1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Show. Our guest is Mark Levin, the 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: great One. And I have to say this every time 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: I do an interview with every time he's kind enough 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: to do an interview with me, because he doesn't do 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: many anymore. He doesn't need to, doesn't want to. He 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: restricts himself sort of Henry David Threau. You know out 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: at Walden. He only comes forth and makes pronouncements and 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: goes back. But this is the guy that gave me 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: my starting radio He gave me my first opportunity to 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: guest host his national show. And I will be forever 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: grateful to him, to the great one, Mark Levin. Glad 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: to have you, sir, And. 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: I am forever grateful to you, my friend, because I 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: wouldn't be in Houston otherwise. Well, thank you very much. 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: I think you know I'm a big fan and I 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: remain a big, big fan. And I see you on 17 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Fox News last week, and you're the toast of the 18 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: town and Hannity had Sean had you on during the day, 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: and then he had you on the TV show, and 20 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: I mean, people can't get enough of you, and you've 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: become this this sort of intellectual sage for our way 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: of thinking. And it's like a lot of people in 23 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Tea Party feel like they know things are going wrong, 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: they don't know how to fix it. And you've written 25 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: a book that's designed with the prescription for just that, 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: called the Liberty Amendments. What are the Liberty Amendments. 27 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Michael, you are a student of the 28 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: law and the Constitution, and I just feel we're so 29 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 2: unmoored from the Constitution that we are in a post 30 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: constitutional period that we really need to be more serious, 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: you know, as a public, as a people, and not 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: just chase our politicians around when they're throwing silver dollars 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: at us and trying to distract us. The fact of 34 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: the matter is Obama announces almost every day that he's 35 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: an imperial president. The Supreme Court issues rulings that are 36 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: in many cases utterly preposterous, with one justice moving in 37 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: one direction or the other and imposing his or her 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: will in the entire nation. Like with Obamacare, they rewrote 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: the Constitution, they amended it right there on the fly. 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: You've got Congress writing these massive telephone book thick pages 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: and pages of laws and they don't even know what's 42 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: in it. And then they confer all this power on 43 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: this massive bureaucracy that passes three thousand laws every single year, 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: and we're told to live with it. You know, you 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 2: don't like Obamacare, too bad, it's the law. Or you 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: don't like the EPA, well, too bad, comply. You know. 47 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: I've written these other books analyzing this stuff and philosophy 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: and conservatism and liberalism, and I get a lot of calls, 49 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: and I'm sure you do where people say, well, what 50 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: are we going to do about it? What are we 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: going to do about And I know it's not true 52 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: to tell them just to elect more Republicans, because that's 53 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: not going to fix it. We had six years at 54 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: George W. Bush and a Republican House and Republican Senate, 55 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: and it was the most profligate spending federal government in 56 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: American history until this one, and the expanding Medicare and 57 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: expanding public federal and public education and so forth. So 58 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: I don't disagree that we are to fight for the 59 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: Ted Cruises and the Mike Lees and so forth at 60 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: the national level. And I've been involved in those fights, 61 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: and I don't disagree that we shouldn't take them to 62 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: court where we can. I run a Foundation. I'm in 63 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: court endlessly with these people, but the system is broken. 64 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 2: This is a systemic problem because we are unmoored from 65 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: the Constitution, Constitution. It's been one hundred year battle with 66 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: the Progressives, starting even before Wilson, but he was a 67 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: major impetus for this. You cannot have this centralized, top down, 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: authoritarian utopianism type government and at the same time have 69 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 2: a constitutional republic, and we have to admit that they want. 70 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: And what I'm saying is we need to breathe life 71 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: into a dormant constitution. And the way to do that 72 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: is to embrace the Constitution, to restore the Constitution and 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: the Republic. 74 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: Mark Levin is our guest. The book is called The 75 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Liberty Amendments Restoring the American Republic. One of the things 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: you lay out as a prescription is term limits, to 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: which many, myself included, would say, we have term limits, 78 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: there are elections. 79 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: How do you respond to that, Well, we also have 80 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: a professional, entrenched ruling class. And I went back and 81 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: looked at this because I had been skeptical about it 82 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: many many years ago, but not anymore. And it's interesting. 