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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Chris Raybond and this is our NFC

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Speaker 3: Training Camp episode.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to check out our AFC pod which is

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Speaker 1: up now. We go really in depth.

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Speaker 3: When I say we, I'm talking about the Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: of degenerate Nation, stucky stuck.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Doing well?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Ready to keep the ambling session going on the NFC.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it just it seems like there's just there's

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Speaker 3: not a lot of certainty heading into this year. And

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Speaker 3: the NFC is kind of always liked that it goes

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Speaker 3: through these ebbs and flows where it seems like it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be a tougher year for Philly. So you might

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Speaker 3: have a team step up and let's start in the

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Speaker 3: NFC South because I think the bucks are really interesting.

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Speaker 1: If we if.

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Speaker 3: We are high on Liam Cohnan what he's gonna bring

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Speaker 3: to the Jacksonville Jaguars, then we have to consider, you know,

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Speaker 3: what's gonna happen with this Bucks offense that just played.

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Speaker 1: Out of its mind last year.

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Speaker 3: And when I say out of its mind, I mean

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Speaker 3: going from twenty and a half points per game in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three to twenty nine and a half last year.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about no real drop off when you'll lose

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Speaker 3: Godwin and then Mike Evans. I'm talking about red zone dominance,

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Speaker 3: third down. I mean Baker Mayfield's setting career highs and passing, passing, touchdowns, rushing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just everything went so well for Tampa

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Speaker 3: the most important drive drives of the year of the playoffs. So, like,

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Speaker 3: have they peaked or are they still getting better? Because

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Speaker 3: his defense, I mean, it could fall it could it

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Speaker 3: if these these these secondary guys continue to come along

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Speaker 1: So where are you with Tampa Bay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the defense. I'll

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Speaker 2: be curious see if some of their young corners can

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville's offense to be a lot better with Cohen, So

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Speaker 2: I naturally be a hip for I. I didn't think

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Speaker 2: the Bucks would take a step back. When will Godwin

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Speaker 2: be healthy? Can Imuka? What can he give you? And

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Speaker 2: then you have the left tackle situation now with Tristan

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Speaker 2: Wurss arguably yeah, one of the best, it's not the

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Speaker 2: could be really detrimental. So yeah, a lot of questions

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if the Bucks take a step back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then comb schemes were a big reason that.

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Speaker 3: For example, uh McMillan got a ton of his touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there are some warning signs here. But I

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Speaker 1: So let's go to Atlanta and Michael Pennis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that this secondary isn't great. It's not

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Speaker 2: Falcons have been lacking forever, it seems like so one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest things that I'm watching is just Ken there. Ken,

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Speaker 2: It could be key to the season. And it's really sad,

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Speaker 2: like everyone said this was so dumb what they were

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Speaker 2: Pierce key to that defense in my opinion, and what

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Speaker 2: many questions on that end. Fenix can continue to progress

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this team has just had a lot

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Speaker 3: of because they've you know, they spent draft capital on offense.

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Speaker 1: To your point, they defense has to kind.

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Speaker 1: But they haven't been able to do it.

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Speaker 3: And so now they went the other direction and spent

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Speaker 1: Like Oldbrick is there, Jerry Gray is there?

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Speaker 3: I don't see. It's probably gonna be more of the same.

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Speaker 3: But at least they put themselves in a position with

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Speaker 2: Brought in like two more premo free agent acquisitions and

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Speaker 2: what that could have done to this roster.

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Speaker 3: And when our team would have a quarterback, like maybe

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Speaker 3: go through down Rogers, but we shall we shall never know, Carolina. Uh,

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Speaker 3: let's start defensively for them too, because Bryce Young yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's been up and down.

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Speaker 1: I thought the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: But we wipe Pedro Everell? Right?

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Speaker 2: They both have had like two three off suit dealt

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Speaker 2: the Falcons. Where can they get a consistent pass rush?

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Speaker 2: Like, this secondary is not going to be elite by

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're gonna need to rely on some of your rookies.

