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Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Select Elliot and now your host Dane Brugler, David Hellman

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Speaker 1: and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two of the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl from Mobile, Alabama. You've got the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: Brian brought us, Dane Burglar, CBS Sports, David Hellman, Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com and Kent Garrison, Executive Producer. Welcome back. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Got some full padded practices today, which is kind of neat,

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Speaker 1: but we'll get into that. I want to kind of

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Speaker 1: set the scene no a little bit before we get

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Speaker 1: going here. Appreciate everybody that joined us last night, caught

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Speaker 1: us either on all the different platforms, whether that was

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Speaker 1: on the app, on Dallas Cowboys dot Com on Periscope.

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Speaker 1: We do appreciate Twitter all that we got all that

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Speaker 1: cool to have everybody involved. We're gonna the same kind

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Speaker 1: about the practice. Also want to get into your questions.

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Speaker 1: It's always important. We can't take calls, but we can

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Speaker 1: do Twitter. On the twenty Dave and I sent out

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Speaker 1: the notice to trying to get your questions in. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you send them to at the draft show, and

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Speaker 1: that way Dave can get him and he can include

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Speaker 1: your name on that and everything, and then we can

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Speaker 1: answer your questions if not only have to be about

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Speaker 1: the senior ball, but any kind of draft questions you

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Speaker 1: might have. We've got the guys here to handle all that.

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Speaker 1: So with that being said, got the two practices in today?

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Speaker 1: Anything stand out? I know that's a broad question, and

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Speaker 1: I usually don't want to ask a bunch of broad questions,

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Speaker 1: but you and I got into discussion about the pace

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Speaker 1: but you were on the other side of it, though

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Speaker 1: more pace to their practice. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: for the players and it's for the scouts, right, it's

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Speaker 1: for evaluation purposes. Where the Browns practice was a lot

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Speaker 1: more implementation installation trying to win a football game exactly,

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Speaker 1: Let's try and win the Senior Bowl. A big part

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Speaker 1: of it's also teaching, and so you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a great opportunity for the Browns because for their coaching staff,

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Speaker 1: they can teach these guys, you know, with the walkthroughs

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Speaker 1: all of us, we don't necessarily get as much out

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Speaker 1: outside perspective, I much prefer the North practice with the Bears,

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Speaker 1: which is a lot more live action, a lot more

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Speaker 1: one on one. Yeah, it's it's a lot more speed

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Speaker 1: part of it, maybe they're trying something different. But I've

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Speaker 1: let's little shift gears here, Dave, you had a better

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Speaker 1: But to me, the top three running backs are on

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Speaker 1: that North team. North Team, Yes, Cream Hunt, right, Jamal Williams.

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Speaker 1: my job is to fight in the Cowboys, Yeah, actually

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Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna go there. You're sitting

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I am very Look at your roster. You

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Speaker 1: languishing in Cleveland because of some short sighted rosters. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. But people talk about could the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: like the Frank Clark conversation we had two years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he got drafted, and he got drafted higher than

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Speaker 1: I think he should have gotten drafted based on what

428
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Speaker 1: he did. But he's a good pass rusher, he's doing

429
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Speaker 1: good stuff in Seattle, so and most of the time

430
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Speaker 1: these guys wind up living up to it on the field. Unfortunately,

431
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 1: in my opinion's gonna have a chip on his shoulder.

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Speaker 1: That is why Joe Mixon will get drafted, and like

433
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Speaker 1: he'll get drafted higher than I think you should be.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, it's hard to predict. It's hard to

435
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Speaker 1: predict because just like all I mean, the biggest cliche

436
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Speaker 1: and draft talk All it takes is one. All it

437
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Speaker 1: takes is general management. Let me the ending with this.

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Speaker 1: If I was on the if I was if if

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Speaker 1: you were on a club and they made the selection,

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Speaker 1: would you you would fight against it? I would be

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Speaker 1: against it. Would you fight against it? I mean when

442
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: not drafting at all, I wouldn't want him. I would

443
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Speaker 1: draft him. Yes, at a certain point, yes, I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't think that an incident for a player who

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Speaker 1: the incident happened when he just turned eighteen years old, right,

446
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Speaker 1: And I don't think an incident like that should keep

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Speaker 1: him from having a career at what he's good at, right,

448
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't think that should stop him. Now.

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Speaker 1: If people want to be mad at the judicial system

450
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Speaker 1: and the lack of penalties that came down, then that's fine,

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Speaker 1: but that's you know, I don't I don't know. At

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Speaker 1: certain point, yes, I would draft him, Okay, I just

453
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Speaker 1: want to make sure. Okay, talk about me. Talk about

454
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Speaker 1: some of the guys that you you saw today and

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Speaker 1: you and you did a thing for on Twitter following

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Speaker 1: you at DP Burglar. You always list your top five

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Speaker 1: that had practice, so you can go ahead. You got

458
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: ten guys you really like today, We'll start with the North.

459
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: I saw Reddick at the Temple. Linebacker really stood out,

460
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Speaker 1: and this is a guy I liked a lot throughout

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Speaker 1: the season. He came out at number thirty eight on

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Speaker 1: my initial top fifty board. He's so athletic and it's

463
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Speaker 1: a former walk on. They didn't know where to play him.

464
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: I try him a corner. They played him all over.

