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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling railvalry.

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Speaker 4: No, no, sibling, you don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Revelry.

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Speaker 5: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oliver Hudson here doing another episode of as sibling Revelry.

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Speaker 2: We're getting close to the holidays. Christmas is on its way.

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Speaker 2: I love Christmas. Man very very big into Christmas. It's

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Speaker 2: been a you know, Christmas. This has been a very

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Speaker 2: important tradition for my family. I don't know, I'm probably

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Speaker 2: probably talked about it before, but you know, Sanna has

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Speaker 2: been a big deal for us. I don't know when

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Speaker 2: this show is actually coming out, but it's close enough

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Speaker 2: to Christmas. San has been a very big deal for

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Speaker 2: us ever since Kurt came into our lives six years

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Speaker 2: old because with his family, San has been everything. So

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Speaker 2: he brought that into our family. And I remember the

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Speaker 2: first Christmas that we had in Colorado. We were little

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Speaker 2: kids and we wake up in the morning and you know, Pa,

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Speaker 2: my dad, Kurt, Paw Dad, Paw Kurt, whatever you want

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Speaker 2: to say. The man who raised me, the man who

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Speaker 2: made me the incredible man that I am today. He

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Speaker 2: had a place in Colorado and we were there and

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Speaker 2: we wake up and he goes, oh my god, you guys,

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Speaker 2: you're never going to believe what I just saw. And

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Speaker 2: we run up to this on the side of his

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Speaker 2: hill and you can get on the roof because it

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Speaker 2: was like built into the hill, and on the roof

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Speaker 2: were sled tracks that had flown off of the roof.

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Speaker 2: There was a bell that said Blitzen on it that

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Speaker 2: had a leather old you know bell. It was a

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Speaker 2: collar that was on the ground, and there was a

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Speaker 2: present that was stuck in the chimney and it was

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Speaker 2: just awe in spine. We we were floored. We couldn't

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Speaker 2: believe what we had just seen. And we opened up

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Speaker 2: the president. It was actually interesting. It was a it

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Speaker 2: was a little jumper. It was like a little baby jumper,

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Speaker 2: you know, a boy, a blue little onesie thing, and

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Speaker 2: it was just like almost it was just so detail

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Speaker 2: and that set it off, you know, and then each year,

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Speaker 2: you know, it just keeps getting bigger, bigger and better,

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Speaker 2: and now there's this actual Santa. One of us has

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Speaker 2: to play Santa. And now I think it's my turn

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Speaker 2: because my kids are now of age and they no

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Speaker 2: longer believe. Although I still believe in Santa Claus. Let's

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Speaker 2: just keep that it's clear. So read the Night before

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Speaker 2: Christmas and you know, Merry Christmas, do all, and do

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Speaker 2: all a good night, and then boom, alt near these

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Speaker 2: bells and everyone runs to the window and out in

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Speaker 2: the distance you see Santa running in the snow with

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Speaker 2: a big sack. He's just sort of be on the lights.

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Speaker 2: You're like, holy shit, it's him. I mean, it was

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Speaker 2: so real looking and and every year someone played Santa,

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Speaker 2: and now it's gonna be my turn for aman do

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Speaker 2: I have some funny stories about the Santa game, which god,

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Speaker 2: I want to tell them, but I think this intro

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Speaker 2: is getting a little long. Shit anyway, I'll save it.

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Speaker 2: I'll save it for another episode. How about that? Because

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Speaker 2: this is this is very this is exciting, this is

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Speaker 2: very exciting for me. Their next guests, he's well, Dana pertiful.

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Speaker 2: Dana bashes coming up, and I think he was about

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Speaker 2: saying that she has seen and a journalist. She's a journalist,

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Speaker 2: she's an anchor, she's a host of Inside politics. What

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Speaker 2: a fun time to have her on, given that the

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Speaker 2: election was only a few weeks ago. And then her

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Speaker 2: brother Dave, And we're going to talk all. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk siblings, We're going to talk politics. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about it all. I have some questions and.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully they answer them. Hopefully anyway, without further ado, bring

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Speaker 5: on the bashes, the Schwartzes and the bashes, the Schwartzes. Schwartz, bash, Schwartz.

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Speaker 2: We did it. Hi, so good to see you guys. Yeah. Fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy you guys are both on.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having us on. I'm I want you to

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Speaker 3: know that I am an early listener, like I think,

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Speaker 3: I'm like an og Oh my gosh, sibling revelry.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I amazing, amazing. I can't I can't even believe that.

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Speaker 3: Like I first I first learned about the Foster sisters

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Speaker 3: from you guys.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was early early, I know, wow, I feel

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Speaker 2: I know. I'm telling you. Well you are, you're in

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Speaker 2: your office. When do you go on? Are you working tonight?

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Speaker 3: I worked already. My show is on at your your

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Speaker 3: west coast, right, yeah, so it was on at nine

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Speaker 3: it's on at nine am.