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Speaker 2: I I don't know how like can Scoreton, can Princely,

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Speaker 2: because this defense is just void of talent overall. It's

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Speaker 2: I'm high on Bryce Young, like continuing what I saw

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Speaker 2: But the offensive line should be pretty good and if

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Speaker 2: but I think this offense has some juice. But can

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Speaker 2: they get any stops. It's a really bad roster on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was say this about My question is

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Speaker 3: they did they acquire the right guys? Did they put

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Speaker 3: They're there, they have upside in the sense that they're

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Speaker 3: in a weak division, the other teams are vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: And you still have a quarterback on a rookie deal.

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Speaker 3: But it comes down to and like, the thing I

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Speaker 1: Garrick Brown should be back.

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Speaker 2: that's mainly all I'm watching here. Coaching should be better,

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Speaker 3: So what do you think the message is internally like,

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Speaker 3: Because it's a it's a very odd collection of of

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Speaker 3: I think you brought up something really interesting where we

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Speaker 3: And I think the Eagles one of the reasons that

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Speaker 3: like what is what's the planner of Saquon goes down?

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Speaker 1: Uh Jalen hurts.

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Speaker 3: You know they're for all the ass well as he

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Speaker 1: He won the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Remember the narrative mid season like there was question marks

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Speaker 3: that can't be understated with a lot of teams, not

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Speaker 3: that it's just not something that a lot of teams have.

441
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Speaker 3: So I think this year is probably Washington year. I

442
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 3: think it's probably or maybe even maybe even Dallas or something.

443
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Speaker 3: But I think the Eagles it's gonna be like the

444
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 3: two years ago where we're probably gonna or the markets

445
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Speaker 3: probably gonna overrade them.

446
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're a little over at I mean,

447
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 2: it's sill one of the best rosters in the NFL.

448
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: But and what you want to pay attention to with

449
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: these teams that are near the top, that have to

450
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: pay their premium positions is how they draft. Like you

451
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 2: look at the Eagles, who do they bring in in

452
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: the offseason free agence?

453
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Speaker 1: I mean.

454
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Speaker 2: Nobody, nobody have known, So it's about their drafts. You

455
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: want to see each draft class, you want to have

456
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: a couple of guys that are able to contribute and

457
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Speaker 2: that are developing because things are gonna be harder for

458
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Speaker 2: the Eagles this year. Some of the talent they've lost,

459
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: some defense, they're off to the coordinator. They go from

460
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Speaker 2: a bottom three schedule or a top three schedule basically

461
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: in their schedule, like they replaced the Jags with the Bills,

462
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: the Packers with the Bucks, they get the Rams again, Giants,

463
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: cowboy should be more confident and they replace the NFC

464
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Speaker 2: South with the NFC North. So uh, and they were

465
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Speaker 2: one of the healthiest team in the league last year.

466
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a big one. That's a big one because

467
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Speaker 3: as good as how he's been, I will say this,

468
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Speaker 3: the one area where I think he has curiously left

469
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Speaker 3: them whacking depth is the skill positions offensively, So you

470
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Speaker 3: are really relying on you know, Hurts A. J. Brown,

471
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Speaker 3: DeVante Smith, say Kwon Barkley and to extent got her

472
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Speaker 3: because he's been in and out and they've still.

473
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Speaker 1: Been able to weather the storm.

474
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Speaker 3: But I mean, we've seen what happens when guys go down.

475
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Speaker 3: It's like next thing, you know, it's the Paris Campbell's

476
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: of the world, and it just.

477
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Speaker 1: It can go. It can spiral for.

478
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Speaker 3: The Eagles because like you lose Elane Johnson, Yeah, yeah,

479
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: It's like you go from take getting yourself into these

480
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: great gamescripts and then going super run heavy and taking

481
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: advantage of it. But now this year, tough schedule, you

482
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: don't have that same margin for error. And I mean

483
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley the amount of work he got, and also

484
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: you got a factor in that you had Barkley going

485
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Speaker 3: crazy from long range. I think it was what eleven

486
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 3: touchdowns from outside the red zone last year including the postseason.

487
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Speaker 3: Those aren't replicated. You Also, your other play is the

488
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: touch push, and that's that's great, but you can't always

489
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 3: rely on like if the offense takes a step back,

490
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Speaker 3: like it could all spiral to where you're also not

491
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: getting in as many push push situations as many long touchdowns,

492
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 3: and your depth is gonna it is the weakest at

493
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Speaker 3: those spots. So if Philly runs into some trouble, there

494
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: is a low floor. But then again that gets a

495
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: massive upside next year. So Phil we will be fine.

