Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Selectio Elliot and now your hosts Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman and Brian brought us boris the Draft Show
Speaker 1: here from Mobile, Alabama. We have the early version of
Speaker 1: the Draft show going on today. We usually go at
Speaker 1: six pm, but because of the weather here in Mobile,
Speaker 1: the rains have forced us to go inside. There we go,
Speaker 1: right lights, bright lights, big city. Absolutely, that's David Hellman,
Speaker 1: I'm Brian Brauns. Dane's the Brugler. I'll tell you we're
Speaker 1: having all kinds of fun already here though. As we
Speaker 1: were saying, though, first time guys. Since nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: I've been coming to the practices here in Mobile, Alabama,
Speaker 1: and I've not been able to see a practice because
Speaker 1: of weather. Don't Why are you lying to our listeners, Brian,
Speaker 1: We haven't practice on the team we have here. We
Speaker 1: do have practice on thank you. ESPN is Yes they're
Speaker 1: showing if you you're kind of falling along, yes you
Speaker 1: can you can watch us, but you can also watch
Speaker 1: on ESPN. You Uh, this was something that again the
Speaker 1: weather here in Mobile, Alabama. The rains on percent chance
Speaker 1: pouring down rain less on us right now. Dan Briggler
Speaker 1: had to do uh some some work down the down
Speaker 1: the street, hustled over here real quick to get to
Speaker 1: be a part of this. Will appreciate your brother. It's
Speaker 1: it's wet out. It's uh, there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a downpour going on. Certain understand why they canceled. I
Speaker 1: mean it's been raining all day, Uh for safety reasons.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people are gonna blame. Well,
Speaker 1: it's ESPN and if a network's fall right, you know,
Speaker 1: it's been raining all day the fields and no condition
Speaker 1: to be playing. Hopefully tomorrow it's supposed to be dry,
Speaker 1: but hopefully the field will be in good condition tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You have to worry about these players, Dave, come here
Speaker 1: with the opportunity to showcase for this is way different
Speaker 1: than if it was a Thursday or a Wednesday getting
Speaker 1: ready for a football game. Right. These guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: and they are technically, but it's right. These guys are
Speaker 1: here basically out of the goodness of their heart to
Speaker 1: try to improve their draft stock. The last thing the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl wants to do is have somebody tear something
Speaker 1: in a practice that is not for a competitive game.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it completely makes sense. Yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: talked last night about how much better attendance has been
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. How's it going to affect
Speaker 1: attendance if one of your star and attendees tears his
Speaker 1: achilles on a wet field, No, no thing, And we've
Speaker 1: been talking about how yesterday we talked about it, how
Speaker 1: this year we've had fewer dropouts, higher level of talent.
Speaker 1: All it takes is for Montez Sweat to slide right
Speaker 1: into a bleachers and break his leg right, and then
Speaker 1: next year talk about some of the first round, second
Speaker 1: round players saying, I don't know if that Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: is really for me. I think they'll take my chances
Speaker 1: go to the combine that kind of thing. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you see our eyes kind of darting at you and
Speaker 1: then over, Yeah, we've got that. We've got it on
Speaker 1: right here to our right. Shouts out to ESPN because
Speaker 1: they told us last night. Yeah, we got emails. Yeah. Clearly,
Speaker 1: the indoor, as you would expect, is a lot smaller
Speaker 1: than lad People's stadium, So they didn't think they were
Speaker 1: in South Alabama today home of Gerald ja Ja Jaguars,
Speaker 1: but Gerald Everett who's playing in the second. They were
Speaker 1: testing my mascot knowledge, No, I was testing, Yeah, absolutely testing.
Speaker 1: They play their home games at lad People's but they
Speaker 1: have a brand new, beautiful, but indoor facility. Nobody thought
Speaker 1: they'd be able to televise from the indoor, so this
Speaker 1: is this is great. Yeah, and the North practice is
Speaker 1: going on right now, so we are kind of again
Speaker 1: keeping it on that but we're gonna have this uh
Speaker 1: this show for you to day and just started, so
Speaker 1: they're just stretching, getting and so we got time as
Speaker 1: things as things kind of materialized, we'll kind of shout,
Speaker 1: shoot a glance over there and kind of talk about
Speaker 1: some things. You know, guys, yesterday, Dane, you talked about
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. Yeah, you know, and you talked about you know,
Speaker 1: you know when you when you look at when you
Speaker 1: look at the the kids that are here at the
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and the guys that you felt
Speaker 1: like that stood out. Yesterday you were talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: Wren being one of them from Arizona State, the Texas
Speaker 1: a and m kid uh Dale mac right talk a
Speaker 1: little bit more about though, you know Texas A and
Speaker 1: m has A has got another one. Yeah, who's the
Speaker 1: other one? Kingsley Key? Yeah Key. For the longest time,
Speaker 1: like up until this summer, I thought it was Kekey
Speaker 1: Kingsley right, And it was like kind of blew my
Speaker 1: mind and I realized it was the other way around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He coming into the year, he had the better career
Speaker 1: and higher trajectory than Dalen macd ma Right. Dale Mac
Speaker 1: was a big recruit, you know, high expectations. First three years.
Speaker 1: He didn't really live up to it. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: talking in September October, I'm you know, Keiki's the better prospect,
Speaker 1: but Dalen Maccas the season went on, senior season went on,
Speaker 1: it really kind of proved that he was, you know
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, someone will look at it and
Speaker 1: say one year wonder, but he's really hitting his stride
Speaker 1: and as long as the efforts there, you feel good
Speaker 1: about him projecting the next level. And he showed it
Speaker 1: here in yesterday's practice. How he's got that squatty lower
Speaker 1: body and even who I compared him to Wash mean,
Speaker 1: he's two three years ago. Member Javon Hargrave, South Carolina
Speaker 1: State absolutely and you got him in that, you got
Speaker 1: him in the Senior exactly he was. It was similar
Speaker 1: to his story by the way, Javon Hargrave with the
Speaker 1: Shrine Game live at the at the Shrine Game, A
Speaker 1: practices loved him, uh, and then at the Senior Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was Wednesday practice, Phil Savage we had
Speaker 1: when you get injured and say, hey, guys, I'm taking
Speaker 1: uh suggestions. Is their defensive tackle out there that should
Speaker 1: be here, deserves them here? We could fight, you know,
Speaker 1: proximity wise, we would fly him in. I told him, Okay,
Speaker 1: Javon Hargrave, I just saw him last week. I think
Speaker 1: he's practice or he's working out in Florida, you know,
Speaker 1: just a puddle jump from here, bring him over. That's
Speaker 1: what they did. Javon Haard Hargrave had a strong Thursday practice,
Speaker 1: strong rest of the process, and the Steelers took him
Speaker 1: in the third round. But that's how I think Dala
Speaker 1: knock who again, a guy came here and he's having
Speaker 1: a great week. I think he could. He's got that
Speaker 1: similar you know stout body's got the big bubble and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they play similar. So I think he's also
Speaker 1: working himself into being a possible top one hundred pick.
Speaker 1: And but Keiki, though, what do you kind of see
Speaker 1: with him? As far as you know, and we have
Speaker 1: some folks out there. In a a matter of fact, one
Speaker 1: of the Twitter questions I had today were some folks
Speaker 1: that were interested about these defensive tackles, especially from Texas
Speaker 1: A and M. With Keiki, I think he's when his
Speaker 1: first step doesn't work or that first move, he's kind
Speaker 1: of done. Yeah, he doesn't have the secondary measures, the
Speaker 1: calendar measures. That's what I want to see from him
Speaker 1: this week, hopefully is better hand use, better understanding of Okay,
Speaker 1: when this doesn't work out, I'm gonna do this, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, better job setting up blockers. So I want
Speaker 1: to see that from him. I can't see I saw
Speaker 1: it in yesterday's practice, but something to look forward to,
Speaker 1: you know, tomorrow and as we go forward. David Hellman
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, with what went on at the end
Speaker 1: of the season, defensive tackle an area you're going to
Speaker 1: look at. I think it's a no. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to call it a sneaky, big need. I think
Speaker 1: it's just a need. David Irving probably not coming back
Speaker 1: to this team even if he does, he's played. I
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, thank you. Um, Malie Collins is heading
Speaker 1: into a contract year, Antoine Woods a great, great story,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't add to the position because also
Speaker 1: coming off the injury and coming you know, had surgery
Speaker 1: right after the season was over. That's a good point. Um. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And see I think you know smartly. I think anybody
Speaker 1: that listens to this show is aware not to fall
Speaker 1: in love with a first round defensive tackle. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about that this year. True.
