'll notice the era in the fives prior to this year.
Speaker 3: He was pitching for the Colorado Rockies before then, so
Speaker 3: a little bit of course field effect for that. And yeah,
Speaker 3: since he's been in Houston, he's been really really good
Speaker 3: two point seven b war already this year. Just contributing
Speaker 3: really well would be a significant upgrade to the rotation
Speaker 3: and another option of a guy who could eat innans.
Speaker 3: The My only concern is I like the fit more
Speaker 3: of Trevor Rodgers with the left handed pitching. But but
Speaker 3: you're gonna get Lambert for so much cheaper that the
Speaker 3: hand Inness you could off. Yeah, yeah, it make it
Speaker 3: makes sense exactly.
Speaker 1: Why not get them both?
Speaker 3: Right? Load up all three? Why not?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Trade for everyone?
Speaker 3: Just you know, I had like four more guys to
Speaker 3: the twenty six man who cares?
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Speaker 2: out today?
Speaker 3: Uh s Merlyn Valdez the year, Yeah, it needs more attention.
Speaker 3: Opposite field four.
Speaker 4: Easy leaned on it.
Speaker 1: Just a lot of z Merlin Valdez.
Speaker 2: I won on ninety three seven the Fan today, and
Speaker 2: they do this game when I go on and I
Speaker 2: freaking hate doing it. They'll be like, we're gonna name
Speaker 2: a guy, what's the percentage he gets traded? If you
Speaker 2: have a fraction of brain, you know that none of
Speaker 2: the shit matters. And I don't care that. I just
Speaker 2: swore we're keeping it in because it's all You cannot
Speaker 2: quantify the odds of someone getting traded.
Speaker 1: It's completely subjective.
Speaker 2: It's just whatever, So I just say a number that
Speaker 2: comes in my mind. I said, there is a two
Speaker 2: percent chance as Merlin Valdez gets traded. If you told
Speaker 2: me tomorrow morning when I wake up, if I had
Speaker 2: a two percent chance to poop my pants, I would
Speaker 2: take those odds.
Speaker 1: I would be happy. I would be optimistic that I
Speaker 1: was not gonna poop my pants.
Speaker 9: Yeah, people are losing their minds on Twitter because I
Speaker 9: as if I just reported that there's a two percent
Speaker 9: chance that he's gonna get traded.
Speaker 1: Guys, I get it. The buckos are entertaining. They're in
Speaker 1: the midst of a playoff run.
Speaker 2: Potentially, you want to see him out at the deadline
Speaker 2: as Rulin Valdez isn't getting traded. It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. If you keep tweeting at me. Next time
Speaker 2: I go on, I'm gonna say it's a five percent chance.
Speaker 1: I'll keep going on.
Speaker 3: The trade rumors will start. Yeah, maybe that will get
Speaker 3: his name out in the national media.
Speaker 1: Finally, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't put that evil
Speaker 1: on the MLB trade rumors.
Speaker 2: That's caused me too many game problems over my career.
Speaker 2: All right, anyway, sorry to go on that rant. Hope
Speaker 2: all of our listeners stick stuck around until the end
Speaker 2: to enjoy that one. It's a fun time baseball season,
Speaker 2: yes for latinam ke A k A Mark, and Josh Harrison.
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