496
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Speaker 3: But just just something I'm kind of watching for all right.

497
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the Dallas Cowboys. A lot to

498
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: watch here. I mean, it's a circus as always, George

499
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Speaker 2: Pickens joins the circus. It's a perfect fit down there.

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Speaker 1: All are in Miami unbelievable.

501
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: Like I also don't understand the hires, Like I don't

502
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: think anyone understood the head coaching iron Seat Himer, but

503
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: then they bring in Neverrafluss the new defensive coordinator. I

504
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: don't think his identity fits here with what the Cowboys

505
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: are good at and what they do, and he really

506
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: needs good linebackers. Don't really add that here.

507
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Speaker 1: Met with personality too. I don't know.

508
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: You gotta be able to Yeah, that's like stand up

509
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: to you know, like you got a lot of strong

510
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 3: personalities on that defense.

511
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: Does it strike like I totally agree with you?

512
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: Agree linebackers are like key to his scheme and their

513
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: linebackers are like Sanborn Kenneth Murray and over shown who

514
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: when is he going to be available? There's some injury

515
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: questions here like that are worth monitoring, like how healthy

516
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: is Dak what's he looked like? But overshown digs what's

517
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: going on with him? Revel the their their rookie that

518
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 2: they dreat WO actually really like, but he's coming off

519
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: an injury. When is he going to be healthy? There's

520
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: a lot of injury questions that are worth monitoring unique

521
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: Tyler Booker to be good at guard I think, but

522
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: this is it's a it's a circus. And then i'd

523
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: also another thing is that they hired their offensive coordinator

524
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Speaker 2: who they brought in Clayton Adams from Arizona, and like

525
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: he was like the run game guy, that was his specialty,

526
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Speaker 2: and like offensive line and run game. This this is

527
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: a team that is just gonna drop back and throw

528
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: it a million times. I don't know, but who they're

529
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: running it with because their running back room is definitely

530
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: worth watching. Because you brought in Javonte Williams, Miles Sanders,

531
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Speaker 2: So then I would think, hey, can we get one

532
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: of these rookies Phil Mafia, I know it's Mafia, Phil

533
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: Mafia or Blue. But then you had shot around and say,

534
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: like these guys are at a big disadvantage because they

535
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: don't have the experience, so like it makes it sound

536
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: like they're not going to get a shot. And then

537
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: you had someone come out today more circus things and

538
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: saying on some podcasts, I was reading that Blue is

539
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: lazy and the coaches don't like what they've seen and

540
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: he's not going to get a look. I don't know

541
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: what's going on with the running back room, so you're

542
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: gonna even have a running game. Is Dak even as

543
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 2: mobile as he once was, and their offensive best when

544
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: he's moving. I don't know, I'm saling on the Cowboys

545
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: the more and more the eat with each passing day.

546
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I am. I'm worried about them too.

547
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: I think this would be a uh like in theory,

548
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: it should be a great bilo spot for them because again, yeah,

549
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 3: Philly gonna be running into a much tougher sledding and

550
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: you know, Washington, it's gonna be hard for them to

551
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: like they had such a good year when I mean

552
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: the jury's out, but they they did improve the roster. Now,

553
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: think about the Cowboys that I think really is striking

554
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: is their internal evaluations and even coaching because jan Quinn.

555
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 2: You know, he goes who's running it?

556
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and you could I mean, Pickens doesn't give

557
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: you a ton of confidence that he's gonna they're gonna

558
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: be able to keep him in check because they feel

559
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: like they they're desperate for another receiver. They I mean

560
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: they were traded for Jonathan Mingo. Like Jonathan Mingo really

561
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: just because you see the first like this team doesn't

562
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: really evaluate talent well. And the running backs, I mean,

563
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: you mentioned it, like, but look at last year they

564
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: went into the season.

565
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: With Dowdell and Zeke Elly.

566
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Speaker 3: It took him damn near what half the season to

567
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: actually acknowledge that Zeke was washing a zero. And then

568
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: Dudo plays well and instead of re signing him, who

569
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: and he still signed it. You could have got him

570
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: for cheap, you let him walk and you replace him

571
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: with three of like two of the worst veteran running

572
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: backs in the league over these last few years. And

573
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: it also remember the Dalvin Cook thing last year. I mean,

574
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: just they give me no confidence that they have figured

575
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: anything out. And to your point, then they go sign higher.

