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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, and welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: the Falcons Final Whistle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Scott Behar.

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Speaker 1: That's Steve Frickin' weisch in Flowery Branch at the brand

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Speaker 1: new Ticketmaster studios, which you just toured. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming up, man, this is big day for us.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me. I mean, these studios, come on,

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Speaker 3: this is like NFL Network. We got some new studios

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Speaker 3: there two years ago and this is pretty spectacular. I mean,

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Speaker 3: great investment by the ball club. It's going to make

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Speaker 3: your life a lot easier, making it a lot easier

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Speaker 3: for everybody here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's going to be fun to see. We've

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Speaker 1: had so many of the Falcons new free agents come

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Speaker 1: in sit in that chair that you're sitting in right now.

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Speaker 1: Pretty soon we're going to have the number eight overall pick,

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Speaker 1: at least that's where they're slotted right now. The NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft is coming up. The Falcons currently have eight selections

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Speaker 1: won in the first round, second and third, rounds two,

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Speaker 1: and the fourth. They just traded a fifth round pick

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Speaker 1: for a guy named Jeff Okuda, who we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into that later. But this is a pre draft show.

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Speaker 3: Steve.

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Speaker 1: But how can you talk about the draft unless you

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Speaker 1: talk about what's been done before it because all that

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Speaker 1: kind of funnels into what they could do at number

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Speaker 1: eight and on Day two and on forward. So before

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Speaker 1: we go forward to the draft, let's go back talk

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Speaker 1: about what the Falcons did with the second highest amount

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Speaker 1: of salary cap space in the league out of getting

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Speaker 1: out getting out of salary cap HG double hockey stacks.

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Speaker 3: Right in prison, in the salary cap prison for a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's your take on I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: so many moves, so many to list, but what like,

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Speaker 1: what was your take over all about what Arthur Smith

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Speaker 1: and Terry Fontina were able to do since the league

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Speaker 1: year started.

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Speaker 3: Well, clearly they said, okay, we have some pillars on

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Speaker 3: our defense, but now it's time to fill in the walls, right,

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Speaker 3: to build a wall. So going in and getting David

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Speaker 3: Ayamada from the Saints, I think he's just stud You

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Speaker 3: know when people signed them didn't It didn't cause a

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Speaker 3: lot of headlines, but that dude to help a player, right,

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Speaker 3: And of course Ryan Nielson, the new defensive coordinator, comes

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Speaker 3: then they had Kalais Campbell.

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Speaker 2: That was a huge get, a huge get because of.

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Speaker 3: The position flex right. He can play inside, he can

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Speaker 3: play outside if you got if it's a run type situation,

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Speaker 3: a goal line situation, move him outside. Really get heavy

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Speaker 3: up front. So that's a nice pickup. But then on

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Speaker 3: the back end you get Jesse Bates right, a true

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Speaker 3: free safety guy with a lot of range, but he

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Speaker 3: allow Richie Grant to kind of be more of that

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Speaker 3: down and stick people and do things like so that'll

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Speaker 3: give him that freedom to play some strong safety principles.

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Speaker 3: Let's not forget the fact that they went out and

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Speaker 3: they acquired Johnny Smith tight end. To me, that really

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Speaker 3: is going to change what they do offensively because now

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Speaker 3: you've got tight ends who can block, tight ends, you

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Speaker 3: can flex. You got a big wide receiver with Drake London.

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Speaker 3: I think they still got to add at least one

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Speaker 3: wide receiver in the draft at least, and someone who

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Speaker 3: so you say to yourself, Okay, how does this affect

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Speaker 3: the draft? Well, they're not going to go and draft

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Speaker 3: a defensive tackle high. They're stacked there, right. I know,

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Speaker 3: kalays Campbell's on a one year deal. You know Grady's

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Speaker 3: probably got two more years. You're good there. Okay, how's

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Speaker 3: you know you're not going to draft a safety high?

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Speaker 3: There's not one a draft high anyway. But you're going

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Speaker 3: kind of sets the table for the draft. And you've

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Speaker 3: so that takes that position off the plate as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can start to see that the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote pressing needs are getting smaller and smaller, and I

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Speaker 1: think that that's the objectives. You can walk in there

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Speaker 1: wherever we are, but where can we add? Where can

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Speaker 1: latest moves by the Falcons trade of a fifth round

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Speaker 1: pick to Detroit for Jeff Okudah. Right, everybody knows him

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Speaker 1: the Ohio State a number three overall pick. Correct, So

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Speaker 1: recent one as we're recording this is, you know, the

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Speaker 1: the reported edition of outside linebacker slash pass rusher Bud Dupree,

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Speaker 1: who everybody knows, another first round pick coming in. Does

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Speaker 1: do those guys influence number eight?

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Speaker 2: Well to two part?