Speaker 1: Do you think second round too early for this team
Speaker 1: to see? That's why I want to I want to
Speaker 1: look I want to look at Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: second round. Sure, they found a guy on the street.
Speaker 1: Like you said, Malie Collins was pick sixty seven nine
Speaker 1: spots or eleven spots after uh no, nine spots after
Speaker 1: fifty eight. So I think it's plausible if you're watching
Speaker 1: along with us and then happen to have one eye
Speaker 1: on ESPN, you they are showing Will Greer, the quarterback
Speaker 1: from West Virginia. I want to get into some of
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, even though it's not a Dallas Cowboys need
Speaker 1: per se. I want to talk about some of these
Speaker 1: guys though, because we have fans from other teams that
Speaker 1: might be looking for quarterbacks, might be wondering how does
Speaker 1: Will Grier measure to some of the other guys we've
Speaker 1: kind of seen or are starting to see here in
Speaker 1: this draft process. Even if you're a Cowboys fan, what
Speaker 1: shapes a draft class quarterbacks? Yeah, so I thought you.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can have a full understanding of
Speaker 1: the way this all shapes up without having a good
Speaker 1: idea of where these quarterbacks are going. Flipping it back
Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the ball, the defensive tackle spot, Dane.
Speaker 1: Where Dexter Lawrence from Clemson? That's a good name. Why
Speaker 1: am I? Why am I struggling with Dexter Lawrence? And
Speaker 1: everybody tells me Dexter Lawrence is a hell of a
Speaker 1: football player. I mean I think he is. But value wise,
Speaker 1: impact wise, what where do you where do you draft him?
Speaker 1: Because he's not a great pass rusher. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't care what you've shown me, what stats you show me,
Speaker 1: he doesn't show on film. Yeah, that's the problem I'm
Speaker 1: having with him, David. It just it just impact. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm drafting a nose tackle, a
Speaker 1: one technique in the top you know, not to sound
Speaker 1: like you know Stephen Jones, Right, Yeah, it's just the
Speaker 1: Cowboys front office. Right. Well, I thought this way last
Speaker 1: year with Vita Vea. I wasn't high on him. No, No,
Speaker 1: you were. Again, if I'm drafting a defensive tackle on
Speaker 1: the top twenty twenty five, I need a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I need someone that's going to impact the pocket. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's great that you're a run stuff for us. Great
Speaker 1: you can occupy double teams and help others get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But if I'm gonna draft you because I
Speaker 1: can find those guys, I feel confident I can find
Speaker 1: those guys later. If I'm drafting you with a premium
Speaker 1: draft pick, you better give me just a little bit
Speaker 1: more than you know. Being a run stuffer and with
Speaker 1: dextra Lawrence, that's a big question. Can he give you more?
Speaker 1: I'm not sold that he can. That's why I am
Speaker 1: I top fifty list. He came in at like forty something,
Speaker 1: early forties, like forty two, something like that. Um, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. He it's a planet theory with him,
Speaker 1: There's only so many people on this planet. That looked
Speaker 1: like him. Yes, that's why Vita went as high as
Speaker 1: he did, Right, That's why this kid's probably gonna go
Speaker 1: in the top twenty twenty five picks. But I think
Speaker 1: we both agree that I don't know. There's just something
Speaker 1: missing there. There is something missing there. This is a
Speaker 1: familiar I mean, God, we've had this conversation more times
Speaker 1: than I can talk. But to go back to that
Speaker 1: point fifty eight is that too rich for I mean,
Speaker 1: it might be exactly he might be. You might be
Speaker 1: staring at him at fifty eight. You think he falls
Speaker 1: that far. I don't think he falls that far. Well.
Speaker 1: The question, okay, the question you have is though our
Speaker 1: team's going to not our team's going to dock him
Speaker 1: because of the up and down tape. No, because I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna believe in the traits. Um. I think
Speaker 1: you look at Vida Vea last year, at the Ron
Speaker 1: Payne last year. Those both those guys went what twelve
Speaker 1: and thirteen something like that. Sure, I think Dexter Lawrence
Speaker 1: is still going to go in the first round. I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised if he doesn't. Um, I don't see the value.
Speaker 1: I have my questions, but I still think he's gonna
Speaker 1: go high. Um, I mean, look at the playoff games
Speaker 1: comes and played. Did you see the big drop off
Speaker 1: on their defensive line. No, you mentioned that. No, you
Speaker 1: know you didn't see that, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I still think he's gonna go high, though, I will say,
Speaker 1: even at fifty eight, I still I think Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: is kind of mantra is gonna hold true. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine that they are going to draft a D tackle
Speaker 1: who doesn't have pass rush ability. I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I mean, even Malie Collins was a third round pick.
Speaker 1: He can rush the back. Okay, what about a Galley
Speaker 1: Jerry Tillery then from Notre Dame. I wish she was here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. I was told he was looking for some
Speaker 1: reasons not to be here. Yeah, he didn't really want
Speaker 1: to be here, which is kind of a red flag
Speaker 1: for me, right, added to the red flaglist with him. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you want to expand on that. I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of scouts that have some questions because he's
Speaker 1: just uh, because Notre Dame has put some guys in
Speaker 1: this league here. P Prett regularly last Notre Dame will
Speaker 1: always put guys in the league question um, especially them
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. I tell you, when you watch you watch
Speaker 1: Jerry Tillery's ten best plays from this year, you're gonna
Speaker 1: fall in love. I mean, you're gonna just buy in,
Speaker 1: uh with what he offers, that length, that athleticism. There's
Speaker 1: there's plenty to like about Jerry Tillery. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I worry about is he gonna bring me what?
Speaker 1: I you know that that juice day in day out.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have some questions there, scouts out questions.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's some character questions from Jerry Tillery
Speaker 1: that could push them how to the first round, maybe
Speaker 1: further than people think. There's a slider Dave give them. Hey,
Speaker 1: well yeah, whoa, whoa, we we almost got the wave.
Speaker 1: I like sliders, but I'm I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: guys that like to be here, and I'm yeah, that
Speaker 1: troubles me if somebody's not. Again, you want guys that
Speaker 1: want to compete, right right. That's that's me talking. But
Speaker 1: that's also a line, a big line under Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: You know they love guys that love football. Can I
Speaker 1: ask you guys a question? Sorry to Chris Rashard And
Speaker 1: how is that he going to affect, if at all,
Speaker 1: their defensive strategy with the draft in terms of defensive tackles,
Speaker 1: in terms of what corners they look at. Absolutely, safety. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: How do you think that affects fifty eight if at all? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it affects it quite a bit. Well also,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I you know, he's more established now
Speaker 1: and we got to see how it plays out. But
Speaker 1: in a few weeks, you know, maybe there's a title
Speaker 1: change or a little bit of a roll shift. But
Speaker 1: he was there from January of last year, so probably
Speaker 1: he did have a big stick for what he did
Speaker 1: with Byron Jones. Absolutely, he moved Byron Jones to corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was a part of those evaluations. So I
Speaker 1: think you will already kind of have a look at that,
Speaker 1: although you know, with what he did this year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say he'll have even more influenced.