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Speaker 2: You don't do the later shows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah sometimes sometimes, Okay, not very much, but yeah, crazy.

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Speaker 6: I talked to her every day, and I just dumbfounded

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Speaker 6: the fact that she's, you know, in the middle of

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Speaker 6: all this. Yeah, you know, surrounded by all this. But

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Speaker 6: you know, she's always said that.

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Speaker 2: She's excited no matter what, it's exciting. I know we'll

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Speaker 2: get into all that shit, but I want to get

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Speaker 2: into I want to get into your life and your

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Speaker 2: childhood and where you grew up. And you guys are

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Speaker 2: the only siblings, right, Okay, so let's just paint. Let's

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Speaker 2: just paint a nice sort of Bob Ross picture of

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Speaker 2: where it all went down.

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Speaker 3: So we Our parents met in dif from Chicago, met

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Speaker 3: in Chicago at the local ABC affiliate in Chicago. They

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Speaker 3: were both working in news and they had a whirlwind romance.

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Speaker 3: Six months later they were engaged. My dad got a

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Speaker 3: job with the network in New York and my mom said, okay,

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Speaker 3: we're getting married. So it was really romantic.

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Speaker 6: So they so they got them much a story for

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Speaker 6: most of their lives.

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Speaker 2: Yes, is practice practical.

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Speaker 3: Practical, Like okay, we're you know, late sixties and then

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Speaker 3: and then moved to New York and I was born,

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Speaker 3: and then we moved to New Jersey and he was born.

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Speaker 2: Came in New Jersey, I was doing I just did

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Speaker 2: finish Happy Gilmore two. Yeah, it's amazing. So where in Jersey,

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Speaker 2: I was living in Short Hills, I was staying in.

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Speaker 2: I was staying in, staying in Short Hills. That was

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Speaker 2: really fantastic. But anyway, I would go to the shore though,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why Jersey gets a bad rap. It

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it gets a bad rap because you land and

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Speaker 6: if you land in Newark, forget about it.

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Speaker 3: That's why.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm surrounded by factory and that's it.

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Speaker 3: And it smells, but it's actually the Garden State. Most

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Speaker 2: Moved to New Jersey and that's where it is. We're

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we were lucky. I was born in it.

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Speaker 6: So the trajectory is we were born in angle I

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Speaker 3: I was in middle school.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're in middle school. Yeah, and then show So

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Speaker 6: she went to high school in Jersey. I had middle

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Speaker 6: But I'm throwing a Q flag HU flag on that.

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Speaker 3: I feel like in twenty twenty four. You should be

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Speaker 2: This is true, and I definitely.

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Speaker 3: Identify as a Jersey girl for sure. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: My brutal because it also separates you from the DC

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Speaker 2: you know that your senior year, you're almost into situating

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Speaker 2: I'm a Jersey girl.

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Speaker 3: Totally you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to meet him. Oh my god, have

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Speaker 3: you ever? I I was so not cool, Oliver. I

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Speaker 3: so adork. I literally, I just I lost my ability

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Speaker 2: I'm a huge Howard Stern fan, so which went an

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Speaker 2: amazing interview and watching it, you know, watching I think

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Speaker 3: You not for me, like I if I could be

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Speaker 2: So he is the best because you know, he's so

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Speaker 6: That's the same thing, Danna, So Danna every Wednesday has

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Speaker 6: the same exact thing. Politics.

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Speaker 3: Listen find out we're trying to stem the tide away

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Speaker 2: Met, were you able to get words out eventually?

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Speaker 3: A little? Oh? Yeah? And I was with my son

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Speaker 3: who's thirteen. A he Springsteen was so nice. He like

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Speaker 3: of course, I immediately took it on him. It was

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Speaker 2: This and so then the dynamic, you know, two and

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Speaker 2: a half years basically just like myself and my sister.

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Speaker 2: I'm the older one, though. Was it good? Did you

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Speaker 2: guys love each other? Was it battles? You know? Because

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Speaker 2: with Katie and I I didn't. Let's just be straight up.

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Speaker 2: She bothered me.

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Speaker 6: You know, I guess I put on rose colored glasses

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Speaker 6: because the other day, I was like, we didn't really

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Speaker 6: fight when we were kids, do we? And she looked

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Speaker 6: at me, she goes, are you insane? We're always fighting?

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Speaker 6: But it was really it was a one way street

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Speaker 6: for most of our childhood where she she would abuse me,

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Speaker 6: things like spinning me around until I threw up. She

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Speaker 7: But the whole, but the whole idea of like we

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Speaker 2: the work that goes into what you guys do day

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Speaker 2: in and day out. Just from a pure volume standpoint

438
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Speaker 2: and a retention standpoint and a reading standpoint. Everyone knows everything.

439
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: All you guys know everything. I mean, I I you know,

440
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: I work to live. I don't live to work, you

441
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, which is probably detrimental to me.

