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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff Three and Out

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Speaker 1: Podcast back at it again. I the numbers were good

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Speaker 1: on the Little Emergency podcast over the weekend. Thanks everyone

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Speaker 1: helps us sell the podcast. And a lot going on,

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Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts, some more thoughts on the trade

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Speaker 1: pro days something just with rookie quarterbacks. Uh, Monday Night

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Speaker 1: Football is now flexible. Of course. The Middlecoff Mailbag at

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Speaker 1: s and we will answer your question here on the podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the NFC West And a wise man

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Speaker 1: once said, you are the company you keep and the

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Speaker 1: older you get. I think it's fair to say we

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Speaker 1: all would agree it's very true. I follow like some

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Speaker 1: business accounts on Instagram, just like business slash motivation or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and they just have, you know, interesting nuggets. I read

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Speaker 1: one within the last week that if you show me

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Speaker 1: a person's three or four closest friends and tell me

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Speaker 1: what they do and how much they make. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you what that person makes because typically you surround

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Speaker 1: yourself with people who are on your level. Right, If

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Speaker 1: you're probably not hanging out with Jeff Bezos. There are

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Speaker 1: probably some flaws. We could nitpick this little post that

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Speaker 1: I saw, But the more I thought about it, the

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Speaker 1: more I think it's probably pretty true. And I started thinking, God,

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Speaker 1: I need to get some at your friends. Maybe I've

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Speaker 1: become maybe I can, you know, uh, draft off them.

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Speaker 1: But you are motivated by the people around you, right.

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Speaker 1: If you have a very close knit family and your

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Speaker 1: inspire you to do big things. Same with your close

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Speaker 1: friends group. If they're aggressive people, if whatever they do

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Speaker 1: life if you It's why I try to surround myself

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Speaker 1: It's just like it feels like misery and there's just

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Speaker 1: by whoever you're competing against in whatever industry you're in,

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Speaker 1: but definitely whoever you're surrounded by. In the NFC West.

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Speaker 1: The forty Niners who just made this historic trade right

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Speaker 1: It's difficult. But the one thing they've consistently hung their

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Speaker 1: didn't have enough enough offensive weapons. They did, but because

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Speaker 1: the quarterback missed ten games and thought, listen, when Jimmy

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Speaker 1: number two player in the draft, like he should be

428
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Speaker 1: able to do that. I think we overvalue just how

429
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: cool it looks with quarterbacks at pro days. Like if

430
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Speaker 1: you have big time physical skills Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson

431
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: and Justin fields At, Trey Lance, Justin Herbert, whoever, You're

432
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Speaker 1: gonna dominate the Pro day. I mean, absolutely dominate the

433
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Speaker 1: Pro Day. It's like, if you're an extroverted person I've

434
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: been interviewing, is a lot easier than it is for

435
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: an introverted person. A Pro day is there for a

436
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: guy with physical skills to dominate. But as I once

437
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: read in a book, it was something about the Patriots.

438
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: Remember Lewis showed it to me, Lewis Riddick. It was

439
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: like Belichick had this famous quote like we don't pay

440
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: guys millions of dollars to run the forty or bench press.

441
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 1: We pay them to play football. It's the one sport.

442
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: Like if I'm drafting a center fielder like Kyler Murray

443
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: coming out and I want to put him through a workout,

444
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: I can have a picture throw him basically alive, you know,

445
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: at bat a simulate a dude throwing nine and who

446
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: has a good curveball, Like I can kind of get

447
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: a gauge, like what is what is swing? Looks like

448
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: how he handles off speed stuff? In basketball, I can

449
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: play five on five games. I can play one on

450
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: one games in football, unless without pads, it's a completely

451
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: different sport. But physical freaks dominate drills because they stand out,

452
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: they have good testing numbers, they're explosive. If they have

453
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Speaker 1: good arms, the ball flies far. It is set up

454
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Speaker 1: for them to succeed. The smartest guy in your building

455
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Speaker 1: might be an introvert that doesn't do well talking to people. Right,

456
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Speaker 1: You would never ask that guy to go close a

457
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: sales meeting, right, that's not his cup of tea, go

458
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: to a social setting. But if your product was some

459
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: technology based whatever and he was your coder, your company

460
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: can't operate with that fucking guy, right, Just like in

461
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: your defense, you have a three pound nose tackle who

462
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: everything kind of revolves around. Right, Danny Shelton type might

463
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: not look I'm not saying Danny Shelton is that great.

464
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Speaker 1: Vita vea might not look that probably better example better

465
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Speaker 1: you know it's not gonna leot that great in a

466
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Speaker 1: pro Day setting, and he's kind of lumpy. He's not

467
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Speaker 1: that fast. Put some pads on him, try to move them.

