Speaker 1: On today's episode of This League, we talk about the
Speaker 1: difference between being a batman and a Robin in the NBA,
Speaker 1: why the East seems to be so suddenly stacked, and
Speaker 1: we break down why Yannis is the next James Harden?
Speaker 1: What is it about the league that makes NBA players
Speaker 1: subtweet like their love spurned teenagers. They're like using philosophical quotes,
Speaker 1: They're like putting music into their story that flows into
Speaker 1: what their grievances are. Sometimes they just come out and
Speaker 1: actually say it. They just shots fired, and then the
Speaker 1: world is looking around, like what just happened? That? That
Speaker 1: was this weekend with James Harden?
Speaker 2: Folks?
Speaker 1: That was what I saw on my story when I
Speaker 1: looked into what was happening?
Speaker 2: Did you see it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: On his story?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I actually did you want me to read it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, he goes. We do all this.
Speaker 6: Talking about uplifting the next African American male afthat, and
Speaker 6: some of these ex NBA players use National TV or
Speaker 6: their own social.
Speaker 4: Media to do the opposite. I see it. I just
Speaker 4: stay to myself. The real never lose. My favorite part.
Speaker 1: The Real never lose my favorite One of my favorite
Speaker 1: part is that if you were looking closely, he incorrectly
Speaker 1: spelled there. I'm not a grammatical nazi about things.
Speaker 2: But that was funny to me.
Speaker 1: A lot of polarization between some athletes about this Instagram story,
Speaker 1: Some very much agree, some very much disagree. But I
Speaker 1: wondered to myself who he might be talking about a
Speaker 1: few people, I think because there were very spicy takes
Speaker 1: when Harden left Houston, takes that I wouldn't say were
Speaker 1: inaccurate necessarily, but they were not nice. They were not friendly.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the TNT boys. Charles Barkley hit the tape, Ernie,
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 7: The only one of those three guys who has proven
Speaker 7: to me he's not selfish and not a mean guy.
Speaker 7: It's it's KD. KD went to Golden State and he sacrificed.
Speaker 7: James Hard and Kyrier ever have never shown me like, no,
Speaker 7: I just want to win.
Speaker 2: It's aggressive, that's the most important thing. Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's move on earlier, Shack, I mean, that
Speaker 1: was a lot that wasn't necessarily untrue, but listen, James
Speaker 1: Harden's had to be the man for a long time now.
Speaker 1: Shack pointed out that Hard and claimed that he did
Speaker 1: everything in his power to win in Houston, but he
Speaker 1: really did.
Speaker 8: Not have to say some things. And keep in mind
Speaker 8: on have G fourteen classifications.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 8: You asked for d white House, We gave him to you.
Speaker 2: Facts didn't work out.
Speaker 8: You asked for Chris Paul, We gave him to you.
Speaker 8: We asked for you asked for some shooters, We gave
Speaker 8: it to you. We asked for Westbrook, your homeboy from
Speaker 8: Little League. We gave him to you. It didn't work out.
Speaker 8: And when you say I gave you everything, I say, no,
Speaker 8: you didn't, because the last five games, when it comes
Speaker 8: to elimination, you're won and four bring from three uh
Speaker 8: thirty two assists, thirty two assists and twenty seven turnovers.
Speaker 2: I used to be like James.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, Shack's out here spitting stats and facts,
Speaker 1: saying what we all kind of know, which is in
Speaker 1: crunch time. James Harden was not the guy saying what.
Speaker 1: Even Kendrick hot bad take Perkins seems to also have
Speaker 1: the presence of mind to know, which to me is
Speaker 1: very stunning. If Kendrick Perkins gets the take right, it's
Speaker 1: the take.
Speaker 3: Durant is going to be the batman. James Harden is
Speaker 3: going to be the riveman. Can Kyrie Irvin handle Ben Afford?
Speaker 3: And I don't know that? So this is an insurance plant.
Speaker 1: These clips seem like news to you, Marty. You seem stunned.
Speaker 6: I had not seen the Shack one. That was pretty funny.
Speaker 1: This is actually my exact opinion too. I think Harden
Speaker 1: also knows truthfully, deep down in his heart. If you
Speaker 1: investigate and look between the lines, like inspector Gadget.
Speaker 2: You'll see he knows.
Speaker 1: He said it in his presser, the last presser when
Speaker 1: he was leaving Houston, and he also said more that
Speaker 1: gave me the same impression when he got to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: He said in Houston, we are just not good enough.
Speaker 1: I have done all I can. This situation is unfixable.
Speaker 1: I can't do this alone. Basically, you can see that
Speaker 1: because he asked to be traded the teams that were
Speaker 1: not about to be contenders if he got there, but
Speaker 1: already projected to be contenders.
Speaker 2: Folks.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not trying to be the missing piece.
Speaker 1: I want a piece that I want to be a
Speaker 1: piece on a team that's already ready to win a chip.
Speaker 1: He also said in that next presser, my goal was
Speaker 1: securing my family's future. Now my entire focus is winning
Speaker 1: a ring. Basically, all of that to say, I am
Speaker 1: not Batman. I can't be the only one to do
Speaker 1: this alone, to try to win a championship. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be the man, because why the man gets paid.
Speaker 2: I secured the bag.
Speaker 1: I made a shitload of money in Houston, and now
Speaker 1: it is time to move on to new goals. To
Speaker 1: win a chip. I'm gonna be a willing passer. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be Robin. I will defer, I will play make.
Speaker 1: That's what he said in his presser. All things that
Speaker 1: athletes say when they get to a new team. They
Speaker 1: are the most compliant that we've ever seen them. When
Speaker 1: they get to their introductory presser. They're nice to media.
Speaker 1: It's all like hearts and roses. But you know what,
Speaker 1: and I'm a skeptical fan.
Speaker 4: I am right.
Speaker 1: I don't believe most athletes when they say things to
Speaker 1: the media. I look at their actions, and oh boy, Marty,
Speaker 1: did you see James Harden's actions against the Magic I did?
Speaker 6: He played pretty incredible. He almost threw up a quadruple
Speaker 6: doubles sort of. I mean he got to the line
Speaker 6: like fifteen times, twelve boards, fourteen assists, four steals.
Speaker 4: I mean, what a game, what a debut.
Speaker 1: Seemed like he was kind of ready to sacrifice a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: Wonder if Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1: Saw that game, what he thought about that game? Harden
Speaker 1: heard them and said, oh you don't you think I'm
Speaker 1: a me guy? Let me show you. Challenge accepted, my lord.
Speaker 1: Twelve rebounds, yeah, four steals, four steals. Let's not act
Speaker 1: folks like James Harden can't play some defense.
Speaker 6: No, he totally can. That rumor has been put to
Speaker 6: bed for a little while. Now.
Speaker 4: Is he elite?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: But I mean he was great against Okay, seeing the
Speaker 6: bubble that series that was really heated.
Speaker 1: He when he wants can lock some fools down. He
Speaker 1: is a big body. He can move his feet. His
Speaker 1: footwork is unquestionable. It is hard, though, to be a
Speaker 1: lockdown defender when you are the focal point on offense
Speaker 1: every single possession. You need to average fifty in order
Speaker 1: for this team to be able to compete and go
Speaker 1: all the way, to be the one every night getting
Speaker 1: hit your body in the lane, beats bruises and then
Speaker 1: also be a lockdown defender.
Speaker 4: Are you talking yourself into being a hardened fan by
Speaker 4: any chance?
Speaker 2: All time pivot, last show, last show, I'm.