442
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: You know, I would probably be further along in my

443
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: career even though I'm happy. But you know, I I

444
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: my god, damn, I'm like, do they ever get a

445
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Speaker 2: break to do anything fun?

446
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 3: It's hard. Sometimes it's the answer sometimes sometimes, I mean

447
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 3: obviously election years are little, but it's it's definitely all consuming.

448
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 3: We're talking about technology, I mean saying about technology certainly.

449
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 3: I mean I've been at CNN for thirty one years,

450
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: like almost literally before the Internet, and so now that

451
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: we can do everything on our phone, not just like

452
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: communicate or do zoom or whatever, but like I can

453
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: be in touch with anybody at any time. I mean,

454
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: we all feel like this, but it's even more for

455
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: a twenty four to seven job. It really, it really

456
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: does free me up. I can't check out mentally and emotionally,

457
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Speaker 3: but I can, you know, physically be gone, do.

458
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Speaker 2: You know, I mean yes, not acting. You know, I

459
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: wanted to make movies. So it was in the same

460
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: sort of world my sister came out of the womb,

461
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: like singing and dancing for the most part, you know,

462
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: which annoyed the shit out of me, but I wanted

463
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Speaker 2: to know. So while she was doing plays, I every

464
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: weekend with my best friend and now still my producing partner. Now,

465
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: we made movies. You know. We had squibs and blank

466
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: gun I mean that back then in the eighties, you know,

467
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: you can mail order a gun that had blanks in it,

468
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: like a real nine milimeter Burretta with blanks, and we're like,

469
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Speaker 2: no one checked idea. It was just kind of like

470
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: we did the craziest shit. But we made movies. And

471
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Speaker 2: I went to college for a couple of years. You know,

472
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: that wasn't really my thing, and I just started to

473
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: act because my family did it and I needed to

474
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: figure out how to make money and it seemed to work.

475
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Speaker 2: You know. Now and as I'm getting older, it's become

476
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: still an actor, no doubt, but I've got a production

477
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: company and you know, I'm sort of wanting to do

478
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: more creative things. You know, acting can be kind of limiting,

479
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: you know, because you're at the mercy of money essentially

480
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: and supporting a family and not necessarily doing the things

481
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: that are inspiring you in any way. And the way

482
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: to sort of combat that or compliment that is to

483
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: have you know, your own projects.

484
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Speaker 6: And well you're also not beholden to the big studio

485
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 6: anymore because everything is so much more democratic. You can

486
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 6: you can have a company and don't need a human

487
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Speaker 6: you know.

488
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Speaker 2: And you know, this is my first year with a deal.

489
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: I have a deal at Fox, and it's been really

490
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: really fun. I mean it's been a blast, you know,

491
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: to have an actual place to take gigs, you know,

492
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Speaker 2: to take ideas and to watch them sort of blossom

493
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Speaker 2: into something. So it's been it's been fun. You know,

494
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: it's been fun. So I guess to answer your question, yes,

495
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: it's all my kids want to do it. I mean,

496
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: all of Kate's kids want to do it. It's just

497
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: kind of there. I don't know what else anyone's going

498
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: to do.

499
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Speaker 6: Jonah Jonah doesn't he does he.

500
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: Talk about like sports he wants to do it's like

501
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: a sports version of their podcast or sport Ors.

502
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: And then David for you, like, you know, first of all, Dan,

503
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: when did you have that moment of like, you know what,

504
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: I guess, this is who I am. I mean, this

505
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: is what I want to do. And did it come

506
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: with passion or was it kind of like you're just like,

507
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: this is my destiny.

508
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: I came to GW to school here in Washington, and

509
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: I tried a lot of different things with internships, and

510
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: I could because I was in a city that allowed

511
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: for it. So I got a little bit of the

512
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: political bug, which I never had before. I mean, our

513
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: father always jokes that he's pretty confident. I graduated high

514
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: goal without knowing that there are three branches of government.

515
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: Like I was, I'd like to party.

516
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: Let's just leave it for you back to the eighties. Yeah.

517
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: So so I got more serious and I did internships

518
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: slash sort of volunteer gigs on Capitol Hill, at the

519
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: White House I did. I thought about maybe law school,

520
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: I thought about going into politics. And then once I

521
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: was doing those internships, I realized that I'm not passionate

522
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: on one side of the aisle or another, or about

523
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: a political philosophy or another. That I really liked to

524
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: kind of observe at all and to understand it all.

525
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Speaker 3: And then I did an internship. I was at CBS

526
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Speaker 3: News here in Washington, and I said, oh, okay, is

527
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: it And that was it. I just took off from there.

528
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

529
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: Ah, and a day for you, you know, finding your path.

530
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Speaker 2: I mean you're still you know, it's a it's a

531
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Speaker 2: cousin what you do. I mean you know we're all

532
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: in media, right, yes.

533
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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah. For me, it was I figured it feels

534
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 6: a little more straightforward for me. I went to school.

