WEBVTT - #520 Packers Unscripted: Burning questions at the combine

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted and welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL Scouting Combine. We are here at the Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>Convention Center in downtown Indianapolis from Packers dot Com. I

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<v Speaker 1>am Mike Spoffor, joined by Wes Hodkowitz and Larry McCarron Fellas.

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<v Speaker 1>We've gotten about three quarters of the way through this

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<v Speaker 1>annual extravaganza here and the number one question I think

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<v Speaker 1>from Packers fans hasn't gone away. What are the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>going to do at wide receiver this offseason? Heading into

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<v Speaker 1>Davante Adams at the top of the heap, and then

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<v Speaker 1>no one really knows how it's going to sort itself

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<v Speaker 1>out after that. The wide receiver prospects talked to the

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<v Speaker 1>media a couple of days ago. We got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to be involved in some of those interviews. Any guys

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<v Speaker 1>that that stand out to you or have you've gotten

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<v Speaker 1>any sense maybe of what direction the Packs might go

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<v Speaker 1>here in the off season In terms of sense, not really,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna find out exactly what they think of what

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<v Speaker 1>they have and what they could potentially add to that group.

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<v Speaker 1>More often than not, over the last fifteen years, there

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<v Speaker 1>has been a receiver prospect that has been added during

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<v Speaker 1>one of those three days. But what I really find

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing about this receiver draft class. Everybody talks about how

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<v Speaker 1>deep it is, and it really reminds me of last

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<v Speaker 1>year with the tight ends, where there were so many

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<v Speaker 1>of them. There were so many that we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>the first two days that you just figured the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>filling a need there could potentially go down that road,

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<v Speaker 1>and they ultimately did with Jay Sternberger getting drafted seventy fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>the highest the Packers had taken that tight end in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen years or whatever it was. I think this receiver

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<v Speaker 1>class is very similar in terms of they could go

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<v Speaker 1>for one at thirty. There's probably gonna be a good

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<v Speaker 1>one there in the second round too. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to wait to the third round? Maybe find the next

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<v Speaker 1>James Jones there as well. So when I look at

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<v Speaker 1>this class, Larry had so many good astute observations the

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<v Speaker 1>past few days and some of these smaller type receivers

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<v Speaker 1>that could fit a slot. If the Packers choose to

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<v Speaker 1>keep going with these bigger guys though, and if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to go in the first round, maybe a guy

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<v Speaker 1>like Tee Higgins ultimately ends up being there in the

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<v Speaker 1>later rounds or the later first round, or or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a trade up to get him. I just I've been

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<v Speaker 1>really intrigued by his size, his playmaking abilities. Six ft four,

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<v Speaker 1>he's lean, and I just, you know, listening to him

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<v Speaker 1>talk at the podium, how confident he is. He feels

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<v Speaker 1>like his height and the way he utilizes that is

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<v Speaker 1>what separates him from the pack and makes him the

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<v Speaker 1>best receiver in this class. And for that reason, he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the guy I've had my eye on all week.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing about wide receivers, Packer history says that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to take one in the first round. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Jordy, We're talking about Jennings, We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Randall Cobb, We're talking about Davante Adams. You do not

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<v Speaker 1>have to go up and get one in round one.

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<v Speaker 1>So should the Packers not address the wide receiver position

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<v Speaker 1>in the first day of the draft. Don't worry about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and all could still be on the way. Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>And the mix that you mentioned, how deep everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this wide receiver classes. The mix of guys

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting. You mentioned obviously te Higgins, his size. There

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<v Speaker 1>are these other guys kJ Hamler from Penn State, Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>Reagor from TCU. They're the smaller guys, the sub six

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<v Speaker 1>footers that Larry talked about earlier. They could be the

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<v Speaker 1>slot guys, although they don't like to be pegged as

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<v Speaker 1>slot guys. They're like, hey, you can line me up anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you also have I don't like to call