Speaker 1: Banging on him two shows ago, banging on him, and
Speaker 1: I think I'm team Harden. The haters, the haters can
Speaker 1: say that Hardened self destructed, but me a team Hardened.
Speaker 2: Person, I would like to say he's self reflected.
Speaker 1: Critics would say that he's a fat man with a
Speaker 1: strip club fetish. But first of all, let let's not
Speaker 1: go against anyone's hobbies. We're not hobby judging here. Second,
Speaker 1: I would say that Harden is really a man who
Speaker 1: understands the purpose of work life balance, letting off some
Speaker 1: steam when it comes to working in a very stressful
Speaker 1: work environment. And for folks who say he's fat, you
Speaker 1: know that Harden is going to play himself in the
Speaker 1: game shape. He's already down like fifteen pounds in like
Speaker 1: three days. Did you see him in that nets warm
Speaker 1: up compared to those baby blue warm ups? He looks
Speaker 1: slim like Overnight. Couldn't figure out what had happened. He's
Speaker 1: on that kyrie cucumber juice. How did he get to
Speaker 1: this point? I don't know how did he get to
Speaker 1: this revelation. I just know he's there. Sometimes sometimes it
Speaker 1: takes banging your head into a wall over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over again to realize, maybe I need
Speaker 1: to make some changes. Maybe things I loved aren't important
Speaker 1: to me anymore.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not who I thought I was. Fuck, life
Speaker 2: was pretty good.
Speaker 1: When I was playing with Kevin Durant being the sixth
Speaker 1: man coming off the bench. I was beloved and Okay, see,
Speaker 1: I think we should try that again. We were competing.
Speaker 1: Took him eight years, folks, I don't care how long
Speaker 1: it took him better late than ever. Some guys like
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, they don't.
Speaker 2: Get the immutable truth.
Speaker 1: They just never quite figured out that winning as a
Speaker 1: robin is always better. All Right, there's another team that
Speaker 1: I had some thinking this weekend, and there's another team
Speaker 1: that's giving me MVP James Harden twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: Houston Rockets vibes out early in the playoffs, vibes freak
Speaker 1: player MVP caliber. Maybe not able to do it without
Speaker 1: another superstar?
Speaker 4: Okay, are you talking about Yannis? The free comment made
Speaker 4: me think you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yanna's see, I dropped that bread crumb for you.
Speaker 2: I dropped that break, sue me.
Speaker 1: Yannis and the Milwaukee Bucks are the next iteration of
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen twenty eighteen Houston Rockets MVP Conference Finals
Speaker 1: at the very ceiling, best player making the max locked
Speaker 1: up for five years. The problem is that player and
Speaker 1: the fan base expect with all of that comes a ring.
Speaker 1: And I promise you I would bet. People say I
Speaker 1: would bet my life savings on something. I would bet
Speaker 1: my life. I would bet the beating heart in my
Speaker 1: fucking chest, my last breath. Yannis will not win a
Speaker 1: ring with this franchise as currently constructed. He is going
Speaker 1: to need a lot more. I will bet everything. And
Speaker 1: you know what, I also bet on Giannis is going
Speaker 1: to do the exact same thing that James Harden did.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get life changing super Max money and get
Speaker 1: tired of losing because he can't win the way he
Speaker 1: wants to as a leader.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, there's a whole lot there. I mean
Speaker 6: I think they're bench stinks. I mean I think Milwaukee Yeah, no,
Speaker 6: I agree completely. I don't think they're winning a title
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 1: Right now, no shot did you see Here's here's where
Speaker 1: it all came together for me. Yeah, did you see
Speaker 1: the Bucks play the MAVs on Friday Night?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was It was a wild game.
Speaker 1: That was the most disgusting game between two potential MVPs
Speaker 1: I think I've ever seen. You got two guys leading
Speaker 1: the MVP race, and it was that. Don't even get
Speaker 1: me started on Luca not being a bit man the
Speaker 1: way he played against the Bulls.
Speaker 2: Can't even win against the Bulls.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, if Yanna shoots fifty from the foul line,
Speaker 6: they win that game.
Speaker 1: They did win that game. They just didn't cover that game, right,
Speaker 1: That's why man cover.
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers can't cover.
Speaker 1: I know that's not what it takes to win a ring,
Speaker 1: but you dude, come on now, Yannis, we are assuming
Speaker 1: he can be a cornerstone of a championship team. That
Speaker 1: dude shoots one for ten from the free throw line.
Speaker 1: That was when I knew it. That was when I
Speaker 1: said it. I tweeted it. They're never gonna do it.
Speaker 1: They're the Milwaukee Bucks are never gonna win a ring.
Speaker 1: Eleven games in, we are eleven games in, and they
Speaker 1: looked like molasses. You had guys legit walking around screens,
Speaker 1: literally walk hitting.
Speaker 2: Someone comes up sets the screen and they walk around.
Speaker 1: It, just chucking up shots, checking out bricks early on
Speaker 1: in the shot clock.
Speaker 2: What it was disgusting.
Speaker 1: If it's hard to watch now eleven games in, how
Speaker 1: do you think it's gonna be forty games from now?
Speaker 1: You think they're gonna be more fresh, more energized, more
Speaker 1: pep in their fucking step. It's not like this team
Speaker 1: got bounced. This team went to the finals. The team
Speaker 1: got bounced early to the heat.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna say, oh, Trista, they almost went to the
Speaker 1: finals two years ago.
Speaker 2: What are you saying?
Speaker 1: They were up three to one on the on the
Speaker 1: Toronto Raptors who won it all. Bitch, I don't care
Speaker 1: about the past. That was before the East was stacked,
Speaker 1: wasn't it now? If if some nuts were candies and nuts,
Speaker 1: it would be Christmas morning every day. They are not
Speaker 1: going back to the finals. That was the shot that
Speaker 1: they had, and it is now over. That window to
Speaker 1: me is now over. The East now is a death march.
Speaker 1: You've got Miami, You've got Brooklyn, you've got the seventy
Speaker 1: six ers, you've got the Celtics. Goddamn, which one of
Speaker 1: those teams can Milwaukee beat?
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's any of those.
Speaker 1: Let's run it back in six months, see who see
Speaker 1: how we're feeling. And like I've said before, nothing gives
Speaker 1: me more pleasure than being right. When everyone tells me
Speaker 1: I'm wrong and it coming to fruition and I see it,
Speaker 1: I go, look, I told you, I told you. Dancing
Speaker 1: on their grave insufferable. I am so annoying as a winner.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be screaming from the rooftops. And in four years,
Speaker 1: oh baby, oh baby, when Yannis forces himself out of Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: I promise you.
Speaker 2: You're gonna hear it from me. And do you know why?
Speaker 2: This is how I know.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 2: Because Giannis is no batman.
Speaker 1: He's a fucking amazing robin, maybe the number one Robin
Speaker 1: you could ever ask for. You put Yannis with Lebron,
Speaker 1: you put Jannis with KD, You put Yannis with Kawhi.
Speaker 1: Oh man, they're a buzzsaw. But does he make those
Speaker 1: around him better? Like Lebron or KD consistently does Marty no?
Speaker 4: No seeing the playoffs?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Can he put a franchise on his shoulder and drag
Speaker 1: them to greatness. No, can he unquestionably be the man
Speaker 1: in a Game seven hitting the final shot when everyone
Speaker 1: knows he's about to hit the final shot and actually
Speaker 1: make it. No, and that's fine with me, but I
Speaker 1: promise it's not fine with Giannis, and it's not fine
Speaker 1: with ownership that just paid him an ungodly amount of
Speaker 1: money to win a ring for this little town.