535
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Speaker 6: I went to New High School in Syracuse to study

536
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Speaker 6: television film production. And my first job out of school

537
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Speaker 6: actually I worked for a talent agency and we represented

538
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Speaker 6: newscasters and sportscasters, entertainment hosts, and it was just it

539
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 6: was so easy for me because this is kind of

540
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 6: I grew up, like our dinners at home revolved around

541
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 6: the six thirty evening news. You just grew up watching

542
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 6: these guys and paying attention to these people. So it

543
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 6: was like it was an easy field for me to

544
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 6: kind of stumble into. But then I worked for news

545
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 6: and I didn't like that at all, and I said,

546
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 6: you know what, I want to do more production. And

547
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 6: I knew there was a world of like, well, corporations

548
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 6: need video, let's let's do that. And I worked for

549
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 6: a coming that did that, left there and then started

550
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 6: my company. Now it's been fifteen sixteen plus years that

551
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 6: I've I've had pressure and it's uh and it's great

552
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 6: and I love it, and I still feel you know,

553
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 6: our our eating dinners still revolve around politics really in

554
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 6: our household, yeah, for sure. I mean if you don't,

555
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 6: if you're not up on your current events, there's nothing

556
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 6: to talk about if the four of us are together

557
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 6: really for sure. Not not in my house. My house

558
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 6: were alls around fuller house eating conversation.

559
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Speaker 2: No, I know, it's it's it's kind of like when

560
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: you have family dinners. It's like, Okay, I got to

561
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: brush up, you know, I mean to make sure that

562
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Speaker 2: I'm current.

563
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but he's David's more creative. I mean, You've

564
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: got the creative production side, and I'm more of the like,

565
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I need a modicum of creativity for like

566
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: when I'm going out and shooting pieces. It's not but

567
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: it's like in my mind, how is this going to look?

568
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: How are we going to Am I going to write

569
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: this piece?

570
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: And how much writing is there for you? Dan, like

571
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: a lot, what you're reading, what you're reading, what's on

572
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: your prompter? Are you writing that? So?

573
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: No, I don't do the well, honestly, it just depends.

574
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: For the most part, we have people, I have show

575
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: team in each producer kind of writes a segment, but

576
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: I have a pretty heavy hand and and and and

577
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: change things sometimes though oftentimes when I'm in the chair

578
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: and something's happening, I don't have the ability to do that.

579
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: So they'll write something and if I'm not like crazy

580
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: about it, I'll just outlive it and kind of ignore

581
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: what's in the tele prompter.

582
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 2: You have to be tough to do what you do.

583
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: Do You have to say, hey, guys to a producer

584
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: like this fucking sucks. I'm sorry, like we're this is

585
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: I can't baby you. I mean, is there that sort of.

586
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: Some people are like that. I don't. That's generally not

587
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: my style.

588
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 6: I think she's tough, but she has a gentle hand

589
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 6: in her toughness. You're definitely tough.

590
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: I'm tough, but yeah, I mean sometimes I'll just go

591
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: in and usually I'll go in and change it, and

592
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: then I'll have a conversation like, hey, you know, this

593
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: is minor thing and minor thing. But I don't know

594
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: if you've noticed this, but a lot of people who

595
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: are in my business, they just act as if the

596
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: verb to be doesn't exist and everything is an ink

597
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 3: today campaignting. They they are can't no, it's it's okay.

598
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: I mean they're starting to have I have little pet

599
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: piece that other people don't. But separate from that, I

600
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: when I do. I mean I came up as a

601
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: producer and then as a reporter where I wrote all

602
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: my own you write all your own pieces and it

603
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: and it is about sort of creativity because you know

604
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: that you have I think, if it's done right, you

605
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: have sound bites of people who you want to get

606
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: out there. You have pictures, you have natural sound to

607
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: the pictures, and so writing to the pictures in the

608
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: sound in a way to put it all together, so

609
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: it's edited together to tell a story. Is actually it's

610
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: one of the things that I learn.

611
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: Well, there's the creativity right there.

612
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

613
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 6: And and the fact that she came up through CNN

614
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 6: being a PA, being a death sistant, being a writer,

615
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 6: being assistant producer library she was fetching years ago.

616
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, which doesn't exist anymore. When was your do

617
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: you remember both of you? Do you you know your

618
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: sister and then you Danna do you remember that break?

619
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: We were like, holy shit, here's my shot as a

620
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: brother being like, oh my god, here's my sister on

621
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Speaker 2: TV fucking doing it.

622
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 3: So before I got to that fucking doing it, I

623
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: was I was still behind the scenes on Capitol. I

624
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: was a Senate producer and I was there on nine

625
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: to eleven in the Capitol, and that's a whole different

626
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: story or going into the Capital. So in the aftermath

627
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: of nine eleven, there was just, you know, a lot

628
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: of reporting to be had, and I broke It was

629
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: one of the first big stories that I broke, and

630
00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: it was that in a classified briefing after the attacks,

631
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 3: people in the intelligence community told Senate Intel Committee that

632
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: the NSA had actually received a message that they didn't translate.