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<v Speaker 1>them tweeners because that becomes, you know, kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>negative connotation. But a guy like Levisca Channault from Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I'm saying that correctly, and uh and Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>Au from Arizona State. These guys are right around six feet,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're two hundred and ten two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two twenty plus pounds. So those guys maybe can

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<v Speaker 1>line up anywhere. They they become the versatile pieces like

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<v Speaker 1>a Davante Adams is. So I think they're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of options out there for the Packers, as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, maybe in the first round, maybe in the

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<v Speaker 1>second round or the third round where they got a

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<v Speaker 1>guy like Jay Sternberger that they're developing for down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad you pointed that out because we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>this more and more. If you're a slot guy, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times they're asking to do things outside. Another

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<v Speaker 1>guy that comes to mind immediately is Bama's Henry Ruggs,

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<v Speaker 1>the third. He's five ft eleven. I mean, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that I think kind of projects more like that

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Jennings type that, Yeah, you can move him around,

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<v Speaker 1>but he can live and actually produce outside if you

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<v Speaker 1>want him to be there. I just there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>prospects in this draft that gives so many intriguing skill

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<v Speaker 1>sets that I feel like the Packers and in Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Goodicos wherever they want to address this, if they addressed it,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna find somebody that could potentially fit in here

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<v Speaker 1>and contribute. He go back to two years ago. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't anticipate them drafting three receivers. They went that route

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<v Speaker 1>last year. They felt content that they didn't need to.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing I keep going back to, and Larry's right,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to do this in the first round,

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<v Speaker 1>but it has been six years now since the last

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<v Speaker 1>time they took Davante Adams in the second There's sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>is a caliber of prospect that you find some traits

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<v Speaker 1>that you find in those early rounds that aren't always

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<v Speaker 1>there in the middle. That's why I'm intrigued to see

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<v Speaker 1>if that potentially could be the if this could be

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<v Speaker 1>the year where they finally dip back into the second

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe even the third to find a guy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be interesting, guys. Is how the draft falls.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're talking about the first round. There's been projections

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<v Speaker 1>where as many as a half a dozen wide receivers

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<v Speaker 1>get selected in the first round, and you're wondering how teams,

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<v Speaker 1>how the other teams are gonna play it. Are they

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<v Speaker 1>thinking we're gonna jump in and get our guy or

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<v Speaker 1>are we gonna hold back because it is so deep

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<v Speaker 1>and talent at that position. Are we going to hold

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<v Speaker 1>back or is that going to be a situation when

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<v Speaker 1>one goes off the board, Zaff, then you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>another five off the board real quick, because hey, now

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta go get our guy. It'll be interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>every draft has its own personality. Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>And and as we get into draft night in late April,

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<v Speaker 1>in that first round, teams don't necessarily they have their guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't know how many other teams have that

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<v Speaker 1>same guy, And how much do you believe in that

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<v Speaker 1>guy over somebody else? What what's the courage of your conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak, to make the move. But you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Jordy Nelson that what is that twelve years ago two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight, the Packers actually traded back out of

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<v Speaker 1>the first round, went down six spots, and then took

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson at the top of the second round. He becomes

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Packers all time greats. Yeah, it is

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<v Speaker 1>funny though. I'm glad Larry mentioned that. Watching how those

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<v Speaker 1>trends play out. I mean, it isn't quite like fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>football where it's okay, everybody starts taking a defense, so

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta grab one. But you do see these things happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go back to last year now TJ. Hockinson.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody thought he was probably gonna be a top ten talent.

