WEBVTT - Lanterns S01E07 0:00:00.220 --> 0:00:05.970 Hello, X-Ray Vision listeners. This recap of Lanterns will include 0:00:06.110 --> 0:00:11.360 a discussion of suicidal ideation and people who struggle with it. 0:00:26.940 --> 0:00:30.360 Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion. And I'm Rosie Knight. 0:00:30.860 --> 0:00:34.059 And welcome back to X-Ray Vision, the podcast where we 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.120 dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.690 culture coming to you from our heart, where we're bringing 0:00:38.710 --> 0:00:39.910 you three episodes a week. 0:00:41.010 --> 0:00:47.559 Plus news! In today's episode, we are talking about lanterns. 0:00:47.740 --> 0:00:51.870 Can you believe it? Episode seven. Do we know how 0:00:51.909 --> 0:00:54.910 this season is going to end? Is there enough time, Jason? 0:00:55.210 --> 0:00:58.290 Nobody knows, but we're excited. It's a crazy episode. It's 0:00:58.350 --> 0:01:02.210 another emotional episode. So let's get into it. 0:01:04.830 --> 0:01:11.420 We open in the year 1975. Young Hal Jordan is 0:01:12.180 --> 0:01:16.700 in the school office getting yelled at by his baseball coach. 0:01:17.410 --> 0:01:20.150 He's in his little baseball uniform. He's still clutching the 0:01:20.190 --> 0:01:25.509 game ball. His dad, test pilot, Air Force test pilot, 0:01:25.550 --> 0:01:28.890 shows up and is like, what's going on? Hal, we learn, 0:01:28.910 --> 0:01:32.500 is in trouble because it was late in the game, 0:01:33.540 --> 0:01:38.060 his team winning, no men on base, and the coach 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.460 asked Hal, on the cusp of the no-hitter, to give 0:01:42.540 --> 0:01:45.970 up the ball to some reliever kid, whoever he was. 0:01:46.620 --> 0:01:48.160 And Hal was like, no, I'm not going to do 0:01:48.220 --> 0:01:50.660 it as I only have to strike out two more 0:01:50.700 --> 0:01:52.530 guys and I'm done. And I have a no hitter. 0:01:53.230 --> 0:01:56.390 He refused to do it. He ended up fighting, physically 0:01:56.510 --> 0:02:00.070 fighting with multiple members of the team. His dad hears 0:02:00.130 --> 0:02:03.090 this and is actually, is actually kind of impressed. You 0:02:03.110 --> 0:02:06.420 can tell. And the coach is like, listen, obviously this 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.160 is a hiccup, but we can sort this out. All 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.570 Hal has to do is apologize to the team. And then, 0:02:13.830 --> 0:02:16.049 of course, he's going to ride the bench for a 0:02:16.090 --> 0:02:19.270 few days. And then he'll be right back at it. 0:02:19.430 --> 0:02:22.169 And dad mulls this over for a second. And he's like, 0:02:22.190 --> 0:02:28.570 let me get this straight. No men on? Like, ninth inning? 0:02:29.470 --> 0:02:31.620 That was stupid. Why did you pull my son? And 0:02:32.500 --> 0:02:35.840 then dad and the baseball coach get in a physical fight. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:37.620 And we see where Hal gets it. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:42.500 We see where Hal gets it. Later, they're sitting at 0:02:42.540 --> 0:02:45.399 the hangar at the Air Force base, watching the jets 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:50.100 fly overhead. Hal is still holding onto the ball. Dad 0:02:50.300 --> 0:02:53.480 pulls a key on a chain off of his neck 0:02:54.580 --> 0:02:56.820 and holds it out to his son and says, are 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.820 you scared? And Hal says he's not. And so Hal 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:02.860 puts on the chain with the key on it. And 0:03:02.900 --> 0:03:06.459 dad tells him the story of his father, Hal's grandfather. 0:03:07.260 --> 0:03:09.649 and how excited he was to go to war. We 0:03:09.710 --> 0:03:12.770 assume this is World War II and that he was fearless, 0:03:12.910 --> 0:03:17.870 but you can be fearless or not. You don't always 0:03:17.889 --> 0:03:19.900 have control of the things that are going to happen 0:03:19.940 --> 0:03:23.760 to you. And so Hal's grandfather went off to war 0:03:23.820 --> 0:03:27.200 and he didn't come back and he gave Hal's dad 0:03:27.220 --> 0:03:30.920 a key to his safe. And the stuff in his 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.490 safe is like the things that he wanted to pass 0:03:33.570 --> 0:03:37.070 on to his son. And they are things that stayed 0:03:37.110 --> 0:03:42.690 between Hal's father and Hal's grandfather. And just like them, 0:03:44.290 --> 0:03:48.310 the things in Hal's father's safe that are for Hal 0:03:48.390 --> 0:03:51.630 will stay between them. What about mom, Hal says. She's 0:03:51.650 --> 0:03:52.350 not a part of this. 0:03:52.990 --> 0:03:56.500 I'm sorry, that's a red flag for me. Don't be 0:03:56.590 --> 0:03:57.690 keeping those secrets, bro. 0:03:57.810 --> 0:04:03.920 It's always us. I agree, but this is what's going 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:08.400 on in the Jordan family. And dad promises, though, that 0:04:08.420 --> 0:04:10.520 he's going to be around for a long time. This 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.480 is just a thing that the Jordan boys do. But, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:18.640 of course, Hal's dad passes away shortly thereafter in a 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:24.990 fiery crash. The comics tell us and Hal tells us, 0:04:25.089 --> 0:04:27.910 although we are to understand the truth later. 0:04:28.510 --> 0:04:29.270 Yeah. 0:04:30.630 --> 0:04:34.010 Before that happens, though, as they're sitting there on the tarmac. 0:04:34.610 --> 0:04:36.450 Dad is like, Hal, you can let go of the 0:04:36.490 --> 0:04:38.349 ball now. Just throw it as far as you can. 0:04:38.390 --> 0:04:41.050 Throw it away. So Hal lets it rip. He's got 0:04:41.070 --> 0:04:43.390 a great arm. And then later we do see the 0:04:43.430 --> 0:04:48.170 funeral that Hal and his mom are at. We go 0:04:48.210 --> 0:04:52.690 to 2026. Jon Stewart and the Halogram are standing over 0:04:52.750 --> 0:04:57.420 Hal's grave. And Jon is explaining to AI Hal. who 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.300 he is again and what's gone. You remember me, right? 0:05:00.380 --> 0:05:03.500 You know, like we met briefly when I wore the ring, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.880 when Hal was training me and I didn't know how 0:05:05.900 --> 0:05:09.490 to fly yet. You remember that? Halogram is very disappointed 0:05:09.510 --> 0:05:11.110 to see that he's been murdered. 0:05:11.470 --> 0:05:14.430 So you were right, by the way, you absolutely called that. 0:05:14.610 --> 0:05:17.500 I thought it was more like the cranky Hal back, 0:05:17.570 --> 0:05:20.620 but it's this Halogram who doesn't know anything about where 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.160 they're at because he hasn't been spoken to for so long. 0:05:23.180 --> 0:05:26.560 It's so much fun. I like this. I like this dynamic. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.400 It's fun to get to play with a different Hal 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:29.280 and Jon dynamic. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:35.300 And he doesn't know, you know, he's, he's obviously devastated 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:40.610 that Hal's been killed. He's angry. He's disappointed that Hal 0:05:40.670 --> 0:05:42.850 is no longer the Green Lantern. Jon Stewart's like, well, 0:05:42.870 --> 0:05:45.350 I'm not the Green Lantern either. It's like, why are 0:05:45.390 --> 0:05:47.950 you wearing the ring? It's like, that's a long story. 0:05:47.970 --> 0:05:50.610 We'll get to that. What do you want? I just 0:05:50.650 --> 0:05:53.690 want to solve his murder, Jon Stewart tells him. And 0:05:53.790 --> 0:05:54.430 he tells Hal. 0:05:56.580 --> 0:06:00.640 I need help with Hal's vault. He has this safe 0:06:00.779 --> 0:06:05.840 that I need to open. And Halagram is immediately suspicious. 0:06:07.940 --> 0:06:10.430 He changed the subject. Tell me about the funeral. Jon 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.910 Stewart's like, oh, it was fucking, it was a big deal. 0:06:13.650 --> 0:06:14.010 Really? 0:06:14.390 --> 0:06:16.590 Oh, that's great to hear. It was a big deal? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:06:16.610 --> 0:06:19.489 The whole core was there. All the luminaries from across 0:06:19.510 --> 0:06:23.880 the galaxy. Yeah. All the top mucky mucks in the U.S. government, 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.320 the squirrel guy. Was Mogo there? Yeah, Mogo was even there. 0:06:27.740 --> 0:06:30.320 Mogo is a planet. So now Hal knows that Jon 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:36.229 Stewart is lying to him. Oh. And he disappears. Put 0:06:36.270 --> 0:06:38.030 him back in the ring. Get back in the ring. 0:06:38.750 --> 0:06:42.930 Jon Stewart gets in his car. He calls Aaron and 0:06:42.970 --> 0:06:46.650 is like, I need that $ 300, 000 because of, you know, 0:06:46.690 --> 0:06:48.930 he doesn't say, but because he's being blackmailed by Maggie. 0:06:50.690 --> 0:06:53.790 Marcus is on there also as like a conference call. Crazy. 0:06:55.510 --> 0:06:56.730 That was kind of weird, right? 0:06:57.029 --> 0:06:57.310 I know. 0:06:57.430 --> 0:06:57.710 Okay. 0:06:57.810 --> 0:07:01.290 You know what I think it is, is like maybe old, 0:07:01.390 --> 0:07:04.330 you know, remember in like Mean Girls, there's a trick 0:07:04.390 --> 0:07:06.810 American girls would do when they had three phones where 0:07:06.870 --> 0:07:09.350 one would be like waiting. I wonder if they had 0:07:09.390 --> 0:07:11.620 somehow already had him on the call. That was a 0:07:11.630 --> 0:07:13.600 bit confusing, but you know what? Who knows what's going 0:07:13.630 --> 0:07:15.600 on with Jon Stewart's phone plan or the way that 0:07:15.620 --> 0:07:17.850 his family talked to each other. None of us understand it. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:23.270 The phone issue is very confusing. Anyway. So, you know, 0:07:23.430 --> 0:07:26.930 Marcus gets on there as well. And Jon Stewart has 0:07:26.970 --> 0:07:29.450 to explain to everybody what's going on. He's like, listen, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.360 I'm being blackmailed flat out. Like, I need to pay 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:40.400 a blackmail payment because Hal Jordan's been killed and they 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.220 might think I did it or whatever. Aaron says he'll 0:07:43.340 --> 0:07:46.360 think about wiring the payment and hangs up. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.580 Doesn't he pay for everything in Aaron's life? That's what 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:50.120 I want to know. 0:07:50.140 --> 0:07:51.870 It's not even your money, Aaron. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.170 Send the $ 300, 000, bruv. 0:07:53.450 --> 0:07:58.290 Send it. John arrives at the vault at the Fortress 0:07:58.330 --> 0:08:04.240 of Storage and conjures Halligram, shows him the keychain with 0:08:04.260 --> 0:08:07.710 the bird on it and is like, listen. Hal knew 0:08:07.770 --> 0:08:09.930 that birds were my thing. This is a message to 0:08:10.010 --> 0:08:12.630 me that this is important, that I have to open this. 0:08:13.190 --> 0:08:16.239 And of course, understanding what we understand from the cold open, 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.080 this is very meaningful to Hal. Hal would feel that, 0:08:20.890 --> 0:08:26.190 you know, this vault... Jordan's leaving a safe for somebody 0:08:26.350 --> 0:08:29.690 else is a very, very intimate. Yeah, it's a very 0:08:29.730 --> 0:08:32.890 intimate thing. And it wouldn't he has to make sure 0:08:32.929 --> 0:08:36.990 that it's really for John, because if it's not, that's 0:08:37.050 --> 0:08:40.650 a real violation of everything kind of Hal knows about. 0:08:41.170 --> 0:08:41.410 So. 0:08:42.850 --> 0:08:48.630 Hal is clearly suspicious. He interrogates John Stewart. Who's Mark Allen? 0:08:49.070 --> 0:08:49.469 Who's he? 0:08:49.780 --> 0:08:51.110 Oh, so you want him back. 0:08:50.970 --> 0:08:55.530 In the ring. Immediately, very interesting. And we were, we 0:08:55.550 --> 0:08:58.730 should note, we were kind of right so far about 0:08:58.790 --> 0:09:04.390 Jon Stewart's abilities affecting AI Hal, making him more real, 0:09:04.809 --> 0:09:05.890 more corporeal. 0:09:06.530 --> 0:09:10.670 More able to stay out of the ring, it seems. 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:15.240 A persistent consciousness outside of the power of the ring. 0:09:15.620 --> 0:09:18.179 Because how would he have heard that from inside the ring? 0:09:18.780 --> 0:09:22.420 So apparently he makes this statement about how he wasn't 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.520 put away all the way and that if John is 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.630 thinking about him, he's still around. Very interesting. 0:09:28.309 --> 0:09:31.810 Okay, that also kind of implies that there's some potential 0:09:32.150 --> 0:09:36.370 for a sort of Firestorm-esque Hal in John's body at 0:09:36.429 --> 0:09:38.940 some point. Like this idea that Hal is kind of 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.500 John's interior voice. 0:09:41.900 --> 0:09:46.040 I will just point out that it's possible that Hal... 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:51.860 in real life, how Jordan understood this. And John did 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.670 wear the ring several times. He wore the ring during training. 0:09:54.690 --> 0:09:58.670 He wore the ring when he conjured the boring machine. 0:09:58.830 --> 0:09:59.790 The drilling machine. 0:10:00.330 --> 0:10:03.550 The little bird, Hal was always shocked by how long 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.900 it stayed alive. So he probably had this same consideration 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.660 about the AI. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.679 He then went to talk to Sinestro several times. What 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.410 I'm saying is in real life, Hal might have... understood, 0:10:20.500 --> 0:10:24.520 perhaps even more than Jon, what Jon's effect on the 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:33.849 ring and its lifelike manifestations were capable of. And we'll 0:10:33.870 --> 0:10:36.170 just leave that there because it's, you know, again, Jon 0:10:36.309 --> 0:10:38.990 wore the ring several times and then Hallegram was conjured. 0:10:39.730 --> 0:10:42.589 And now he's kind of staying, it seems, or a 0:10:42.630 --> 0:10:45.840 little bit more cheeky and sentient than you would expect. 0:10:46.250 --> 0:10:47.980 So it might have been that there was a previous 0:10:48.030 --> 0:10:50.520 version of Halogram, the one, the century version of Hal 0:10:50.540 --> 0:10:53.319 that Hal had in real life, Hal had flying around 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.520 the town that was, I don't know, more lifelike, much 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.059 more alive because Jon Stewart wore the ring at one point. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.599 And could they have switched places? We don't know. That's 0:11:02.780 --> 0:11:03.340 for later. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:04.380 We don't know. 0:11:04.540 --> 0:11:07.420 Let's move on. Jon Stewart does his best to convince 0:11:07.450 --> 0:11:10.770 AI Hal that he really, really, really wants to solve 0:11:10.830 --> 0:11:13.350 Hal's murder and that's it. Halogram is like, well, what 0:11:13.390 --> 0:11:15.050 if you killed me? And it's a fair question. 0:11:15.070 --> 0:11:15.930 Mm-hmm. 0:11:16.710 --> 0:11:19.449 He's like, there must be a law enforcement person in 0:11:19.510 --> 0:11:23.189 town who's investigating the murder. I want to talk to them. 0:11:23.730 --> 0:11:26.050 Babe, she's the most likely to have killed you, actually. 0:11:26.070 --> 0:11:28.709 So let's keep that off the- Let's get into that 0:11:28.750 --> 0:11:31.490 in a bit. Jon Stewart says, no, no, no, no way. 0:11:31.590 --> 0:11:35.770 Here's the issue. You and the sheriff had a romance 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.280 and you kind of really fucked up the town a lot. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.300 You fucked up her life. It would be very traumatic 0:11:44.380 --> 0:11:48.420 for her to see you again as not yourself, as 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.950 like an AI version of you. That would be like really, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.610 really crazy. Also, Hal was in jail for a number 0:11:55.650 --> 0:11:59.990 of years because of how fucked up his last mission 0:12:00.130 --> 0:12:01.730 in this town was. Like, I don't want to go 0:12:01.750 --> 0:12:03.550 into that. And it's a whole can of worms. You 0:12:03.570 --> 0:12:06.410 don't want to do that. Hal was shocked to learn 0:12:06.450 --> 0:12:08.010 that he was in love with somebody. 0:12:08.550 --> 0:12:11.430 Yeah, and then he went to jail. Both were equally shocking. 0:12:11.910 --> 0:12:13.750 Yeah, he's like, wait a second. I was in love? 0:12:13.809 --> 0:12:19.990 He's like, yeah, basically. He's like, I don't open this 0:12:20.130 --> 0:12:23.990 vault until I talk to the sheriff, period. And he disappears. 0:12:25.510 --> 0:12:29.319 Next day, John Stewart's driving into town. His mom's calling. 0:12:30.270 --> 0:12:33.460 But before he can answer, Halligram shows up and is like, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.860 who's Bernadette? Is that your wife? John Stewart takes the 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.830 ring off. to make him disappear, but he doesn't disappear. 0:12:39.950 --> 0:12:45.790 And AI Hal is like high key amazed. He's like, Whoa, 0:12:46.270 --> 0:12:51.400 holy shit. This is incredible. I'm still here. You don't 0:12:51.420 --> 0:12:53.800 have the ring on. How are you doing this? This 0:12:53.860 --> 0:12:56.800 is incredible. Like, Hey, I could never do this. I 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.800 didn't have, I was very powerful, but I didn't have 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.949 the ability to do this. This is wild. Congratulations. That's 0:13:03.990 --> 0:13:06.630 a big deal. And John is like, man, this is crazy. 0:13:06.690 --> 0:13:09.170 Like real life Hal never complimented me before. And you're 0:13:09.190 --> 0:13:12.810 being so effusive. This is a different Hal Jordan. A 0:13:13.290 --> 0:13:21.050 less cynical, you know, a less road beaten Hal Jordan. 0:13:23.530 --> 0:13:25.650 They arrive at the sheriff's station. There's a note on 0:13:25.670 --> 0:13:28.390 the door saying that the sheriff is at the hat 0:13:28.450 --> 0:13:31.710 ceremony for, you know, Noah's on the football team. It's 0:13:31.730 --> 0:13:35.160 a big deal. She's there. Hal is like, what's that? 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.490 Sees the Green Lantern signal and goes over there. And, 0:13:37.500 --> 0:13:39.560 of course, the memorial is over there with all the 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.280 names of all the people who perished during the Manhunter incident. 0:13:43.300 --> 0:13:46.929 And Jon Stewart is like, listen, there's a Manhunter down here. 0:13:47.809 --> 0:13:53.770 And Hal and I, you know, kind of had to 0:13:53.809 --> 0:13:57.040 take it down. AI Hal is like, wait a second. 0:13:57.059 --> 0:13:58.600 They're all extinct. He's like, no, there was one left. 0:13:59.390 --> 0:14:01.429 And when we were down here taking it down, a 0:14:01.710 --> 0:14:04.050 lot went wrong and a lot of people died and 0:14:04.070 --> 0:14:08.730 it was a big deal. Hal is like, oh, I 0:14:08.750 --> 0:14:11.949 get it. You were in love with the Manhunter, weren't you? 0:14:12.110 --> 0:14:16.329 That's how they work. These Manhunters, they, they get into, 0:14:16.390 --> 0:14:19.450 they get involved with you and you fall in love 0:14:19.510 --> 0:14:22.570 with them and they seduce you. And then Hal as 0:14:23.290 --> 0:14:25.860 you know, under his authority as a green lantern and 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.050 a peace officer. Took down this Manhunter and now you're 0:14:29.090 --> 0:14:32.220 mad at him and that's why you killed Hal, isn't it? 0:14:33.250 --> 0:14:37.140 And that's why you hate him. And he's like, no, 0:14:37.150 --> 0:14:38.170 that's not what happened. 0:14:38.490 --> 0:14:39.390 John's like, nah. 0:14:39.410 --> 0:14:42.840 Yeah, yeah. Hal says, now listen, you may think that 0:14:42.900 --> 0:14:45.620 Hal killed this Manhunter, but you don't know Hal Jordan. 0:14:46.210 --> 0:14:49.810 We don't kill. That's not what we do. He would 0:14:49.870 --> 0:14:53.530 never kill. So now I got to tell you, Rosie, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:59.040 I'm thinking that that whole killing Zoe thing is some 0:14:59.180 --> 0:15:02.720 sort of ruse by Hal to protect the real man, Hunter, 0:15:03.060 --> 0:15:06.960 who you put your finger on it. Is it fucking Carrie? 0:15:07.910 --> 0:15:10.510 Is it Carrie or is it Noah? I think the 0:15:10.570 --> 0:15:14.750 Manhunter might be Noah now and Carrie is doing everything 0:15:14.810 --> 0:15:17.510 she is to protect him. And because he loves Carrie, 0:15:17.590 --> 0:15:18.690 he's doing that too. 0:15:18.910 --> 0:15:19.650 Here's the thing though. 0:15:19.670 --> 0:15:20.530 That's like my thing. 0:15:20.750 --> 0:15:26.630 Carrie is the one who did seduce somebody. Hal Jordan 0:15:26.670 --> 0:15:30.940 did fall in love with her. Carrie did be seducing. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.980 And every time you look at things that have happened, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:39.310 when Hal and John were... taken captive by Will Macon, 0:15:39.370 --> 0:15:43.430 and Will Macon was making John sketch his nuts, his testicles. 0:15:43.450 --> 0:15:44.290 That was very strange. 