633
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: They received it on nine ten, they didn't translate till

634
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: nine twelve, and it said the mess the match is

635
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: happening tomorrow. Tomorrow is game day tomorrow, zero hour. So yeah,

636
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: you know, had they had even if they translated it,

637
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: I don't know. I imagined planes going into towers. But

638
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: and so that was a big deal, and that was

639
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: I didn't do it on camera because I wasn't on air,

640
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: so an on air reporter did it. But I ended

641
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 3: up winning an award for that and broke a few

642
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 3: other stories and they were like, hey, do you want

643
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: to maybe try being the White House correspondent.

644
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 6: It was like the starting out the White House.

645
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I knew enough to know that it was

646
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: like really scary and I think the head CNN throws

647
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: bash at the White House.

648
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 6: At the White House.

649
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I started at the White House in two

650
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: thousand and two. George W. Bush was president, and so

651
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: I was there at the end of two thousand and

652
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Speaker 3: two and then beginning of two thousand and three. It

653
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Speaker 3: was a run up to the Iraq War. It was

654
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Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was rock I don't recommend

655
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Speaker 3: the first live shot you do to be on the

656
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Speaker 3: White House lawn. It was not.

657
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Speaker 2: That was your first live shot very first.

658
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like noxious. I was so scared. Oh

659
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Speaker 3: my god. Absolutely, And now there are a lot more

660
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Speaker 3: people who come from either behind the scene, from print

661
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Speaker 3: onto the TV. Back then, it was really a pipeline

662
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Speaker 3: for the post part. You started in local is at

663
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Speaker 3: a really small market. You got to do a bigger market,

664
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Speaker 3: a bigger market, a bigger market, and then you ended

665
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Speaker 3: up at a network or cable and that was after

666
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Speaker 3: you all these reps where you no good sense of

667
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Speaker 3: the performance of it or feeling of it, and you

668
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Speaker 3: know I was behind the scenes doing it, producing reporters.

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Speaker 2: But never actually when you're doing those, there are there

670
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Speaker 2: queue cards or you just have a memorization thing like

671
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Speaker 2: such a when you when you hear them ripping ship off,

672
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Speaker 2: we're like, wow, that's oppressive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's their no que cards. It's it's just

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Speaker 3: what you know and what you're.

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Speaker 2: Old And Dave, did you watch them? Did you see them?

676
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Speaker 2: I mean, were you how supportive? Were you? Guys all

677
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Speaker 2: always supportive of each other?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, very supportive. I believe I actually cut her

679
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Speaker 6: resume tape when she wanted to be a an on

680
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Speaker 6: air report.

681
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Speaker 2: Right what I thought?

682
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Speaker 3: I thought I wanted to do it, and then I didn't.

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Speaker 6: This is a check card. I did my best to

684
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Speaker 6: make her look. Of course, it's it's it's on a.

685
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Speaker 2: Data tap transfer that.

686
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very supportive. Still, you know, it took me

687
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Speaker 6: at least a year or two to not freak out

688
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 6: every time I saw her on Oh my god, exactly exactly.

689
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Speaker 6: Of course, as it went on and I you know,

690
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Speaker 6: I less so and now now now she'll like text

691
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Speaker 6: me at a long fifteen I'm like aren't you on

692
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Speaker 6: the TV right now? Like, what are you doing?

693
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Speaker 3: Tech?

694
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Speaker 6: She's more comfortable, right, but uh, you know, very supportive,

695
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Speaker 6: you know, and and it also of course helps that

696
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Speaker 6: you know, I grew up in an assehold that I

697
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Speaker 6: grew up in. So when when she does an interview

698
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Speaker 6: that I have a couple of comments on you, I'll

699
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Speaker 6: talk to her about it and I'll send her text

700
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Speaker 6: about it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're like, so I can give her a lot

703
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Speaker 6: of her I a lot of production notes. Actually on

704
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Speaker 6: the Wals Harris interview, I'm like, oh.

705
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, why is he so big?

706
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Speaker 7: Right?

707
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Speaker 2: He was opened, Wasn't there all kinds of ship made

708
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Speaker 2: of that? The whole way it was set up and

709
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Speaker 2: on a desk and.

710
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Speaker 3: She was hunched over and he was twice the time,

711
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Speaker 3: say our production seen as production team, they know what

712
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Speaker 3: they're doing. There was there was a bit of a

713
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Speaker 3: struggle with Harris's advanced team.

714
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Speaker 2: I'll just yeah, yeah, yeah, after yeah, well, you know,

715
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Speaker 2: I don't want to keep you gets going, but we

716
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Speaker 2: got to get I just want to get into the

717
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Speaker 2: state of the world a little bit, you know, I

718
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Speaker 2: obviously want to get deep into it all because you know,

719
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Speaker 2: it is what it is, and it's the country is spoken.

