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Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm happy to be here. Your boy is

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Speaker 1: first question, Luke, which scenario brings you more physical pain?

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Speaker 1: it whatsoever, not a drop of truth. So if you

427
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Speaker 1: don't want to use, don't use. Man Like, I'm not

428
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: against it. You guys have asked me about TRT. I'm

429
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: certainly curious about it. I probably will it's point, but

430
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: I'm I'll be forty two in a few weeks, so

431
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: forty one forty two. I've never used. I've done everything

432
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: GenZ has and I've been tempted, but I've never used

433
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: it because it's never really interested me to you know,

434
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: it's another thing that I would have to manage. I

435
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: don't really want to worry about. But like, there are

436
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: people who are gonna be real interested in that, who

437
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: are gonna want to do that. And if they are

438
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: into it and I am into it, and they know

439
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: the risks and I understand the risks, and they have

440
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: biomarkers for health that are measured, I would love to

441
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: hear the argument about why you shouldn't allow that. I

442
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: would love I would love to hear it. I would Oh,

443
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: it would ruin sports, really, because we got these sports

444
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: over here, and all it's done is make them a

445
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: fucked onne better. It's it's it's just all lies. It's propaganda,

446
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: starting from nineteen sixty eight when they were testing for

447
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: amphetamines and cycling. It started the same year that Richard

448
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: Nixon started the War on drugs. It's just lies. It's

449
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: just lies. So you know, you can have these conversations

450
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: about what the best kind of antidoping is and what

451
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: are ways to cheat the system and blah blah blah,

452
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: but it really just comes down to the idea is

453
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: do drugs ruin sports? Only if you scandalize them? Yeah,

454
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: I guess they would. If you buy definition make them bad,

455
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: then yeah, their existence is bad. But if you realize

456
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: that there's a variety of ways in which sports can

457
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: approach drugs, some not at all, some plenty, whatever, you

458
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: begin to realize that it's not bad for sports at all.

459
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: It's not for everybody, that's true. But it ruins sports, No,

460
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't. That's a complete lie. But the last thing

461
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: I'll say about that is I just don't think people

462
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: are ready to have that conversation just yet. I think

463
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: there's a shitload of denial about drugs and sports drugs.

464
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 1: I know this is going to sound crazy, not in

465
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: every case, but I think in a lot of cases,

466
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: drugs make sports better. So you have consenting adults who

467
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. You could have a regulatory mechanism.

468
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: You don't even have to have that, but you can

469
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: have regulatory mechanism to monitor health and other by workers. Uh.

470
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: And I'm supposed to say I don't want that? Why

471
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: Why would I not want that? I don't I watch

472
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: sports where people openly use it. You know what?

473
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: How?

474
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: You know what? What lesson I've taken from that, It's

475
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: fucking great. It's great. Love It got no problem with it.

476
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: Love love. The ones who don't too, those are those

477
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: are you know telling you man, you should look up

478
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 1: some of the powerlifting number some like youth lifters who

479
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: are in tested federations. Again, you never know one hundred

480
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: percent clean. It's it's it's a phenomenal. Like there's plenty

481
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: of room for people to enjoy all the different kinds

482
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: of sports that you get. But this idea that prohibition

483
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: is the answer because drugs and sports are bad. Really

484
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: is alcohol bad in all cases? I mean, yeah, and

485
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: many it is, and many it's really not. So I

486
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: just I'm I'm I'm not really interested in like debating

487
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: or you know, having a conversation so much about like

488
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: you Sada's weak points. It's to me, the whole form

489
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: around what relationships sports should have to drugs. The conversation

490
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: to me is totally phony. Is mired in nineteen eighties

491
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: Nancy Reagan say no to drugs, reefer madness that I

492
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how to convince someone that

493
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: who's who's who's living in under that kind of existential awareness.

494
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how to convince them that.

495
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't know what to say

496
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: to that person. I don't know what to say I

497
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: just tend to think it's gonna have to be generational.

498
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: And by the way, over time, you're gonna get genetic

499
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: manipulation where drugs may not even be the issue any longer.

500
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: And we were gonna have this brave new world of

501
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: either a crisper or some subsequent technology where gene manipulation,

502
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: when it's better understood, I think, will be frequent in

503
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: common and done in utero and everything. And this kind

504
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: of like ludite sense that drugs are bad for sports.

505
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: I think that will eventually go away. But until such

506
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: a time in which it's just forced on people, they

507
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: want to labor under the delusion that that prohibition is

508
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: the only answer. It's the only answer if you want

509
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: it to be the only answer. It's not the only answer.

510
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: How do you keep an open mind while conversing with

511
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: someone or reading opinions that may conflict with your own worldview?

512
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: How often do you find that you change your mind

513
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: or learn something new when doing so? Really, it's I

514
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: don't know that I do it all that well. I

515
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: certainly make an attempt at it. How do you oh Jesus, yeah,

516
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna let go to a message

517
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: A couple of things. So, like one, it may take

518
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: repeated exposure. I think that's the first thing. It's rare

519
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: that like the first time you hear something that challenges

520
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: your worldview, that you begin to that you begin to, oh, wow,

521
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: I really shook my the core of my beliefs. I mean,

522
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: in general, it takes I think, prolonged exposure to something,

523
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: and even that is no guarantee. So the first thing

524
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: I would say is I try to get not just

525
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, an article here or an article there. I

526
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: try to find pipelines where it's a steady feed. And

527
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: what you find is the steady feed. Like let's take,

528
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: for example, I mean right now, let's take let's take

529
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: early to mid pandemic, right and everyone was just killing Florida,

530
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: including me. Early now, the current numbers may say something

531
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but we're talking early to mid pandemic.

