WEBVTT - 120923 A Lack of Police Accountability (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>When is the right time to tase a handcuffed man?

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<v Speaker 1>About to find out? Today, I'd like to welcome you

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<v Speaker 1>to another episode of The Civic Cipher, where our mission

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<v Speaker 1>is to foster allyship empathy and understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host, ramses job. He is Ramsey's jaw.

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<v Speaker 2>I am cured. You are once again tuned into Civic Cipher.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, as we broadcast from Hip Hop Weekly Studios, I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to ask you to stick around because we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be discussing quite a few things today,

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<v Speaker 1>including what.

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<v Speaker 2>Police accountability looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Three years after a moment in time when we were

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<v Speaker 1>really having the opportunity to see what police accountability looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>what it looks like when police were accountable to the

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<v Speaker 1>public and not the other way around. Since then, that

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<v Speaker 1>reality has deteriorated, and so there's a few examples that

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<v Speaker 1>have come across our desk in recent weeks, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>compiled them into today's episode. For the first half and

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<v Speaker 1>for the second half, of course, we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be discussing, indeed, when is the right time to tase

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<v Speaker 1>a handcuffed man? And what does it mean when you're

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<v Speaker 1>tasing a handcuffed man that is a question that has

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<v Speaker 1>resulted from a recent video that has been going viral

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<v Speaker 1>on our social media, and I employ you to check

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<v Speaker 1>it out while you're listening to the show. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>get to that point in the show, we can hit

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<v Speaker 1>at Civic Cipher and see exactly what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're going to actually play a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the audio for you as well so that you can

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<v Speaker 1>understand it. For some reason, you can't get to the

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<v Speaker 1>social media. But again, we're talking about police accountability and

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when there is a lack of police accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly how far do police go, what do police feel

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<v Speaker 1>they can get away with, and why do they keep

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<v Speaker 1>doing this? Is it because they don't fear the consequences

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<v Speaker 1>or are we just seeing what happens when people get caught.

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<v Speaker 1>But first and foremost designed for some Ebony Excellence, we'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to start to show off this wayque why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you take.

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<v Speaker 2>This one, noll I, you shall this week's Ebony Excellence

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored by Actively Black, where they believe there is greatness

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<v Speaker 2>in our DNA. This comes from NPR. Tracy Chapman was

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<v Speaker 2>honored with Song of the Year for her nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>eight folk anthem fast Car at the Country Music Awards

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday, coming the first black songwriter to ever win

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<v Speaker 2>the award. Fast Car peaked at number six on Billboard's

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<v Speaker 2>Hot one hundred charts following its released more than thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. The song was nominated for three Grammys when

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<v Speaker 2>it first came out, and Chapman won Best Female Pop

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<v Speaker 2>Vocal Performance, but it got a second win in recent

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<v Speaker 2>months after singer Luke Colmbs came out with the cover

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<v Speaker 2>of the song in April. His version peaked at number

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<v Speaker 2>two on the Hot one hundred chart and one Single

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<v Speaker 2>of the Year. At the CMA's in Nashville, she says, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I couldn't join you all tonight end quote quote.

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<v Speaker 2>It's truly an honor for my song to be newly

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<v Speaker 2>recognized after thirty five years of its debut. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>to the CMAS and a special thanks to Luke and

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<v Speaker 2>all of the fans of fast Car. End quote. Combes

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<v Speaker 2>called fast Car his favorite song and his acceptance speech

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<v Speaker 2>for a Single of the Year, he said, quote, first

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<v Speaker 2>and foremost, I went to thank Tracy Chapman for writing

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best songs of all time. Never intended

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<v Speaker 2>for that I just recorded it because I loved the

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<v Speaker 2>song so much. It's meant so much for me throughout

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<v Speaker 2>my entire life. It's the first favorite song I ever

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<v Speaker 2>had from the time I was four years old. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's from Luke Combs who won that award, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>we want.

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<v Speaker 1>To shout out NPR for the article, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>shout out Tracy Chapman for again being the first the

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<v Speaker 1>first black song writer ever to win the award of

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<v Speaker 1>Song of the Year and.

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<v Speaker 2>Both triumphant and sad at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, progress, progress, So we'll take that all right.

