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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the loving husband of a

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Speaker 1: woman who was killed during a parasling accident, and trust me,

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Speaker 1: I am using air quotes on that down in the

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Speaker 1: Florida Keys, a memorial Day speaks out for the first time,

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Speaker 1: telling about the horrific day. His wife, just thirty three

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Speaker 1: years old, in the prime of her life, their ten

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Speaker 1: year old son, and the nine year old nephew were

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Speaker 1: all three cut loose from their paracel by the captain

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Speaker 1: after they were caught in wind guss up to thirty

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Speaker 1: miles an hour. Of course, the device crashes back down

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Speaker 1: to Earth, hitting the old seven mile bridge down in

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Speaker 1: the Keys near Marathon, Florida, killing the mommy. Now we

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Speaker 1: learn the dad was literally screaming and begging the captain

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Crime Stories and on series

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Speaker 1: XXEM one eleven. I'm just imagining that scene. I can

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Speaker 1: just imagine my husband David out on the water with

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Speaker 1: me up in the air paraceiling with the twins. Then

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Speaker 1: things go sideways and him down there begging, begging, screaming

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Speaker 1: an hour. Winds toss me and the twins around. I

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Speaker 1: can hardly even think about it. As a matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: It's reminding me something. We went on a trip with

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Speaker 1: my mother, the twins, Dave, and I out to Vegas,

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Speaker 1: not to gamble. I do not like to gamble. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I might as well throw my money out

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Speaker 1: on Third Avenue. But we like to go see the shows.

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Speaker 1: we were also okay. We went to Hoover Dam, which

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Speaker 1: day we went to Hoover Dam, we were supposed to

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Speaker 1: go on a helicopter tour. And the twins had never

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Speaker 1: been on a helicopter. I had only been on them

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Speaker 1: when my investigator would fly me to various jails across

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Speaker 1: the Southeast to interview defendants. So this is the first

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Speaker 1: time on a helicopter. And you go dad into the

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Speaker 1: Grand Canyon and then you have lunch down there and

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Speaker 1: the winds. I believe they were in the upper twenties

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Speaker 1: to thirties, and David, who has a level head, said

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't take us up if they thought it wasn't safe.

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Speaker 1: And he said, I don't care what they say. We're

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Speaker 1: not going. Do you know it was several months after

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Speaker 1: with the same company in Vegas going out in Wing Gus.

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Speaker 1: The point is this mom and dad probably relied on

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Speaker 1: the captain to say and decide whether it was safe,

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Speaker 1: thirty miles an hour. And you should see that bridge.

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Speaker 1: It is old, it is cement. The thought of them

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Speaker 1: crashing into that that's devastating. In the last days, the

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Speaker 1: dad speaks out about his ordeal. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at GMA, Good Morning America.

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Speaker 2: Your your wife, your son, your nephew. They get into

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Speaker 2: the ParaSail and they take off. What happens next.

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Speaker 3: The captain started kind of and concerned, and his actions.

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Speaker 1: Was kind of terrified. And I was also scared.

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Speaker 2: When the boat's crew could not reel in the ParaSail,

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Speaker 2: the captain made the decision to cut it loose. What

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Speaker 3: Whatever he was doing, he was concerning for all of us.

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Speaker 3: I didn't exactly see when he did. When he cut

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Speaker 1: What happened to this beautiful young mom, just gorgeous young mom,

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Speaker 1: every single jury trial if I can, and that is

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Speaker 1: with the nine to one one call.

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Speaker 4: Listen, nine one, where's your emergency?

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Speaker 5: On the ocean? By pigeon t A pair of sailors

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Speaker 5: line just broke free in there in the waters.

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Speaker 4: Okay, hold on a second. Let me see it's part

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Speaker 5: You said, yes, you're right here. Pigeon, Pye, pidgeon, ky,

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Speaker 4: So it's a ParaSail.