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<v Speaker 1>But you and I when we were going through the

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<v Speaker 1>interview process with these guys, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people thought, no, a fan was maybe borderline first round,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the end of the first round, and then look

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<v Speaker 1>where he ended up going, because well, are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get that guy at number three? Those

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<v Speaker 1>are the things that we don't know today and even

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<v Speaker 1>maybe up until three hours before the draft, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in April or whatever it is, GMS aren't even gonna

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<v Speaker 1>know it. Then Yeah, Well, if there is another question

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<v Speaker 1>that is out there on the fans minds that hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gone away, it's what are the packer is going to

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<v Speaker 1>do about the run defense? That was obviously a big

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<v Speaker 1>letdown in the NFC Championship game against San Francisco. So

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<v Speaker 1>earlier today, before we turned on the cameras here, we

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<v Speaker 1>heard from defensive linemen and linebackers. They were the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who were meeting the media. So I'll just throw this

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Any guys that you heard from Wes that

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<v Speaker 1>that pique your interest a little bit for any reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can sit there and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>Kenneth Murray talk for four minutes and not be impressed

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<v Speaker 1>with him and how he carries himself. He recounted a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic story in terms of where he comes from, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things that his family has gone through,

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<v Speaker 1>and even you know as recently, I mean he recounted

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<v Speaker 1>a story about, you know, saving this woman's life on

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the road. I mean, like, but more

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<v Speaker 1>than that, this is a guy that is a fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>football player. He actually played with Curtis Bolton, had a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to play with him a little bit a year ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and not a bad player in his own right. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and Kenneth actually uh said some really nice

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<v Speaker 1>things about Bowl and what potentially he could be once

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<v Speaker 1>he gets past this knee injury with the pack. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's just something about Oklahoma linebackers that I've always

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of taken a liking to, a grittiness, a toughness,

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<v Speaker 1>and athleticism that they just seemed to find in that

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<v Speaker 1>conference and really brings the best out of him. In Murray,

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you look at this year's draft class,

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<v Speaker 1>guys that could be potential difference makers from day one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no scout. No one's asking me to join the

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<v Speaker 1>personnel department, but I just I've been I think his

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<v Speaker 1>intangibles and what is required from that inside linebacker position

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<v Speaker 1>in he checks a lot of boxes. I've watched both

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<v Speaker 1>Murray and Patrick Queen from l s U on tape

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<v Speaker 1>because at the very least it is a position of

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<v Speaker 1>interest for the Green Bay Packers. And I didn't grind

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<v Speaker 1>miles of it as yet, but I ground enough to see,

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<v Speaker 1>Queen seemed to have a lot of ability athletically and

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<v Speaker 1>he could do some nice things. However, he wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>constant presence, at least not in the video I saw. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>by what I saw, he has a potential to be

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<v Speaker 1>that presence. What I'm telling Murray, that kid has got

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<v Speaker 1>some snap, crackle and pop in his game. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>when he runs into folks, things happen. He is an

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<v Speaker 1>impact player. He's not a contact guy. He's a collision guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can get all over the field. Very impressed

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<v Speaker 1>with that young man. Yeah. Well, and Kenneth Murray too.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to give people a quick recap and though there's

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<v Speaker 1>a story on packers dot com that I'm working on

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<v Speaker 1>as far as as far as Murray's background, his parents

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<v Speaker 1>adopted three special needs children and they've obviously had a

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<v Speaker 1>huge impact on his life. And as West said, he

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be kind of a witness to a car

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<v Speaker 1>accident and end up giving a bleeding woman's CPR and

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<v Speaker 1>and got her revived before the paramedics arrived. This was

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<v Speaker 1>driving home from church with his girlfriend, you know, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Which it was on a Sunday, like right after one

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<v Speaker 1>of Oklahoma's games. So just a lot of really really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting pieces to his story. But you mentioned Patrick Queen

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<v Speaker 1>from l s U and what you saw on tape,

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<v Speaker 1>and what I liked about what I heard from Queen

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<v Speaker 1>at the podium is that he said, Hey, there are

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<v Speaker 1>people out there who are questioning my ability to stop

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<v Speaker 1>the run, and he wants to He wants to prove that.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to prove that he can be that guy

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL. And you know how this is Larry.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes self awareness is at least half the battle. If

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<v Speaker 1>he knows what he's got to work and you can't