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Speaker 1: Do you like those moves and do they influence what's

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Speaker 2: Are those things independent enough?

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Speaker 3: like the moves. Yeah, I don't think either one of

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Speaker 3: savior type of player. Right. You know, bud Dupree, someone

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Speaker 3: has been injured a lot the last couple of years.

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Speaker 3: He had a couple of really flashing years in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: They let him glow. He's had some go and had

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Speaker 3: you know, Ebukattie, they've got Malone, They've got some players

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Speaker 3: there who aren't just gonna let this thing go. Sure,

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Speaker 3: so he's got to compete for a roster spot. He's

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Speaker 3: got to make this team. I don't think it's a

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Speaker 3: I think he makes the team. I think this could

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Speaker 3: You know, look, that's gonna be a competition thing to

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Speaker 3: be a competition. Okuda's got a lot to prove. This

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Speaker 3: is a one year proven season for him. He's got

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Speaker 3: one year left on his deal. Things did not materialize

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Speaker 3: I don't think either one of these moves influences at

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Speaker 3: what the Falcons could do with that eighth overall pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because when you look at it, especially guys both

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Speaker 1: of the guys that we're talking about are one year deals.

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Speaker 1: Even Campbell who's one hundred and six maybe.

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Speaker 3: Working NFL Network after this year, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Talk about us. His voice could like yeah, oh can

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Speaker 1: make like water shake on the table basically coming from

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Speaker 1: a six ' nine franc No kidding. But so you

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Speaker 1: not thinking necessarily long term with that. I think maybe

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Speaker 1: it helps you up front, but then you look at it,

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Speaker 1: and I've been getting a lot of questions in the mailbag, Well,

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Speaker 1: so does like does the Jeff Okuda trade eliminate Christian

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so at all. I don't think

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Speaker 3: so at all because, again, especially if it's a Devin Witherspoon,

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Speaker 3: he's got the position flex And we're seeing this more

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Speaker 3: can play corner on the next. But you know they're

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Speaker 3: running game. Witherspoon can do all that, right, So if

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Speaker 3: you if you if Okuda does win the job, and

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Speaker 3: you've got AJ on the other side, guy like Witherspoon

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Speaker 3: some youth and a lot of range in that backfield, right,

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Speaker 3: and so that could be a possibility. And then if

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Speaker 3: it's not a corner, I mean, if it's Christian goan Zalds,

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Speaker 3: he's more of an outside corner. He's got size big,

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Speaker 3: He's got a little taller than AJ, but got kind

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Speaker 3: to me is a very very right spot. In fact,

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Speaker 3: but if a guy like that is there, that's you

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Speaker 3: see theself like, Okay, we have bodies, but we don't

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Speaker 3: have at either of those positions. Well. AJ Turell's a

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Speaker 3: can win. That's a game changer. Right. So now, corner

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Speaker 3: If you get a stud rook corner to go with

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Speaker 3: Don't worry about it because Aj is up next year.

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Speaker 3: Got a rookie on a five year deal. That's how

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Speaker 3: you That's how you have two study corners right there.

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Speaker 3: We're both young edge rusher. Same way, they need a

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Speaker 3: guy who can win off the edge. They have not

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Speaker 3: had that guy since Sean Abraham, So that's back when

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Speaker 3: I was covering them from the Falcons for the AJAC.

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Speaker 3: So I think those are the two spots depending who's availablehere.

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Speaker 3: The Falcons go in the draft. What, yeah, but I'll

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Speaker 3: save I'll save it, right, we save it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can't wait to get that one. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: stay tuned. So I was talking to Terry Fontaineau at

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Speaker 1: the league meetings and the question I asked was, do

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Speaker 1: you need to add more pass rushers? This is obviously

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Speaker 1: well before the Bud Dupree thing and everything, and what

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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't necessarily give me the exact volt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like what a shocking revelation, but he basically said, we

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Speaker 1: never want to feel desperate. And I think what you're

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Speaker 1: going going back to the Okuda move and the Dupre move,

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Speaker 1: is you feel like you don't feel desperate at number eight,

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Speaker 1: like if if, if the board falls to you and

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Speaker 1: you're not like we have to have a pass rusher

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Speaker 1: a corner or we're in huge trouble. I think that

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Speaker 3: Ryan Nielsen's coming over from the Saints. What were the

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Speaker 3: what the Saints have done, That's what the Falcons have done.

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Speaker 1: And Tyree Wilson has that about two sixty, Lugas van

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Speaker 1: Could we at least see him in three or four?