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00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: He was kind of an edge guy, and he's six

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Speaker 1: one and a half two hundred and thirty pounds. Sure

467
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Speaker 1: doesn't have the length that you want to necessarily be

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Speaker 1: a defensive end. So where's he gonna play here? He's

469
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Speaker 1: listen as an inside linebacker, So you know, I'm really

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Speaker 1: eager to see how he does holding him in coverage

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Speaker 1: and is moving around, and he got you know, allowed

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Speaker 1: some spacing at times, a little wild when he was

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Speaker 1: covering running backs out of the backfield, but he has

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Speaker 1: the athleticism and make up for that. I saw a

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Speaker 1: couple of times we knocked balls down when the ball

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Speaker 1: went to the flat, he was in position to actually

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Speaker 1: and then and then when there was a contested catch, right,

478
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Speaker 1: you saw him punching at the football to try and

479
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Speaker 1: knock and that's exactly what I'm talking about. He lost

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Speaker 1: or he gave up some spacing at the top of

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Speaker 1: that route, sure, but he had the closing burst to

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Speaker 1: make it up and knock the ball down at the

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Speaker 1: catch point. So yeah, his athleticism continue to stand out.

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Speaker 1: And what I really liked what the North team did

485
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Speaker 1: is they also let him rush right and use them

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Speaker 1: on something. He got underneath the business Waddy the pit tackle.

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Speaker 1: He got underneath them that dipped at natural flexibility and

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Speaker 1: got to the pocket. So I still don't know one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent exactly where you're gonna play him. I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a stand up off the ball linebacker,

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Speaker 1: but you can get creative with him because he can

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Speaker 1: rush the pastor and you do a lot of things

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Speaker 1: without athleticism. Well, i'll tell you what, I totally agree

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Speaker 1: with you watching him play. I had not seen him

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Speaker 1: in and uh on my article on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I encourage you to read it the practice notes. He

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Speaker 1: was a guy. Gave you credit for that because you did.

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Speaker 1: You did have him in your in your top five

499
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Speaker 1: good player and uh, I need to need to take

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Speaker 1: a look uh anybody else though, I mean I know

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Speaker 1: you had a list of guys kind of working through

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Speaker 1: Cooper cup Uh, you know we mentioned and it's it's

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Speaker 1: hard not to like him because and I think the

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Speaker 1: two words that that really pop with him as route savvy.

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Speaker 1: He's so good at open creating that space, giving the

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Speaker 1: quarterback an open window. He and everyone's gonna, I think,

507
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Speaker 1: well not everyone, but a lot of people are gonna

508
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Speaker 1: be a little scared off at the combine when he

509
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Speaker 1: runs a four five five or you know, doesn't test

510
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Speaker 1: off the charts. And I wrote this in my practice report.

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Speaker 1: But he's a better football player than athlete. And let's

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Speaker 1: not overthink it. That's not a bad thing. At the

513
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Speaker 1: end of the day, we're not running track here. We're

514
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Speaker 1: playing football, right. You know you want athleticism, don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong. You want athletes to go out there, but

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Speaker 1: you want football players, and that's what this kid is.

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Speaker 1: You look at the production, the most prolific wide receiver

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Speaker 1: at the FCS level. He leads all divisions FBSFCS Division

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Speaker 1: two division. This is not just a try hard guy. No,

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Speaker 1: this is not This is not a just a hey

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Speaker 1: he's a guy. He's got limited athletic ability and I

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Speaker 1: mean that he's far because, and I'll prove your point.

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Speaker 1: I was watching, you know, Eastern Washington play against Youngtown's Steak,

524
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Speaker 1: because that's watching Rivers play, and you know what, they're

525
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Speaker 1: playing game, playoff game, and they're playing it up there

526
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Speaker 1: in Eastern Washington and it's it's sl freezing cold, it's

527
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: snow and it's all you know, you could see the

528
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: conditions just look terrible. And who's making plays in the game.

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Speaker 1: They keep throwing the ball and he keeps making plays.

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Speaker 1: Give me a guy that in all conditions can go

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Speaker 1: make plays. It's a little bit like and again out

532
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: there'll say, oh, you're comparing him to a white wide receiver.

533
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Speaker 1: I'm not Jordy Nelson, Jordison a guy that played in

534
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Speaker 1: bad weather and goes and makes a play. But something

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Speaker 1: too that. I really like what you just said though,

536
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Speaker 1: because I was joking in the press box that this

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Speaker 1: poor guy is gonna get compared to Welker and at

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Speaker 1: Beasley and all these other like try hard white wide

539
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Speaker 1: receivers who don't impress you when you're staying that, he's

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Speaker 1: not like that right here, and I think Jordy Nelson

541
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Speaker 1: is a way better comparison, even his fast I don't think, yeah,

542
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: fact rout, Saddie, go get the football, throw the cape off,

543
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: mud all over your body and arms, and you're still

544
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Speaker 1: making um land zero line. I was reading his write

545
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Speaker 1: up on the guy, and I thought his comparison was

546
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: really good too. I am a homer, I always admit,

547
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: but he compared in Jarvis Landry and I was like, yeah,

548
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: I can see he can go inside and out. He's

549
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: probably not as athletic as Jarvis, but he's got great

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Speaker 1: hands and he knows that was four or five five

551
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Speaker 1: speed basically Landry. Yeah, but no he For those that

552
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: want to know more about Cooper Cup, I posted my

553
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Speaker 1: report on Twitter, so check out my timeline there. I

554
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: retweeted that too for you by the way. There. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, they played a PAC twelve opponent every single

556
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Speaker 1: year Eastern Washington against those four opponents the last four years.