83 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: The Framers never never believed that there would be this 84 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: entrenched professional political class that would run time and time 85 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: and time again. As a matter of fact, for the 86 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: most of the eighteen hundreds, most members of the House 87 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: served one term. They had a fifty percent turnover. We 88 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: had what was called this historic election in twenty ten 89 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: where eighty five percent of the incumbents held their seats, 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: and that's done partly through gerrymandering and so forth. And 91 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: we don't really have term limits as a result of 92 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: elections because most people have no idea what their members 93 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: of Congress are doing or their senators are doing, because 94 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: they are involved in so much and the federal government 95 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: is so different than when the Constitution was established that yes, 96 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: we vote for a senator, but do you know that 97 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: your senator passed the statutes giving power to the executive 98 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: branch pass laws. People have no idea what senators did 99 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: in the month of July or June or March and 100 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: so forth. And they're doing a whole lot, and often 101 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: they're doing it in the dark undercover, like with the 102 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: immigration bill. They put these little gang groups together and 103 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: they write their their bills and so forth. And what 104 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: the Framers had wanted was a citizen legislature, and Ben 105 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: Franklin talked about it at length, and I caught him 106 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: at length in this particular chapter proposing this amendment. And 107 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: we have part time members of Congress and senators. They 108 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: were farmers, they go back to farming. They were small businessmen. 109 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: They would go back to their businesses. They didn't give 110 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: it up. Today obviously they do none of these things. 111 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: So in the case of ye right, I'm sorry, no. 112 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: In the case of Ben Franklin, they were printers a 113 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: leather apron man. 114 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: Right. 115 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorites, and I know one of yours. 116 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: The book is called The Liberty Amendments Restoring the American Republic. 117 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: Of the eleven prescriptions you make for America, which of 118 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: them is the most important? 119 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: Well, I can't say which is the most important. But 120 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: one of the reforms that I think is very important 121 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: is the one that addresses the Supreme Court. And as 122 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: I say, you know, there is eleven of them, but 123 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: this one. It term limits Supreme Court justices, which I 124 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: first proposed to Men in Black eight or nine years ago, 125 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: to twelve year terms on a rotation basis. And the 126 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: reason is simple. The Supreme Court is not what the 127 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: Supreme Court was intended to be when the Framers created 128 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: this Constitution. It's not only an independent body, which it 129 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: should be, but it is supreme in the sense that 130 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: it rules supreme over the entirety of society. So if 131 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: the Court puts out a bad decision in Dread Scott 132 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: or Plessy or Cormats or Roe v. Wade, or on 133 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: the same sex marriage or whatever, whether you agree with 134 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: them or not, the point is these are imperfect human 135 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: beings who make mistakes or who use their positions to 136 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: impose their own positions on the nation. And there needs 137 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: to be, in my view, something short of this pull 138 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: up Bua mentality where John Roberts rewrites the Constitution and 139 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: rewrites the Obamacare law and we're told that's the law, 140 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: live with it. No. I think the broader body politics. 141 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: I'm not into plebiscites and majoritarianism, into representative government. I 142 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: think the broader body to politic that is, the states, 143 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: three fists of the States with the power to override 144 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: a majority decision, not amend it, rewrite it, or whatever, 145 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: just expungent, and three fifths of the House and the Senate. 146 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: Same thing is a perfectly legitimate response to judicial tyranny. 147 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: In some of these cases are an out of control 148 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: court system in some of these cases. So that's one 149 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: of the. 150 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: Things I've proposed, the Liberty Amendments. Mark Levin is our guest. 151 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: No Michael Berry's show. Mark Levin is our guest. The 152 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: book is called The Liberty Amendments Restoring the American Republic. 153 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: You know, I first knew of you, not as a 154 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: talk show host, but as the author of Men in Black, 155 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: and you know, as a as a former student of 156 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: the law. I was amazed by how well you laid 157 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: out I think a very powerful case for the fact 158 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court is governing us more than the 159 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: President and Congress is. But when I look at your 160 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: life and what you've done as a legal scholar and 161 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: as the president of the Landmark Legal Foundation, and your 162 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: years with Reagan, and now I look at your book, 163 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: of your list of books of Maritopia, Men in Black, 164 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Rescuing Sprite, which sort of outside this but as an 165 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: outlier to what I'm about to say, Liberty and Tyranny, 166 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: which just went gangbusters thirty eight weeks on the New 167 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: York Times bestseller list and three months at number one, 168 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: selling more than a million copies. And this, of course 169 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: will sell. Who knows how many did you ever think that, 170 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: I mean, these are very highbrow conversations you're having. This 171 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: is not you know of the is this is This 172 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: is not simple stuff. This isn't the stuff O'Reilly puts out. 173 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: This is very intellectual stuff. Did you ever expect that 174 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: you would have this broadened audience for this level of discussion. 