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's so intriguing because you don't know

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Speaker 3: And I think that's where the draft starts. Sorright the

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Speaker 3: I think someone's gonna come up. There's just too much

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Speaker 3: so there's Will Anderson from Alabama. He's he's got to

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Speaker 3: just really weird. And then at five, we've got uh, Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Seattle's real interesting. Now, like that's where someone like a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they have a reputation for a picking lower

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Speaker 3: Get right, Yeah, I mean the highest they've picked a

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Speaker 3: But it's it's real intriguing. I think they go d

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Speaker 1: We have got Troit Troy and you got Jalen Carter

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he seems like a perfect fit for

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Speaker 3: don't know if if they say we've got the type

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Speaker 3: I just don't know. There's just nobody like the Drake

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Speaker 3: So I think that's it's gonna be a very interesting

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Speaker 2: That's always such an intriguing part of it right.

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Speaker 3: Now, because guys don't move up and down draft boards.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, which, so let's say your Falcons GM right

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Speaker 2: Is your phone like on, like you checking ID all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why wouldn't they?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, I mean pick up more assets plus a guy.

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Speaker 3: You got the young man at a Clemson. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: On corner Joey Porter, Right, there's guys there like those.

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Speaker 3: There's there's three corners who are top fifteen talents. Right,

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Speaker 3: So if you're picking that eleven, no shame in that game,

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Speaker 3: no way, right, Luke van Esk he could be there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's all. No shame in that. Plus you pick up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if that's the scenario, if you can

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Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm just handing in the selection.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: But if you move down and you're.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not going to twenty.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, they're not. They're not going to not

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Speaker 2: That happened, and so, and my thought is, here's.

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Speaker 3: you say that draft class, which is pretty good, pretty good,

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Speaker 3: That's why I think they've been so strong in committing

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Speaker 3: clear cut, right, They've got a plan, they're not what

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Speaker 3: iffing right, So they're being clear cut. We're going with Desen.

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Speaker 3: But I think it also they're saying themselves that they've

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Speaker 3: probably got some type of assurances for Arthur blank that

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Speaker 3: they don't go deep in the playoffs this year or whatever.

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Speaker 3: They still have more time because if they felt that

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Speaker 3: they were on the green mile this year, I think

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Speaker 3: they were in a little more urgent trying to get

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Speaker 3: a veteran quarterback. Right, and so let's see if desimh

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Speaker 3: Ridder works, we're run first offense. We're not gonna ask

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Speaker 3: him to do too much while he develops. Right, we

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Speaker 3: still have a young nucleus of players around on the

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Speaker 3: algie years of Drake London's and Kyle Pitts. So if

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Speaker 3: it doesn't work, then next year we're all in. Right.

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Speaker 3: Next year we might be able to get Lamar. Next

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Speaker 3: year we might be able to get some of these

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Speaker 3: players who are coming up, you know, at the end

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Speaker 3: of their rookie contracts, or there might be some guys

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Speaker 3: in the draft who will use some capital that maybe

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Speaker 3: they accrue this year to move up and go get

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Speaker 3: a quarterback. So I think that's kind of the thinking

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Speaker 3: that quarterback is, we want him to develop. We saw

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Speaker 3: enough things Arthur won with Ryan Tannehill up in Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: so maybe they they figure we don't need that elite guy.

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Speaker 3: I would beg to differ because they didn't win a

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Speaker 3: super Bowl in Tennessee with Ryan Tannehill. You need that

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Speaker 3: elite guy to win a super Bowl. You're not beating

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes or Joey Burrow, you know, running the ball

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Speaker 3: thirty five times a game on the board.

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Speaker 1: I saw the Bengals live last year against the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, it's a It's a difficult thing to.

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Speaker 3: Handle a quarterback. Joe Burrow is a different dude now.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about explosive offense. We've been We've been

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Speaker 1: proceeding logically, Steve, because that's what we like to do here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, can we just throw a wild Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Man, there's b Jeon Robinson is I think the wild

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Speaker 1: card of this draft positional value whatever the heck, that

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Speaker 1: means says that running backs aren't worth top picks anymore,

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Speaker 1: right or whatever. But then you look at this guy

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Speaker 1: play and it kind of knocks you back. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe the he and Jalen Carter maybe the top players.

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Speaker 3: In the draft.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a football expert, but you look at b

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Speaker 1: Jeon Robinson. You look at the fact that the Falcons

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Speaker 1: have taken away the desperation aspect and they've got Algier

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Speaker 1: and they got CP but only for one more year.

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Speaker 1: Remember our logic of guys on one year deals don't

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Speaker 1: affect the draft, right, correct? So then you look at

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Speaker 1: it and you think, I mean, what what Arthur Smith

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Speaker 1: can do with a position and less sort of guy.

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Speaker 3: I love how you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: And it's just.

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Speaker 1: Rock draft to go, And I keep steering at the

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Speaker 1: name b Jeon Robinson's right there.

