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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Giants, get the Giants bubbling, Give me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network, Let's row.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 3: I am John Schmelk, joining us from the Hacketsack and

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Speaker 3: Meridian Health podcast studio Keep Getting Better. Joined by Matt Matticherian.

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Speaker 3: He is the COO of Sports Info Solutions. Former NFL

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Speaker 3: scout for both the Saints and the Browns, he joins

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Speaker 3: us every year at this time.

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Speaker 1: Matt, how you doing, man.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. It's doing great. I can't believe it's

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Speaker 2: April already.

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Speaker 1: It's gone faster this year.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there are a fewer weeks between for

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Speaker 3: agency and the draft, and like much like me, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure you guys are cramming to try to get all

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Speaker 3: this stuff on your draft board out, just trying to

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Speaker 3: get in as many guys here before we get to

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Speaker 3: the draft, which is less than three weeks away.

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Speaker 2: Yep, we're cramming away a little bit later than we

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Speaker 2: normally have things up this year because we got so busy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's why it feels like its snuck up, But

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Speaker 2: we're putting up. We have about one hundred reports up

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Speaker 2: as of the recording right now. We'll have another fifty

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Speaker 2: up probably by the time this gets out there, so

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Speaker 2: tons of reports and we'll get probably to about three

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Speaker 2: hundred before the draft comes around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Sports Information Solutions, it's awesome. You can go to

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft dot Sports Infosolutions dot com slash big hyphen

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Speaker 3: board and that'll give you the draft board that you.

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Speaker 1: Guys have put together. So Matt, let's start here.

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Speaker 3: You guys are a analytics company, a statistical company, however

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Speaker 3: you want to phrase it.

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Speaker 1: You can explain it for the fans if you like.

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Speaker 3: How is putting together your board with your scouting staff

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Speaker 3: maybe a little bit similar a little bit different to

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Speaker 3: what you used to do with NFL teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the way that we do our board, it's

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Speaker 2: really built to be exactly like the way a team

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Speaker 2: would do it from when I was with the Saints,

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Speaker 2: when I was with the Browns, totally from a scouting perspective.

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Speaker 2: The way that we assign the reports, so we have

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Speaker 2: different people that have assignments throughout the whole year. Those

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Speaker 2: are our primary reports that we put in on players,

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Speaker 2: and then we get cross checks by position, and then

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Speaker 2: it goes up through the through the ladder. I'm honestly

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Speaker 2: I'm letting the scouting department kind of take over. Separately

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Speaker 2: from that, yeah, separately from that, all of the people

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Speaker 2: that are writing these reports are also gathering the data

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Speaker 2: that we collect throughout the season, and to not it's

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Speaker 2: it's stats, but it's also really football information. It's broken tackles,

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Speaker 2: website at NFL Draft dot Sports Infosolutions dot Com, you'll

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Speaker 2: see there's the exact draft Matrix style horizontal board that

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Speaker 2: then there's also different advanced stats that you can see

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Speaker 3: So what are some of the things that you learn

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Speaker 1: There's more data than we've ever had.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to the NFL and stuff like that, Matt,

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Speaker 2: It's a great big unsolvable puzzle. It's like trying to

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Speaker 3: So how much of you realized athletic testing predicts what happens,

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Speaker 2: on the things that really do.

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Speaker 3: by the way, on Thursday, April third, just so people.

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Speaker 1: Understand where we're at. You never know when news can break.

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Speaker 3: The Colorado Pro Day is tomorrow, so this is being

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Speaker 3: recorded before that. You have Mason Graham right now with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not going to change for us. So from

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Speaker 2: they're both strong, starting level players. They both have the

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Speaker 3: So on Graham, I find this interesting, and by the way,

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Speaker 3: I think Graham is an excellent play so I'm not

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Speaker 3: He didn't test at all. Does that when you guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny when you don't have any

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Speaker 2: testing data, it can really affect you negatively in terms

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Speaker 2: of you can be afraid of somebody because you're you're

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Speaker 2: I undergraded Aaron Donald just like everybody else who scouted

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Speaker 2: There's no reason he can't be uh per Patrick's or

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Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 1: He is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So those are both really interesting points. So just

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Speaker 2: But I think I'm with you. He you can't get

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Speaker 3: that's worked out. You'll probably find guys where it hasn't.