0:15:44.450 --> 0:15:47.609 Sheriff Carey walked right in and snatched them out. When 0:15:47.710 --> 0:15:51.030 John was getting, you know, in the big fight with 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.740 Billy Macon, she arrested him and managed to squash that. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.700 When later... Billy Macon and John get into it at 0:15:58.740 --> 0:16:00.960 the hat ceremony. She's just like, go away, Billy. And 0:16:00.980 --> 0:16:03.060 then she, and Billy just goes away. 0:16:03.580 --> 0:16:07.140 I do think you're right. Cause actually as well, meta textually, 0:16:07.180 --> 0:16:11.240 it's a really interesting choice because the actress is most 0:16:11.300 --> 0:16:16.020 known for like grounded British police dramas. So this makes her, uh, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.930 expected fit for this so her actually playing the alien 0:16:20.990 --> 0:16:25.290 manhunter would be crazy also you know the only version 0:16:25.310 --> 0:16:28.190 of that story that we've heard is from her perspective 0:16:28.670 --> 0:16:31.590 so you're right we actually don't know what happened and 0:16:31.650 --> 0:16:34.850 also they said a manhunter would never welcome death but 0:16:34.910 --> 0:16:38.370 zoe welcomed death she did have a crystal heart obviously 0:16:38.410 --> 0:16:40.430 but that doesn't mean she was the only manhunter you 0:16:40.470 --> 0:16:43.650 know i'm very interested in where this goes because. 0:16:43.490 --> 0:16:50.520 It As one of our YouTube commenters have pointed out, 0:16:50.590 --> 0:16:55.690 MrAbdy111 on YouTube, subscribe to our YouTube page, X-Ray Vision Pod. 0:16:57.530 --> 0:17:01.890 Carrie had access to a 9mm gun, is a person 0:17:02.630 --> 0:17:07.280 who Hal would let walk right up to him. And 0:17:07.300 --> 0:17:10.080 obviously it's the motive to protect Noah. I don't know. 0:17:11.420 --> 0:17:13.040 I'm beginning to wonder about her. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.260 I do think she killed Hal. I think she killed Hal. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.430 I am on that ship. I agree with Abdi111. This is, 0:17:20.530 --> 0:17:22.770 to me, the most likely suspect. 0:17:23.369 --> 0:17:28.850 Okay, so they drive over to the hat ceremony. Jon 0:17:28.910 --> 0:17:32.109 Stewart is explaining in the car about Guy Gardner. So 0:17:32.150 --> 0:17:36.310 who's the Green Lantern? He's this guy, Guy Gardner. Ex-gym teacher. 0:17:36.410 --> 0:17:37.410 He has got a gold tooth. 0:17:38.190 --> 0:17:40.730 He sucks. The gold tooth should be illegal. 0:17:40.770 --> 0:17:44.310 The bowl cut should be illegal. Yeah. Jon Stewart does 0:17:44.390 --> 0:17:47.369 not clearly want to explain why he is not the 0:17:47.410 --> 0:17:50.869 current Green Lantern, which Hal, Halogram is very, very curious about. 0:17:50.910 --> 0:17:54.119 I also thought this was actually really cute because after 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:59.480 the Halogram incident where Hal compliments him, Jon doesn't really 0:17:59.500 --> 0:18:01.139 want to be like, well, I just chose not to 0:18:01.180 --> 0:18:02.420 be the Green Lantern because you suck. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.020 Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? 0:18:04.100 --> 0:18:06.520 There's this thing here where he's just kind of trying 0:18:06.540 --> 0:18:08.740 to avoid it because I think he's realizing there's a 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.899 version of Hal he never met who maybe would have 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:12.920 been a better mentor. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.500 I also think, and maybe this is reading too much 0:18:16.580 --> 0:18:21.310 into the personalities of both Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart, 0:18:21.450 --> 0:18:23.850 I think that there is a thing that happens to 0:18:23.890 --> 0:18:31.790 people who are raised in a very kind of like high-achieving, hard-driving, intense... 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:37.730 atmosphere where they crave that you know compliments and they 0:18:37.869 --> 0:18:43.220 crave the acceptance of an authority figure but when they 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.920 get it it's uncomfortable And so when John is hearing 0:18:46.940 --> 0:18:49.310 these compliments, I think he's, I think it means a 0:18:49.350 --> 0:18:52.770 lot to him, but he's also very put off. It's 0:18:52.830 --> 0:18:55.010 also very strange. Yeah. 0:18:55.350 --> 0:18:57.629 I think that that's really deep because there's also the 0:18:57.690 --> 0:18:59.900 other side of it, which is like, John doesn't really 0:18:59.960 --> 0:19:03.180 know how his parents feel about him and how probably 0:19:03.220 --> 0:19:05.360 feels that way too. So like, for John, it's that 0:19:05.380 --> 0:19:08.440 feeling of like, yeah, you're seeking, you know, people being 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.510 kind to you, people acknowledging you, people validating you. But 0:19:11.570 --> 0:19:12.910 then when they do it, you're like, wait. 0:19:12.990 --> 0:19:15.110 I don't know how to deal with this. Nobody ever 0:19:15.130 --> 0:19:15.810 did it before. 0:19:15.869 --> 0:19:17.290 Like, yeah, I love that. 0:19:17.450 --> 0:19:20.430 So, you know, as Hal is like, wait a second, 0:19:20.490 --> 0:19:23.550 like you're so powerful. How are you not the green lantern? 0:19:23.670 --> 0:19:25.750 John just like flees from the topic. 0:19:25.770 --> 0:19:27.530 He's like, no, he. 0:19:27.490 --> 0:19:31.360 Begins like focusing on music in order to basically make 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:32.739 Hal disappear. Hal disappears. 0:19:33.740 --> 0:19:36.859 Um, Again, showing how powerful John is because it really 0:19:36.940 --> 0:19:38.090 is about his will. 0:19:39.070 --> 0:19:43.290 So at the high school hat ceremony, Maggie just appears 0:19:43.290 --> 0:19:46.850 right at his truck window, his denial the window of 0:19:46.890 --> 0:19:52.040 his beautiful denali and is like motherfucker where my money 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.879 where is it three hundred thousand dollars you blew up 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:55.900 my town you got. 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.679 Me obsessed with expensive watches give me some money for 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.480 those expensive watches and if you don't have the money 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:01.300 right now give me. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.300 Your expensive watch give me your watch she makes john 0:20:04.340 --> 0:20:06.300 is like listen i'm getting the money wired to you 0:20:07.609 --> 0:20:09.510 He takes off his watch, which does look like a 0:20:09.570 --> 0:20:10.629 very nice watch. 0:20:11.250 --> 0:20:15.050 Yeah, I do have to say I like the watch 0:20:15.869 --> 0:20:19.420 theme going through because one, very timely. Lots of people 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.880 I know are obsessed with watches. But I think like 0:20:22.380 --> 0:20:24.639 the way that the watch was how John got his 0:20:24.660 --> 0:20:27.520 Green Lantern powers and then his first mission that failed 0:20:27.580 --> 0:20:30.520 so awfully, he gave a watch to this little girl 0:20:30.540 --> 0:20:33.050 and then she became obsessed with the watch. There's something 0:20:33.090 --> 0:20:35.530 very interesting in it. Also, a big part of me 0:20:35.570 --> 0:20:39.100 is like, why would he care to be blackmailed by her. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.180 She's not exactly like a reliable witness, blah, blah, blah. 0:20:43.420 --> 0:20:45.040 But I really think he just wants to give her 0:20:45.060 --> 0:20:47.100 the money because he feels guilty. That's why I think 0:20:47.140 --> 0:20:49.419 he's allowing himself to be blackmailed. 0:20:49.540 --> 0:20:53.690 And apparently that watch is some very fancy mucky muck 0:20:53.750 --> 0:20:57.830 watch that is worth, and I struggle to believe this 0:20:57.890 --> 0:21:03.379 is true, but watch people tell us that it's close 0:21:03.420 --> 0:21:06.750 to a million dollar watch. He just gave... Give me 0:21:06.770 --> 0:21:08.250 a million dollar watch! 0:21:08.630 --> 0:21:11.689 Big important question. Did John get that watch from the 0:21:11.730 --> 0:21:15.109 success of Stewart Brothers? Or can he just manifest the 0:21:15.130 --> 0:21:18.119 designer watch whenever he wants with the Green Lantern powers 0:21:18.130 --> 0:21:21.520 and it just stays around? Honestly, like he's just got 0:21:21.540 --> 0:21:26.260 hella Rolexes and like those like $ 10 million underwater watches. 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.359 That's actually very funny. I'm sure it was some kind 0:21:29.420 --> 0:21:32.840 of thing from a government contract or something. Yeah. So 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.920 he goes into the hat ceremony. You know, the football 0:21:35.980 --> 0:21:40.660 team is being lauded. Football here, huge deal. Everybody's cheering. 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.240 They're announcing the players. Of course, Kerry is there. Bill 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.090 Macon is there, you know, their son. Noah is the quarterback. 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.330 And so he gets a place of honor. He gets 0:21:50.590 --> 0:21:54.070 introduced last, takes the mic, gets to make a little speech. 0:21:54.130 --> 0:21:56.389 He tells the town that, like, listen, I'm focused on 0:21:56.410 --> 0:21:59.240 the championship. That's what I care about. I know everybody's 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:00.980 expecting me to make a decision about where I'm going 0:22:01.010 --> 0:22:05.169 to play college ball, but I want this town to heal. 0:22:05.190 --> 0:22:07.770 We've been through a lot over the last 10 years 0:22:07.890 --> 0:22:09.310 with the devastation of the town. 0:22:09.330 --> 0:22:10.450 He's a leader, cult leader. 0:22:10.670 --> 0:22:13.090 And I think what could heal this town is if 0:22:13.150 --> 0:22:16.189 we win the championship. So all I care about is 0:22:16.230 --> 0:22:20.270 the championship. I'm not looking past that. I know everybody 0:22:20.290 --> 0:22:23.000 was expecting me to make my decision today. I'm not 0:22:23.140 --> 0:22:25.220 thinking about that. I'll announce that later. I'm going to 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.180 focus on the game. Kerry is clearly a little bit disappointed. 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:30.879 The town may be a little disappointed too, but they're cheering. 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.690 I was going to say, the Noah-Kerry stuff is really interesting. 0:22:34.770 --> 0:22:37.770 And I do think, leans into your theory, that Kerry 0:22:37.810 --> 0:22:41.190 might be the one in charge. Because she seems disappointed. 0:22:41.310 --> 0:22:43.649 Like that was something he was supposed to say. I 0:22:43.710 --> 0:22:47.080 also want to say, guys... to the discord, to the Americans. 