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<v Speaker 1>walk around with you and I'm wonderful, I'm perfect, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest thing since slice bread. When you're not, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to address your shortcomings and trust me, almost

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<v Speaker 1>every football players, yeah, absolutely, and and he's he's aware

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Now up in the defensive front here, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Packers also going to be going to be

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<v Speaker 1>looking at defensive It's it's a position you want to

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<v Speaker 1>add in just about every draft at point right now

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<v Speaker 1>where the Packers address it again, like these other positions

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, first round, second round, third round, But

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys West that are, you know, six ft two,

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<v Speaker 1>six ft three and they're three ten three twenty And

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what they're testing numbers are later in the week,

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<v Speaker 1>but all indications are there's a lot of athleticism. But

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<v Speaker 1>these guys who can line up between the tackles, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and stop the run and rush the passer with that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of size, well, and that was kind of my

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<v Speaker 1>biggest takeaway from the morning session with the defensive lineman. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have exactly all these names for you in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of that position, but the wide variety of body

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<v Speaker 1>types that are infiltrating the NFL at this point. I

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<v Speaker 1>look at Rob Winsor, who's actually from Fondilac played at

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<v Speaker 1>Penn State. He's up there at six four pounds. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how much body fat that kid has on him,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe eight percent. I mean, he just looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>complete physical specimen and then you see something. But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean just it's those type of players that are becoming

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<v Speaker 1>more prevalent, especially in those three tech positions. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>he isn't your traditional three pounder, um, you know, some

0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.079
<v Speaker 1>of these guys go at six to three pounds but

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<v Speaker 1>they find the leverage that they can, you know, be

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<v Speaker 1>able to really make an impact inside, and you still

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<v Speaker 1>have you're tried in true three pounders that are just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to take on your double teams, phil

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<v Speaker 1>gaps and be productive against the run. The Packers, I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you go back. I think it's twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>consecutive years they've drafted a defensive lineman. Now it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>you have ten picks right now. You can almost bet

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that you're probably gonna get another one.

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<v Speaker 1>So seeing what they're looking for, because there's been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of outside sentiment right now that you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>need a Howard Green, they need a Ryan pick it back,

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<v Speaker 1>they need a guy that can sit down there and

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<v Speaker 1>anchor the way they did ten years ago. When teams

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<v Speaker 1>are running as much as they were. Do you go

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<v Speaker 1>that route or do you try to find another another

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Clark type body that can do at all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I was going to say, is the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>found Kenny Clark at six in the draft a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. And for all the needs that the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>have and everything that we're talking about, if there's another

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Clark, who's there at thirty and you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to make a trade or give up any other picks

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<v Speaker 1>to get that guy. I think that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>guy that's going to be difficult to pass on for

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<v Speaker 1>this defense. Oh absolutely. And something as far as what

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers have coming back up front, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts Dean Lowry who are signed to an extension and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth, and tighter Lancaster the Northwestern tandem. How many

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<v Speaker 1>teams have two defensive linement from Northwestern. It's gotta be

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<v Speaker 1>gott to be a new intercollegiate record. But anyway, I

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<v Speaker 1>think those guys are both coming off seasons where they

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<v Speaker 1>had their moments, but they weren't as consistent as they

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<v Speaker 1>have been previously. Now there is tape, it's out there

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<v Speaker 1>that they can play to a certain standard, which they've

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<v Speaker 1>done in the past. And I think both guys that

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<v Speaker 1>they were perfectly honest, wou'd hey, I can play a

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<v Speaker 1>little better on a consistent basis. Both of them had

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<v Speaker 1>their moments. I could dig up the tape and show

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<v Speaker 1>you and say, hey, this is great stuff, as good

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<v Speaker 1>as it gets, but they weren't as consistent as you

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<v Speaker 1>would hope for, or they would hope for so that's

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<v Speaker 1>a possible area of improvement for the Green Bay Packers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's be honest to Mike. I mean, how often

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<v Speaker 1>is it that a rookie defensive lineman comes in and

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<v Speaker 1>just lights the world on fire. Kenny Clark, it took

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<v Speaker 1>all of his rookie year to start finding his groove.

