WEBVTT - How Navajo Code Talkers Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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<v Speaker 1>I'm editor Kandiskip Sunshine by staff writer Jane Gray. We

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<v Speaker 1>got an email from one of our favorite listeners named Shiro,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is just full of so many wonderful ideas

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<v Speaker 1>to us was the Navajo code talkers. And I got

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<v Speaker 1>on with the Navajos. That's right, And to give you

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<v Speaker 1>the context, we have the idea that codes in war

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<v Speaker 1>are very important because the Japanese and World War Two

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<v Speaker 1>were able to um basically tap into communications between the

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<v Speaker 1>Allied forces and intercept these communications. They are sometimes able

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<v Speaker 1>to take issue false commands even and like organize ambushes

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<v Speaker 1>on Allied troops. And so obviously the Allies had to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with codes that were inevitably broken by the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese and Japanese were so good at code breaking, uh

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<v Speaker 1>that they would break every code that the Allies came

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<v Speaker 1>up with. And this is so frustrating. The Japanese had

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<v Speaker 1>even sent some of their men to the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to study the language. Then you English perfectly, they could

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<v Speaker 1>imitate the accent and the Germans, who the Navajo code

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<v Speaker 1>talkers didn't really have to interact with, but we're still

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<v Speaker 1>a major force. In World War Two. They sent some

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<v Speaker 1>of their men over to Native American reservations and the

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<v Speaker 1>United States to pose as art dealers and other, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anthropologists that they could pick up on Native American languages

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<v Speaker 1>because the United States was known to have used Choctaw

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<v Speaker 1>and other as many as I think eighteen different tribes

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<v Speaker 1>influences from their languages and World War One. So and

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<v Speaker 1>that's one thing I hadn't heard about was the use

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<v Speaker 1>of the American Indian languages in World War One. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting that I believe it was Hitler who had

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<v Speaker 1>had these anthropologists go over that he had the foresight

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<v Speaker 1>to at least try to understand these languages to break

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<v Speaker 1>any codes that the Americans would come up with. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it was a monumental task. And because World War

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<v Speaker 1>two was conducted over a span of islands that were

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of miles apart, and some instances the United States

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<v Speaker 1>had to have a way of sending messages that the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese would not interpret, and it was really sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a lost cause until Philip Johnston, who was raised on

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<v Speaker 1>a Navajo reservation with his missionary parents, went to enable

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<v Speaker 1>station in Los Angeles and said, I've got this idea. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Navajo language is virtually unknown to any more than

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<v Speaker 1>like forty non Navajos. It's almost impossible to understand. It's

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<v Speaker 1>completely oral, it's never been written down. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>this might really work. That's right. And it also was

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<v Speaker 1>a great advantage because it was so fast to to

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<v Speaker 1>use as a code. Codes Before that it took hours

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<v Speaker 1>to send INDEC a message sent through among Allied troops

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<v Speaker 1>and the machines at the very least would take thirty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>and compared this to about twenty seconds that it took

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<v Speaker 1>Navajos to code and decode a message. When Philip Johnston

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<v Speaker 1>had them demonstrated, it was just whild the celerity with

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<v Speaker 1>which they worked, and not just the speed, but the

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<v Speaker 1>accuracy too. And Johnston really was advocating for the Navajos

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<v Speaker 1>language to be used because the Navajos had been educated

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<v Speaker 1>in American schools. And let me give you guys a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of background on this. Uh, the Navajos were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much isolated in the southwest United States. They they

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<v Speaker 1>had their home between what they called the Four Sacred Mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>and so their language is very much consolidated within this area,

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<v Speaker 1>and language is essential to their culture. They believe that

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<v Speaker 1>the universe and language were sort of created in tandem,

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<v Speaker 1>the first four words being light, earth, water, and air.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a very precise language too, and different inflections

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<v Speaker 1>and different tonalities convey entirely different meanings. So the Navajos

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<v Speaker 1>were within this this corner of the United States, within

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<v Speaker 1>the Four Sacred Mountains, and gradually they began to be

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<v Speaker 1>pushed out, first by Spanish invaders and then by the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. And General Sherman of Civil War fame is

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<v Speaker 1>very well known for discussing what he called the Navajo

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<v Speaker 1>problem and beginning the process of eradication. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>even quoted as saying that their attempts at civilization are ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the Navajos were pushed out of their reservation