532
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: Florida was taking a beating, and the numbers at the

533
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: time they simply did not match reality. And then there

534
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: was this whole whistleblower lady who is saying that they

535
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: the state's numbers were not to be trusted, and the

536
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: Gestapo was coming in and taking her computers. And then

537
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: you come to find out through the reporting of Charles W.

538
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: Cook Over at National Review that you know, she was

539
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: an inveterate liar who simply could not be trusted. But

540
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: he was beating the drum all along for that. So

541
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: I saw pockets of it, and then it just kind

542
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: of began to snowball. This is what I mean. It's

543
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: less about book or article or story. It's more about

544
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: like trying to find pipelines where you begin to get

545
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: just alternate streams of information, and a lot of it

546
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't agree with, But that was one where it

547
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: was like, uh, you know, I think a reckoning on

548
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: this is probably due. How often do you find that

549
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: you change your mind to learn something new when doing so?

550
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what the rate would be, but probably

551
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: a little more commonly than you might imagine. Yeah, I

552
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: think that's what I would say. I think that's the

553
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: one thing I would offer there. I was looking up

554
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: some of you old UFC promos the other day and

555
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: came across one of my favorites that was for Nick

556
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: Diaz versus Anderson Silva. If you've not seen it as

557
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: Diaz walking back and forth while walls crumble around him

558
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: to reveal he's inside an octagon as the song ratt

559
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: in the cage plays. Yes, they also did itsy Bitsy

560
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: Spider with that, but like a like a Goth version.

561
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: Do yourself have standout UFC promos that rememorable? I can.

562
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: I can name more Pride ones than I can UFC.

563
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: If you've never seen the old Pride Open Weight Grand

564
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: Prix when they had all the sperm cells swimming on

565
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: the poster, I mean that is fucking epic. DC versus

566
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: Jones two promo was fantastic. Yes, it was. What did

567
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: you think of the hold a second? I need to

568
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: see something here, you guys. Let me let me give

569
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: you a word of advice. If you are are thinking

570
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: about traveling at some point and you need to get

571
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: a passport, you're in trouble. You're in trouble. They COVID

572
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: has fucked everything, including but not limited to the capacity

573
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: of the United States government to issue passports in a

574
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: timely manner.

575
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: Oh GW yeah.

576
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: Okay, and I I contacted my congressman to help me

577
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: because I saw on forums that was the thing you

578
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: should do. She responded and said that she would try,

579
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping for a call they're telling me that

580
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: my passport is ready. I sent it in fucking six

581
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: weeks ago, expedited because I'm leaving. I'm supposed to be

582
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: leaving on in August and for vacation, and I still

583
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: haven't gotten it back yet. So I'm a little bit concerned,

584
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: and they are. They put out an advisory a few

585
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I had already sent my stuff in, but

586
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: they put it an advisory few weeks ago, saying, like,

587
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, normally if you do expedited processing, it takes

588
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: total two to four, maybe six weeks at most. Now

589
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: it's like well to eighteen for expedite it. Forget like

590
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: if you're just a regular dog, fucking forget it. So

591
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I was wondering if that was a call from a

592
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: passport agency. But I don't think that it is. All right.

593
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: What'd you think of the twenty ten Predator movie. Usually

594
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm not on board with Adrian Brody acting like a

595
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: tough guy, but I actually really liked that version. I

596
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: thought that was great, And I think the movie was

597
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: called Predators Predators, can't remember exactly the name of it.

598
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: It was like a if you guys haven't seen it,

599
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: there's the basic plot is that a bunch of tough

600
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: guys from all different walks of life. Whether you're like

601
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: a cartel enforcer, you work for the yakuza, you're like

602
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: a crazy sociopath, you're a fucking mercenary. Whoever they get.

603
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: They wake up and they're flying through the air, dropped

604
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: out of the middle of nowhere, and then they land

605
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: in this place and they don't recognize it and they

606
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: have to fight their way out and it's filled with predators.

607
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was a I actually thought they

608
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: did a great job with it. I actually thought that

609
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: that was like better than any of the other Predator

610
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: sequels by far, Predator too. I don't care what anybody says.

611
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: That movie sucked, super sucked. The most recent one, which

612
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: was I think Shane Black had written it was not

613
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: good either, and he obviously was part of the original Predator. Yeah.

614
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: I actually think that that's like a very underrated movie.

615
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: And if you've not seen it, I know I'm with

616
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: you on Like Adrian Rody, the guy from the Pianist,

617
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: like that fucking guy, dude, he does a good job.

618
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: He does a good job. And by the way, there's

619
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: an Mima connection to it because one of the Chechen

620
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: gunners that they send in there was played by Oleg Taktaroff,

621
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: the Great Oleg Taktaroff. So so yeah, check that out

622
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: if you've not seen it. It's it's fun. It's a

623
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: good movie. Luke, what's your Olympic combat sports? Are you

624
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: looking forward to the most, if any at all? Karate?

625
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 1: I'll I'll probably take a look, but I don't really

626
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: care all that much. Judo obviously, and wrestling are going

627
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: to be number ones or co one A, one B

628
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: and then uh for sure. My number one though, is

629
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: not even though it's gonna be Olympic weightlifting. Dude, I've

630
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: been telling you guys about Lasha Tellahadzi, the guy out

631
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: of Georgia. I mean, let me explain something to you, bamas.

632
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: Everyone else at super heavyweight is fighting for silver. It ain'ty.