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Speaker 3: He was very simple, absolutely say that has not worked out.

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Speaker 1: And maybe the thing with Burden right where he doesn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the second guy on the board there right now.

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Speaker 2: the disruptiveness at the line of scrimmage, it's more that

437
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 2: stuff than somebody who's coming out as a Polis pass rusher,

438
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 2: so we sort of have him as a starting level

439
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 2: player on the next.

440
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 3: Level, all right, one of the guy that you're really

441
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 3: high on and as a group, And I'd be honest

442
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 3: with you, I had trouble finding this on the film.

443
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: That's Will Johnson, the cornerback out of Michigan.

444
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 3: I just felt like, especially this year's tape, there's just

445
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 3: a lot of throws where you know, the basic point

446
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 3: of playing corner is to be as close to the

447
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 3: wide receiver as possible and prevent them from catching the

448
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 3: football right, And there's just way too many plays where

449
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 3: guys just make easy catches in front of him. And

450
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 3: I think I saw it Franklin the twenty three film

451
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 3: as well.

452
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: Why am I wrong?

453
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? So that's interesting because I think the film this

454
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: year is not very good. There's really some limitations that

455
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 2: showed up this year that you didn't expect to see

456
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 2: in the past. And I thought it looked better when

457
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 2: you looked at the twenty twenty three film.

458
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: I agree. I thought it was better in twenty three,

459
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: no question.

460
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So our scout, Jordan Edwards was our primary on him. Obviously,

461
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: you look at somebody like this, you love the length,

462
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: the size. He thinks he fits better in his zone

463
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,719
Speaker 2: based scheme. So he does get worried some about the

464
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: man stuff and how many NFL defenses. You know, you're

465
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: gonna have to be playing a little bit of both.

466
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 2: But if he can get into his scheme where it's

467
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 2: more he can play in the quarters kind of variety

468
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: and be doing a lot of this stuff on that level,

469
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: it's a much better fit than somebody who's going to

470
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 2: be asked to do a whole lot in man. He

471
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: sees him as somebody that has good football intelligence, that

472
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: play the ball, that has great length, and basically could

473
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: be a number two corner for a team in the

474
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: long run.

475
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: There.

476
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: So again we have him at that at that six

477
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: point seven level grade basically a number two corner. But

478
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: I think you do have to go back a little

479
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: bit to the twenty twenty three film to see some

480
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: of some of his best.

481
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm with you on that, all right. Your two

482
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: top running backs, Ashton Genty and Amarion Hampton.

483
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: That's not a surprise that that seems to be the

484
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 3: consensus of the top two backs. I think it was

485
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 3: interesting is that you have identical grades on the two players.

486
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 3: Why do you think Genty is not a level above Hampton?

487
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: A lot of people have Genty in that super elite

488
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: type of category. You guys have him just at a

489
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: six to eight.

490
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see some of those reports coming out on

491
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: Jentt right now where where it's the second coming and

492
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: he's and he's truly that elite elite. We think this

493
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: is a strong starter. We think he's got a ton

494
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: of potential and we've all seen what he can do

495
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: as sort of a high end player. Our grading scale

496
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: is really really keen on people that can contribute in

497
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: the passing game. So as good a running back as

498
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: we see with Gant, and he's a great running back,

499
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 2: it's the passing game impact that limits him in our

500
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: in our grading scale where we have him as just

501
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 2: sufficient ability player. There. You look at his total points

502
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 2: rating receiving total points being kind of our overall player

503
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 2: value stat on a one to ninety nine scale, he's

504
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: a ninety nine in terms of rushing. He's just a

505
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: sixty in terms of receiving. So we haven't seen the

506
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: production there. There's some questions about the skill set and

507
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: we kind of I want to see that on film

508
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 2: before we're giving somebody that elite that's seven to zero

509
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: type of grade, that Josh Jacob's type of grade, that

510
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley type of grade. We think that he can

511
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: be as good a runner as those players, But until

512
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: we see it all put together on the film where

513
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 2: a little gunshoy on giving him the blue chip type rating.

514
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: And what do you guys like about a Marion Hampton.

515
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: Amara in Hampton the athletic ability he's He's just an

516
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: exciting back to watch. I've as a as a Duke fan,

517
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: had the disappointment of seeing him from time to time.

