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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. The hardest part was

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Speaker 1: having patience. You know, as a player, you get a hit,

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Speaker 2: Alex, this is one that I very much had circled

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Speaker 2: on the calendar. Derek Jeter, I mean the captain coming

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Speaker 2: in to talk to us. Who is Derek Jeter?

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Speaker 3: To you, well, he's a five time world champion. He

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Speaker 3: We played for almost fifteen years, about twenty feet away,

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Speaker 3: I believe there's a third time in over thirty years

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Speaker 3: I learned a lot listening to him, and I think

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Speaker 3: the listeners will really get a kick out of this.

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Speaker 2: One, all right, So I have to fully confess I

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Speaker 2: told you this before we'd sat down for this interview,

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Speaker 2: like I didn't totally know what to expect, because as

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Speaker 2: I think you know there was a rocky period in

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Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say, even though you

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Speaker 3: because what he showed the power of restriction, as I

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Speaker 2: The other thing that also occurred to me Alex as

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Speaker 3: We're so similar in some ways, in opposites in others,

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Speaker 2: Wait, so when did you guys first meet Heldria.

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Speaker 3: It was the Mark Lats Stadium, Michigan. Had come down

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Speaker 1: Derek Jeter, What am I doing these days? Outside of

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Speaker 1: You know, when you talk to athletes, a lot of

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Speaker 1: It was really a decision. It was a big decision.

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Speaker 1: It's coming out, It's coming, it's coming soon.

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Speaker 3: But by the way, Jason, just to bring you back

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Speaker 3: And there when it came down to, like your first

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Speaker 3: So take any names out of it, Derek, I don't

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Speaker 1: I'll and I'll give you a name. I remember in

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a Louis Soho story. So I had

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Speaker 3: I said, well, I got the forest, I got one out.

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Speaker 3: And I'm glad that he was such a leader for

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Speaker 1: when mister Steimer and had called and said that we

437
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 1: were signing Alex, he said, we're signing Alex as a

438
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: third basement, which I never thought would happen. I mean, why,

439
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 1: if you're him, why would you switch positions. I guess

440
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: he really wanted out of Texas, so he's willing to

441
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: play anywhere. But it was never a deal, no one ever,

442
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: and I give it to him. He never asked to

443
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: play shortstup, never brought it up. I never heard any

444
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: whispers about it because he had committed to play in

445
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: third base, and that's what I was told at the time.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. My side of that story is Tom Hicks,

447
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 3: who was the owner of Texas, was having some financial

448
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 3: situation where he needed to move some contracts around. And

449
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 3: I remember walking into his house on a Saturday morning

450
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 3: after the season, and I think the Wild Card was game.

451
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: We were watching Minnesota and his Oakland in his home

452
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: in Texas, in his home office, and he said, Alex,

453
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 3: I need to trade you. Can you give me three teams?

454
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 3: I said, okay, give me to a Monday. And I

455
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: called him back Monday and I said Red Sox, Angels,

456
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 3: and Mets. And I said the Mets was really interesting

457
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 3: because I grew up watching Magic versus Bird and the

458
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 3: first thing I would do in the morning is see

459
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 3: what Derek did in the old box score when we

460
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 3: had to read the papers. So I thought, me going

461
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 3: to New York would be great for baseball. I would

462
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 3: be with the Mets, he's with the Yankees. Were both shortstops.

463
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: We both like the Angels. We always have great weather,

464
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 3: great places to play. And then the Red Sox was like, okay,

465
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 3: that's a good rivalry too. I worked in the Red

466
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 3: Sox deal for two months. That deal literally at the

467
00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 3: one yard line, fell apart, and Cashman at MVP dinner said, hey,

468
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 3: if you're willing to move to third base, maybe we'll

469
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 3: make something happen. Well, I'm not a big drinker. I

470
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: was three focus in.

471
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 2: I'm not a big drinker. Now changed the record.

472
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 3: It's a little blurry. And then by my third cocktail,

473
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 3: go yeah, maybe I'll play third base, And two weeks

474
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: later it happened that quickly. So it just happened within

475
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 3: ten days.