0:22:47.180 --> 0:22:50.740 I'm sorry for my cultural misunderstanding. I didn't think that 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.520 somebody yelling at Noah going, what school are you going 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.530 to pick was like supportive. But it is clear here 0:22:56.550 --> 0:22:59.690 that everybody in the town does support Noah and kind 0:22:59.730 --> 0:23:02.629 of worships him in a way that does lead to 0:23:02.650 --> 0:23:04.630 a little resentment, but not as much as I was 0:23:04.710 --> 0:23:08.910 originally reading. I get it. Americans celebrate successful kids differently. 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.800 But yeah, I thought this carry Noah stuff was really interesting. 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.580 Also makes me think, is Noah going to be an 0:23:15.660 --> 0:23:19.260 unexpected ally? Like, is this a destiny he didn't want 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.240 that's going to put him on a different path? 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.520 Billy sees Jon Stewart there and flips the fuck out. 0:23:40.020 --> 0:23:42.580 Carrie has to come over and breaks it up very easily. 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.570 Go away. I had to arrest him after you guys 0:23:46.609 --> 0:23:47.830 got in a fight and he kicked your ass. You 0:23:47.850 --> 0:23:49.290 want to get your ass kicked again? Get out of here. 0:23:50.350 --> 0:23:53.109 There is some awkwardness for sure. She shoos Billy away 0:23:53.150 --> 0:23:54.910 and Billy says, hey, I'll see you at the big 0:23:54.970 --> 0:24:00.290 party at your house later. And they're having a big 0:24:00.330 --> 0:24:03.550 party for Noah where it was supposed to be his 0:24:03.590 --> 0:24:05.360 announcement of his college thing. But now it's just going 0:24:05.380 --> 0:24:08.180 to be a get together. She doesn't have time for whatever. 0:24:08.220 --> 0:24:09.740 John's like, I need to talk to you. She's like, 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:11.340 I don't have time. There's that party at my house. 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:15.660 There's a hundred people there. It's a big deal. He's like, listen, 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.429 it's about how. She's like, meet me in the science 0:24:18.510 --> 0:24:23.609 lab in five minutes. On the way to the science lab, 0:24:23.950 --> 0:24:27.200 you know, he's walking over there before Carrie gets there 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:29.429 and he gets a call. from his bank and he 0:24:29.450 --> 0:24:32.490 needs to basically okay the $ 315, 000 wire. And he's like, okay, 0:24:33.170 --> 0:24:38.090 you need to confirm this wire. He's like, yes, it's 0:24:38.130 --> 0:24:40.570 for me. Confirm the amount. He confirms the amount. He's 0:24:40.590 --> 0:24:42.770 trying to do it quietly because Kerry's walking up behind him. 0:24:43.190 --> 0:24:45.149 And it seems really weird to be like $ 350, 000. They 0:24:45.190 --> 0:24:51.090 go to the science lab and he explains, he tries 0:24:51.130 --> 0:24:54.790 to explain, like, listen, the person you're about to meet 0:24:54.910 --> 0:24:56.989 is not who you think he is, but it's going 0:24:57.010 --> 0:25:01.850 to look and sound, Just like Hal. It's not Hal. 0:25:01.950 --> 0:25:07.160 It's an AI reconstruct of his consciousness. Okay. But it's 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.379 not him. And I understand this is going to be 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:14.300 very weird and confusing. But Hal, meanwhile, has already appeared 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.580 behind her. She turns, you know, with much trepidation and 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.060 sees Jordan. And it's, you know, the heartbreak, the distress. Yes. 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.609 is all over her face. Can this be real? It 0:25:25.650 --> 0:25:28.570 looks just like him, only a little over, obviously younger, 0:25:28.590 --> 0:25:32.170 you know, maybe 10, 15, maybe more, maybe 20 years 0:25:32.210 --> 0:25:36.670 younger at this point. And, and there's a long, long silence. 0:25:36.710 --> 0:25:40.159 She touches his face. She can feel him because, you know, 0:25:40.300 --> 0:25:43.419 the construct and also John Stewart making him more real. 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.300 John tries to explain like, no, that's a construct. Hal 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:49.570 takes over. It's like, don't, you're ruining the moment. Yeah. 0:25:49.590 --> 0:25:54.169 You're ruining the moment. He's like, um, You know, I'm 0:25:54.210 --> 0:25:56.950 not the Hal that you once knew, but I was Hal. 0:25:57.850 --> 0:26:02.479 And he asks her, were we close? And clearly they 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:05.639 were very close in love. And he's like, was I 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:09.240 open with you? And she says, we told each other everything. 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.270 And he says, did we talk about my father? And 0:26:12.350 --> 0:26:14.790 she nods. And he says, do we talk about how 0:26:14.830 --> 0:26:18.010 he died? And she nods. And she said, and then 0:26:18.070 --> 0:26:21.740 he asks, so who killed me? And she says, could 0:26:21.780 --> 0:26:23.620 have been anyone, the whole town hated you. 0:26:24.590 --> 0:26:26.070 Hate to hear it, but he has to hear it 0:26:26.150 --> 0:26:27.070 once every episode. 0:26:27.570 --> 0:26:32.690 And I gotta say, for someone who loved Hal so much, 0:26:32.750 --> 0:26:36.010 you'd think she'd be working 24 hours a day to 0:26:36.070 --> 0:26:37.250 figure out who killed him, right? 0:26:37.430 --> 0:26:38.210 She's not that bothered. 0:26:39.130 --> 0:26:41.090 She doesn't seem that curious. 0:26:41.890 --> 0:26:42.010 No. 0:26:42.790 --> 0:26:44.570 She's obviously heartbroken that he's gone. 0:26:44.590 --> 0:26:49.120 Throwing a lot of parties, which, honestly, I also respect. Like, 0:26:49.140 --> 0:26:51.300 I respect that a man dies and you throw a party, but, like, 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:52.020 calm down, babe. 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.580 She doesn't seem to be, like, burning the midnight oil 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:57.830 to figure out who killed him. She's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:26:57.850 --> 0:27:01.390 could have been anyone. Anyway, Hal says, well, what about him? 0:27:01.430 --> 0:27:04.350 What about Jon Stewart? Could he have killed me? And 0:27:05.810 --> 0:27:10.850 she's like, no. And she talks about how Hal, real 0:27:10.910 --> 0:27:14.389 life Hal, used to talk about Jon Stewart. He used 0:27:14.430 --> 0:27:17.750 to talk about Jon as like the football team that 0:27:17.770 --> 0:27:20.470 he loves and follows, but that always let him down. 0:27:20.690 --> 0:27:23.250 It was never getting to the level that he wanted to, 0:27:23.310 --> 0:27:27.840 but he watched it every Sunday. Because he never helped. Yeah. Well, yes. 0:27:28.580 --> 0:27:31.500 For maybe reasons that we don't understand, we'll fight. We'll 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:37.260 figure it out. And basically, she says, Hal was a 0:27:37.340 --> 0:27:42.080 huge fan of Jon Stewart, despite the fact that Hal 0:27:42.100 --> 0:27:48.940 never told that to John. He didn't express it. feeling 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:53.580 very awkward about this like it it it touches him 0:27:53.940 --> 0:27:56.480 but he doesn't know how to take it carrie learns 0:27:56.550 --> 0:27:58.629 that wait a second how did how did he get 0:27:58.650 --> 0:28:02.590 the ring john dug hal up and this is all 0:28:02.650 --> 0:28:06.230 about that vault john stewart is like yes it's about 0:28:06.270 --> 0:28:08.649 the vault let's go there now we gotta open. 0:28:08.390 --> 0:28:12.750 It again if somebody dug up my ex-boyfriend i would 0:28:12.770 --> 0:28:15.060 probably be a bit more pissed off Just saying. 0:28:15.380 --> 0:28:16.879 Just saying. Just saying. 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.540 Look, she doesn't seem that bothered. I'm on Jordan's side 0:28:19.580 --> 0:28:20.879 on this one. I don't care if you dig up 0:28:20.900 --> 0:28:23.720 Hal Stewart. You have a right to do it. Yeah. 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.360 But anyway, Hal is on our side anyway. He knows 0:28:26.380 --> 0:28:26.919 what's going on. 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:29.940 Carrie is like, OK, I can go to the vault, 0:28:29.980 --> 0:28:32.380 but I got to at least make an appearance at 0:28:32.420 --> 0:28:36.920 my son's hat, you know, ceremony party where there's going 0:28:36.940 --> 0:28:39.800 to be 100 people there. Back in the truck, Hal 0:28:40.700 --> 0:28:44.780 immediately to Jon Stewart is like, I think she killed me. Yeah. 0:28:45.260 --> 0:28:47.500 The way she touched my face, how emotional she was. 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:52.340 She didn't expect to see me. It was something loose. 0:28:52.380 --> 0:28:53.620 The gut check is saying she did it. 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.580 The gut check is she did it. Let's go to 0:28:55.620 --> 0:28:58.480 the vault right fucking now. They go to the vault 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:04.530 without Carrie. At the vault, Hal wonders what, you know, 0:29:04.550 --> 0:29:06.270 it's like, wait a second. What if I wasn't trying 0:29:06.290 --> 0:29:09.390 to keep someone out but keep something in too late now? 0:29:09.430 --> 0:29:12.350 Good question finally to ask, but you should have asked 0:29:12.430 --> 0:29:13.790 it like two episodes ago, babe. 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.920 Way too late now. The vault opens. Inside the vault, 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.580 it's not one of those pocket dimensions like we thought. 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.510 Or it is, but it's like to a different place. 0:29:23.700 --> 0:29:25.830 It's like a portal to a place. 0:29:26.170 --> 0:29:29.630 So there is a backpack inside of which is a canteen, 0:29:29.670 --> 0:29:32.830 a poncho, some protein bars, and a gun. There's also 0:29:32.970 --> 0:29:38.950 one of those blob Einstein-Rosenbridge portals. Hal explains how it works. 0:29:39.650 --> 0:29:42.970 Hal isn't sure if in real life Life Hal was 0:29:43.030 --> 0:29:45.040 the one using it. There's no way to know that, 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.460 but it goes to another place. He opens it up, 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.340 peeks in real quick and is like, yeah, that's another world. 