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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you and uh Buck. First of all, it's

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Speaker 1: and I have said they should take Trey Lancer justin fields,

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Speaker 1: I forgot he was even here. But like Jimmy Graham

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00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: could be kind of a key person for him. You

429
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Speaker 1: know where he is in his career. I don't know

430
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Speaker 1: what he's got left. But we talked about young quarterbacks

431
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: having a tight end, a big target, easy completions. Um,

432
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at their I don't know who you are.

433
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 1: I forgot Jimmy Graham was even on the Bears. Uh,

434
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: but that's uh interesting one. That's bananas, right, It is

435
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: bananas that he can maybe re emerging and kind of

436
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: be a factor. I don't know how big of a

437
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 1: factor he is at his age, but maybe down in

438
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: the red zone, big target someone they can find. Can

439
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: I give you my pick that for them? That was

440
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 1: my sleeper. It was my day three sleeper. Actually I

441
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: called a couple of GM buddies. Uh. As we got

442
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: towards day three, I was like kind of lobbying for

443
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 1: this dude, like, hey, I'm telling you man, Dad's Newsome.

444
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: You're you're wide out from North Carolina. Is a phenomenal

445
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: returner And as you know, Buck, we talked about all

446
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: the time, those guys that are good with cold receivers,

447
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: but phenomenal return or something. Those are some of the

448
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: guys when you get to the next level, all of

449
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: a sudden, those return skills they show up when you

450
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Speaker 1: get the ball in their hands. Um, I think he's

451
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: you got him in the sixth round. I think he's

452
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: got a chance to be a really good returner for them.

453
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Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance of develop into much

454
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Speaker 1: more than that. Yeah, he's a good time he's a

455
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: big time player. He has some stuff with the ball

456
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Speaker 1: in his hands. And I think you have a returner.

457
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 1: You're getting a guy that's tough. I gotta understands how

458
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: to maneuver and weave through traffic. Um. And then it's

459
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: about put him in a situation where you can let

460
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Speaker 1: him do what he normally does in the return game,

461
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Speaker 1: that is getting them go get him in space and

462
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: let him have some two on ones, uh, some three

463
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Speaker 1: on two's in space and see if he can break

464
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: a tackle and then create a big play. All that

465
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,239
Speaker 1: is a big part of the strategy to see if

466
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Speaker 1: you can make the game easy for the quarterback. All right,

467
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, let's hit on that one real quick. To

468
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Uh, you do a lot of stuff with

469
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Speaker 1: the Polkes. What do you think? Uh? I like it,

470
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna do I'm gonna put him in in

471
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Speaker 1: twos because I think it's Michael Parsons and Jabrielle Cox

472
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: upgrade the Cowboys. Uh, linebacker corep Because you've seen the Cowboys.

473
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Speaker 1: I think you had to talk about it on TV

474
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 1: multiple times last year when the defense was struggling, not

475
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Speaker 1: a very fast defense. Earlier in the year the efforts

476
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Speaker 1: stunk too. It got better, but early in the year, yes, effort.

477
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Speaker 1: So a couple of things that have to happen. If

478
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Speaker 1: you want a defense that plays hard, you gotta get

479
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 1: guys that play hard. There's no doubt about the effort

480
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Speaker 1: and energy about Michael Parsons and Jabril Cox. Secondly, if

481
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Speaker 1: you want to fast defense, you had to get guys

482
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Speaker 1: that play fast on defense. Those guys can run sideline

483
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: to sideline. You have to be able to do it.

484
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: And so I think for Parsons, the only challenge for

485
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 1: Parsons will be canny handle the spotlight and the attention

486
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: that comes along with being a part of America's team,

487
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: because we're gonna find it quickly. If he loves it,

488
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: it won't be a distraction. But if he doesn't, all

489
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: the other stuff will distract and take away from what

490
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: could be a phenomenal player planning in the defense that

491
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: is built for him to just hit and run and cover. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: I think what if we're looking at and Micah Parsons

493
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: is a freak? So I will put him up there

494
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: um as as the most talented guy. I'm telling you,

495
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: we might be looking back three four years from now

496
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 1: and realize that Odegazoo was their best pick in the

497
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Speaker 1: third maybe. I mean, when you look at guys we

498
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Speaker 1: just added up right, Let's say, say you haven't watched

499
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Speaker 1: a stitch of tape. But when I tell you his

500
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: he's a little bit shorter, but he's got incredibly long arms.