476
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Speaker 2: I mean that the core of that group that got together, obviously,

477
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: you know some things happened in between. Then do you

478
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 2: want a world championship? When we come back, we discussed

479
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: Alex and Derrek's two thousand and nine World Championship, preparing

480
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: for life after baseball and lessons learned owning and running

481
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: the Miami Marlins and yes, one of the most talked

482
00:22:49,840 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: about relationships in baseball history. The core of that group

483
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: that got together, obviously you know some things happening in between.

484
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: Then do you win a world championship like it? And

485
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: after another little spell of not what does that championship do?

486
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: In your mind? You know nine it.

487
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: Is hard, man, I mean, winning is hard. It's difficult

488
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: to do. There's been plenty of years before two thousand

489
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: and nine, we thought we were going to win a

490
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: World Series. We thought we had a team that was

491
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: going to win, no doubt me can go to two

492
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: thousand and four, we had three zero lead against Boston.

493
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: We thought we're gonna win a World Series. So it

494
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: is hard to do. I never took it for granted.

495
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: I know Alex didn't because he hadn't won it before then.

496
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: But it's a lot of work.

497
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: Man.

498
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: It really is a lot of work. So I don't

499
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: want to say you exhale. You can exhale for a minute,

500
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: but then you have to get ready for the next year.

501
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: But every team is different, you know. With the group

502
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine, with some new players, he

503
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: had CC with AJ we had texts, but some of

504
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: the guys that were there before we had been through

505
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: some losing seasons. So man, it was a good feeling.

506
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: I'd tell you For me, Jason, I remember giving Derek

507
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: a big hug at Yankee Stadium, but it was so

508
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: much relief. I certainly excelled because I had played fifteen

509
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: years and ultimately I mean, I would have been absolutely

510
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: heartbroken to move position, to come here for the greater

511
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 3: good of the team and to come up short. Remember

512
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: I grew up watching Dan Marino and Charles Barkley, two

513
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: of my favorites, right, and it breaks my heart to

514
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 3: this day. They say they yeah, but and it was

515
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 3: just complete validation and I was just so thankful to

516
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: God to put this thing to come true, you know,

517
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: as a great baseball fan. It was the greatest threw

518
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: of my baseball career by far. And I would move

519
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: to third base one hundred out of one hundred times

520
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: to be part of the Yankees championship run that year.

521
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: One thing, you know that Alice was talking about switching

522
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: positions and finally winning a championship. We didn't the guys

523
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: that were there before. I say we There was a

524
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: few of us that were there before. We also didn't

525
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: want at the end of our career say, oh, well,

526
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: we were lucky. We won four on that lucky but

527
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: we won four out of five our first five years

528
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: in the big leagues and that we couldn't win again,

529
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: you know. So it's the thing in New York is

530
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: it's a constant reminder every single day that you have

531
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: not won, you know what I mean, It's like, you

532
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: gotta win this year.

533
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: You got to what.

534
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: They don't care what you've done in the past, which

535
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: is a great the reason why I think a lot

536
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: of people can't play in New York. You can't deal

537
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: with the expectation level. So we were constantly reminded from

538
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: two thousand up into two thousand and nine. So you

539
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: get tired of hearing the fact that you haven't won

540
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: in nine years. You need to win again. And I

541
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: think you know, New York is a hot spot. You

542
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: talk about the business part of it, New York is

543
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: a hot spot. So when you win, I'm sorry, it

544
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: elevates everyone at that point, you know, because I've always

545
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: said playing Yankee stadiums like performing on a Broadway play.

546
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: You feel like it's the top ticket in town. You know,

547
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: you feel like the lights are brighter. Everyone comes out,

548
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: every celebrity, you know, every entertainer is there to watch

549
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: the Yankees play. And the reason they show up is

550
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: because you win.

551
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: One thing I've always marveled at, Derek. I've gone through

552
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: so much in my life through therapy and all that

553
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: kind of stuff to really it was I'm forty eight,

554
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: and I was around forty five where I look back

555
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: at Derek's Korean and I said, holy, I really got

556
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: an opportunity. I never thought we would ever get close again,

557
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: because we've had, you know, you know, our setbacks, partly

558
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: because of my shortcomings. But I said, I really have

559
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: an opportunity to appreciate what an incredible career you had

560
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: and to be in the greatest city, the biggest market

561
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 3: in the world, but yet be a little bit unknown

562
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: of what's going on off the field. And I remember

563
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: how much I failed and tripped, and the more I tried,

564
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: it was like quick sand, the deeper I will get

565
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: myself into it, And was say, Alex you he would

566
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: say two things to me. All you gotta do is

567
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: make contact, dr dance so damn strong, and stop striving out.