518
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: But again, somebody who can get the ball and run

519
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: you over. Absolutely excellent with the ball in his hand.

520
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: No doubts about that part of his game. The contact balance,

521
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: the toughness, uh, the playmaking ability. He's kind of an

522
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: exciting playmaker coming out of North Carolina. And you know,

523
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: even though I hate to say it, I have to,

524
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: I have to admit it in terms of the way

525
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: he plays. Brings a little bit more as a receiver

526
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: as well, which is going to kind of tick him

527
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: up despite gent being a better ball carrier as kind

528
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: of a pure athlete. But yeah, we have those guys.

529
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: You'll like them as strong three down starters, either of

530
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: those players.

531
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: And obviously we don't have the type of talent at

532
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: the top of the wide receiver class Matt as we

533
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: had last year.

534
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: You have Tepic Milly as a six seven.

535
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 3: I agree, he's a guy that for me is going

536
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: to be a very good starter in this league. Not

537
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: sure if he's a pure number one for you, but

538
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 3: he's going to be a very good player. What's your

539
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: overall taking this wide receiver class? Like, you have a

540
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 3: Buka and Golden kind of touching tag. That's all I

541
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: have them too, Just your overall thoughts on kind of

542
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: what the sweet spot is for trying to find a

543
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: good value at a good wide receiver. To me, it's

544
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 3: kind of in that middle round too, where I think

545
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: it gets pretty heavy down there. We get the Iowa

546
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: State kids and you get some of the other guys

547
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: there that could be pretty good Day two values.

548
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. My general philosophy on receivers and running backs is

549
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: try not to draft them if you've got another option,

550
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: because eventually you're going to get to another round and

551
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: there's going to be some receiver and some running back

552
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: that you like. There that you'd be happy to draft,

553
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: but you're not going to have a tackle that you

554
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 2: can get or something like that. So now you do

555
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: need the high end players at these positions, and I

556
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: think McMillan is a really interesting one in terms of

557
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: just like a big body guy who can be a load.

558
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: He had, by the way, great reps against Travis Hunter

559
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: when they played against each other. I thought that was

560
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: some of his more impressive film. But I'm kinda of

561
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: the opinion as it comes to this draft that unless

562
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: you're gonna draft a Hunter to be your guy offensively,

563
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: I would rather stay away and sort of see how

564
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: the chips fall, because they'll probably be a guy that

565
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: you like that's sitting there two grades of two rounds

566
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: above where you're ready to pull people off on your

567
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: board at that position eventually. So I'm always of that opinion,

568
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: and I guess the Rams do it pretty well.

569
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: I would say absolutely.

570
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: You mentioned Ted mcmowan, I want to ask you about

571
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 3: him because I think what makes him unique. And you know,

572
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: I'm not watching a ton of Arizona football. It's in

573
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 3: a West Coast game is late at night, I got

574
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: two kids, I'm sleeping.

575
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: But when I sat down and watched them. For a

576
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: guy that's six' four two twenty his, like once he

577
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: gets the ball in his, hands he's pretty elusive and

578
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: quick side to, side AND i was not expecting that

579
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: from a guy of that size and.

580
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: Weight, YEAH i think he's a he's a nice looking.

581
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: Player he's interesting after the, catch like you, said not

582
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: somebody that's running away from, Anybody not somebody that's taking

583
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: the top off the. Defense so it's hard to like

584
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: prioritize a kind of high first round great on somebody like.

585
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: That but somebody that can win at the contested catch.

586
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: Point somebody that you can involve in your run. Game

587
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: he showed some good physicality and willingness to participate in

588
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: there over the course of. Time and then a guy

589
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 2: that THAT i thought stepped up when he had his

590
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: biggest opportunities. There so not running away from, anybody but

591
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: certainly can run after the. Catch to your, point.

592
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: And looking at your board, here and some of these

593
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: guys haven't even greater for, you And i'm sure they'll

594
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: be in your next stack going, In Like Tyler warren's

595
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: not on here, Yet Terrence ferguson's not on here or.

596
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: Yet but you guys as a group seem to really

597
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: like this tight end.

598
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: Class, yeah there's definitely some players in this tight end.

