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Speaker 4: We want to welcome you back home.

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Speaker 2: Tell us all about it.

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Speaker 4: We scared her? Was it fine?

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Speaker 2: Malborn?

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Speaker 4: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 4: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need with Karen and Chris welcome to Do

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Speaker 1: you need to ride? This is Chris Fairbanks.

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Speaker 4: And this is Karen Kilgariff.

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Speaker 1: Karen at the beginning of each episode for audio reasons,

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Speaker 1: so we all sync up. She leads us in a clap,

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Speaker 1: which sounds kind of religious because your hands were clasped

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Speaker 3: Remember sometimes, Yeah, right before the clap lead that I do.

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Speaker 3: I say a quick prayer to the podcasting a patron saint.

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Speaker 1: It's convenient, Clia, Yeah, your hands are already in the

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Speaker 1: prayer position through preliminary clap.

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Speaker 4: Why not ask for a little help before you start?

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Speaker 1: You know what, there's never not a bad time to

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Speaker 1: ask a little from God.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Chris, Yeah, I guess Ris.

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Speaker 1: I went swimming today. I just wanted to say Jordan

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Speaker 1: which is why I look like I got electrocuted. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, and I've just seen maybe you had been swimming.

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Speaker 3: That's private. I don't reveal any private information on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Karen, we're nervous.

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Speaker 4: We're both incredibly nervous.

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Speaker 1: I'm nervous because we have a real guest today that

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Speaker 1: I look up to, that's right. Yeah, So I just

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Speaker 1: But I haven't met Mike yet. And see, I did

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Speaker 3: Shit, Ladies and gentlemen, our guest today. You might know

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Speaker 3: him from his many music albums. You might know him

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Speaker 3: from his podcast network or his podcasts he's been doing

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Speaker 3: a while.

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Speaker 4: Please welcome open Mike Ego.

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Speaker 5: Hi, guys, I'm nervous too now because you guys are

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Speaker 5: staying so much nice stuff about me yep, and I

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Speaker 5: Can we just be pals so that so that we're

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Speaker 1: I think we can do that. There's a setting that

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Speaker 1: I can default to. Okay, it's buddy, it's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Remember that last party we hung out at.

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Speaker 5: We remember when we swam earlier. Oh man, that was

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Speaker 1: Hey, next time, let's not wear the swim caps.

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Speaker 1: I am a big fan of you, Mike, and I

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Speaker 1: am a fan of your entire collect Project Blowed, and

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Speaker 1: early on when I was a kid, Freestyle Fellowship is

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Speaker 1: And you are a part of that group. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes families there's a stabbing. That's it's hard. I

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Speaker 4: I met you when you're at Bridgetown.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was fun.

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Speaker 3: And it was like these are the people that are

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it makes me nervous all the time. I

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Speaker 5: That's why I really was prepared to hear about like

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Speaker 4: There, Mike, have you ever skateboarded.

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Speaker 5: I've tried. It's not good. I'm not good with wheels.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes if I pummis my heels too much and then

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Speaker 4: This stupid game that's just to bring people together because.

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Speaker 5: There's no there's no nothing I can do to ensure

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? You just you felt? Yeah, it felt pitiful. A

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Speaker 1: And that album is are you talking about the trauma divorce?

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Speaker 1: What's it called? Sorry anime trauma and divorce? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Almost to I think it certainly helped helped the project

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00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 5: resonate with people. Yeah, I think it did. It a

442
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 5: lot of a lot of moments, it felt very like

443
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 5: self centered trying to promote it you know, like like

444
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 5: it was already felt kind of gross anyway, because it's

445
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 5: like all personal and I'm trying to sell it, you know,

446
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 5: I'm trying to like like point people to it and

447
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 5: get engagement around it and all of that robotic stuff.

448
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 5: But yeah, then on top of that, like people are

449
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 5: going through really real stuff. People are dying, people are

450
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: losing jobs, and you know, it's like, yeah, here I

451
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: come with my bullshit. You know, it didn't seem like

452
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 5: the best timing, but I think some of it did

453
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 5: resonate with people because it was such a dark time.

454
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going through a similar like while when

455
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: my special came out that I felt I needed to

456
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: tell people meanwhile marching on my street for something way

457
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: more important than my comedy special. And I'm like, I'm

458
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: not saying shit. I'll let it sit out there for

459
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: a little while and then maybe occasionally mention it. But

460
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: like you said it, it's a lot of things that

461
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: we do resonated with people in the past year, and

462
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: it's worth it. But I'm like you, I'm not I'm

463
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: not gonna shove it down people's throat, even though that's

464
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: part of our jobs.

465
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's that's the that's the part that

466
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 5: I think is more and more becoming our job. As things,

467
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 5: you know, everything gets more digital, it becomes us who

468
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 5: are the like where the needle move is ultimately like

469
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 5: what our social media on, how our products get marketed,

470
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 5: and it's kind of just where we are.

471
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you You already had a pretty steady

472
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: hip hop career, but when did you start intersecting with comedy?

473
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: How did that happen? Was that in Chicago?

474
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 5: No, that was that was in La that first time

475
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 5: that I was I was describing earlier, that first time

476
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 5: I performed in front of a comedy crowd. It was

477
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 5: at uc B. Oh okay, yeah, Like so I like

478
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 5: wormed my way into being an asscat monologist.

479
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've done that. It's really fun. It's self indulgent,

480
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: but there at it's the best.