568
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: And then he would say to me, you don't have

569
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: to tell them anything. And when he told me that,

570
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: it makes sense. How the hell did you do that

571
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: and do it so well?

572
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: Well?

573
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: I always wanted to have a separation with what I

574
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: did publicly, my job, my career, and my private life.

575
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: I truly believe once you let the toothpaste out of

576
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: the tube, you cannot put it back in. Once you

577
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: give people a little taste of what you're doing in

578
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: your private life, they want more. They want more, they

579
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: want more, and they feel as though you owe it

580
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: to them. Now I understand it. I was just never

581
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: comfortable sharing my private life, you know. I always wanted

582
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: to keep it to myself because my job came first.

583
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: That was I wanted no distractions. And I also understood,

584
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: you know, when you're playing profession sports, I knew I

585
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: did not need the media to do my job. Eventually,

586
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: they're going to need me at some point, right, So

587
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: if I went out and performed on the field, I

588
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about what anyone said because when

589
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't opening the door to my private life. So

590
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: only thing you could talk about or confirm was what

591
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: I did on the field. And I just had an

592
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: understanding of that from a young age. I don't know,

593
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone told me it. I just knew

594
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: that I would try to do whatever I could in

595
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: my mind to limit distractions. I would address something once

596
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: that's it, I wouldn't talk about it again. The more

597
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: you talk about it, the more the story continues on.

598
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: You know, people would ask us about our stud I

599
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: would address it one time, don't ask.

600
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: Me again, and I would talk about it every week

601
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: and he's like, dude, you're killing me, Like you don't

602
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: have to answer. He was great again. I mean, by

603
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: the way, stuff I would never talk about publicly to anyone.

604
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: But there was some real stuff that I was going

605
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: through my life that he gave me the greatest advice

606
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: and I didn't listen and it hurt me tremendously. So

607
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: my point is, over the years, I get to understand

608
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: Derek Jeter's greatness as a human being so much more

609
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: than when I played, because I was just too close

610
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: to it, and quite honest, I didn't have the tools.

611
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: And that's not an excuse. I really tried. I just

612
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: didn't know what the hell I was doing. I was

613
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: pretty good on the field though, that's where I shined.

614
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: You know, were you frustrated with him when he didn't

615
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: listen to you?

616
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: Well, I would only say frustrated if it became a

617
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: big story. Yeah, Well if we're talking about things that

618
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: didn't matter on the field, not just with him. I

619
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: mean it could be anyone. You know. That was frustrating

620
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: because I wanted when I got to the park to

621
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: the stadium. I wanted the conversation to be about the game,

622
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: and that's it.

623
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

624
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: And so in your business life, one of the really

625
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: interesting decisions you make, and I feel like this is

626
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: actually of a piece, is to go with Jordan Brand.

627
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big decision on your part. We're

628
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: sort of early in the game. I think it's fair

629
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: to say tell us about that decision, because that's seminal

630
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: not just for you, but it's candidly seminal for that

631
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: brand too.

632
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I first met Michael in nineteen ninety

633
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: four while he's playing baseball in Arizona Fall League.

634
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

635
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: And I'll pointed out he was not as bad as

636
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: everyone rights him out to be. I mean, you take

637
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: off what since little league, and then you're playing baseball

638
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: at thirty years old in Double A you hit two hundred.

639
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: That's that's not.

640
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: A contract today. That's pretty damn Yeah. It's not easy

641
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: to do. So it was not as bad as everyone says.

642
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: So I first met him in Arizona and we just

643
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: developed a relationship from there. He's like a big brother

644
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: than me, you know, like magic is to you. I know,

645
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: you speak highly about magic all the time. He's one

646
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: of the first athletes alongside Magic that really took their

647
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: abilities on the court and it translated into business. They

648
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: had the business mindset because you know, up until that point,

649
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything about previous athletes, but it was

650
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: all you just perform on the court. You perform on

651
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: the field. When your career is over, that's it. Go

652
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: get them figure something else out. I think those two

653
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: were business savvy and they thought about post professional athletic career.

