1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted and welcome back to 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine. We are here at the Indiana 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: Convention Center in downtown Indianapolis from Packers dot Com. I 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: am Mike Spoffor, joined by Wes Hodkowitz and Larry McCarron Fellas. 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: We've gotten about three quarters of the way through this 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: annual extravaganza here and the number one question I think 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: from Packers fans hasn't gone away. What are the Packers 8 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: going to do at wide receiver this offseason? Heading into 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Davante Adams at the top of the heap, and then 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: no one really knows how it's going to sort itself 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: out after that. The wide receiver prospects talked to the 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: media a couple of days ago. We got a chance 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: to be involved in some of those interviews. Any guys 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: that that stand out to you or have you've gotten 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: any sense maybe of what direction the Packs might go 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: here in the off season In terms of sense, not really, 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna find out exactly what they think of what 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: they have and what they could potentially add to that group. 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: More often than not, over the last fifteen years, there 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: has been a receiver prospect that has been added during 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: one of those three days. But what I really find 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: intriguing about this receiver draft class. Everybody talks about how 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: deep it is, and it really reminds me of last 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: year with the tight ends, where there were so many 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: of them. There were so many that we're gonna go 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: the first two days that you just figured the Packers 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: filling a need there could potentially go down that road, 28 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: and they ultimately did with Jay Sternberger getting drafted seventy fifth, 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: the highest the Packers had taken that tight end in 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: eighteen years or whatever it was. I think this receiver 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: class is very similar in terms of they could go 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: for one at thirty. There's probably gonna be a good 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: one there in the second round too. Do you want 34 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: to wait to the third round? Maybe find the next 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: James Jones there as well. So when I look at 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: this class, Larry had so many good astute observations the 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: past few days and some of these smaller type receivers 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: that could fit a slot. If the Packers choose to 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: keep going with these bigger guys though, and if they 40 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: want to go in the first round, maybe a guy 41 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: like Tee Higgins ultimately ends up being there in the 42 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: later rounds or the later first round, or or maybe 43 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: a trade up to get him. I just I've been 44 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: really intrigued by his size, his playmaking abilities. Six ft four, 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: he's lean, and I just, you know, listening to him 46 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: talk at the podium, how confident he is. He feels 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: like his height and the way he utilizes that is 48 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: what separates him from the pack and makes him the 49 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: best receiver in this class. And for that reason, he's 50 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: kind of the guy I've had my eye on all week. 51 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: One thing about wide receivers, Packer history says that you 52 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: don't have to take one in the first round. We're 53 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: talking about Jordy, We're talking about Jennings, We're talking about 54 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, We're talking about Davante Adams. You do not 55 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: have to go up and get one in round one. 56 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: So should the Packers not address the wide receiver position 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: in the first day of the draft. Don't worry about it, 58 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: and all could still be on the way. Yeah. Absolutely. 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: And the mix that you mentioned, how deep everyone is 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: talking about this wide receiver classes. The mix of guys 61 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: is interesting. You mentioned obviously te Higgins, his size. There 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: are these other guys kJ Hamler from Penn State, Jalen 63 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: Reagor from TCU. They're the smaller guys, the sub six 64 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: footers that Larry talked about earlier. They could be the 65 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: slot guys, although they don't like to be pegged as 66 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: slot guys. They're like, hey, you can line me up anywhere, 67 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: but then you also have I don't like to call 68 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: them tweeners because that becomes, you know, kind of a 69 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: negative connotation. But a guy like Levisca Channault from Colorado, 70 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: I hope I'm saying that correctly, and uh and Brandon 71 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Au from Arizona State. These guys are right around six feet, 72 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: but they're two hundred and ten two hundred and twenty 73 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: maybe two twenty plus pounds. So those guys maybe can 74 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: line up anywhere. They they become the versatile pieces like 75 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: a Davante Adams is. So I think they're gonna be 76 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: a lot of options out there for the Packers, as 77 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: you said, maybe in the first round, maybe in the 78 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: second round or the third round where they got a 79 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: guy like Jay Sternberger that they're developing for down the road. 80 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you pointed that out because we're seeing 81 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: this more and more. If you're a slot guy, a 82 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: lot of times they're asking to do things outside. Another 83 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind immediately is Bama's Henry Ruggs, 84 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: the third. He's five ft eleven. I mean, he's a 85 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: guy that I think kind of projects more like that 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: Greg Jennings type that, Yeah, you can move him around, 87 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: but he can live and actually produce outside if you 88 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: want him to be there. I just there's so many 89 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: prospects in this draft that gives so many intriguing skill 90 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: sets that I feel like the Packers and in Brian 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: Goodicos wherever they want to address this, if they addressed it, 92 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna find somebody