720
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Speaker 2: There's no fucking doubt about that, you know what I'm saying.

721
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Speaker 2: Even going back a little bit further, forget about just

722
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Speaker 2: you know the political landscape today thirty one years ago

723
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Speaker 2: as far as media goes, Like, how much have you

724
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Speaker 2: seen it change from when you started to what it

725
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: is now? Oh yeah, it's like vastly.

726
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 3: So many ways changed more than it has stayed the same. Honestly,

727
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Speaker 3: when I started at CNN, Ted Turner, who of course

728
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Speaker 3: found at CNN, it was still his company. He hadn't

729
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: sold it to AOL and then Time Warner and then

730
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Speaker 3: WarnerMedia and all that, Like, it was still a very

731
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Speaker 3: rudimentary company and relatively small, and it was sort of

732
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Speaker 3: scrappy and all of that. And uh, it was before

733
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Speaker 3: Fox News, it was before MSNBC, and obviously it was

734
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Speaker 3: before the Internet and and and then then smartphones and

735
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Speaker 3: everything else. So I saw a huge transformation in terms

736
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Speaker 3: of competition, in terms of more importantly, the way we communicate.

737
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Speaker 3: I mean, Ted Turner used to say, the news is

738
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Speaker 3: the star. And it was just like today on Znet,

739
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Speaker 3: very dry and not a lot of personality, which was

740
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Speaker 3: his intent again, because it was like it was US

741
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Speaker 3: or c Span or soap operas and that was it.

742
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Speaker 3: So it's changed.

743
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm sure, But I'm wondering if that competition,

744
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: you know, for ratings has sort of diluted the idea

745
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: of what news is supposed to be because now we're

746
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Speaker 2: searching for ratings a ton of opinion people, and it's

747
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: just about being as loud as you can fucking be

748
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Speaker 2: so you can win, rather than just sort of delivering

749
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Speaker 2: the news, you know. And yeah, you know, obviously for me,

750
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Speaker 2: we're living in this world of like, what is a fact?

751
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: I guess nowadays? But there is fact obviously we live

752
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Speaker 2: in the real world where whatever happened actually did the

753
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Speaker 2: way it did. But it's impossible to sort of trust

754
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Speaker 2: anything I guess anymore. And what do you attribute that to?

755
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, misinformation has been going

756
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Speaker 2: on for a while, but why all of a sudden

757
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: has it just blown up?

758
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Speaker 3: There are lots of reasons. Number one, it's easier to

759
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: transmit misinformation you get it in your pocket on your phone,

760
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Speaker 3: and the algorithms if you watch one thing that is

761
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Speaker 3: about let's just say the election being stolen then the

762
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Speaker 3: algorithm will push other people to you, so you think

763
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Speaker 3: that is the truth because that's all you're getting on

764
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Speaker 3: your phone, on your social feed and so forth.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like media is skewed in one direction

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Speaker 2: or another non timeout CN I'm talking about just generally

767
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Speaker 2: just because of ratings, because of opinion shows like how

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Speaker 2: Do You Square?

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Speaker 3: That it's fractured. It's skewed in a lot of different directions,

770
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Speaker 3: and it's fractured. So so, like you've talked about facts

771
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Speaker 3: in my dreams, I'm giving the facts, and I'm giving

772
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Speaker 3: objective information and people are there and they're listening to it,

773
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Speaker 3: and then they make up their own mind. But because

774
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Speaker 3: of what we were just talking about, not only on

775
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Speaker 3: people's phones, which is primarily how they're getting information, which

776
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Speaker 3: is causing the whole media infrastructure to shift, including and

777
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Speaker 3: especially cable news, which is what I'm doing for more

778
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: than thirty years, it's harder to get people to who

779
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Speaker 3: want to listen to objective news. And I do think

780
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Speaker 3: that you know, you were talking about the ratings, like

781
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Speaker 3: I do think that you can be interesting and fact

782
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Speaker 3: based at the same time. You don't have to scream

783
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 3: and yell. You don't have to be outrageous. It's a challenge,

784
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: but I think it's possible, and I think that we

785
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Speaker 3: need to strive to do more of that and to

786
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Speaker 3: do better to attract people, because look, I mean, what

787
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Speaker 3: do people want to do. They want to look at

788
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Speaker 3: a clip that somebody sends them, or look at a

789
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Speaker 3: clip that shows up on their feed. But at the

790
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Speaker 3: same time, people are more and more investing hours listening

791
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: to podcasts like yours, listening to longer podcasts like Joe Rogan.

792
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Speaker 3: So it goes back and forth. It's finding that that

793
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Speaker 3: sweet spot.