557
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Speaker 1: Here is stats against the PAC twelve opponents. Forty catches,

558
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixteen yards, eleven touchdowns. Yeah. So when

559
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Speaker 1: he did go up against FBS competition, it's not like

560
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: he disappeared and you know he's yeah, he's I mean,

561
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm watching this guy, and I'm like, bring bring him

562
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Speaker 1: to the Cowboys in the second or third round. That's

563
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: fine with me, He'll take it. He's a guy who

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Speaker 1: I think is going to be best in the slot

565
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Speaker 1: because his ability to manipulate space where you know a

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Speaker 1: lot of incutting route, a lot of posts. He knows

567
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: how to get open in space, and so he can

568
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: do those things as a slot receiver. Doesn't mean he

569
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Speaker 1: camp on the outside as a number two. I think

570
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: he's best inside as a slot guy. Yeah, anybody else

571
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Speaker 1: you got on that list? Who else do I have here?

572
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: Um Moten the Western Michigan tacol I thought it had

573
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: a nice day the whole week. I thought he's been

574
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: pretty good. Terrell Basham the Ohio pass Rush. Yeah, interesting guy.

575
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: I wrote about him today because I like what you

576
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: were talking about it. I got to stop. There was

577
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: like there was like one It's like he's got that

578
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: kind of a right in body, but it was able

579
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Speaker 1: to get some production off the left and the right side. Russian.

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00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: I kind of liked that what I saw from him.

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Speaker 1: Who had the fight in the South practice? That was

582
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Speaker 1: a kid from Miami. Yeah, Rayshawn Jenkins and uh the

583
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: our Grambling guy Grambling William J. Williams. Yeah, I went

584
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: at it. I always like to see that. I can't

585
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: get the blood pumping, you know, get after it. Yeah,

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00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell these people what you're trying to throw out

587
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: A guy I like and I wrote about I wrote

588
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: about him today, and I will tell you who I

589
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: wrote about because I like the fact that I didn't

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00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: see it from Cameron Sutton yesterday. I didn't see greatness

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Speaker 1: from Cameron Sutton. And I had a lot of people

592
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: asked me about him. I thought he was just okay.

593
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Speaker 1: Then the Browns did me a favor today. They played

594
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: him It's safe and they and you know what, he

595
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: got to cover O J. Howard and he wasn't terrible

596
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: doing it. O J. Howard has been running through you know,

597
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: been unstoppable, you know, catching these Yeah, he is by far,

598
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: he's the best player here. But what I liked though

599
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: about Sutton though, is they tried him in a different position.

600
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: He was playing as a nickel almost like a nickel linebacker,

601
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Speaker 1: so they put him down. They thought he was physical

602
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: enough to be the nickel linebacker, played him some bit safety.

603
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: They played him in the slot, and they played him

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Speaker 1: outside a corner. So if you're talking about a guy

605
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: who I didn't, I'm like, okay, I'm not noticing you.

606
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: Now today, all of a sudden, they put him in

607
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: a different spot and he looks like a different football player.

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00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: So I didn't think, like the tape at Tennessee was

609
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: all that great. No. We watched that together, Yeah, and

610
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Speaker 1: we it was just not that impressive, and I was thinking, Okay,

611
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: I had him down at a certain level. But now

612
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, man, if he can do some of

613
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: these things that we were talking, and we'll get a

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00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: chance to watch the Senior Bowl practice and I'll show

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Speaker 1: You'll point out to you at times when you know

616
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: when Howard was running across the field and who was

617
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: chasing him and who was trying to be in position,

618
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: so you know, keep an eye on him. Though as

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Speaker 1: as that type of guy, I did like him a

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Speaker 1: lot and I liked what I saw from him in

621
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: that way. So anybody else, though, they kind of stand

622
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: dow anybody else to jump out on you. One other

623
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Speaker 1: guy that I wanted to mention from the North practice

624
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: is John new Smith, the Florida international tight end. I

625
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: think we talked about the South team and all those

626
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: tight ends like Howard and Ingram and Gerald ever right,

627
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: but it was John new Smith on the North team.

628
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: He deserves mentioned. Not quite as as good as those

629
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: top three, but he's close. And he doesn't have the

630
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: traditional build of a tight end yea six h two

631
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Speaker 1: six exactly, but he did okay. As a blocker he

632
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: held his own and then as a route runner, very

633
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: good release off the on, sharp footwork to get in

634
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: and out of his brakes, create a little bit of separation,

635
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: very athletic tight end. I think John new Smith is

636
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Speaker 1: going to be a little bit of a riser throughout

637
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Speaker 1: this process. What you think about when we talked. I

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Speaker 1: talked a lot yesterday about Jordan Lewis. I thought he

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Speaker 1: this or this, but he you know, he was a

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a terrible day for him, but wasn't as

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Speaker 1: good as yesterday for Jordan Lewis. Can you tell me

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Speaker 1: about Isaac Rochelle then from Notre Dame shifting gears? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's I think he looks like a three

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Speaker 1: If you look for a base end in the three

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Speaker 1: when you saw him at Notre Dame was there anything?

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Speaker 1: right tape, you get really excited about Rochelle, then watch

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Speaker 1: another tape and you're I don't know, I mean, so

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Speaker 1: personally like Wormling the Michigan kid, right. I like him

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Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, And then I mean he's to me,

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Speaker 1: he was a defensive end. He's over right, around three

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Speaker 1: Wormly impressed me more. But Rochelle, there is something there.