654
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: And you know, Michael's been as successful as anyone, and

655
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: he's been a mentor to me since, like a big brother,

656
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: like I said, and just thankful. He asked me to

657
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: be a part of the Jordan brand, and you know

658
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: when it first started, like, what do you mean part

659
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: of the jitsu basketball brand? What is a baseball player

660
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: going to do?

661
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: Right?

662
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: But he wanted me to be the baseball player and

663
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: help him build the business.

664
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Speaker 2: So did it feel risky to do that, to be

665
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: like the first baseball player to.

666
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Do that, Well, I think risky. I mean, if you're

667
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: going to take a risk, I think you take it

668
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: with someone like Michael, you know, So I don't necessarily

669
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: think it was risky on my part, you know. Plus

670
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: it was the cool factor, you know, I mean everyone

671
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: wanted to be associated with Michael back then and now

672
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: yeah now too. Yeah, you're right at the point, same thing.

673
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: So I didn't look at it as being risky.

674
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

675
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: So let's shift to sort of post baseball, and you know,

676
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: we talk about about this a lot, and Alex has

677
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: shared some of this before. But that moment when you

678
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: decide to retire, I mean, there's the decision, and then

679
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: there's the execution and the moment when you are no

680
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 2: longer a professional athlete, You're no longer a New York

681
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: Yank at least as your job. You'll always be New

682
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: York Yank here, et cetera. But what is that moment,

683
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: Like when you wake up that morning you're like, huh, okay,

684
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: the decision or afterwards tell us about the decision and

685
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: then and then.

686
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: Well, the decision was not a difficult. They would have

687
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: got rid of me anyway. They're trying to run me,

688
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: run me out, So I don't think the decision.

689
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: Was joined the club. Yeah, the decision, Yeah.

690
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: The decision wasn't a difficult decision. You know, it's I'd

691
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: broken my ankle twice. I've basically missed the previous year,

692
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: and I wanted to have one more. I want to

693
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: play a season healthy. So I called hal Steinberner and

694
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: told him, and he said, look, you know you deserve

695
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: to announce it any way you want to announce it.

696
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: I announced it before the season started because I knew

697
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: if I did not that I'd be asked about it

698
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: all the time, you know, every single day my teammates

699
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: would be asked about it. So I announced it before

700
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: the season, and then when the season was over with man,

701
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I was tired. You know, I really was tired. It's

702
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: twenty years in New York. I've jokingly says, like dog here,

703
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and forty years playing in New York.

704
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: I got everything I could get out of my career,

705
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: and physically I was, you know.

706
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 3: I was.

707
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: I was done.

708
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: What's your business mindset at that point, because obviously you've

709
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: been thinking about it for a time. Your partnered with

710
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: with Jordan Brandon, those sorts of things, and we've talked

711
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: about this. You're in New York, so I mean you

712
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: have access and you know, beyond name recognition, you have

713
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: sort of access to a lot of corporate minds, investment minds,

714
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: et cetera. What are the first few things that you

715
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: think about doing well?

716
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: First?

717
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: I didn't start preparing for post playing career the day

718
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: I woke up the next day. Right afterwards, I started

719
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: preparing for post career years in advance. My biggest fears

720
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: in life is being unprepared in anything. You know, a

721
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: lot of times you hear athletes say game slows down

722
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: or it speeds up. I think it speeds up when

723
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: you're unprepared. So I didn't want to wake up and say,

724
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: what am I going to do next? I started talking

725
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: about team ownership maybe ten years left in my career.

726
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: During my career, I made every decision when it came

727
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: to contract negotiations, marketing, philanthropy, atum on foundation. These are

728
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: all pillars of an organization. I lived in Tampa. I

729
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: learned about player development and scouting and analytics, so I

730
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: wanted to be as prepared as I could. I started

731
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: a company called The Player's Tribune. We actually launched right

732
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: after my career. But I didn't just wake up and

733
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: say let's start a company today. You know, you start

734
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: thinking about these things, and that's why I think that

735
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: it made my transition into the business world speak a

736
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: lot easier because I started preparing and I started learning

737
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: for it.