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Speaker 6: And when you when she always says when she posts

795
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Speaker 6: a video online or on Instagram, and when when she's

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Speaker 6: getting attacked from the left and get any attack from

797
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Speaker 6: the right, yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And I think that's

798
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Speaker 6: what makes her not to tootor her own honkers and

799
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Speaker 6: just her own horn. But she's really uh, she's really straight,

800
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Speaker 6: and she she plays it down the middle. And I

801
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 6: think that that's what makes her really a really good

802
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 6: journalist and a really good reporter, is that she does

803
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Speaker 6: give it to both sides. And I think people see that,

804
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 6: and it's hard for people to see that nowadays, but you.

805
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Speaker 2: Know, What's interesting though, is like even though we are

806
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Speaker 2: telling the news straight, I think we have it's it's

807
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Speaker 2: okay to not necessarily have a verbal opinion, you know,

808
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Speaker 2: I mean, but it is you can see an emotional opinion,

809
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, you know, instead of

810
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Speaker 2: straight news, there is you can you can see whoever

811
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Speaker 2: is reporting, you can feel where they lean just based

812
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Speaker 2: on you know, that feeling that they have, that energy

813
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 2: that is put out, you know, and that is something

814
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: that is human and so it's fun to watch. But

815
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Speaker 2: I wonder if that is something that you know, takes

816
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: away from sort of that straight down the middle I'm

817
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: just telling you the news.

818
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, people people don't want to hear it anymore.

819
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Speaker 6: They want to hear what they what they believe, and

820
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Speaker 6: what they what they think as well.

821
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Speaker 3: You know.

822
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's true, you're just trying to It's but

823
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Speaker 2: there is.

824
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Speaker 3: It's so important and there is a place for it.

825
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Speaker 3: And I mean, look the New York Times, the Wall

826
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Speaker 3: Street Journal, like they don't have the circulation or you know,

827
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Speaker 3: clicks maybe they used to, but they still are doing

828
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Speaker 3: pretty well. And uh and us see, I mean CNN

829
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Speaker 3: dot com is the most red news site on the planet.

830
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So that, yeah, Harting, And it's.

831
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Speaker 3: Not just and it's not just straight. I mean there's

832
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Speaker 3: there's also a pinon and different sort of flavors of news.

833
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: It's not just politics. So there is an appetite for it.

834
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Speaker 3: You just have to get past it.

835
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Speaker 1: No, you do.

836
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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm not this.

837
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Speaker 2: We never do talk politics on our show at all

838
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: or even you know, broach it, you know, but I

839
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: will say that, you know, I do. I watch CNN

840
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: because I feel like that is I'm getting the best

841
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: sort of news from CNN. But I also honestly like

842
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: Brett Behar is a good friend of mine and I

843
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: love him, and I think that you know, he really,

844
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, does it straight just for the most part

845
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Speaker 2: when I watch his segment, you know, But I just

846
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: want to stay away from it. You know, it's it's

847
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: just too divisive, it's too crazy. Right now, I just

848
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: want to talk about sort of just accountability, you know,

849
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: in the newsroom. You know, first of all, do you

850
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: feel like there is accountability in media just generally, Well.

851
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: It depends on what flavor of media.

852
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: Let's just let's just go with you guys. The big threes.

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00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: You know what I mean it I do? I mean,

854
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: who keeps everyone accountable?

855
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: That's a great question. There is definitely accountability in that

856
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 3: we have internal standards. Quite literally, we have a whole

857
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: standards department. We have a department that does that does

858
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: approving of stories, approving of sources, and then we of

859
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: course have you know, our legal department, and they all

860
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: get together along with our editorial heads, and if there's

861
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: something that either isn't reported quite right or isn't totally

862
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: accurate unintentionally, then we make a correction. And that's what

863
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: makes us different from people other people. It's important to us,

864
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: and like you said, we are all human and people

865
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 3: make mistakes or are maybe led astray by by sources

866
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Speaker 3: depending on the situation. But it's a very big part

867
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Speaker 3: of our culture and I think that of other real

868
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Speaker 3: journalism and journalist entities to do that, and I do

869
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: think you know, of course, in today's environment, it's very

870
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: easy to get attacked by oh my gosh, they had

871
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: to make a correction. Well, you know what, if I'm

872
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 3: a consumer of media, a consumer of I see that

873
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: the news outlet that I watch or read makes a correction.

874
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: Of course, good because it Yeah, so that yeah, account

875
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 2: you think it could be better. You think you think

876
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,479
Speaker 2: just across the board.

877
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I mean we could all all always be better.

878
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: When you guys come off the air, when you when

879
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 2: you go to commercial, do you guys all talk on

880
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: the panel.

881
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 7: You do?

882
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: Is there a lot of cursing and stuff that happens.

883
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: Yes, That's what I'm saying.

884
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 2: Behind the scene ship is what I want to see.

885
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 2: I want to see them behind the scenes ship after

886
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: they go to commercial, and it's like all.

887
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: I know, you know what, I always joke about that

888
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: because we're not on broadcast, We're on cable, so there's

889
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: no we're not going to get like an FCC fine

890
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: for cursing.

891
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: Oh it's so great.

892
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: You know.