468
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Speaker 1: Bet you can't, Bet you won't. Everyone has a role,

469
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Speaker 1: and I think sometimes that Pro Day things get overvalued.

470
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: I would imagine this year too, because teams didn't play

471
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Speaker 1: a full schedule. The Like I talked about the quarterbacks

472
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Speaker 1: a little earlier, the three or four top guys, Zack

473
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: Wilson and Trey Lance and Justin Fields have elite physical characteristics.

474
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: They're fast, even it turns out Zack Wilson's well put together.

475
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: They have big arms. They're gonna crush the Pro Day setting.

476
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Speaker 1: The thing you got to find out at the Pro Day,

477
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: especially this year, because the NFL scouting community was not

478
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Speaker 1: allowed into NFL facilities in the fall. They had a

479
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: universal rule no one was allowed to go to school calls.

480
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Speaker 1: So right now, this Pro Day circuit is about accumulating information.

481
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Speaker 1: Like I said, how does he treat people? What do

482
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Speaker 1: his teammates think? How do the coaches like him? The

483
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: problem I have and I would struggle with as a scout.

484
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: And hopefully you did as much work possible during the fall,

485
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: but it was hard to get ahold of guys because

486
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: they were working on their season right, phone calls, text messages.

487
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: It's all gonna be based on previous relationships. And I

488
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Speaker 1: noticed this, and any good scout will tell you this.

489
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Speaker 1: Sometimes your best information comes at the heat of the

490
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Speaker 1: season because everything's all the emotions are real, right. A

491
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Speaker 1: coach might tell you on a Tuesday after a game,

492
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Speaker 1: you know, I thought the guy kind of tapped out,

493
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: or you know, I thought the guy he had a

494
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: bad injury and he played through it. His toughness was elite.

495
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: You're just getting emotion that's like real, that just happened.

496
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: Think about the way our memories work. If something happened yesterday,

497
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: I can talk about it pretty well today, But if

498
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: something happened six months ago, my view of that thing

499
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: may get a little jaded, may just change over time

500
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Speaker 1: from what reality actually was. So the information. If you're

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Speaker 1: meeting a coordinator a position coach in the middle of

502
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 1: March and asking about something that happened in September or October,

503
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: you're just probably gonna get a story that wouldn't be

504
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Speaker 1: consistent with the same story he might have told you

505
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: on October one, two thousand twenty. That's what I make this.

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Speaker 1: These pro day circuits are all about gathering the medical information.

507
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: And I think I read in Albert Brewer MMQB today

508
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: that the NFL is gonna do like a hundred two

509
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: hundred people like a medical check up in early April.

510
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: You know, the Jalen Waddles, guys that have been injured

511
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: are gonna go there just to have get medical checks.

512
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: That haven't they haven't been able to do that because

513
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: the combine didn't exist, which helps. But the character stuff

514
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: and the competitive character stuff and the football character stuff,

515
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: I just wonder if it's gonna be hit or miss.

516
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Speaker 1: In my first year on the on the road, like

517
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know that many people. I had to rely

518
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: on Reggie Cobb rest in Peace, who was the forty

519
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: Niners West Coast scout who passed away a couple of

520
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: years ago, who I had known through Fresno State. He

521
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: was just one of the coolest fucking dudes, who was

522
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: just so cool to me, who was so gracious to me,

523
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: who was always helping me out. And if you are

524
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: the guys that have been on the road for a

525
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: long time that have legit contacts with coaches, they were

526
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: able to get the raw information during the season. If

527
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Speaker 1: you're shooting you know, Oregon or Alabama offensive coordinator an

528
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: email on a Tuesday of a game week, maybe you

529
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: didn't hit you back. But if you have his tech,

530
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: if you have his cell phone number and you've known

531
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: him for five years and you can just shoot him

532
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: a text, your information is gonna be pretty good and

533
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel a lot more comfortable in the meetings

534
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: right now when you're going over all these players, because

535
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: that's what's happening right now, is this pro day circuit

536
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: is kind of slowing down your meeting. You're having your

537
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: draft meetings, and you're going over more than just can

538
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: the guy player or not. You're going over do we

539
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: want him in the building? How does he act? How

540
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: tough is he? Because that's the thing about football, there's

541
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: a toughness element that you can't quantify. I can I

542
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: can figure out how high you jump, I can figure

543
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: out how strong you are, I can figure out how

544
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: explosive you are, like your ten yards split on the forty.