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Speaker 1: Gotta figure him out because the thought, okay, remember that

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Speaker 1: all the Notre Dame guys who used to do in

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Speaker 1: the tape was always inconsistent with those guys, and now

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Speaker 1: they're all playing late. Okay, we're gonna take our first

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Speaker 1: wants to know about Justin Evans. He's how and how

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Speaker 1: is he doing this week? You know, Yeah, he's doing

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Speaker 1: okay this week. Um, he's fast, he's a very very

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Speaker 1: good athlete and he'll move around a little bit. He's

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Speaker 1: there's no question about it. The mistackles on tape drive

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Speaker 1: me nuts with Justin Evans. Um that was kind of

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Speaker 1: an A and M staple in their secondary it was,

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Speaker 1: but he was asked to be more of a strong

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Speaker 1: for the Aggies. What if he's more of a free

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Speaker 1: play single high and I don't know, I I'm weary

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Speaker 1: about Justin Evans just because the mistackles and mistakes drove

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Speaker 1: me nuts when I when I watched his tape. But

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of ability there. I think you can

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Speaker 1: coach a little bit more out of him. Uh it's

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Speaker 1: a player who he was only two years at A

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Speaker 1: and M. He was a Juco kid, So I think

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Speaker 1: there's still more you can get out of him. Very

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Speaker 1: interesting to see where he ends up in terms of

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Speaker 1: draft value. Is you need to be a second rounder

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Speaker 1: or be more of a third round Now he ends

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Speaker 1: up somewhere at day two. I like. I like what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about though with the movement though, I think

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Speaker 1: do a little bit the more of the range stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think you're onto something there. But yeah, second or

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Speaker 1: third that's kind of where you're gonna look at him.

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Speaker 1: I love our fans or anybody who listens to this

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Speaker 1: show is smart. I feel like and I love Chris

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Speaker 1: jumping onto the trend bandwagon early because he went We

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about Jake, but he wants to know

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Speaker 1: about Gamblee type prospects for the second round, specifically because

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Speaker 1: it's basically accepted by Cowboys fanswere that we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: something Lacky in the second round, So predict that that's

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Speaker 1: that's when it could be. That's when you get a

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Speaker 1: general manager that's not going to fire him. Our owner

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Speaker 1: you'll make those say picks you. You won't be like

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Speaker 1: Brian Brouss. You won't take mix and you'll take somebody else.

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Speaker 1: So is there somebody I feel like we've talked about

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Speaker 1: but a decent bit all ready. But is there anybody

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Speaker 1: let me throw a scenario out there. Though I don't

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Speaker 1: think that O. J. Howard gets to Dallas at twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: but you need a tight end. We talked about several

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Speaker 1: tight ends that were involved at the Senior Bowl. We

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Speaker 1: think that are not bad options. But but do you

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Speaker 1: if Howard doesn't get to you would plan B to

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Speaker 1: B too? All right? Now, if we don't get him,

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Speaker 1: plan B is too okay, second round? Would you go

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Speaker 1: into a draft thinking that? Would you go into I don't.

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Speaker 1: If we don't get Howard at twenty eight, then let's

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Speaker 1: turn around take the best player we can at twenty

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Speaker 1: eight and hope again that we can get but at

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Speaker 1: the back end of the second Yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: that'd be. That'd be the plan right there. You know,

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Speaker 1: Jake but's an interesting player because he's not great in

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Speaker 1: a blocker, receiver, route runner. Gotta does everything right, not

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Speaker 1: at an elite level. You factor in the ACL now

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Speaker 1: and we'll have the way to the combine and figure

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Speaker 1: out what's going on and you know the rehab. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think he's the best answer to the

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Speaker 1: question about that second round guy who right, you have

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Speaker 1: plenty of questions about in terms of you know, medicals

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Speaker 1: and maybe not just the tape, but he would fit.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This is a strong tight end class.

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Speaker 1: So if they don't get Howard in the first or

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Speaker 1: even a button the second, there are plenty of other

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Speaker 1: options you can go. I think the way their board's

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Speaker 1: gonna set, I think it's gonna be Howard in the first.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna not stay parcels again, to use

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Speaker 1: his line, They're not gonna stack those tight ends in

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Speaker 1: there like club sandwiches. It's not gonna be you know

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna have that a little Yeah, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: space it out. So we have a buch of grilled

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Speaker 1: Let me throw a hot take at you then. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as far as I know, Jake Budd is not dealing

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Speaker 1: with nerve damage like Jayleen in this day and age.

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Speaker 1: For me, even I mean, even though you know he

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Speaker 1: at least not right away, is an acl enough to

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Speaker 1: scare a team off from taking him higher than that?

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Speaker 1: Just I mean, knowing that he'll make a full recovery,

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Speaker 1: he'll be fine. Well, what are the teams that use

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Speaker 1: these tight ends nowadays? Yeah, you know that team's gonna

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Speaker 1: be picking behind you if he's that good. You know

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Speaker 1: you gotta watch. Like you say, you were worried about

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Speaker 1: New New England. You know, everybody was scared about New

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Speaker 1: England going to get Jayalen Smith ahead of Dallas. They

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Speaker 1: weren't going to do that, but would they go do

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Speaker 1: it for a tight end? You know, that's where you know,

851
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: would would they get you know, would they go do that?