633
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: They're not even close to this guy. Generational talent, the

634
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: first he's he basically at this point, at least unofficially

635
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: holds all the records, and it holds some records officially,

636
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: but for his his his his training lifts are all

637
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: world records. I mean they don't count because it's training lift,

638
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Speaker 1: but you know they're documented on tape. He's the first

639
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: guy who could plausibly have a five hundred kilo total,

640
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: which is like, you know that you can just snatch

641
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 1: basically six hundred pounds over your head, is in one

642
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: in one, essentially continuous motion. I mean, it's just it's unfathomable.

643
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: How fucking amazing he is. Luke. I recall in a

644
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: previous live chat you briefly spoke about the Tow of

645
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Jit Kundo and stated that Bruce Lee isn't the father

646
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Speaker 1: of MMA as others have claimed. I was hoping you

647
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: could elaborate on that and give us your opinion on

648
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee's legacy when it comes to martial arts in general. Thanks,

649
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: and keep it the good work. I've read the Tow

650
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: of Jit Kundo. I own it. I've read it several times. Listen.

651
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: I would say a couple things like what's Bruce Lee's legacy? One,

652
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: I would say that his popularization in America of the

653
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: martial arts and his ability to get people to accept

654
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: it at a time when they might not have been

655
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: ready for that kind of entertainment was more than commendable,

656
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: incredibly important, playing a role an Asian role model in

657
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: the seventies. Is you know, an a leading man is

658
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: a feat in itself. I think people want to underplay that.

659
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: It's pretty fucking big. Actually, that's the first thing I

660
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: would say. I think The second thing I would say is,

661
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: I do think think he had some uniquely interesting ideas.

662
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: He did have ideas about openness to other forms of training.

663
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: He did have ideas about, you know, if it works,

664
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: go with it, kind of a thing which you might

665
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: feel like set the groundwork for what MMA eventually became.

666
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: And it's true that there is some like mindedness. But

667
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: the reason why you can't call him that is it's

668
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: not that it's It's not true that the ideas he

669
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: laid out planted seeds within martial arts, which then grew

670
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: the game. In fact, I don't think it had any

671
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: real impact on that whatsoever. I mean, g Kundo still

672
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: tried to be a styleless style, and it still ended

673
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: up being a bit of a style. Its styles are

674
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: hard to get away from. It's hard to get away

675
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: from compartmentalized skill sets. The truth about the growth of

676
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: MMA is you could make a connection to what the

677
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Japanese are doing with shoot fighting even prior to the gracies,

678
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: But let's just sort of take what the gracies did

679
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: here in modern America or you know, jiu jitsu became

680
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: very popular, and so everyone thought that was the style

681
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: until you realized over time, here comes Maurice Smith and

682
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: he can fight wrestlers. And you know, obviously wrestlers like

683
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Dan severn and and Mark Coleman and Don Frye and

684
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: many others came along, and so they sort of set

685
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: the bar for athleticism and what those could offer. And

686
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: then and then Marie Smith comes along and shows you

687
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: that there's another way to look at it. And so

688
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: there were these iterative moments through the course of NHB

689
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: is what it was called originally, you know, initially through

690
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: UFC to what eventually became MMA. But like they did

691
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: that all independently of any insights in the Tao of

692
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: jet Kundo, and in fact, he doesn't exactly explicitly recommend

693
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: certain things that actually would have been required along the way.

694
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: So like he did have insights in thinking through some

695
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: of these problems about the narrowness of stylistic adherents. I

696
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: think that is true. But when the in terms of

697
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: tracing the events that led to where we are today

698
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: is it true that the Taoojcundo is like our Bible,

699
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: that the work he did foundationally led to the exercise,

700
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: exercises and events that culminating where we are in twenty

701
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: twenty one. No, it's just flatly not true. I think,

702
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: you know, the House of Bruce Lee is happy to

703
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: make that claim because it makes Bruce relevant today in

704
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: a way that he otherwise would not have been. And

705
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: UFC is happy to do it because then you get

706
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: to have your relationship tied to this iconic figure. But

707
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: historically that would be a very inaccurate thing to say.

708
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: It's simply not true that he's like the father of Mma.

709
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: He is I think one of the first, you know,

710
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: progenitors of a style that was much less narrow minded.

711
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: For sure, he for sure realized that having an open

712
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: attitude about training was critically important. Okay, that is no

713
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: small that is no small feat. But it did not

714
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: lead to what we have. And even then, there are

715
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: some meaningful differences with what he was prescribing. Which promotion

716
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: do you feel is the most fighter friendly?

717
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: None of them.

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00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: There are lots of things that promotions do in service

719
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: of the fighter. It's not to say that they're all

720
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: anti fighter. I don't mean in that way, but like,

721
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, what does it mean to be fighter friendly?

722
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: If you're a bellator, you're giving nearly fifty percent of

723
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: your revenue, but even that doesn't match a lot of

724
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: the purses that UFC gives. Okay, is that fighter friendly?

725
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: I guess it is. But in real world terms, would

726
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: you rather have the friendliness of a high level UFC

727
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: purse or bellator purse? So there's that. You know, PFL

728
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: is very fighter friendly and accommodating, but at the same

729
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: time they got sued for numerous delays to their schedule

730
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: by virtue of COVID and everything else. Are they the

731
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: most fighter friendly? Like, dude, a promotion is going to

732
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: have not a completely different set but a widely different

733
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: set of values and interests and goals than fighters will.

734
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: In fact, they're going to be in many ways at

735
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: odds with one another. So like when you're asking me

736
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: which one is the most fighter friendly, it's like, I

737
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, which dangerous activity is the least dangerous.