175 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: No, Michael, I didn't, and that's why I am blessed, 176 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: and that's why I try not to. I try not 177 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: to blow it. Let me put it to you that way. 178 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: My radio show. Yes, I'm very passionate. I like to 179 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: have fun. I get annoyed at people, but through all 180 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: of it, it's substantive and same with what I write 181 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: when I sit down. Obviously, I'm not dealing with callers 182 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: or liberals or whatever. I'm trying to make the substantive 183 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: intellectual case for liberty and for ordered and ordered civil society. 184 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: And I see it unraveling, as do you, as do 185 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: most people, and I'm trying to figure out the best 186 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: ways to explain it, to address it to the broadest 187 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: possible audience that I possibly can. So for me radio writing, 188 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: Landmark Legal Foundation They're all part of the same effort. 189 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: And I'm just blessed to have such a smart audience 190 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: and such a wonderful, loyal audience. And no, I never 191 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 2: believe that I would have, you know, millions of people 192 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: listening to me talk about the Constitution and so forth. 193 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: But that's also why I take very seriously what I 194 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: do and don't take it for granted. 195 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: So I'm not shocked you have millions of people Mark 196 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: Levin's Our Guests. The book is The Liberty Amendments. I'm 197 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: not shocked you have millions of people who listen, because, 198 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: in addition to being very intellectually stimulating, there is no 199 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: one smarter on radio, and by which I mean intellectually 200 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: smarter nor capable of laying out an argument better than you. 201 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised you have millions there because you do 202 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: it in an entertaining and very comforting way. It's almost 203 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: Garrison Keeler. You tell stories. I am shocked and how 204 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: many people go and not only buy these books but 205 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: read them because they're listeners who email me and quote 206 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: from them. And they're not people with law degrees, they're 207 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: not people who've studied the law. They're citizens, who are 208 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: engaged to tell you that's that's a pretty powerful compliment 209 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: to you. 210 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: Well, it really is, and I really do you know. 211 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: When I do these book signings, I'll give you an example, 212 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: thousands of people show up last weekend in New York 213 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: and then New Jersey, and I'm doing another one in Virginia. 214 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: I try to treat everybody with respect because I know 215 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: they are serious people. They're very interested in their country, 216 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 2: They're very interested in knowing what's going on. And I 217 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: was told a long time ago, if you respect your audience, 218 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: your audience will respect you. And that's what I do 219 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: every single day. And they're just great. The emails I 220 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: get and the letters I get. People say things to me, 221 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: I really have to wonder they talking about me, and 222 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: they are. You know, you get the one percent nut 223 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: jobs on the left to give you trouble and so forth, 224 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: but they're so minor compared to the people who really 225 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: care about this country. And Michael, as you know, there 226 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: are millions and millions of people in this country who 227 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: are afraid for the future, who are frustrated about what's 228 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: going on. And I am I am as well, and 229 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: I'm trying to address what's concerning them, because it's concerning 230 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: me as. 231 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: Well, the Liberty Amendments. Mark Levin is our guest. Mark, 232 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: You and I get the same twenty four hours a day, 233 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: and yet you do a nationally syndicated show. You the 234 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: president of Landmark Legal Foundation. You're a family man, you 235 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: have other requirements, other obligations, and you still have time 236 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: to churn out not a simple book, but a book 237 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: that requires research. It requires sources and citations. When exactly 238 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: do you sit down? Russia said he'll never write ano 239 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: book because he doesn't have an iron butt. At what 240 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: point in your day? I'm curious to know. At what 241 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: point is it when you first wake up, is before 242 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: you go to bed? When do you actually write? 