852
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: Especially if they lose more tell us Bennett right, that

853
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: kind of a situation. So I don't know. I mean,

854
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: that's that's a thought that's to me, and I don't

855
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: know all the injured guys. When we get further down

856
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: the road, that's kind of figure out who the injured

857
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: guys are, because we'll get to the combine and there'll

858
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: be somebody that's got something wrong with them and it

859
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: will drive him down the board. We need to save

860
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: that question for maybe at the combine or even later

861
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: to find it. Absolutely, I hate I'm sorry, Dane. No,

862
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: for all we know. Toach McKinley, that might be a more. Yeah,

863
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: so we'll wait if if Mixing sitting there when they

864
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: picking the back end of the second round. I mean,

865
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I would be happy about it, but

866
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: you can't do it. We're not getting back into that subject, Cup, Cup.

867
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't blame you, Cup, except when we talked about

868
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: Cupe times already. Yeah. Yeah, going against Desmond King today, Yeah,

869
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Cup got the better of him, Sure he did. Is

870
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: that more of a positive for Cup or a negative

871
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: for King? Do I feel like it's both? I mean

872
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: you have to take it that way. It's it's tough

873
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: for these dbs in this type of setting. Uh, you know,

874
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: because you're going one on one against some pretty good

875
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: receivers and King's not the fastest guy to be get with.

876
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: It's not really his game. But uh, you know, we

877
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: both think he's a safety. I think he's a safety,

878
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: if you know, and and if it's one of those

879
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: things where you see stuff like that, I wish that

880
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: they would try him some at safety. I thought there

881
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: was a little period we were doing, the walk through

882
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: period where they put him at safe you just to

883
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: kind of give him a little bit different look, and

884
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, they're gonna play it safety. So

885
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: I get to see this a little bit, but didn't

886
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: get to. But I think he's a safety, I really

887
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: really do. And he's separating from everybody's cup cups not cups,

888
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: not him and the North Carolina kid are They're having

889
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: a hard time covering those two guys. Gotten a couple

890
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: of questions with my grandma, and I believe you talked

891
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: you touched on him in your notebook tonight, h West

892
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: Virginia Cornerbacks talked about you think you kind of always

893
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: saw him as like a press man corner to me,

894
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: that's what he is, right. That's when you watch his

895
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: West Virginia tabe. That's when he was at his best.

896
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: When he was up at the line of scrimmage. Now

897
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: he would miss sometimes with his jam, but when he

898
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: did connect and he was able to, you know, disrupt

899
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: the route, get guys uncomfortable, you know, that really paid

900
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: off for him. I mean, he was the best player

901
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: in that West Virginia defense sure his entire senior year.

902
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: And he's got a great backstory. This is a guy

903
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: who wanted to be an NBA star, uh and you

904
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: know as a great name first that. Yeah, as high

905
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: school went on, he kind of realized, you know what

906
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: football might be my best bet. Goes to Nasau Community

907
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: College in New York, and you know, a guy who

908
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: had to have his own apartment and he was taking

909
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: the bus to school every day. He did that for

910
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: three years, right, red shirted there and then played two

911
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: years there before he went to West Virginia. He was

912
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: a backup as a junior, and then as a senior

913
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: really kind of elevated his game and showed that, you know,

914
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: I belong on the NFL map, on the NFL radar,

915
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: and he's done, he's gone or come to hear the

916
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. And I don't think he's looked out of place. No,

917
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: he hasn't. I thought there was a couple of different

918
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: times you watched him today on if you happen to

919
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: do that. On the coverage, he jumped some routes he

920
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: was in position, and I thought instead of being coverage, no,

921
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: I mean off coverage. Yeah, And so he was able,

922
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: especially down in the red zone. There were a couple

923
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: of times where he was able to undercut a route,

924
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, and he was able to go in front.

925
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about a guy that's uh, you know,

926
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: he's six two two h four, that's a long guy.

927
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: And I saw a couple of things that that made

928
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: me think, well, maybe this guy, you know, with that

929
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: kind of length, that kind of range, if he if

930
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: he plays with that kind of awareness too, is ability

931
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: to take away rounds, you might have a guy there.

932
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: I initially kind of thought he was like a fourth

933
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: round guy, and then I was and I think, well,

934
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: maybe I have him too low. I gave him. I

935
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: gave him a three four based on tape, but four

936
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: it seemed like Seattle or one of these teams that

937
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: really value that length that you talk about the miss

938
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: right those guys, Maybe you coach him up to where

939
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't miss. Yeah, wouldn't be surprised at all if

940
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: he goes even higher than that, just based on measurable

941
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: raw measurable exactly. I know the answer to this for me,

942
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: But for y'all, David wants to know, if O. J.

943
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: Howard is there and you can get up and get

944
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: him with the third round pick, would you do it?

945
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: Would you move your third to get there? That's like,

946
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: that's like a fourth round pick. That's good point. But yeah,

947
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: you're probably jump into like, I don't know, nineteen twenty

948
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: twenty one. Yeah, that is interesting. So yeah, I mean

949
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about a pick that's very close to being

950
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: out of the time. I don't I don't think anybody

951
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: would would. I don't think anybody would kill the cows.

952
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: That's a terrible word to use. I don't think anybody

953
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: would fault, would fault that's a better word. Thank you

954
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: for being educated. I don't think anybody would fault the

955
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: Cowboys for an aggressive move to go get OJ Howard.

956
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't, I would you would? Yeah, this is a

957
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: strong tight end class O. J. Howard is number one.