545
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: But when when push comes to shove in your and

546
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: you're in the game of the year, are you the

547
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: guy that you got to drag off the field? Are

548
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: you one of the first guys that looks at the

549
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: coach and says, you need to blow because ultimately that

550
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: determines elite guys and not elite guys in the end

551
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: of l right, how tough they are, how bad they

552
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: want it, how their desire, how competitive they are when

553
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: they are, you know, in the line of fire, and

554
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to get that information in the true

555
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: sense of the word in the off season, and part

556
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: of the draft process why it gets a little weird

557
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: is there's paralysis by analysis. You have a lot of

558
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: time on your hands, you overthink things and you get

559
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: information that can run counter to the information that you

560
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: got during the fall. And listen, I maybe I get

561
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: pushed back on this by different people in the league.

562
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: I know the people I've been around with always feel

563
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: the most comfortable. The true information they get in the

564
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: heat of battle right during the season tends to be

565
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: pretty good because come February in March, you know who

566
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: it behooves for that program to give you more positive

567
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: information the negative information the program and that head coach,

568
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: because the higher that guy gets drafted, the more bulletin

569
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: board material they have when the recruits walk in, the

570
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: more stuff they can tweet out and snapchat out and

571
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: TikTok out about their guys getting draft in the first

572
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: or second round. They don't want a guy to draft,

573
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Speaker 1: you know, followed the fourth or fifth round if they

574
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Speaker 1: think they can help the guy get drafted in the

575
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: second round. So you start getting information that can mislead you.

576
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: And if you haven't been doing this long enough or

577
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: your contact is is strong, you cannot feel as comfortable

578
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: with where are the information is coming from. And that

579
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: then your GM's asking you because you're the boots on

580
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Speaker 1: the ground, which this year, like I said, it is

581
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: really hard because you actually weren't allowed to go. And

582
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: then plus, I think the most fascinating part about this

583
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: draft class is that on some weeks, maybe off like

584
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: Ohio State played a game, what if you what if

585
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: they didn't practice so weak? Like the scouts that were

586
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: really detail oriented and listen, we all know these people

587
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: that work in every office, work in every group setting

588
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: that are just like mind blowing with details. And then

589
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm not I I wouldn't say I'm a

590
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: great detail guy. I can get the job done. I

591
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: gotta I'm a I'm an instinct field guy. But I've

592
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: been around people who's just who'se pinpoint accuracy with every

593
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: detail is mind blowing. Now, we have different strengths and weaknesses,

594
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: but the people that the scouts that were like that,

595
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: the college directors that were like that, are gonna have

596
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: a big, big point of difference this year because if

597
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: you're trying now or the off season to figure out,

598
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: like what days they practice this week, they didn't practice

599
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: this week. You know, three of his offensive lineman had

600
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: COVID and he was playing with backups. That's why he

601
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: looks so shitty. It's gonna be impossible. There's no way

602
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to accumulate that information. But if

603
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: you were on the ball in the fall, then you're

604
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna have to talk out these scenarios in these draft meetings.

605
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: And even then, like, Okay, he was missing two of

606
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: his wide receivers, does that excuse him for playing well?

607
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: You give him more credit if he actually played well

608
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: and he was missing guys. I'm telling you, I think

609
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: of all the drafts that I've been covering, Slash working

610
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: around and just fall O in the NFL, this is

611
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: easily the craziest just because stat I read earlier. Today,

612
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: Justin Fields has played in twenty two games Mac Jones

613
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: and Trey Lance twenty or seventeen. Think about that, Justin

614
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Fields has started twenty two games. Mac Jones and Trey

615
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: Lance have started seventeen. That is not large sample size.

616
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: Think how many games Trevor Lawrence has started. It's been

617
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: a three year starter. That's a that's a lot of games.

618
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: You have a lot of information. Justin Herbert had been

619
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: a four year starter at Oregon. Joe Burrow right hey,

620
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: at least he had started back to back years at

621
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: l s U. And you just saw the maturation, you

622
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: saw the improvement. Justin Fields has just it feels like

623
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: infinitely more tape relatively like Trey Lance. Trey Lance who

624
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: just watching some clips, He's clearly really talented. It's a

625
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: major projection. And here's the thing. If we just assume Trevor,

626
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have to assume Trevor, aarence is

627
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: going one. I think when the dust settles, Zack Wilson

628
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: is going to go to then the next group of

629
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, Justin Fields, who I would take in a

630
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: heartbeat over Mac Jones because they have a way higher

631
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: ceiling The one thing I hear about those two guys

632
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: and mac Jones, they check all the boxes off the field,

633
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: like high character guys. They love football, they're hard workers,

634
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: they're great teammates. I think it's easier to differentiate when

635
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: one guy's kind of a slap, when one guy's you know,

636
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: this guy's kind of a dick. This guy doesn't treat

637
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: people well. It's like, okay, that's it's easy to stack

638
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: my board, Like I ain't deal with that, which I

639
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: think sometimes can be overvalued at other positions. Right, there's

640
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: been a lot of questionable characters that dominate at wide receiver,

641
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Speaker 1: defensive line, at guard, at safety, But with quarterback that

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Speaker 1: really matters. I mean, let's face it, you're really looking

643
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Speaker 1: for like Mahomes or Tom Brady. If you're drafting in

644
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Speaker 1: the top two or three, you're you're looking for the

645
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Speaker 1: total package, the face of your franchise, franchise that are

646
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Speaker 1: worth three to four to five billion dollars. This guy

647
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: is the face of the entire operation, and if he's good,

648
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: your franchise jolts into just a dominant cash printing mechanism.