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<v Speaker 1>A lack of police accountability, man, this does not feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a new topic for us.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually a question at the top of the show

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<v Speaker 2>that I almost answered in real time. I had to

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<v Speaker 2>bite my tongue to be quiet. What's the the when

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<v Speaker 2>is the right time to tase a handcuffed?

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<v Speaker 1>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>My answers are going to sound like a joke because

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<v Speaker 2>it's ridiculous, but it's the only time I actually had

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<v Speaker 2>a moment of critical thinking to try to go through

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<v Speaker 2>when would be a good time to taste someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>in handcuffs? And I came up with if that person

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<v Speaker 2>has you in the figure four leg lock, and you

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<v Speaker 2>just so happened to have access to a taser or

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<v Speaker 2>stun gun or some type of way of protecting yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of that once famous finishing move and

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<v Speaker 2>professional wrestling. Indeed, what's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>We're obviously gonna develop, you know, that thought a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more for the second half of the show. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think that after seeing that video, I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>which video the video of the female officer in Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>tazing the black.

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<v Speaker 2>Listeners and cuff to the car. That was a little

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<v Speaker 2>tongue in cheek, Which video? Which video? Because we see

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<v Speaker 2>that many yeah, where that would actually be a real

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<v Speaker 2>question had we not just you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, And you know, here's the funny part about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I get to the point I'm trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>this whole show, if we're being honest, is pointed toward

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<v Speaker 1>that specific police interaction, and these stories that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about now are just kind of really what

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<v Speaker 1>frames what police accountability looks like these days? Who exactly

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<v Speaker 1>exactly my point? And so having that sort of climate,

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<v Speaker 1>having a public that's either apathetic or is I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, like intellectually disinterested, disinterested disengaged. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's if it's apathy more than kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a numbness, right. I think if there's like, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>you ever been to someone's house and they don't change

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<v Speaker 1>the battery in their smoke detector beeping to you, that

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been the case for them for however long. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't even hear it anymore. It's not actual apathy, They've

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<v Speaker 2>just tuned it out. This happens so often, like what

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<v Speaker 2>am I supposed to be angry and outraged perpetually For

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<v Speaker 2>some some apathy is the exact right way to describe

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<v Speaker 2>how they feel about this. It doesn't affect them, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's no reason for them to actually care. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think for an unsettling amount of people, it's very very discouraging.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the battery has been beeping for so long

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<v Speaker 2>they don't hear it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And I like how you use that analogy, because the

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<v Speaker 1>fact is is that that battery has been beeping since

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<v Speaker 1>everybody listening to our voices right now was born, and

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<v Speaker 1>indeed before they were born, that battery has been beeping,

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<v Speaker 1>and it feels like sometimes we're the only ones pointing

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<v Speaker 1>this out to everyone else, like, hey, does anyone else

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<v Speaker 1>hear this battery beeping?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's a problem. But the result of that,

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<v Speaker 1>the ripple effect of that is that police brutality, police misconduct,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these sorts of things, they end up creating

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<v Speaker 1>a climate where other police feel like they are invincible,

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<v Speaker 1>there are no consequences for their actions. A certain group

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<v Speaker 1>of people are disposable or you know whatever. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they feel this way across the board, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>police violence does happen against white people as well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as prevalent, but you start to realize just how

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<v Speaker 1>removed from real consequences police can be. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I find particularly problematic with those people

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<v Speaker 1>that have intellectually speaking, distanced themselves from indeed what is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>is that.

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<v Speaker 2>A way that they.

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<v Speaker 1>Place a wall in between where they are in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of their argument and where we are, is to say

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<v Speaker 1>that black people have selective outrage, that black people have

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<v Speaker 1>a victim mentality, these sorts of things, right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>want to focus on selective outrage for a second, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when people start to look at things like

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<v Speaker 1>why are you so mad about police brutality. This affects

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<v Speaker 1>such a relatively speaking small amount of Black people. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys have so many other problems. I think that it's

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<v Speaker 1>those people that have ignored the fact that there are

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<v Speaker 1>there is a critical process that we need to go

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<v Speaker 1>through in order to bring about a more equitable society

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<v Speaker 1>for all of us. And some changes start with police reform.