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<v Speaker 1>It's improvement that's going to have to come from within.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Lowry after getting the extension. It's Lancaster after becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a player montrevious. Adams is still in this conversation. Two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, looked like he was on the come up.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year it was a little bit more tougher footing

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<v Speaker 1>for him to get going. And then I thought, really

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<v Speaker 1>Kingsley Kiki came on late last season as well. The

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<v Speaker 1>guy played nine defensive snaps and had thirteen tackles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>getting him more opportunities in that rotation pretty big. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing about Ki Ki, he has got something that is

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<v Speaker 1>really difficult to coach up and teach. He has an

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<v Speaker 1>for getting on the edge and being slippery. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>as much holding and stuff that goes on, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to get ahold of guys like Kames Lee kick he's

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<v Speaker 1>just got that knack and it's hard to describe, but

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<v Speaker 1>he slips people. And the thing about it is, ideally

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<v Speaker 1>you're just not taking up space and filling your gap.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing a little more like you're doing your responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>and then having the wherewithal and the athletic ability to

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<v Speaker 1>go make a play. That's when you start playing real

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<v Speaker 1>good defensive lying and those are the type of things

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<v Speaker 1>the packers are looking for. Kiki and the other guys. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you talk about guys whose arrows are pointing up,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak, I'll just throw a couple of names

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<v Speaker 1>out there, excuse me. Ross Blacklock from TCU. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who actually lost the two thousand eighteen season

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<v Speaker 1>two a torn achilles. He worked out and got himself

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<v Speaker 1>back through rehab in seven months from a torn achilles,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an injury that can take guys up to

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<v Speaker 1>a year to come back from. He's got a really

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<v Speaker 1>good story too as far as the backs or another one,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll mention Marlon Davidson from Auburn, another big defensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a guy he calls himself country Strong. He

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<v Speaker 1>uhum made a promise to his mother, his late mother,

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in school, finished school before he becomes an

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<v Speaker 1>NFL player, wants to take care of his family financially,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of that. He said he didn't really work

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<v Speaker 1>out his first three years at Auburn. His final year

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<v Speaker 1>at Auburn, his bench press went from two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five pounds to three hundred and ninety five pounds

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<v Speaker 1>in one year. Because you know, some of these guys

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<v Speaker 1>have that ability to just keep getting better. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>the kinds of guys that that that are definitely going

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<v Speaker 1>to catch attention of of scouts and personnel people. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love Marlon. Listen to him talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>at the podium. There are certain guys that go up

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<v Speaker 1>there and you can see the hunger in their belly,

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<v Speaker 1>the fire in their belly that they want not only

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good football player, but there's people back

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<v Speaker 1>home that are counting on them, that want them to

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<v Speaker 1>succeed and need them to succeed. And I really got

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<v Speaker 1>that flavor from him, in addition to having a really

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<v Speaker 1>neat personality that seems like, you know, in based on

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<v Speaker 1>everything I've read, you know, a good fit for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of locker rooms. One other thing to keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind as we're discussing the Packers getting better up front.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very good year for interior defensive players

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<v Speaker 1>as far as free agency goers, and that class, that

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<v Speaker 1>group of soon to be free agents is led by

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Jones from Kransas City. There's no way they're letting

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<v Speaker 1>that dude go, not a chance. But it is outside

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<v Speaker 1>of him, it's still a pretty good group. So who

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<v Speaker 1>knows how things will fall as this offseason transpire. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a lot of transactions taking place

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL between the middle of March and then

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<v Speaker 1>late April when the Draft rolls around. But with that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to call it a wrap on this edition

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<v Speaker 1>of Packers Unscripted and a wrap for now from the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL Scouting Combine. Thanks for watching, everybody, for Larry and Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike. We will see you next time.