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Speaker 1: And you could argue it already is because even teams

650
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: that lose in the NFL make money. But when you

651
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Speaker 1: win big, you become the New England Patriots for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: So if you do Land the quarterback, or even Seattle

653
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: they have only one or the Packers, you know, two

654
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: super bowls combined, right, those two franchise the last decade,

655
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Speaker 1: and think out dumb, think of what Russell Wilson Aaron

656
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Speaker 1: Rodgers have meant to those two teams. If you get

657
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: it right, it's a rap. It's over. But there's so

658
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: much that goes into it. And I think these pro

659
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: day circuit everyone's trying to figure out these guys off

660
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: the field, what they're wired, like, what they're like, because

661
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: even when you get the information, and Matt Jones, he's

662
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: a great character, Like you really need to dig deep

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Speaker 1: because if there's any question mark, I thought Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: forever was like the highest character, hardest worker, blue collar guy,

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Speaker 1: and then it turns out he's kind of a drama

666
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Speaker 1: queen doesn't really like getting coach tard like you want

667
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: to avoid that. You know. It turns out Jared goffs

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Speaker 1: a little soft and you don't truly know until you

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Speaker 1: get them, until you ultro sub adversity. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting in any stock these pro days. These

671
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: guys thrown at ninety yards. Who cares they got? They

672
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: all got big arms. To me, it's all about figuring

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Speaker 1: out the off the field stuff. Okay. I was reading

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Speaker 1: today that the NFL, and they deserve credit on this one,

675
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Speaker 1: is going to allow Monday night football weeks twelve through

676
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: seventeen because they've been doing it forever on Sunday night football,

677
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: which is easier because you just take an afternoon or

678
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Speaker 1: morning game and you move into the night. The day

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00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: doesn't change. But they're gonna start flex scheduling Monday night football.

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Speaker 1: And for a long time, if you read between the

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Speaker 1: lines or did any research on this, the NFL was

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00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: basically throwing two middle fingers at ESPN because earlier in

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Speaker 1: this decade, and really besides, like the last couple of years, ESPN,

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00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 1: a large portion of their I don't know staff, many

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Speaker 1: of their personalities like kind of stake their career and

686
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: like their point of day friends in their space was

687
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: talking about the NFL. Now, some of these issues, it

688
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: would be hard to disagree with it. Did something didn't

689
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: that up right, whether it was the Ray Rice video

690
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: like how they saw that and they spending them two games.

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Speaker 1: The Tom Brady's suspension is one of the dumbest things

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Speaker 1: that ever happened. And Tom Brady. Remember ESPN and the

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Speaker 1: Brady the deflate gate. There have been moments where it

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Speaker 1: felt like ESPN was hurting their own partner by giving

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Speaker 1: them crappy games. And I think the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: the ESPN got a new president and now they are

697
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: benefiting from a repaired relationship, and the NFL is smart,

698
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: like it doesn't behoove you listen. I'm probably naturally pretty petty.

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine many people can be petty. It's probably a

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00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: natural reaction for most human beings when you feel you've

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00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: been wronged, when you feel you got screwed over, like

702
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: most people, if you get fired or dumped, you know,

703
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: the first reaction is not going to be the root

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Speaker 1: for those people's future success. But if you're in a relationship,

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Speaker 1: or you're in a partnership, even if you don't see

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00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: eye to eye, it does serve both parties to do

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00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: as well of a job or most beneficial to both

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Speaker 1: people to both sides. And for a while it almost

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00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: felt like the NFL was trying to screw over ESPN

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Speaker 1: with crappy games, which I don't totally blame them. Like

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Speaker 1: if I was Roger Goodell, every time I turned on

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Speaker 1: that channel it was someone that I think the clown

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00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: talking shit about me, I would probably have done the

714
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: same thing. But you get to the point where you're

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Speaker 1: gonna renegotiate this television deal and you go, listen, we

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Speaker 1: gotta give a little back that we're going to charge

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Speaker 1: them double what they've been paying. Let's let's make our

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Speaker 1: product better. Who benefits that they're better games on Monday

719
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Speaker 1: night football, not just ESPN the league right, more people watch,

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Speaker 1: it's beneficial for the overall business. And clearly both sides.