that could potentially fit in here 93 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: and contribute. He go back to two years ago. I 94 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: didn't anticipate them drafting three receivers. They went that route 95 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: last year. They felt content that they didn't need to. 96 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: But the thing I keep going back to, and Larry's right, 97 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: you don't need to do this in the first round, 98 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: but it has been six years now since the last 99 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: time they took Davante Adams in the second There's sometimes 100 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: is a caliber of prospect that you find some traits 101 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: that you find in those early rounds that aren't always 102 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: there in the middle. That's why I'm intrigued to see 103 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: if that potentially could be the if this could be 104 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: the year where they finally dip back into the second 105 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: or maybe even the third to find a guy. You know, 106 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting, guys. Is how the draft falls. 107 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: And you're talking about the first round. There's been projections 108 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: where as many as a half a dozen wide receivers 109 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: get selected in the first round, and you're wondering how teams, 110 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: how the other teams are gonna play it. Are they 111 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: thinking we're gonna jump in and get our guy or 112 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: are we gonna hold back because it is so deep 113 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: and talent at that position. Are we going to hold 114 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: back or is that going to be a situation when 115 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: one goes off the board, Zaff, then you're gonna get 116 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: another five off the board real quick, because hey, now 117 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: we gotta go get our guy. It'll be interesting because 118 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: every draft has its own personality. Yeah, I think so. 119 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: And and as we get into draft night in late April, 120 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: in that first round, teams don't necessarily they have their guy, 121 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: but they don't know how many other teams have that 122 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: same guy, And how much do you believe in that 123 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: guy over somebody else? What what's the courage of your conviction, 124 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: so to speak, to make the move. But you mentioned 125 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson that what is that twelve years ago two 126 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, the Packers actually traded back out of 127 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: the first round, went down six spots, and then took 128 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: Nelson at the top of the second round. He becomes 129 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: one of the Packers all time greats. Yeah, it is 130 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: funny though. I'm glad Larry mentioned that. Watching how those 131 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: trends play out. I mean, it isn't quite like fantasy 132 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: football where it's okay, everybody starts taking a defense, so 133 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: you gotta grab one. But you do see these things happen. 134 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: And I go back to last year now TJ. Hockinson. 135 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Everybody thought he was probably gonna be a top ten talent. 136 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: But you and I when we were going through the 137 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: interview process with these guys, I think a lot of 138 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: people thought, no, a fan was maybe borderline first round, 139 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: maybe the end of the first round, and then look 140 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: where he ended up going, because well, are you gonna 141 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: be able to get that guy at number three? Those 142 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: are the things that we don't know today and even 143 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: maybe up until three hours before the draft, you know, 144 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: in April or whatever it is, GMS aren't even gonna 145 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: know it. Then Yeah, Well, if there is another question 146 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: that is out there on the fans minds that hasn't 147 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: gone away, it's what are the packer is going to 148 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: do about the run defense? That was obviously a big 149 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: letdown in the NFC Championship game against San Francisco. So 150 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: earlier today, before we turned on the cameras here, we 151 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: heard from defensive linemen and linebackers. They were the ones 152 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: who were meeting the media. So I'll just throw this 153 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: out there. Any guys that you heard from Wes that 154 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: that pique your interest a little bit for any reason. 155 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't think you can sit there and listen to 156 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray talk for four minutes and not be impressed 157 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: with him and how he carries himself. He recounted a 158 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: fantastic story in terms of where he comes from, Uh, 159 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: some of the things that his family has gone through, 160 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: and even you know as recently, I mean he recounted 161 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: a story about, you know, saving this woman's life on 162 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: the side of the road. I mean, like, but more 163 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: than that, this is a guy that is a fantastic 164 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: football player. He actually played with Curtis Bolton, had a 165 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: chance to play with him a little bit a year ago, 166 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: and not a bad player in his own right. Absolutely, 167 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: and and and Kenneth actually uh said some really nice 168 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: things about Bowl and what potentially he could be once 169 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: he gets past this knee injury with the pack. Yeah. 170 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: And there's just something about Oklahoma linebackers that I've always 171 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: just kind of taken a liking to, a grittiness, a toughness, 172 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: and athleticism that they just seemed to find in that 173 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: conference and really brings the best out of him. In Murray, 174 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: I think when you look at this year's draft class, 175 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: guys that could be potential difference makers from day one. 176 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm no scout. No one's asking me to join the 177 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: personnel department, but I just I've been I think his 178 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: intangibles and what is required from that inside linebacker position 179 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: in he checks a lot of boxes. I've watched both 180 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: Murray and Patrick Queen from l s U on tape 181 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: because at the very least it is a position of 182 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: interest for the