Speaker 2: The world believes he's a batman. He believes he's Batman.
Speaker 2: That's delusions of grandeur, folks.
Speaker 1: And in fact, it is clear, abundantly clear, that there's
Speaker 1: only three batman in the entire NBA bron kd Kawhi,
Speaker 1: every other superstar that exists, Robin at fucking best who.
Speaker 4: That's quite a statement.
Speaker 6: I have to say, aren't you a pretty big Blazers fan?
Speaker 4: You're gonna leave Dame out there?
Speaker 1: It pains me, It pains me, it does. I love
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard. I love the Portland Trailblazers. There's the whole
Speaker 1: reason that I got in the basketball to begin with.
Speaker 1: Clyde to Glide. He is gonna be the best Blazer
Speaker 1: in history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a superstar. For sure. Can he win a
Speaker 2: series for us?
Speaker 4: Hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can do it multiple times. I have fantasies
Speaker 2: of Dame being a Batman. I do.
Speaker 1: I think about it late at night. He's not a
Speaker 1: two way player, Marty. He hits those series winners, but
Speaker 1: he can't carry this team to win a chip.
Speaker 2: And that's the difference. That's the fact, man.
Speaker 4: I mean, how can you say that?
Speaker 2: How gonna say what? There's three Batman's facts.
Speaker 1: You just look at these facts, cold hard, immutable facts.
Speaker 2: Here they are.
Speaker 1: Now, take a little pencil out.
Speaker 2: This thing on all right, here we go.
Speaker 1: In the last ten years in the end finals, every
Speaker 1: single finals has had at least one team with either Bron,
Speaker 1: Kadi or Kawhi playing on it. In six of those years,
Speaker 1: both of those teams had one of those three players
Speaker 1: on it. Sixteen out of the twenty teams that have
Speaker 1: played in the last ten NBA finals have had one
Speaker 1: of those players on it, either Kdie, Kawhi or Broun.
Speaker 1: That's how you know, folks, how who Batman is. There's
Speaker 1: plenty of other superstar teams, only three Batman Bron. Nine
Speaker 1: out of the last ten finals, the super Batman unbelievable
Speaker 1: on three teams one time, two different times, one team
Speaker 1: two different times, Cavs twice, Katie two different times, two
Speaker 1: different teams, Kawhi two different teams. I don't care if
Speaker 1: Kde and Kawhi went onto these quote unquote stack rosters.
Speaker 1: Houston had stack roster. Boston Celtics had a stack roster.
Speaker 1: The last time that Boston Celtics were in the finals,
Speaker 1: it was twenty ten and they didn't even win. So yeah,
Speaker 1: point stands all of that to say all of that
Speaker 1: for this point, do you still think Giannis is Batman,
Speaker 1: Nate Dogg? Nobody comes closer than close original They never
Speaker 1: will be. Let's talk a little more about Lebron James,
Speaker 1: something that nobody is talking about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it seems like yesterday people were joking
Speaker 6: about him having to come out of a weak East.
Speaker 6: I mean, that was always the thing about him, And
Speaker 6: do you think people will say that about him coming
Speaker 6: out of the West now?
Speaker 2: I mean, of course it's Lebron James.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me that people are actually saying with
Speaker 1: a straight face that there is an asterisk next to
Speaker 1: his championship coming out of the bubble? And that's true,
Speaker 1: there is an asterisk. It was one of the most physically,
Speaker 1: mentally emotionally taxing championships that you can say is in
Speaker 1: history other than the World War Two. And this season,
Speaker 1: of course, is gonna be worse because you have an
Speaker 1: entire season in a pandemic. But haters are gonna say
Speaker 1: that Lebron James's every single ring is photoshopped. But what
Speaker 1: is not being talked about is the fact that Lebron
Speaker 1: James decided, you know what, I'm gonna go West in
Speaker 1: the middle of a Golden State dynasty. How about that
Speaker 1: for a week he didn't know that KD was gonna leave,
Speaker 1: He didn't know that Clay was gonna get injured.
Speaker 2: Houston was still stacked at that point. The West was stacked.
Speaker 1: And now, somehow, mysteriously, somehow, people will say that the
Speaker 1: East is stacked. The East is fucking stacked. You've got
Speaker 1: the Celtics, you got the Heat, you got the Sixers,
Speaker 1: you got the Nets, you got the Bucks. Five out
Speaker 1: of the top seven teams probably in the East superstars
Speaker 1: since Lebron went West, superstars have either signed big deals,
Speaker 1: got traded left and free agency, and most of those
Speaker 1: either stayed East or went east. Kawhi Leonard was gonna
Speaker 1: stay in Toronto if he couldn't get Paul George. Why
Speaker 1: do you think that is? Why do you think all
Speaker 1: of these players went east?
Speaker 6: All of them whin He's I mean, I could go
Speaker 6: through and probably come up with reasons for all of them.
Speaker 6: But the trend does definitely speak for itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Mark, mass exit is East mass
Speaker 1: exod is the facts of this.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: Don't want to play Lebron James in the playoffs until
Speaker 1: it's the finals.
Speaker 2: That is, That's the facts.
Speaker 1: It is a lot easier inside of your heart of
Speaker 1: hearts to get to the finals and play a thirty
Speaker 1: six year old, beaten.
Speaker 2: Down, mangled Lebron James after.
Speaker 1: He went through the gauntlet. Gotta play the Clippers, get
Speaker 1: through them. Who knows, maybe you'll roll an ankle or something.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get lucky, tired, vulnerable. And the East is
Speaker 1: stacked filled with fucking badgers. I'd like to call them,
Speaker 1: but I would rather face a badger in a box
Speaker 1: than a fucking black bear. You might get fucked up
Speaker 1: by a badger, but you will not die. You have
Speaker 1: a chance to live. Nobody dies from a badger. No one,
Speaker 1: it won't be pretty. You will look like I mean,
Speaker 1: it'll be bad. But a bear, you go one round
Speaker 1: against the bear. It's a body bag. Done, done, can
Speaker 1: coon on three? Get your golf clubs ready, you are out?
Speaker 1: Remember Lebronto, that was how it goes. So I'll take
Speaker 1: my chances. If I'm a player, I'll take my chances
Speaker 1: out east. And it's a bizarre to me, like first
Speaker 1: take SVP, all these little pundits. Nobody wants to talk
Speaker 1: about the mass exodus running from the grind, switching teams,
Speaker 1: avoiding the king, creating.
Speaker 2: Full three star teams.
Speaker 1: We have James hard and Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving
Speaker 1: on one team. Folks, do you think that that happens
Speaker 1: if they don't think that's what's necessary.
Speaker 2: To win a ring? And who do you think that
Speaker 2: they want to beat?
Speaker 4: Folks?
Speaker 1: Look at the heat getting Jimmy Celtics with Kemba Walker,
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward teams assembling fucking Avenger like firepower.
Speaker 2: Because why now onto something different?
Speaker 1: I was watching this YouTube you and the jack Boys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you said that you had never been blown out before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Patriots beat the Chargers forty five nothing a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. So the question that I have is, if
Speaker 1: you're not playing in the game, does it really count?
Speaker 1: What if you're not playing in a game and your
Speaker 1: team gets blown out, have you then never still been
Speaker 1: blown out?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, we get blown out. I'm part
Speaker 9: of that. I'm part of all that. I may not
Speaker 9: be contributed right now, but no, that count on my
Speaker 9: l That count is my l two.