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Speaker 1: You know, ESPN like they try to act like are

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Speaker 1: they still a journalistic institution or they just an entertainment

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to show games. Let's just let's be

724
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Speaker 1: real where we're at in modern day society. You just

725
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Speaker 1: want the best games to get the most people viewing

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Speaker 1: your channel so you can sell advertisers. And if the NFL,

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00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: all you care about is the best games are on

728
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: in prime time, whether that's Thursday night for bezos, now

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00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: Sunday night for uh for NBC, and I even the

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Speaker 1: you know, the national, Fox and CBS games in the

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Speaker 1: afternoon window are big. And obviously Monday Night football now

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Speaker 1: times are dramatically different than when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: in the nineties, but I still get nostalgic about Monday

734
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Speaker 1: Night football. When I was growing up in my junior, high, elementary,

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Speaker 1: in high school years, it was a big freaking deal

736
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Speaker 1: to watch mondayn football. And maybe it'll never be the same.

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Speaker 1: But the reason Sunday Night football now feels like the

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Speaker 1: regular season super Bowl every week because it's usually a

739
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Speaker 1: massive game, and then once you get to like the

740
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Speaker 1: halfway point of the season, they start flexing out the

741
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Speaker 1: crappy games because really, when you put together a season

742
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Speaker 1: schedule and you put teams on prime time, you're guessing, right.

743
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Speaker 1: But every year they're injuries. Every year there are teams

744
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Speaker 1: that kind of come out of nowhere, they become good,

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00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta change. And that's where flex

746
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Speaker 1: scheduling for Sunday Night is come and clutch. You're typically

747
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Speaker 1: getting really good games in November and December with Alan

748
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: Chris soon to be Tarko and Drew Brees. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: you're here to here first. I've been saying this for

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Speaker 1: like a year now. With Monday Night it makes a

751
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Speaker 1: lot of sense. Early on in the season, you can

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Speaker 1: basically show anything on Monday Night football, right everyone's playing hard,

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00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: it's good. But later in the year, especially with the

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Speaker 1: added game, it is a big deal to look up

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00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: and go, oh, you know the Browns at ten and

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00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: four are playing, you know the Colts at nine and five.

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00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: That feels a lot bigger than sometimes you turn on

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00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: you like, got to three win teams in November, Like

759
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: this kind of sucks? Do I really want to watch this?

760
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Speaker 1: And I give the credit to the NFL and ESPN

761
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: both swallowing their pride and realizing that we both need

762
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: to use each other to benefit because right now, this

763
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: pissing contest of us being petty with you giving you

764
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: crappy games, you guys talking shit about us three sixty

765
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 1: five is not a great working relationship. We both well.

766
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Speaker 1: ESPN needs the NFL, probably a lot more in the

767
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: NFL needs ESPN. But it's an easy one. They have

768
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: a big distribution channel. They obviously have ABC that they

769
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: can always use, and clearly they're gonna get Super Bowls

770
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: it can be a mutually beneficial partnership, and I think

771
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Speaker 1: it's a good learning experience for all of us. Like

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Speaker 1: I try and again when I say I'm a I'm

773
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Speaker 1: a negative person naturally. Maybe it's genetics, maybe whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: I've had to teach and program myself to become a

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Speaker 1: positive person as I've gotten older. And I'll never forget

776
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Speaker 1: Colin's first book. It's crazy, Like a decade ago I

777
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: was reading Colin's book. Now I work with him in

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00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: text with them shows you, you know, anything in life

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00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: is possible. I'm a big believer in that. Uh. But

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Speaker 1: you know, holding, you know, holding what was his thing?

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00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: Holding a grudge is like chain smoking hate. And that's

782
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: exact essentially what being petty is, right, rooting for someone

783
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: to or fail, rooting for people that you feel I

784
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: scrooge you over. Now I get it. If like someone

785
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: steals your life savings, I don't expect for you to

786
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: root for their success. But listen, if if you have

787
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Speaker 1: a breakup because for whatever reason you didn't like each other,

788
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: you have to go your separate ways. If you have

789
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: to leave a job on bad terms, like just the quicker,

790
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: you get over it. The quicker it is to get

791
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: on with your life and be successful. Same with both

792
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: sides and the NFL. They weren't going to go to

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Speaker 1: another network like they were gonna stay with ABC and ESPN,

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Speaker 1: And I just think that they found a way to

795
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: make this work. And everyone's on the same page now,

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Speaker 1: and they've really come a long way in the last

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Speaker 1: four or five years. Because no one led the charge

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Speaker 1: harder than than the NFL was gonna fail, that the

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Speaker 1: NBA was gonna pass the NFL, that football was gonna die,

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00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: and the consumer has shown anything but the complete opposite.