481
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 5: And the way I did it, I just like did

482
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: a couple of songs and talked about where the songs

483
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 5: came from, and then you know, they they ripped the

484
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 5: sketches off of those and it was just really it

485
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 5: was very just fulfilling for me as a as a

486
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 5: writer to be in that sort of environment and and

487
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 5: I just kind of started chasing it from there. Pretty

488
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 5: much like the second time I did the asscat thing,

489
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: I make sure I had it, I had it videotape

490
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 5: because I then I used that to try to get

491
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 5: on other comedy shows, Like I ended up getting on

492
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 5: Paul F. Thompkins show at the Largo because I was

493
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 5: hounding him with this video. Look look it works, and yeah,

494
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 5: and he and he, you know, he got me on

495
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 5: a couple of his shows. And that's really when it

496
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 5: started to take root, because then I got started to

497
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 5: be like part of the community, you know, like meeting

498
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 5: people and you know, and and somebody would invite me

499
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 5: on their show, and somebody would see that invite me

500
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 5: on there, and like you know, and and that's kind

501
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 5: of how it really kind of took hold.

502
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a perfect fit because Largo is the

503
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: only place I've seen where music and comedy are married

504
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: and it works. It's so hard to make it work

505
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: and and it always works there.

506
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that audience has been trained over the years of

507
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: like you might.

508
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 4: Because I'm definitely in the.

509
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: Old Largo used to do those nights where it was

510
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: like Colin Hay from Men at Work and it's his

511
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: night and his audience has no interest in comedy, and

512
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: you have a half an hour to fill before he's

513
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: going to walk out there. We were just like, they

514
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: fucking hate my guts, Like they don't.

515
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 4: They just that's not the that's.

516
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: Not the plane they want to be on that evening.

517
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: They're on a full different trajectory. And you're just like,

518
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: I have some great observations about Sephora everybody, and.

519
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: They're just like, you know what, I'm not doing that

520
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 4: with you right now.

521
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: It is night meritally hilarious, but it's almost like planning

522
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: and got in there, and of course with all those

523
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: people that just kept coming back, like audience and performers,

524
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: because of course all musicians want to be comics and

525
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: all comics want to be musicians.

526
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: So it was like he just kind of kept going,

527
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: it's working, it does work, Just keep doing it.

528
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think now that audience is like, we're

529
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: up for what you give us, like.

530
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 5: We trust whatever, Yeah, down for whatever. And it's a

531
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 5: it's a it is a great place for that because

532
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 5: I've been on the other side of that too, where

533
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 5: like I do music that's too musical on the comedy

534
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 5: show and you know, people aren't necessarily you know, into

535
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 5: that either unless they put you at the very end.

536
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 5: If they puts you at the very in it works.

537
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: They put me in the middle so it can be rough.

538
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: I have talked to Chris about this a bunch of times,

539
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: doing because I used to do like comedy guitars songs.

540
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 1: And you'll do it again. They're gonna make you.

541
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 3: There's nothing more painful than like you just finish the

542
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: first chorus and you can see some fucking blonde twenty.

543
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: Eight year old staring at you.

544
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: It's always a blonde guy for me, where there's always

545
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: just like no thanks, you still.

546
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: Have You're just like, why did I write four verses

547
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 4: in this song? Like it's just you are trapped in your.

548
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: Own fucking idea and it hurts.

549
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: It hurts every muscle in my body.

550
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing of the make or break of

551
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: like when it goes great that for me, comedy music

552
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: is like the best cheat in the world because you

553
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: don't have to do the moment by moment speaking performance.

554
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: You're just like and away we go, and everyone's gonna

555
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: go with it. It's hy energy or it sucks and

556
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: it slows time down, does.

557
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 5: You get. You get trapped in that in watching every

558
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 5: lyric come out of your own mouth.

559
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: This was my idea, so was this? This is my

560
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 4: idea too.

561
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it can be so excruciating.

562
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the reason? Did they give you a reason?

563
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: When Comedy Central canceled the New Negroes? Say, God, I

564
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: said it and I don't. Did they cancel it because

565
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: they were uncomfortable saying that word? Do you think the executives?

566
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, like, I can't say this anymore.

567
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 5: It's so funny, because man, that title ended up being

568
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 5: such a story on its own, Like we never could

569
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: have imagined how much, like how much we'd end up

570
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: having to talk about about.

571
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: That really, like I was splitting the room.

572
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 5: Oh man, it was from the very first pilot test

573
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 5: it it came to our attention at the title was

574
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 5: a fucking problem. We ended up having to reshoot part

575
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 5: of our pilot to address title like and and that

576
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 5: didn't really work either, because what happened is that we

577
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 5: had a title that people would have a reaction on,

578
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 5: and they wouldn't if they had a negative reaction, they

579
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 5: wouldn't go watch the show to see whether or not

580
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 5: the title gets explained they were out.

581
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were just telling other people to be out

583
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 5: on Twitter.

584
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Upon reading that the first time, all I had

585
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: to do was hear it said in Baron Vaughan's voice,

586
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I know

587
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: what this is.

588
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: You also, you'd watch that trailer where it's just like like.

589
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: Ask comic after kick ass comic after.

590
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: Kick ass musician, where you're just like, Lizzo was on

591
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: that show, right, yep. I just it's just like, these

592
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: bookings are very high level. They're not your average Comedy

593
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: Central show bookings at all, and.

594
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 5: They didn't know how to really deal with any of

595
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 5: that either. They didn't really know how to take advantage

596
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 5: of the fact that we were able to like get

597
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: Lizo like you know, like a week before she was

598
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 5: like a worldwide Yeah. Yeah, like you know, they didn't

599
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: really know how to but well, of.

600
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: Course they don't know. They're all just twenty five year

601
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: old executives.

602
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 5: But sorry, there was stuff we didn't know too, honestly. Yeah,

603
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 5: and like even like getting Lizzo, like the way we

604
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 5: got Lizzo because she signed to a major label, so

605
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 5: like the major labels typically don't let their artists do

606
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 5: music that they don't own, you know what I'm saying,

607
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 5: Like that's why they signed people to really expensive contracts.