958
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: If you would dispute that, but I don't think necessarily.

959
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: If he falls to you at twenty eight, okay, then

960
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: you really have to consider taking him. But if I

961
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: if I told you were getting Greg Olsen, would you

962
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: give up a third? Don't tell me that that's are

963
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: you grating OJ Howard as a Greg Olson? I think

964
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: I think you have a Greg Olson career. I think

965
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: I think he compared him to Greg ols I did

966
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: I compared. I compare him to Greg Olsen. I do

967
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: agree with I think as his ability to get down

968
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: the field, separate and make catches. Okay, and he and

969
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: he's a better blocker than people give him credit. We

970
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: used to and we saw that today when they kept

971
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: him in, when they kept him in the block the edge,

972
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: the linebacker on the blitz, what DoD he do? Stone? Stay? Stay? Stay?

973
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: He shows that on his tape. He's not an overpowering

974
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: guy by any means, but he gets in the way,

975
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: he can sustain for a little bit and he gets

976
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: the job done. You know that he can do that

977
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: as a block. What if he was Tyler Eifford? No,

978
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean I'd rather in the second round pick up

979
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: one of these other Definitely not Eric. That guy has

980
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: had a terrible career. Yeah he's he's kind of wasted

981
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: his talent. Or the Lions pick, Yeah, he wasn't good

982
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: as much. Sure the Lions would rather have Aaron Donald

983
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: or Odell, But as much as I like O. J. Howard,

984
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up because I view my third rounder

985
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: as a starter. I think I can find a starter

986
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: in the third round. You shouldn't be able to actually

987
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: on a defense. Charles Tapper, Yeah he gotta bring that.

988
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: Hey he's healthy. What about the compensatory pick in the

989
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: fourth round last year? I want to trade that one? Yeah?

990
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: You wanting up that one? Boys? Wait a minute? Who

991
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: on the draft shows? Who on the draft show? We

992
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: at one thirty five, we had them taking Dak Prescott.

993
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying we had that pick. What

994
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: he's saying is that just because it doesn't sound valuable

995
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it is. It's not valuable, like you can

996
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: get You don't have five, do you, Dave? No, we

997
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: don't have a five right now? Yeah. See Dan, I

998
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: don't blame him. He wants to have all his picks.

999
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: I hate it. But and this defense needs help. But

1000
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: if you told me all due respect in the world

1001
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: to Jason Witten, like a dynamic red zone threat tight

1002
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: end who can go up and get the Greg Olsen,

1003
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: make this offense even nastier than a hearty Yeah, I

1004
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, you could talk me into it, but

1005
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be number. Is he your seventeenth best player?

1006
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: What is oj Howard Howard? Yeah? Yeah, he was somewhere

1007
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: in the teens. I mean he he's up there, so

1008
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: that I mean it makes sense and ms of value.

1009
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: But for this team, the strength of this tight end class,

1010
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: I feel much better about getting my tight end in

1011
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: the second or third round and getting an impact defense.

1012
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: Second round tight ends have worked out well here. Wow,

1013
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: yeah that should not. Why why are you throwing all

1014
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: these grenades? I'm just telling you, why are you throwing?

1015
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: What round was Jason wit And drafted him? He was?

1016
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: He was he was drafting the third Okay, then just

1017
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: forget second round. He had a first round grade on

1018
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: that guy was last and that was he was our

1019
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: and that's our last third round grade. We had him

1020
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: at a one point one nine. You know what though

1021
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: though that in that draft, though there was you talk

1022
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: about a deep draft. L J. Smith, Uh Sideman Mike

1023
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: Sidon was in that draft as well, and then Dallas

1024
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Clark was in that draft. Dallas Clark, iowas right here,

1025
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: old man, ye, old man, remember being at sixth grade

1026
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: grade in that draft. Yeah, seriously, give me, give me

1027
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: some more questions I got. I got a couple of

1028
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: questions about Fred Ross. What y'all think of him? Action?

1029
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: He's a Mississippi State guy. Yeah, a lot of people

1030
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: talk in the action the Fred The Fred Ross buzz

1031
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: today was a ball because of Dak Right. Has he

1032
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: done anything this week for you? Caught one ball I

1033
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: saw today? Yeah? I know, I know you always cheer

1034
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: when I tell you what do you do today? Yeah?

1035
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: I believe it was Fred Ross. He I'm pretty sure

1036
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: he before Trudavious White got hurt. He beat Trudavious White

1037
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: on a comeback for a decent game. Yeah, that's all

1038
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: I got. Fred Ross is a solid receiver. He you

1039
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: watch his uh Mississippi State tape. Anytime there was a

1040
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: third and seven, they're going to Fred Ross. He was there.

1041
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: Kind of their money player on those money downs. Very reliable.

1042
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: He's not gonna wow anyone with his athleticism or even

1043
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: his size. Not the biggest guy, but better than Dunia Wilson.

1044
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for eight. I'm just taking shouts at the

1045
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: Mississippi State guys. Yeah, Fred Ross. He leaves Mississippi State

1046
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: as the all time leading receiver and a lot of categories. Sure,

1047
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: a productive guy. He'll play in the NFL. But I

1048
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're I don't see anything more than

1049
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: maybe a fourth receiver. Either my crazy or I didn't see.

1050
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I wasn't really it wasn't one of

1051
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: those things where I was getting lit up. I mean

1052
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: there's receivers out there, they're running routes and you see separation. Yeah.