801
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: We not only love football, it's really the only thing

802
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: we consistently consume at mass numbers. The other leagues you

803
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: combine them, they don't sniff football, And don't get me wrong,

804
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: Like I was reading the reports too, I even thought,

805
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: like God, this this head down a slippery slope. Football

806
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: has gotten stronger in the last five years, become much

807
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: more popular, and now with the popularity and the more

808
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: and more people get involved with gambling and with fantasy,

809
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: I would imagine that number is only gonna grow now.

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00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: Like I've said on previous podcast, this might be as

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00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: good as it gets. For like the next decade. This

812
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: might be the peak of the NFL's powers, but they're

813
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: in the peak of their powers right now. And ESPN

814
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: and ABC had no choice, like they couldn't, let, you know,

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Speaker 1: Monday Night football go to like Netflix, right, they had

816
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: to pay whatever kept to keep them, but they also

817
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: needed some sort of givebacks, like you got to allow

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00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: us to flex schedule, which can be complicated, right because

819
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: this different day hotels and part of flex scheduling on

820
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: Monday night is like multiple weeks out and I'm fascinated

821
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Speaker 1: to watch it, but I'm glad that it eventually happened

822
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Speaker 1: and we don't have to watch crappy games in November

823
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: and December like we had the last several years. Okay,

824
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: let's get to the Middlecoff mail back at John Middlecoff

825
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: is the Instagram handle, you guys know the drill, slide

826
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: right into the direct messages and you get rid on

827
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: the show. I was I was actually just thinking. Did

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins essentially traded back from three to six and

829
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Speaker 1: got a first in a third round of pick? Think

830
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Speaker 1: about that? Remember when the Jets traded the Colts from

831
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Speaker 1: three to six. They flip flop picks and they got

832
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: three second rounders. So would you rather have three second rounders?

833
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Speaker 1: Would you rather have a first and a third? I

834
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Speaker 1: think you'd rather have a first and a third. Now

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Speaker 1: we'll see where it ends up. But in a roundabout way,

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Speaker 1: that's how it worked. You know. Obviously they got three

837
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Speaker 1: first rounders. I hate saying three first rounders because that

838
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: would insinuate the Niners gave three first rounders. No, the

839
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Speaker 1: Niners and don't and have three to zero, like when

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Speaker 1: you go from twelve to three, Like you get the

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Speaker 1: third pick, so I give you two additional first rounders.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I always look at it. I get

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Speaker 1: confused the other way question for the pod my voice

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Speaker 1: broke and going through puberty. Conventional wisdom believes that Miami

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Speaker 1: trading back to six means they are not drafting a

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Speaker 1: quarterback and riding with two instead. What if the Dolphins

847
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Speaker 1: actually want Justin Fields and just anticipate he's gonna be

848
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Speaker 1: available at six, get extra picks and the quarterback they want.

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, that'd be next level thinking. I

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Speaker 1: I would be stunned if Justin Fields is there at six.

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00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: I think Justin Fields will be gone at six. And

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Speaker 1: one thing I think I've said on this pod, my

853
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: other pod, I've said countless places that you know they'll

854
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: take Kyle Pitts, Jamaar Chase, Stavante Smith, Jalen Waddle, whoever

855
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: they think the best skill guy is. The more I've

856
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: thought about that that goes against everything fundamentally I disagree

857
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: with over the last couple of years developing the middle

858
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: Coff draft philosophy, and it's really what you have to

859
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: do to build a great team. You don't have to

860
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: draft the skill guy right there. To me, the move

861
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: and talking to a buddy in the league is like,

862
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: why don't they draft an offensive lineman? Draft another tackle,

863
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: and then you've got two tackles. You've got Austin Jackson

864
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: last year from USC and take Sewel or uh Slater,

865
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: whoever falls Take a sweet tackle. You win in the trenches.

866
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: You have another first round pick, take a sweet skill

867
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: guy with your later pick. That's what I do, That's

868
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: what I guess. You know, the Belichick school would do

869
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: you take take the big heavies. If they did draft

870
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback, that would be next level. Thinking I play

871
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: American football in the UK at university. When do you

872
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: think the UK will get its own team, and how

873
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: do you think this will look. That's a hell of

874
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: a question. Uh, my guess is part of the new

875
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: television rule today is every team in the NFL has

876
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: to host an international game in an eight year span.

877
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that. I mean, you do

878
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: the math, there's thirty two teams four times four times

879
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: eight thirty two. So four teams a year are hosting

880
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: games and then you just kind of rotate, is my math? Right? Yeah?

881
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Four times eight is thirty two. So I think it's

882
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: if the league still humming in a in a decade,

883
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: maybe at the end of the decade they move a team.