Speaker 1: They might take his opinion a little more. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: his impact or his opinion might make a little more
Speaker 1: impact in draft meetings when they're stacking the draft board. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I think that's something pivot to corners that are here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the a good group of corners. If you're
Speaker 1: looking for tall, long guys who can run, starts with
Speaker 1: Isaiah Johnson from Houston, who thirty three and three quarter
Speaker 1: inch arms, which is silly for a corner He came
Speaker 1: in at six two and I think a quarter he's
Speaker 1: gonna run in the four fours of the combine. Dude
Speaker 1: can blaze. He's a former receiver. You know he has
Speaker 1: the ball skills. He's incredibly raw. But if you're talking
Speaker 1: about the traits, which is that's what we know teams
Speaker 1: look for, especially this team, size, length, speed, he has
Speaker 1: it in spades, and I think that he's a guy
Speaker 1: that needs to be on the radar. Maybe even at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. I think he's more of a third rounder.
Speaker 1: But for teams that really value you're picking at the
Speaker 1: back end of the draft, he's almost have to think
Speaker 1: around on these guys. We've said that a bunch here
Speaker 1: on the draft Jo. I'm just thinking it myself. It's
Speaker 1: funny because Christopher Shard is a probably a huge part
Speaker 1: of the reason why in twenty nineteen we're obsessed with
Speaker 1: tall cornerbacks with long arms. Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: He works for the Cowboys now, so That's a great point.
Speaker 1: Dane's absolutely right about Isaiah Johnson. If I go back
Speaker 1: and look at my notes on him, you know, this
Speaker 1: guy can jam, he can redirect, he can cover some
Speaker 1: ground when he runs to big tall wades on a speeds.
Speaker 1: Not a question, but I thought he need to be
Speaker 1: a bit more aware of the football. I thought there
Speaker 1: were some times where you know, when you when you
Speaker 1: start talking about him, you know where the ball is.
Speaker 1: You know, We've seen that with some of the cowboy
Speaker 1: you know, with a Woozier, with Byron Jones and those guys,
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it happens around the league too. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of teams out there to have cornerbacks that
Speaker 1: don't play with a lot of awareness though for where
Speaker 1: the ball is. Dane really messed me up when we
Speaker 1: did our first show. Because I love to think about
Speaker 1: draft needs. It's I spent I daydream about it, like
Speaker 1: when I'm putting my shoes on in the morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and cornerback hadn't even dawned on me. Really, Like d
Speaker 1: tackles out there, you get Aaron Jones were break it
Speaker 1: down and even further detail. The only cornerback on this
Speaker 1: team with a secure future right now is cheeto you
Speaker 1: got Byron coming into a contract year, Anthony Brown coming
Speaker 1: into a contract year. I think he has played well
Speaker 1: for what they've let him. Byron doesn't have a contract well,
Speaker 1: he does, he does right now. Right now he's playing
Speaker 1: on his fifth year. He's up. Yeah, Anthony Brown and
Speaker 1: Byron are both up after this upcoming season. Yeah. Jordan Lewis, again,
Speaker 1: I thought he played well in the spots they gave him,
Speaker 1: but he's clearly not favored here, probably because of Christopher
Speaker 1: Shard just from a size standpoint, and so all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, as good as the situation looks
Speaker 1: heading into twenty nineteen, it's pretty dicey after that, right.
Speaker 1: So I think it is something we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: talk about as we just trying to take a peek
Speaker 1: at what's going on there at the Jaguars at the
Speaker 1: South Alabama indoor practice facility. Is if you're watching us
Speaker 1: and and also watching the drills that they're kind of
Speaker 1: focusing on the defensive line. We talked about that a
Speaker 1: little earlier as we as we opened the show. Uh,
Speaker 1: They're they're running through the bags. It's something this is
Speaker 1: all pre practice stuff that we do, as you know
Speaker 1: when you watch practice when we're at training camp, things
Speaker 1: like that. They they run through all these drills get
Speaker 1: ready for the actually big part of practice where later
Speaker 1: you'll see the team period. We'll see some one on
Speaker 1: one stuff. We'll see some nine on seven, some seven
Speaker 1: on seven full pads today too, by the way, guys,
Speaker 1: so that's a that's a good sign, and we'll have
Speaker 1: some full pads on tomorrow as well. UM. Any other
Speaker 1: cornerbacks though, Dane that you know is Johnson, is Isaiah
Speaker 1: Johnson the best one that we can look forward to
Speaker 1: on the weekend as we watch these the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: game unfold. I think that Rocky sin from Temple is
Speaker 1: the best corner here. Okay, I think he's a top
Speaker 1: fifty guy. I don't think he'll be. And we talked
Speaker 1: about him a little last night. Yeah, he's a really
Speaker 1: good player. UM after him, I think that's when you
Speaker 1: there's some debate. Chris Boyd from Texas, Um, I think
Speaker 1: he's in that mix. Um, Lonnie Johnson from Kentucky. Right,
Speaker 1: there's some things missing in his game, but another guy, big, long,
Speaker 1: he can play, so he's gonna be in that mix.
Speaker 1: The Penn State kid. Yeah, So you know, I think
Speaker 1: there's we're all and we're talking about big, physical, long corners,
Speaker 1: all of them, and so they're kind of gonna be
Speaker 1: in the same mix and that right around fifty eight,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just right, where is that too
Speaker 1: early for them? If you wait till the third round?
Speaker 1: Can you still get a guy that you like? Um,
Speaker 1: that'll be the debate at fifty eight, because it's it's
Speaker 1: an interesting spot picking that late in this round. It is,
Speaker 1: and you know, we go back. You talk about Lonnie
Speaker 1: Johnson from Kentucky and I was looking just through my
Speaker 1: notes a guy for a tall guy, I thought he
Speaker 1: turned pretty well, you know, quick with his reactions. Felt
Speaker 1: it felt like he can close on the ball pretty well.
Speaker 1: But the thing I had, I didn't I didn't see
Speaker 1: deep speed, Dane. That was what I kind of worried about.
Speaker 1: I saw some separation there. I mean he billy staying
Speaker 1: route with and then all of a sudden at the end,
Speaker 1: there was a separation there. So we'll see if that
Speaker 1: carries over to the game this weekend as we get
Speaker 1: ready for the seventieth Senior Bowl Game here Immobile, Alabam Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our first break of the day. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to hit your Twitter questions here.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we get your questions answered. Again.
Speaker 1: We're keeping an eye on the practice that's going on
Speaker 1: on on ESPN right now, but we're going to focus
Speaker 1: in on some of your questions and we will do
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Speaker 1: on the Clock. We're back here on the Draft show
Speaker 1: from Mobile, Alabama. We are tour again a little bit
Speaker 1: earlier today because of the weather conditions here in Mobile,
Speaker 1: they had to go to the University of South Alabama
Speaker 1: for practice. The North team has already practice. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to Dame Brugler here in just a minute. He's
Speaker 1: going to tell us some highlights or things that were noted.
Speaker 1: We had cool reporters at the practice, so they were
Speaker 1: able to kind of type things up for us and
Speaker 1: give us a little bit of idea. We do have
Speaker 1: our eye on the television screen here where where the
Speaker 1: South team is practicing right now, if there's anything developing there. Again,
Speaker 1: they're going through their drills with their position coaches and stuff,
Speaker 1: and so kind of a kind of wish we were
Speaker 1: there watching these drills because it kind of gives you
Speaker 1: an idea about foot quickness and ability to turn and
Speaker 1: all that. So we'll watch the table later. Absolutely, we'll
Speaker 1: figure it all out. We'll figure it out, okay, real quick. Day.
Speaker 1: Before I get to the twitter on the twenty, I
Speaker 1: want to go with Dan, just give us a little
Speaker 1: bit of what happened, some things that happened at the
Speaker 1: early at the North practice this morning. So if you
Speaker 1: just little tidbitsum, we'll talk more in death later we
Speaker 1: get more details. But Donald Para, the that's intense. We
Speaker 1: talked about him last night six eight. He was injured.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how serious or not, Um, but he
Speaker 1: was hurt. He had to leave Daniel Jones through a
Speaker 1: pair of picks, uh and team drills. That's the quarterback
Speaker 1: from from Dan A wide receiver who I can't remember
Speaker 1: if you mentioned him yesterday, but if we didn't, we
Speaker 1: should have because he had a really good first practice.