501
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: He plays really hard, and he's got he's like a

502
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: state wrestling champ background. He's gonna be yeah, because you minute,

503
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 1: with his size, he's gonna have natural leverage. But then

504
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: when you worry about guys at that size, like, but

505
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: guys get into him because they're little. He's got long

506
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: arms so you can't get Tom. And he's got leverage,

507
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: and he's quick, and he knows how to balance and

508
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: play with balance and power because he's a wrestler. Yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think that's something that is Uh,

510
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: it's a great point that that you make. I think

511
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: he continues to go along with the point of they

512
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: wanted to change the culture defensively, so they got a

513
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: bunch of harror playing dudes to get after it. Now,

514
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: the one thing I think everyone wanted to know about

515
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: the cornerback situation. So Kevin Joseph we had talked about

516
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: a little bit, the cornerback from Kentucky. Great athlete, not

517
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: necessarily technically refined, but great athlete that fits the Nishan

518
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 1: Reich heid. That's the one that had people in a tizzy.

519
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean people fall down, some people screaming what is

520
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: going on or whatever? But I will say this, I

521
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: would give them some cover. We said it, this would

522
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: be the most volat the draft that we've ever seen, right,

523
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: and you just don't know. Maybe they believe they're getting

524
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: the Richard Sherman clone and some of us long and

525
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: that stuff. We have to see how it plays out.

526
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: But it was early for him to go off to

527
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: board early, you know what is it? Because we said

528
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: that right that it was going to be the most

529
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Speaker 1: volatile um year. But it was weird for me because

530
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Speaker 1: like my first my top fourteen ranked players went in

531
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: the first fourteen picks, so not the order, but I

532
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: think that shows you there was kind of a league

533
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Speaker 1: wide group, right of those in the top fifty picks,

534
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Speaker 1: I think forty two of my top fifty went in

535
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Speaker 1: the top fifty, So those were that that group. And

536
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: then Um, I think whatever, the top one fifty ended

537
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 1: up being like eight of the top one fifty went

538
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: in the top one fifty. So it ended up in

539
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: a weird way, almost being kind of chalky in that. Okay,

540
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, if you were if you were were a

541
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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy, if you were a multi year starter

542
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: that played a full season in the SEC, those guys

543
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: they just locked themselves in whether or not their ceiling

544
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: was what it was. They kind of it kind of

545
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: to me, it shrunk the draft class a little bit

546
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: because of that. Yeah, I think so. I would also

547
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: say this, Um, because of the pandemic and because of

548
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: the things we had to lock in and really watched tape,

549
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: and because we didn't have workouts and all that other stuff,

550
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: there was less of a chance for us to be

551
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: swayed by workouts and those things that made us reshuffle

552
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: the deck. There was a little Pro days that we

553
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: got privy too, but all those numbers were unofficial, so

554
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: you couldn't really say, hey, I'm gonna go to the

555
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: bank with these Pro day numbers that were gathered on

556
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: the road. So this was a tape a tape study draft.

557
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: And as we've talked about it, when you study the tape,

558
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: you're more likely to be right than wrong, and so

559
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: I think that is what showed up. We saw a

560
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: bunch of guys stay true to what they saw on

561
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: the film evaluation, and they stayed true and the board.

562
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: The board ended up being exactly what we thought the

563
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: film revealed. Very few like especially the first like four rounds,

564
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: not many flyers um, and then like you know, once

565
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: you get outside of that, then you had some couple

566
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: of darts that got thrown. But for the most part,

567
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: I thought teams were a little bit more conservative in

568
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: the first four rounds and trying to be safe. This

569
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: is the first year I've ever had all hundred fifty

570
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: guys go in my top one fifty, because that doesn't happen,

571
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think people understand, like you

572
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: rank your board as a team, usually it's a hundred

573
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: and fifty ish guys. Seventh round. You always have guys

574
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: in your one fifty that are still up there because

575
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: nobody sees it the same that you do. This year,

576
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: I think every I think there was a little bit

577
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: more of that. It's weird. It was a weird year, man. No,

578
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's just weird in in that

579
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: part of it. I think there'd be some lessons to

580
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: be learned from it. Uh, we've seen teams begin to

581
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: pull out of the combine in terms of sending their

582
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: scouts and doing those things or whatever. Depending on how

583
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: this plays out in the fall, If those guys they

584
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: were drafted high or whatever, play up to expectation, you

585
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: may see a league wide trim where you don't see

586
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: as many guys attend like pro days and all this stuff.