738
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you could pick out a couple, but like

739
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: there's still going to be what they are, So I

740
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't really think of it that way, And I don't

741
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: want to take away from real steps that a promotion

742
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: might do or take to make the lives of their

743
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: fighters better. Those are real, they count. But at the

744
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: end of the day, like the question is not which

745
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: promotion is fighter friendly? The question is which which day

746
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: or year is it going to be when there's a

747
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: union or some kind of collective action. So that we

748
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: don't even have to ask this question anymore, it's just

749
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: asking for like which which you know, which charity is

750
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 1: the most giving? Well, maybe instead of charity, we should

751
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: have an arranged set of policies so that we're not

752
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: as reliant upon the largess and generosity of folks. We

753
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: can have a more coordinated plan to tackle our interests.

754
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 1: Fan submission suggestion MK viewers terrible tattoos attacked by Luken

755
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: defended by BC. I'll go out on a limb and

756
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: say there are thousands of bad tatts among us. No,

757
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to beat up too much on the Listen,

758
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: I got bad tattoos too, you know what I mean? Like,

759
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: let he who's without sending cast the first time and

760
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm too embarrassed to show him, So I'm not gonna

761
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: and then they get I'm gonna get a couple of

762
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: them covered up and just be done with it. But

763
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: you know I had to make mistakes along the way too,

764
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: So let's let's you know, if someone has a big

765
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: ass tattoo and BC asks me, are right, fine, I'll

766
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: do it, but you know I don't want to make

767
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: it a mission necessarily. Is that a point of content?

768
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: Would you consider joining a podcast with Chuck Mindenhall in

769
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: aerial like the old days of the MMA beat, No

770
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: favorite Tony Ferguson the type of guy I like. I

771
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: love Chuck, but no, I don't think that those Ferguson,

772
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: those Ferguson type of guy jokes are like the new

773
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Chuck Norris jokes. You know what I mean? Like, Oh,

774
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: when Chuck Norris sees the American flag, the American flag

775
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: salutes him, it's like, okay, you're five years old, all right,

776
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: y'all keep asking me about aerel. Listen. I wish him

777
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: the best. I mean that, sincerely, I don't even It's

778
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: not that I don't care. I am not focused at

779
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: all on and I mean this. I mean this so sincerely,

780
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: if you guys didn't ask himut it, I would never

781
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: talk about it. He's got his own thing going on.

782
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: He's doing super well. People love him. I'm not concerned

783
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: with any of that. I've got my own thing going on.

784
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of what i have going on. I'm

785
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: very excited about what I have going on. It makes

786
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: zero sense for me to focus on anything else at

787
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: this point in my career. I'm forty one, I'm forty two.

788
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: I don't think I have all the time in the world.

789
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: I lost a bunch of years, you know, and it

790
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: is what it is. But right now, I've got a

791
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: great thing, and it would be stupid of me to

792
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: do anything other than just to focus on how we

793
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: can make that as good as possible. And that's the

794
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: end of it. Luke, were there any cultural differences that

795
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: made it difficult for you and your wife at times

796
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: throughout your relationship? Yeah? Sure, Sometimes, like transliteration can be

797
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: a problem, Like in Colombia, if someone says something disagreeable,

798
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: a lot of times the other person is not accusing

799
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: them of lying, but they'll be like Mendidas, you know

800
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: what I mean, like lies, but they're not saying that

801
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: the person's actually lying, They're just saying that, like that's

802
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: not true. And so sometimes my wife would be like,

803
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: you're lying, and I'm like, okay, I'm literally not lying.

804
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: You can disagree with me, but I'm actually not in

805
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: any way lying whatsoever. And it took me a while

806
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: to realize. I took I had to hear a lot

807
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: of conversations in Spanish and how they would go back

808
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: and forth, and then I began to hear how they

809
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: would accuse each other of lying, and then I was like, oh, okay,

810
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: that's why they say that. So that was that was

811
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: a big one. A lot of it has to deal

812
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: with like verbal communication and talking. I like to talk

813
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: with my hands a lot, Like I do this, you

814
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: know kind of shit that's considered fucking rude there, man,

815
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: like doing this number, like you know, it's considered super

816
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: super super super super rude, at least at least among

817
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: my wife and her family. And there's been some other

818
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: stuff related to that to like, and there's other stuff

819
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: it's not so much cultural, but like, you know, Columbia's

820
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: having some problems now with COVID and you've seen all

821
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: the protests that have happened there. But like, let's go

822
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: back a couple of years when that was really not

823
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: the case. Columbia had made massive masks. Dude. When I was,

824
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, in elementary school or middle school, Columbia was

825
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: like that close to being a failed state. Man, Like

826
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: it was fucking bad. But you know, through twenty eighteen.

827
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: I think twenty nineteen was the last time I was there.

828
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's a completely different universe. I'm hoping to

829
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: go uh soon and see what it's like now. But

830
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: the point being is when you get down there, there's

831
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: just tons of little differences about, you know, things you

832
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: can do or say or and also like the jokes

833
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: about like escobar and coke and stuff. They don't get

834
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: sized for that at all. And I never did that,

835
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: but like people who I would be friends with would

836
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: like meet my wife and make jokes about it. And

837
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: I've said this to you guys before. Man, let me

838
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: explain something to you. So anyone who is let's say

839
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: forty and younger, right, and order than that too, but

840
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: you know, let's say fifty and younger. How about that? No,

841
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: not quite, that's not about you. Oh sorry, what am

842
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: I saying? Someone Let's say thirty five, forty and older right?

