WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ Senior Bowl 2017 - Day 2 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.960 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas Cowboys 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:20.239 Select Elliot and now your host Dane Brugler, David Hellman 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:26.079 and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two of the 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.880 Senior Bowl from Mobile, Alabama. You've got the Draft Show. 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:34.080 Brian brought us, Dane Burglar, CBS Sports, David Hellman, Dallas 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:39.519 Cowboys dot Com and Kent Garrison, Executive Producer. Welcome back. Guys. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.200 Got some full padded practices today, which is kind of neat, 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.479 but we'll get into that. I want to kind of 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.120 set the scene no a little bit before we get 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.840 going here. Appreciate everybody that joined us last night, caught 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.920 us either on all the different platforms, whether that was 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.240 on the app, on Dallas Cowboys dot Com on Periscope. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.600 We do appreciate Twitter all that we got all that 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.400 kind of taken care of. So it was really really 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.959 cool to have everybody involved. We're gonna the same kind 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:11.440 of format we did last night. I'm going to talk 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.080 about the practice. Also want to get into your questions. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.880 It's always important. We can't take calls, but we can 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.520 do Twitter. On the twenty Dave and I sent out 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:25.080 the notice to trying to get your questions in. Make 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.839 sure you send them to at the draft show, and 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.559 that way Dave can get him and he can include 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.000 your name on that and everything, and then we can 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.000 answer your questions if not only have to be about 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.160 the senior ball, but any kind of draft questions you 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.840 might have. We've got the guys here to handle all that. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:46.440 So with that being said, got the two practices in today? 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.840 Anything stand out? I know that's a broad question, and 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.480 I usually don't want to ask a bunch of broad questions, 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.240 but you and I got into discussion about the pace 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:01.200 of practice from the from the shoo Chiago staff and 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.880 the Cleveland staff, and it was funny because I kind 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.960 of felt like that I got something from the Cleveland staff, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.960 but you were on the other side of it, though 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.839 you felt like the Chicago staff had a little bit 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.600 more pace to their practice. I don't think there's any 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.880 question the I don't know. To me, it was obvious 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:24.840 the difference between the two practices. And it's the true 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.320 nature of an All Star game like this. It's it's 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.400 for the players and it's for the scouts, right, it's 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.080 for evaluation purposes. Where the Browns practice was a lot 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:38.280 more implementation installation trying to win a football game exactly, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.400 it will and I guess didn't work during the season. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.200 Let's try and win the Senior Bowl. A big part 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.520 of it's also teaching, and so you know, it's it's 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.640 a great opportunity for the Browns because for their coaching staff, 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.720 they can teach these guys, you know, with the walkthroughs 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:59.320 and the different installations, and they can understand from from 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.040 the coach who understands the coaching and then who progresses 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.040 throughout the week. But for the scouts and everyone watching, 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.400 all of us, we don't necessarily get as much out 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.680 of that as the Browns coaches do. So from just 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.240 outside perspective, I much prefer the North practice with the Bears, 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.200 which is a lot more live action, a lot more 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.880 one on one. Yeah, it's it's a lot more speed 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.000 and game action, where with the Browns a lot more 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.959 half paced and walkthroughs. Yeah. Brown's practice just was weird 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.720 to me, and it didn't stand out to me as 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.960 much as it's funny. I didn't think that. I felt 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.760 like it was a little bit more of a physical 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.360 practice and maybe once they got going, it was hey, 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.680 you know, the Browns are like a focal point of 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.840 the NFL right now for how they're trying to switch 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.200 it up with the analytics and stuff. Maybe maybe that's 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.640 part of it, maybe they're trying something different. But I've 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.000 watched a lot of practices in my time, and that 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.280 was unique, Like just the stuff they were doing, the 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.160 pace they were moving at. They had guys with like 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.000 cameras down in the huddle, and you know, maybe if 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.120 it's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday in the NFL during the regular season, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.440 but I was very surprised to see that at an 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.200 all start. Now, Okay, well then I will I will 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.240 take it as two to one. They did not like 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:11.520 my view of practice. Like maybe the Browns are geniuses. Yeah, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.880 maybe they will. It's almost one game. I don't want 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.160 to use the word selfish. Yeah, but you know they're 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.760 they don't really care about showcasing these guys for the 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.480 rest of the league. Okay, you know, they want to 