587
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: You may get the information, but less of an emphasis

588
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: on that. I think the other thing, and I know

589
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned this when Bruce was on the GPS stuff

590
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: really plays a factor. It's it's really becoming a big

591
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: factor and the stuff, so it's less about three cones

592
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: and forties and all that and more about what is

593
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: his real game speed and impact um And the more

594
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: information that you can gather in the game, the better

595
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: it is when it comes to being able to compliment

596
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: what if you think about a player when it comes

597
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: to the take. I'm excited to get that information if

598
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: they're listening, If those people are out there listening, Bucky

599
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: and I would love to get our hands on that.

600
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: We had to get its second hand this year. We'd

601
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: love to get our hands on that info. We were

602
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about they're talking about one of our opinions. Yeah,

603
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: talking about Catapult Zebra. There's another company out there too

604
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: to supply some of that information. But yeah, the more

605
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: that we can get, the more. And like I was saying,

606
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: like people, you know know, there's like these composite athletics

607
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: scores that are making their ways way around and I'm like,

608
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: that's all based off Pro Day numbers. And I'm like, yeah,

609
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: but you know, account ran four seven is pro Day.

610
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: That's fine. When you talk to teams and they can

611
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: break it down within his first ten to fifteen yards

612
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: from the middle of the field, he was in like

613
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: the ninety percentile. So I'm like, they don't carry you're

614
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: in four seven sex. And there's how it's how you play,

615
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: how fast you play. And with the GPS stuff, it

616
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: allows guys who are instinctive see it and go they

617
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 1: play fast and so you can give them credit for

618
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So it's like there's one of

619
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: the it's one of the advances that is going to

620
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: it's already changing the game, but it's really going to

621
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: change the game going for it. We got a couple

622
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: more we gotta hit here before we run out of here.

623
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: We need to get another quarterback. So so let's get

624
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: to fifteen the Patriots, um if and if we started

625
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: the process buck and he said at fifteen Mac Jones,

626
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: the Patriots didn't bad night, good fit. Good for him.

627
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: You know, he was my thirty second player. But when

628
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: you factor in the fit, no problems at all. Taking

629
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: him at fifteen, I think it's a it's a it's

630
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: a good pick. Now he goes at three, we're having

631
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: a totally different conversation. So this it just felt like

632
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: everything kind of like all this craziness and all came together.

633
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is exactly where it's supposed

634
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: to be. It lined up, and so I can't I

635
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with it. Uh. I don't have

636
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: a problem with them taking him there. Uh. He's more

637
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: than their their model when it comes to the quarterback,

638
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: high volume player in terms of high volume of information

639
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: that he can play. He can deal with all the

640
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: checks and those things, um or whatever, and the way

641
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: that Josh mcdaniey wants to play. Because everyone talks about

642
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and I wish that we could just kind

643
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: of take Tom Brady out the equation and say, let's

644
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: look at the quarterbacks that Josh McDaniels has had prety

645
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: s C. M. Donald in St. Louis C. A. Cal

646
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Orton or whatever, all high I Q guys that can

647
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: handle and process all of that information, and so let's

648
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: see what he can do. I will say this though,

649
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: when Mac Jones shows up in the locker room, hopefully

650
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: he's been working out a little bit, because he's gonna

651
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: stand beside Cam Newton and it's hard. That is gonna

652
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: be hard position. It's gonna be hard. Now, it's gonna

653
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: be hard on him, you know when QB one and

654
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: whatever like hey DJ, that's gonna be a thing. And

655
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: also Cam's personality. If Mac Jones comes in there and

656
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: play small and it's kind of like meek Mouth or whatever,

657
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: it could be a thing. It may be a situation

658
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: where they have to get Cam out the building so

659
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: Mac Jones can grow into being the QB one because

660
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: if Cam plays boy, that is when when they get

661
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: out there on the field, that is gonna be an

662
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: interesting side a a DJ. I mean, it's gonna be

663
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: one of those things that we've been in camps like that.

664
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Speaker 1: I'll never get a Caroline. I'm not saying mac Jones this,

665
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: but Caroline we drafted step on the floor St. Louisville, Right, Yeah,

666
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: so we see him on table, whether it's a different

667
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: thing when they show up and you're like, hey, man,

668
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: he needs to get to cut off. Man, he needs

669
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: to come up man to throw this deep out like

670
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: this thing doesn't have enough pace on it. And so

671
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: it just depends he may be helped out that camp

672
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: can't throw at this stage of his career. But it's

673
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a different thing when they walk out on

674
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: the field together. Yeah, that's a great call. Um, let's

675
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: get down towards the uh, the bottom of the first round.