Speaker 3: Because we win together, we lose together.
Speaker 5: So now you can't ever say that anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. I can't. I can't say that, Like,
Speaker 3: as crazy as it sounds, I can't. Like, Noah, we
Speaker 3: win together, we lose together. For sure.
Speaker 5: Where did the name the jack Boys originate?
Speaker 9: I think it originated it was before I had got here,
Speaker 9: But I think Julia dying, a couple of guys Kasey
Speaker 9: Hayward and a couple of old guys that used to
Speaker 9: be here, you know. I think just taking the ball away,
Speaker 9: getting the ball, getting turned over, and so I feel
Speaker 9: like if you jack something, you take it away.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's what that's what a jack boy is.
Speaker 5: So yeah, just straight jacking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just take it away. We need the ball, So
Speaker 3: you're after the ball.
Speaker 1: But did anybody ever think like this sort of some
Speaker 1: what sounds a little sexual?
Speaker 5: Nah?
Speaker 3: I don't think. No, No, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 3: think nobody did it like that? What is that?
Speaker 5: What about like the legion.
Speaker 3: Of Jack Nah? No, I think because they already had
Speaker 3: the leads in the boom, you know what I mean?
Speaker 9: So like you can't say the leading the jack That
Speaker 9: sounded like even more weird, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So I think Jack boy.
Speaker 5: Jacking one thing from another.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that sound weird. I remember when.
Speaker 1: We were talking pre draft, you were like the uh
Speaker 1: leading the movement of the drip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, you know that. You know that, you
Speaker 3: know that?
Speaker 9: So man, the drill, you know, I just wish I
Speaker 9: was out there showing a drill right now.
Speaker 3: But it's coming soon twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: But I'm still carrying that same drill.
Speaker 9: Even when I'm rehabing, doing what I'm doing to keep
Speaker 9: that same swagger about myself.
Speaker 5: Do you think that your style is what inspired Drip
Speaker 5: Too Hard?
Speaker 3: No? I think the boy. The boy was already saying
Speaker 3: that was dripping. It was already saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: I still would. I still thought was to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like a part of it.
Speaker 9: Yeah see you that'll be called something called cathline. Like
Speaker 9: I can't, I can't get out there and like I
Speaker 9: originated that, I can't do that.
Speaker 5: No, especially since you play a little baby. He would,
Speaker 5: he would get come on, he's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be like, how you how you still in my style?
Speaker 3: You can't can't do that.
Speaker 1: I remember because we talked I think a couple of
Speaker 1: days before and all the like news or whatever had
Speaker 1: you going I think seventh to.
Speaker 3: Tampa, seventh to to Tampa.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, hour from where you grew up, right you were?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was a Buffs fan growing up.
Speaker 9: But you know, I'm happy it worked out the way
Speaker 9: it did. You know, I can't, like I said, I
Speaker 9: can't wait to get out there and make some more
Speaker 9: plays for my team.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm happy to wait. The Cars feel
Speaker 3: how they feel?
Speaker 1: You think they were salty that you decline their invite
Speaker 1: for a solo dolo workout.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think they kind of was upset about that.
Speaker 9: I think that kind of left a little bad taste
Speaker 9: in them off because uh, they end up had the
Speaker 9: GM and the head coach had came to my pro
Speaker 9: day and when they realized I wasn't working out fully
Speaker 9: participating in my prod, it.
Speaker 3: Kind of upset on my I feel like I still
Speaker 3: feel like you could.
Speaker 5: Tell in the moment that they were a little.
Speaker 9: Yeah because because because in that moment I was. I
Speaker 9: remember that my pro day for the gym was out there.
Speaker 9: The head coaches like, oh man, you're not gonna work out.
Speaker 9: I'm like, nah, I feel like I did enough. I
Speaker 9: feel like my taste speech for itself. I feel like
Speaker 9: I did enough. So then I don't feel like they
Speaker 9: took that well.
Speaker 1: But hey, what's crazy is vitaved did not also do
Speaker 1: a private workout.
Speaker 3: Hey they had they guy. Man, they picked the guy.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I got they got, we got our got they
Speaker 9: got the guy.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so sad though, so called for.
Speaker 3: Sure, for sure, for sure I love California.
Speaker 5: Uh why mama think you wouldn't fit in Tampa?
Speaker 9: My mom didn't want me there for sure because she's
Speaker 9: just my mom is just a mom, like she is
Speaker 9: too close to home. She she don't want people bugging me.
Speaker 9: She always want me safe. She always just she always
Speaker 9: just trying.
Speaker 3: To be a mom. Look after her boy.
Speaker 9: So she didn't really want me too close with all
Speaker 9: the distractions and just being able to just go home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, doubt way too close, be able to like
Speaker 1: rip and run back to the neighbor.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going back to your hometown constantly every year.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's you know what I mean, it's something she
Speaker 3: didn't want.
Speaker 5: That's dope.
Speaker 1: I thought she might have been like breaking down defensive
Speaker 1: schemes and stuff and was like, oh, Derwin's not fit.
Speaker 3: Nah My mom don't care. She know I play any schemes.
Speaker 9: She know, she knows that don't matter. She knows her
Speaker 9: baby's gonna play any scheme.
Speaker 1: You still feel like working out for a team individually
Speaker 1: is an unnecessary ask?
Speaker 3: What was that? Sorry? You kind of cut in and out?
Speaker 1: Oh do you think it's still like an unnecessary ask
Speaker 1: for teams to ask people to uh to work out individually?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 9: I mean you could kind of take that both ways,
Speaker 9: you know. I feel like it depends on the guy.
Speaker 9: I honestly do feel like it depends on the guy.
Speaker 9: And I feel like some people feel like they have
Speaker 9: a lot to prove, and then some guys feel like
Speaker 9: they've done enough. They don't want to risk any injury
Speaker 9: or anything. So I feel like you could you could
Speaker 9: take that either way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I saw something like someone got really
Speaker 1: hurt in their pro day.
Speaker 9: Yeah, a couple guys. I know a couple of guys
Speaker 9: that got hurt during pro day. I mean, but I mean,
Speaker 9: injury is kind of hard to predict. I mean, it's
Speaker 9: gonna happen when it's gonna happen. But I know a
Speaker 9: lot of guys that just rather or not, you know,
Speaker 9: put their body through that much stress and strain, you know,
Speaker 9: getting so close to the time, you know that their
Speaker 9: life can change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially like you've got agents who are looking out
Speaker 1: for your best interest and your best health.
Speaker 5: You put a ton of shit out on tape. It's
Speaker 5: kind of like, let me just chill.
Speaker 1: You also said after the draft that there are guys
Speaker 1: who are fifth, sixth, seventh round guys, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where you picked. That's cap, right, that's big time.
Speaker 3: Cap what you said.
Speaker 1: You said, it does not matter where you're picked. There's
Speaker 1: guys who are fifth, sixth, seventh rounders. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where you're drafted.
Speaker 3: That's caph. No. No, that's why I said no. That's
Speaker 3: not cap I feel like, once.
Speaker 9: You're here, once you're in the NFL, it don't matter
Speaker 9: where you're drafted at. You could be first round, second round,
Speaker 9: fifth round. I mean, Tom Brady, what round was he?
Speaker 9: Antonio Brown?
Speaker 3: What around was he?
Speaker 9: Like a lot of those guys, it don't matter what
Speaker 9: round you win, That's what That's what I meant on that.