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Speaker 5: Yep, they were parasailing and the line just snapped and

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Speaker 4: Okay, and what end of the bridge you know? OHI

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Speaker 5: Idea? He's just in the distance and it sounds like

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Speaker 5: several boths are trying to get to the person, but

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: A gorgeous young mother tries to entertain her children taking

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Speaker 1: them on this para saling excursion, this adventure. How many

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Speaker 1: times have we done something like that? I've done parasaling,

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Speaker 1: but I've done other things.

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Speaker 6: And she's dead.

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Speaker 1: She is dead. I've got an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. Michael Winkleman,

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Speaker 1: high profile mayor, time attorney, joining us out of Miami

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Speaker 1: at Lipkan Margulis and Winkleman he's quite the expert. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com.

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin talk about Gumshoe private investigator extraordinaire at Crispin

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Speaker 1: Special Investigations. You can find them at Crispin Investigations dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher a very special guest joining us. Mark mccohaugh,

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Speaker 1: a paarasailing safety expert and the chairman of Parasale Safety

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Speaker 1: Council for First Tim O'Hara joining US reporter with a

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Speaker 1: key West citizen, Tim O'Hara, I want you to hear

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of this nine to one one call. Listen,

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Speaker 4: Where is your emergency?

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Speaker 5: The Creven mile Bridge east of Mergers Channel.

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Speaker 4: There was a parasailor.

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Speaker 7: North of Doctor Bridge and the road growth.

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Speaker 6: And a right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I've got a call on this already. I just

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Speaker 4: want to ask you a couple of questions. Hold on okay,

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Speaker 4: additional color okay? And can you tell me just one mail?

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Speaker 5: We don't know.

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Speaker 4: It was one person in the parasale right, okay, So

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Speaker 8: Now he's being drug.

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Speaker 5: Across the water by the saale being drug.

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Speaker 1: So thank you Tim O'Hara joining me from the Key

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Speaker 1: West citizen. Tim, thanks for being with us. What happened?

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Speaker 6: You know you have multiple boats saying, you know, we

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Speaker 6: see this what they had thought that the line had snapped.

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Speaker 6: We later found out it was cut, but it did snap.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but wait wait wait, wait, wait wait wait.

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Speaker 1: You know Tim O'Hara talking to us like drinking from

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Speaker 1: a fire, hijrat. It's just so much at once. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't take it all in. You said, okay, first

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Speaker 1: parasaling safety expert. I know you can hear Tim O'Hara

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Speaker 7: Well, it sounded like what the person that called nine

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Speaker 1: The line snap, So that means while the person parasiling

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Speaker 1: means you get into some contraption with a sail like

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Speaker 1: Is that what you call parasiling?

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Speaker 6: That's correct?

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Speaker 1: they've got to sail on it and they're they're guiding

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Speaker 7: What is that? That's not? That's not parasaling. What is

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Speaker 7: that's it's like sailboarding?

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Speaker 1: Sailboarding? Okay, okay, so we're not talking about that, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about parasailing. I'm repeating to you questions that I've

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Speaker 1: that's called what did you say, chrismin? Is that you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's kite boarding as tight boarding.

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Speaker 1: Okay, parasailing whole nother animal. Now, Tim O'Hara joining us

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Speaker 1: Key West citizen, did I hear you correctly that at

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Speaker 1: first what onlookers witnesses thought the cord had snapped.

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Speaker 6: Correct and the the what turned out to be three

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean, Mark McCollough, for the line

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well it's snapped, I mean a line snap.

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Speaker 1: See to me, the meaning of snap means the cord breaks,

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Speaker 1: But according to you, snap means it comes disengaged or

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Speaker 1: I thought that meant that the cord breaks in the air.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, it broke free from the vessel.

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Speaker 1: And that's called snap A snap, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, with snap off or break off or disengaged. So

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Speaker 1: not that it breaks.

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Speaker 6: I would say it broke. It broke from the boat.

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Speaker 6: So now you have three people basically floating in the air.

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Speaker 1: So it became disengaged from the boat.

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Speaker 7: All right, they're not tethered to the boat anymore.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. We now learn that Mommy's

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Speaker 1: husband begged the captain to help his wife. Listen to

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Speaker 10: Tree is holding the captain's leg begging him to please

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Speaker 10: go out there and save them, and he goes ahead

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Speaker 10: and tells him, don't worry, the bridge will help.