576
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: They're trying to just cut corners a coach, and I

577
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: mean they Mike McCarthy might look a lot better with

578
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: Shotten high right and Clayton Adams and lazy running backs.

579
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: And uhlu which I don't think is a scheme hit.

580
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the swag levels are decreasing, seems like I mean,

581
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: Dak's also the thing about Dak is that it's kind

582
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: of sad. Is remember how like he's he's always had

583
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: a floor and from the time he came into the

584
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: league as a rookie so much promise and he's kind

585
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: of plateaued. But I just don't think he's learning much

586
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 3: year to year, like year over year, Like there's just

587
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: there's not necessarily much growth.

588
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: Like there's just a lot of volume in the passing game.

589
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: But like, would you say Dak really made weeps and

590
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: strides since his early on in his career or.

591
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: No, it's just threw more right like that. That's yeah, So.

592
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean it's uh, yeah, the Cowboys shouldn't theory be

593
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: able to take advantage, but I would, I would. I

594
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: would probably say Washington is set up the best just

595
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: based on the moves that they've made Jaydeen Daniels, uh

596
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: kind of uncanny ability to keep them ahead of schedule.

597
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: He maybe he gets better this year, maybe he gets worse.

598
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: But uh, I think they're I think that.

599
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: It's it's it looks pretty optimistic just because he throughout

600
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: the year he showed an ability to avoid sacks more

601
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: and more and that's always a killer for some of

602
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: these quarterbacks that like to to scramble and whatnot, and

603
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: that just allowed them to be so aggressive on fourth downs,

604
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, maybe maybe maybe they get a

605
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: good debo year. Maybe not, but if they do, you

606
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: know this team, it could be. It could be a

607
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: cake walk if if something, if something disastrous happens to

608
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: fillity for Washington.

609
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: So I know you hate Cliff, but I.

610
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: Think this could take a big step back too. I mean, look,

611
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen with McLaren. Number one, rumors are swirling.

612
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Now, that's not great. If he's gotta get you gotta

613
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: get hm.

614
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: A camp might get him, but I've heard he might

615
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: end up a Patriots in the last couple of hours.

616
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: Oh great.

617
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: So and then you're like debos, you're one.

618
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: He can't know, he can't he can't be calling.

619
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Speaker 2: I mean like your most reliable like your your most

620
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: reliable target. You're gonna rely on Zach another zach Ertz

621
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: Biggie huge year. They added Tunsal left tackle, but you

622
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: could have Daniels doesn't necessarily know. Now the league has

623
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: tape on what they want to do, Like there's it's

624
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: not gonna be as easy. And by the way, Washington

625
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: beat one playoff team last year in the regular season.

626
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: One it was the Eagles who were blowing their doors off,

627
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: and then Hurts got hurt, and then Kenny Pickett had

628
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: to come in, and then Washington came all the that

629
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: that's the only playoff team they be eating.

630
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: Credit though they did get better, I mean they still

631
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: I'm just saying now gets much more difficult.

632
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean their their offense faced the easiest

633
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: schedule of opposing defenses last year in the league, entirely

634
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: dead last. They also faced nine quarterbacks where either backups

635
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: or benched at some point during the year, and they

636
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: went eight to four and one score games with a

637
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: top five healthy roster while going twenty to twenty three

638
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: on fourth down. It's the best in the history of

639
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: the NFL. They added fifty five their EPA fifty five

640
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: points plus two point four EPA per fourth down. That's

641
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: number one in the history of the league by far,

642
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: the fourth out of ten. They averaged two and a

643
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: half points every time they went for it on a

644
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: fourth down. What twenty to twenty three, Let's just say

645
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: they go fifteen to twenty three this year, still really good?