608
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: So to get Lizo, for instance, we had to have

609
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: her giant record label Atlantic sign a waiver that they

610
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 5: weren't gonna mess with us about doing this song. But

611
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 5: what that meant was nobody in her world was going

612
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 5: to really acknowledge it at all, like it didn't exist,

613
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 5: and they went one they went one step further and

614
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 5: like got it taken off of some very important playlists. Wow,

615
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 5: because they aggressively did not want it to exist because

616
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 5: they weren't making money from it.

617
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: Did she kind of blow up sometime in between taping

618
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: that and when it was going to air.

619
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was already like popping when we taped it.

620
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

621
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: I think our episode with her maybe aired in May,

622
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: and in like by June she was Everywhere's absolutely everywhere.

623
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: I wonder if that was rape before she did that

624
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: Coachella that like it was almost like people had been

625
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: saying the name and then she blew doors at Coachella

626
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: in a way where people just couldn't.

627
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: That sounds it sounds about right, Yeah, it sounds about right,

628
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 5: Like The next thing I remember is like she was

629
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 5: half naked at the Lakers game.

630
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: Next thing, yeah, it was, it was so ready.

631
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

632
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: So I think the story now is that you and

633
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: Baron broke Lizzo and actually are responsible.

634
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 5: I like that.

635
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: That's what I would do.

636
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 5: I'll take the social credit percentage points. You know. However,

637
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 5: that deal gets the.

638
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: Back end of Lizzo's career like a girl.

639
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: So will then sorry, go ahead, No, go ahead, No,

640
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead. Uh did you was that an audition

641
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: thing where you just met Baron for the first time

642
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: or were you already?

643
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 5: Yeah? We we had been working together for years and

644
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 5: New Negroes was his concept that he built at Bridgetown.

645
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: He was doing it there I think, going back to

646
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 5: like twenty fourteen, fifteen something like that. Uh, and then

647
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 5: he brought me on to that and we started doing

648
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 5: it at different festivals around the country, and we started

649
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 5: doing it as a monthly here in LA and along

650
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 5: those Along that route. It developed as a TV concept

651
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 5: as well.

652
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 4: So did you do that at Meltdown? Was that a

653
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: Meltdown show?

654
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 5: I don't think it was it. No, you know, we

655
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: did it. We did it at a at a We

656
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 5: did it at UCB for like two years, and then

657
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: we did it at this place.

658
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: Virgil, Yes, the Virgil Yes, yeah, I a one hundred

659
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: percent remember it at UCB because they used to have

660
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: stand up there. There was that used to be a hang.

661
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: It's still there, right, the.

662
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 5: One still there? The same the second one. The second

663
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 5: one's gone. Yeah, the second one. I do believe the

664
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 5: first one is there. I just don't know if it's

665
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 5: not open, is it. I don't think it's open.

666
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

667
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: Guys, go down there tonight. Yeah, it's time to reopen.

668
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: Let's egg it. Well that was just my sorry, that

669
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: was just my idea.

670
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 5: I don't know too.

671
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: I was just going to ask in all of this then,

672
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: is was it after your drivetime radio show that you

673
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: started thinking about doing a podcast network or how did

674
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: that come into playing?

675
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 5: So I had the podcast, like the Flagship Show, that

676
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: was all taped, and so I had made the deal

677
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 5: for the network all in a year prior the show

678
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 5: that's the Flagship Show is called. What had happened was

679
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 5: where I sit down with like a hip hop legend

680
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 5: for a season and interview them about, you know, their

681
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 5: big projects. So that was a podcast that I piloted

682
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 5: at another network and they ended up passing on it

683
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 5: but reverting the rights back to me, and I just

684
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: really it's like the kind of thing where I just

685
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: I knew that the concept would hit based on the

686
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 5: people who love that music, and even though they didn't

687
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 5: see the value in it, they didn't see how they

688
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 5: could sell ads on it. I knew like, oh no,

689
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 5: this could be something. So then I had the invitation

690
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 5: to start a network with Starburns and took it over

691
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 5: there and we kind of built our thing together from there.

692
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: So awesome.

693
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember you tweeting about that and it was

694
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: probably like it was probably two years after we started

695
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: our network, where it was just like I was, you know,

696
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: I think I said congratulations to or whatever, but what

697
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: I really wanted to say is.

698
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 4: Like, get ready. Get ready.

699
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it's like it's a real thing,

700
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like but it's such

701
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: a great I mean, for me personally, it's such a

702
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 3: thrill to be in this business because it's like it's

703
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: kind of cutting edge. It's definitely different than everything we've

704
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: done before, and every kind of way things have been

705
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: done before. And it just feels like it's the one

706
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: area of show business where creators really can have the

707
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: agency and control.

708
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have to ask anybody anything, like as

709
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 5: long as you can press record, you know, like can

710
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 5: literately do whatever you want. If you believe in something,

711
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 5: you can make it and try to sell it. And yeah,

712
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 5: I mean there's there's just no upward limit to the

713
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 5: options you have as a creator in this field. I'm

714
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 5: still trying to figure it out though, Like I still

715
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 5: don't know how any of this shit works business wise,

716
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 5: but like, but you know, it's it's it's certainly fun

717
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 5: so far. And I've assembled like a collection of shows

718
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 5: that I really really believe in a lot, So we'll

719
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 5: kind of see where it goes from here.

720
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you when you're started by uh, were you

721
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: kind of making fun of the drive time radio, like

722
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: the kind of radio you have to do at six

723
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: in the morning to promote something, because that's Karen, that's

724
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: our favorite game to welcome back to the Bean and

725
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: the Dumb Girl. Did you want to that game?

726
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 5: Oh?

727
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: No, I don't know. I don't know how to.

728
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: The freeway connection coming up.

729
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm a guy I'm a Chicago

730
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 5: kid and I grew up listening to Man Cow, so like,

731
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 5: I have a special place in my heart for that stuff.