243 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: Well? You know what's interesting is I think about this 244 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: stuff endlessly, and I have a notepad with me all 245 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: the time, even in the car. I have it next 246 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: to my bed, and when I sit down and write 247 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: a book, I've thought through a lot of it and 248 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: I decide what I want to go after. But I 249 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: write middle of the night. I mean, I'm talking about 250 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: maybe ten to three in the morning. Sometimes I'll get 251 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: it at four if I have an idea, and I'll 252 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: be writing from five to seven or eight when I'm 253 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 2: writing a book all weekends, you know. So it's a 254 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: labor of love, but it is a labor. And so 255 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not walking around the malls or playing 256 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 2: this sport of that sport, or tending events of any kind. 257 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: I am just focused like a laser, and I cannot 258 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: get it out of my head until I've written it. 259 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 2: And then after I've written it, like now when I'm 260 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 2: talking about the Liberty Amendments, I can't stop trying to 261 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: persuade people, not that I'm a genius or that it's 262 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: one hundred percent my way or the highway, but to 263 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: start thinking about these things. So this is what I do. 264 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: You know, some people have other hobbies, some people have 265 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: other interests. This is what I do. 266 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: Thank god, you do. You're approaching hl Minkan status with 267 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: just what you've put on paper, not to mention what 268 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: you've spoken into the microphone. And you know, you tease me, Mark, 269 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: You tease me with the few book signings you're doing, 270 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: knowing good and well that my audience doesn't know how 271 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: many times you've turned me down to come down here 272 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: and do a book signing for us. 273 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: Wow, You're a great friend, and I just I can't 274 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: get all these places and at the same time do 275 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: my show. I'm not very good at doing my radio 276 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: show from a mobile site. I just am not very 277 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: good at it. And I really think first things first, 278 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: and the radio audience is my number one priority. 279 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Our listeners are going to buy the Liberty Amendments Restoring 280 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: the American Republic by Mark Levin. But I want to 281 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: ask you, as a man, if your constitutional your Constitution, 282 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: I imagine being like Ozzie Smith's glove, well worn and 283 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: exactly where you want it, and tabs and drawings and 284 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: words out to the side, and you know, all these 285 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: things like a marked up law school exam, but for 286 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: people that have never studied the law, for people that 287 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: may not have gone to college, but they now realize 288 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: this Constitution is important. It was such foresight, it's so powerful, 289 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: so beautiful, and they want want to start reading, they 290 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: want to start understanding. And maybe they've not heard your 291 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: show yet, the Mark Levin Show. How do they get 292 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: started reading and understanding a document that frankly is a 293 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: little inaccessible at first. 294 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: You know, this is going to sound like a setup 295 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: question to the audience, and a set up answer. It's 296 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: not the Liberty Amendments. I am focusing on parts of 297 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: the Constitution that I think have been so severely abused 298 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: and yet are so incredibly important. And I dig into 299 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: these sections of the Constitution, the Commerce Clause, the takings, 300 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: just giving examples, the powers of Congress, the Tenth Amendment, 301 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: and federalism and things like that. If you read this book, 302 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: it'll give you more than a good start, And if 303 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: you go to the notes at the back, it'll show 304 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: you original sources that people can have access to and 305 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: just can have a blast if they're into it the 306 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: way that I am. But this book is broken down 307 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: in ways where I already prioritize what I think we 308 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: need to do to restore our republic. And so I 309 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: would recommend you, know, you don't buy it, you go 310 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: to library and get it too. They have it, and 311 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: check it out, because Maritopia does some of this, but 312 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: it's a tougher book. It's political philosophy. Liberty and Tyranny 313 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: does some of this, but it's a book about conservatism 314 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: and non conservatism. As you know, Men in Black gets 315 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: into a little bit into the weeds with the respect 316 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court. But this book, the Liberty Amendments. 317 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: This book will provide. 318 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: That I think Mark Levin the Liberty Amendments. Mark, thanks 319 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: for what you do, thanks for who you are, and 320 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: thanks for being my friend and mentor. I appreciate you. 321 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: Listen to me, Michael. I love you, buddy, and you 322 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: do a great job. And keep it up. 323 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: Ranking take care and take care of I hate salent 324 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: Sean Handy, but take care of your health. 325 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: I'm working on a baby, all right, buddy. 326 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: If your life to Michael Berry Show in podcast, please 327 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a 328 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: nice review of our podcast. 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