646
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: Sixty five percent. Well, what are you're losing. You're losing

647
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: like two touchdowns maybe two wins. That costs you from

648
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: last year and now you've a much tougher schedule. I

649
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: mean the next highest EPA ever was forty four. I

650
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: think they were fifty five. And if you look at

651
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: the best fourth down percentage team's top ten since two

652
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: thousand and these are all like teams like Patriots with

653
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: Brady and there's Manning in there, and you go back,

654
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: there's Saints teams. There's been ten teams that are at

655
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: least seventy four percent over the course of a year

656
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 2: with at least ten attempts. The average dropped the next

657
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: year is twenty percent. So I don't think Washington has

658
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: figured and they don't sneak it. They were dead with

659
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: throwing for fourth downs. There could be some huge regression

660
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: there eighty seven percent last year. Crazy, So schedule gets tougher,

661
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: there could be some fourth down regression, could see some

662
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: health regress. And the d had and as easy as

663
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: the schedules you can ask for, and they were still bad.

664
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: They couldn't stop the run, they could they give up

665
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: way too many explosives. I mean, you had von Miller.

666
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: Is that moving the needle for me? Not really? Like

667
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: is Bobby Wagner. Is he gonna fall off a cliff soon?

668
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: And then your secondary. Lattimore, I think he's close to

669
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: Wash especially how his look at his age right at that, Cliff,

670
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: his injuries, the rest of your secondary doesn't really inspire

671
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: much confidence for me. So and I still don't love Cliff.

672
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: He did with some really good things last year, really

673
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: creative things in the screen game, and I got to

674
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: give him credit there. And Daniel's exceeded all my expectations.

675
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: But there's some signs pointing down here for Washington, really

676
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: worried about the defense, really worried about the McLaurin situation,

677
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 2: and then just some general regression. But any of the

678
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: thoughts on Washington.

679
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I think I think he I think you're in

680
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: the Cliff bias. Get you a little too down on

681
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: them because you do agree that the Eagles probably take

682
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: a step back. You do agree that the Cowboys aren't

683
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: probably going to be in position to take advantage of

684
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 3: any uh.

685
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Swippage as he don't do it.

686
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: Don't do it because last year is like you know,

687
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 3: you always want to get behind the GM and get

688
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: then then you remember that like it's the GMT, you

689
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

690
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: It's like it seems good in theory. But Washington let's okay,

691
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: we know, but let's look at Washington.

692
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: I got to push back on some of your points because,

693
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 3: like I think, yes, there's a flour scenario where all

694
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: those the guys you mentioned, you know, take a step

695
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: back or don't hit or fall for Cliff or whatnot.

696
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 3: But the counterpoint to that is that Washington's week weakest

697
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 3: win going to offense last year was probably like an

698
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: offensive line that you always.

699
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: Worried was gonna like regress back to the mean.

700
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: They were kind of playing a little bit above their

701
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: heads and you know, Jane Daniels was just so good

702
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: at bailing them out. Well adding Jeremie Tunsl isn't nothing right, Like,

703
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: it's still that's still better than it was last year.

704
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: You also, you know, you added some us.

705
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't an issue last year though I know I'm saying

706
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: it was.

707
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: An issue, but it was. It wasn't.

708
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: It was kind of like at any point you were

709
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: saying like, oh man, this alms not great, like it's

710
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: it was true, So wheremy Tunsl it's still a nice

711
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: ad like it's not like it's not like they gave

712
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: up anything massive for him. And then same thing where

713
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, Deebo Samuel could be could be washed,

714
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: could be just one of those years where it comes

715
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: down in his fitness and whatnot.

716
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe it's done.

717
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: But it's still a higher upside number two receiver than

718
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: they had last year. Right, And then same thing in

719
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: the secondary. The secondary was bad last year. Yes it

720
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: could still it could still it could, but no, but

721
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: you can't say it got worse with I mean, Lattimore

722
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: might be washed, but it's still you still have more

723
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: upside than I think you had last year.

724
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: It's I just think.

725
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: The floor is still probably like the roster had the

726
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: roster for not the teams they I mean, you know,

727
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: luck and regression and whatnot. And then it's like with

728
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: the four down thing, they just might not need to

729
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 3: be in four down situations. I mean, Jayden Daniels wasn't

730
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 3: just it wasn't like he was just getting like completely lucky,

731
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: Like he was playing them into these situations where it

732
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, we just need to get sample sized

733
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: on this guy because he's he's.

734
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: Either really good or really lucky. But remember he was

735
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: hurt at parts of the year. So now you got a.

736
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: Better left tackle, a better number two receiver.

