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Speaker 1: First date of follow up powered by the Advocates Injury

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Speaker 1: Attorneys online at advocatesla dot com. Ray is on the

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Speaker 1: phone today for a first date follow up, and she's

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Speaker 1: getting ghosted by a guy named Lucas. So in a

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Speaker 1: few minutes we'll call him and see if you'll tell

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Speaker 1: us why he's ghosting her and maybe get her a

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Speaker 1: second date. But first, Ray, how long has it been

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Speaker 1: since you heard from Lucas?

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Speaker 2: It's been two weeks now, and Brady or silence.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a little while. Yeah, how did you guys

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Speaker 3: leave it at the end of the date.

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Speaker 2: You know, honestly, I thought everything was fine. It was

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Speaker 2: one of the most nourishing dates I've had in a

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Speaker 2: very long time. Nourishing, oh, both feeling, satisfying, validating. I

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Speaker 2: thought it was a perfect date. But so far now

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Speaker 2: I've section three times and absolutely nothing, So I don't

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Speaker 2: know what went wrong.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, Well, why don't you tell us about

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Speaker 1: the date?

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Speaker 2: He took me to a rooftop dinner, super romantic. He

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Speaker 2: split a dessert with me. It was like Disney movie worthy,

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Speaker 2: held my hand across the table, and after dinner he

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Speaker 2: walked around with me downtown and he even made the

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Speaker 2: first kiss. I felt like it was it was serious,

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Speaker 2: like it wasn't like an accidental kiss. It was completely intentional.

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Speaker 1: That's good. I don't know, I've never had an accidental date.

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Speaker 2: But awkward, it is so awkward. Yes, you know, one

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Speaker 2: person goes in for the other, one goes in for

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Speaker 2: like side lips.

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Speaker 1: Never mind I have had Yeah, he just got a visual.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what the picture. What that makes sense?

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Speaker 2: Well, really cute. You know, more happened, but not everything happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you know, he came back to my place.

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Speaker 2: We did not hook up, but we did make out.

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Speaker 2: It was really romantic. You know, we stayed up talking ly.

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Speaker 2: He even stayed over. Like I said, we didn't hook up,

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Speaker 2: but it was very innocent overall.

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Speaker 1: Do y'all just like slept.

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Speaker 2: We literally just you know, made out and talked. Okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And the next morning he even kissed me on the

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's weird.

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Speaker 3: Why would you go somebody after all? That sounds like

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Speaker 3: he really liked you to go back to your place.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, unless he was trying to get it

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Speaker 2: No, Honestly, I think I might. I've been analyzing it

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Speaker 2: I have. And yeah, I think I'm not sure, but

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Speaker 2: I have this thing where I pull up my and

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Speaker 2: I write down little moments that make me happy.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like let's see, It's like I I hear

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Speaker 2: a good quote, I'll save it. If something feels romantic,

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Speaker 2: I'll put it in my notes, you know. If a

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Speaker 1: Problem. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well I did it at dinner. I paused, like mid conversation,

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Speaker 2: and I typed soft group top lighting the city, humming,

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Speaker 1: Okay, did he know that that's what you write?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So he laughed and he said, are you

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Speaker 2: like live blogging me or something?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, So he was maybe thinking it was weird

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Speaker 3: Okay, So then maybe that says it you because if

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Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, like you know, later when he saw

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Speaker 2: but like maybe he wasn't joking. He said, please don't

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Speaker 2: stay in mystery. I mean, I was cute, but he

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Speaker 1: But he's ghosted you ever since. Yes, yeah, Ray is

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Speaker 1: get her a second date. But before we do that, Ray,

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Speaker 1: why don't you break down your date with Lucas again

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I had an amazing date with Lucas.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: He took me to a rooftop bar, We had dessert,

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Speaker 2: for two weeks. Yeah, it's been two weeks. I've texted

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Speaker 2: him three times nothing. I think maybe he's like a

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Speaker 2: these sweet moments. Ah.

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Speaker 1: And do you think that might be why he's ghosting you?

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Speaker 2: I do think so, because I can't think of any

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, are you ready for us to call him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. Hello, Hi, man, I speaking to Lucas. Please.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, who's calling?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Lucas? How are you? This is a radio show.