Green Bay Packers. And I didn't grind 183 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: miles of it as yet, but I ground enough to see, 184 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: Queen seemed to have a lot of ability athletically and 185 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: he could do some nice things. However, he wasn't a 186 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: constant presence, at least not in the video I saw. Certainly, 187 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: by what I saw, he has a potential to be 188 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: that presence. What I'm telling Murray, that kid has got 189 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: some snap, crackle and pop in his game. I mean 190 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: when he runs into folks, things happen. He is an 191 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: impact player. He's not a contact guy. He's a collision guy, 192 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: and he can get all over the field. Very impressed 193 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: with that young man. Yeah. Well, and Kenneth Murray too. 194 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: Just to give people a quick recap and though there's 195 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: a story on packers dot com that I'm working on 196 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: as far as as far as Murray's background, his parents 197 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: adopted three special needs children and they've obviously had a 198 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: huge impact on his life. And as West said, he 199 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: happened to be kind of a witness to a car 200 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: accident and end up giving a bleeding woman's CPR and 201 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: and got her revived before the paramedics arrived. This was 202 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: driving home from church with his girlfriend, you know, he said. 203 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: Which it was on a Sunday, like right after one 204 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma's games. So just a lot of really really 205 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: interesting pieces to his story. But you mentioned Patrick Queen 206 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: from l s U and what you saw on tape, 207 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: and what I liked about what I heard from Queen 208 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: at the podium is that he said, Hey, there are 209 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: people out there who are questioning my ability to stop 210 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: the run, and he wants to He wants to prove that. 211 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: He wants to prove that he can be that guy 212 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And you know how this is Larry. 213 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes self awareness is at least half the battle. If 214 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: he knows what he's got to work and you can't 215 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: walk around with you and I'm wonderful, I'm perfect, I'm 216 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: the greatest thing since slice bread. When you're not, I mean, 217 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: you have to address your shortcomings and trust me, almost 218 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: every football players, yeah, absolutely, and and he's he's aware 219 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: of that. Now up in the defensive front here, I 220 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: think the Packers also going to be going to be 221 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: looking at defensive It's it's a position you want to 222 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: add in just about every draft at point right now 223 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: where the Packers address it again, like these other positions 224 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about, first round, second round, third round, But 225 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: there are a lot of there are a lot of 226 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: these guys West that are, you know, six ft two, 227 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: six ft three and they're three ten three twenty And 228 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: we'll see what they're testing numbers are later in the week, 229 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: but all indications are there's a lot of athleticism. But 230 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: these guys who can line up between the tackles, you know, 231 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: and stop the run and rush the passer with that 232 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: kind of size, well, and that was kind of my 233 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: biggest takeaway from the morning session with the defensive lineman. No, 234 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't have exactly all these names for you in 235 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: terms of that position, but the wide variety of body 236 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: types that are infiltrating the NFL at this point. I 237 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: look at Rob Winsor, who's actually from Fondilac played at 238 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: Penn State. He's up there at six four pounds. I 239 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: don't know how much body fat that kid has on him, 240 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: maybe eight percent. I mean, he just looks like a 241 00:11:51,440 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: complete physical specimen and then you see something. But I 242 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: mean just it's those type of players that are becoming 243 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: more prevalent, especially in those three tech positions. Even if 244 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: he isn't your traditional three pounder, um, you know, some 245 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: of these guys go at six to three pounds but 246 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: they find the leverage that they can, you know, be 247 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: able to really make an impact inside, and you still 248 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: have you're tried in true three pounders that are just 249 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: gonna be able to take on your double teams, phil 250 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: gaps and be productive against the run. The Packers, I 251 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, you go back. I think it's twenty three 252 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: consecutive years they've drafted a defensive lineman. Now it's almost 253 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: you have ten picks right now. You can almost bet 254 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: on the fact that you're probably gonna get another one. 255 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: So seeing what they're looking for, because there's been a 256 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: lot of outside sentiment right now that you know, they 257 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: need a Howard Green, they need a Ryan pick it back, 258 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: they need a guy that can sit down there and 259 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: anchor the way they did ten years ago. When teams 260 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: are running as much as they were. Do you go 261 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: that route or do you try to find another another 262 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark type body that can do at all. Yeah, 263 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: that's what I was going to say, is the Packers 264 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: found Kenny Clark at six in the draft a few 265 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: years ago. And for all the needs that the Packers 266 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: have and everything that we're talking about, if there's another 267 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark, who's there at thirty and you don't have 268 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: to make a trade or give up any other picks 269 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: to get that guy. I think that's the kind of 270 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: guy that's going to be difficult to pass on for 271 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: this defense. Oh absolutely. And something as far as what 272 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: the Packers have coming back up front, a couple of 273 