Speaker 1: Damn if you got drafted in the seventh round after
Speaker 1: you were supposed to go seven, there is no chance
Speaker 1: you'd have been like, oh, it doesn't matter where I
Speaker 1: was drafted today.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 9: I do feel like it's players like, man, I went
Speaker 9: in the sixth, but I supposed to be a lot better.
Speaker 3: I supposed to win in the first.
Speaker 9: Really, but then they go prove theirself like to be
Speaker 9: one of the best of all time.
Speaker 3: I feel like you see that a lot film.
Speaker 1: Fifty percent of the Pro bowlers this year went in
Speaker 1: the first round.
Speaker 9: That's crazy, that's just what was the other fifty.
Speaker 1: You also told a defeated my dream scenario is Casey Hayward.
Speaker 1: For my dream scenario for a secondary Casey Hayward, Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: Landon Collins, Earl Thomas, no one could complete a pass
Speaker 1: as of today? Who would be your dream current secondary today?
Speaker 9: I think I'm wrong with that same secondary. But I
Speaker 9: probably added my boy Booty Baker. He's been bawling balling
Speaker 9: my boy Boody Baker for sure. Shout out to him.
Speaker 9: He's been represented at the safety position.
Speaker 3: I had him.
Speaker 9: Man, I'll keep everybody else, but probably at him.
Speaker 5: Earl Thomas is washed a little bit.
Speaker 3: Noah, don't. I don't do that. He ain't even get
Speaker 3: to play this year. He ain't get to prove himself now.
Speaker 9: Now that that's big cap, ain't that w He just
Speaker 9: need an opportunity.
Speaker 3: He'll be back.
Speaker 5: Just playing. What does it mean when a safety has
Speaker 5: good hips?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 9: That means you're you're able to go from left to right,
Speaker 9: change direct because I feel like if you go to
Speaker 9: point A point B at a fast pace, I feel
Speaker 9: like you're you're a great dB.
Speaker 3: And that's what makes a great dB.
Speaker 5: How do you get them?
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're born with them.
Speaker 9: Sometimes you gotta you gotta just work, work your technique,
Speaker 9: you gotta you feel me.
Speaker 3: I can't really explain that too much. You need the
Speaker 3: guy or you don't.
Speaker 5: You were born with good hips?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, blessed with it, blessed with.
Speaker 1: You rode a bike. You rode a bike with two
Speaker 1: wheels at two years old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no training with That's what my mom told me.
Speaker 9: I don't really remember that, but they told me I
Speaker 9: was wild like that, like my grandparents and all my parents.
Speaker 9: They told me I just to do like normal stuff
Speaker 9: that a kid shouldn't be able to do or do.
Speaker 1: There are fantastical stories out there about you written you
Speaker 1: were hit by a car, the same car twice twice.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the same guy hit me, and I think my mom.
Speaker 3: My mom was like, did he hit him again?
Speaker 9: Like my mom said, My mom said, I really need
Speaker 9: to stay at the screen.
Speaker 8: The road and.
Speaker 5: Stuff like a small neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Now it was a big neighborhood. I mean I stayed.
Speaker 3: I stayed.
Speaker 9: It was road track, it was everything, you can walk circles,
Speaker 9: it was it was everything, Sam, How.
Speaker 5: Is that possible? I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 9: When I ride the bike no breaks, Never ride to
Speaker 9: all the kids out there, don't don't have no bike
Speaker 9: with no breaks on it, And don't be trying to
Speaker 9: get home before the street lights come on, rushing home,
Speaker 9: staying out late, playing football, so and like some parent from.
Speaker 1: A rival school knew that you were going to go
Speaker 1: to Florida State at like eight years old, when you
Speaker 1: were basically committed there, and they're like, let's take girling out.
Speaker 3: No, No, they didn't want to do it like that.
Speaker 9: They actually helped me, you know, go to the doctor
Speaker 9: and stuff after it was cool.
Speaker 1: Uh, you and Dalvin obviously were teammates. What's your favorite
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook story or moment?
Speaker 9: Uh, it gotta be probably when we used to play
Speaker 9: on the rooftop at Florida State.
Speaker 3: On the current.
Speaker 9: We used to go where the little parking decks are
Speaker 9: for like you know, if you're going to class anything
Speaker 9: you need to park. We used to go all the
Speaker 9: way to the rooftop. It's like probably about fifteen twenty
Speaker 9: twenty flights stairs up and we just play on top
Speaker 9: of the roof. And I remember, like they never put
Speaker 9: me in Dalwin on the same team. It used to
Speaker 9: be me and him, Travis Rudolf, a couple of other
Speaker 9: guys and we used just we used to just go
Speaker 9: up there every day and just battle. And I remember
Speaker 9: like those days in the sand pit. We'll just go
Speaker 9: to the sand and just playing football. We all justus
Speaker 9: just play football like we was playing kid like.
Speaker 3: We was kids.
Speaker 5: You played tackle football on the roof.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we played tackle on the roof.
Speaker 9: It was like sideline bus almost, but you know it
Speaker 9: was a good two hand tag like it was good.
Speaker 9: Like sometimes you may get a little extra shoulder or something,
Speaker 9: but like it was.
Speaker 3: It was fun. We played.
Speaker 9: We played on the sand also, so it was a
Speaker 9: lot of like battles that I remember.
Speaker 3: For sure. We used to go at it playing. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, he's still fast in that sand too.
Speaker 1: You were called decorious law, best running back to ever
Speaker 1: play where you grew up.
Speaker 5: If he wouldn't have gotten hurt, how good you think
Speaker 5: he would have been?
Speaker 9: Like I say, man, I definitely there's no doubt in
Speaker 9: my mind that he should be playing today. And I
Speaker 9: still can say that because I feel like that was
Speaker 9: one of the best athletes I ever seen, you know,
Speaker 9: with a football in his hand. On defense, he I mean,
Speaker 9: he does he did it all man, and no lie when.
Speaker 3: I say he wanted the best athlete, he really was.
Speaker 1: Do you think there'll be a possibility in any game
Speaker 1: where you'll work at where you'll play all positions of
Speaker 1: the defense.
Speaker 9: In one game Man hopefully next year for sure, because
Speaker 9: I'm trying to play some football, so I don't care
Speaker 9: if they line me up at punter, deep, noseguard, cornerback, lineback.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to play.
Speaker 9: So I've just been in the house rehabbing, so I'm
Speaker 9: really excited. So it's about to be five months in
Speaker 9: probably about two weeks to be.
Speaker 1: About five It's crazy how fast the body heals, though,
Speaker 1: Like when you tear something and then you look back
Speaker 1: and you're like five six months.
Speaker 9: It's hard in the moment, like shit, yeah when you
Speaker 9: look up, because when I look at I'm like, damn,
Speaker 9: I really had surgery on September first, I'm like, damn
Speaker 9: listening to be January, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's like I'm like, damn, time flying. But shit,
Speaker 3: I'm happy it's.
Speaker 5: Doing it, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Only positions you haven't played on defense or nose tackle
Speaker 1: in middle linebacker.
Speaker 5: I feel like you couldn't play nose tackle though.
Speaker 3: Yeah I think I can too, for sure. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think I think I can. I think I can.
Speaker 5: I hold my mom, Yeah, you're big enough.
Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, I forgot about this, Rich Eisen. You
Speaker 1: sat on Rich Eisen's couch, and the first thing he
Speaker 1: told you was how surprisingly big you were. Is that
Speaker 1: weird to hear that from like another person, like another
Speaker 1: man's Like it's like the first thing is like, wow,
Speaker 1: when you're a really big guy.