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<v Speaker 1>and they were. They were made to go live in

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico until eighteen sixty eight when a leader named

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<v Speaker 1>Barbon Scudo negotiated for the Navajo to return to their

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<v Speaker 1>land and in exchange, their children would be raised in

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<v Speaker 1>US schools and completely give up their culture. And it

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<v Speaker 1>got to a point where children who even spoke the

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<v Speaker 1>Navajo language and were overheard were um, we're beaten or

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<v Speaker 1>punished on their mouths, were washed out. So essentially the

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<v Speaker 1>Navajo culture had been somewhat annihilated and completely brushed aside,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it rose back up into question again. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>and thank goodness that it wasn't I hated completely because

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<v Speaker 1>it ended up saving battle, saving lives in World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>And some Navajos recount that when they heard the music

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<v Speaker 1>Pearl Harbor, there were as many as a hundred men

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<v Speaker 1>who went to enable station to report for duty, and

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<v Speaker 1>they even brought their own weapons in some cases, because

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<v Speaker 1>Navaja cultures very much rooted and the idea of protecting

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<v Speaker 1>the homeland, even the homeland that had spurned them for

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<v Speaker 1>so long. Right and um, not all Navajos were code talkers,

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<v Speaker 1>but many of them were. It's estimated between three and

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<v Speaker 1>about four twenty Navajos served as code talkers, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to note how the code actually worked because the

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<v Speaker 1>language itself was very complex. Only about thirty non Navajos

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<v Speaker 1>actually spoke the language in the world like on the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>But they added an extra twist to the code that

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<v Speaker 1>made it even more difficult. And that was even if

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<v Speaker 1>you translated all these Navajos a Navajo words into English correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>it was still sound like a random chain of words.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was because what you're supposed to do when

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<v Speaker 1>you got the message was only take the first letter

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<v Speaker 1>of the English translation and put those together to make

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<v Speaker 1>an understandable message. And what made it so unique was

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<v Speaker 1>that there were plenty of military terms that the Navajos

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have words for it all. So something like hummingbird

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<v Speaker 1>would refer to a fighter plane, and a dive bomber

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<v Speaker 1>would be a chicken hawk. So there was this added

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<v Speaker 1>layer of mystery. And even when they thought that the

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<v Speaker 1>enemy might be getting too close to figuring out what

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<v Speaker 1>the words stood for, they would take the letter A

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<v Speaker 1>and come up with three different English words that could

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<v Speaker 1>be derived from it. That's right, So they mixed it

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<v Speaker 1>up and like as you say, not all over. Its

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<v Speaker 1>had to be UM spilled out letter by litter. They

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<v Speaker 1>had those code words that UM were still shrouded in

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<v Speaker 1>a level of mystery. So the high point of the

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<v Speaker 1>Navajo code came after the demonstration that Johnston conducted for

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<v Speaker 1>General Clayton B. Vogel, and that's when Jane mentioned. He

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrated that a message that could take as much as

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes to transmit via a cryptograph or other machine

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<v Speaker 1>took twenty seconds for the Navajos. And the three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>eighty second Platoon Coding Unit was formed and recruiters from

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<v Speaker 1>the Marines went to different reservations to get Navajos and UM.

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<v Speaker 1>They had an outpouring of response, and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>men lied on their applications because they were too young

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<v Speaker 1>to go, and at least one lied because he was

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<v Speaker 1>too old to go. And they went to boot camp

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<v Speaker 1>just like any other recruit and then they were taken

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<v Speaker 1>to Camp Elliott to develop their code and it was

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<v Speaker 1>never ever ever written down, and it evolved from two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred eleven to four hundred eleven words, and the Navaja

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<v Speaker 1>were given a lot of creative freedom and developing the

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<v Speaker 1>code on their own. That's right, and to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to how complex the code was, even when Navajo soldier

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<v Speaker 1>who was actually not trained in the code. This this

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<v Speaker 1>soldier was not trained, but he understood the Navaho language.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was captured in Baton by the access troops,

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<v Speaker 1>they ordered him to try to translate it, and he

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<v Speaker 1>never understood what the message was. Because of the added

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<v Speaker 1>complexity of the code. That sort of gave rise to

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<v Speaker 1>the premise on which the Nicholas Cage maybe wind Talkers

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<v Speaker 1>is based. And that's the idea that for every Navajo

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<v Speaker 1>co talker in the field there was a secret bodyguard