843
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: My generation ish and then above let me explain something

844
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: to you, folks. Every one of them, every one of

845
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: them has somebody they know either directly related, wife, husband, child, father, mother, cousin, whatever,

846
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: who has died, maimed in some kind of thing, or

847
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: been captured or kidnapped period. All of them. Friend of mine's,

848
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: my wife's, one of my wife's very good friends, met

849
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: his father. His leg is missing from the knee down

850
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: because he kicked a bomb in a movie theater. I

851
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: know another guy, will we call him Hotel. His dad

852
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: was kidnapped to escape the jungle. You know. My wife's

853
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: father was murdered, you know, And you just go down

854
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: the line. All of them, all of them have scored.

855
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: And that was not because they were consuming the internationally

856
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: sold product. It was because obviously there was a failure

857
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: of the state to protect the people and and whatnot.

858
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: But like you know, they're very clear about like, yeah,

859
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, like any other place, do you know, Colombians

860
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: recreationally used drugs, Yeah, of course, But the way in

861
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: which their society was scarred had nothing to do essentially

862
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: with their internal consumption. It was all external. But they

863
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: were the ones that had to bear the costs of it,

864
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: and they paid a heavy, heavy, heavy toll, a heavy toll.

865
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: I remember there was a Winter Olympics and were my

866
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: wife and I were at a bar and they were

867
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: doing the opening ceremony. This is years and years and

868
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: years ago. I remember which fucking Olympics it was at

869
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: this point, but it was a Winter Olympics, and there

870
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: was a Colombian delegation, now obviously a very big one,

871
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, a handful of people, but there was a

872
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't even who knows what events they were doing,

873
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: but there were some that had made it. And there

874
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: were all this group of people next to us who

875
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: are making jokes about how, you know, the Colombians must

876
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: use coke as ski slopes to get where they're going,

877
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: and like I understand, like you can't get offended and

878
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: stuff like that, because these people don't know any better.

879
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: But it shows you how ubiquitous and frankly wrong headed

880
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: it is in the sense of the sort of the

881
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: Obviously the joke is designed to be literally not true.

882
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: But what I mean to say is, you know, they

883
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: got the coke, went to the world, the punishment went

884
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: to Colombia, and they're they're understandably not especially fond of

885
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: the idea that that's how they get remembered. They understand it,

886
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: like they're not like, you know, like hey, why are

887
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: we remember this way? Like they get it. But like

888
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: even now when people go to do like Columbia Torres

889
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, do you see these hippos and

890
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: meta gene, You guys know the story. So when Pablo

891
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: Escobar had this, had had this, he had this, basically this,

892
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: he was allowed to live an house arrest for a time, okay,

893
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: And while he lived on house arrest, there was this

894
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: giant complex, a sprawling complex, and I think the Antiocha

895
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: Antiochio region called La the Cathedral, and it was this

896
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: house he had and from there they were drug dealing

897
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: and everything else but partying and you know, everything else.

898
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: And in this place he had you know, wildlife brought

899
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: in and the whole night of soccer field and like

900
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: he had players show up to his house and play,

901
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: and he brought in hippos and they never got rid

902
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: of him after he got smoked, and they just became

903
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: an invasive species there to the point now where it's

904
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: actually not so clear what to do about it. You

905
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: could kill them all if you wanted, but that's not

906
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: a very humane solution, but trying to capture one it's

907
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: like capturing a street dog to neuter. It doesn't work

908
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: that way. So it's and they're terrorizing the local ecology

909
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: and an environment, and the Columbias are like, we don't

910
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: know what the fuck to do with this, sort of

911
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: just killing them all, which they really don't want to do.

912
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: But every time someone's like, I went to Columbia. Did

913
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: you hear about the cocaine hippos? It's like that every time.

914
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: It's just that every time, And I think what they're

915
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: trying to do is just move into a place where,

916
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, what do we get known for besides this?

917
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: How do we make an impression on folks that's absent this?

918
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: And I just think it's gonna take a long time

919
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: for that. So, you know, having friends who don't meet

920
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: my wife and go, hey, you wanna huh huh? You

921
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: know they don't, you would not get the kind of

922
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: response that you think you might get. When are you

923
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: and BC going to the shooting range? When BC comes

924
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: to visit, I'll take them video games. Don't care about that?

925
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: Is the show going to return to the studio full time?

926
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: At some point? We will it remain a split screen

927
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: home studio show forever. No, We've had conversations there. We

928
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: it's complex because my job makes no sense. So I work.

929
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I work for CBS Sports, but I barely know anyone

930
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: at CBS Sports. I know a few people. I know

931
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: my boss, I know his boss, I know BC. I

932
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: know some producers on the CBS Sports HQ side, but

933
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't really know anybody from CBS hardly at all. Okay,

934
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: I know a ton of people at Showtime. Ninety five

935
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: perst cent of my work is all Showtime, but I

936
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: don't actually, I mean, I do work for Showtime because

937
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: they're also VICOMCBS. Showtime hires me, Showtime pays me, but

938
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a one hundred percent Showtime employee,

939
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: and so Showtime wants to send me to stuff, CBS

940
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: Sports wants to send me to stuff, and then there's

941
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: also this MK quotion. So I was like, how do

942
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: you manage all that travel? It's kind of hard. So

943
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: in Miami we had conversations with Showtime and other folks

944
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: because Showtime is basically in charge of the podcast. CBS

945
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: has obviously, some say, but it's mostly a Showtime production.

946
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: And we've had some conversations about getting back to the

947
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: studio at least once, if not twice a month. So

948
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: that's the plan. I think the plan is, you know,

949
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: definitely a consistent presence. But I don't know that, folks.