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<v Speaker 1>Some changes start with dealing with voter disenfranchisement, disenfranchisement. Some

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<v Speaker 1>changes start with reforming the car sol system. Some changes

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<v Speaker 1>start with dealing with poverty and economic inequality in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And then other changes still start, you know, in the textbooks,

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<v Speaker 1>in medical textbooks, in reparations. Let's be honest. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we will talk about that for our way Black History fact.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have the evergreen go back to your

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<v Speaker 1>country man. Listen, that's always a solution.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk some c you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about what a lack of police accountability

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<v Speaker 1>looks like. Okay, So, Jalen Walker, we talked about Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>Walker on the show. He is the person that was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they were attempting to apprehend him on a

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<v Speaker 1>traffic stop. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>An equipment stop too, So not speeding, not not doing

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<v Speaker 2>something criminal, just maybe not having the money to get

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<v Speaker 2>your tail like repaired or something like that, or your

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<v Speaker 2>windows being tinted darker than they should be.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. So he keeps driving, please start pursuing.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of police get behind him, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>police say that he fired a gun out of the car.

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<v Speaker 2>In their direction. Please say this right.

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<v Speaker 1>One shot. Then finally he ends up parking the car.

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<v Speaker 1>Some murrey gets out of the car. The police say

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<v Speaker 1>he reached in his waistband and held his hands up

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<v Speaker 1>in such a way that they felt like he still

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<v Speaker 1>had the gun. They shot him a bunch of times,

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<v Speaker 1>and the gun turned out was in.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be a little more specifically, they shot

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<v Speaker 2>him ninety six times. Yeah, so that's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of times, you know, right. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>want to let that live so vague. I appreciate that. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>let me read almost that means almost ten officers empty clips.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they were reloading and continuing to shoot. So

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<v Speaker 1>so let's let's read this. This is from the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Information Network of the Iron News dot com. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to check so police previously said Walker failed to

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<v Speaker 1>stop when officers tried to pull him over for minor

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<v Speaker 1>equipment violations in June twenty twenty two. According to police,

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<v Speaker 1>Walker fired a shot from his vehicle during the pursuit.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point during the encounter, Walker jumped out of

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<v Speaker 1>his still moving vehicle and attempted to flee on foot.

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<v Speaker 1>According to a state investigation of the incident, officers initially

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<v Speaker 1>tried to use tasers to stop Walker, but police believed

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to fire again after the twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>year old reached toward his waistband and raised a hand.

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<v Speaker 1>For the state investigation, walker had left his gun in

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<v Speaker 1>the car off officer Aspire. The total of ninety six

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<v Speaker 1>shots within seven seconds, forty six of those hitting Walker.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we're talking about in terms of lack of

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<v Speaker 1>accountability is that none of the eight officers involved were

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<v Speaker 1>charged after an internal investigation revealed these findings. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't a community oversight committee. This isn't a place

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<v Speaker 1>where Walker's family could bring forth evidence or hire a

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<v Speaker 1>separate investigator anything. This was an internal investigation. And Q

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<v Speaker 1>has a great analogy about police investigating themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Because and of course finding nothing no wrong. There we

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<v Speaker 2>go there. We looked at us and we thought we

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<v Speaker 2>was cool. So there you go, right, y'all have to work,

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<v Speaker 2>so y'all be cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And people don't realize that the consequences of that is

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<v Speaker 1>that trust is further eroded nationally, and it has been

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<v Speaker 1>eroded for such a long time. People wonder why black

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<v Speaker 1>people don't really interact with police, don't communicate with police,

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<v Speaker 1>don't have none to stay the police, and then these

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<v Speaker 1>things happen, and people still wonder that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is.

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<v Speaker 1>A gross misuse of force, This is indeed an act

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<v Speaker 1>of violence. I believe that this is anti black. And

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<v Speaker 1>the fact of the matter is that even if Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>Walker was suicidal and he wanted death by cop and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the worst optics, even if that's what he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted from this, you and I have seen, because of

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of footage and stories that come across our

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<v Speaker 1>desk time and again, officers confronting people like that and

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<v Speaker 1>at least attempting to de escalate a situation prior to

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<v Speaker 1>letting off shots. And when they do let off the shots.