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Speaker 1: It's called The Jeubile Show, Lucas, I'm Nina. Hi, I'm Victoria,

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Speaker 1: and my name is Jule. What's up?

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Speaker 4: Hey? What? Why am I getting a call from a

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. Have you ever listened to the

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Speaker 1: Jebel Show before, Lucas, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean I've heard of it. I've definitely heard it before.

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Speaker 1: Cool. Well, we do a segment on the show that's

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Speaker 1: called the First Date follow Up. That's where if you

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Speaker 1: go out on a date with somebody and you ghost them,

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Speaker 1: that person can email us to get you on the

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Speaker 1: phone and ask why you're ghosting? And we got an

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, okay, And her.

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Speaker 1: Name is Ray Yep, that's yeah. So Ray all her doing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is her doing. Okay, well, yeah, we talked to

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Speaker 1: her about your date. She said it sound I mean,

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Speaker 1: it sound a fantastic Would you mind telling us why

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, the date was fine, and like, I guess,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm like, we're doing this on the radio.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I really feel comfortable with that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you said it's her doing, and anybody who

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Speaker 1: prepared to hear whatever. So she she knows that it's

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's just like some stuff going on at work.

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Speaker 4: There's a like there's another girl at work that uh,

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Speaker 4: she's actually like my ex that I dated for four years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you work with your ex?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we all work together and Ray too. Yeah them, So,

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Speaker 4: like we broke up three months ago. We still share

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Speaker 1: Oh so you still live with your ex who you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's only been three months, so it's like not

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Speaker 4: you know, I just haven't had It's not it's obviously

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Speaker 5: It's just that, like I said, we were together for

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Speaker 5: four years. We share a dog. So I stayed at

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Speaker 5: Raith's place. When I got I just told Aaron. I

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Speaker 4: She was like, if you're emotionally moving on this fast,

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Speaker 4: live together. She was like, then you need to move

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Speaker 4: out now. And she was like, no more situationship whatever

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Speaker 4: we're calling this. And I just kind of like annicked,

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Speaker 4: you know, and I realized I just hadn't actually ended

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Speaker 3: Into you know, but you already Lucas.

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Speaker 1: I do have to let you know that Ray is

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Speaker 1: actually on the phone and wants to talk to you. Yeah, what.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was an email?

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Speaker 1: Well it started out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am shocked, absolutely stunned. You could have told

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Speaker 2: and we had talked about it, because you did confide

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Speaker 2: you just talk to something. I just figured if there

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't. It wasn't about It was not about

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Speaker 4: pursue this if we had been able to go out again.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't trying to hurt you. I wasn't trying to

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Speaker 4: it doesn't bear that level of explanation yet. We were

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Speaker 2: What are you talking? You literally spent the night at

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously, you know, it's not just the kind of

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Speaker 4: so it takes a little time. Like I said, it's

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm ready to move on fully.

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Speaker 2: What you're actually married? You're married?

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Speaker 4: What? What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: What did you what you just said? Divorce?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I did?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, Well it seems like you have a lot

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Speaker 1: to figure out, Lucas. But I do have to ask

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Speaker 1: because it is a first date. Follow up, Lucies, would

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Speaker 1: you like another date with Ray? We'll pay for it.

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Speaker 4: I mean I would want to go out again. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I want to go out again. I'm interested in her.

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Speaker 4: I had a good time. I just need time to

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Speaker 4: is what I would plan to do.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess we should be asking Ray, do you

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Speaker 3: even want to go out to say again?

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Speaker 2: You know, fine, but only if you move out that

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Speaker 2: it's over with Aaron.

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Speaker 1: You do want to go with him again?

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Speaker 2: I need him to promise me that it's actually over

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Speaker 2: with her. And then he's cleared his drawer from her bathroom. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's moved out, and then on a date.

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Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, Ray, it looks like you're going to go

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Speaker 1: on a second date with Lucas as soon as he

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Speaker 1: figures out it's divorced. We congratulations.

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Speaker 4: Great, you can start to document the beginning of our

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Speaker 4: fairy tale hunt.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you Will's first date fall up.