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Speaker 2: I think, what if.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't what if?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: And we were talking about earlier. The one thing that

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Speaker 3: would not shock me, yeah, is if b Jon Robinson's

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Speaker 3: the eighth overall pick, if they take him, it wouldn't

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Speaker 3: stun me whatsoever. Because he's a special talent. He can

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Speaker 3: run the rock, he can line up wide and catch

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Speaker 3: the rock. He's got all that versatility and he's just

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Speaker 3: one of those special players right when you look at

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Speaker 3: and he's got kind of that Adrian Peterson stuff to him,

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Speaker 3: except he can catch the ball.

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Speaker 1: So Adrian Peterson's stuff, but he can catch the ball.

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Speaker 1: That's the nicest compliment you could possibly Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Correct. I mean when Will Anderson said, yeah, when I

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Speaker 3: had to try to tackle that dude, that's that was

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Speaker 3: a different player. Yeah, okay, that's that's telling you how

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Speaker 3: good b Jon Robinson is. And in this game, with

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Speaker 3: the way they ran the ball, actually, with the way

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Speaker 3: they blocked and set things.

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Speaker 1: Up right, you just start playing with it in your

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Speaker 1: mind and you're like, okay, so then Ritter would have

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Speaker 1: I'll jeer for the heavy stuff. You have Robinson who

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Speaker 1: can as as many mistackles forced as anybody in college

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Speaker 1: football ever. And then you got pits maybe flowing out here.

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Speaker 1: You got John wu in line, you got Drake London

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Speaker 1: on the outside, quick guy, you.

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Speaker 3: X factor there.

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Speaker 2: You just stop that.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying. I'm just saying, now they better score

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Speaker 3: some points, but the defense is fortified. You know. But

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Speaker 3: you still say to yourself, if you get a study

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Speaker 3: edge rusher, you're gonna get eight nine years out of him.

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Speaker 3: You get a study running back, you're gonna get four

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Speaker 3: or five. It's the whole counter It's a whole Saquon

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Speaker 3: Barkley thing right now that you're going through, Like that

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Speaker 3: dude gets nicked, You're like, oh, you know, man, we

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Speaker 3: banked so much on that guy, Like the Giants it

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Speaker 3: with Saquon Barkley and he got injured and now they're

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Speaker 3: franchise tagging him.

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Speaker 2: But I'm telling you it's a fascinating discussion.

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Speaker 3: It would not it would not stun me at all

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Speaker 3: if that happened.

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Speaker 2: So we've taken the logical route.

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Speaker 1: Ye both in the trade down if you can get

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Speaker 1: it in the second class, or you stick at eight

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Speaker 1: and you go get a stud cornerback and ed rusher

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Speaker 1: our premium positions, right, And then we got this other

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Speaker 1: thing there though.

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Speaker 3: That's what and it should that conversation should not go away.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think that's what makes where the Falcons

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Speaker 1: are sitting. It's going to be such an interesting thing

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Speaker 1: to see how the board falls, to see who's available.

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Speaker 1: How many quarterbacks go up that top ten With the

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Speaker 1: Bears at nine, the NFC champs at ten of all

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Speaker 1: places that top ten drafts are always fascinating, but I

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Speaker 1: think this one, with the amount of different ways that

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Speaker 1: it can go, is going to be really interesting. And

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Speaker 1: the Falcons are sitting right there in the middle with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of fun options.

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Speaker 3: They took Bee Robinson. What that does to the picks

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Speaker 3: after them, Oh my god, because it's pushing somebody back.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: If you four quarterbacks and a running back in the

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Speaker 1: top eight, chaos andus.

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Speaker 3: That's where you see a team like the Chargers of

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Speaker 3: twenty one just jump right up like, Okay, we're coming

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Speaker 3: up to get some guys, so there'll be some movement.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I think is fascinating about what the

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Speaker 1: Falcons have done to this point.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of dig it, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: the way they fortified this defense. They still need another

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. There's there's still needs to fill through the draft.

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Speaker 1: If you look at last's draft class, Arthur and Terry

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Speaker 1: did pretty good job with that one, really good job, right,

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Speaker 1: so can they duplicate it?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Roster building freegency is fun and it's been a fun

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Speaker 1: couple months around here right in terms of new guys

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Speaker 1: coming in. But draft is your bedrock, right, so what

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Speaker 1: they do next, what they did last year, how they

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Speaker 1: build this roster, the young foundation, This draft is going

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Speaker 1: to be fun.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's that's that's how you sustain. And what

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Speaker 3: is Arthur Blank, the owner said, for the past two years,

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Speaker 3: we have to come up with a sustainable winning formally,

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Speaker 3: he does not want peaks and valleys. He wants to

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Speaker 3: go on the type of run he had when Matt

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Speaker 3: Ryan came in, back when Mike Smith was coaching, when

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Speaker 3: they were perennial playoff contenders, played in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: He wants to revisit that that era, so to speak,

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Speaker 3: one more time.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's possible assuming they keep taking advantage

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Speaker 1: of their opportunities and using their assets well.

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