737
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: I just think then your receiving room as signal forgive me,

738
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: like this is they don't want to fank.

739
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: I think.

740
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's smart to be honest, Noah, I.

741
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: Got to you got to take advantages. You're just talking

742
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: about the rookie.

743
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's the Cliff bias man.

744
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: I agree that like it's not.

745
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: It's not one of the luckiest of the luckiest teams

746
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Story like by I have like they weren't.

747
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: You got to remember they were sitting. You want to

748
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: talk about health, one of the healthiest teams in the league.

749
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: You want to talk about their schedule, one of the

750
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: easiest schedules in the league, the easiest for any offense.

751
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: You want to talk about one possession games, they went

752
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: eight and four. You want to talk about backup quarterbacks

753
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: face and then fourth downs. They were the luckiest team

754
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: in the NFL during fourth downs. They didn't solve fourth downs.

755
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: They don't They don't even sneak it. They were eighty

756
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: that it's not repeatable. And by the way, this team

757
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: was sitting even with a hail Mary win. They got

758
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 2: a hail Mary because Stevenson is celebrating with the talking

759
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: ship to the crowd, even with a Hail Mary Win.

760
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: They beat the Giants because the Giants don't have a kicker.

761
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: They were sitting at seven and five, even with some

762
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: lucky wins, and then they beat Here's that. They beat

763
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: the close the ear off, They beat the Titans, the

764
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: Saints by one, the Eagles after Hurts gets hurt, the

765
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: Falcons in overtime, another rookie quarterback, and then whoever the

766
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: Cowboys were sending out there by four Mariota and they

767
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: almost lost that game. Like this team was not. They

768
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: were very close from just finishing like seven and ten.

769
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you know how close they were. Now

770
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: the schedule gets harder, they might not be as healthy,

771
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: they might lose McLaren. They're probably not going to go

772
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: twenty at twenty three and fourth down again, and I

773
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: think they could take a big step back.

774
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: In the last six weeks of the season.

775
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: They beat the Eagles, they beat the Bucks, they beat

776
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: the Lions, and then it's like, I.

777
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: Feel like Eagles, it was Kenny Pickett playing that game.

778
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: They were down by twenty one.

779
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're still not easy, Like Wayne, I mean you

780
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 3: to you still had to get back in that game.

781
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: My point is there's most of the teams in the

782
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: NFC that were good are like more likely to take

783
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: a step back, like somebody's got to win games like not.

784
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: Everyone can't be bad in the NFC.

785
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna be bad. I just don't

786
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: think that they're a double digital win team. And obviously

787
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: they could like things could break their way again and

788
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: then Latimore could be healthy, mclauren gets re signed. You know,

789
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: the barn Just because you're a lucky one year doesn't

790
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: mean you're lucky to.

791
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Get That's my That's kind of what I think.

792
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: It's like, Yeah, I think I think that Jayden Daniels

793
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: did show enough to where if he doesn't, if they're

794
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: not lucky, we're not as concerned as we would be

795
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: like Sam Garnold or something like that.

796
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: You know.

797
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, just because one year doesn't mean you're

798
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: great the next year. Again, like we saw that with

799
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: Stroud and now teams know what's coming with this attack,

800
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: it's not going to be as easy and the schedule

801
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: gets a lot harder. But they're definitely in a good position.

802
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: Their whole organization is in a much more serious spot,

803
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: you know, and you're probably close to bottom ten in

804
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: the league with quarterback spend. With Daniels on a rookie contract,

805
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: there's a lot of newness on this road. They could

806
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: have got nine or ten new starters too, so we'll

807
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: we'll see. I just think the defense could be really

808
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: bad again, so McLaurin situations definitely were who wins that

809
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: right tackle spot to Connorley Coleman Wiley, that's something worth

810
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: watching his am, I was gonna start at cornerback that maybe,

811
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: and then a lot of more keeping an eye on

812
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: his health. I mean, twenty nine year old, I don't know.

813
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: I think he might be on the down.

814
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: Counting point though, counterpoint, they made all the way to

815
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: the NFC Championship game with that terrible defense and a

816
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback last year. I mean, it's hard to get

817
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 3: two down on them when when you have Dallas and

818
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: the Giants in this division, and then this is the

819
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: more likely than not to be the down year for Phildo.