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.940 But let's not do it here because the sheriff knows 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.030 about this place. Let's go to some other abandoned place 0:29:57.230 --> 0:29:58.850 and then do it. So they drive off to some 0:29:58.870 --> 0:30:01.969 like water, deserted water tower. They go inside, they set 0:30:02.010 --> 0:30:07.340 up the portal. Hal, Jon Stewart tells Hal to ask 0:30:07.380 --> 0:30:09.890 him if he's afraid. Hal asks him and he's like, 0:30:09.970 --> 0:30:11.870 fuck no. They go through and it's just like this. 0:30:11.950 --> 0:30:14.490 I just want to say, Jon Stewart, go to therapy. 0:30:14.610 --> 0:30:15.300 I love you. 0:30:15.710 --> 0:30:18.740 But the fact you needed an adult man, everyone in 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.600 this show, the fact you needed. 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.580 An adult man to ask you that before you could 0:30:22.620 --> 0:30:25.020 do it, like it was like a ritual is like 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.000 so fucked up. But I love it. I love these 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:29.590 two together in this scene. Also as well, I'm not 0:30:29.610 --> 0:30:33.990 going to lie. I'm loving the nice Hal. I'm loving Halogram. 0:30:34.070 --> 0:30:36.250 I do. I know I'm always suspicious of a Hal 0:30:36.630 --> 0:30:38.750 and I'm not. for the most part in this case, 0:30:39.130 --> 0:30:42.410 but when he was like, oh, let's take the portal 0:30:42.610 --> 0:30:45.090 and go somewhere else so no one knows where we're 0:30:45.190 --> 0:30:47.850 using it, I was slightly like, okay, that's kind of 0:30:47.870 --> 0:30:51.950 giving red flag. It made me worry for Jon. Jon 0:30:52.010 --> 0:30:54.390 is in a situation where he has to trust Hallegram 0:30:54.410 --> 0:30:57.410 because there's no one else to trust, but it's still 0:30:57.490 --> 0:31:00.250 not the safest situation for Jon to be in, I 0:31:00.310 --> 0:31:00.670 don't think. 0:31:00.690 --> 0:31:06.200 For sure. So they go through and it's this absolutely wasted, deserted, 0:31:06.300 --> 0:31:12.120 destroyed planet, a yellow desert sands, eerie kind of gas, uh, 0:31:12.220 --> 0:31:16.580 low smoke that clean to the, to the ground and 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.220 up above is like a destroyed city in the sky 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:23.440 that like almost hangs upside down. John feels like he's 0:31:23.500 --> 0:31:28.340 been there before. And Hal is like, that's weird. Have you, 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.000 you know, how has Hal been there here before? He's like, 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:32.600 I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I've been a lot 0:31:32.620 --> 0:31:35.680 of places. I don't know. It's weird and echoey. John 0:31:37.180 --> 0:31:39.620 looks out in the distance. He spots like a lake, 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.780 a huge lake. And there's an island with some kind 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:47.270 of flashing light in the middle of it. And there's 0:31:47.290 --> 0:31:49.250 that city in the sky that we mentioned. 0:31:49.270 --> 0:31:50.890 It's kind of banging upside down. 0:31:51.170 --> 0:31:53.310 John can't fly up there. So Hal is like, okay, 0:31:53.350 --> 0:31:58.840 just construct me up there. He does. John, meanwhile, while 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.770 Hal is up there looking around, you know, finds skeletons 0:32:02.830 --> 0:32:05.050 in the sand. And it's clear that everybody who was 0:32:05.090 --> 0:32:07.270 on this planet or lived in that city, they died. 0:32:07.510 --> 0:32:11.890 They died down here. Hal comes back and it's like 0:32:11.910 --> 0:32:14.250 that city's evacuated. There's no one there. He's like, yeah, 0:32:14.270 --> 0:32:16.390 because all the dead bodies are down here. And so 0:32:16.430 --> 0:32:18.930 John tells Hal about Anton. He's like, this is why 0:32:18.970 --> 0:32:21.230 I feel like I've been here. I met this alien 0:32:21.340 --> 0:32:26.880 named Anton. And Anton showed me The experience of his 0:32:27.220 --> 0:32:30.530 planet getting wiped out by the Manhunter. And this is 0:32:30.610 --> 0:32:37.840 that planet. And apparently they deployed, the Manhunter deployed some 0:32:37.900 --> 0:32:42.820 sort of gas that made the entire population murderous and 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.540 kill each other and also kill themselves. Yeah, like a 0:32:45.580 --> 0:32:47.970 rage virus, basically. So they killed each other and they 0:32:48.010 --> 0:32:51.110 killed themselves. Yes. And, you know, the question is, what 0:32:51.130 --> 0:32:54.090 was real life Hal doing here? Jon Stewart says, let's 0:32:54.150 --> 0:32:56.570 go over towards that island in the lake. Let's go 0:32:56.630 --> 0:32:58.720 over towards that boat. That's probably where Hal is going. 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:01.340 By the time they get on the lake and they're 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:06.460 in a boat crossing the lake, it's nighttime. Hal is 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:10.180 interrogating Jon Stewart about what's going on. Jon Stewart explains that, 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:13.360 you know, why did you go back to Rushville? 0:33:13.380 --> 0:33:16.400 Yeah, why the fuck are you here anyway? Your whole 0:33:16.460 --> 0:33:18.850 life is great outside of this. You're like a millionaire, 0:33:19.150 --> 0:33:21.150 military contractor, an architect. 0:33:22.090 --> 0:33:27.010 And Jon is like, well, my mom called and said, 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.360 Hal Jordan called her and said he wanted to apologize. 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.480 So that's why I went there. But then Hal didn't 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.780 know anything about that and started to fucking give me 0:33:37.900 --> 0:33:42.100 shit about a million different things. And so I punched 0:33:42.140 --> 0:33:44.120 him in the face. And I have good reason to 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.320 punch him in the face because of this, that, and 0:33:46.340 --> 0:33:48.120 the other. He got me kicked out of the Marines. 0:33:48.420 --> 0:33:50.400 He is the reason I'm not the Green Lantern. 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.440 That was... An implication that he was maybe fucking your mom. Like, 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.120 I'm sorry, that was definitely there. Like, the dad doesn't 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.960 live there anymore. They've been friends for 10 years, writing 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.860 to each other. The notion that the mom would be 0:34:02.900 --> 0:34:06.540 the one who would let you know that Hal wants 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.120 to apologize. And then Hal, the first thing he's doing 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.620 being asking how your mom is. Like, he was playing 0:34:11.700 --> 0:34:14.040 on it, even if it wasn't happening. Jon Stewart was 0:34:14.100 --> 0:34:14.819 right to punch him. 0:34:14.820 --> 0:34:20.430 100%. Hal apologizes for in real life, Hal. He's like, man, 0:34:20.469 --> 0:34:22.549 I'm sorry for all that stuff that in real life 0:34:22.570 --> 0:34:26.110 Hal did. But Jon Stewart doesn't want that from Hallegram. 0:34:26.130 --> 0:34:28.210 He wants it from in real life Hal, but in 0:34:28.250 --> 0:34:29.910 real life Hal is dead. So he's not going to 0:34:29.950 --> 0:34:33.150 get that. He's very frustrated. Jon is like, enough of 0:34:33.170 --> 0:34:37.410 this conversation. He manages to dispel Hal, again, by singing, 0:34:37.510 --> 0:34:42.330 focusing on music. Now it's raining. Downpour. Jon Stewart clearly 0:34:42.370 --> 0:34:45.259 should have brought the poncho, as Hallegram had said. He 0:34:45.300 --> 0:34:47.980 continues to row, but now he looks down, there's apples 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.050 in the water. Lots of apples. 0:34:50.090 --> 0:34:52.510 Welcome to Derry moment, sir. 0:34:52.910 --> 0:34:55.130 His dad appears in the boat with the apple on 0:34:55.170 --> 0:34:56.910 his head and is like, are you scared? Shoot me. 0:34:57.250 --> 0:34:59.839 And then it's him. It's himself as a child with 0:34:59.860 --> 0:35:02.739 the apple on his head, accusing him of being too 0:35:02.820 --> 0:35:08.580 scared to be a lantern. he's John Stewart has the 0:35:08.620 --> 0:35:12.060 gun out. He's going to shoot this apparition, but then 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.370 he's knocked overboard, overboard into the water and pulled back 0:35:15.410 --> 0:35:20.090 into the boat by hologram. Hologram is like, you had 0:35:20.170 --> 0:35:21.990 the gun to your head and you were going to shoot, 0:35:22.050 --> 0:35:23.490 I think. And you were screaming at things. 0:35:23.969 --> 0:35:26.790 I want to touch on this. So we see that 0:35:26.810 --> 0:35:30.379 the planet is yellow. They talk about this gas. But 0:35:30.390 --> 0:35:33.900 I also just wonder if this is where the yellow, 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.790 the fear of yellow, the color yellow, like we know... 0:35:38.350 --> 0:35:40.549 that that is connected to the Yellow Lantern, connected to 0:35:40.590 --> 0:35:44.160 Sinestro potentially. I like the way that they visualize it 0:35:44.219 --> 0:35:46.900 here as if you're in kind of like a Pennywise-esque 0:35:46.940 --> 0:35:50.520 hallucination where they're playing on your greatest fears and your 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.180 unresolved traumas. I thought this was a really cool way 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:58.670 that we haven't really seen represented. And it's also been 0:35:58.969 --> 0:36:02.870 built up really well in the show because of how 0:36:02.910 --> 0:36:06.630 much we've talked about how that treatment impacted him or 0:36:06.650 --> 0:36:07.690 didn't impact him, right? 0:36:07.710 --> 0:36:07.790 Yeah. 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.029 And also we get more detective Jon Stewart here as 0:36:11.070 --> 0:36:13.149 he starts to kind of put together that clearly things 0:36:13.190 --> 0:36:16.070 are not good in the vault, in Antan's portal. 0:36:16.530 --> 0:36:24.070 Yes. So Jon Stewart figures out that in and around 0:36:24.150 --> 0:36:27.670 this lake, that murder gas is still active. It's in 0:36:27.710 --> 0:36:29.980 the water. It's in the rain that's falling on them. 