884
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: There would be my uneducated guest. I don't know. I mean,

885
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: that's just you know, from following the league, it feels

886
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: like they kind of wanteds moved to three because Kyle

887
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Robert Saler are good friends. They had a

888
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: good chat, and John Lynch made the move to three

889
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: to select by u Zack Wilson. Deshaun Watson is gonna

890
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: go to the Jets and Sam Donald the Texas. I

891
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: don't know about that. On DeShawn Watson, I think he's

892
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: got some issues. He's gonna get cleared up. The Texans

893
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: could have hired any young and up any young and

894
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: up and coming coach to run the franchise, but they

895
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: chose to more experienced coach who is much older than

896
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: most of the recent head coaching hires. That's true, there's

897
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: something different about this hiring. Josh McCown's last season was

898
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: with the Houston Texans. He's familiar in Houston and maybe

899
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: he wants to stay. But as a coach, there's no

900
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: state tax, more bank for your buck in Texas. Why not.

901
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: Josh McCown's interviewed with the Texans earlier this season. He

902
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: knows Sam Donald very well from their time together with

903
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: the Jets. I can see these two paired together in Houston.

904
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: If this happens, I feel McCown will eventually be the

905
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: head coach of Houston Texans and David Kelly can transition

906
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: to an assistant coach. Thoughts, once you become the head

907
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: coach like Tom Seula David Kelley, and even if you're

908
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: overwhelmed or over your head, there's no becoming an assistant

909
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: coach on that team. You get fired and you leave

910
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: and the new head coach comes in. But I see,

911
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I think Josh McCown there's

912
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: a chance he's the next head coach in a couple

913
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: of years. Uh. And Sam Donald they'd have to do

914
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: that now, Like Sam Donald, you gotta pick up a

915
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: fifth year option. You know, his free agency. I guess

916
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: he would be a free agent a couple of years.

917
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: But who knows. If someone trades for him, maybe he's

918
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: good and they don't let him leave. So I think

919
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: if they want Sam Donald, they gotta go get him.

920
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: The problem is Deshaun Watson, like is he gonna get

921
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: Is he gonna get suspended? Because if the stuff you know,

922
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: his his agent said, you know, be patient and everything,

923
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: Like I never understand this, and listen, I've never been

924
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: in trouble. Maybe I'm just, you know, too good of

925
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: a guy. But if I was accused of doing something

926
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: of that nature, and I get I've seen a million

927
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: law and orders and shows involving lawyers and followed enough

928
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: of this ship from Afar that the lawyer always tells

929
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: you to be quiet, don't say anything. I don't. Maybe

930
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm just nuts if I was innocent, and especially if

931
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm Deshaun Watson, I'm reading the SI story today that

932
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: said I was like forcing her hand to touch me

933
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: and humping the bed and making the chick feel uncomfortable.

934
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: I would come out with it like an Instagram or

935
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: Twitter video if I'm innocent, calling bullshit. I don't care

936
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: what my lawyer is telling me. I would be piste off.

937
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: Now I get it, that's not what you're supposed to do.

938
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: I'd have a hard time being silent, just having my

939
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: character drug through the mud again based on innocence if

940
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 1: you're guilty. And that's why all of us that don't

941
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: know the law lingo for those of you in the

942
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: in the profession, it is confusing. It's why a lot

943
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: of you guys charge a lot per hour because none

944
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: of us know what the fox is going on. We

945
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: need you guys for anything, let alone serious accusations, but

946
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: just normal stuff. Uh, it's just very very complicated, and

947
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. You know, it just becomes a he said,

948
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: she said, And the people that are talking you just

949
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of the way the world works. You just think

950
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: they're guilty. I know, it's like America innocent until proven guilty.

951
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: But let's face it, with social media and just the

952
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: way the news, Harry stuff that's not really the way

953
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: the world works because perception, everyone thinks like something shady's

954
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: going on. Question for the pod, is there any chance

955
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: because Sarrio is the real deal in Houston. As a

956
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: Texas fan, I'm optimistic that he's simply grinded and despite

957
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: the turmoil, But I also know it's way too early

958
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: to prove anything. I just hope you can overcome the

959
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: dysfunction that is Jack and cal. Also, how long do

960
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: you expect me to wait until my team is relevant again?

961
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: Internet trolls are annoying us as the next Detroit Lions.

962
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: They've been shitty for a long time, and you guys

963
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: have made the playoffs, so you'd have to be pretty bad.

964
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: Here's your main problem. Cully's a nice guy. He's a

965
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: really good assistant coach. I think it has a chance

966
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: to be a complete disaster. It might not go well

967
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: and their team is not any good And what if

968
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: de Sean they can't trade him but he gets suspended

969
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: for the season and they gotta pray with Tyrod Taylor

970
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: Like Tyrod Taylor, nice guy, Hike. He's a better person

971
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: than he is a player. He's a He's a great person.

972
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: Average to below player. I mean, he's just he's a

973
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: good backup. And when I say a good backup, part

974
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: of being a good backup is you never have to play.