738
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: And Derek, when you talk about the Marlins, THEO, that

739
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: team that went to the playoffs this year for the

740
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: Marlins with very very limited resources, has your handprints all

741
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: over it. The pitching, the development, the people you hired.

742
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: And I was in the community and I just heard

743
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: all the great things you were doing in that community.

744
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: What would you say was the hardest part and the

745
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: best part of being CEO and owner of the Marlins.

746
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: The hardest part was having patience because you want things.

747
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: You know as a player, you get a hit, you

748
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: don't get a hit, you win a game, you lose

749
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: a game. It's instant gratification or failure. When you're building

750
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: something like especially in an organization, a sports organization, where

751
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: basically you're turning something around, you're going in another direction,

752
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: it takes time. That can be very very draining mentally

753
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: because you want it to happen right away. And that

754
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: was probably the heart this part is trying to have

755
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: some patience.

756
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of any more time with

757
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: limited resources. Yeah, and not against your partners, but that

758
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: market it could be very, very challenging. Yeah, if you

759
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: were in New York or Boston or the resources are

760
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: just tremendous and you can actually expedite it a little bit.

761
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: But here you had to be very clever, ready had

762
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: to roll up or sleeves.

763
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: I figured, you know, we played in New York. You

764
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: show up at Yankee Stadium. There's fifty thousand people there.

765
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: That's just how it works.

766
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: You know.

767
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: One of the first things I did when I was

768
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: CEO in Miami was I brought every single member of

769
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: the front office by department into the clubhouse and I

770
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: introduced them to the players because I wanted the players

771
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: to see how many people were working behind the scenes

772
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: to make their jobs easier. Everyone said, you know, how

773
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: long they've been with the organization, what exactly it is

774
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: that they do. There were employees that had been there

775
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: twenty plus years and never stepped foot in the major

776
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: league clubhouse.

777
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 3: Now.

778
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: The employees thanked me, but the players also thank me because,

779
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: like I said, you don't understand that part of it.

780
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: So building an organization and taking the time and spending

781
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: the time I expected that. You know, when you care

782
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: about something, you put in the work. It took a

783
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: long time to try to develop trust. You know, I

784
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: can't walk in the room and say trust me. You

785
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: don't know me, right, So you got to get to

786
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: know a lot of people. Spend a lot of time

787
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: in the Miami community getting to know a lot of people.

788
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm in Miami.

789
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm not moving now, I'm there, So I'm happy that

790
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: I had a chance to do that. But that's a

791
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: part of building an organization that people don't see the

792
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: stuff that goes on behind the scenes.

793
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: And so you exit that situation. How do you look

794
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: back on it and how does it influence what you

795
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: do next?

796
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, how do I look back on it? I

797
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: take the good with the bad. I think you learn

798
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: a lot of lessons. I'm happy with some of the

799
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: hires that I had. You know, I wanted to have

800
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: a diverse front office. I was able to accomplish that.

801
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: I didn't do it because I wanted to focus on it.

802
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: I did because it was the right thing. You hire

803
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: the right people. You give people opportunities. I was given

804
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: opportunities throughout my life. You want to return that. So

805
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: I look back with you know, I try to focus

806
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: on the positive. I'm positive by nature, you know, so

807
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that we accomplish that I'm

808
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: happy with. And those are some lessons that I've learned.

809
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: There's mistakes that have been made. I won't make those

810
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: mistakes again.

811
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: If there's ever another opportunity with what you learned, and

812
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 3: I'm sure, I mean, there's nothing you can do because

813
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: the reputation you've built and your track record speaks for itself.

814
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 3: If an opportunity came calling, and let's just say it's

815
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: not a smaller market, let's just say as a mid

816
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: market or even a large market, and they wanted you

817
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: to be the owner and operate, again, I.

818
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: Don't have enough money.

819
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: My question, and to be honest, would you want another

820
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: crack at it? Would you be open to it? Ah?

821
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: Man, you know that's a tough, tough question. You never

822
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: say never, but you have to be there, you have

823
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: to be present. And I have four young kids now, man,

824
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: and I understand how difficult it is. And you know,

825
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: you want to get into a situation where you can

826
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: make decisions, make all decisions, and unless you have a

827
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: controlling owner ownership stake, you can't make those decisions. So

828
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: that's a tough one to answer. But you ask me now, now.