893
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: It's always fun to hear the opinions and the pundits

894
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: and the right and the left, and you know, see

895
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: the battles. It it's fun. But then once the cameras

896
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: go away you go to commercial. That's the fun shit,

897
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: you know if all that back and forth it goes on.

898
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: And I'm sure so you have.

899
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: I would love to Washington end of the day here

900
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: and you can just hang out.

901
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: And oh my god, I would love to and are

902
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: there people internally you know who are on air who

903
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: everyone seems to like each other, but are there are

904
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: there like rivalries and people who don't like each other

905
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: but have to work together, and no, specifically in your world,

906
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: there are.

907
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 6: There are Listen, I can open the door and walk

908
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 6: out there and we can we.

909
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: Can start because just.

910
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 3: In all seriousness, it's actually kind of kind of amazing

911
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 3: how well most of us get along.

912
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 2: You can tell, I mean you can really tell. I've

913
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: seen Scott Jennings get like really you can see his

914
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: face go flush sometimes when he's gets really angry.

915
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: He loves is great, He's I mean, I've done him

916
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: for a long time. He is He's a funny guy

917
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: and he's and like walk off the set with I mean,

918
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: you're obviously a viewer, so like Ashley Allison left as they.

919
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: Come and see what I'm talking about behind the scenes

920
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: stuff like you know, the cutaways. Would it be great

921
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: to see Ashley and Scott like yucking it up at

922
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: the craft service table and being like, look, we can disagree,

923
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: but we can still be homie.

924
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

925
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 6: But but that happens all the time when when Dan

926
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 6: is interviewing somebody and she's really going after him and

927
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 6: trying to get to them and trying to get facts,

928
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 6: the truth out of them, and they'll have a real

929
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 6: heated conversation as soon as that camera shuts off. Hey,

930
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 6: so you're gonna be, you know, going to the dinner

931
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 6: tomorrow night.

932
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

933
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: So it's sometimes that doesn't sometimes, but for the most.

934
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 6: Part nowadays it's less.

935
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, earlier on, there's a mutual respect there. I mean,

936
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: there used to be like a respect for what they do,

937
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: as you know, is there something else I can help

938
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 3: with what happened as a public serpent or aspect for.

939
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna let you guys go, but I have

940
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: one more question for the Why was Anderson Cooper like

941
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 2: in the hurricane came the most shocking thing I saw.

942
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: So I'm like, what is he doing down there? Like

943
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: you you Ranison? Cooper loves it so loud, So he

944
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: gets like smashed by some like weird like siding. I'm like, Anderson, like,

945
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: you've put in your time, you don't have to go

946
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: down into the hurricane. Does not have to do it.

947
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: That ships so funny.

948
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: The black T shirts.

949
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 2: He's got to show off the guns, I know, but

950
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: I remember turning on the TV to look at it,

951
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like, wait a minute, Anderson like, obviously you

952
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: called your number on this assignment. No one's telling you

953
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: to go there. Well, I appreciate you, guys. It's been

954
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: so much fun. When I am in Washington, I definitely

955
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: would love to come down and see that. I mean, no,

956
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 2: but I'm on the East coast, you know. I'm on

957
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: the East coast a bunch, you know, And I mean

958
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: I would love to just see the inner workings of it.

959
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: It's just so fun. I mean, I it would be

960
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: a blast. Now, all right, guys, I appreciate it. Thank you,

961
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: all right, we'll talk, thank you, thank you. Oh my god,

962
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: that's not enough time. That is not enough time, because

963
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: I know when I do these shows, I got it.

964
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: I want to get to the childhood. I want to

965
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: get into the thing, you know. I wanted to learn

966
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: where everyone's coming from, and that's what's fun about it,

967
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: you know, to sort of see where they But I

968
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: wanted to get into the whole news thing. Oh god,

969
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: there's so much I want to talk about. Anyway, maybe

970
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: next time I'd love to have Dan on again. She's great,

971
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: So it is Dave. Dave great, I always say that

972
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: after everything. Anyway, I'm gonna go to DC. I'm going

973
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: to do that. I think that'd be fun. It'd be

974
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: really fun. And you know what, you know what else,

975
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: I actually have a credit. I have an Airbnb credit.

976
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: How about that? So I can use my Airbnb credit

977
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: to say, somewhere in DC, so I can cut some cost.

978
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: All right, this is good, it's all coming together. It's

979
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: all coming together. I'm gonna go to DC. I'm gonna

980
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: use miles so I don't have to pay for that.

981
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: Then I'm gonna use my Airbnb credit, stay at some

982
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: probably like radical place, and then I'm just going to

983
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 2: stay at CNN all day and just eat there craft

984
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: service and whatever lunch they have and then leave, so

985
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: I essentially won't spend any money. Perfect, did it done?

986
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: All right? Thank you Dan and David. This was really awesome.

987
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't enough time, but hopefully I get to I

988
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: get to hang out with them again.

989
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: All right.

990
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 2: Oliver Hudson