975
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: When you have to play, we got issues. I just

976
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: don't think they're very talented. Uh yeah, you guys are

977
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: gonna stink. But if Cassario is the real deal, you know,

978
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: to me, it all depends on the Deshaun Watson situation.

979
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: Can he clear his name and then you trade him

980
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: or does he get in trouble and his career just

981
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: as derailed. We'll have to wait and see. I mean,

982
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: I like everyone, I don't have any fucking answers. Not

983
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: really much of a Niners fan specifically, But you gotta

984
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: think Sala's tip Shanahan in terms of what he's doing.

985
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: It too right, Assuming that's the case. Might not be,

986
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: but I heavily doubt it. Do you think this trade

987
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: the three happens if Sala isn't the guy in the

988
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: Jets building and they don't have the info channel of communication. Well,

989
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: watching the uh the Niners press conference today, here's what

990
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: I believe the Jets have been on the clock since

991
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: the season ended. Because you knew Trevor Lawrence was going one.

992
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty well established now that Zack Wilson is going

993
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: to whether the Jets take or whether they trade that

994
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: pick and someone else takes him. So the forty dis

995
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: when they traded a three, they to me they know

996
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: who they're taking. It's either Justin Fields, tray Lance, or

997
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: mac Jones. Obviously, the internet and people are pushing mac

998
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: Jones watching Kyle Shanahan say today, if you can pick

999
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: from scratch, you always take the bigger, faster, stronger guy, right,

1000
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: So he was kind of insinuating one of the other

1001
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: two guys. I think that they end up going with

1002
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: Justin Fields or trade Lance. One thing the Niners are

1003
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: gonna do. They're gonna keep very quiet about this. I

1004
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: think they really like the Chris Sims and everyone's pushing

1005
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: mac Jones. I see zero chance they take mac Jones.

1006
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: So to me, they either knew they were taking trade

1007
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: Lance or or Justin Fields. I mean they already know. Now.

1008
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: Maybe like over the next month, once they get to

1009
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: know him, maybe something changes. But I think the moment

1010
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: they made the trade, they feel very very confident. I

1011
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: guess you can't put it low because who knows. Crazy

1012
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: things can happen. But I think they feel very very

1013
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: good that they're gonna be able to get the player

1014
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: they want at number three. And I'm sure they'll say

1015
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: that after the draft. But it is believable because why

1016
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: would you why would you trade up to three on

1017
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: a hope and a prayer, longtime fan and I'm only

1018
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: four teen. God, I love the younger demo. Can't wait

1019
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: till you're old enough to purchase all of our ad stuff.

1020
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: Keep grinding, young fellow. What if the Browns don't like

1021
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield so they wait for Deshaun Watson lawsuit to

1022
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: blow over, then they could trade them Odell Beckham, John Johnson.

1023
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: I love young kids because they think of crazy trades

1024
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: and a number of first round picks for DeShawn Watson

1025
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: then started. Uh yeah, I mean I it seems a

1026
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: little far fetched. I think that. Uh. I don't know

1027
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: if anyone knows what's gonna happen to the Shaun Watson situation.

1028
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: And I mean I would imagine they just end up

1029
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: picking Baker may Fields fifth year option and just kind

1030
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: of go a year to year. That would be my guess.

1031
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: I think pretty clear Baker Mayfield is gonna be on

1032
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: the team for the next two years. Is coming into

1033
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: his fourth year. They'll pick up his fifth year option

1034
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: this offseason. I didn't think they would, but he clearly

1035
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: played well enough around the stretch or down the stretch.

1036
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm still lukewarm on him, but I am prepared to

1037
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: be wrong. I don't think he's ever gonna be some

1038
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: elite guy, but he clearly can be like a Kirk

1039
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: Cousins type quarterback if the team is stacked, and they

1040
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: are pretty stacked. Someone sent me, doesn't seem like you're

1041
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: a big hockey guy, but I feel like you'd appreciate this,

1042
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: and it's just a video from of just brawls happening

1043
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: in hockey. Yeah, not a huge hockey guy. And not

1044
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: because I'm like anti the sport. I think they are

1045
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: the craziest, toughest dudes in sports. I just when I

1046
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: watch it doesn't do that much for me. Now, playoff hockey,

1047
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: the intensity is awesome, but just a regular season game

1048
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really get my juice on. Maybe it's because I'm

1049
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: a California guy. I don't know. When I lived in Philly,

1050
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: they really liked the Flyers. That's all I got, you know,

1051
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: enjoy the week. Um, maybe I'll get a guest for

1052
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: later this week. We'll see, we see how, we'll see

1053
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: how the week it goes. We'll just keep grinding and

1054
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: um and yeah, talk to you guys Friday. Peace,