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.100 It's in the clouds. Hal is like, man, I told 0:36:33.140 --> 0:36:34.839 you the poncho, you should have worn it. They row 0:36:34.980 --> 0:36:38.730 out towards the island. They get there and, um, As 0:36:38.750 --> 0:36:40.790 they're pulling up to the island, Hal explains that, listen, 0:36:41.150 --> 0:36:43.450 my dad, the story is my dad died in a 0:36:43.510 --> 0:36:46.910 fiery plane crash, test pilot, heroic pilot, this, that, and 0:36:46.930 --> 0:36:50.550 the other. Actually, he killed himself. And a couple of 0:36:50.610 --> 0:36:53.390 months before he did that, he gave me the key 0:36:53.430 --> 0:36:56.870 to his safe. And in the, you know, there's cash, coins, 0:36:56.910 --> 0:36:59.230 some old photos. There was a note in there about 0:36:59.510 --> 0:37:03.069 why he did it. And it was, you know, this 0:37:03.110 --> 0:37:06.390 kind of typical, very sad story. thing where a person 0:37:06.450 --> 0:37:09.270 feels like their family would be better off without them. 0:37:09.350 --> 0:37:11.370 And it would be better if they were gone. 0:37:11.670 --> 0:37:14.290 What we always say in like mental health circles, as 0:37:14.310 --> 0:37:16.469 someone who suffers with like a lot of different mental 0:37:16.489 --> 0:37:18.930 health stuff and whose family all did is like, the 0:37:18.989 --> 0:37:22.000 one thing you've got to remember is depression is a liar, right? 0:37:22.100 --> 0:37:25.320 And this is the classic lie. It tells you everyone 0:37:25.340 --> 0:37:29.259 would be bad. Everything. is happier without you you know 0:37:29.540 --> 0:37:33.280 I have to say I found this entire reveal about 0:37:33.969 --> 0:37:39.489 about Hal and his family incredibly well done because it 0:37:39.550 --> 0:37:42.170 explains so much about who he is Hal Jordan reminds 0:37:42.210 --> 0:37:44.010 me of my dad maybe that's why I don't like 0:37:44.050 --> 0:37:46.180 him he's a lot older than my dad but it 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:50.399 comes up the cockiness and the self-assuredness and the spikiness 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:54.960 comes from a place of great trauma Great insecurity. Great 0:37:55.020 --> 0:37:59.120 insecurity and fear of like, what about your worthiness? And also, 0:37:59.140 --> 0:38:01.970 I got to say, as somebody who has dealt with 0:38:02.030 --> 0:38:03.590 a lot of issues with my parents in my life, 0:38:04.050 --> 0:38:06.390 one of my biggest issues is like, did my parents 0:38:06.450 --> 0:38:08.370 like me? Did they love me? Did they reject me? 0:38:08.430 --> 0:38:08.690 Right. 0:38:09.110 --> 0:38:13.710 To have a parent who struggles with suicidal ideation and 0:38:13.810 --> 0:38:17.190 ultimately acts on it will always leave you feeling like 0:38:17.210 --> 0:38:17.870 you weren't enough. 0:38:18.170 --> 0:38:22.270 Yes. And there's it reframes Hal's fearlessness as well. 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:23.600 Completely. 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:28.000 Because the fearlessness in this context might just be he 0:38:28.060 --> 0:38:31.160 wants to die a little bit. And he's therefore not 0:38:31.219 --> 0:38:31.830 afraid of it. 0:38:32.340 --> 0:38:35.850 I think like when I was very depressed or stressed 0:38:35.910 --> 0:38:39.230 or whatever, you know, I would say stuff like, Well, yeah, 0:38:39.650 --> 0:38:41.790 I can do scary stuff because I don't really value 0:38:41.810 --> 0:38:43.529 my life very much. You know, that was like my 0:38:43.610 --> 0:38:46.110 cynical teenage way of looking at it and how Jordan 0:38:46.150 --> 0:38:48.230 has that. It's like the fearlessness comes from the fact 0:38:48.270 --> 0:38:49.910 that he doesn't value it and he thinks he's going 0:38:49.930 --> 0:38:51.070 to die at some point anyway. 0:38:51.150 --> 0:38:51.330 Yes. 0:38:51.530 --> 0:38:54.839 You know, and that is really fucking powerful here. 0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:01.239 So Hal then tells John that, you know, this is 0:39:01.300 --> 0:39:04.320 something that, and this does happen, this runs in families. 0:39:04.750 --> 0:39:08.870 He's like, this is called the Jordan boys legacy. My grandfather, 0:39:09.469 --> 0:39:12.489 this cover story is that he died in World War II, 0:39:12.530 --> 0:39:17.080 but actually like he also killed himself. And he says, like, 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.640 I'm not fearless because I'm fearless. I'm fearless because I'm broken. 0:39:20.100 --> 0:39:25.750 Hal wonders, therefore, this is all a means to basically 0:39:25.830 --> 0:39:31.680 stress to John that I wonder if Hal's note is 0:39:31.820 --> 0:39:35.060 somewhere connected to his vault. It wasn't in the vault, 0:39:35.540 --> 0:39:37.930 but is it supposed to lead us to his note? 0:39:39.110 --> 0:39:40.850 Like what if he did this himself? 0:39:41.050 --> 0:39:44.489 What if he did this himself or caused it to 0:39:44.570 --> 0:39:45.550 happen to himself? 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:47.820 And allowed it to happen and Kerry just kind of 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.160 like threw away the gun to kind of cover up. 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.759 Because also, look, we can't lie. There is still a 0:39:53.820 --> 0:39:58.310 stigma around suicidal ideation, around suicide and stuff. So there 0:39:58.370 --> 0:40:02.370 is also like his legacy in the grander world. His 0:40:02.410 --> 0:40:04.530 legacy as a Green Lantern, his legacy as a hero. 0:40:05.010 --> 0:40:07.709 You know, so I think that Hologram is being very 0:40:07.790 --> 0:40:10.569 honest here, suggesting that this could be a version. And 0:40:10.610 --> 0:40:14.100 it's not like some honorable, cool, and a villain took 0:40:14.140 --> 0:40:17.060 you down, right? There is an honesty here that I 0:40:17.100 --> 0:40:18.720 think is like so fucking real. 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:27.080 So, Jon Stewart apologizes for misunderstanding Hal. Nothing to apologize for. 0:40:27.140 --> 0:40:30.180 They arrive at the island. Jon Stewart realizes when he 0:40:30.219 --> 0:40:31.950 fell in the water, he lost the gun, so they 0:40:31.969 --> 0:40:33.529 don't have the gun. He does have the ring, the 0:40:33.570 --> 0:40:36.830 most powerful... weapon in the universe but there's like one 0:40:36.890 --> 0:40:37.810 percent charge. 0:40:37.590 --> 0:40:40.390 They've had it's been on like five percent since he 0:40:40.410 --> 0:40:43.660 dug up how so honestly the one percent charge it's 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.200 giving good battery charge also john we know you don't 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.020 need that lantern babe right because. 0:40:47.900 --> 0:40:50.740 John can just john can just keep. 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.710 The constructs we're seeing it the constructs are going in. 0:40:54.050 --> 0:40:56.090 But he's probably not going to be able to manifest 0:40:56.170 --> 0:40:59.620 any sort of weapon or or beam or anything Anyway, 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:01.839 they go in there and it's like this weird kind 0:41:01.890 --> 0:41:07.370 of like almost refinery tower with this kind of weird cauldron, 0:41:07.469 --> 0:41:10.390 lit kind of technological cauldron on the inside. 0:41:10.410 --> 0:41:13.910 Clearly some kind of evil lair is going on around here. 0:41:13.950 --> 0:41:14.810 There's an evil lair. 0:41:15.590 --> 0:41:19.259 As they walk in, someone grabs Halogram from behind, a 0:41:19.340 --> 0:41:21.899 hooded figure, and is like, give me your booger. I'll 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.779 kill this guy. And Jon Stewart's like, you know, like 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.219 you can kill him. I don't like him. I don't 0:41:27.260 --> 0:41:30.540 like him. I don't think it'll do anything. And Hal 0:41:30.580 --> 0:41:34.650 is like, that's our music, John, which is the signal 0:41:34.710 --> 0:41:39.009 to make him disappear by thinking about the music. So 0:41:39.530 --> 0:41:44.960 Hal disappears, and John throws a punch right at Hal's head. 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:48.700 As Hal disappears, it goes through, punches the person. He's 0:41:48.739 --> 0:41:50.020 knocked down. It's Sinestro! 0:41:50.060 --> 0:41:53.910 Whoa! Whoa! Okay, and I have to say, I was 0:41:53.969 --> 0:41:56.540 wrong in this case, guys. I will say, I think 0:41:56.580 --> 0:41:58.960 I do get a bit of credit because there is 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:00.859 a redemption here. I do feel like it is more 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.339 for Halogram, but it's still for Hal. There is this 0:42:03.460 --> 0:42:07.109 great moment where he looks at John and just completely 0:42:07.170 --> 0:42:10.270 sincerely says, great arm, kid. And it's what John has 0:42:10.310 --> 0:42:13.810 wanted to hear all his fucking life from his parents. 0:42:14.190 --> 0:42:17.149 And in that moment, you go back and you see 0:42:17.190 --> 0:42:20.430 him throw the ball as a kid. And I was 0:42:20.469 --> 0:42:25.219 just like, oh, okay, they got me. This how fucking 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:29.200 gets it. This how understands. And yeah, when he said 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.520 that to him, I was just like, wow. Yes, my 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.299 son punched Sinestro. I'm so proud of him. Thank you 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:35.480 for acknowledging his work. 0:42:35.900 --> 0:42:38.060 I think it's also... Let's take a break and then 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:54.750 we'll talk about this episode. Lots to talk about. And 0:42:54.770 --> 0:42:56.870 we're back. Okay, let's talk about this. So, you know, 0:42:56.910 --> 0:43:00.810 the thing that I immediately thought was this younger version... 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:05.920 of Hal is a lot more open. It's obviously like 0:43:06.020 --> 0:43:10.640 a different, it's made, it's an AI construct and AI constructs, 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:12.400 the last thing you wanna do is get into an 0:43:12.540 --> 0:43:13.219 argument with it. 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:15.560 So it is much more- We know that, we know that. 0:43:15.620 --> 0:43:19.160 It is much more pliant. It is much more willing 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.600 to go along with things that you say, although it 0:43:21.660 --> 0:43:25.540 is obviously he and John do have various arguments, but 0:43:25.580 --> 0:43:28.399 it's not the same as the real life person. It's 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.480 going to open up a lot more willingly. 0:43:30.860 --> 0:43:33.259 Especially if we think of LLMs and the way that 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:34.950 they're trained to work as we know them now. 0:43:35.489 --> 0:43:39.610 That said, I also got the feeling that when Hal 0:43:39.670 --> 0:43:43.930 turned this off, something had happened. And my feeling is, 0:43:45.590 --> 0:43:48.089 and I mean, this is there in the comics and 0:43:48.130 --> 0:43:52.430 it's ever since Jeff Johns kind of retconned Hal's backstory. 0:43:53.870 --> 0:43:56.710 Sinestra was his mentor. Sinestra was basically a father figure 0:43:56.750 --> 0:43:57.170 to Hal Jordan. 