599
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: Class this is a good year to be in the

600
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: in the tight end market relative to different. Years Certainly

601
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: WARREN i, think is gonna come out graded really. Well

602
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: he's kind of in that in That Penn state tight

603
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: end lineage type, category and he might he might be

604
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: as good as any of them in a. While SO

605
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: i think there are a couple of different sort of

606
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: brands of tight, ends like you usually see more towards

607
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: the move guys than the traditional inline blockers as we

608
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: see every. Year but generally, speaking a decent year to

609
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: be in the. Market there a decent year to be

610
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: in the market for some offensive linemen may whereas maybe

611
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: not the same high end quarterbacks and receivers like we

612
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: saw last.

613
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: Year you, know we talk about classes every year and

614
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: how they're. Different what in your, Opinion, mattter someone has

615
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: done this a long time and on both this side

616
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: of things and when you were a, scout what to

617
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: you makes this particular draft class?

618
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: Unique Travis? Hunter Travis hunter is pretty pretty unique to. Me,

619
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: now the general the general sort of texture of this

620
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: draft CLASS i don't think that there's a ton of

621
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: super super high. END i think you really Have hunter.

622
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: THERE i don't know if we're going to have any

623
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: Other Blue chippers on our. Board at the end of the,

624
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: day you got a decent quarterback, class some interesting depth

625
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: in the quarterback, Class Jalen milroe being somebody THAT i

626
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: would be interested in if you could get him at

627
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: the right. PRICE i don't know what that price is

628
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: going to be because it seems like he keeps going,

629
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: Up SO i think that's. Interesting but, really this year's

630
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: class maybe not a ton of top ten picks that

631
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: gets you really, excited but there are a lot of

632
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: contributors that are available throughout college. Football there is pretty

633
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: good depth throughout the, draft and there's gonna be a

634
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: lot of players that are contributing early in THEIR nfl

635
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: careers from this. Draft so that's probably the thing that

636
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: stands out to me more than any.

637
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: Else if you want to know how to manage two

638
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: minutes of crunch time, Football i'm Your. Matt but if

639
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: you're wondering about a long term financial, plan you should

640
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: talk to. Citizens, HEY i can also talk long. Care

641
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: i'd like to learn About amolli. Routine, YES i KNEW

642
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 4: i could help make sense of your money with.

643
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: Citizens, yeah and, look AND i think it's a draft, Too.

644
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: Matt to your, point there's not a ton of high end.

645
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: TALENT i think there'll probably be fewer first round grades

646
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: on a lot of boards this year than we've had

647
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: in years. Past and to, me that screams just make

648
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: the safe, pick. Right if you're shooting for the stars

649
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: on some of, these you're gonna come out with players

650
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: that are not going to work out for if you

651
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: reach too much for. Need but if you get there

652
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: and you're picking twenty third and there's a guy there

653
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: that you think is going to be like a good starting,

654
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: guard just pick the, player, like don't try to get

655
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: too fancy ay year like this where you, know maybe

656
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 3: the high end talent isn't what it usually is in other.

657
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Classes, well so.

658
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the giants at the top of the.

659
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: Draft how how's that going to play? Out we need

660
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 2: to how do you want that to play? Out CAN

661
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: i CAN i turn the tables on you?

662
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: Here?

663
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Absolutely i've talked about this a, ton look to,

664
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: me and we've even talked let the.

665
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: Players we can do that here.

666
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: Too but if somehow Cam ward is, THERE i think

667
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: he has the requisite high ceiling quarterback talent in his

668
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: arm Where i'd be willing to pick him that. HIGH

669
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: i think he's probably the only quarterback in the CLASS

670
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: i would select at that. High to be totally honest with, you,

671
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: THOUGH i, understand if you bring shit or in the

672
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: building and you talk to, him and the board work

673
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: and the mental stuff is so good you can't resist,

674
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: them And Brian dable falls in love with, them then.

675
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: Great but, yeah just my personal.

676
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: OPINION i look At carter AND i look At hunter

677
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: as the two legitimate guys THAT i think can be

678
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: high end. Talent in terms Of carter's long term, POTENTIAL

679
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: i Agree mason gram might be a better player, now

680
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: BUT i think as a pass rusher down the, Road

681
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: carter is a chance to get into that upper.