950
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm just not ready to get on the train every

951
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: Monday at four point thirty in the morning. It's just

952
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: not my I don't I don't want to do that,

953
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: and I don't think they want to do that, and uh,

954
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. But we are going to

955
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: be back in studio more regularly soon, I can say that.

956
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: I think so.

957
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: So, although both are early in their UFC careers, who

958
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: do you think has a better chance of being the

959
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: walterweight champ shavkat Rochmanov or comsat Chremaiev. Well, this is

960
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: the point I've been making for a while. I think

961
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: it's still too early to tell. With Tremaiev, he's got

962
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: what two UFC fives, we haven't seen anything else, granted,

963
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: or two or three whatever? Three because he he uh

964
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: he flat lioned Gerald Mierschard. He's obviously super talented, right,

965
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: super talented. I'm not ready to say one thing or

966
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: the other, except I want to see more, because what

967
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: we've seen were he beat up two guys who were

968
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: badly overmatched. I think Meershart is good, but the fight

969
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: didn't last very long. Listen, this is the reality about UFC.

970
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: Eventually somebody is going to test you. Eventually. Usually it

971
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: happens when they're contender. Sometimes not. If you're like a

972
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: John Jones, it doesn't really happen until you're a champion.

973
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: Maybe Shumia will be that way too, but even then

974
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: he will get tested. I guess I'm just trying to

975
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: say the fights have been not as the results of

976
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: the fight have not been as information rich as I

977
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: would like them to be. In the case of Rochmanov,

978
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: you've gotten a lot more. He was really patient in

979
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: his last fight against Prazeresh, took his time, blah blah blah,

980
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: and you know, put on just an absolute well rounded clinic.

981
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: I mean, he showed a lot of different skills there

982
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: and then the same with his UFC debut as well.

983
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: Plus he's undefeated in the whole nine yards. So to me,

984
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: it's like you've just got still limited information both ways,

985
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: but you've got you've got much better information about Rockmanov's upside,

986
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: which I think is championship level. Then you do Tremaiev.

987
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: That's not to say Tamaiav's not better, It's just to say,

988
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what piece of evidence you would base

989
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: that on that's as valuable as the evidence you have

990
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: for Rockmanov. The evidence is not as as complete. So

991
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: and that's not Tamaiav's fault by any stretch. We just

992
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: need more. That's it. That's all I'm saying. Look, as

993
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: a relatively new fan of MMA, but a hardcore pro

994
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: wrestling fan throughout my childhood, could you explain what made

995
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: brock loads are such a huge store in UFC. There's

996
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: a giant crossover in the audience between people who love

997
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: MMA and love pro wrestling. That was a lesson I

998
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: had to learn the hard way. I did not realize

999
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: that I got it. There's many tracks you can take

1000
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: to get to MMA, and people who are pro wrestl

1001
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: fans think that the only way, or at least a

1002
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: predominant way. Maybe it is a predominant way, but they

1003
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: think it's like the sort of designated way you get

1004
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: into it. Is that, like, you know, it's really pro wrestling,

1005
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: just with real fights and there's certainly something to be

1006
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: said for that. But I came to it from the

1007
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: when the completely the other way, which is directly through

1008
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: the martial arts, and so it was kind of hard

1009
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: for me to understand that other side of it at first.

1010
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: It may seem a little crazy now, but back at

1011
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 1: the time, you know, if you come from the martial

1012
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: arts track, being asked to accept a lot of things

1013
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: that are true about pro wrestling that are not at

1014
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: all true about martial arts, it's a little bit of

1015
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: a it's a wake up call, or it's it's it's

1016
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: not it's not automatic. And uh so that was that,

1017
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: but in any case, there's a giant overlap in the audience.

1018
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: Brock was a huge star at the time in pro wrestling,

1019
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: and obviously he had the two thousand senior year at

1020
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: the University of Minnesota where he won the NCAA title.

1021
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: I remember that vividly. I was in college at the time,

1022
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: I was a sophomore, and you know, Brock was a

1023
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: force of fucking nature then and then he went to

1024
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: WWN as a whole thing and then he fought the

1025
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: big The big wake up call for me as an

1026
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: insider was when he fought Minsu Kim at the K

1027
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: One Hero show at the Rose Bowl, and he looked good.

1028
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: And Minsu Kim was a silver medalist in the Olympics

1029
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: in judo, and I was like, oh, okay, all right,

1030
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Flawed fighter. He wasn't that great of a fighter,

1031
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: but you know, you win a silver medal in the Olympics,

1032
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: like you're probably pretty good, you know, or better than

1033
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: the average person on the street. And Brock just fucking

1034
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: ran through them. And so I was like, okay, that's interesting.

1035
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: So you had this like speaking of promo, someone asked

1036
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: earlier if you guys ever seen the original promo of

1037
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: Brock Lesser being introduced to UFC. They had brock Lesner

1038
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: like walk out to like a normal walk out for UFC,

1039
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: but like to the stage where he could stop and

1040
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: like look around, and then they cut the footage immediately

1041
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: of him to being in a similar kind of setup,

1042
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: but like in this pro wrestling setup. I think it

1043
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: was actually a pro wrestling footage, and it was like

1044
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: from the ring to the cage. They used to have

1045
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: the guy I remember, like the deep voice guy who

1046
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: would do all the movie trailers. They had like that

1047
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: guy being like could he go from the you know,

1048
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: the ring to the cage or whatever. And it was

1049
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: this change where you would clearly see him as a

1050
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: pro wrestler camera change, and now he's an MMA fighter,

1051
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: and so you take in the existing popularity that he had,

1052
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: then you have this like big you know what, see

1053
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: him punk was trying, but he was just obviously a

1054
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: significantly better athlete, combat athlete or otherwise. And then he

1055
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: he wins against Minsu Kim, which didn't get a ton

1056
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: of attention, but what okay, and then he fights Frank

1057
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: Miir Now mirror beats him, but he looked fucking good

1058
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: for the most part doing that. And I just remember,

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00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: like I've said up before, I went back and I

1060
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: checked by numbers that night on Bloody Elbow, and like,

1061
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe how much there was. I you know,

1062
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: it was it changed the course of my career. Brock

1063
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: Lessner's participation in the UFC enabled me to go full time. Basically.