820
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean they're gonna be bad, but again, it's

821
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,479
Speaker 3: just like I'm just trying to figure out who's gonna

822
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: win games.

823
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: It's like I think Washington I didn't think Washington got worse.

824
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't think they got worse.

825
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: No, I just don't. I just don't think that they

826
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: were that great of a team last year.

827
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Giants because I feel like, you men,

828
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: it must you must be bullish on them if you're

829
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: if you're all on all of these other teams.

830
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, I like the Giants defense this year. That's

831
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: just the worst part about the Giants. Their schedule, Man, Yes,

832
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: last year. How do they have this schedule? It's insane?

833
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: But uh, I think they're better defensively. I you know,

834
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: I love that Abdul Carter pick curious. I mean that

835
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: it's really gonna come down to their their secondary on

836
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the wall. But I think their

837
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: defense has potential to be really good. Excuse me, their

838
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: defense in general is potentially to be really good. Like

839
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: I love this acquisition of Holland. I was I've always

840
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: been since they first drafted him. A huge Nuban guy.

841
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: He showed flashes. I've loved him since college.

842
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: A debo.

843
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: Can he get back to form a corner that's like

844
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: one of the biggest things for them. And then just

845
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: the cornerback spot has been a very It's been a

846
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: huge source spot for years. But I think the defense

847
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: has a lot of potential. The offensive side of the ball,

848
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: it's I think it's me better than with Daniel Jones.

849
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: With Russ, I presume will start. Can the offensive line

850
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: do anything like? That's the question? Maybe you know, you

851
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 2: get Andrew Thomas healthy, that's gonna help. The offensive line

852
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: wasn't a complete disaster when he was in. It's one

853
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 2: of the better tackles in the FL. Is he canna

854
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: be healthy? Can he play up to his potential? How

855
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: does the offensive line come together? Can it be any better?

856
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: I don't think Russ is a terrible fit for this

857
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 2: offensive scheme. And look, this is a team that they were.

858
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: They were in games that yearly as bad as everything was,

859
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: they were one in eight one possession games. But uh

860
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: quarterback will be interesting to watch offensive line. I think

861
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: the defense has a lot of potential. The offensive line,

862
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: like because Evan Neil I always said he I said

863
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: this for our first time we did the podcast. Evan

864
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: though should be a guard? Well, can he like give

865
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: them anything? A guard? I don't know, but the offensive

866
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: line could and the schedule could ultimately hold him back,

867
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: But I like this defense. I think they improved quarterback

868
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: just because the situation was so disastrous. The offense line

869
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: should be better if they're healthy. Just having Thomas back there,

870
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 2: I would like for them to go get like another veteran.

871
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: I just would have liked them to add someone to

872
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: the ride receiver room, someone else. But I don't mind

873
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: this team. The schedule, though, in the offensive line might

874
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: end up being their downfall. And then it's like if

875
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: they fall behind with how safe is stable? When did

876
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: they go to dart? How soon is he ready? That's

877
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: some things that I think about. What are your thoughts

878
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: on the G man?

879
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: I do agree that they like in terms of value,

880
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: I think they are in.

881
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Top two in this division. I think it's Demon Washington.

882
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: Coming around on my GM man.

883
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

884
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: They there's a very specific set of circumstances in which

885
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: this thing has to work out, and from what I'm hearing,

886
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily sound like they.

887
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: Are going to come to fruition. Now.

888
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: What I think needs to happen for the Giants to

889
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: hit their ceiling is they have to stop kidding themselves

890
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 3: and comparing.

891
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: Twenty I mean that would I don't.

892
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I would take that bet. But here's the thing.

893
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: Here's my problem with the Giants. Here, here's my biggest

894
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: problem with the Giants.

895
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 3: And you mentioned it, and I think and you kind

896
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 3: of casually mentioned it. I think the biggest the worst

897
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: thing the Giants can do this year to cap their ceiling.

898
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Is go forward with Russell Wilson.

899
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 3: As a starter and kind of say we're gonna wait

900
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 3: on Dark because.

901
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: We know what Russell Wilson is.