Speaker 1: Penny Hart. Uh, Bobby Belt somewhere right now, Bobby, Bobby Belting.
Speaker 1: He is smiling right now that I didn't see his
Speaker 1: five eight wide receiver out there, runner say, the diminutive
Speaker 1: wide receiver out at Georgia State. Who's he talking to
Speaker 1: Andy as Abella? And in a similar vein you know,
Speaker 1: talk about foot quickness and the ability to separate. Penny
Speaker 1: Hart was doing that all day yesterday, and I think
Speaker 1: he's he showed he's able to do that here today
Speaker 1: today's practice. So that quickness, that's that opened some eyes
Speaker 1: and I think that's Penny Hart's definitely a name you're
Speaker 1: gonna be hearing more and more. Penny Hart. Yeah, Bobby
Speaker 1: Belt came up with that. Bobby, We love you. Thank
Speaker 1: you for always coming up with great names. Okay, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: give me a little that Twitter on the twenty twenty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to all right, I want to start off.
Speaker 1: I mean, I got some questions too, but this is
Speaker 1: like a conglomeration question because from yesterday until now, like
Speaker 1: ninety five people have asked me about this guy, which,
Speaker 1: uh makes sense because we're based in Texas. So if
Speaker 1: y'all could shed some light on Charles Amani who for me?
Speaker 1: Perhaps men who a mina who? Damn it? Whatever you
Speaker 1: took when you took a page out of my took
Speaker 1: a page out of the broadest book. Yeah, it's January,
Speaker 1: I'll get it. Yeah, I mean, first of all, we
Speaker 1: had to start with the length. Let me get to
Speaker 1: make sure I get it exactly right. Yeah, thirty six
Speaker 1: and a half in charms. Yeah, that's silly. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's if you're I mean, we we when we
Speaker 1: go to the combine, he might be the only one
Speaker 1: that has hits thirty six, you know, like thirty six
Speaker 1: is a great number. Thirty six and a half is awesome.
Speaker 1: And we need to explain how they measure real quick,
Speaker 1: because because because yeah, your mom, your mom measured her
Speaker 1: hand yesterday, right. My mom happened to listen in the
Speaker 1: Draft show yesterday and she heard about our hand to measure, right,
Speaker 1: so she was your chance to measure arms. Now, she
Speaker 1: was curious, how you know her hands? So she put
Speaker 1: a ruler down, she spread out her hands. Oh did
Speaker 1: they stretch her? They stretch her. She just she just
Speaker 1: did it on her own. Oh seven and three quarters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the same size hands as Hunter. From here on now
Speaker 1: it's he's now Hunter, mom hands Renfro exact is his name? Yeah? Uh?
Speaker 1: And then talking about length, yeah, hands straight out, straight
Speaker 1: out and from the and from the joint right on
Speaker 1: the top of the in the joint all the way
Speaker 1: out to your index finger. Right. So when your measure
Speaker 1: when you when you talk about arm length, it's not like, okay,
Speaker 1: measure that. It's they take it all the way out
Speaker 1: and then they measure in the joint and then all
Speaker 1: the way to the end of your your finger. And
Speaker 1: a lot of times what they do is they'll take
Speaker 1: a tape measurer tape it on the wall, right, and
Speaker 1: so you just stand flat back against the wall and
Speaker 1: just yeah, put your arm out like that and see
Speaker 1: how it goes. Yeah, And they do it too, and
Speaker 1: they measure when they do the vertical, they measure right,
Speaker 1: you know, they measure that way with the arm going
Speaker 1: up so they know how much the reach is. So anyway,
Speaker 1: good but a good player though, right from Yeah, Omenta
Speaker 1: who he is a really good player. Uh, he's a
Speaker 1: guy who Texas they played that bass kind of three
Speaker 1: to four defense, and so he played head up over
Speaker 1: the tackle a lot. Didn't really get a chance to
Speaker 1: show off that edge speed on a consistent basis. But
Speaker 1: he's a good athlete and with that type of length,
Speaker 1: you've got something to work with. And so, Omenta who
Speaker 1: he played you're during practice? You saw him line up
Speaker 1: a lot of times inside and so I'm eager to
Speaker 1: see how they use him throughout the week if he
Speaker 1: gets more reps outside. You know, do the teams consider
Speaker 1: more of a five technique? Where is his fit? That's
Speaker 1: a big question. Yeah, you know, it's funny that it was.
Speaker 1: I was yesterday you talk about guys that fits and
Speaker 1: what they do. Did you notice Zach Allen at all
Speaker 1: yesterday day? From Boston? He wrote about Zach Allen? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I noticed, and not in a good way though really,
Speaker 1: to be honest, Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: mean I probably could have missed a couple of good
Speaker 1: reps for him. I felt like that you know when
Speaker 1: you watch him play. I was not the big Zach
Speaker 1: Allen fan though, and and and the problem I had
Speaker 1: with Zach Allen because I thought he struggled to get
Speaker 1: off to get off the blocks, you know, but I
Speaker 1: thought yesterday was a better day for him. And that
Speaker 1: because I did, there was some some times in the
Speaker 1: one on one stuff where I was like, Okay, oh
Speaker 1: maybe I need to get maybe I need to you know,
Speaker 1: but there was he just doesn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: pass for ushmsing there people talking about him. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, like first round great, Well I think he yeah,
Speaker 1: he could be a first round guy, but yeah, he's not.
Speaker 1: That pass rush is on his thing. He's a better
Speaker 1: He was better when they put him inside playing tackle
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, he did both at Boston College.
Speaker 1: Inside outside, Um, he has ah, he's not that you know,
Speaker 1: speed demon off the edge. I don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear. Pass for rush is not his thing about
Speaker 1: a first round guy. He's a left end. He is right,
Speaker 1: He's a bass end who is a good football player.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play the run. Well, yeah, he can do
Speaker 1: a lot of things. He'll give you a pass rush.
Speaker 1: It's just not as special. He showed a better pass
Speaker 1: rush yesterday than what I've seen on tape. We're talking
Speaker 1: about Yeah, we're talking about guys that were ends and
Speaker 1: ends and tackles and stuff like that. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a guy. I mean, I'm like, man, he looked just
Speaker 1: awful on tape and then you see him live, maybe
Speaker 1: just a little bit better. All right, as long as
Speaker 1: we're doing this, I'll just knock out a question from Buddy.
Speaker 1: Buddy wants to know about DeMarcus Christmas. Florida State. Florida State. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know his tape, Like I don't know. I
Speaker 1: it's hard to get a good read off him off
Speaker 1: his tape. But I liked his junior stuff, and then
Speaker 1: coming into this year, I kind of had a high
Speaker 1: expectation coaching change their problems. You think, well, that's that
Speaker 1: was putting that created a lot of Florida State. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but aside from that, you know, yeah, he I don't
Speaker 1: think he played. He didn't play a high number of
Speaker 1: snaps um, but he's he's a big guy and he
Speaker 1: can move. I thought he actually had a good first
Speaker 1: day of practice. Yeah, he had some reps better yesterday
Speaker 1: than he had all season and so he's gonna be
Speaker 1: one that's a little tough. Yeah, but with Christmas, he
Speaker 1: when you watch his tape, he's not gonna blow you away.
Speaker 1: But there's something there. I mean, his junior stuff was good.
Speaker 1: He's playing well here. It's he's gonna be tough one
Speaker 1: to figure out. Okay, here's one which I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna revise Matt's question because he says, who is this
Speaker 1: year's vander esh which like, okay, yeah, sure, let's just
Speaker 1: try to figure out who's going to the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: right now. But it's nice to see, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you're watching a Dallas Cowboys dot com, Nick Eatman
Speaker 1: and whole crew there, Yeah, so check that out for sure.