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00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: A while ago, someone in the live chat asked you

1065
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: about fighters like McGregor and O'Malley, fighters who go from

1066
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: very bouncing and let on their feet to them very

1067
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: planted for heavy shots. The question asked about the toll

1068
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: that style has on the legs and the rest of

1069
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: the body. At the time, he said that along the

1070
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: lines if that's interesting, but we'll have to wait and see.

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00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious of what your updated answer. I don't know

1072
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: that O'Malley is as bouncy as like bladed stance McGregor.

1073
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: I need to go back and double check that number one.

1074
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: Number two. We still don't have enough information. I mean,

1075
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: injury susceptibility varies widely person to person. Some people don't

1076
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: get injured in the way that others do, and they've

1077
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: measured this with for example, like ligament and tendon. I

1078
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: don't know what the word is, tensile strength almost like

1079
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: which ones are just more resistant to tears. And it

1080
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: turns out that, like you know, some people are smarter

1081
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: than others, some people are taller, some people are you know,

1082
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: more dynamic as an explosive athlete, and some people just

1083
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: have better connective tissue in terms of injury resistance. And

1084
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: I've made this argument before, like Jordan Reid, who I

1085
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: think maybe retiring or whatever he's doing. He was tight

1086
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: end for the Washington at the time. The Washington Redskins

1087
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: and dude, just a fucking dynamic athlete six four two forty.

1088
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he could move, he had vertical ability, he

1089
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: could juke defenders when he had pass catching ability. I mean,

1090
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: in terms of pure football play. You know, he was

1091
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: to me injuries notwithstanding, like okay, put that aside, just

1092
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: what his offensive ability was. When he was healthy, I

1093
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: think he was one of the very best tight ends

1094
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: in the whole league. But the problem is he just

1095
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: could not stay healthy. He just couldn't. He got concussion issues,

1096
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: he had ligamin issues, he had shoulder issues, and you know,

1097
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: he was just a tremendous athlete. But it was one

1098
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: of those things where it's like, dude, some of these

1099
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: guys can get hammered in the way. I mean, I

1100
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: would watch I would I would watch Jordan retake a hit,

1101
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I'd be like, is this gonna be

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01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: the time that he doesn't get up? And more often

1103
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: than not that there be times where he'd like, alrighty,

1104
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: he's out for the game. He's in concussion protocoil, like

1105
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: fucking hell. And then you'd watch some other like really

1106
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: good tight end and they would get banged up too.

1107
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm mist understanding they were getting concussions and shoulder issues too,

1108
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: but they were just way more durable like a Gronkowski,

1109
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: like just more durable. He really, he really really was,

1110
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: and he was taking monster shots too. Now I can't

1111
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: say with any scientific certainty that Gronkowski is more injury resistant,

1112
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: but rather there is also accompanying research that shows some

1113
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: people just don't get injured the same way. Is that

1114
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: McGregor's case. I think the one that's more interesting to

1115
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: me is something I've been thinking about a lot. Let

1116
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: me show you something. So I've been trying something recently.

1117
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna go, but I've been

1118
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: trying to get into barefoot shoes. Now, not the Vibrum

1119
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: five fingers, because those are just goofy as. Shit, I'm

1120
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: not wearing those. But these so, these are the Vivo

1121
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: What are these ones called? I'm not even sure. Vivo

1122
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: Fit is the one who makes them. Vivo is the brand.

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Speaker 1: You can see the logo here. These are called barefoot shoes.

1124
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: Now why are they called barefoot shoes? I have any

1125
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: other ones here? I don't think I do. But this

1126
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: is the idea. Look at the soul of this thing.

1127
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: Let me put it this way, So this is not

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Speaker 1: an ordinary shoe. It's ordinary here, but it's not ordinary here.

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: The idea is that it's got a much wider toe

1130
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: box on purpose, it's got zero drop, It's got a

1131
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: lot of things, so it doesn't the heel is not raised,

1132
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: it's the foot is wide. Because it turns out, like

1133
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: all my life, running was painful, and I was never

1134
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: very good at it. I think I said in Hey

1135
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: Room Service Diaries, my fastest three miles ever in the

1136
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: Marine Corps was nineteen minutes. But I was never able

1137
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: to meet that ever. Again, that was a one time deal.