682
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: Tier we know how valuable that could. BE i do

683
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: wonder about The carter's health.

684
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: Stuff he couldn't participate in the pro, day So i'll

685
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: have to have my doctors look at. THAT i obviously

686
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: don't have the, information SO i can't comment on. It but,

687
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: LOOK i do think for a guy Like, HUNTER i

688
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: Think brian dable visualizing how he might be able to

689
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: use him With Malik. Neighbors my guess is that he'll

690
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: be in the office With Joe Jane pound on the table,

691
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: like just give me this.

692
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: Guy he's gonna help our.

693
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: Defense i'll figure out a way to help him, out

694
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: have him help us a lot on offense, Too and

695
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: then you put another really good player Around Russell wilson

696
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: that has great ball skills outside For russ to kind

697
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 3: of do the moon ball outside the numbers to him

698
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: And Milik. Neighbors if you're trying to win games this,

699
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: YEAR i think that's probably the way to.

700
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: Go, yeah if you think About neighbors And hunter being

701
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: on the field at the same, time it's hard not

702
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: to get. Excited as A giants. FAN i think that's

703
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: WHAT i would be cheering for IF i were in your.

704
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: Shoes certainly agree with you That carter has unbelievable upside

705
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: his get, off the burst the. JUICE i don't think

706
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: he has sort of the ability to play with power

707
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: the way That parsons, does and that's maybe the only separator.

708
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: There but he's got a lot of the other, Stuff

709
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: and to be, HONEST i didn't See parsons as being

710
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: as powerful as he ended up being as AN nfl.

711
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: Player you, KNOW i didn't see that At Penn state

712
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: as much, either so maybe he'll grow into. It on

713
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: the quarterback, front Cam ward is probably gonna end up

714
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: being our highest ranked player. Here it was funny that

715
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: you brought him up right after saying take the safe,

716
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: pick because he's far from his safe. Pick you talked

717
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: about a pick that could flame. Out he could flame

718
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: out hard because he it's yolo ball sometimes with him back.

719
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: There but there's also you, Know Will levis is yolo ball,

720
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: sometimes but there's much more good that you stee consistently

721
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: on the college film with Cam. Wod he's also making

722
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: plays that nobody else in college football could. Make chador

723
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: is funny if you were sitting. There to, ME i

724
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: would have the hardest decision IF i was sitting there

725
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: with Cam ward And Travis hunter off the board and

726
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: wondering If shador is the right. GUY i think you're.

727
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Right at the end of the. Day there's this isn't

728
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: a can't miss. Prospect, athletically he's good like he's very,

729
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: athletic Like Drew brees' is, athletic But he's not somebody

730
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: who's running Like Lamar. Jackson he's not big and strong

731
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: Like Josh. Allen that's he doesn't have arm strength Like Patrick.

732
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: Mahomes this is not this is not the prospect that

733
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: we're talking. About but he clearly exudes. Leadership you could

734
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: tell the way his teammates follow. Him he is somebody

735
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: who gets the ball where it needs to be really

736
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: good short accuracy can distribute the. Ball so think more

737
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: of like A tua and A Teddy bridgewater type of

738
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: style to his game than than your big arm typical

739
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: number three overall. Pick but at the same, time if

740
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: you met with him and you loved the, kid and

741
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: you believe That dion would be an asset and not

742
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: a liability in, however he plays into the whole, thing

743
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: which is a different. MATTER i think this is a

744
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: quarterback THAT i COULD i could see leading AN nfl

745
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: team deep into the. Playoffs that wouldn't surprise me one.

746
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: Bit, yeah and you know that's the, thing AND i

747
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: always talk about this evaluating, Quarterbacks, Matt like you get

748
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: out of a draft and you wind up with like

749
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: the sixteenth best receiver in The National Football. LEAGUE i

750
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: THINK i feel pretty good about, it, Right but if

751
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: you walk go out of the draft and you wind

752
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: up with the sixteenth best, quarterback that doesn't move the

753
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: needle quite as, much you know WHAT i.

754
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: Mean it's hard to win.

755
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: A Super bowl with the sixteen best, quarterback but you

756
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: certainly win A Super bowl with the sixteenth best wide.

757
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: Receiver so it's just a very different, position and the

758
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: standards are so much higher just because of the type

759
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: of play you require from that position to win at

760
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: a high.