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Speaker 1: That's where the per Yes, he said to you, the

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Speaker 1: bridge will help. Yeah, to the captain's leg, begging him

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Speaker 1: Back to you, Tim O'Hara, you then said you think

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Speaker 1: the captain of the boat cut it.

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Why, Well, that's going to be the biggest question as

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Speaker 6: going to be the two biggest factors going into Sevester.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the weather because a storm seemingly propelled them.

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Speaker 1: Who is them? All I know is about the thirty

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Speaker 11: Correct?

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Speaker 1: WHOA, So you've got a nine and a ten year

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Speaker 6: But also also we are talking about Florida wear storms.

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Speaker 6: Wear storms do sort of like these little you know,

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Speaker 6: I will call them squalls. You know, they can brew

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Speaker 6: up very fairly quickly. Now you would think you would

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Can I just point something out to everybody?

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, private investigator joining me out of Florida right now.

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Speaker 1: Has anybody heard of the Farmer's Almanac?

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Speaker 3: Or is that just me?

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Speaker 1: Because since I was a little girl, little little we

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Speaker 1: what the weather is going to be. Now, this happened

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Speaker 1: on what day? Tim O'Hare? What day did this happen?

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Speaker 1: I've got on May thirty, Memorial Day.

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Speaker 6: Correct.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know there was going to be a storm.

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Speaker 6: See, I'll tell you you know. Of course we have

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Speaker 11: Technology, and we're in rainy season, and everybody knows rainy season.

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Speaker 11: The rains every single day, and these squalls come up

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Speaker 1: And to you, Michael Winkelman, a high profile lawyer joining

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Speaker 1: me out of Miami. Michael, they didn't know there was

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Speaker 9: The singular comment that I'll make in defense of these

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Speaker 9: But I find that to be such a feeble excuse,

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Speaker 9: Combine that with a small dose of common sense, which

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Speaker 9: do for a living. I just finished the case out

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Speaker 9: They wanted these fly by night operations. Took her up

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Speaker 9: the distance. The line snaps, She's in the air for

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Speaker 9: airport in Mexico. Thank goodness, she survived. We successfully results

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Speaker 9: her case. But look here we have this beautiful thirty

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Speaker 9: But you have these terrible tragedies that are are clearly preventable, clearly.

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Speaker 1: You know, Michael Winkelman. Just hearing you say that, you

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Speaker 1: said this beautiful mom, and I said beautiful, and I

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Speaker 1: nine years old. There's just you know, to you, doctor

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, high profile psychiatrist joining me out of Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: She was beautiful on the inside. Now she was not

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Speaker 1: a parasailing expert, but this captain was. How in the

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Speaker 1: a cement bridge with the unassuming mommy. Mommy probably helped

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Speaker 1: Help me, doctor Auntie.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, Nancy, what you said at the beginning

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Speaker 12: there's a trust that if you give your money to

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Speaker 12: that they know what they're doing. Otherwise that woman wouldn't

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Speaker 13: They're from Illinois, they're down in Florida for Memorial Day,

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Speaker 13: and they wanted to do something different. And unless Nancy,

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Speaker 13: they're into crime like you are and I am, and

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Speaker 13: they're hearing these stories constantly, then they may not think

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Speaker 1: I think you lower your guard when you're on vacation.

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Speaker 1: I do, Tean. I don't know what that phenomenon is. Guys,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut three our friends at WPLG.

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Speaker 14: It happened Monday evening, a witness describing a harrowing scene

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Speaker 14: when bad weather blew in around six pm. We're told

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Speaker 14: people were parasailing when the tow line broke, sending the

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Speaker 14: Sources say the woman in the parasale did not survive.

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Speaker 1: The captain making the disastrous decision to cut the rope

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Speaker 1: Her son and nephew raced to the hospital. The indifference

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Speaker 6: Are you discussed. When they go out, they get three

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Speaker 1: Did you just call it pegging?