Speaker 1: But all right, so let's revise that. And we talked
Speaker 1: so much last year about ascending players. Who are some
Speaker 1: ascending players, preferably guys that are here. But if somebody
Speaker 1: really jumps out to you just overall, I need to
Speaker 1: talk about him. I need to coin those words. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you do for me, for me, this is this is
Speaker 1: it's not even close. And okay, yeah, and who you
Speaker 1: got jump take my guy take No, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: your guy get ready for this. I don't think I
Speaker 1: know you're gonna take my guy. I'm gonna take your guy.
Speaker 1: Get ready to play for Relabama? Absolutely, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: That's where. That's where, Like I said, I was just
Speaker 1: pulling my notes on Josh Jacosh Jacob Josh Jacobs Universe
Speaker 1: childcat quarterback. No, just badass overall. How about that? Just
Speaker 1: go ahead and just say that about the young man.
Speaker 1: I mean it now, the measurables. You're looking at a
Speaker 1: guy that's five eight, two hundred and thirteen pounds legitimate
Speaker 1: speed says four four nine. I think he's faster than that.
Speaker 1: He's only five eight five nine. He wears number eight.
Speaker 1: He looks like a way bigger matter dude than that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but he's built. I mean yeah, he has built, you know.
Speaker 1: And that and that's the thing about him is that,
Speaker 1: did I take your guy by the way I did
Speaker 1: take Yeah, this guy's got elusive balance. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean his it's unreal. I mean, he he will, he will.
Speaker 1: He's got some complete back traits to him as well, though,
Speaker 1: because he'll stand in their pass protect if you let him,
Speaker 1: you know. But the best thing he does, this guy
Speaker 1: breaks the fenders down in space. He's when it. When
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, people are gonna talk about
Speaker 1: him a lot. I have a feeling, Oh he's he's
Speaker 1: a first right. If there's a running back in this draft,
Speaker 1: he will go first round. Maybe this kid. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. He wasn't He wasn't even the regular star.
Speaker 1: Well he was. He was a third stringer for to
Speaker 1: start that year. He moved to the second string and
Speaker 1: classic Alabama is the third stringer is a bigger badass
Speaker 1: than the starter. So and well, and Damian Harris is
Speaker 1: you know, awesome running back. I think he's the top
Speaker 1: one hundred guy. But he's not Josh Jacobs. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: and we we'll see how Jacob's Uh. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna do well to combine and I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have uh. You know a guy we talk about as
Speaker 1: a possible first round pick leading up to the draft.
Speaker 1: So he definitely qualifies as an ascending player. I'll give
Speaker 1: you a guy I was hoping you would who was
Speaker 1: going to be here, but he's hurt. Jelani Tavai from Hawaii. Oh,
Speaker 1: the linebacker. I think I think he's an ascending player.
Speaker 1: Who again, don't sleep on this kid. He gave the
Speaker 1: second round right now? Yes, okay, that's what I thought. Peep.
Speaker 1: There are people out here who say his name one
Speaker 1: more yeah, the p A v I A E or I. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't go to Brian for spelling k A v Ai.
Speaker 1: Listen he there are people that cover the draft that
Speaker 1: don't even know about this kid yet, like he is
Speaker 1: a big time players. They're not wrong. He's not here
Speaker 1: because he has a shoulder that need that he's rehabbing. Um.
Speaker 1: But we'll see if he's okay. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be okay for the combye. We'll see if he's
Speaker 1: okay for a personal workout, play to day type thing.
Speaker 1: Um thirty five right now? Who can move? I mean
Speaker 1: we talk about you know, vander Esh like he's not
Speaker 1: Vanderesh because he's not that type of athlete and there
Speaker 1: are some questions there. But with Tavia, he can move,
Speaker 1: he can cover, he can he plays with power. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, we we watched Josh Oliver tape the tight
Speaker 1: end who was here from San Jose stage? Here? Did
Speaker 1: we watched Gilani Tavai carry him up the scene without
Speaker 1: not letting him separate. I mean, really impressive stuff. He
Speaker 1: is a three down linebacker who I think he's a
Speaker 1: top sixty pick and people are gonna be surprised when
Speaker 1: he goes so early. But people listening to this won't
Speaker 1: be GI me tell you, give me tell you where
Speaker 1: he's better in college than than Vanderesh. I didn't have
Speaker 1: on take just dogged Layton for months about how he
Speaker 1: wasn't physical enough. I hear you, Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1: There there were I wasn't the only one I know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't the only one to take that dig. No, No,
Speaker 1: I say, this guy, this guy right here though, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: he's got to be careful when he gets too tall
Speaker 1: here though that's sixty three. He'll play a little upright
Speaker 1: on you. But I'll tell you what though, this is
Speaker 1: a physical s ob. I mean this guy, will you
Speaker 1: tell talk about run to the football, play with his hands,
Speaker 1: physical take on. He can redirect Dane's Ryan. He can
Speaker 1: cover too, That's the thing. I mean. You watch him play,
Speaker 1: and you know you talk about guys that don't come
Speaker 1: off the field. This cat doesn't come off the field.
Speaker 1: So yeah, keep an eye to Vy Number thirty one
Speaker 1: from Hawaii. Hey, yes, because this is why people listen
Speaker 1: to this show in the first place. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Let let me tell you a guy, and maybe Dane
Speaker 1: will disagree with but I think this guy is going
Speaker 1: to rise up to charts when it's all said and done.
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm wrong about where he is right now,
Speaker 1: read the name. We'll see. I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure I will find the name I was considering another player.
Speaker 1: We'll see us. Okay, this is who it is, Riley Ridley.
Speaker 1: That's who it is. Are we really calling him ascending player?
Speaker 1: Like everybody knows Riley Ridley. But but in the in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of where everybody is, where they're ranking
Speaker 1: these receivers, he's getting slept on. Oh I think everybody's
Speaker 1: sleeping on this guy a little bit. I think people
Speaker 1: know him because his last name is Ridley. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anybody played at a name program at Georgia, you know
Speaker 1: me career yards he had at Georgia like a thousand well,
Speaker 1: because he really only came on in his final year there,
Speaker 1: which I guess goes to your point that you watch
Speaker 1: the National championship game two years ago because Alabama, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: watch that. But but you can watch this game, watch
Speaker 1: lsu Vandy tennis seems and he just makes plays. He's
Speaker 1: a I mean, he made my top fifty list. He's
Speaker 1: I mean, we're he's not a secret. He's not looking.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, when you look at all the other
Speaker 1: wide receivers in this thing, I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: people you okay, you're right, which, okay, I should you know,
Speaker 1: the conversation is ascending and not under the radar. Right,
Speaker 1: He's not under the radar. When it's all said done,
Speaker 1: he could he be one of the top three wide
Speaker 1: receivers in this draft. Oh absolutely, yeah. Well, because this
Speaker 1: this draft and we've talked about wide receivers, I don't
Speaker 1: have a first round one right now. By the way,
Speaker 1: I think the highest guy on my list music to
Speaker 1: my ears, Yeah, highest guy in my list is twenty
Speaker 1: three overall or something. I mean, you know, but I
Speaker 1: went I Metcalf Harmon Marquis Browne. It's gonna be I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, Mattcalf went to old Miss Marcus brown Is, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the other guy. We're gonna get filled
Speaker 1: with harm Okay, I don't know that one. We're just
Speaker 1: trying to keep people up to speak. Here's the thing
Speaker 1: with these wide receivers is, by the way, Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: just caught a ball for the about wide receiver South Carolina.
Speaker 1: We're talk about him in a minute. So I had
Speaker 1: a nice day, yes, straight, by the way too, he did.
Speaker 1: He did. He's kind of jostling with India Isabella to
Speaker 1: be the top receiver here. Uh lost my train of thought.