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<v Speaker 1>Seldom do we hear of stories that involve non black

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<v Speaker 1>people that involve this amount of shots where a person's

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<v Speaker 1>not holding a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>I love your grace and your you know, benefit of

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<v Speaker 2>the doubt, and saying seldom I don't have a single account. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well I'm trying to be I'm trying to cover all bags.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone might say, remember this one time that you come

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<v Speaker 2>from that place. My memory serves me correctly. Not only

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<v Speaker 2>do I not have an account, but I have actual

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<v Speaker 2>accounts of the contrary, where police are actually put in

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<v Speaker 2>danger forcefully, aggressively forwardly by someone that's not black, and

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<v Speaker 2>refuse to use their weapons, someone who's armed and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to harm them. Sure, and already harming others. Sure, sure, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, we've seen him in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the police car getting McDonald's or burger king or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen him.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw a video the other day of a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>was actively attacking an officer with a stick and the

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<v Speaker 1>officer had the gun drawn. It was like, drop the stick,

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<v Speaker 1>drop the stick, and the guy just swinging at him.

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<v Speaker 1>The officer keeps backing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing a video of a guy hitting officers with their

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<v Speaker 2>car and ramming them. Still no need for this to

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<v Speaker 2>turn violent. Yeah, and ninety six shots is just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like and I think you said multiple officers reloaded.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there was there was reloading. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say how many officers did, but imagine that up. I

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<v Speaker 2>emptied my clip. Let me the one guy who who

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<v Speaker 2>we all already shot, let me reload to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we're safe. So that's why, you know, because the

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<v Speaker 2>research that we've done, excuse me, the research that we've

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<v Speaker 2>done has shown that that's why you would. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>they shoot and reload, just to make sure that they're

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<v Speaker 2>safe from a guy who's my bad. I didn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>to cut you off.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, well again, I think it shows a disregard

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<v Speaker 1>for human life and black life.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I don't know that they have a disregard

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<v Speaker 2>for human life.

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<v Speaker 1>But if that was the only story, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>way too much. So allow me to add some additional

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<v Speaker 1>framing for you that helps again framed the second part

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<v Speaker 1>of the show here. So Elijah McLain's death, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as we talked about, this was a hard story for

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<v Speaker 1>us to talk about. I remember this one because Elijah

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<v Speaker 1>McLain was such a kind person. We saw the videos

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<v Speaker 1>we saw, you know he was. I believe he might

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<v Speaker 1>have been on the spectrum or something like that. There

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<v Speaker 1>was he had like a I know he had a

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<v Speaker 1>blood condition or some sort of health condition that he

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<v Speaker 1>would cast him to get colds. A soft, mild, kind, warm,

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<v Speaker 1>young person, and he glowed all those adjective.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said soft intentionally, not as a pejorative, but

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<v Speaker 2>this kid was a soft person intentionally, not some coward

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<v Speaker 2>of some sort, but no, just meant no one any harm,

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<v Speaker 2>even while being harmed. I love you and forgive me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. So when we had to cover this story,

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<v Speaker 1>we obviously did our research on Elijah McLain and we

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<v Speaker 1>saw these videos. We got a chance to see who

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<v Speaker 1>he was, his temperament. And then of course there was

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<v Speaker 1>the video or the audio from the body cam and

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<v Speaker 1>the video whatever of him saying all these kind things

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<v Speaker 1>as he was being harmed by the officers. He was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a ski mask because he had a blood or

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<v Speaker 1>a health condition.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget what it was. I believe this was in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>In Colorado, Yes, he were a ski mask in the mountains, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's cold in the wintertime. I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked this up too. I feel like it was

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<v Speaker 1>like sixty six degrees or something like that. And because

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<v Speaker 1>he had like a blood condition. It caused him to

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<v Speaker 1>feel cold, even more cold than I would feel or

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<v Speaker 1>you would feel, right, And so he dressed warm, probably

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<v Speaker 1>at a point when other people would be fine. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's walking home, he's got the ski mask on. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>calls the police on him because he's suspicious. The police

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<v Speaker 1>show up and he dies. He doesn't have a gun,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not never harmed anybody's not intending to harm anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to communicate, trying to explain everything to him.