732
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 5: But I didn't really I didn't riff on that theme

733
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 5: so much as I just like wanted to program an

734
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: hour sure. No, so like I just kind of rolled

735
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: with with the with the drive Time name for that.

736
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it would have been a mistake to mimick it.

737
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I know that that's.

738
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 4: No one wants it.

739
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: That's what I want to do, is all. That's all.

740
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: And so it's just coincidence that is Baron Van a

741
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Chicago comic.

742
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 5: No, he is from Las Vegas originally.

743
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, I that's from Las Vegas.

744
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 5: That's that's not a real place at all.

745
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: It's not a place to be from.

746
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: That is so property Brothers of him to be from,

747
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: that's insane.

748
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god. What I performed in Vegas Open Him

749
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: for Daniel Toush and Hannibal did a guest set and

750
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: the we turned and the Property Brothers. I didn't know

751
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: anything about them, but they were both in there with

752
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: their shoulders were touching, and they kind of hovered into

753
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: the room. Do you want to play Danny? And they

754
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: both had these girlfriends that looked like sisters really, and

755
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: I I backed out of the room. I couldn't remember.

756
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Hannibal and I were both freaked out by the property brothers.

757
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: They were like that, they were like the VIPs.

758
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, show Yeah, And they came in and and

759
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: uh and Daniel made fun of him and said they

760
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: slept in a bunk bed and then they left. It

761
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: was like a but Hannal was in the room.

762
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

763
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: They bought the place, fired him, Yeah, yeah, hired themselves.

764
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's probably why I haven't worked there since

765
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: they owned the Mirage or whatever it was. That's right,

766
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just assume Hannimal's Chicago. I wondered if

767
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: you were in the comedy scene back then, But it's

768
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: interesting that you stumbled on it at UCB. I didn't

769
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: know that.

770
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was just a fan of comedy before before

771
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: that really and not always been like a huge fan

772
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 5: of it. But I'd never I never realistically thought that

773
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 5: there was a way I'd be connected to it at

774
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 5: all as funny.

775
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

776
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: Uh, well, it just made me think because Chris and

777
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: I have talked.

778
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: A lot on this show, where which before.

779
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 3: Quarantine, I think we were both very like you know, happy,

780
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: grateful or whatever for like comedy festivals and those kinds

781
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: of comedy hangs were you And during Quarantine and doing

782
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: the show, we talk about it like it was pure heaven,

783
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: Like remember that one you're at Bridgetown when you put

784
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: a refrigerator box on and you fought yourself in the

785
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: street where it's like it's like these hilarious memories which

786
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: I think I have always taken for granted because comedy

787
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: is like I was always a fan and I loved it,

788
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: and then I got to do it, and then like it,

789
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: I was in it for the hanging out Like I

790
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: never I was always like, well, I can do a set,

791
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: but it seems like the audience, I don't know, like

792
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 3: it always seemed hard, but it was the hangout part

793
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: was so worth it that we I don't know, just

794
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: the festival element or like the culture and the community

795
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: vibe of comedy is just so like enlivening it is

796
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: and I never appreciated it like I did sitting in

797
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: my house alone for a year and a half, where

798
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: it's just like, yeah, that really is a.

799
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 4: Very nurturing thing.

800
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 5: It gives you a lot, ye know, it's funny. So

801
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 5: I was talking about I was on a tour last

802
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 5: year and the world shut down in the middle of

803
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 5: the tour. And you know, the first way that I

804
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 5: knew that shit was real was that they canceled south

805
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 5: By Southwest. I was likening because never fucking like people

806
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 5: die south By Southwest and keep it going. Yeah yeah, yeah, cars,

807
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 5: people get kidnapped. Big.

808
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: I was on that street from the people that God,

809
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: I was.

810
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: Lost in line and then I walked away going, I'm

811
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: not gonna wait for X when I can hear them

812
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: right here, and then the car turned up the street.

813
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 5: Holy cow, Yeah I was. I was on a tour

814
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: and we were driving into Austin as that happened, like

815
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 5: that was wow. Yeah yeah. So you know, I talk

816
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 5: about that south By being canceled usually because that was

817
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 5: like I was gonna make a lot of money down

818
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 5: there doing a bunch of things and so like it

819
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 5: was a big blow to me financially. But I also

820
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 5: know in my heart that I that I was, I

821
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 5: was set on that Sixth Street experience with with like

822
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 5: in my world, that's like them the comedians, the musicians,

823
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 5: like it's always such hang and it's like an epic hang.

824
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: It's like a it's used the word nurturing like it's

825
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 5: it's that kind of thing where like there's I got

826
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 5: buddies of mine that I still pick on about stuff

827
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 5: they did in the green room of it's like two

828
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 5: years ago. You know, it's but you're you're you're spot

829
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 5: on about that, Like that's that's a big part of

830
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 5: what's been missing and coming from, especially like underground Wrap,

831
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 5: Like we don't have that. We really don't have that.

832
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 5: There's not enough of a there's not enough really there's

833
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 5: not enough success in it for there to be that

834
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 5: sort of community, Like we don't have events where we

835
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 5: all come together typically. So finding that community in the

836
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 5: comedy world has been like secretly big for me.

837
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's lovely, you find you find it way more

838
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: like a friend group and nurturing among other comics and

839
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: everything that maybe isn't in the hip hop.

840
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 5: Because there's it's just hard to like that. There's there's

841
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 5: there's luminaries and independent hip hop, but it's there were

842
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 5: very rarely all brought together for any reason. Like everybody's

843
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 5: kind of scrapping and scraping by on their own and

844
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: and people are doing their own gigs, and it's just

845
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 5: it's just not very often that we're able to experience

846
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 5: each other where, you know, in comedy like you know,

847
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 5: we would do We did New Negroes once a month

848
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 5: at uc B. The green room was a community hang

849
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 5: people all sorts of people that weren't on the show

850
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 5: would just come hang out, like and that's that. That's that.