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.360 do it their way. I'll give you a platform on 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.200 the Browns. That's fine, Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.800 you the platform. Go ahead, and and you're you're going 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.560 the right direction. You as a scout, you don't appreciate 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.960 how the Browns are well practice, it's the same thing 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.080 as uh, there's the Saints have been in the news 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.080 this last few days. Yeah that now that's selfish on 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.080 their part. But hey, it's it's trying to win football, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.039 trying to make friends. That's that's that's garbage. What the 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.560 Saints are to me taking people off campus that you 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.240 can't do. That is surprising to me to hear you 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.080 because I'm a cheating guy. Yeah, because you're a shady 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.320 guy in favor of getting an edge no matter how. No, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.560 I'm all for the I'm all for the getting the edge, 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.400 but in this setting right here, I think this is 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.880 and trust me, you're talking to a guy that was 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.360 from the you know, fist fighting with guys at the combine. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.320 I've heard some of your tricks about how you used 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.920 to get guys alone at the combine. So yeah, but 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.599 but but I understand that that you're gonna you're gonna 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.000 use that against me tomorrow because I was talking about it. 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:16.680 If I was a guy, I would want to look 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.080 like that. Utahs are the Connecticut safety you remember that. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.279 But no, but I'm against that, and when well, this 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.039 made me for another day but I I don't like 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:30.320 the fact that them removing players from the group just 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.040 to interview. I don't like that setup. To me, it's 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.919 not too don't hamper me doing my job. But to me, okay, 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.960 that's not much different than what I think the Browns 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.440 are doing with the practice. Okay, well, I'll let you 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.520 argue that. You know it's something that but there's it's 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.680 it's there's no set of rules I say the Browns 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.520 have to do it this way. It's just kind of 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.440 understood that's how it's been done in the past. And 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.680 so this is my seventh Senior Bowl. I'm have never 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.200 seen a practice run like the way the Browns do it. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.600 That doesn't mean it's wrong, doesn't mean that, you know, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.599 the Browns should be receiving all this criticism, just different. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.560 And you think you think Scouts feel the same way 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.520 you do right now watching it and the and the 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:05.880 fans that there. You know, if you want to, if 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.839 you want to tweet us, if you were watching practice 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.280 today on TV on the NFL network and you kind 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.680 of felt like maybe you weren't. I mean, being live 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.520 is different than watching on TV, of course, but it 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.000 wasn't like the Browns practice was one hundred percent. The 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.640 whole two hours was nothing but walk throughs, and you 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.440 know it was the first hour was mostly that and 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.200 then they did some one on ones that in the 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.680 trenches and you know, they did some some pit stuff. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.599 But for the majority and then the final half hour 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.360 I thought was more. I mean, it did some seven 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.640 on seven stuff, but even that was it wasn't didn't 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.719 feel full speed. You know, it was fairly just basic stuff. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.159 And like I said, more installation for the game. To 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.360 win a game. They're gonna come out here on Saturday 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.760 and have a playbook and like roll over the North 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.159 just it's gonna be gambling, it gonna be all right, 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.920 let's little shift gears here, Dave, you had a better 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.440 chance of getting some practice stuff in today. Yeah, I 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.880 got the one around watching the owner and a general 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:03.520 manager and all that. But some guys, anybody in particular, 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.279 you know, at certain positions, we all focus in on 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.080 defensive end and cornerbacks and all this stuff. I'm gonna 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.520 anybody else kind of stuck jump out at you. I'm 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.760 gonna sound like the football simpleton, because like what stands 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.720 out when you watch these types of practices, Well, like 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.240 the receivers of guy's the ability to make play the 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.760 skill players. Yeah, and I think I thought several running 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:29.200 backs had a decent day today too. Um okay, like 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.280 pet Kat for the Senior Bowl. For me, is this 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.280 Cooper Cup kid. Okay, it's awesome. I've watching him play. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.360 He like runs routes, he knows where to be in 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.680 the defense. I don't I haven't seen him make a 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.640 bad play. I haven't seen him lose to anybody yet. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.760 And in the same vein, Uh, your guy Ryan Switzer 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.360 out of North Carolina's almost as good, but I think 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.880 cups Cup was better from what I saw today. Switzer's 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.880 really good too. Who's the Wisconsin running back Clement I 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.400 thought he was really good today. He got his butt 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.480 kicked in past pertection has Reddick. Yeah, he got his 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.520 butt kicked, but he came back and I don't know 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.600 who it was against, but he came back and bowed 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.880 up on the next guys. I just all around. I 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.000 thought he was really good. And then I'm just gonna 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.600 take a stab in the dark because y'all are the experts, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:15.920 and I'm ready for you to tell me that this 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.520 guy is actually terrible. But I was very intrigued by 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.120 Kareem Hunt, number one senior running back. Right there, dude 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.920 is an He was kicking butt today. He was running 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.480 over and around people. And again it's not real football, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.720 but he was getting to the end zone on every rep. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.640 I just I was. And he's big. He's like two 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.160 hundred and thirty. He's six foot two hundred and twenty five. Yeah, 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.680 big dude. And I just I thought he looked great 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.080 out there. Yeah. He To me, he's entering the week 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.840 he was a top senior running back and leaving the 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.840 week he'll be my top senior running back. Great career. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.400 I think he finished his career third and MAC history 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.640 and rushing yards um, And I think you kind of 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.600 nailed it with He is a bigger guy, but he's 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.319 also quick, he's shifty, he can make guys miss. Very 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.319 good receiver all around. I mean I gave him a 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.760 three fourth grade and a player that could fight for 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.000 top one hundred Statu's probably more of a fourth round guy, 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.199 especially with all these junior running backs coming out. Right, 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.200 But to me, the top three running backs are on 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.520 that North team. North Team, Yes, Cream Hunt, right, Jamal Williams. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.480 Then is he Yeah, he's yeah, okay, So yeah, those 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.839 are the top three guys for me. And I think 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.480 you nailed it with Hunt and sorry, oh no, but 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.280 you know, and if you're a Cowboys fan and my 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.480 my job is to fight in the Cowboys, Yeah, actually 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.200 I was gonna I was gonna go there. You're sitting 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:40.000 there going, who cares? We have the all pro rookie now, 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.160 But yeah, I am very Look at your roster. You 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:47.040 got Alfred couldn't make the active roster, Morris right active 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.560 for the last month. You got Darren free agent McFadden 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.360 and right Lands free agent Dunbar and poor Darius Jackson's 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.240 languishing in Cleveland because of some short sighted rosters. Okay, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.360 let me ask you this though, of the guys in Dane, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.760 you're probably better because you've seen them all. I like 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.840 what you're saying. But people talk about could the Cowboys 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.400 use a running back? Okay, first off, or do we 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.960 have that complete running back? We talked about this a 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.120 lot with Zeke. You know, guy that never comes off 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.120 the field, guy that plays three downs. Guys is gonna 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.120 step up and hit somebody on the blitz pick up 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.560 or any of these guys who were talking about really 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.280 three down players. I think Kareem Hunt could be that 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.360 guy and someone that might be available on day three, 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.720 a player who, yeah, can hold him in pass, broke 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.000 and run routes out of the backfield, and a very 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.400 good rusher. So I think Kareem Hunt does fit all 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.360 that criteria better than a Darius Jackson, more a lot 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.120 more proven. I don't think that he might not test 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.079 as well as Jackson did, so he's not going to 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.640 run the four four exactly. But at the same time, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.280 I'll take all the tape that Hunt has, you know, 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.839 because he's proven. I know what he brings to my roster. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.000 And if I can get him and say the four 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.840 fourth round, that's not bad value there. No, I And 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.920 you got Jackson last year in the sixth, right, So 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.800 I mean I'm I'm and fourth on I mean, you 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.360 can't predict this stuff right now. Fourth sounds too rich 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.560 for me for a running back when you have Ezekiel Elliott. Sure, right, 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.240 but I'm I'm very interested in finding a young guy 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.800 who can be behind him on the depth chart. And 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.320 you know, fifth round priority free agent. We kind of 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.719 thought that was gonna be Darius Jackson. They carried him 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.600 for twelve weeks should be Darius Jackson. Yeah. Something to 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.920 watch for with this draft class is the amount of 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.240 running backs in this class. We had so many juniors 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.240 come out that some of these guys can be pushed down. 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.200 So Kareem Hunt, who have a three fourth grade on 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.839 who knows, maybe he's there in the fifth and one 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.839 of these other guys that you know have grades in 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.440 the third round, fourth round, fifth round might be available 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.760 a round or two later just because the influx of 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.760 running backs. Not everyone's gonna draft a running back, and 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.719 so these guys we pushed down the board a little bit. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.800 Is there any running back that you liked better than 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.920 Elliott in this current draft I'm talking about, so the 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.000 Elliot would have been your time. Now. I have stuck 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.920 true to this since the start, since the summer. There's 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.200 so much hype about this draft class. Dalvin Cook, Leonard 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.160 Fournette great players, all right, no doubt, there's so much 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:12.960 to like about him. But if Zeke was in this 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.240 draft class, he would be the top running back in 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:20.720 terms of migrating system. Would some teams disagree? Probably? Some 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.559 teams might prefer a Cook or a Fournette for me, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.680 give me Elliott, the guys they're gonna be on the 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.400 field that I know can be on the field all 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.680 three downs and make an impact. But Dan, I just 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.120 heard you say something interesting that that some running backs 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.640 might get pushed down, right, because but is that the 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.960 Dane Bruglar evaluation of of well, you don't need a 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.920 running back where teams might have seen what's going out 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.520 on now with Ezekiel Elliott and said, whoa, whoa, wait 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.200 a minute. Now, if teams are gonna play light fronts 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.280 and be up the field players and we're gonna hammer 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.160 you with a two hundred and twenty five pound back, 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.040 could we see a resurgence of the running back where 0:12:56.080 --> 0:13:00.079 people value them more. Yeah, I think that is. You know, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.120 it's a copycat league and everyone's gonna want to look 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.880 forward to match kind of with the pitch team's running 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.360 the football. But I think more so just the underclassman 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.000 that came out the juniors, right, the influx of all 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.120 those talented guys, A lot of those guys are gonna 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:14.720 go in the in the top one hundred guys like 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.680 you know some J. P. Ryan and Deonta Foreman McCaffrey 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.640 and mixing problem will Curtis Samuel. I mean you can 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.480 go on and on. I like mixing, by the way, 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.760 and I understand just talking on field him on the 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.440 field stuff right there. He's my second best back. These 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.320 guys are gonna be pushed down the board, and so 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.120 you might be able to get good value fourth fifth 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:40.880 round where kind of well, no, when waving you way off, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.520 I'm just getting go ahead kind of what Hellman was 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.240 saying about the fact that fourth round does sound a 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.400 little rich for a running back for this team. But 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.840 when these guys get pushed down a little bit, fourth 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.000 fifth round value might be too good to pass up. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.880 Don't window dress your board. No, you're not gonna win 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.160 to dress the board, all right. Let me ask you 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.080 this though, for this team, though, would you take a 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.640 safety in the fourth round or would you take a 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.760 running back? All things being equal, Yeah, I'd rather have 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.760 the safety. I think you have to. I mean, ideally, 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.680 Ezekiel Elliot's not coming off the field for me, I know. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.440 I mean he came off the field way too much 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:18.200 as a rookie. Agree. I hopefully as he get grows 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.040 in matures that happens less and less often. So I mean, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.560 unless unless something wonky happens. I assume the safety is 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.320 the better bet for this team. Yeah, you can find 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.040 running backs. I mean it's always you can, which is 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.120 ironic because we were pounding the table to yeah, you 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.920 just were a guy like Darius Jackson was you know, 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.080 he was out there for the teams to pick him up. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.920 I mean, this team almost got Thomas listening to you 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:42.920 guys talk about all these runners and then you just 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.680 you know, well, it just depends on the Literally, Zeke 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.520 and the Cowboys was like a lightning strike. It was 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.720 the perfect blend of a team that shouldn't have been 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.440 picking that high, that had an amazing offensive line, and 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.120 great we do this. Then for the teams like for 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.240 the teams that do need a running back, the teams 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.400 that we saw that we're running back poor this year, 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.200 the Giants looked like a team that it was running 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.000 back poor, teams like Green Bay that was using wide receivers. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.120 And again this is for the folks out there they're fans. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.240 I think I think you're gonna see and I always 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.000 defer to Day on stuff like this. I think you're 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.960 gonna see a solid amount of running backs taken in 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.160 the first round of this year's draft, like maybe even 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.800 as many as four, which sounds like a boatload. But 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.080 I'll be surprised if it's coming as high as the 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.160 Cowboys pick last year. Like I know a lot of 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.840 people love to mock Fournette to Carolina at like eight. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.720 Even that seems kind of rich to me. Somebody move 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.760 up and get it back and less if you don't 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.280 have the resources aka the line or a quarterback who 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.840 scares defenses, I don't know that it's worth going that high. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.960 I think we'll see Fournette and Delvin Cook go somewhere 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.120 in the top twenty, both of them land. You know, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:53.360 Indianapolis is a possible fit. I think Baltimore, Caroline, I 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.040 think Carolina. Yeah, definitely haven't go in that direction. Let's 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.840 say it's not possible. I'm saying, yeah, I don't think. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.720 I don't think Zeke being so good makes anybody rethink 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.560 the idea that running backs is not a great return 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.480 on investment. That's all I'm saying. But I do think 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.440 these running backs are so good that I think you'll 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.440 see more than usually. Who would be the four that 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.360 you think could go first? Besides it too, there's the 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.240 two and then Mccaffreycaffrey is an option towards the back 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:24.160 end and then between a throw. And I'm spitballing here, 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:29.840 but I mean Mixon's out there for somebody foreman. Maybe Yeah, 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.400 it's way too rich for my blood. But I know 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.600 I first, if Mixon didn't have the it didn't have 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.120 the off the field stuff, would he be a first 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.080 down first round, would be a top fifteen player. Yeah, well, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.200 but you can't ignore it. But if he should have 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.160 gone top fifteen, maybe somebody's willing how many years removed? 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.960 All we own this by the way, so it'll be 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.000 three and three three years, So it'll it's gonna be 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.400 a fascinating test case with Joe Mixon because so this 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.640 is something this isn't like, you know, with all of 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.480 a sudden we see video with offensive town with the 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.760 gas mask on the day of the draft, it still 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.400 goes fourteen. Yeah, it's but I know that marijuana is different. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.680 It's three years removed. It's coming on three years removed, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.920 and that's I mean, he'll get drafted higher than I 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.359 think he should. Very likely he'll get drafted I think 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.400 somewhere in the top one hundred. I think third round 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.280 is my guests where I think he'll be drafted, but 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.479 people will have him off the board, you think too, Absolutely, yeah, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.680 I mean I probably. I mean were they scared, Well, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.120 they just don't want the headache of dealing with a player. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.240 I don't think PR nightmare. I don't think scared it 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.720 Michael Vick a worset PR nightmare, Michael, that happened a 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.760 decade after you got draft. The bottom line in the end, 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.719 I'm just saying that the Eagles took him. On bottom 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:44.520 line for the NFL. If you're general manager, you got 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.600 to win games. Okay. That's so you're line one, right, 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.440 and so you're not really measure It's not your job 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.399 to be the moral police here, right, but you have 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.119 to measure whether or not he's a fit for the 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.879 culture of your locker room, and then if whether or 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.600 not you're willing to I know this sounds, you know, 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.400 not exactly PC, but you know you have to understand 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:05.720 if you're if you want to deal with that PC 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.760 with a PR nightmare, because as soon as your team 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.400 drafts him, there's going to be the video is gonna 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.600 be all over the place, and so you have to 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:15.879 deal with that. And so you have to have a 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.679 strong general manager, a strong ownership this and everybody already 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.879 seen the video. Sure, but it's going to be played 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.679 and replayed and replayed over and over again. Perception is 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.439 reality and time, and it's in the league the way 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.800 it is right now. I don't think that goes away, period, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.800 especially in the court of public opinion, which is what 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.080 matters to a lot. It should I'm not saying it shouldn't, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.760 but that matters even more so than the you know, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.800 than the situation. What Tyreek Hill did was worse. Yeah, 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.719 and what he knows when what he did happened a 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.560 lot it was a lot more relevant, you know, in 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.679 terms of chronologically when it happened, so, you know, but 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.600 he still was drafted in the fifth round and right now, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.920 no one's really talking about that when he's scoring touchdowns 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.800 and he's a candidate for Rookie of the Year. There 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.600 are some strong general managers in this league, and there's 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.120 some strong coaches that will take a shot at that kid. Well, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.600 the thing that's working for Mixon is this is how 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.760 about Seattle. Well, look, the thing that's working for him 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.120 is this isn't like a known you know, a guy 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.200 that has a lot of stuff on his rap sheet. 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.800 You know, this is kind of an isolated inter's seen 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.399 it with our own eyes. The Oklahoma coaching staff speaks 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.080 very highly of who he is as a person. I 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.640 think he'll interview well and you know, so he has 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.760 that working for him. But still it's a hot button issue. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.000 I think, I don't know, how do we get on 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.119