829
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: And Derek, how do you think about investing? Does investing

830
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: excite you? Are you someone that picks up the phone

831
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: and calls a Michael or calls Pasada or one of

832
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: your friends? Do you share ideas? How do you think

833
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: about investing when opportunities coming away? Because there's going to

834
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 3: be viewers that are going to say, I would love

835
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: to have my hero Derek Jeter invest in my company.

836
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: I'm a young founder. How do you think about that?

837
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: How do people approach you? How do they find you? Yeah?

838
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: I think one of the benefits and perks of playing

839
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: in New York is you get a chance to meet

840
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I've met a lot of people

841
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: throughout my careers. I still get a chance to meet

842
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people. The way I look at it,

843
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: Alex is I invest in people. You know, you run

844
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: into people all the time. They have great ideas. Everyone

845
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: has a great idea. Everyone has a business is going

846
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: to be a billion dollar business. But you have to

847
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: invest in people, and you have to get to know them,

848
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: and you have to know if they're passionate about what

849
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: they're doing. Some people have businesses where they're in it

850
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: to make money. Look we all want to make money,

851
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: but if that's your number one priority, if you're not

852
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: passionate about it, then I think that's a red flag.

853
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: So I always like to invest in people. I think

854
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: that works for you know, works in clubhouses, and it

855
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: works in businesses, it works in investments. So I tend

856
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: to just lean towards the you know, the character and

857
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: the passion of the people.

858
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: So one of the more recent decisions that you've made

859
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: is to join the commentating world, which I believe you

860
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: had initially said no interest there. Now part of it

861
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: was you were an owner and CEO of a team.

862
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: What drew you to the commentating booth.

863
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: I'd been asked that question before and I was absolutely

864
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: not I'm not doing this. I went to World Series

865
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: last year and I was just on the set with

866
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: these guys Philly, Yeah, for a few minutes, you know,

867
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: and just saw how much fun they were having, you know.

868
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: And one thing that I never wanted to do was

869
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: to get into a situation where I had to be

870
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: overly critical of players because I know how hard it

871
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: is to play the game, and I saw how much

872
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: fun they were having, and I was asked to be

873
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: a part of it. And I said, hey, you know,

874
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: as long as we can have fun with it, I

875
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: don't want to be overly analytical, which I know he

876
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: agrees with, and just really get a chance to shine

877
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: a light on the sport.

878
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: I love baseball.

879
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really do love baseball. I think it's the

880
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: greatest game in the world, and if we have a

881
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: chance to shine a light on it, then I'm all

882
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: for it.

883
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: And Alex, you and I have talked about this. I mean,

884
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: it does feel like this has been we may look

885
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: back on this as a really critical year in the

886
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: history of baseball rule changes. I think the storylines that

887
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: have been really good. Do you agree with that? I mean,

888
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: is there something that has happened and what is it

889
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: that is sort of causing a little bit of a

890
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: Dare I say rebound for baseball?

891
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Baseball's lag behind other sports. You know, you go

892
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: through the history of other sports, NFL, NBA, There's always

893
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: rule changes. There's always is a three point shot, there's all.

894
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: You know. You change the rules for the betterment of

895
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: the game. And no matter no matter how you look

896
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: at it, it's entertainment. You get the fans watching. You

897
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: have to listen to the fans, and I think the

898
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: fans in baseball were saying, look, one, the game's too long.

899
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: You got to find a way to speed it up.

900
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Speaker 1: So I think Baseball deserves credit for making some rule

901
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: changes and I'm sure there'll probably be more adjustments along

902
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: the way.

903
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: Well, and kind of stitching that back to something you

904
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: were talking about a minute ago, Derek, is you know

905
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: you show up on set last year, you see these guys.

906
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: What's it been like sort of working with with the crew.

907
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm new man, I mean, this is this is I'm new.

908
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, the first game we're in London, they

909
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: threw me on at the desk like five minutes before.