0:43:57.190 --> 0:44:00.180 Exactly, which they're playing into the dad stuff so much here. 0:44:00.750 --> 0:44:04.630 And whatever happened between them was a huge betrayal. Hal 0:44:04.670 --> 0:44:08.980 was left feeling unmoored by the reveal that Sinister was 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.920 not the person that he thought he was. And so 0:44:12.340 --> 0:44:15.919 this is a different pre-that version of Hal who's much 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:16.860 more willing to trust. 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.779 Something that I find very interesting also is the fact 0:44:22.140 --> 0:44:26.989 that the way that Jon creates constructs and the way 0:44:27.050 --> 0:44:30.850 that Hal knocked... the cover of his ring. I think 0:44:30.910 --> 0:44:35.200 that those two things coming together are allowing Hal to not, 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:40.799 or Halogram to not just be conscious or more physical, 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:44.660 more structurally physical. I actually think that it's giving him 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.660 more of an opinion, more of a consciousness. I don't 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.700 think that he was manipulating John when he said great arm. 0:44:50.980 --> 0:44:54.299 I think that was like him coming out. That's his humanness. 0:44:54.340 --> 0:44:57.339 That's the actual legacy of, the boys is like that 0:44:57.450 --> 0:45:00.420 memory of his father and I thought that was really 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:04.280 moving and I'm very interested to see where that goes 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.239 because also like I said at some points I was 0:45:06.260 --> 0:45:09.339 suspicious of hologram this episode but by the end they 0:45:09.380 --> 0:45:14.040 emotionally sold me on it Jason how does this work 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.160 for you as a penultimate episode of a season because 0:45:17.219 --> 0:45:20.540 it does feel like wait the finale unless it's two 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.360 hours long stranger things style they're not going to be 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:26.060 able to wrap everything up absolutely. 0:45:25.620 --> 0:45:30.980 They're Whatever's going on with Oa and the Guardians and Liana, 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:34.419 Laura Linney, we're definitely not going to get to that. 0:45:34.860 --> 0:45:39.680 And whatever is going on with— Season two, big budget. Right. 0:45:39.969 --> 0:45:44.040 You know, Laura Linney, a.k.a. Liana's relationship with John and 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.620 her heavy pressure on him, whatever that is, we're definitely 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.140 not going to get into that. I guess they will 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.100 crack the door open on that vis-a-vis Sinestro. 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:52.500 Yes. 0:45:52.540 --> 0:45:54.680 But we will not get we will only solve the 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:58.140 Hal Jordan piece, the Manhunter piece, I think. But I 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:01.020 got here. So that's what I think. 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:01.580 Yeah. 0:46:01.660 --> 0:46:06.080 However. I have a I want to run this by you. 0:46:06.340 --> 0:46:06.640 Tell me. 0:46:06.940 --> 0:46:10.710 Because I'm like, why are they on this planet? Thank you. 0:46:10.820 --> 0:46:15.739 Obviously Hal was investigating the connection between the Guardians and 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:17.900 the Manhunters and what the Manhunters were up to. I 0:46:17.940 --> 0:46:21.239 wonder this. I do wonder if Carrie is the Manhunter. 0:46:22.110 --> 0:46:24.750 And I keep thinking about the way Anton was like, 0:46:24.770 --> 0:46:32.310 when Anton was interrogating Will Macon, who is pretending to 0:46:32.350 --> 0:46:33.890 be the Manhunter, and it's like, how many kids do 0:46:33.910 --> 0:46:37.370 we have? We couldn't conceive. What if. 0:46:40.610 --> 0:46:45.319 What if it was the Guardians trying to kill the 0:46:45.380 --> 0:46:49.290 Manhunter that destroyed this planet? They dropped the gas. 0:46:49.300 --> 0:46:49.739 I believe that. 0:46:49.940 --> 0:46:52.609 They dropped the gas. They dropped the gas to genocide everybody. 0:46:52.630 --> 0:46:59.310 To terrify the planet. And in actuality, the Manhunter did conceive. 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:05.029 and has been trying to hid, because Noah's kind of old, 0:47:05.110 --> 0:47:07.670 like the ages don't match up. I was going to say, 0:47:07.710 --> 0:47:11.390 we don't, the whole like, who's the parent? Is Zoe Macon, 0:47:11.690 --> 0:47:14.609 Will Macon, Billy Macon's mom? Like all that stuff doesn't 0:47:14.630 --> 0:47:16.710 really make sense. So we're just kind of buying it. 0:47:17.190 --> 0:47:22.920 The Manhunter hid the child that conceived with Anton, escaped 0:47:22.980 --> 0:47:27.580 the planet, landed on earth and is trying to raise 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:33.580 this child in secrecy, protecting that child. That is the 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:37.620 most important thing. And that the secret of this planet 0:47:37.780 --> 0:47:40.160 is not that the Manhunter did it. It's that the 0:47:40.300 --> 0:47:42.930 Guardians genocided a whole planet. 0:47:43.310 --> 0:47:45.690 And that's why they're after the Manhunters who know. 0:47:46.010 --> 0:47:46.450 Yes. 0:47:46.730 --> 0:47:49.990 That's really smart, actually. And also there is a lot 0:47:50.030 --> 0:47:53.589 of going back and looking at the Anton stuff from 0:47:53.650 --> 0:47:58.009 this season. There is a lot of stuff where he's 0:47:58.050 --> 0:48:03.060 kind of just like, chopping and changing the histories and 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.660 talking about the Guardians in one way and then talking 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:09.469 about the enemy of my enemy is my friend and da-da-da-da-da. So, yeah, 0:48:09.530 --> 0:48:12.170 I definitely think The genocide is going to be a 0:48:12.190 --> 0:48:13.930 part of it. The gas is going to be a 0:48:13.950 --> 0:48:15.589 part of it. Sinestro is going to be a part 0:48:15.610 --> 0:48:17.850 of it. I mean, I would say my most simple 0:48:17.930 --> 0:48:20.950 theory for how they could explain this is simply going 0:48:20.969 --> 0:48:24.719 to be something about the color yellow and about Sinestro being, 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:26.739 it's going to be something like he'd been told all 0:48:26.780 --> 0:48:28.940 his life not to harness it. It's the color of fear. 0:48:29.020 --> 0:48:31.700 It's so dangerous. It will make you weak. And then 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:33.259 he was on a planet and he was able to 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.910 harness it and he realized it made him strong or 0:48:35.950 --> 0:48:38.149 something like that. I think it might be quite back 0:48:38.210 --> 0:48:41.730 to basics on the, yellow lantern of it. 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:45.660 All sinestro the greatest lantern of all time exactly. 0:48:45.060 --> 0:48:47.359 You know and then he's kind of trapped on this 0:48:47.420 --> 0:48:49.560 planet and he's gonna i think he's gonna have to 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:55.259 convince halogram and john stewart that obviously real hal put 0:48:55.300 --> 0:48:57.859 him there to protect him which we had guessed about 0:48:57.940 --> 0:49:01.120 abin sir but not about sinestro because we still don't 0:49:01.140 --> 0:49:04.129 know who broke out sinestro So there are these kind 0:49:04.170 --> 0:49:06.410 of questions. So I think that will maybe be the 0:49:06.450 --> 0:49:08.410 big thing. The big reveal could be we still have 0:49:08.469 --> 0:49:11.759 real Hal alive. I don't know, because we have talked 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:15.910 about potential other holograms or, you know, Manhunters who can 0:49:15.930 --> 0:49:19.160 change shape, stuff like that. I would also say J. 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:22.719 joelle put a great question in here which we've kind 0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.799 of alluded to this episode but let's break it down 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:28.340 a bit more did the ring lose power at the 0:49:28.380 --> 0:49:30.920 end of the episode and if it did can john 0:49:31.140 --> 0:49:34.800 keep hologram conscious without the ring i think he can 0:49:34.820 --> 0:49:37.169 at this point i think that's what the episode will 0:49:37.210 --> 0:49:39.009 be is him keeping him alive. 0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:41.299 I think he can because, listen, the ring has been 0:49:41.460 --> 0:49:45.509 on some very sub-5% charge, very low charge for a 0:49:46.350 --> 0:49:50.710 long time now. And Hal, Halogram, has been doing a 0:49:50.810 --> 0:49:54.500 lot of things, running around, walking around, having full-fledged conversations 0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:55.380 with multiple people. 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:56.020 Yeah. 0:49:57.219 --> 0:50:02.580 And is existing outside of and without needing the power 0:50:02.620 --> 0:50:07.540 of the ring to keep him alive. So. Yeah. I 0:50:07.580 --> 0:50:11.759 think that that, I think hologram is here to stay. Agreed. 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.620 regardless of whatever happens with the charge of the ring 0:50:15.660 --> 0:50:18.950 or whether Jon actually manages to do any Green Lantern stuff. 0:50:18.989 --> 0:50:21.230 That's an open question. Does he charge the ring at 0:50:21.290 --> 0:50:21.850 any point? 0:50:22.410 --> 0:50:24.529 I'm not going to lie, guys. I do think the 0:50:24.670 --> 0:50:26.730 one thing the finale does need, this has been a 0:50:26.810 --> 0:50:29.580 really fun show to cover. There's been crazy highs. It's 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.430 been like really interesting to see the discourse around it. 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.600 I will say, I think, not necessarily for me, and 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.140 I love weird Green Lantern shit, but definitely a recurring 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.750 theme I've seen in the Discord online. We've talked about 0:50:40.770 --> 0:50:44.009 the budgetary constraints, clearly. There hasn't been a lot of 0:50:44.090 --> 0:50:47.649 Green Lantern action. I think people would love to see 0:50:47.730 --> 0:50:49.970 a couple of Green Lanterns with the ring on making 0:50:49.989 --> 0:50:52.260 some constructs. I hope that they save a little bit 0:50:52.300 --> 0:50:56.600 of the budget for that in the finale. But I also, Jason... 