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Speaker 6: That's what that's the term they use in the parasite,

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Speaker 6: we'll ask that captain is why did you feel the

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct, that is exactly what happened. Take a

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Speaker 10: Border Fish and Wildlife releasing this new report revealing the

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Speaker 10: tow rope did not snap, but rather the captain cut

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Speaker 10: It says the woman and two kids were then dropped

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Speaker 10: but he was letting me know, help me, help me.

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Speaker 10: Know, immediately, and then we got the other kid that

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Speaker 1: Straight out to our expert joining us and we're so

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Speaker 7: What is pegged, Yeah, I'm pegged is a term that's

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? When did you witness

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Speaker 7: Well, because I've been in the business since the seventies

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Speaker 7: I've never heard of before, but we don't know yet

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Speaker 7: So the big question is why did he you know,

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Speaker 1: Did he joining us Tim O'Hare from the QS Citizen.

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Speaker 1: Did he call distress on his radio or did he

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Speaker 6: of this could have happened in moments.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know that you said it's common that it

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Speaker 1: is done, that there's not a chase boat, but just

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Speaker 1: because it is done doesn't mean it should be done.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to figure out. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: taken a lot of looks at this bridge. It's an

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Speaker 1: abandoned bridge, and I would think that you would try

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Speaker 1: to stay away from big cement bridges when you go parasailing.

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Speaker 6: Well, and maybe that's the will of our state legislature

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Speaker 6: this time, to say maybe we need to push these

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Speaker 6: boats further out where you're I don't know, eight ten miles.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a state legislature

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Speaker 1: to do anything, but to me, it just makes common sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mark McCollough, why are we going to wait

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Speaker 1: on the Florida state legislature to tell a boat operator

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Speaker 1: what is safe and not safe? Because you'll be waiting

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Speaker 1: till you're blue in the face. Hell will freeze over

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Speaker 1: before you get a legislature to do anything. Half of

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Speaker 1: them were probably making money off parasailing, so that is

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Speaker 1: not going to happen anytime soon. So Mark, why would

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Speaker 1: we Isn't it just common sense that you don't parasle

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Speaker 1: near a big cement abandoned bridge.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's start back with the legislature, because I was

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Speaker 7: the one who originally pushed the legislation to do regulations.

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Speaker 7: But I had it.

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Speaker 12: It was so strict.

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Speaker 7: I actually had a distance based on the height of

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Speaker 7: the toe, and they just ignored it because the parasl

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Speaker 7: operators sort of started lobbying against what I had tried

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Speaker 7: to push is very strict regulations. And yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 7: it was. You're to know they're not going to do anything.

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Speaker 7: There's too much responsibility.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I only say that because I was a

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Speaker 1: lobbyist briefly for the district attorney at the Georgia State Assembly.

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Speaker 1: I did that I think two sessions, and I begged,

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Speaker 1: I said, please let me try murders and get me

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Speaker 1: out of politics, and it was anti crime issues, but

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Speaker 1: you know, they didn't want to hear about any of that.

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Speaker 1: Let me go to our guest joining us, doctor Tim Gallagher,

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Speaker 1: what were the injuries that this young mom suffered that

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Speaker 1: led to her death.

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Speaker 8: Most likely impact injuries, but we cannot rule out that

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Speaker 8: the woman died from drowning. And then we also have

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Speaker 8: to add in and you may not like it, but

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Speaker 8: is it a natural cause when you have a medical event?

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Speaker 8: You know, before the impact in the water and before

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Speaker 8: she drowned, she.

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Speaker 1: Ran into the bridge. She slam into a cement bridge.

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Speaker 1: She's dead. She either died from force injuries. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just a jd I don't even know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: but I know she either died from blunt force trauma

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Speaker 1: right there with her her son and her nephew watching,

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Speaker 1: or she got hit and went into the water and

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Speaker 1: that sail, that tether dragged her through the water and

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Speaker 1: it drowned her. It's one of those two things.

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Speaker 8: Well, absolutely, that's your impression, but we have to look

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Speaker 8: at it from a scientific point, you know, and we

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Speaker 8: have to also include natural disease.