761
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: Level i'm with, you AND i generally agree with, you

762
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: And i'm, like, NO i want to shot at a

763
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: top five. GUY i want to shot at My Josh,

764
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: challion my Lamar, Mi Patrick. Mahomes at the same, time

765
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: maybe we've swung a little too far in that. Direction

766
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: maybe we're going a little bit too much like. That

767
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: we need the top quarterback in the world and that's

768
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: the only thing that can work for, us because there

769
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: are a lot of teams that have won a lot

770
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: of football games and Won Super bowls with good quarter

771
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: back play and outstanding teams around. Them so SOMETIMES i,

772
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 2: think you, Know Drew brees was the second round. Pick

773
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: he was not somebody who jumped off the, athletically and

774
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: he didn't win until after he got injured in his

775
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: arm wasn't even anything near what it once. Was but

776
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: you didn't need all that because of his, leadership because

777
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: of his pocket, athleticism because of the way that he

778
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: could orchestrate the offense that he ended up. IN i

779
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: sometimes think we might have gone a little bit too

780
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: far in terms OF i need the toolsiest quarterback in

781
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: the world and could go back, to, oh, wait, no

782
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: you know you can. Win you can win a lot

783
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: of games with this guy right. Here SO i struggle that.

784
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: ONE i struggle with that one. Myself.

785
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah and it's, funny LIKE i was talking about those

786
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: some of the other, day and you go through swings

787
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: in this, right we went through a period where all

788
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: the tools these guys did not work.

789
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: Out, Right you go back to The.

790
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: Jake, Walker Christian Marcus, Russell, yeah all those, guys, right

791
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: just go through, it and it was, like, boy you

792
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: pick the guy that's, accurating can throw in the. Pocket

793
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: but now we've gotten into this period Where Josh allen,

794
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: Hit Lamar jackson, Hit Patrick mahomes, Hit Jaden daniels, hit

795
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: and you're, like, oh maybe you do need a guy

796
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: with all the. Tools SO i wonder when you get

797
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: to the end of this, conversation is that it's just.

798
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: Really hard to evaluate.

799
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks and depending on the, time sometimes the guy with

800
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: the really good tools is gonna figure it. Out sometimes

801
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 3: the guy that doesn't have, great you, know physical tools

802
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 3: is gonna figure it. Out and it's just a matter

803
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: of finding the right guy that no matter what their tools,

804
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: are they're gonna find the way to figure it out

805
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: just because they're a good football.

806
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: Player.

807
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: YEAH i, mean we're not just evaluating prospects. Here we're

808
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: projecting them into situations that we don't know where they're

809
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna end. Up if this stuff was, predictable

810
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 2: that would be. Weird so you, Know Geno smith's becoming

811
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 2: good at football after the, Fact like that's who predicted.

812
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: That oh, YEAH i had that career arc on my bingo.

813
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: Board so we're trying to predict humans in a very complicated.

814
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: Sport so, yeah it's.

815
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: Difficult, yeah And i'm going to throw on top of.

816
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: That as a, scout you, know one of your main

817
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: jobs was find out what makes this guy, tick, Right

818
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: talk to the equipment, guys talk to the people around the.

819
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: Program what is he like as a? Person is he

820
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: going to put the work? In that's?

821
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 3: Necessary BUT i think when you're building a board based

822
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: on film work and stuff like that from the outside looking,

823
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: in how do you balance that knowing from being a

824
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: scout how important that football. Character that's how i'll kind

825
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: of frase all that stuff. Together is but now that

826
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 3: you're doing on the outside looking and maybe you don't

827
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: have the football character stuff to put into the.

828
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: Evaluation, yeah we don't have, that and that's a clear

829
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: limitation of what we're doing compared to people that have,

830
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: that you, know going out tell those schools and having

831
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: their area scouts. There What i'll say is as a

832
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: scout WHEREVER i was in THE, nfl we were all

833
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: taught to evaluate the player and then to evaluate the

834
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: character and get all the background information and all this

835
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: sort of stuff that you can and to sort of

836
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: separate those into two different. Buckets, now, yes a player's

837
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: ability to learn is somewhere straddling the line where you're

838
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: trying to project how they're gonna end. Up kind of

839
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: how well they can learn things is going to be

840
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: an important data point, There so it's never completely, Separate

841
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: but generally, speaking you grade the players and then you

842
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: evaluate the character and then you put those together after the.