1053
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: You even talk about your Michigan guy, Darbou. Yeah, Darbou?

1054
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: You know I mean, I mean him or Darbo? Oh

1055
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: give me Darbou. Yeah. Explain why you like Darbo so much? Well,

1056
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: I think he reminds me a lot of Jalen Strong

1057
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: when he was coming out of Arizona State, except he's

1058
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: Darbo is a better version. I think. You see, he's crafty,

1059
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: a strong. Everybody's talking about him as a high high pick.

1060
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: I know, and I think Darbou is jail. I think

1061
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: Darbou is what we wanted Jayleen Strong to be. I

1062
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: think he's a crafty route runner, strong at the catchpoint,

1063
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: very good athlete. Not a speedster by any means, and

1064
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: not an elite speed guy. But in terms of getting

1065
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: open in his routes, I think he can do that.

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00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: I like Darbou quite a bit, somewhere in the top

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00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: one hundred third round area maybe. And let me ask

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00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: you this one more time. I'm talking about receivers. A

1069
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 1: lot of people out there Texas A and and H fans,

1070
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, and and I get on you about Josh Reynolds.

1071
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: We'll be debating him throughout the process. There's no no

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00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: question this is gonna be. This is gonna be because

1073
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: every time, yeah, because every time I say, oh, look

1074
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: at that, look at that, and then and he drops

1075
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: a ball in the day, he goes, oh look at that,

1076
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Josh Reynolds, I'll take all day as

1077
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: my number four receiver. I would love to have him

1078
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: as my number four as Okay, well, all like Reynolds

1079
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: or a ross Um, you know, because I with Reynolds,

1080
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: you have a little bit more upside. I think you

1081
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: have a little bit more like his vertical ability. I

1082
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: will take that because he can get a step down field,

1083
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: go up and catch the ball and be a playmaker.

1084
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: But I just don't. I mean, what is he Do

1085
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: you think he could be a number two in the league.

1086
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I think you're right about that now. But

1087
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say he's a four. But I don't

1088
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: think he's a natural slot guy. So to me, he

1089
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: feels like a Bryce Butler role, where yeah, he's a

1090
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: number four, Well, and give him time and maybe you know,

1091
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: he's a number four for you Andy, and then maybe

1092
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 1: after some time he can grow into a larger role.

1093
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know. I don't. I'm not

1094
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: as high in him as some other people are. Doesn't

1095
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: mean I don't like him, No, No, I know that.

1096
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: No I did, because you know what, you think he's

1097
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: way better. I think he is way better. He kicked

1098
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: Kansas States, but I watched that Bowl game he did.

1099
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: But Dane's right, because you mean he you know, he goes, oh,

1100
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: Chad Williams was gonna catch that ball. You know, Chad

1101
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: Williams is gonna catch And you know he's right by

1102
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: the way Gramley kid, I keep talking about him but

1103
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: he's he's had a he's he's helped himself, but he

1104
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: made that safety pretty mad for Miami. Yeah, okay, all right, yeah,

1105
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: well thanks d Square. Okay, hey, thanks everybody out there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break and then we'll come back.

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Speaker 1: Is that Dallascowboys dot com? Draft Showboys back here on

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show. Got about five minutes left in the show,

1149
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: kind of went through a lot of different things. Today

1150
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: would be the only padded practice. Tomorrow we'll go back

1151
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: to the shoulder pads and shorts variety. Oh yeah, I'm

1152
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: more of a walkthrough or as the Browns coaches would say,

1153
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: normal practice. But no, I mean we've talked about though,

1154
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: what we got out of the practices and stuff like that. Though, Yeah,

1155
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: that's you know, and we've got to show tomorrow and

1156
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: we'll know you've got to go back. You're heading back

1157
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: to Dallas tomorrow. So Dave and I will kind of

1158
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: carry on and maybe some guys we'll talk about tomorrow,

1159
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: but we think it will happen in the game. Maybe

1160
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: some guys. But is there anybody you know, is there

1161
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: anybody that you're just kind of waiting for? Dane are

1162
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: you waiting for somebody to show up? Are you waiting?

1163
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: Is it? Like man, I came in with expectations. I

1164
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: got through, I got through one practice, I got through

1165
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: a padded practice, and I'm still kind of waiting on

1166
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: a guy. Well, yeah, a couple of guys I think

1167
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: deserve mentioned there. Troy Garcia from or Tony Garcia from

1168
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: Troy right. Uh, he has a lot of hype right now.

1169
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: Is you know, maybe the top senior tackle. Maybe a

1170
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: guy's gonna push for first round status. But I don't know.

1171
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I was, I didn't see

1172
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: it on tape and I haven't seen it here. I

1173
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: think he's a solid guy in that second and fourth

1174
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: round range, trying to you know, figure out where he fits.

1175
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: But I didn't see a first round player. Um, and

1176
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: I think that's that's held true here. But the quarterbacks, Yeah,

1177
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: I was gonna go. I was gonna go with Dame.

1178
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna go with Dave on that because I

1179
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: knew and I want you to get Yeah, I was

1180
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: gonna ask it. There's six guys out there, and you

1181
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: know where you would cover your eyes and as they

1182
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: throw you just go, oh my god, what a difference

1183
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: a year mix. I'll tell you one thing. I'm not

1184
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: saying he's good because he's not. He doesn't appear to

1185
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: be based on two practices. But Davis Webb can chuck

1186
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: the football, though he can sing a prospernative. He like,

1187
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: he's kind of got the JaMarcus Russell thing where he

1188
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: just goes like and it goes like sixty yards. So

1189
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: you're so you're saying, might not go where it's supposed

1190
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: to go, but it goes. So the six guys, you see,

1191
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: because I was watching Josh Dobbs. Dobbs made a throw

1192
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: going to his left today and Dame was like, and

1193
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: I was like, well, hey, that was a nice throw.