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Speaker 3: In with our.

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Speaker 1: She fell down the steps, well, I mean.

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Speaker 6: It's a low possibility, but we do have to include it.

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Speaker 8: And that's just how that's how the science is.

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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace. The husband has now filed

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Speaker 1: a lawsuit against the captain, his colleague, the boat company,

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Speaker 1: and the marina, claiming they didn't even check weather reports

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Speaker 1: and those reports would have prevented them from selling that

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Speaker 1: The captain did not give them safety equipment, including life jackets.

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Speaker 1: Oh dear Lord in Heaven, they were up in the

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Speaker 1: air without life jackets and did not properly bring down

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Speaker 1: the parasl after losing control. There were so many opportunities

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Speaker 1: to stop this tragedy of a little boy losing his

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Speaker 1: mom forever, but it seems to be there was one

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Speaker 1: failure after the next after the next. The dad now

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Speaker 1: advising families taking vacations this year to take precautions and

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Speaker 1: ask adventurers and ask questions when you go on so

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Speaker 1: called port adventures. Don't just rely on what these people

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Speaker 1: are telling you. You don't know them and they just

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Speaker 1: want to make some money off you. They're not worried

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Speaker 1: about you or your children. So mart McCollough, let me

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Speaker 1: understand something. Why would he cut the cord? How would

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Speaker 1: that possibly help anything?

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Speaker 7: Well, we don't know the circumstances, but that's not something

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Speaker 7: I've ever trained anybody, and I'm not even sure any

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Speaker 7: other operators ever trained someone to cut a tow line because.

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Speaker 1: We totally give up control of the line.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, when you cut the line, you lose control, and

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Speaker 7: that's it. I mean, these boats are very strong, the

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Speaker 7: line's very strong. Heck, to blow a hole in that

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Speaker 7: parachute would take about an eighty mile an hour or

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Speaker 7: one hundred mine hour win. So you've got a lot

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Speaker 7: of things. The captain has a lot of things that

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Speaker 7: they're at their resources. The fact that these newer vessels

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Speaker 7: are much bigger, stronger, heavier, and you know, the fact

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Speaker 7: that you'd cut a toe line, I don't care if

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Speaker 7: you're being dragged backwards or you know, panicking because maybe

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Speaker 7: there's water on coming in over the back end of

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Speaker 7: the boat. There's just no circumstances in which someone would

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Speaker 7: cut a line that.

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Speaker 6: I know of.

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Speaker 1: Well, he did it. And when you cut the line,

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Speaker 1: what happens then, Martin McCall, once you cut that line, well.

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Speaker 7: Then now you've got no control. Now the wind takes over.

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Speaker 7: And as what happened is that they probably glided for

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Speaker 7: quite a way before they hit the water. And we

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Speaker 7: don't know how long they were in the water being

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Speaker 7: dragged backwards, but I can tell you In past cases

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Speaker 7: that I've investigated where we've had water landing, nine times

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Speaker 7: out of ten the person drowns because that water just

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Speaker 7: covers you and you can hardly breathe it. Like I said,

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Speaker 7: it's like being waterboarded. You can't breathe. And as the

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Speaker 7: doctor said, is that, Yeah, she could have had a

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Speaker 7: where you know that maybe she couldn't catch her wind

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Speaker 7: or catch you, or she was you know, scared, panic whatever.

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Speaker 1: You mean, drowned. Yeah, I don't know that. I would

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Speaker 1: blame her and her fake asthma. You guys have cooked

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Speaker 1: up as to white. I mean, think of somebody skiing

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Speaker 1: face down being pulled through the water behind a speedboat.

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Speaker 1: There's no way you can breathe the water at that

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Speaker 1: velocity being pumped right into your face. And here's here's

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Speaker 1: the kicker. Not the first time this has happened, as

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, right there in Florida. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen at our cut thirteen our friend Rob Nelson at ABC.

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Speaker 1: It's the terrifying moment caught on camera.