Speaker 1: Wide receivers at the top. That's why I'm talking. I
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people down here, and when
Speaker 1: wide receivers come up. When we talked about Marcus Brown,
Speaker 1: some have said he's going top fifteen, right, He's going
Speaker 1: high Hollywood, right, Yeah, and he like a d D clone,
Speaker 1: doesn't he weigh like one hundred and fifty pounds one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five. Oh, but top fifteen? John Ross
Speaker 1: went nine. How that work out? Not very well? People
Speaker 1: don't learn from mistakes. No, people look at that and say,
Speaker 1: don't watch his day. Yeah, don't bust my team to
Speaker 1: Bengals Bengal fans, that's at DP Brugler. By the way,
Speaker 1: I said, what teams will say, that's stay on target.
Speaker 1: But all right, back to mine what I was saying,
Speaker 1: Deshaun or some look at the see DeShawn Jackson, He's
Speaker 1: going top fifteen. Others look at him and say the
Speaker 1: size one hundred seventy five, the durability, he's the second
Speaker 1: round pick. A lot of different opinions. DK metcalf six four,
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty pounds, four four speed, a freak show. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's going to go top fifteen, while others say a
Speaker 1: couple big injuries. He's still second round, you know. So
Speaker 1: there's so many different opinions on these wide receivers, no consensus,
Speaker 1: and it's anyone's guess when the first one is gonna
Speaker 1: come off. Foard. Yeah, I keep an eye on Dylan
Speaker 1: Mitchell by the way, from way he's in Nelson, Agalore. Clone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, there you go real quick before we
Speaker 1: do this next. But I'm just I'll combine these into
Speaker 1: two because they're the same thing. Essential job on new
Speaker 1: players or something. Tyler Tyler wants a round projection ish
Speaker 1: on Debo, the South Carolina receiver who's here in Mobile.
Speaker 1: And then Christian wants the same thing for Anthony Johnson,
Speaker 1: the guy out of Buffalo who's here this week. So
Speaker 1: just kind of where do you think those two stack
Speaker 1: up in the You got a ballpark on the old board.
Speaker 1: You know. Coming into the year, I thought Deebo I
Speaker 1: have not seen him yet. I don't, okay, based on
Speaker 1: his junior stuff and well, because he missed most of
Speaker 1: last year with a broken leg or ankle, and so
Speaker 1: he missed like almost all of last year. But going
Speaker 1: based on off his tape from previously, when I watched
Speaker 1: over the summer, I gave him a late first round grade.
Speaker 1: I loved him. I thought he could be a big
Speaker 1: time player. Then this year you could tell he spent
Speaker 1: a lot of this year and knocking the rust off,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to regain his old form that he
Speaker 1: showed as an underclassman, and we finally started to see
Speaker 1: it down the stretch. We're seeing it some here. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big fan of what Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: could be. I think he's one of the best yards
Speaker 1: after catch receivers in this draft. Aft He's a playmaker
Speaker 1: in that regard. What's his long speed? Um is he
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be easily separate down the field. He did
Speaker 1: yesterday a couple of times against Rock Your Sin sure.
Speaker 1: I thought he had a pretty good opening practice. So
Speaker 1: Debo right now, I put him in say the forty
Speaker 1: to seventy five range, And I know that's kind of
Speaker 1: a big range. But you know, when we talked about
Speaker 1: these receivers, there's different opinions on them. And you know
Speaker 1: what's what's Debo's role? Is he a slot guy? Is
Speaker 1: he an outside guy? How did you know? Teams are
Speaker 1: kind of split on what his role is, what his
Speaker 1: best fit is. And so I think there's a wide
Speaker 1: variance of where he could go. And if he went
Speaker 1: forty first, wouldn't surprise me. He goes seventy second, wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me. So I think he's in that in that
Speaker 1: room range. And then Anthony Johnson, I'll tell you, I
Speaker 1: hate to just boil it down to a forty yard dash,
Speaker 1: but forty or dash is gonna be important for Anthony Johnson.
Speaker 1: I think he might be the most polished receiver here
Speaker 1: just with his understanding of timing and routes and how
Speaker 1: to work back to the quarterback and you know, really
Speaker 1: help out his quarterback. But how fast is he is
Speaker 1: he gonna be separate, maybe maybe worse. And so there's
Speaker 1: a lot to like Anthony Johnson. Jadeveon Clowney's cousin, by
Speaker 1: the way, um and he's got u uh Jadeveon Clowney
Speaker 1: his cousin. And he's not the guy that went to
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Yeah. Hey, well and he he he grew
Speaker 1: up in South Carolina, didn't have the grades, went to Juco,
Speaker 1: went to another Juco, was supposed to go to Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State and then that didn't work out and because of grades,
Speaker 1: and then went to Buffalo. So he's had a little
Speaker 1: winding career, but the last two years he's been outstanding. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the best mac receiver, one of the best
Speaker 1: receivers and in college football. So he's had a good
Speaker 1: week here so far. And eager to see how he
Speaker 1: tests because that could have an influence about how high
Speaker 1: he's graded and where he ends up going. But he's
Speaker 1: he's a day two player. It's just a matter of
Speaker 1: where on day two. Yeah, you know. The thing with
Speaker 1: Anthony Johnson though, to me, is that I saw a
Speaker 1: guy that did a really good job of tracking the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and and you're right, I think
Speaker 1: he's got some He's physical with the ball in his hands,
Speaker 1: he's he could be a little nifty if he has to,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't give up on routes. That's where I was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I was. You know, sometimes guys get
Speaker 1: frustrated when they run routes, and he didn't look like he.
Speaker 1: He just keeps working, you know, and and you know
Speaker 1: he likes to get him on the move and get
Speaker 1: him the ball. That's kind of what they were doing.
Speaker 1: He's got a quarterback too, that kid. That kid can Jackson,
Speaker 1: and Jackson can chunk it. I mean he can chunk it,
Speaker 1: you know. And that I mean you and you can
Speaker 1: see it. Chunk it or chuck it, chuck it, chunk it,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to whatever you want to do, whatever
Speaker 1: it takes. Yeah, whatever it takes. I mean he could.
Speaker 1: He could was my josh Allen Cardell Jones the blender. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that it's it's it's tough. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: true evaluation, is what it is. My My love affair
Speaker 1: with Cardell has not panned out, although he is still
Speaker 1: in the league. Yeah, so I think we have a
Speaker 1: bet about whether or not he we do. I made it, well,
Speaker 1: I don't. I definitely made a bet with Kavanaugh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he owes me, he owes me, like one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: if Cardell ever makes a Pro Bowl. So he's looking
Speaker 1: safe right now. And if he doesn't, I paid him
Speaker 1: five dollars in advance, and so it was like twenty
Speaker 1: to one odds, so I don't think I'm getting that
Speaker 1: money back. Yeah, it wasn't a good Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys out there for the twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty. When we come back, you know what
Speaker 1: we like, I say, we trying to focus in on
Speaker 1: everything about all positions. I want to get into some
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks, and I just want to do it
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of the Senior Bowl quarterbacks, because again
Speaker 1: this game will be this Saturday. But I wonder if
Speaker 1: you're a fan of another team and you're a quarterback
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Speaker 1: at the Draft show from Mobile, Alabama. Again. We are
Speaker 1: on a little earlier today because of the inclement weather
Speaker 1: here in Mobile. They're practicing right now. The South team
Speaker 1: is working at South Alabama. They're brand new indoor facility.
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Speaker 1: the weather Ken erected. Our team keeps knocking our thing out.