Speaker 9: I don't think God think about it like that. I
Speaker 9: wasn't going in there when he told me. I wasn't
Speaker 9: thinking like that. I just you know, I ain't taking it.
Speaker 9: I don't know if I want to say I took
Speaker 9: it as a company. I just kind of like listened
Speaker 9: to it and just you know, got.
Speaker 3: Ready for the show.
Speaker 5: You were like, I am kind of school right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I had just got out of weight room, like probably
Speaker 9: that day before you know, it was probably he caught
Speaker 9: me on a good day.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just such a weird thing
Speaker 1: to say. But I guess like women don't do.
Speaker 5: That to him.
Speaker 9: Yeah, That's why I say, like, y'all probably don't even
Speaker 9: think about doing stuff.
Speaker 1: Like that, like oh, your legs look really skinny like
Speaker 1: in person.
Speaker 5: You know, that would just never be something we do.
Speaker 5: When did you find out?
Speaker 1: Do you have a story about when you found out
Speaker 1: Jalen was coming to La to join you. Obviously different teams,
Speaker 1: but like still same city vibesh.
Speaker 3: At first, I didn't.
Speaker 9: I didn't know until my agent had told me because
Speaker 9: I was trying to get him to come to.
Speaker 3: The charges, but I knew it wasn't happening. So I knew.
Speaker 9: Once he was coming to l A, I was like, man,
Speaker 9: that's gonna be cool. Just being able to be on
Speaker 9: the West coast. You know, we met up a couple
Speaker 9: of times out here when did a couple events together.
Speaker 9: So just having him out here, you know, we both
Speaker 9: he from Tennessee, I'm from Florida. We went to Florida State.
Speaker 9: So having that connection out here pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's dope. Did you are you guys neighbors?
Speaker 9: Now he's staying the big, the big, the birds. He
Speaker 9: you know, that's big money, hundred million get that's man,
Speaker 9: that's that's the difference.
Speaker 3: Level was like, you know what I mean, he on
Speaker 3: that level.
Speaker 5: I'm hearing five for like one oh five.
Speaker 3: That's why we just want to play. That's it. We
Speaker 3: just I just want to play.
Speaker 5: You got David m Getta.
Speaker 1: David mull Getta gets his boys chips, He's getting Buddha chips,
Speaker 1: He's getting jailing chips.
Speaker 5: You're getting chips going. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I know you gotta deal with play the game. He's
Speaker 1: gonna deal with your contract. But you're gonna get chips.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a big old house next to Jalen.
Speaker 3: That's all good.
Speaker 5: What uh? Why was Peyton better than Brady in Brady's prime?
Speaker 3: I think it's the other way around.
Speaker 1: Well, you you tweeted, hands down Peyton Manning best quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL?
Speaker 3: Probably that year. What year was that?
Speaker 5: So Peyton was balling?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: It was uh yeah, I had to be. I had
Speaker 3: to be watching paint and Painton had to be in
Speaker 3: a moment. Probably the Broncos game.
Speaker 5: It was August.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could say it had to be that year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was that Take you.
Speaker 9: Take a tome of Peyton? Yeah day, oh yeah, for sure,
Speaker 9: for sure. I probably on that day. You know, I
Speaker 9: was capping over capping a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 9: Payton great too. They both great, both of them, great quarterbacks.
Speaker 9: Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Explain this tweet August seventh, twenty thirteen. The cold shower
Speaker 1: is the best shower.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's that shower.
Speaker 9: After that worked out, relaxed, and then you just you
Speaker 9: ain't taking the hot shot. You just want to get
Speaker 9: your body cool down. Man, just turn the water on
Speaker 9: cold man from his best shout.
Speaker 5: Funniest moment that didn't make hard knocks.
Speaker 9: Funniest moment that didn't make hard knocks. Oh man, when
Speaker 9: was that?
Speaker 3: Oh? Oh, probably when Justin Herbert got his hair cut
Speaker 3: by the screen coach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what were your thoughts on that?
Speaker 9: Well, I said, Bro, don't ever let him cut your
Speaker 9: hair again. Bro, he cuts you your good locks out?
Speaker 9: I mean, just mess my man, Harold Man, John, I say, John,
Speaker 9: why would you do that? Man?
Speaker 2: Was joke too?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fire Bro. It looked good brother, the
Speaker 3: nice girl. I was like, Man, why would you do
Speaker 3: my boy? Heard him like that? Man, he had to
Speaker 3: wear the hat now like not only he take my
Speaker 3: watch it he.
Speaker 9: Comes to the side like he put his hat straight on.
Speaker 9: He used to have his locks out. Man, it's a quarterback.
Speaker 9: Man can't do him like.
Speaker 1: That, Sam, Why you get the strength and conditioning coach
Speaker 1: to do it in the first place.
Speaker 9: But that's what type of guy Herbert is. Man, he
Speaker 9: just want to play football. He don't that asked like
Speaker 9: that doesn't even matter him? Like he kind of laughed
Speaker 9: about it, like he's not one of those guys and
Speaker 9: the pretty boy guys, whereas like, oh my hair matters.
Speaker 3: He don't care, Like honestly, he didn't even care.
Speaker 1: Like to be real, I went to school at Oregon
Speaker 1: and he's from just right outside of a call where
Speaker 1: he's from spring Tucky, Springfield spreing Tucky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, lay cool, A bad guy man for sure.
Speaker 1: More pressure facing Keenan in the finals of a Madden
Speaker 1: tournament or throwing out the first pitch at a Dodger game.
Speaker 9: Man that pitch for sure, man, because like, you want
Speaker 9: to get to that mound so bad.
Speaker 3: You just don't want it to bounce, You don't want
Speaker 3: it to hap, and.
Speaker 9: It's real fans out there, so you just trying to
Speaker 9: just prove a point that you can get the ball
Speaker 9: down there.
Speaker 3: So I say, throwing that pitch for sure?
Speaker 5: What happened the first time?
Speaker 9: See my first time, I thought I had enough strength,
Speaker 9: you know, I didn't want to overthrow and go. I
Speaker 9: see some crazy videos before I went out. Dang on,
Speaker 9: I've seen some crazy videos of fifty cent and different
Speaker 9: guys throwing the ball crazy, So I say, that can't
Speaker 9: be me.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to get my throat right. So the
Speaker 3: second time it was a little bit better.
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, for sure, And that's I think that's it,
Speaker 1: because I was going to ask you about that Herbert
Speaker 1: haircut later, but you already.
Speaker 5: Got to that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, man, they yeah, I was in the safe man,
Speaker 9: I was. I was hot by that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all Oregon.
Speaker 3: Man, they looked it looked good.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I was hot about that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: How early did you know he was special?
Speaker 9: The first first day I seen him? First day, first day,
Speaker 9: literally the first week. I remember going home telling my mom,
Speaker 9: telling my dad, I'm like, man, we got a real
Speaker 9: quarterback and.
Speaker 3: He's going to be very nice.
Speaker 9: Because when I just see him just going against the
Speaker 9: second group and just making the throws he was making,
Speaker 9: I'm like, he's not. The ball not supposed to be
Speaker 9: whistling like that. I mean the ball was making like
Speaker 9: when he throws some of the throws like it makes
Speaker 9: the sound. The ball was making noise like man, and
Speaker 9: everything was accurate. Everything was on the money. He's he's
Speaker 9: looking off the safeties. It's very rare you see a
Speaker 9: quarterback in especially a rookie quarterback come in and he's
Speaker 9: looking off the safety.