843
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: Fact so in terms of where we come, from it's

844
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: not that. Different it's just we get to stop with

845
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: WHAT i call The february, board the board that doesn't

846
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: take into account all the, combine all the pro, days

847
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: all the, doctors medical everything like. That this is just

848
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: about what the film.

849
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: Shows, yeah, absolutely AND i think that's really the challenge of.

850
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: It All, Right, matt we told a lot of different.

851
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 3: Things anything that you think the folks should know or

852
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: understand is they go to your, board look at and

853
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: look at this. Draft think about the draft as a

854
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: fan that maybe you think people don't talk about, enough

855
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: but you think it's really important and kind of the

856
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: time you've done.

857
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: This the number one THING i would say is go

858
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: check out what we call the Draft. Matrix it's AT

859
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: nfl draft Dot Sports infosolutions Dot com slash. Matrix you

860
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: can also click around to find. It but this is

861
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: the horizontal. Board so this is how teams think about,

862
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: drafting and it's not what fans think because it's different THAN.

863
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: Espn it's not just a one to three hundred list

864
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: of your. Players ranked in order across all the. Positions

865
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: that kind of, happens but that's a very specific part

866
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: of the. Process what really sort of matters is the horizontal.

867
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: Board being able to understand the grades across, positions so

868
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: you have your quarterbacks separated from running, backs, receivers et.

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Speaker 2: Cetera and it gives you a sense of the depth

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Speaker 2: that exists at each position in the, draft so that

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Speaker 2: you can understand where you might need to take somebody

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Speaker 2: if you really need, somebody and that sort of. Thing

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Speaker 2: but it helps contextualize when people ask, me how do

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Speaker 2: you feel about needs versus? VALUE i always want, value

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Speaker 2: and it's not That i'm not thinking about. Needs it's

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Speaker 2: that you're always one injury away from a new, need

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Speaker 2: and so being able to look at the positions that

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Speaker 2: you value more and understand how you value a quarterback

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Speaker 2: and a left tackle probably more than you do an

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Speaker 2: off ball. Linebacker that sort of thing becomes really easy

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Speaker 2: to think about when you start thinking about things the

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Speaker 2: way that the teams, do which is dividing out not

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Speaker 2: just the vertical, board but the horizontal board that splits

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Speaker 2: it by. Position so that probably be the number one

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Speaker 2: thing THAT i would, Say but there's a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff on there when you can check out scouting,

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Speaker 2: reports which you'll be added day by day as we keep,

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Speaker 2: going and the top of the board will be filled out.

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Speaker 2: Soon and the different stats that you can look at

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Speaker 2: that break down different aspects of players, game not just

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Speaker 2: how good are, they how good are they going to,

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Speaker 2: be but also what type of player are, they WHICH

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Speaker 2: i think is as much a part of the puzzle

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Speaker 2: in football as anything.

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Speaker 3: Else, yeah and then my final point just to bring

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Speaker 3: back to the draft class, map BECAUSE i think it's.

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Speaker 3: INTERESTING i think this is a year because of the

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Speaker 3: nature of the, class like we've talked about it right,

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Speaker 3: WHERE i think you might see some of those positions

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Speaker 3: where you, know the top tight end makes under twenty million,

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Speaker 3: dollars the top safety doesn't make a. Ton just because

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Speaker 3: of the nature of the, class you're going to see

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Speaker 3: some of these positions of not great. VALUE i think

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Speaker 3: maybe get pushed up in this class a little bit

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Speaker 3: more than we've seen in past ones because you don't

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Speaker 3: have so many of the great offensive, tackles great wide,

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Speaker 3: receivers some of those other what people will, consider you,

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Speaker 3: know kind of core ultra premium type of.

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Speaker 2: Positions, yeah it'd be interesting to see if the recent

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Speaker 2: surgeon value for, guards if that, continues or if we

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Speaker 2: kind of level out. There that's that's What i'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to seeing how.

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Speaker 1: That goes me, Too.

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Speaker 3: Matt this was, awesome, Dude thanks again for joining. Us

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