851
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't get that from the hip hop world,

852
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: Like I just at least my station in it, that

853
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 5: wasn't something that was able to well.

854
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: Hip hop is supposed to be competitive for some reason.

855
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: There's always this like like you're in a battle with

856
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: the next or not. I'm not talking about battle rapping

857
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: or whatever.

858
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 5: It is, you know, just the ego thing. But it's funny.

859
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 5: I experienced that in comedy as well.

860
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, that's all it is in comedy.

861
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

862
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: I guess it's funnier. It's funnier, there's a way to

863
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: hang with it.

864
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: I never if someone's I I don't put up with

865
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: a lot. Maybe I'm not. I don't know. It seems

866
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: like I just don't like roast type battle comedy, and that,

867
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: of course done better is a is a battle rap, uh,

868
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: because you also have to rhyme usually. I don't know,

869
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: it's just that whole element.

870
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 3: Uh.

871
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: I just want to be friends.

872
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 5: You guys, Me too, man, I bring to friends vibes too,

873
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 5: in both worlds. I'm not I'm not roasting nobody. I'm

874
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: not bad anybody, do you not?

875
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: You're probably good at battle rapping.

876
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, I came up. That's that was my start

877
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: in rap, was battling. I did battles before I ever

878
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 5: even Yeah, wrote songs like that's just you always feature

879
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 5: feel bad.

880
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: I would feel bad even if it was a good

881
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: joke or a funny ride.

882
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 5: I would feel bad as a young person, and I

883
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: was ruthless.

884
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: We used to.

885
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: I remember that. Somebody reminded me once because we had

886
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 5: a friend group in my high school and we were

887
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 5: all like the rapper, breakdancer, graffiti guys. Everybody knew we wrapped.

888
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 5: And it was one day where like we were just

889
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 5: like on the train in Chicago, like battling our female

890
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 5: friends like for no reason, and somebody told me something

891
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: awful I said about one of them, and I was like, God,

892
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 5: it's terrible. But I thought about it, and I remember

893
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 5: at that moment, I was so pleased that I came

894
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 5: up with this clever, awful thing to say. You know,

895
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 5: but that's just that was just I don't know, that

896
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 5: was the only thing I cared about at the time.

897
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the name of the game. I mean, like

898
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: it's it's almost like, yeah, it's just it's high level

899
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: wordplay and then kind of like social bravery because it's

900
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: like I'm about to ream you right now, and I

901
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 3: also know you're going to try to do the same

902
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: thing to me, and I trust myself that I can

903
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: think of like the metaphor that's actually going to be funny, accurate,

904
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: you know, those accurate ones are the greatest when you

905
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: you know whatever.

906
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's a one that I very much relate to.

907
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: Like if it's a great insult, then hurt feelings be damned,

908
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 3: because I look at my accomplishment like that's my entire life.

909
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, I'm not proud about how specifically mean I

910
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: know I can be. Yeah I don't. It doesn't feel good.

911
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 5: I certainly I certainly could not like the things I

912
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 5: used to say in battles back then. I don't think

913
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 5: I'd have the energy to do stuff like that now

914
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 5: at all. I don't think I'd be able to look

915
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 5: myself in the mirror say say mean rhyming things to

916
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 5: people the way I used to very easily.

917
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 4: It gets you.

918
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: It's an engine. It gets you places you know you

919
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: can do it. Then you have it in your back pocket,

920
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 3: but you don't better to not use than use. But yeah,

921
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of the maybe the I always think

922
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: of Bridgetown in that the year where there it was

923
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: like in a where the after party was in a

924
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: warehouse area, so you kind of had to like travel there,

925
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: and it seemed like it was very it had a

926
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: real mad Max feel to it, where you're.

927
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 4: Just like, sorry, are we gonna walk out of here

928
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: at three am?

929
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 6: Like where are we had like a dirt floor or

930
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 6: something to there's different.

931
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just remember the one year I went where famously,

932
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: I was in a car. Everyone had done mushrooms and

933
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: I jokingly said, because we're just going around there, go

934
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: down this street on the railroad tracks. I announced that

935
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: there was railroad tracks, and this car drove on the

936
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: railroad tracks high centered on the railroad ties, and then

937
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: we were stuck and I look down and it's an

938
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: active down the tracks. There was lights blinking and everything

939
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: so on on much Okay, I was on not t

940
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: rooms too.

941
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: Oh h, thank you, thank you for being ho I was.

942
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: I took a lot of them, you guys, but I

943
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: calmly without panicking in a way I think I would

944
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: have panicked more of a sober found the party, grabbed

945
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: fifteen people and brought them back to the car, and

946
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: we lifted the car. Oh my god, swiveled enough of

947
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: the car off the tracks to where it just kind

948
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: of pinned the wheels so made the matter worse. And

949
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: the cops came and they had guns out, but they

950
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: were like, I'm not kidding. The cops were like, they

951
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: saw the group. They saw that clearly it was the

952
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: most eclectic group of people because there was girls in

953
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: poodle skirts that were in some sketch. You know. It's

954
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: just like, these are a group of people that are

955
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: all helping this car. I'm going to put this gun away,

956
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: and they but they had to call the train people

957
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: and make them stop the train.

958
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: Gosh.

959
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was insane. And the next guy, that

960
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: guy was just he was driving. He was sober, by

961
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: the way, he was just driving around. His car was fine,

962
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: but they had to stop a train, it would have

963
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: hit the car.

964
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 5: That's not like a real nightmare on mushrooms because and

965
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 5: you feel like the everything in the world as bad

966
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 5: as your fault, like on you.

967
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: I discovered that no, just saying the wrong thing in

968
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: a green room is horrifying on mushrooms. When when shit

969
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: hits the fan, all of a sudden, you're at a

970
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: heightened performance ability or that's what I experienced, and then

971
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: an hour later I'm jumping into dumpster or what all

972
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: my stories about being fun at Bridgetown, let me know.