Speaker 3: He's not staring down the receiver.
Speaker 9: I'm talking about first week, So I'm like, man, this
Speaker 9: guy's gonna be really good. And he didn't have no
Speaker 9: OTAs or rookie minniicap. He just came straight in and
Speaker 9: did that. That's what's more impressive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he bowled right away.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like, man, hey, you're starting, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 9: go play football. So it's like, that's what I liked
Speaker 9: about him. I mean, he he came right in. He
Speaker 9: didn't he didn't look shook or nothing.
Speaker 5: So well, good luck.
Speaker 1: I think you guys are gonna be I mean, you
Speaker 1: guys have all the pieces.
Speaker 5: You're gonna be able to put it together.
Speaker 1: And yeah, sliding in the d MS with some questions,
Speaker 1: some real inappropriate ones we did not put in here.
Speaker 2: So let's hit ask me anythings, Marty.
Speaker 6: Okay, we've got Did the Sixers get played by the
Speaker 6: Rockets and the James Harden trade talks?
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you fucking think a little bit?
Speaker 2: I mean made me look pretty silly to.
Speaker 1: Tillman, as I would call him salty for Tata obviously
Speaker 1: has a beef with Daryl Mory. Darryl Moury went and
Speaker 1: decided to get involved in some geopolitical issues, costing the
Speaker 1: NBA in the Rockets a shitload of money, and then decided,
Speaker 1: I would like to poach your greatest star.
Speaker 2: And we all believed that was possible.
Speaker 1: And obviously Tilman for Totta did not forget that Daryl
Speaker 1: Morray did all that and that he left.
Speaker 2: Who knows was he fired? Did he leave on his own?
Speaker 2: Who knows? The relationship didn't end well?
Speaker 1: So he decided, I'm going to use my relationship with
Speaker 1: Darryl Morray pretend it's all good, like Game.
Speaker 2: Of Throne style. We're good. Let me try to get
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons, mattis Steibel, Matt.
Speaker 1: Tyree's MAXI make it look like the Sixers were willing
Speaker 1: to give up the farm, and then the Nets gave
Speaker 1: up more. Do you think that that they didn't even
Speaker 1: call the Sixers back. The Sixers thought that they had
Speaker 1: a deal done, and then there was a new article
Speaker 1: that came out this weekend. It was like Sixers thought
Speaker 1: that there was a deal done and then the Rockets
Speaker 1: didn't call them back, and then the then shams was
Speaker 1: like hardened to the Nets. Yikes for Tata salty as fuck.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 6: Okay, we've got were we all a little too early
Speaker 6: on the Tray Young hype train?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, can you blame us? Though?
Speaker 1: Like I love seeing electric players do things that we
Speaker 1: haven't seen in a while.
Speaker 2: I like watching guys.
Speaker 4: Get nutmegged, especially when they're new new.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're hoping for the next best thing, the next
Speaker 1: big thing. And you know, obviously the Luca trade with Trey,
Speaker 1: those two are now inextricably linked.
Speaker 2: And then he's coming out ballin and everyone loves a bomber.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves a guy that just chucks up shots, especially
Speaker 1: what he's making them. But you know who doesn't like him,
Speaker 1: You know who's not a fan of mad bombers.
Speaker 2: Fucking John Collins.
Speaker 1: He is like, yo, yo, yo, yo, Hey, we got
Speaker 1: to make some shots here, some high quality shots here.
Speaker 1: And I think he has a point because ever since
Speaker 1: Steve Nash said that when Trey Young was doing was
Speaker 1: not basketball, his production, I don't know what happened. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a coincidence, but as soon as Steve Nash said
Speaker 1: what Treyong is doing is not basketball, Treyong fell off
Speaker 1: a cliff. He was averaging thirty three points a game
Speaker 1: in his first five points eighteen point three in his
Speaker 1: next five. The crazy thing is it's at a lower percentage.
Speaker 1: He's shooting more shots at a lower percentage. Yikes. Not great.
Speaker 1: Not saying he's not a fun player, but I would
Speaker 1: say that he is an inn pover man Steph Curry,
Speaker 1: who is fucked up to say I love Trey Young,
Speaker 1: but it's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, Next we have what has happened to the Raps?
Speaker 4: The Rap Tours.
Speaker 2: He's referring to the raps. What happened to you? Raps? Yo?
Speaker 2: MTV Raps.
Speaker 1: The Raptors actually are not as bad as you think. Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They've lost only four games by five,
Speaker 1: two games by one point, so they've been competitive. It's
Speaker 1: tough losing Gasol and Ibaka. Those guys were cleaning up boards.
Speaker 1: They could do multiple things. They could play outside, they
Speaker 1: could play inside, they could switch everything.
Speaker 2: They were obviously.
Speaker 1: Former All Stars, cornerstone pieces on championship teams.
Speaker 2: You lose two big men, Abaca hurts.
Speaker 1: You see what Obaca's doing now on the Clippers, and
Speaker 1: you're like, god, damn, I bet the Raptors wish they
Speaker 1: had him.
Speaker 2: Marcus al as much.
Speaker 1: But the problem is also that Pascal Siakam seems to
Speaker 1: be not even a robin. That boy is regressing the least,
Speaker 1: the less pieces he has on his team, the less
Speaker 1: he steps up.
Speaker 2: So his season hasn't been great.
Speaker 1: I love Pascal Siakam's game, but it hasn't been it
Speaker 1: hasn't been consistent. On the plus side, I would say
Speaker 1: they've got Nick nurse and Masayu jury, so they're elite.
Speaker 1: They're gonna find new guys. They're gonna develop new guys.
Speaker 1: They like to find those gritty like undervalued players that
Speaker 1: are ready to compete now, like the Fred van Vlietz,
Speaker 1: the Kyle Lowry's guys who have chips on their shoulder.
Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna be fine, just doesn't appear
Speaker 1: to be this season. I think they'll probably make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but they're not even close to contention.
Speaker 6: Okay, did kd ruin his legacy because if he went
Speaker 6: another chip, it's on an overly stacked team.
Speaker 1: Again, why do people hate Katie so much? They hold
Speaker 1: him to a standard that only Lebron gets held to
Speaker 1: Batman Batman get held to the upper That's another way
Speaker 1: that you can decide who's a Batman and who's a
Speaker 1: robin if you need to. If people every time you win,
Speaker 1: people want to discount your win, Yeah, batman. They want
Speaker 1: you to literally have just Eric Snow on your team
Speaker 1: and win it all. Where it's like Eric Snow and
Speaker 1: like Matthew della Vedova, I'm gonna go cross teams, Tristan
Speaker 1: Thompson and like a hobbled Kevin Love and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yes, Sasha Pavlovitch exactly shout out to Kobe.
Speaker 2: Kobe was a Batman.
Speaker 1: So I think it's possible that if Katie would not
Speaker 1: have left, Okay, see, they could have done it.
Speaker 2: They obviously were up three to one on the Warriors.
Speaker 1: The Warriors don't have Kdkd's on OKC. I think you've
Speaker 1: got a battle for multiple years to come, but ultimately
Speaker 1: obviously wanted to play a different style of basketball.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think his legacy is fine. I think it has
Speaker 1: now been proven, based on the earlier segment that you
Speaker 1: need multiple superstars to win a ring, have to.
Speaker 2: So no, I think Kevin Durant's legacy is just fine.
Speaker 4: Yep, Okay, this is interesting.
Speaker 6: If you could build a team around one player right now,
Speaker 6: who would it be.