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<v Speaker 1>who followed him and was supposed to kill him if

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<v Speaker 1>he were captured, so that he couldn't show the code.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't never for sure if that was actually

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<v Speaker 1>a component of the Navajo co talker equation. The military

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<v Speaker 1>is not confirming or denying it, but it's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of interesting to think about. It's an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>twist to the story, that's right. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great quotes that I found about their significance to the

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<v Speaker 1>war in general was from the Battle of the Regima.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a Major Howard Conner who was an officer

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<v Speaker 1>there and he had six Navjo code talkers are working

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<v Speaker 1>around the clock during the battle, and he said later on,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not for the Navajos, and Marines would have never

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<v Speaker 1>taken you Agima. Yeah, on Agia. It was amazing. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about almost a thirty six day long battle with

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<v Speaker 1>about forty eight straight hours of coding and translating and decoding.

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<v Speaker 1>About eight hundred messages were sent without a single mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>It is incredible. And the irony is that when the

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<v Speaker 1>Navajo co talk walkers, they were the first twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>one of the thirty that were originally recruited UM dropped

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<v Speaker 1>out after after training. The first twenty nine two stayed

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<v Speaker 1>behind went over to the battlefields. UM. They weren't used

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<v Speaker 1>at first because people weren't sure that they could really

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<v Speaker 1>trust them in the thick of battle, and they thought

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<v Speaker 1>that troops might be too caught up in military maneuvers

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<v Speaker 1>to really need their codes, and so it took a

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<v Speaker 1>while to build trust for the Navajos to be used

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<v Speaker 1>for their intended purpose. At first, they were just used

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<v Speaker 1>for running messages. They were just runners, and others were

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<v Speaker 1>you know, handed weapons and and told to fight. But

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<v Speaker 1>little did they know, and the Marine raiders where the

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<v Speaker 1>group that really put them to the test, and they

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<v Speaker 1>proved themselves especially um it's Sapan. One group of allies

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<v Speaker 1>was being bombed by their own men and they didn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they kept trying to radio to say stop stop,

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<v Speaker 1>this is us, you know, And finally they were able

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<v Speaker 1>to say, have you got a Navaho code talker there?

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<v Speaker 1>And as soon as the Navajo code talker sent the

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<v Speaker 1>message that these were friendly troops that they're firing on,

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<v Speaker 1>the firing immediately ceased. So the power that they how

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<v Speaker 1>it was just immeasurable. And what's sad is that after

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<v Speaker 1>Irrigima was taken and after you know, the bombs were

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<v Speaker 1>dropped on Japan and and the war was in assence over,

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<v Speaker 1>the Navajo co talkers were discharged and they couldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what their contribution to the war how no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how great it was, um, because it's still the

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<v Speaker 1>the Marines wanted to keep a hold on it to

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<v Speaker 1>use in future battles or what have you, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it actually remained classified until at least nineteen which is

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<v Speaker 1>just you can think of, like, think of what contribution

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<v Speaker 1>you made to the country that you know has betrayed

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<v Speaker 1>your people. In the past and you've done so much

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<v Speaker 1>great work and you come home and you can't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It made it difficult for the co talkers

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<v Speaker 1>who returned to the reservation and those who went out

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<v Speaker 1>to seek jobs, because they couldn't account for what they've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing with the past couple of years of their lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and they couldn't say what they've been doing. They you know,

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<v Speaker 1>had to either fabricate stories or keep silent. And we

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<v Speaker 1>know today there are plenty of soldiers who are coming

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<v Speaker 1>home and you know they they have these dreams and

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<v Speaker 1>awful memories and psychological uh reckonings that they're they're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with after all that they witnessed in war and I

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<v Speaker 1>Regima especially, we're talking about a volcano where the Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>were lucky enough to have dug trenches, but the Americans

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<v Speaker 1>were fighting on top, covered and volcanic dust, being slaughtered

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<v Speaker 1>all the Japanese had orders to kill at least ten Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Navajo has had to come home and have

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<v Speaker 1>these memories and they couldn't talk about them, and they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't share them. They had no way to really get

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<v Speaker 1>help for dealing with the after effects of war and

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<v Speaker 1>so when the information was declassified and they were finally

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<v Speaker 1>honored for their service, we we see that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these things are still coming up. The Navajo co talkers

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<v Speaker 1>are still talking about the memories that they have, and

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