676
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: First of all, it's happy that Greg Rousseau went after

677
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: taking on some water through the pro day process. I

678
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: thought the bills were smart. Um, don't get carried away

679
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: with that. The guy, the guy again, I said it

680
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: on the air. He doesn't even know what he's doing.

681
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: It got fifteen and a half sexs. Wait till he

682
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: figures it out, you know. Uh, he just a coach

683
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: in the character he feels how they want to play.

684
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: There never underestimate too, that they probably got real information

685
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: from Miami down there with Dan Morgan being in the

686
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: pro department. Yeah, you legend probably can make some phone calls,

687
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: so they know exactly what the kid is about, how

688
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: he's wired. I think the number one thing that the

689
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills have been able to do is they have

690
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: created a calch and they know exactly who they are

691
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: and they know exactly what players can play for them. Greg,

692
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: we're so fits. He's quiet, he would go to work.

693
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: We had an interview with him where he could spit

694
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: out the technique and the technical side of it. Man,

695
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: it's just about more seasoning, more experienced. Yeah. Then to me,

696
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: how about this one. I feel like we called our

697
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: shot on Peyton Turner. We've been talking about him for

698
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: a while as somebody that could find his way in

699
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: the back into one. Sure enough he does with the Saints.

700
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: And we always say, guys have a type. If you

701
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: put him and you just like blurred out the face

702
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: and put his body type up there next to Marcus Davenport,

703
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: you won't be able to tell the difference. I mean,

704
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: just those big hulking ends the same same body type,

705
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: same same body type. They find a way to I mean,

706
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: like got gosh end up shopping at the same store

707
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: for the same items, And so you get a big

708
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: player that is very similar to Marcus Davenpord. They go

709
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: pick up Marcus Davenport's fifth year option. So we'll see

710
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: how this plays out. Um, he has a chance. He's

711
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: a hard he's a hard motor player. And if Trey

712
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: Hendrickson can get double Toti sacs playing off Cam Jordan's,

713
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: this guy's delivered for Payton Turner. Yeah, no doubt. I

714
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: wanna hit you on one more pick before we gotta run. Um,

715
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: how about the Steelers. They had the choice of going

716
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: with j which had been out there for a long

717
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: time with their connection with Roggie Harris. I just thought,

718
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of a chick can or the egg thing, Right,

719
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: how do you improve the run game? Do you start

720
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: with the offensive line or do you start with the back?

721
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: I thought they might end up starting with the back

722
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: or with the offensive line, even though everything was pointing

723
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: towards Naja Harris. Clearly, Uh they felt differently. Your thoughts

724
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: on on naj going there in the first round four? Okay,

725
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: So I think I think here's what happened. We made

726
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: a comparison and I started throwing this out, Naja Harris.

727
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: The Matt Forte Leve Bill comparison is valid. And I

728
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: think when you're Mike Tomlin and that staff and you

729
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: think about the last time they were really dynamic and

730
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 1: explosive on offense was when they had Levy and Bill

731
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: playing at a high level. Not multiple backs. They had

732
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: one back who could do it all. He could run it,

733
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: he could catch it, he could go outside. Naja Harris

734
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: is the one player that I thought had some of that.

735
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: And I think when they've tried to say, hey, let's

736
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: get the back and let's see, let's get the offensive

737
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: line fix, but let's take these second and third roundbacks

738
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: for them. It hasn't worked. James Connor didn't necessarily work.

739
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: They try to do it with be Any Snail. They

740
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: tried to say him a Farlan kid from Maryland. So

741
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: they've thrown a handful of guys at the position and

742
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: nobody has emerged. I think it's hey, let's see if

743
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: we can go get a blue chip guy and see

744
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: if we can fix the running game by upgrading the

745
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: personnel in the backfield, more so than dealing with the

746
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: guy on the front line my one thing there, and

747
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: I like the couple of linement they got. I think

748
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: Dan Moore has got a chance to develop and be

749
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: a starting left tackle. Kendrick Green we both liked things

750
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: gonna be a starting center. Those are two good good

751
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: linement that they picked up. The only thing I would

752
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: say on the naj thing is I thought a little