Speaker 1: It's a tough question because there's a ton that goes
Speaker 1: into it. Is it a guy that you just want
Speaker 1: to create a team around for this year and win
Speaker 1: a ring that's obvious. Is it a guy that is
Speaker 1: to build for the future, some young, young, young guy.
Speaker 1: Is it a guy that you think has good leadership?
Speaker 1: If you had to create someone as a combination of
Speaker 1: all of those things, this guy flies way way under
Speaker 1: the radar. Buckets Jimmy Buckets as.
Speaker 4: Your one player. Yeah wow, let.
Speaker 1: Me say this hot take, clutch, culture, builder, leadership. I
Speaker 1: immediately choose Butler. He's thirty one, so he's not that old.
Speaker 1: He immediately adds fifteen to twenty wins to any roster
Speaker 1: he goes on. Sure, he can put a team on
Speaker 1: his back in a game seven. He makes all of
Speaker 1: his teammates better as long as they're willing to work.
Speaker 1: Sorry Karl Anthony Towns, Sorry Andrew Wiggins, you were not
Speaker 1: willing to work. Immediately came into Miami and made them
Speaker 1: a contender. Miami didn't even make the playoffs two years ago.
Speaker 1: Came in, went to the finals. Yeah, you can say
Speaker 1: bam Adebayo got was impressive and he took another step up.
Speaker 1: You could say that Tyler Hero was impressive as a
Speaker 1: rookie and who knew what he was going to be
Speaker 1: able to do. But you could also say that Jimmy
Speaker 1: Buckets was a part of that, and bam Adebio would
Speaker 1: say that too. He has said that they were a
Speaker 1: fucking buzzsaw on the Timberwolves. Thirty wins to forty seven wins.
Speaker 1: That's a twenty five percent improvement. Miami went from a
Speaker 1: forty seven percent percentage to a sixty percent win percentage.
Speaker 1: That's thirty percent better as soon as he got on
Speaker 1: the roster and they had Kendrick g League Nunn starting that. Also,
Speaker 1: that rise was also Jimmy Buckets. Obviously, I am a
Speaker 1: massive Jimmy Buckets fan, But who really can do that
Speaker 1: besides Lebron.
Speaker 2: But Lebron is thirty six, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ad I guess, but he's also got coming off of
Speaker 1: multiple injuries. Liz Frank Achilles, Jimmy Buckets is a fucking
Speaker 1: iron man.
Speaker 2: So that's that's my answer.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, this one's a little more disagree. I
Speaker 4: don't disagree at all.
Speaker 6: I mean that run was absolutely incredible, and I bet
Speaker 6: against them, like every single series of that. I was like,
Speaker 6: Jimmy Butler is the best team on a as the
Speaker 6: best player on a team can't win a conference Like
Speaker 6: I was just adamant of that, and he proved me wrong.
Speaker 6: So I yeah, no, I can't disagree with you one
Speaker 6: bit there. Okay, who can beat the Lakers?
Speaker 2: God, you must have lost a lot of money on that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I did. I did not have a good playoffs.
Speaker 1: Who can beat the Lakers? I mean, I think this
Speaker 1: is a pretty good transition, isn't it. Miami Heat. I
Speaker 1: think the problem with the Heat last playoffs was that
Speaker 1: they just weren't healthy. You had bam Adebayo come in
Speaker 1: and out of that lineup. You had Dragas he was injured.
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Buckets, I think he was injured. I
Speaker 1: think all of those guys, they was like whack them all.
Speaker 1: One guy would come in and another one would go down.
Speaker 1: I think they've got sharpshooters, They've got Jimmy, They've got
Speaker 1: pat Riley's organization. They've got in my opinion, here's another
Speaker 1: hot take. The best head coach in the NBA and
Speaker 1: Eric Spolstra don't think it's close.
Speaker 3: It might be.
Speaker 4: It might be close. I like Nick Nurse a lot too,
Speaker 4: But I think Spoe is incredible.
Speaker 1: Spo has done it with Scrubs. Yep, that Dwayne Wade
Speaker 1: Heat team. Ah, folks, I am all about this squad.
Speaker 1: I think if they can get stay healthy and they're
Speaker 1: already having problems, if they can stay healthy, this thing
Speaker 1: goes seven with the Lakers and then it's like.
Speaker 2: A tass up?
Speaker 4: Gotcha?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Okay, moving on? Uh? We have does beal for Ben
Speaker 4: Simmons make both teams better?
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is uh, I was thinking about Bradley.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about Uh sorry, let me start again.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is I was thinking about Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons and Russell Westbrook because that trade has been circulating.
Speaker 2: Beal for for Simmons, and.
Speaker 1: I think there may not be two players more comparable
Speaker 1: to one another than Russell Westbrook and Ben Simmons. The
Speaker 1: only these are guys that are free cast athletes. They
Speaker 1: try hard on every possession. They can get rebounds, they
Speaker 1: can defend, they can get out on the.
Speaker 2: Break and do insane things around the rim.
Speaker 1: They are complete players except for one little thing Neither
Speaker 1: one of them can fucking shoot. The difference is the
Speaker 1: big key difference is that Russ is happy to shoot.
Speaker 1: He's happy to chuck up twenty five shots a game
Speaker 1: if he needs to. Ben Simmons will not shoot. So
Speaker 1: can you imagine can you imagine in your heart of
Speaker 1: hearts what a team would look like with Ben Simmons
Speaker 1: and Russell Westbrook on it in Washington, DC?
Speaker 2: I mean, that would be disgusting.
Speaker 1: That would be maybe one of the most difficult teams
Speaker 1: to watch in the NBA.
Speaker 2: It would make Philly for sure better.
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal, Tyrese Maxey opening up the floor for Joel Embiid,
Speaker 1: Tobias Harris getting off. Yes, for sure, I do not
Speaker 1: see Washington pulling the trigger on this trade whatsoever.
Speaker 6: It would be so much dribbling. Okay, who can the
Speaker 6: Bulls bring in to make them a contender?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a delusional fan that thinks that
Speaker 1: the Bulls will contend anytime soon. They don't even have
Speaker 1: one star. They don't even have half of a star.
Speaker 1: They have what they have.
Speaker 2: Zach Lavine.
Speaker 1: Who, oh my god, If you watch very closely, zach
Speaker 1: Lavine loses the Chicago Bulls quite a bunch of games.
Speaker 1: He's fun to watch, but he is He's not the
Speaker 1: one Wendell Carter getting just hidden there.
Speaker 2: Who did they draft? They drafted?
Speaker 4: I don't even remember Patrick Williams.
Speaker 2: Yes, inexplicable.
Speaker 1: This guy's averaging like ten points a game as the
Speaker 1: number four pick in the NBA.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I do think he's something, but he's not that thing
Speaker 6: yet something. He's not that thing yet he's something.
Speaker 2: He is a lifelong journey man, is what he is.
Speaker 2: And no one saw it coming for a reason.
Speaker 1: And this team and this city, no city has leaned
Speaker 1: on being a storied franchise quite like Chicago. Chicago Bears,
Speaker 1: eighty five Bears, Let's go, let's play the old commercials.
Speaker 1: Let's do this a Michael Jordan dude, that was the
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's championship was in ninety eight, twenty two years ago.
Speaker 1: Eighty five Bears thirty five years ago. Almost no one
Speaker 1: on this Bulls team even remembers has any conception of
Speaker 1: the Bulls ever winning a ring. So I think they
Speaker 1: are a long way from being a contender.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Go get Katie and Quiet, go see
Speaker 2: what you can do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll probably if they do that.
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