Speaker 1: If you're interested, if you're watching us, and then you're
Speaker 1: also watching the feed of ESPN, you uh, they are
Speaker 1: showing practice. So if you kind of want to take
Speaker 1: a peek, we'll be back at it. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: an early show again tomorrow. Dane's got to travel day,
Speaker 1: Dave and kenn have got to travel and then so
Speaker 1: we're gonna have an early show before the practices again
Speaker 1: tomorrow kind of set the table for what we expect
Speaker 1: to see as we get ready for practice. I teased
Speaker 1: about and by the way, too, thanks everybody. It's joining
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Speaker 1: again the one one time a week show. It'll be
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Speaker 1: make adjustments for what we have to do. So but
Speaker 1: again thanks everybody around the world. Uh. By the way,
Speaker 1: we had a question came from Yeah, Copenhagen, Denmark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which the guy he wanted to talk about. It's not here.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we can't talk. Okay, Well, let's get
Speaker 1: to that. I mean we'll get to that at a point.
Speaker 1: I want to get his question answered though right now
Speaker 1: we got well we got I don't want to get
Speaker 1: on his quarterbacks. But I'm feeling good about everybody around
Speaker 1: the world. I just love Danish people. In the draft
Speaker 1: show Danish peep Uh. He wanted to know about Halte
Speaker 1: fro Holt. I hope that I know Arkansas offensive lineman Danish.
Speaker 1: So I get. I get why he wanted to hear.
Speaker 1: You're about to give me a scouting report of the scar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course he is. I mean he played at Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I knew Dane would know him good. He Um grew
Speaker 1: up playing rugby, started to getting interested in football, and
Speaker 1: he came over to the States when he's a sophomore
Speaker 1: in high school. Played at Warren G. Hording High School.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm from, That's where you're from. Played there
Speaker 1: one year. He played with James Daniels Leshaun Daniels Um
Speaker 1: and then there's some kind of rule where you can
Speaker 1: only play one year if you're overseas player, foreign exchange student,
Speaker 1: you can only play one year at high school. So
Speaker 1: he went back to Denmark for his junior year, then
Speaker 1: went back to the States for a senior year, played
Speaker 1: in Florida and went to Arkansas. He had all types
Speaker 1: of recruiting offers. Goes to Arkansas, he was a you know,
Speaker 1: a three year starter at Love Guard. Really athletic guy.
Speaker 1: He moves really well. Love the body can roll. M
Speaker 1: He needs to get better with some technique issues, some
Speaker 1: power issues. But he was at the NFLPA game. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he's not here. I thought he was worthy
Speaker 1: of a Senior Bowl invite. I think he's a mid
Speaker 1: round pick and a guy who might be talking about
Speaker 1: as sending players. He might be one of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: one more time for me. Yellda frohold yelled ye. People
Speaker 1: in Denmark listening to the draft show, I love it.
Speaker 1: We appreciate y'all. It looks like you got a little
Speaker 1: nine on seven going on here from the practice at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Again, they're inside today, we're unfortunately we're
Speaker 1: not there watching. We will be tomorrow though, And uh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into a little bit again. We're
Speaker 1: trying to be a full service show here, you know.
Speaker 1: And and the Cowboys don't have a first round pick.
Speaker 1: You know, they drafted a quarterback last year, you know,
Speaker 1: with Mike White, who I really really liked. I'd like
Speaker 1: to see Mike White develop a little bit. But talk
Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks, the class in general, Dan just to class.
Speaker 1: You know, the very first show we talked about, uh,
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma kit and where and where he might fit,
Speaker 1: Kyler Kyler Murray, where he might fit. But where where
Speaker 1: where does some of these other quarterbacks fit? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean it's the first team that's gonna possibly look
Speaker 1: at a quarterback at six with the Giants. Is that
Speaker 1: where this thing is gonna start? Trades? Well, history tells
Speaker 1: us a quarterback's going top five. Okay, you know we've
Speaker 1: talked about that um last twenty years. Only twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: a quarterback wasn't draft the top five. So good chance
Speaker 1: we see a trade up into the top five so
Speaker 1: a team can secure the quarterback they want. And Dwayne
Speaker 1: Haskins from Ohio State is the favorite to be the
Speaker 1: first quarterback drafted. But after that, Okay, who's gonna be
Speaker 1: the next quarterback drafted? If Haskins goes is the first
Speaker 1: quarterback drafted? Daniel Jones Drew Locke both, Yeah, you know, neither.
Speaker 1: You know, we're amazing in the first first practice, But
Speaker 1: like I said, i'd like to Jones to a couple
Speaker 1: of interceptions this morning. Yeah, I hate to you know,
Speaker 1: drill him too much. But we'll get the tape and
Speaker 1: see how we did, and then tomorrow on Thursday's tape,
Speaker 1: practice will see how he did. But I think the
Speaker 1: Andrew Jones's next, and then Drew Locke and then you know,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's a wild card in there. But if you're
Speaker 1: looking for a quarterback outside the first round, that's when
Speaker 1: Okay will grew in the second who he's like a
Speaker 1: rhythm passer. When he finds his rhythm, he's deadly. But
Speaker 1: if he doesn't find that rhythm, you see decisions that
Speaker 1: you're just kind of scratching your head, like, what's you
Speaker 1: thinking there? He's throwing into double coverage, He's not I
Speaker 1: mean staring down the receiver, not even bothering the you know,
Speaker 1: look at the safety who easily cuts off the route.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just there's so many things about you
Speaker 1: just kind of wonder about his decision making. And that's
Speaker 1: why we're talking about him as a second rounder, not
Speaker 1: a first rounder. Howboat Jared Stidham from all Ye who
Speaker 1: Redchard junior graduated to he's able to be here Baylor transfer.
Speaker 1: He was Art Brile's big recruit. And then with everything
Speaker 1: fell apart, and Baylor he left, went to Duco. He
Speaker 1: actually didn't go well. He took classes at Duco, didn't play,
Speaker 1: actually played with a high school team, you know, as
Speaker 1: a scout team quarterback to stay fresh. Goes Auburn the
Speaker 1: last two years, and I'll tell you what, watching him
Speaker 1: last year when the Iron Bowl with kerry On Johnson
Speaker 1: as his running back, you get excited about jared'stidham, about
Speaker 1: what he could be at the next level. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was like the guy that people He
Speaker 1: was a guy that people were pegging him as a
Speaker 1: top ten pick, probably going back to Baylor. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he maintained the hype at Auburn,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's uh, you know you I think when
Speaker 1: you look at him in that Auburn offense, that elementary
Speaker 1: third grade offense that Auburn runs, I think that's a
Speaker 1: culprit here because it just holds him back. And so
Speaker 1: um that's why the Senior Bowl is so big for
Speaker 1: a guy like that, to see him unleash that arm,
Speaker 1: to see him kind of break open from the uh,
Speaker 1: you know, that Auburn offense that kind of held him back.
Speaker 1: So the Senior Bowl tape would be big for Jared's
Speaker 1: Didham and how he looks throughout the process, because he's
Speaker 1: much better pro than I think what he put on
Speaker 1: tape this year. Um, it's just a matter of how
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, where do you take it? Go? Better
Speaker 1: prospecting a guy who came into Senior Bowl several years
Speaker 1: like a three years ago, Dak Prescott better better prospect? Then?
Speaker 1: Good question. The problem with I think when you look
Speaker 1: at Stidham, you think, Okay, he's got some upside that
Speaker 1: he was of the proa of the of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure was. But with Dak it was more like, you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of is who he is. It's just will
Speaker 1: it well that his style work right? You know, like
Speaker 1: he's he's really mobile, he's got a strong arm. It's
Speaker 1: just is his accuracy good enough where it's going to
Speaker 1: translate to pro defenses? And that's why you know it
Speaker 1: fell to the fourth rounds while the Cowboys almost to
Speaker 1: Connor Cook over him. Sure, but so you're saying, you're
Speaker 1: saying Stidham could be a completely different guy at the
Speaker 1: next level. Yeah, I think he could be a much
Speaker 1: better pro than what we saw in college, which I
Speaker 1: mean I think, I think what you just said is
Speaker 1: true for good and for bad, Like Dak is who
Speaker 1: he is, and obviously it's worked. It's obviously why plenty
Speaker 1: of people still aren't satisfied with what he's put on. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: interesting where Stidham, you're buying, You're drafting him into the
Speaker 1: fourth round. You're buying into that potential upside that he
Speaker 1: might be good once we get our hands on him.