1138
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: I got twenty two once and then twenty four, you know,

1139
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: which is not great at all. Nineteen was pretty commendable

1140
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: for someone of my size. But why don't I bring

1141
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: all this up? Because it turns out that there's a

1142
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: lot of research and indicates that if you run in

1143
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: normal shoes, you strike heel first and then the foot

1144
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: comes down. This is not natural. You're supposed to run

1145
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: on basically your body's built in suspension system, which means

1146
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: you're supposed to strike here first and then kind of

1147
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: come down, and you have to build that up if

1148
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: you've never done that before. It takes time. I remember

1149
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: the first time I ran barefoot on the foe foot,

1150
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't walk for like three weeks. It was so

1151
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: painful because my body was not used to it. So

1152
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: now I have shoes. These are my workout shoes. Actually

1153
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: just got them today. These are the Vivo again, the

1154
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: Vivo fit. I forgot what the name of them, the

1155
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: particular name of them. Your boy wears a size fifteen

1156
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: in any event, or fourteen. Actually, I actually got two

1157
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: pairs of fourteen and fifteen. I'm actually gonna sell the fifteen,

1158
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: But to anybody who wants it. Why do I bring

1159
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: all this up when you look at someone like Dominant Cruz,

1160
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what his background is at all, So

1161
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm very much speaking out of turn. But one thing

1162
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: I can say is I think a lot of foot, ankle, knee,

1163
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: hip issues, either related to running or use of shoes,

1164
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: or even just not using your feet in the way

1165
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: in which your body evolved for them to be used,

1166
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: causes tons of problems. I can't run heel first. I

1167
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: can't do it. I can run that way, but it

1168
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: causes tremendous shin splints I've had. I'm not trying to

1169
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I know what Connor's going through. I don't,

1170
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: but I have had stress fractures in both by shins.

1171
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: It's fucking painful. It's terrible, it's not fun. And it

1172
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: turns out that there's a good case to be made

1173
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: that it comes from not running the appropriate way and

1174
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: in the appropriate kind of shoe, and that your feet

1175
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: need to spread and they need to grip, and they

1176
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: need to you know, there's there's all kinds of muscles

1177
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Then you know, when a guy

1178
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: like Dominic Cruz is telling me he's having to botox

1179
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: his feet, One, there's a question of to what extent

1180
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: does he have general foot health. I don't know. I'm

1181
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: not a doctor. But two, you can make a case

1182
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: that even if he does have good foot health, there's

1183
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: an overuse factor there that his body was simply not

1184
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: ready for and it caused all those problems. So it

1185
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: seems to me, to answer your question about bouncing and whatnot,

1186
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: I tend to think that bouncing is probably just fine

1187
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: if it's trained properly from you know, an earlish age

1188
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: or you know, whatever accommodated training has to happen through adulthood,

1189
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: because you do have a built in suspension system landing here,

1190
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: but that takes a long long if you've never done

1191
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: it before, it takes a long years, literally years of

1192
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: just dedicated barefoot application in order for that to materialize.

1193
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: So the question is is bouncing good or bad? Few

1194
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: I tend to think it's probably fine for the right people.

1195
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: The question is for the ones where it causes health problems?

1196
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: What's underlying that? Is it inherent inability to manage injury?

1197
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: Is it from mechanical issues? Is it from you know,

1198
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: what's it from? So there you go, all right, we'll

1199
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: do a couple more. Uh, look, have you seen or

1200
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: heard the Florentino Perez leaked audio tapes? And if so,

1201
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: would you think basically the dude who's like the not

1202
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: the coach, but like the business stuff of the GM

1203
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: more or less of Real Madrid. If you guys don't

1204
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: know this, you know, which is a huge club. It's,

1205
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: if not the biggest, one of the biggest any sporting

1206
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: organization in the world. And uh, there's a bunch of

1207
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: tapes of him just shitting on everybody, including like Ronaldo

1208
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: and calling him a fucking idiot, and like it's been

1209
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: leaked slowly to the Spanish press and it's been a

1210
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: it's been a it's been a shit show. Who do

1211
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: you think will win a title? First? Ilia, Tiporia, Armnsaryuki

1212
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: In Shofcott, Rochmanov or comsat Chamayah, Well, you talk about

1213
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: a murderers fucking row. Good lord, I'll say, I'll say

1214
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: Rock Mono or Taporia again. Tamaia might be the answer.

1215
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: I just need to see more. Luke, would you consider

1216
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: doing a new show segment where you highlight a blue

1217
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: chip prospect? Yeah, sure, I'll think about that. You guys

1218
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: brought up mugs on MK and how awesome they are.

1219
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: Will they ever get released to the washed masses? I

1220
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: honestly don't fuck. We have fucked that up. We have

1221
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: fucked up our merch launch twice. I mean well, I

1222
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: mean that's an overstatement, but we've not done it the

1223
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: way we should have done it. I'll put it that way.

1224
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: And we have so many good ideas and so many

1225
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: things that I know you guys want people of asking

1226
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: for rash guards, I'll putting that on the list and

1227
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: everything else. But the answer is probably yes, But we

1228
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: don't have any plans as it stands, So there you go.

1229
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: All right, Look, how do you think a Parier versus

1230
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: Gaichee two plays out second time? Around? People forgetting about

1231
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: Gai Chee with the time off. Yes, I do think

1232
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: it'd be a different fight. I I wonder what would

1233
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: happen as he began to trade more, and would he

1234
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: land a big shot on Dustin and the cause problems

1235
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: with Dustin land on him? Would Dustin try to wrestle

1236
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: him in the way that Kabeb did. And I'll say this,

1237
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: I would love to see Justin get another win or two.

1238
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: And I'd love to see them running back because there's

1239
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind. Maybe Poortia wins again, maybe

1240
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't, but that would be a different fight from

1241
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: the first one. And that first one was a tough fight,

1242
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 1: a tough fight. Okay, let's call it there. All right,

1243
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: let's do this thumbs up on the video Subscribe show

1244
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: tomorrow eleven am in the East Live. We'll do x's

1245
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: and o's around all the big fights this weekend. I

1246
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,520
Speaker 1: might even do a live post fight show after Saturday's

1247
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: man event, even though it's a fight night card. We'll see.

1248
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Speaker 1: But we got a lot of stuff coming Yeah, looking

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01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: forward to tomorrow's show, and until that, I appreciate you guys.