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<v Speaker 1>And somehow this would lead you to believe those officers

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<v Speaker 1>showed up with the intentions of doing harm to someone.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's speculative, of course, but you show up without

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<v Speaker 1>the intention of doing harm to someone, and maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>unarmed young person is still alive today. And again, if

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<v Speaker 1>that was it, that would be too much. But the

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<v Speaker 1>officer who's responsible for choking the life out of him

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<v Speaker 1>as he was saying all these things, everything that Q

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<v Speaker 1>said he said, I implore you to go look up

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<v Speaker 1>the transcript or watch the body cam footage again. Elijah McClain,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was in Aurora, Colorado. If you're not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with the story, how he was kind and apologizing,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like I'm just different. I don't mean any harm,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not saying that this is exactly what he said,

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<v Speaker 1>but effectually, this is what he was communicating to the officers.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he lost consciousness and then his life was

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<v Speaker 1>over shortly thereafter. The officer that choked him to death

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<v Speaker 1>is not back on the job with two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in back pay. That's what a lack of police

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<v Speaker 1>accountability looks like. He killed him.

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<v Speaker 2>He killed him.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't live another day of his life, any goals

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<v Speaker 1>and he dreams, anything like that gone. This officer is

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<v Speaker 1>back on the job to potentially do it again with

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<v Speaker 1>an extra two hundred thousand dollars in his pocket, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's no accountability. He's Elijah is gone.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw him.

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<v Speaker 1>You could see his spirit. That's the type of spirit

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<v Speaker 1>that deserves to live. We need more humans like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gone, not drawing bread. They had to bury him,

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<v Speaker 1>and that officer is an officer again with two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars back business as usual. How hurtful is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm past hurt, you know what I mean? Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>this is turned into anger. It's and again perpetual anger

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<v Speaker 2>to live as a as an informed black person in

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<v Speaker 2>this country and in our space where part of what

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<v Speaker 2>we do for a living to do right by you,

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners, and our partners, is to have to ingest

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<v Speaker 2>all of this information on an almost daily basis. It

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<v Speaker 2>takes a lot for us to not be perpetually furious.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd have to be unaware, to be calm, or find

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<v Speaker 2>some way to compartment in lives like we try to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharing the load of this of this burden and this

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<v Speaker 2>trauma and everything that comes with it. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>really impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask, real quick for everybody that does, you know, reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to us on social media. We appreciate all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>Q and I do our best.

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<v Speaker 2>To all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Some more people are really really yeah, but we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the people that are concerned about our mental health and

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<v Speaker 1>we try to take good care of each other, so

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate all that. Now, hang on, now, if this

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<v Speaker 1>officer that killed Elijah McClain being back on the job

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<v Speaker 1>with two hundred thousand dollars in his pocket wasn't enough,

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<v Speaker 1>or if that wasn't too much, how about this? This

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the Black Information Network, the Goon Squad of Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 1>Those cops. Turns out they got away with years of

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<v Speaker 1>police brutality. And this goes back to what I've been

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<v Speaker 1>saying time and again, we only know about these instances

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<v Speaker 1>because these are the police that get caught or when

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<v Speaker 1>they get caught. But indeed, this story goes and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>read a bit, several deputies in Mississippi's rankin County Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 1>Department have engaged in excessive force, police brutality and abuse

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<v Speaker 1>unchecked for years, according to reports. The department was initially

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<v Speaker 1>thrust into national spotlight after five deputies from the department,

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<v Speaker 1>who referred to themselves as the Goon Squad, tortured and

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulted Michael Jenkson. Jenkins and Eddie Terrell park are

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<v Speaker 1>two black men during a raid earlier this year. According

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<v Speaker 1>to court documents and incident reports obtained by Business Insider,

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<v Speaker 1>the violent incident, among several is among several examples of

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<v Speaker 1>police brutality that the officers have gotten away with for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of the officers involved in the torture of Jenkin

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<v Speaker 1>and Parker, Christian Deadman and Hunter Elward, were also reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>present for the deaths of two other black men in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one. One incident report reveals

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<v Speaker 1>that Edwards punched Damien Cameron at least three times and

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<v Speaker 1>tasted him before his death. According to Monica Lee, Cameron's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>the deputies knelt on his back for over fifteen minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>despite complaints that he couldn't breathe. Elward and Deadman were

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<v Speaker 1>also present for the police shooting of Pierre Woods in

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<v Speaker 1>February twenty nineteen, according to documents, So again, what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when this stuff goes unchecked is that it keeps happening.

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<v Speaker 2>They doubled down, they tripled down, And.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to know about these things, because how do

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<v Speaker 1>we change it if you don't