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: thoughts Dean Lowry who are signed to an extension and 274 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: so forth, and tighter Lancaster the Northwestern tandem. How many 275 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: teams have two defensive linement from Northwestern. It's gotta be 276 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: gott to be a new intercollegiate record. But anyway, I 277 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: think those guys are both coming off seasons where they 278 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: had their moments, but they weren't as consistent as they 279 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: have been previously. Now there is tape, it's out there 280 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: that they can play to a certain standard, which they've 281 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: done in the past. And I think both guys that 282 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: they were perfectly honest, wou'd hey, I can play a 283 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: little better on a consistent basis. Both of them had 284 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: their moments. I could dig up the tape and show 285 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: you and say, hey, this is great stuff, as good 286 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: as it gets, but they weren't as consistent as you 287 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: would hope for, or they would hope for so that's 288 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: a possible area of improvement for the Green Bay Packers. Yeah, 289 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: and let's be honest to Mike. I mean, how often 290 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: is it that a rookie defensive lineman comes in and 291 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: just lights the world on fire. Kenny Clark, it took 292 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: all of his rookie year to start finding his groove. 293 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: It's improvement that's going to have to come from within. 294 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: It's Lowry after getting the extension. It's Lancaster after becoming 295 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: a player montrevious. Adams is still in this conversation. Two 296 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: years ago, looked like he was on the come up. 297 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: Last year it was a little bit more tougher footing 298 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: for him to get going. And then I thought, really 299 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: Kingsley Kiki came on late last season as well. The 300 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: guy played nine defensive snaps and had thirteen tackles. I mean, 301 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: getting him more opportunities in that rotation pretty big. The 302 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: thing about Ki Ki, he has got something that is 303 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: really difficult to coach up and teach. He has an 304 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: for getting on the edge and being slippery. It's hard 305 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: as much holding and stuff that goes on, it's hard 306 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: to get ahold of guys like Kames Lee kick he's 307 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: just got that knack and it's hard to describe, but 308 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: he slips people. And the thing about it is, ideally 309 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: you're just not taking up space and filling your gap. 310 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: You're doing a little more like you're doing your responsibility 311 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and then having the wherewithal and the athletic ability to 312 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: go make a play. That's when you start playing real 313 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: good defensive lying and those are the type of things 314 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: the packers are looking for. Kiki and the other guys. Yeah, 315 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: when you talk about guys whose arrows are pointing up, 316 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: so to speak, I'll just throw a couple of names 317 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: out there, excuse me. Ross Blacklock from TCU. This is 318 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: a guy who actually lost the two thousand eighteen season 319 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: two a torn achilles. He worked out and got himself 320 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: back through rehab in seven months from a torn achilles, 321 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: which is an injury that can take guys up to 322 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: a year to come back from. He's got a really 323 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: good story too as far as the backs or another one, 324 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: I'll mention Marlon Davidson from Auburn, another big defensive lineman. 325 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: This is a guy he calls himself country Strong. He 326 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: uhum made a promise to his mother, his late mother, 327 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: to stay in school, finished school before he becomes an 328 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: NFL player, wants to take care of his family financially, 329 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: and all of that. He said he didn't really work 330 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: out his first three years at Auburn. His final year 331 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: at Auburn, his bench press went from two hundred and 332 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: sixty five pounds to three hundred and ninety five pounds 333 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: in one year. Because you know, some of these guys 334 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: have that ability to just keep getting better. Those are 335 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: the kinds of guys that that that are definitely going 336 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: to catch attention of of scouts and personnel people. And 337 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: I love Marlon. Listen to him talk a little bit 338 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: at the podium. There are certain guys that go up 339 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: there and you can see the hunger in their belly, 340 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: the fire in their belly that they want not only 341 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: to be a good football player, but there's people back 342 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: home that are counting on them, that want them to 343 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: succeed and need them to succeed. And I really got 344 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: that flavor from him, in addition to having a really 345 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: neat personality that seems like, you know, in based on 346 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: everything I've read, you know, a good fit for a 347 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of locker rooms. One other thing to keep in 348 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: mind as we're discussing the Packers getting better up front. 349 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: This is a very good year for interior defensive players 350 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: as far as free agency goers, and that class, that 351 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: group of soon to be free agents is led by 352 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: Chris Jones from Kransas City. There's no way they're letting 353 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: that dude go, not a chance. But it is outside 354 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: of him, it's still a pretty good group. So who 355 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: knows how things will fall as this offseason transpire. Yeah, 356 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of transactions taking place 357 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: in the NFL between the middle of March and then 358 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: late April when the Draft rolls around. But with that, 359 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: we're going to call it a wrap on this edition 360 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted and a wrap for now from the 361 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine. Thanks for watching, everybody, for Larry and Wes, 362 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: I am Mike. We will see you next time.