973
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: I was an alcoholic and so during quarantine I'm like, yeah,

974
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: maybe I don't need to be doing that stuff, diving

975
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: into it.

976
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, though, I will miss it.

977
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: It's a forty weekend and you're never gonna you know,

978
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: you're probably you'll see these people again.

979
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: But they don't care.

980
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: Am I bleeding the next day? Bleeding? Oh yeah, I

981
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: was punching that garbage in a jump I forgot well

982
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: to make people clap what it's for?

983
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: I remember that that same year in the warehouse one

984
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: it was like there was something. It was when someone's

985
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 3: manager was trying to DJ instead of April or Chip

986
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: and so the music.

987
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 4: What Hey fucking Wire.

988
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: It was like he was trying to do interesting radio

989
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: head B sides on the dance floor.

990
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 4: Everyone's like, what are you doing?

991
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: Like we're ruining, and so of course everyone's like trying

992
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: to come on to their drugs or whatever. So I

993
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: went outside because I was it was like this, I'm

994
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 3: starting to get too much of that anxiety of like

995
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: CNB seen where I can do it a little bit

996
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: for like ten minutes or say hi, and then suddenly

997
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: I'm just like I need to be in a dark

998
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: corner smoking something, or like just being separate and being

999
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: like those you know, Gothy whatever. And so Howard Kramer

1000
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: and I were outside smoking and trying to like just

1001
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: be a little bit away, and then we heard that

1002
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 3: train come because the train was literally behind the warehouse

1003
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: we were in, and so we were stone out of

1004
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: our minds and then it was like, oh in the distance.

1005
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: And I go, Howard train, and we both just started

1006
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 4: running and we fucking ran down to watch the.

1007
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: Train go by, and it was like that kind of

1008
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: it was just a very it like I love when

1009
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: comedy because sometimes it can be so painful and so

1010
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: lonely and so like why am I doing this to myself?

1011
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 4: Like what's the end result?

1012
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: But then when you get everybody together that's doing the

1013
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: same thing to themselves and to like let off some steam,

1014
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: there's like those moments where you're like it's the greatest

1015
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 3: you know, summer camp vibe or whatever, where it's like

1016
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: truly people having the best time, the best sets, and

1017
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: then like the best party afterwards.

1018
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 5: It's amazing that those parties ever end. Like that's like

1019
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 5: we're all fighting for that moment, you know, we get it,

1020
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 5: and I'm like, wait a minute, how did people go home?

1021
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 5: Like why why do people go home?

1022
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: It was like Peanuts gang. There's no parents. We're just

1023
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: dancing in a warehouse.

1024
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: You're just hoping there's somebody can get at least one

1025
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: uber to start coming down there, because that was one

1026
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: thing too. When it finally did and it was like

1027
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: three in the morning, and we're just like, yeah, all

1028
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: the ubers cost two hundred dollars or you know what

1029
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: I mean, like or they won't come to this the

1030
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 3: River District wherever.

1031
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the warehouse stabbing area. Please come pick me

1032
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: up at the stabbing docs. I love that.

1033
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: I figured out yet again another way to like a

1034
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 3: wax poetic about festivals. I really I'm having like that,

1035
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: like you know, these are the days of our lives.

1036
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 4: Thing about it where.

1037
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 3: It's like what's beautiful is because it feels like at

1038
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: this point, it's like it's been so long it feels

1039
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: like it's never gonna happen again.

1040
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1041
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm afraid for it to happen again, even though

1042
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 5: I want it real bad. Yeah, I really, I don't know.

1043
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm not going to know what to

1044
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 5: do with myself. Yep.

1045
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: Yes, because even though we're all vaccinated, it's like, well

1046
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: that's not a ticket to just act normal. You can

1047
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: still get this. Yeah, it's hard to know. Are you

1048
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: going on tour? Do you have like dates coming?

1049
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 5: I have dates in September? Yeah, and that that whole thing,

1050
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 5: the whole thing feels where like you know, so I

1051
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 5: start putting computers together during the damn pandemic, I started

1052
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 5: like trying to learn how to cook and shit, you

1053
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 5: know what I didn't do work on my set? Yeah,

1054
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 5: nothing new?

1055
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: Well, of course, I mean, do you how much of

1056
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: your writing is literally writing it out it? If you're

1057
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: anything like me, you have to be doing it on stage.

1058
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: That's more than fifty sets for me, it's like eighty

1059
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: percent in point.

1060
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm I'm, I'm typically I'm not quite

1061
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 5: wired that way like I. You do write it all out, Yeah,

1062
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 5: everything's all written out, And you know, I'm always working

1063
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 5: towards like albums, so if I have some new songs,

1064
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 5: it's just stuff that I'm trying to refine or you know,

1065
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 5: test out. But you know, most of my work is

1066
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 5: done at home, and I didn't do any like I

1067
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 5: just started making songs like in the last two months.

1068
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was hard to be inspired. Yeah, I

1069
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: mean too. I got into cooking and making miniature houses

1070
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: and stuff, golf and things that don't help my career.

1071
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 5: At all, exactly.

1072
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm seventeen again.

1073
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 3: Mike, when you're when you have your first set again,

1074
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: don't forget your great line from the Tiny Desk concert,

1075
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 3: how's everyone doing this afternoon? You could don't forget you've

1076
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: written on the fly before. I'm just saying you're a

1077
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: bit waiting for you.

1078
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 5: Because it might not be It probably won't be afternoon

1079
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 5: at that point, so I can't say that line exactly.

1080
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 4: No, you've got a bang on it. That's the job

1081
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 4: that my part.

1082
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 5: Do you know what my favorite line that I said

1083
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 5: that day was is that it smells like so many

1084
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 5: different kinds of soup in here. Because it did.