0:50:56.820 --> 0:50:59.279 I don't know exactly the shape of it because I 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.410 don't think about how that much, as we all know. 0:51:01.810 --> 0:51:04.359 But I do think there is something interesting about the 0:51:04.460 --> 0:51:09.410 idea that Hal was never dead or Hal was pretending 0:51:09.430 --> 0:51:10.860 to be dead. And then there's going to have to 0:51:10.890 --> 0:51:13.620 be some kind of showdown between is this really Hal 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.400 or is it a Manhunter in Hal's shape and the hologram? 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:19.220 I feel like there's going to be some connections between 0:51:19.260 --> 0:51:22.820 Jon Stewart and Hal, real Hal that's going to like prove. 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.300 I feel like maybe even if it's just in this universe, 0:51:25.410 --> 0:51:27.290 I feel like we will get another Hal. I don't 0:51:27.310 --> 0:51:28.469 know if it's just hologram. 0:51:28.989 --> 0:51:32.690 Well, I think that there were potentially some very meaningful 0:51:32.790 --> 0:51:36.719 clues in this episode. When Hal Graham is so insistent 0:51:36.820 --> 0:51:40.839 that Hal Jordan would not kill. And we know that 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:44.060 Hal was the bait that led to, yes, he did 0:51:44.100 --> 0:51:47.120 not pull the trigger on the Manhunter, but still was 0:51:47.140 --> 0:51:49.320 part of it. He was part of the plan. Right? 0:51:50.030 --> 0:51:54.610 You then begin to wonder if Carrie is the Manhunter 0:51:54.830 --> 0:51:58.830 and had either seduced or had sincerely fallen in love 0:51:58.910 --> 0:52:00.810 with Hal and Hal had fallen in love with her. Is... 0:52:02.989 --> 0:52:08.080 Was he part of something to protect her and her 0:52:08.180 --> 0:52:10.990 child to draw attention again away from her? 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:14.320 I think you could be onto something. I think you 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:16.620 could be onto something. Cause think about this, right? Hal 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:20.480 went to prison for 10 years for some, like he 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.140 didn't go to the OR. He didn't go to the guardians. 0:52:23.180 --> 0:52:25.790 He didn't go to the government. He didn't call in Carol. 0:52:26.130 --> 0:52:27.790 He just went to jail for 10 years and took 0:52:27.830 --> 0:52:29.589 the fall. I don't think he would have done that 0:52:29.630 --> 0:52:31.750 just for Jon Stewart. You know what I mean? Like 0:52:31.810 --> 0:52:33.830 I like that he would have done it partially for him. 0:52:34.170 --> 0:52:37.460 And also think about this. We, there is still that 0:52:37.620 --> 0:52:40.600 chunk of time where we just don't really know that 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:43.000 Aside from, you know, the issues I have with the 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:46.040 way that he treated John, we don't know what happened 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:48.700 in that time. So I think that you are right. 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:54.009 And also, if, you know, there is another Manhunter or 0:52:54.030 --> 0:52:57.060 Manhunter technology, it does feel like it would be possible for, 0:52:59.310 --> 0:52:59.740 you know, how. 0:53:01.390 --> 0:53:04.410 To have been in, yeah, I'm just very interested. I do, 0:53:04.710 --> 0:53:06.840 I hope that real Hal Jordan is dead because I 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:09.620 love Hal O'Graham, Hal Jordan right now. But I do 0:53:09.660 --> 0:53:11.940 think that there is a version where all of this 0:53:11.980 --> 0:53:15.780 was a coverup for Sheriff Kerry and for Noah. 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:17.940 Well, let me ask you, can I ask you this? 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:18.420 Yeah, go for it. 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:22.480 Okay, we know that there is this gas that causes 0:53:22.580 --> 0:53:30.120 like mass psychosis and suicidal and murderous drive. amongst the 0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:33.300 population that causes it's capable of wiping out an entire planet. 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.140 What if they use that, what if that was what 0:53:39.219 --> 0:53:41.750 happened I don't know. How much can we trust what 0:53:41.810 --> 0:53:44.010 happened in the town when the Manhunter thing happened? That's 0:53:44.050 --> 0:53:45.210 what I was going to say. 0:53:45.290 --> 0:53:49.020 Like, everyone was useless and just started, like, attacking each other. 0:53:49.060 --> 0:53:52.280 And there was a huge body count. But the plan 0:53:52.300 --> 0:53:52.920 didn't happen. 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:57.460 Because I'm confused as to why Hal would go to jail. 0:53:57.900 --> 0:54:02.350 For what? He didn't. Jon Stewart shot the Manhunter. No, no, no. 0:54:02.610 --> 0:54:05.730 So I think the general— and this has been a big 0:54:05.790 --> 0:54:09.920 conversation in the Discord and online— I think from rewatching 0:54:10.060 --> 0:54:12.410 it a couple of times, and I think that what 0:54:12.430 --> 0:54:17.649 happened is nobody knows that Anton and his aliens went 0:54:17.690 --> 0:54:20.969 there and suicide bombed the town. They think Jon Stewart 0:54:21.489 --> 0:54:24.110 and how Jordan went there and how Jordan kind of 0:54:24.210 --> 0:54:27.550 fucked up and accidentally blew some shit up. And he was, remember, 0:54:27.570 --> 0:54:29.950 the guy that the American government would always be like, 0:54:30.250 --> 0:54:32.549 send him to a bar. Like, go in and do 0:54:32.590 --> 0:54:35.669 the last minute shit. And I think that... He just 0:54:35.690 --> 0:54:37.500 took the fall and was like, this went wrong. We 0:54:37.540 --> 0:54:39.700 can't say what it was. It was a training exercise, 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:42.399 but a bunch of people died. But actually, I think 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:46.160 you're very smart, Jason, because Rushville never made sense. They 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:48.100 had had a militia that had been training for 25 years. 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:48.440 They had had. 0:54:50.530 --> 0:54:54.390 Ample time to you know get all this high-tech gear 0:54:54.410 --> 0:54:57.469 they had the alien readers at the school but the 0:54:57.550 --> 0:55:00.150 moment the manhunter's turned up they just started like acting 0:55:00.190 --> 0:55:02.670 crazy like the moment anton and his killers turned up 0:55:02.710 --> 0:55:05.490 they couldn't do anything like i think there is something 0:55:05.590 --> 0:55:07.989 interesting to that suggestion. 0:55:07.570 --> 0:55:11.160 Right i think we at least need to uh hold 0:55:11.180 --> 0:55:13.529 in our minds the possibility that some of the stuff 0:55:13.550 --> 0:55:16.250 that we saw during that maybe didn't happen the way 0:55:16.430 --> 0:55:17.969 we think it did because of this. 0:55:18.050 --> 0:55:18.969 Or for the reasons. 0:55:19.370 --> 0:55:24.160 Or for the reasons. And now there's like, okay, so 0:55:24.180 --> 0:55:26.020 what is Sinestro's role in this, Rosie? 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:29.420 Right? That's what I want to know. So where do 0:55:29.460 --> 0:55:33.620 we go? Because he's clearly not the antagonist. I doubt 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:35.839 that they're suddenly going to rug pull and say he 0:55:35.890 --> 0:55:39.029 was behind all of this, like a Thanos-esque figure. That's 0:55:39.410 --> 0:55:41.510 not really his place, even though he is a cosmic 0:55:41.570 --> 0:55:45.489 level villain. I do wonder that. I wonder if he 0:55:45.510 --> 0:55:49.330 will become allied with them. I also wonder if maybe... 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:54.350 John and Hala Graham will have to ally themselves with 0:55:54.370 --> 0:55:57.430 Sinestro and that will lead to some kind of conflict 0:55:57.469 --> 0:56:00.149 that will play into Superman 2. You know, I also 0:56:00.210 --> 0:56:02.810 wonder if this is a, like, making a choice that 0:56:02.850 --> 0:56:04.870 seems hard because you've got to save the planet and 0:56:04.910 --> 0:56:08.760 then Superman misunderstands the choice. You know, though saying that, 0:56:09.100 --> 0:56:11.779 you know, I will say I think that A lot 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:15.299 of people haven't had the Justice League that they've wanted yet. 0:56:15.340 --> 0:56:18.180 We had the jokes with the Justice Gang. Jon Stewart 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:21.810 has Justice League energy. So I'm hoping that the end 0:56:21.850 --> 0:56:24.150 of this, him and Superman, him and Corrin Sweat would 0:56:24.170 --> 0:56:27.390 be so great together. I'm hoping they don't end up 0:56:27.450 --> 0:56:30.049 in a conflict. I'm hoping he's a straight ally in 0:56:30.070 --> 0:56:34.390 Superman 2. But the Sinestro, if it all does confuse me, Jason, 0:56:34.420 --> 0:56:37.120 because are they setting him up? Maybe this would be 0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:41.860 my most simple Occam's Razor theory. He has actually lured 0:56:41.900 --> 0:56:45.500 them there because he knows how powerful Jon is. And 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:47.860 now he's going to want him to make some construct. 0:56:48.540 --> 0:56:49.969 And he's going to argue that he has to do 0:56:50.010 --> 0:56:51.870 it for some reason. But the end of the season 0:56:51.910 --> 0:56:54.830 will be that they've accidentally unlocked the power of him 0:56:54.870 --> 0:56:57.530 to get the yellow ring or something. I don't know 0:56:57.550 --> 0:57:00.150 because I don't see how that's going to happen. But 0:57:00.170 --> 0:57:02.969 we got to know. Also, Jason, what are the odds 0:57:03.050 --> 0:57:07.330 if you were going to do sporting odds on, uh, Zalshi, 0:57:07.450 --> 0:57:13.330 our x-ray vision betting, Zalshi, um, reconciliation odds of Jon 0:57:13.370 --> 0:57:14.890 and his family. I feel like we've got to see 0:57:14.910 --> 0:57:15.850 Bernadette at least. 0:57:15.930 --> 0:57:18.710 Like, she's been such a recurring figure on the phone. 0:57:18.740 --> 0:57:20.260 We've got to see them on camera. 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.160 We've got to see them on camera somehow. Um, I 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:26.200 can't wait. It's, it feels like, again, too much to 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:29.220 happen in one episode, but, uh, I can't wait. Send 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:32.600 us that episode. Nobody's seen it. We need to see it. 0:57:33.570 --> 0:57:37.890 Coming up next on X-Ray Vision, we're revisiting Avengers Infinity 0:57:37.910 --> 0:57:41.000 War for our next episode of Abending Tuesday. Plus, more 0:57:41.020 --> 0:57:43.459 of the biggest news, movies, TV discussions, and of course, 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.570 the finale of Lanterns next week. 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