902
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: We know that he's not taking through the promise just

903
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 3: because he's better than your last like eight quarterbacks. And

904
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: that's not saying much at all. You cannot just kind

905
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: of get comfortable and say, well, you know what we

906
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: just want to return to, like, you know, bottom ten

907
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: instead of bottom five.

908
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: That quarterback play. But Russell Wilson is not it.

909
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: And this day and age, as you mentioned, any time

910
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: you can take advantage of a quarterback on a rookie deal,

911
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: you have to do it. So why not just get

912
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: dark the reps early in the season, when Andrew Thomas

913
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: is most likely to be healthy, when Neighbors is the

914
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: most likely to be healthy, Because if you wait, your

915
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: schedule doesn't get any easier. All that happens is guys

916
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: could get more and more injured. It could turn into

917
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: more of a shit show, and Dart is not gonna

918
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: be able to fully take advantage of the of the time.

919
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: So I think that, to me, that's my biggest worry

920
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: because I feel like Russell Wilson just gets these chances

921
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: time after time. I feel like he's a really good

922
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: team behind him. That kind of gets me these assurances,

923
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: and these coaches always tend to like commit to him.

924
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: But I mean, we saw Tomlin some like all of

925
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 3: a sudden, Wilson came down with a mysterious injury and

926
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: he didn't start the year. If that happens with Dart,

927
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: I think Dark just starts to you. I don't think

928
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: where you're not mentioning him. So I think the way

929
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 3: to approach the Giants is, yeah, take your long shots

930
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: now and keep watching, because I think that it's a

931
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: good bet to bet on Dark, to start with one

932
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: Dark to the team in passing yards, and this team ceiling,

933
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: I think gets exponentially higher if you don't.

934
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: Have Russell Wilson. I mean, what is Russell? What do you?

935
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 3: What do you Russell Wilson is gonna make you take

936
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: like more deep shots to Jay and high and oh

937
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: look to do like it's gonna reinforce all these bad habits.

938
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have running lanes.

939
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 3: Because you have a Tracy a lot better with Daniel Jones.

940
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: Maybe that wasn't a coincidence. Maybe it was the rushing

941
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: lanes he created. I think Dark can give you more

942
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: of that than Wilson at this stage. So yeah, I

943
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: think Wilson would be just that. That's where I'm out.

944
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: That's where I'm out. And I don't know if Joe,

945
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're like what's going on with

946
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: Shane and and Gable, But if Gable has its way,

947
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 3: I think he would realize that too, and it would

948
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 3: be Dark.

949
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping. I'm hoping that's how unfolded that I'll be.

950
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: He would want some up more upsides, and maybe the

951
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: Giants to win the division, like they're not gonna win

952
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl with Dark, so maybe to win the decision.

953
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: But I think that the Eagles in Washington, I don't

954
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: think that they're bad. I think Eagles is one of

955
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: the best ross at all. I think the Eagles are

956
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: more like a ten or eleven, like I think the

957
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: Eagles with ten or eleven games, but there's downside risk,

958
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: like if the injuries, the health, it really hits them

959
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 2: this year, the one the one possession games of Washington,

960
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: the Washington health, like they were really healthy last year.

961
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: I think Washington's like a nine eight, nine win team.

962
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: But there's some downside with the fourth downs, with the health, McLaurin,

963
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: whatever goes on. Like, so I think that these teams

964
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: are good. I don't think that they're bad. And then

965
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: the Cowboys could just be a flaming disaster as well.

966
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: And maybe the Giants at the team that takes advantage

967
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: and like they get the one possession luck and then

968
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: Dart comes in, He's a flash in the pan and

969
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: they win and nine games. Things go sideway, a little

970
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 2: sideways for the Eagles in Washington. Daniels gets hurt, Hurts

971
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: gets hurt first long stretches, and then the Giants luck

972
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 2: into a division.

973
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah they did what eleven was a ten eleven games

974
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, Daniel Jones. So I'm not

975
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: mad at you, four, but you just gotta make sure

976
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: I would watch this very closely. They're the fatal flaw

977
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: I think would be if they're too committed to Russell Wilson.

978
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: I think that's a bad sign that there's politics at play,

979
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: because there's no way that this that this guy warrants

980
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: potentially risking a great defense, wasting a great defense, you know,

981
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: just valuable reps to start Russell Wilson. But that's gonna

982
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,760
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