1085
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: It did.

1086
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 5: Everybody was eating their lunch per formant. It was great.

1087
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: That is a set that looks like it would smelling soup.

1088
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 5: It You imagine jobs getting.

1089
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 3: Some smugs quiet, quiet soup, SIPs of soup.

1090
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 4: In your desk.

1091
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: Yourrd's logo sh just be a steaming mug of anything.

1092
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 3: God, I can't wait for live shows again. Wait, so

1093
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: are you you're going on tour? Because I saw that

1094
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 3: you're gonna play at the Echo Plex, right I.

1095
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: Am, yeah, Oh that's down my street.

1096
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 5: Yeah I missed that place too. It's just in my

1097
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 5: head is a really giant cavern, and I don't know

1098
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 5: how we're going to find enough people to put in it.

1099
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I tried to go on the website and

1100
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: it's I couldn't figure it.

1101
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to hear their opening because it's been

1102
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: boarded up. Everything else in Echo Park seems to have

1103
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: opened up to a point that makes me uncomfortable, But

1104
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm willing to risk it to go to the Echo

1105
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: or the Echo Plex.

1106
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I miss those places so much, like such

1107
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 5: a formative part of my like LA performing experience. Like

1108
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 5: it's like, wow, I don't even know. Yeah, it's going

1109
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 5: to be interesting for me in twenty twenty one to

1110
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 5: intersect with that place again, just even see what that

1111
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 5: feels like.

1112
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: And when you're on tour, are you do you do

1113
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: like you're in a bus or do you are you

1114
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 3: separate flying or is it like a big old group

1115
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: touring around every time?

1116
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 5: It's different And we haven't worked out all the travel

1117
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 5: details of this one, but I think there's only gonna

1118
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 5: be like five people total performing, so we're probably gonna

1119
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 5: try to do like a minivan situation. Yes, and you

1120
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 5: know the whole like the old school traditional drive all

1121
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 5: day thing and get there and sound check that sort

1122
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: of thing. Like I've done the bus thing a few

1123
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 5: times when I've like opened for bigger acts. That shit

1124
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 5: is incredible. Well it's not even just it's it's the

1125
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 5: it's the time, like because when you do the bus,

1126
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 5: you all load up the bus after the show, and

1127
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 5: then the bus you know, like the driver's been sleeping

1128
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 5: all day, so you just drive all night to the

1129
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 5: next town. Uh, you wake up, you're there already. Yeah,

1130
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 5: you can actually like enjoy the city. You can get

1131
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 5: a bagel, you can walk around the town square, like,

1132
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 5: you can do all of this stuff that like we

1133
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 5: never get to do. Wa we never get to experience

1134
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 5: a place when we drive all day and we get there,

1135
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: it's like time to work. So luckily, like if we're lucky,

1136
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 5: we get to even like stop at the hotel. But typically, yeah,

1137
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 5: we don't get to enjoy it much.

1138
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny how much of tour. I'm going to

1139
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: Portland that next month, and I'm nervous for a number

1140
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: of reasons. But I sometimes don't look forward to doing

1141
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: stand up and then I arrived there and I'm like, oh,

1142
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: this is this is great. I just don't look forward

1143
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: to flying. I don't like the travel logistics. That's what

1144
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: I never will look forward to. If you could take

1145
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: that away, it would be the best. I need to

1146
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: get a bus, is what I'm saying.

1147
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 4: I love the idea.

1148
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: I have always like had a very romantic notion of

1149
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: the bus because it, first of all, to me, it's

1150
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 3: like what musicians, how musicians do it?

1151
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1152
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, it like I love the idea of.

1153
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: Keeping everybody together because it's the same festival vibe. But

1154
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: it is like, you know, whether you're it's business or

1155
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 3: you're just watching TV or or whatever, but you're still

1156
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: kind of it's like still the group.

1157
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: Paying it is.

1158
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 4: I think it's like that's so fun.

1159
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: Do you sleep in bunks and then you sleeping you

1160
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: sleep in like fucking coffins man summer. That's great.

1161
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 5: It's tight. It's really it really is dope, Like it

1162
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 5: really is dope, like that common area like during the

1163
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 5: drive and like you know, somebody's playing beach so somebody's

1164
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 5: playing PlayStation and you know, like you know, it's it's

1165
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 5: it is the communal thing, and it's on wheels and

1166
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 5: it's and you know, you're just waiting to stop and

1167
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 5: get a coffee somewhere and get back on the bus.

1168
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 5: Like it's just really nice, really nice. That's the good ship.

1169
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: Is there any plans to ever do more Project Blowed

1170
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: stuff like with Acy alone and those guys do you

1171
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: talk to them? Are they your friends?

1172
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 5: We get together at least once a year. We have

1173
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 5: an anniversary a party slash show that we do over

1174
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 5: here in the Mert Park there's always like the biggest

1175
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 5: dopest like family reunion every year. And there's there's something

1176
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 5: I talked to him more than others, Like I talked

1177
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 5: to Abstract Rude a lot and Mike and nine a lot,

1178
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 5: you know, like and those are just like my big homies.

1179
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 5: And I'll and I'll do whatever anything he asked me anytime,

1180
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 5: I'll do.

1181
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: See. Yeah, that of those guys that make I nerd

1182
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: out so much thinking about you being friends with them,

1183
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: because like I said that, that that and the fire

1184
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: Side and you know that everything that nineteen ninety three

1185
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: era of me loving all that stuff.

1186
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 5: Did you see Gift of Gab passed away today? Did

1187
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 5: you see that?

1188
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: I did not see that.

1189
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 5: Yeah he did. Black Delicious is oh no gap passed

1190
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 5: away today?

1191
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love Black Delicious.

1192
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, They're amazing. He was an incredible writer and rapper,

1193
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 5: you know. So rest in peace. Yeah, come too soon.

