WEBVTT - Part Two: Lakota Resistance to the American Empire 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:02.880 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.320 Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff, your 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.239 weekly reminder that people can do good things as well 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.920 as bad things. Sometimes they do the bad thing good 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.880 good things because bad things have happened. I'm your host, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.079 Margaret Kiljoy and with me as my guest is Miriam. 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.560 Hi. I'm Miriam. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.080 Miriam's one of our favorite guests. We don't have favorites, 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:35.120 but you're my favorite podcast to come on. Oh and 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.360 your favorite podcast to come on is produced by none 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:39.479 other than Sophie Lichterman. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.839 Heh yeah, that's me, Hi. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:49.600 And it is audio engineered by Ian Hi Ian Hian. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:51.920 We remember to do it this time. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.800 It's important to say hi to Ian. We almost forgot 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.520 last time, and then last episode had so much genocide 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:57.800 in it. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.880 Yep. Our theme music was written for us by Unwoman 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.760 and you can now find the theme song in full. 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.080 It's only about a minute and a half long on 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:11.640 on women's band camp. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:13.720 Un Woman is so good. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.440 I know. I was like, and people are like every 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.399 now and then people ask like, what's the deal with 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:20.920 the theme music? And I was like, I wanted something 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.640 that sounded really funny when contrasted to the shit I'm 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:24.559 going to be talking about. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.319 Can I tell you a true story about Unwoman that 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:29.520 makes me super happy? 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:30.360 Yes. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.760 A while ago, I was I was working in a 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.840 museum that incorporated a lot of like historical building, and 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.600 some ghost hunters came to like film a TV show 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.600 or something, and they were like skulking around the historical 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.680 building hunting ghosts. It was a it was a whole thing. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.520 But I was musing on like my social media about 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.600 how fun it would be to prank them, and this 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:59.920 ended up with Unwoman recording a ghostly like a ghost 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.880 the old timey version of Rick Astley's Never Going to 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:07.200 Give You Up, with the idea being that I would 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.880 conceal a small speaker somewhere to like draw the ghost 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:15.040 hunters to this like eerie, creepy music that when they 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.200 got very close they wit realize was Rick Astley's Never 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:22.040 Going to Give You Up, which I did not end 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.880 up doing because I think the ghost hunters were like 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:26.920 out of the building by the time this idea had 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.120 been hatched and this recording had been made. But Unwoman 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:30.160 is a fucking delight. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.800 Yeah, one of the first times I saw I'm not 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.560 on a woman for a while, but during the Oakland 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.920 General Strike of twenty eleven. There was on woman with 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.440 a cello performing for the people like locked to a bank. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.519 It was so good, got the fucking best. Yeah. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.640 So this is part two of our four part on 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:57.880 Lakota resistance to the American Empire. And this first week 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.560 we're talking mostly about the nineteenth century. Next week we're 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.120 gonna talk about the twentieth century. Mostly, there's a whole 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.160 there's so many centuries that happened in the past. Do 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.919 you know that there's many twenty of them. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:10.920 Century takes about a week in my experience. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.520 Yeah, that's true. God, i'd be so far into the 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.040 past anyway. Sometimes I think about, like how I haven't 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:22.800 even been doing the show for two years, but I'm like, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:24.840 it's so much stuff. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.280 Yeah, really, like you've covered a lot. Yeah, and you're 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.079 not going to run out. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.560 No, that's the other thing. I'm not worried. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.160 But what if you talk about all the cool people 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.560 who have ever happened, We'll just have to make some more. Well. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.520 It's like even like like one of the reasons you know, 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.720 I've been I've been intending to do this episode for 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.600 a long time because I specifically want to talk about 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.480 the American Indian movement because I've done so many things 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.520 about radical late sixties early seventies social movements in the 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.920 United States, and I'm like, I've gone through so many 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.760 and there's still so many more. Any American Indian movement 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.640 I knew I wanted to like really take my time 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:03.520 and like dig into. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.560 Yeah, I don't think. I don't think I've heard you 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.920 touch on it in any of your other episodes. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.960 Yea, not as much so, But that's not what we're 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:13.600 talking about this week where we're talking about that. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:14.360 That was a teaser. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:19.120 Yeah, we are talking about how the Black Hills is 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.160 about to be invaded by Custer and some other motherfuckers 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.800 because there's gold in it, and what a treatise matter 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.920 when there's gold and people? I love how people talk 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.640 about this like that's like a human condition, you know, 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:34.880 But like all of the Indigenous voices at the time 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.360 were like, what the fuck is wrong with these people? 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.800 Do they not know what an agreement is? We had 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.800 an agreement? Does that is that like a Do they 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.279 just not know what that word means? Like it's their word, 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:46.640 It's in English? 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:53.200 Right, this this whole treaty signing thing was something like, yeah, not. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:57.000 That people were like wildly perfect and peaceful and whatever, 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:02.600 you know, strange romanticization. People want to make it right. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.520 We're not like, you don't need to like make this 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.960 into an imaginary utopia to be like, it's pretty fucked 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.839 up to sign a treaty and then six years later 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.839 to be like, oh, we've just new information has come 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.080 to light which makes our promises trash. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:24.320 Yeah, totally turns out we were white, therefore we were 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.000 white people. The whole toxes are actually trash. It's really 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:34.839 on you for not recognizing that. Oh god. Uh So 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.960 there are two kinds of officers in the US Army 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.719 at this time. There's guys like Custer who are just 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.960 rotten to their fucking core, right, and then there are 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.760 these like high minded noble guys who have complicated feelings 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.440 about it all and want to be gentlemanly, improper and 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.840 polite and even want to respect the treaties. But orders 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:05.000 are orders. The guy in charge of this campaign, General 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:11.719 George Crook, he's in the latter camp. This is not better. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.640 Yeah, I was gonna say, if the end result is massacres, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.240 I don't really care how bad the person doing it 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.040 feels about it. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.440 Doing what you know to be wrong? Is it better 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.400 than doing wrong because you think it's right, it might 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:30.440 be wor parguably worse. Yeah, yeah, And like look there's 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:35.000 scales of that, right, Like, we all participate in capitalism 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.159 and we know it's bad, you know, And so I 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.760 think everyone knowing that it's bad is a good step, right, 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.320 But when you're talking about the kinds of crimes that 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.640 this man is going to directly oversee, like now, fuck him. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.279 So he gave this famous answer. He was asked basically, 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.599 he's like, is it hard for you to gear up 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.239 to go to another Indian? And his quote is, yes, 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.800 it is hard, But sir, the hardest thing is to 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:10.440 go and fight those whom you know are in the right. Oh, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:15.440 if only there were an alternative. Yeah, that's the military. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.080 That's that's lawful neutral right there, you know, which is 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.360 the same as lawful evil. Because lawful evil. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.280 You I believe you have an essay called lawful Ain't Good, 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.280 which I quote at at times in gaming circles. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.320 Yeah, my theory is that there's only eight h eight 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.600 alignments because lawful good is a contradiction. It makes me 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:36.760 really popular. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.880 And yeah, you can tell we had cool childhoods. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.520 Absolutely. We didn't meet on a steampunk convention. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.200 We didn't. We met in the parking lot of a 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:48.200 steampunk convention. 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.600 That's right where Miriam was dressed up as steampunk im 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.320 a goldman giving a pretty good labor speech. 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:55.640 Thank you. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.840 Uh did you know that I got in trouble with 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:02.239 the operator of that steampunk convention because I got people 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.560 riled up about the fact that he was holding conventions 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.120 at non union hotels. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.560 Hell yeah, hell, yeah, good, which is to say, no 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:15.320 matter what culture or subculture you're in, you can do 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:16.200 fun things with it. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.520 Hey, you can function up anywhere. People won't stop you. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.320 That's not true. People will try to stop you. Yeah, 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.120 but you can function up anywhere. Yeah. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:29.400 You know, crime is legal. You can just do anything 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:34.440 you want sort of all right, So neither of us 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:40.480 are lawyers. Yeah, that's right, but we are your lawyer anyway. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.640 In the Black Hills, all sorts of bands and tribes 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.640 and folks are gathering forces to unite against this invasion 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.439 that they know is coming. White historians call it the 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.800 largest gathering of Nati American people in history. Up to 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.840 that point. Indigenous scholars are like, no, we've had bigger 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:58.400 you just weren't around. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:59.360 People were gathering. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:05.040 Yeah, Sitting Bowl had a vision of blue jacketed soldiers 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.520 falling from the sky into his camp. Sometimes I see 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.560 it phrase as like like grasshoppers and and so he's like, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.040 this is this is coming. So the indigenous rebels they attack. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.720 Which the like grasshoppers. That's like a image of like 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.120 and of like a devastation, right, because these those like 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.200 grasshoppers swamps that would fall out of the sky would 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:29.640 like eat everything. Yeah, No, that makes sense, leave bare 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:30.680 ground in their wake. 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:37.120 Yeah, which is pretty fucking accurate. What happens. So the 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.360 indigenous rebels attack the invaders, and there are several successful battles. Uh. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.920 The one that's in the history books is called the 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.079 Battle of Greasy Grass, only it's not under in history books. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.880 Under that name. There's a river that the Lakota called 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:57.280 Greasy Grass, the Americans call Little Big Horn. This is 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:03.120 the battle on Yeah, this is the single greatest victory 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.079 in the Indian Wars for the good guy side. Arman 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.800 Custer is in charge of the seventh Cavalry and he 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.760 sees this huge indigenous village and He's like, fuck yeah, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.680 let's go kidnap everyone there. Let's just like like fuck 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.079 it up. You know, We'll like we're like going to 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.480 kidnap everyone, and then we'll take all the non combat 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.319 and hostages and force their warriors to surrender. And also 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.600 he's a mass rapist and I'll talk about that more later, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.000 and this would have been a massacre. He's like, let's 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.040 go massacre this village basically, and the rest of the 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.240 army was like, hey, Custer, you should lay wait for 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.640 everyone else. And Custer's like, whatever, man, I got this shit. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:38.960 Fuck you dad. You know. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.720 Awesome, I mean, not awesome what he wanted to do, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.800 but like awesome that he didn't wait for backups. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.480 Oh yeah, absolutely. It's the same fucking thing that Fetterman 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.400 did a fun like, yeah, he had a bunch of 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.800 orders like don't leave the group and don't whatever you do, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.200 don't go over this hill, and he's just like butt 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.720 their butts. I can see their butts. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:06.080 I mean, and I mean Fetterman even Mors was like, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.240 I only need like eighty guys, like don't even send 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.040 me more guys. And the American Army in this case 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.200 is like Custer we are literally sending you more guys, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.600 and he's like, but I want to do murder now. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.600 Yeah, like it's getting dark. I don't know what time 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.280 of day it was. He had crow scouts with him, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.560 and the crow were on the US side during most 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.160 of this because two generations prior to the Lakota kicked 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:29.920 them out of where they were living, so they're kind 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.200 of mad, you know. And one of his crow scouts 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.640 is a guy named half yellow Face who was like, Yo, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.679 Custer as a bad call, you shouldn't do that. Specifically, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.839 he said, you and I are going home today by 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:47.640 a road we do not know, and. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.560 That is a very very cool way to try to 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.720 advise your shitty boss not to do this shitty thing. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.480 We're gonna die if we do that. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.640 Yeah, maybe that was the problem. Maybe he was a 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.559 little to a little too flowery in his language. I know, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.040 it was the nineteenth century, you know, but maybe Coster 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.160 wasn't quite literate enough for that metaphor and he needed 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.120 a like, yeah, you're gonna. 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:15.199 Die real hard. Yeah, he wouldn't have listened. He was 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.520 an no, he absolute would not have listened. And so 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.360 they just wildly underestimated the numbers and the prowess of 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:27.120 indigenous warriors, and the seventh Cavalry was wiped out. Custer 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.320 had his last stand, and he did what he should 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.760 have done way earlier, which is die. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:33.240 Yeah. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.040 No one knows exactly how his day went. There's lots 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.679 of stories around it, but no one knows exactly because 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.160 all of his buddies also died. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.280 Right because he The thing about getting all your buddies 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.920 killed is there's no one left on your side to 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.040 tell you the story of how cool you looked when 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.080 you died, and it's yeah, and everyone's just gonna be like, yeah, 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.120 probably pissed his pants. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.800 Yeah. That guy he got shot in the chest. He 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.400 also had a bullet and his skull that was probably 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.040 after he died. That was probably alike. Let's just fucking ma, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.520 this is Custer. We should work and make you want 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.440 to make sure. Yeah, so died the man that Vine 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:20.800 Deloria Junior called the iikemen of the planes because he 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.560 was following a policy of genocide from his higher ups. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.760 General Sherman wrote, quote, we must act with vindictive earnestness 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.000 against the Sioux, even to their extermination men, women and children. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.200 During an assault the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.240 male and female, or even to discriminate against age. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.120 Sounds sounds about right. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:49.520 Yeah. Custer was also a serial rapist of indigenous women, 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.000 by all accounts, including the accounts of his own men. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.880 They didn't phrase it that way, but they described it, 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.600 so it makes it extra nice that the Cheyenn account 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:00.280 of the battle. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.959 Yeah, I was one thing. You promised me three wounds. 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:05.760 I've heard about two. I would like to hear about 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.360 the other way Custer died, please. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.840 Shayanne account of the battle says that it was a 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.360 woman named Buffalo calf road woman who knocked him off 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:18.600 his horse before he died. Fuck yeah, And she absolutely 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.880 was present in the battle. You know, she fought as 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.840 alongside her. Her husband, Black Coyote, fought alongside her in 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:31.520 that battle. Also, they brought war journalists with them while 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.280 they were like let's go massacre. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.600 These people, like like. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.440 An Associated Press guy was just with them, just like to. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.240 Let everyone know how how well this was going. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.960 Yeah, he died too. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.560 I a thing that I heard, and this is something 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.160 I like learned very recently. I don't know if you 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.760 if you also learned this in your research was that 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.680 the women present at the battle level little big Horn 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:06.360 stab Custers through like once he had been killed, stabbed him, 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.720 I think, like through the ear drums with their needles, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.160 saying like like you will like basically next time you'll 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:18.920 listen good something like that, or you like you will listen, 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.440 you'll like you will hear us. Basically I could be 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:23.960 totally butchering that story. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.080 No, I mean good, and like you know, there's a 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.680 lot of accounts of the battle, but I have no 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:33.040 reason to no particular reason to doubt the Shian versions 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.640 or other versions of it. Like, and there's like all 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.920 these things that people tried to be like he died nobly. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.360 He didn't. He just wrote off to go get murdered, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:44.440 and he got him murdered. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.960 Just losing real heart sometimes gets romanticized as dying nobly, 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.280 like you know, have like that like that poem where 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.000 the guys on horses ride against tanks in the Crimean 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.400 war whatever, and it's like it's not necessarily heroic to 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.880 lose real heart, Like sometimes you're just sometimes you're just 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.960 Custer and you just suck and you die real hard. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:11.320 Yeah, Dilate he lived shitty. Another guy who fought in 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.320 that battle is a man named Black Elk, who's most 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.760 famous these days for his book Black Elk Speaks, which 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.240 was hugely influential on me when I was like a 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:24.479 baby anarchist, and he's gonna he's sort of a background 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.840 guy through a lot of this stuff. No good deed 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.800 goes unpunished, and the reprisals from the destruction of a 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.800 serial rapist genocider continue to this day. America has not 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.000 gotten over the fact that some lady fucking killed a 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:39.760 rapist who didn't consider her human. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.120 A rapist who didn't consider her human, who nobody on 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.760 the American side particularly liked anyway. Yeah, Like everybody was like, man, 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:50.640 that guy's a real piece of shit, and then some 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.520 indigenous people kill him and were like, hey, that was 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:54.360 our piece of shit. 0:16:54.760 --> 0:17:00.760 Yeah. Yeah. Basically, so, the US more or less declares 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.840 the eighteen sixty eight Treaty, which they've already broken the 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.159 shit out of, invalid, and they were like, but we 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.480 want to do it sort of paperworky. So they demand 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.560 that the reservation give up the Black Hills and a 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.040 ton of other land, all with like right of way 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.680 through everything for roads and shit. Anyone who doesn't agree. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:22.080 Can fucking starve Red Cloud was forced to sign, as 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:26.720 were the other chiefs who weren't at war, and twenty 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.439 two point eight million acres were seated, which is a 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.639 third of the total, but the best third of this 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.199 particular reservation, and the remaining folks are forced to live 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.719 in like clearcut areas and places that have already been 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:44.359 resource extracted. There's absolutely no way that this could be legal. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.399 Three quarters of the men could not have signed this 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.040 agreement because they didn't show up, because they were at. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.960 War, right, because they were actively fighting to defend that land. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.439 Right, and the signatures that do appear were coerced at gunpoint. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.320 But laws only a cudgel in the hands of the powerful, 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.919 and it's never been anything but that. Sitting Bowl and 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.440 some other war chiefs and their warriors retreated north into Canada, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.520 while Crazy Horse, Heat Dog, Little Big Man, Iron Crow 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:12.119 and a few of the other war chiefs. In the end, 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:18.439 they decided to surrender. Basically, they were like, like, I suspect. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.520 It wasn't like I'm a die if I don't surrender. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.760 It was like all my people are going to die. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.560 The people that I'm responsible for. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.080 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And they were promised that they could 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.879 live like on good hunting reservations and shit if they 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:31.680 would just surrender. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:38.199 And we've definitely got reason to trust those promises at 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:38.760 this point. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.280 As soon as they show up to surrender in Nebraska, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.200 the US pretended like they had never made the offer, 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:44.600 of course. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.680 I mean, and I can understand, like why you would. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:48.679 I mean, that's like that was the only thing on 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:49.560 the table, right. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.320 Absolutely, yeah, because again it wasn't just for them, it 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.840 was for the people that they're responsible for. And Crazy 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.280 Horse spent four months living in like sort of captivity 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.840 on a reservation and then he was arrested. He tried 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.280 to resist and he was stabbed to death with bayonets. 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:11.359 There's a lot of versions of how he died. I 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.320 don't have a specific really reason to believe any of 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.480 Them's a lot of arguing about it, So I'm just 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.040 going to go with he tried to resist and he 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:20.720 was stabbed to death bayonets. 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.919 I mean, even whatever, whatever the particular account of his 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.760 death is, he tried to resist and was murdered by 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.439 the US army seems to sum it up. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.680 Yeah. Spotted Tail, one of the war leaders who'd signed 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.480 away the Black Hills. He's living large, he has a 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.560 three story house, and he starts demanding, well, he's been 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.160 demanding tribut because it's chief, but he starts demanding tribute 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.000 that of his subordinates. That is like, as far as 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.800 I can tell, new and not part of tradition. He 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.679 starts demanding women, sometimes including I believe married women, but 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:57.840 I'm not certain. But so his cousin crow Dog was like, 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.359 you know what, I'm gonna fucking kill you and then 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.280 killed him. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.440 Okay, yeah. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.280 That is one of the three motives that has been 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:12.399 presented for crow Dogs killing of Spotted Tail. The another 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:14.919 is an argument over like a specific one of the 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:16.919 women who has taken a tribute, which might have been 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.040 Crowdog's family. Another is that crow Dog was like doing 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.439 the US's dirty work to break up the power of 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:26.320 the chiefs by killing Spotted Tail. I find the first 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:32.760 argument most convincing, and the historians that I've read, who, yeah, 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:34.960 I find it most convincing that it was like you 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.200 have fucking you're a cellar piece of shit. You gotta 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:38.600 fucking go. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.240 It doesn't I mean, one one of the one of 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.639 the many terrible things about state repression is that it 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.679 turns any internal conflict into like somebody doing the dirty 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.440 work of the state, right. 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:54.200 Like totally. 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.080 And like which you know it's it's that you made 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.879 a convincing case that this that Krownok got a legitimate 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.359 grievance and reason to kill this guy. Yeah, and without 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.880 the US government being behind that. 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.879 Yeah, but you know what the US government also is 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:17.080 behind isn't behind our ads? 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