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to be able to develop him
Speaker 1: into his full potential. Where at ourburn we saw, you know,
Speaker 1: just a fraction of what he could be. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: every okay? So we just mentioned, you know, the Haskins, Murray, Locke, Jones, Greer, Stidham.
Speaker 1: You know how many of those six are gone by
Speaker 1: the end of the second round. I think that Haskins, Jones, Locke, Murray,
Speaker 1: and Greer for sure are gone by fifty eight. Okay,
Speaker 1: then we are still a long long way to go.
Speaker 1: Who knows, but I'd say for sure those five are
Speaker 1: off the board after that. That might be it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it might be the only five that are off the
Speaker 1: board at that point. I think, you know, if someone
Speaker 1: absolutely falls in love with like a Tyree Jackson, you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe that could happen, but I think it's more
Speaker 1: likely we see Tyree Jackson. Ryan Finley from NC State,
Speaker 1: who's also there's another guy. Yeah, we're two about Ryan
Speaker 1: Finley though, I mean there's a there's a guy that
Speaker 1: he honestly fell kind of off at the end of
Speaker 1: the year. Fell off the a lot of things going
Speaker 1: on there. We didn't have coaching changes and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: North Carolina State or not. They played Texas A and
Speaker 1: M in that bowl game and it just yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I felt like there were some issues there with North
Speaker 1: But well, I'll tell you what, yesterday at practice, Ryan
Speaker 1: Finley might have been the most consistent quarterback. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: he nothing about him wows you, but he's really consistent.
Speaker 1: You know. He reminds me Ofn't. Look, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's gonna win Super Bowl MVP one day, but he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of Nick Foles. When Nick Foles is
Speaker 1: coming out of Arizona, you know, just not a great athlete,
Speaker 1: but a good athlete. Uh can move around a little bit.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a power arm, but he has a
Speaker 1: good arm. Uh. Nothing about him physically blows you away.
Speaker 1: But he's just really consistent. He understands the play design,
Speaker 1: where to go with the ball. Um and I think
Speaker 1: Nick Foles is much better now than when he was
Speaker 1: coming out of Arizona, but kind of with this kid. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he's he's an older guy. He's gonna be twenty
Speaker 1: five is rookie year. Um he started up boys, he
Speaker 1: stay eight, got hurt. Mark Rippin, who also in this
Speaker 1: draft class, last four years starting at Boise State, took
Speaker 1: his job the offensive coordinator at Boise went to NC
Speaker 1: State to be the offensive coordinators so Ryan Finley followed him.
Speaker 1: And Ryan Finley started the last three years for NC
Speaker 1: State and had a really good career, throwing to Kelvin
Speaker 1: Harmon and Jacobe Myers, another nc State wide receiver who
Speaker 1: is here. So you know, I think Ryan Finley at
Speaker 1: the worst can be a solid backup in this league
Speaker 1: and a guy that you might be able to rely
Speaker 1: on the step in and start games if you need
Speaker 1: him too. But again we're talking about him as a
Speaker 1: maybe a third rounder. Yeah, I'm just fat. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm going off the top of my head, but this
Speaker 1: feels like the least amount of fanfare that a quarterback
Speaker 1: class has had probably in the time we've been doing
Speaker 1: the Draft show. You think back to fourteen with Bordles
Speaker 1: and mom Teddy Bridgewater. You know, sixteen is obviously dominated
Speaker 1: by Goff and Wentz and Paxton Lynch two years go out.
Speaker 1: You know, the names were there, Mahomes, Watson, but like
Speaker 1: I don't we weren't sold or no one was sold
Speaker 1: on them as being guys, you know, and and heck
Speaker 1: the only one that went top well, I guess Mahomes
Speaker 1: went ten, but Trubisky went on a second h Watson
Speaker 1: went twelve, So you know that was a weird Keiser
Speaker 1: was being talked about in the first round. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think now, but everybody was pretty shocked
Speaker 1: when the Chiefs did what they did. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I mean, I wish I love.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I love the draft is a
Speaker 1: domino effect. If this doesn't happened, then you know how
Speaker 1: the rest of the world would be different. Yeah. If
Speaker 1: the Chiefs don't make that deal, if John Dorsey and
Speaker 1: Andy Reid don't get a deal done, Pat Mahomes would
Speaker 1: be a saint. Yeah, he was going at eleven, Wow
Speaker 1: to the New Orleans Saints and how okay, how does
Speaker 1: that work? Is Pat Mahomes still on the bench right
Speaker 1: now behind Drew Brees? Is how would that dynamic? Or
Speaker 1: after my after one season on the end or of
Speaker 1: the New Orleans scout team. Yeah, this guy's good. We
Speaker 1: gotta kid him on the field, Drew, You've been great,
Speaker 1: but you know we're gonna sudden Drew Brees signs a
Speaker 1: deal and geez, I meant like Alex Smith did because
Speaker 1: of Pat mos One pick like that in the world
Speaker 1: is different, Yeah, you know in terms of you know,
Speaker 1: the NFL and how that changes the dichotomy of everything though,
Speaker 1: I guess, And that kind of goes back to the
Speaker 1: point I was gonna make, is like, even like, even
Speaker 1: as unsexy as this class sounds like, the quarterbacks dictate
Speaker 1: the whole draft and they always will. Like it's early,
Speaker 1: but I just history teaches me that teams are gonna
Speaker 1: bend over backwards to talk themselves into these guys and
Speaker 1: that can work out sometimes in the case of Pat
Speaker 1: Mahomes and other times not so much. Quarterback desperation will
Speaker 1: not take a year off, never go away. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: never does. But I gonna be here. I think that's
Speaker 1: important because it's gonna mold the draft class and how
Speaker 1: it affects the Cowboys. Not to mention everyone else, but
Speaker 1: are your top ten? How many offensive players do you have?
Speaker 1: Is your money? Is your defense? Is this a very
Speaker 1: heavy defensive draft? Do you feel like I have Jonah
Speaker 1: Williams at seven? That's the end, that's that's the only
Speaker 1: that's an amazing to think about that this is I mean,
Speaker 1: that's everything I've heard is that this is a defense.
Speaker 1: All these all these teams are thinking offensive, offensive, offense,
Speaker 1: and it might be what's the great sorry being the
Speaker 1: neutralize great offense, great defense, great defense. I've got Cody
Speaker 1: Forward at eleven. But yeah, I mean this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a strong My first quarterbacks at sixteen, Haskins, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I've got questions about Haskins. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's that surefire top pick that people want to make
Speaker 1: him to be just because he's the top quarterback in
Speaker 1: his draft. But yeah, no, you're right. If we don't
Speaker 1: see a running back or a receiver going to top twenty,
Speaker 1: maybe one of those ioway tight ends get in there. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: offensive line always get overdrafted, so we'll see offensive lineman
Speaker 1: go there. But yeah, it's gonna be dominated by defensive players,
Speaker 1: especially defensive lineman. Yeah, let me push some offensive players
Speaker 1: down the board. Why not? Why not? Okay, Well, that's
Speaker 1: all the time we have today. Again, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: on in the morning. We'll come up with the time
Speaker 1: for you. We're gonna do this before practice. Again. We
Speaker 1: got travel days with everybody involved here and so we
Speaker 1: want to make sure we get you one final show.
Speaker 1: We'll be hitting it before the South practice, right, is
Speaker 1: that gonna be? Is that how to rotate background? So anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll make sure check out everything on the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: our Twitter feeds, all that to make sure that you
Speaker 1: know we'll get you the time when that will be.
Speaker 1: So for my buddies, David Hellman, Dame Burger, Kent Garrison,
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Speaker 1: from Mobile, Alabama, getting you ready for Thursday practice in
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Take care