1194
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 5: Like so many others, so many others. This year, it's

1195
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: been really bad. Yeah, it's been really.

1196
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has been.

1197
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: That's why I think live performance experiences for both the

1198
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: performers and for the audiences are going to be so important.

1199
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: It is like that these are the feelings people you know,

1200
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 3: like want to get when they go to those shows.

1201
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: It's it's people are needing full on injections of like

1202
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: positive up, you know, kind of like high vibe energy

1203
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: because there's just been it's just been like a series.

1204
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 4: Of surprise terrible early.

1205
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 3: Deaths or just shock or just the fucking the after

1206
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: effect of the Trump chaos where every day I was

1207
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 3: just like, this can't go anywhere but so much what

1208
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: like we're gonna spin out, Like this is all getting

1209
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: so insane, and it's like we all finally landed, rested

1210
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: now we're all kind of like coming to terms, and

1211
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 3: then it's like people need escape.

1212
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

1213
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 4: I feel like it's.

1214
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 3: Teed up so nicely for big ship, like good big

1215
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 3: ship at the Echoplex. I want to stand in the

1216
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: echo flex and listen to people fucking scream at the

1217
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 3: top of their lungs.

1218
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, making out with wallpaper for each other, garbage.

1219
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1220
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get into another trash can and

1221
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: dance with wood with nails in it.

1222
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 5: When and when are you doing that show you're whining

1223
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 5: that's in September. The date on that one is Septimber.

1224
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 5: I think eighteenth.

1225
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to be there, and so is Karen. Karen,

1226
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: you're coming. Yeah, absolutely was the nineteenth.

1227
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, so the nineteenth.

1228
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: What's your website? I mean, mama as well? Do these

1229
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: conclusionary things?

1230
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:51,439
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah?

1231
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: Is there?

1232
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 3: Well? Wait, is there any last topic that we haven't

1233
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 3: hit a play like that you'd like to discuss.

1234
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 5: I don't have nothing in mind. Sure, I'm just roll

1235
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 5: with the breeze.

1236
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: Well, I hope we were windy enough.

1237
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 4: A lot of winds. That's the one thing we can't guarantee.

1238
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're You're the coolest and nice and it was

1239
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: really cool to have you on.

1240
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 5: Man, it's pleasure. It's great to talk to you.

1241
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell a c alone high high for me.

1242
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 6: Okay, whether I met highs, don't do it, don't do it,

1243
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 6: forget about it.

1244
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the Virgil. Yeah, you were probably at

1245
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: the Virgil that night. It was like, oh god, I

1246
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: mean it was ten years ago, but it was.

1247
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 5: Is it back when they had the when he was

1248
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 5: doing the Weekly over there? Yeah?

1249
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was as serious. And who's the Vermont the

1250
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: grouch guy, the I don't know. There was a bunch

1251
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: of I don't know. It was a great night, but

1252
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: uh yeah, maybe you were there. I don't know.

1253
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 5: I didn't know you. I used to be over there

1254
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 5: as much as I could in that era. I was

1255
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 5: like helping them put that on and like, yeah, doing

1256
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 5: design stuff and all of that. Man, I was that.

1257
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 5: That was my part of my formative years here in

1258
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 5: the city.

1259
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: Oh cool, well Virgil with their signature cocktails and they're

1260
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 3: copper mugs to drink things, or just like, really, guys,

1261
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: you're all and you're all wearing suspenders.

1262
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: Okay.

1263
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: I love the suspenders and the old timey tap histories

1264
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: behind you.

1265
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 5: I just having to walk through the stage to get

1266
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 5: to the yeah.

1267
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the stage. I used to get really self

1268
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 3: conscious and.

1269
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 4: I realized this stage is sized.

1270
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: Down like one quarter. Like I normally don't walk on

1271
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 3: a stage.

1272
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: In my head brushes, it's walk stage.

1273
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a complete it's like a it's like a

1274
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 3: grammar school performance stage.

1275
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 4: It is the I don't like this.

1276
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: I do the sync in sync. It's up and try stage.

1277
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 3: It is.

1278
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: You thought I wouldn't talk about in sync.

1279
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 4: Maybe you got it in there. You always have to

1280
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 4: sneak those assholes in here.

1281
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always sneaking in the sink. Well yeah, thanks,

1282
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for being on Mike, Thanks for having me.

1283
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: It's great.

1284
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: And Mike's podcast network Stony Island Audio, Corn Island Audio.

1285
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: Yep, that's us and your album again.

1286
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 5: With Anime, Trauma and Divores, and that is the most

1287
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 5: current album. That is the most recent one.

1288
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean I'm not pushing prep. There isn't

1289
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: one new where's the new stuff?

1290
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 4: It seems like I haven't written.

1291
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: Breaking away on it though, making all sorts of stuff

1292
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 5: that I can't tell is good or not.

1293
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: Well, I think I use your words. I think when

1294
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: I say thank you for fucking with us? Absolutely absolutely delightful, delightful.

1295
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: Indeed you've been listening to Do you need a ride?

1296
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 5: D y n A R?

1297
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: Are you leaving on?

1298
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 4: You want your way back home?

1299
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: Either way we want to be there, doesn't matter how

1300
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: much baggage you claim, and give us time and a

1301
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: termino and Gaby, we want to send you off InStyle.

1302
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 4: You wanna welcome you back home?

1303
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: Tell us all about it.

1304
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 4: We scared her?

1305
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: Was it fine?

1306
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: Malcorn?

1307
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?

1308
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 4: Do you need to ride?

1309
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride?

1310
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 4: Do you need to ride.

1311
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride?

1312
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 3: Do you need do you need to ride?

1313
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 4: Do you mean.

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Speaker 1: With Karen and Chris.

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Speaker 3: Mhm.

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Speaker 1: I was just trying to show off mouthhorn to mic.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at mouth horn