753
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: bit similar to um Derrick Henry is that you do

754
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: need the runway runway, you know, so you can't be

755
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: He's not gonna make up for the sins. If you're

756
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: terrible up front, you gotta get some guys that can

757
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: get some push up front for him. Yeah, I mean

758
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: that is definitely a valid point. They haven't really been

759
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: the same since their old line coach left, to be honest,

760
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: because it's some of personnel this, but a lot of

761
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: is Mike Munchak left, and they haven't been the same

762
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: up front in terms of the nastiness and bush and

763
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: those things. They can beef it up. They have to

764
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: give him an opportunity. But for Ben Roethlisberg and where

765
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: Ben is in this development, they needed someone who could

766
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: catch the ball out the backfield, and it can't just

767
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: be those little bubble screens and shell acrosses that they

768
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: were running to. All the wide receivers, they have to

769
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: find a way to incorporate the running back into the

770
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: past game. Not Ja, Harry, Skislm and guy. They can

771
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: do that, no doubt. Again, we didn't have the time

772
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: to go through every single pick, but those are some

773
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: of our big picture takeaways. Any other themes from the draft,

774
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: You want to hit buck as we get out of here,

775
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: you little DJ. I think it's funny because we've talked

776
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: about the marquee positions and how we stack them, and

777
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: we've talked about quarterbacks, pass rushers, uh, offensive tackles and corners,

778
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: and once again, man, when we look at the draft,

779
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: what we have to do wide receivers because now the

780
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: playmaker has become more of a thing. Those five physicians

781
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: are the ones that go, and they go early. And

782
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: so as we continue to look at it and think

783
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: about it and raide like, those are the guys they go,

784
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: and those are the guys they go early. Because even

785
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: we talked about all the past wrestors and how we

786
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: don't know Lord behold bottom of the first round, tom second,

787
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: those guys are going because if you don't have one.

788
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: You gotta get one. Somebody has to rush your pastors

789
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: so well, and uh just for our dart to throw

790
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: one dart here as we're recording this on a Monday

791
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: after the draft ended. If we're looking at uh, if

792
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: we're looking at two NFL draft having studied exactly zero

793
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: of those players, Cavon Thibodeaux, it's gonna be the first

794
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: pick based off the one thing that I just this

795
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: is what I've seen. That's my that's my so here,

796
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: here's what I'll tell you about Thibodeaux. Thibodeau is a

797
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: local l A kid. He started at Dorsey High School,

798
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: which is the home of Keyshan and Hugh Jackson, but

799
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: he ended up at Oaks Christian. He is a dynamic dude.

800
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: Off the edge, slippery and those things. I wonder how

801
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: big is when you see his frame, DJ, he's not.

802
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: It was a big broad shoulder dude. He's kind of, uh,

803
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: cow hanger shoulder type. But man, his first step quickness

804
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: and get off. He is a prob lum Oregan duckt

805
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: players up there. Man getting after recruiting. Absolutely, we get

806
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: out here. No, that was good man. It's always good

807
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: to review the draft I can't wait to dig back

808
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: into my nose and kind of see some of the

809
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: other lessons that I can learn. Yeah, I also want

810
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: to encourage everybody the Uh, the audio is available for

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00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: Justin Fields three sixty. Um. The show is gonna be

812
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: on NFL Network Sunday morning, nine thirty a m. Eastern

813
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: as well, So, uh, we've got that coming. We are

814
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: going to re release the three sixties with a little

815
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: bit of an update on where these these quarterbacks landed,

816
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: so those will be on TV. You also see the

817
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: audio version of those as well. Remember the NFL Network

818
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: MP has three sixty Trevor Lawrence that's gonna be five

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00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: pm Eastern on Thursday. Um, you also have the Zach

820
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: Wilson three sixty that's gonna be five thirty pm on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and the Justin Fields will be a m that will

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Speaker 1: be on Sunday. So that's where you can catch those episodes.

823
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: So we appreciate you guys hanging with us all the

824
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: way through the draft. It's it's over, but we're not done.

825
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here all offseason. We've got some more

826
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: drafts tough to recap here and then uh, and then

827
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Speaker 1: we'll start looking forward. We have the schedule release coming

828
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: up here at the end of the month, and we'll

829
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: have plenty of talk about here. So I know the

830
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: drafts over, but hanging with us. We have you covered

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00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: right here and Move the Sticks catch Thanks for downloading

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