910
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: I can't even figure out to get my ear piece

911
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: in it. I have no idea. They're talking in my

912
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: ear and I'm trying to answer them, and I'm like,

913
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to be answering them, you know. So

914
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a learning experience. I think you get more

915
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: and more comfortable as you go through it. Alex is

916
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: a pro. He's been doing it for a long time.

917
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: He enjoys it. I remember when we were playing I

918
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: used to tell them, you know you're gonna get into

919
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: you know TVs, Oh no, for never. On every channel

920
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: you turn, he's here, he's doing a game there, So

921
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's doing everything.

922
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: You can't shut me up. That's never changed.

923
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's you learn, you know, you know,

924
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: you hope to get better. I know I've made mistakes,

925
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: but ultimately you just want to have fun. You want

926
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: the viewers watching to have fun.

927
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 3: I've been asked about a lot of players, obviously none

928
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 3: none as big as Derek. So when they approached me about, hey,

929
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: what do you think about Derek? Would you be okay

930
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: with it? I'm like, of course I'll be okay with it.

931
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: You know, that's something that he has to figure out

932
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: if he wants to do. And they were asking me basically,

933
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: what's the scout report, you know, pitching. We say, hey,

934
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: we're facing Jason's like, what does he got right? And

935
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: I said, look, you're never going to find someone that

936
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: is more prepared. You're never going to find He'll never

937
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: be unprepared. So he's gonna come ready to play every day.

938
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Speaker 3: He understands entertainment, he understands being part of a team.

939
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: He has a really good relationship with Big Poppy, my

940
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: relationship is solid, and he's gonna love Kevin Burkhart, so

941
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: I think he'll fit great. And you know, obviously they

942
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: got to talking, and so far he's off to an

943
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: amazing start. I'm actually in awe of how quickly he's adjusted,

944
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: because it took me a while to get going. I mean,

945
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: he's probably at the two week mark where it was

946
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: at the two year mark. So I'm excited. We're going

947
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: to have a great run. And by the way you

948
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: said it best, we're talking and highlighting the greatest baseball

949
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: players in the world. We've had a phenomenal year and

950
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: our job is to be an extension of Rob Manford

951
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: and Tony Clark and all the great things they're doing,

952
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: and we get to do it in a national stage

953
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: when everybody pays attention.

954
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: And you know, the other thing, when you're talking baseball,

955
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: this is this is what the way I try to

956
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: look at it is. Whatever we say is not wrong.

957
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: It may not sound right, it may not come out right,

958
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: you may not articulate it well, but it's not wrong.

959
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: It's your opinion. Yeah, And we played the game for

960
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: a long time and people don't have to necessarily agree

961
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: with our opinions, but it's not wrong.

962
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the lessons I learned, and again Derek

963
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 3: and our opposites, like I've made every mistake in the book.

964
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: He doesn't make it. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

965
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: But when we're out there, to Derek's point talking about players, managers,

966
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: front offices, the lesson I learned is you can be

967
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: critical as long as you're not personal right, and you

968
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: can say something like, look, I think Jason's one of

969
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: my favorite players, but he's had a rough week, and

970
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 3: if you ask him, he'll be the first one to

971
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: admit that. But here's what I think Jason's going to do.

972
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna do X y Z right versus

973
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: taking a personal shot. And I think that's a that's

974
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: a really fine line. You want to stay in the

975
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: other in the right side of that, all right.

976
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: So I got to say, you don't have to say,

977
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: but I'm going to say. So when I saw that

978
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: you were coming over and you guys were going to

979
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: work together, even you know, when I came in here today, like,

980
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: how's this going to go between these two? Because there

981
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: is history there. You guys seem good.

982
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: Why don't people need to put it to bed. I

983
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: think at some point, Jesus, this was one something you

984
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: have known him for thirty years, you know what I mean.

985
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: And I get asked more about our relationship than I

986
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: do my wife.

987
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: That's scary.

988
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just put it to bed. I mean,

989
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: we said we're fine working together again. You know, you

990
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: can't change history. History happened, right, It's over and done with.

991
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: You move on. What's funny our partners and Hannah and Jack,

992
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: I think they're happy that we're in this place. I've

993
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: had so many New York Yankee fans come up and say,

994
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you guys. I don't care if

995
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: you're best friends. I'm just glad that you guys are

996
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 3: working together.