1194
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: What'd you have? And then you were kind of you

1195
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: were saying, hey, maybe don't let me misquote you or

1196
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: anything like here. But when we get into game situations

1197
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, things kind of fall apart for him.

1198
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: Decision making, the ability to win from the pocket as

1199
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: a passer. I just don't see it with Dobbs. I don't.

1200
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear a lot of Dak comparisons with him

1201
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: because the intangible, Yeah, I think he did throw to

1202
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: his left pretty well. That one That's actually really funny though,

1203
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: because the big thing like how much Dak improved even

1204
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: though he wasn't a Heisman contender, he improved so much

1205
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: as a passer from junior to senior year. And the

1206
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: knock on Dobbs is like he hasn't improved as a

1207
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: quarterback since his freshman year in college. Highly touted type

1208
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: of guy, and Josh Dobbs is the reason Tennessee was

1209
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: so highly rated and failed to meet up to those

1210
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: expectations because you said every year you go, well, you

1211
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: got a third year or fourth year quarterback coming back,

1212
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be great and you're gonna be better

1213
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: because of it. And I don't think he ever met

1214
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: those expectations. There are three quarterbacks here who I gave

1215
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: draftable grades to Peterman from Pitt He's my top senior quarterback.

1216
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: I think a game of five h Davis Webb, who

1217
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: I think he needs a lot of work, but as

1218
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, David was saying the the arm is there.

1219
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: He's tall. He's not thick, but he's tall. He I

1220
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: thought I gave him like a five six. And then CJ.

1221
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: Bethard from Iowa, who you know his grandfather. Yeah, longtime generalman.

1222
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: I know his grandfather, well, um, I gave him a

1223
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: six seven. Um a guy that maybe take a chance

1224
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: on late, maybe hassle them there. But besides those three guys,

1225
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: there just isn't much in the senior quarterback. The only

1226
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: guy of any of the quarterbacks that has flashed whatsoever

1227
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: for me is Webb, and that's mostly just because you

1228
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: can can sling it. You can see the arms six four, five, two,

1229
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: twenty nine. The measurables for Webb's very lean to twenty nine. Yeah,

1230
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: he's like one of those really tall guys that still

1231
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: looks really small though. And he looked at the offenses

1232
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: that he's been in Texas Tech and then Cals two

1233
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: air raid offenses where you know, he's just chucking it.

1234
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: His reads are predetermined a lot of throws within seven

1235
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: yards a line of scrimmage. So he just there's so

1236
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: much that's going to be asked with him at the

1237
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: NFL level that he just doesn't know, he hasn't experienced yet.

1238
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: And so with that, there's a lot of question marks

1239
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: with him. Okay, random observation that's not really related to that,

1240
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: but I meant to bring it up earlier. Evan Ingram.

1241
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: Why are we calling the sky at tight end? He's not,

1242
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver. Like that's that's very misleading because

1243
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: I saw I saw him go out and make Well,

1244
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: they're calling a kid at Virginia Tech a tied end.

1245
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: It plays wide received wide receiver too, Hodges. I will

1246
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: pound the table as long as I as long as

1247
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: it takes both those guys are wide receiver. Ingram abused

1248
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: this UH safety today on a nice ball in the slot,

1249
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, WHOA, who's that wide receiver that

1250
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: made that play? It's Evan Ingram. He's a big receiver.

1251
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: He's that Marquis Colston role. You put him in the slot,

1252
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: you let him manipulate the middle of the field against

1253
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: safeties and linebackers. You got yourself in play, much like

1254
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: Marcus Colston back in two thousand and six. Like, he's

1255
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: gonna go into the league and people are gonna call

1256
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: him a tight end and he's gonna put up receiver numbers,

1257
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: win a bunch of people their fantasy league, and it's

1258
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna piss me. I hope he goes to the right situation.

1259
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: I think he will. Okay, Well, that's all the time

1260
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: we have for tonight. I want to thank everybody out

1261
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: there for listening watching. I want to thank these guys too.

1262
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: I want to thank David Hellman. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: Dane Brun. We'll lose Dane tomorrow he heads back, but

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Speaker 1: we'll have him. Yeah, please to well, well, we'll still

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Speaker 1: keep talking show, but Dane will join us back next week.

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Speaker 1: We'll get on that Thursday. The Draft shows are gonna

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Speaker 1: be on now on Thursday, and so make sure you

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Speaker 1: check it out and uh, you know uh and and

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Speaker 1: keep watching. I also want to thank Ken Garrison for

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Speaker 1: getting us on air here in the hotel room and

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Speaker 1: allowing us to do this. Also want to thank UH.

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Speaker 1: I want to also thank uh, Ed Kayhill and Derek

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Speaker 1: Eagleton as well for h for helping us promote this

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Speaker 1: show and get it all out. And again I'll thank

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Speaker 1: Taylor Stern too for what she does promoting us as well.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be back tomorrow, probably around the same time.

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Speaker 1: There'll be six pm Central for my guys here. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night at the Draft show.