997
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

998
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: And when they have their hero and someone that they

999
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: admire together, that one together. I think it's warming to

1000
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: their heart to know that we are getting along. Yeah,

1001
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: that's my thought.

1002
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: And so when you think about I mean, and this

1003
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: is a question for Derek, and I don't know if

1004
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: you and I have ever really talked about it. Alex,

1005
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: you know this idea of playing for the Yankees, I mean,

1006
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: it does it hits different? And so what do you

1007
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: think about as your life, see especially as a Yankee

1008
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: as you look back twenty year career there, like what

1009
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: jumps to your mind? What do you think is the

1010
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: most important thing. What's the thing that you want to

1011
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: be most remembered for as a Yankee?

1012
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean you want to be remembered as being

1013
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: a good teammate, you know, you want to be remembered

1014
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: as winning obviously who you are on the field, I

1015
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: think off the field. But for me, I've always said

1016
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: the only thing I care about is being remembered as

1017
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: a Yankee because it's the only thing I wanted, the

1018
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: only team I wanted to play for, only thing I

1019
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: wanted to be remembered for. So I'm fine with that,

1020
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, I'm fine with that. That's that's if my

1021
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: legacy is just being a member of the Yankees.

1022
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm fine. Yeah, And I probably share this with so

1023
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: many Yankee fans around the world. Like, just playing twenty

1024
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: five feet from Derek, regardless of what's happening, with the

1025
00:47:54,320 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 3: noise that I created, it was such an incredible feeling. Again,

1026
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: with time and perspective, it makes you appreciate it even

1027
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: more that the guy that was playing next to me

1028
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 3: was always going to be prepared and ready to play,

1029
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: and that meant so much to me. And I think

1030
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: no matter what the relationship has happened, like that mutual

1031
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: respect on the field has always been I think one

1032
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: hundred one hundred. We had that commonality about we both

1033
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: want to win at the highest level. Like I never

1034
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: had to worry about Derek playing hard or running hard

1035
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: or did he watch film? Never And that's something that

1036
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 3: to me, I always underscore.

1037
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: One of the most fascinating things about athletes at this

1038
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: point in their career as former athletes, and Alex and

1039
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: I talk about this all the time, is you've got

1040
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: all this time when you leave the game ahead of you.

1041
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: I say this because we're roughly the same age. You're

1042
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: a young man. What's your legacy for this part of

1043
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: your career and your life?

1044
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 3: Hmm.

1045
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: That's a good question, because you say, you know, when

1046
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: you're an athlete, you turn thirty, everyone starts telling you old. Right,

1047
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: you retire or retired at forty, and then you're young again,

1048
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: right man. Now, the only thing that matters to me

1049
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: the most is being a good parent.

1050
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: That's it.

1051
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm biased my parents. The best thing I can say

1052
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: about my parents, is they were present. You know, I

1053
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: want to be there for my kids. That's the number

1054
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: one priority for me. It really is. I'm not just

1055
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: saying it. It is the number one priority for me

1056
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: is to be there with my family, with my kids,

1057
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: help them find the thing that they're passionate about. I

1058
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: don't care what it is. I just want them to

1059
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: find something that they're passionate about. I want them to

1060
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: work extremely hard at it, and I want to be

1061
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: there to support them. So I think that is number

1062
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: one for me.

1063
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: This has been amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you both.

1064
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we're doing this together, but I feel like

1065
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: I learned a ton about the Yankees that both of

1066
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: your business ambitions, and really appreciate you being as candid

1067
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: and thoughtful as you as for having me.

1068
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

1069
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.

1070
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1071
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Speaker 4: Captain The Deals of production from Bloomberg Podcasts and Bloomberg Originals.

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Speaker 4: The Deals hosted by Alex Rodriguez and Jason Kelly. Our

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Speaker 4: is our director of photography. Our camera operators are Danny

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Speaker 4: Celia and Jordan Keslo. Katia Vanoy is our video editor.

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Speaker 4: Our assistant camera is Stephen Neil and Eric Sanchez is

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Speaker 4: our gaffer. You can also watch The Deal on Bloomberger Originals,

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Speaker 4: YouTube and Bloomberg Television. Subscribe to the Deal wherever you

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Speaker 4: get your podcasts. Thanks for listening.