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Speaker 15: Watch as a power sail containing two riders breaks loose

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Speaker 15: from the boat leading it and slams into two nearby

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Speaker 15: condominiums in Panama Beach, Florida, all before crashing into a

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Speaker 15: parking lot full of cars.

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Speaker 12: We are at the Commodore and two pails.

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Speaker 1: This morning.

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Speaker 15: Two seventeen year old Indiana girls, Alexis Fairrenschild in Sydney

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Speaker 15: Good remain in critical condition at an area hospital. Initial

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Speaker 15: reports from investigators say that on Monday, an afternoon storm

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Speaker 15: developed with strong winds, and that these winds kept the

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Speaker 15: shoot aloft and several attempts to winch the riders back

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Speaker 15: onto the vessel failed. The company who ran the outing,

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Speaker 15: Aquatic Adventures, is declining to come in. The very popular

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Speaker 15: vacation sport, is an industry with very little regulation. Just

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Speaker 15: this May, Fara legislators failed to pass a bill that

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Speaker 15: would have put new safety standards in place. One of

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Speaker 15: the biggest opponents Aquatic Adventures, the owner of the boat

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Speaker 15: involved in this incident.

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Speaker 1: That has also happened in Florida with two teen girls.

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Speaker 1: I've got so many similar transactions here where the same

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Speaker 1: thing happens. Parasl becomes unhooked, flies untethered for forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on. Fifteen year old

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Speaker 1: Amber May White dies when wind gus snaps the line

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Speaker 1: sailing with sister. I mean, there's so many of these incidents,

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Speaker 1: but what it boils down to you writing here, doctor

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist out of Atlanta, what happens when

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Speaker 1: a child this young nine loses their mother?

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Speaker 12: Nancy. There's a wonderful study that was published in twenty

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Speaker 12: eighteen from the American Journal of Psychiatry. It was a

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Speaker 12: longitudinal study that looked at children who had.

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Speaker 6: Lost their parents or a mother.

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Speaker 12: From all different kinds of death, suicide, trauma, natural causes.

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Speaker 12: During the first two years after a child loses a parent,

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Speaker 12: they are at a very high risk of suffering from depression.

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Speaker 12: So it's important for whoever the surviving parent is to

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Speaker 12: be looking out for this and treat it because is

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Speaker 12: actually what they also found in this study is that

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Speaker 12: this affects the child socially and mentally for years into

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Speaker 12: their life. But the first thing they have to look for,

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Speaker 12: the first thing they need to be looking for in

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Speaker 12: these children who have lost a parent are signs and

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Speaker 12: symptoms of depression in that first two years, and they

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Speaker 12: need to jump on it and treat it and not

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Speaker 12: wish it away.

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin joining me, Crispin Special Investigations also joining us

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Speaker 1: from Florida along with Michael Winkleman, maritime lawyer in Florida.

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Speaker 1: You know, Crispin, I think when people go on vacation,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you see this a lot in Florida,

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Speaker 1: your defenses are lowered. You don't think you're going to

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Speaker 1: have a crash when you rent that mopad or that

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Speaker 1: bird or that paarasling adventure or scuba or whatever is

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Speaker 1: you're doing. There's so many incidents like that happening at

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Speaker 1: vacation spots. I it's you know, I was just down

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Speaker 1: in Florida and we went to Gator Land or Gator

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Speaker 1: World and they had a zip line over the gators.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is these people probably had no

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Speaker 1: idea how dangerous this really was.

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Speaker 11: Listen, Nancy, this all comes down to one person, and

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Speaker 11: in every single one of these events that we have

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Speaker 11: spoken about comes back to one person, the captain.

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Speaker 6: The captain is ultimately.

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Speaker 11: Responsible for who's on his vessel or who is associated

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Speaker 11: with his vessel, whether you're parasailing, you're diving, whatever you're doing,

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Speaker 11: that captain is one hundred percent responsible in each of

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Speaker 11: these situations. The captain made a poor decision, absolutely made

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Speaker 11: a poor decision. Those boats never should have been out

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Speaker 11: in that wind, those kids that got detached from their tethers,

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Speaker 11: and the other situations we talked about, that's an equipment failure.

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Speaker 11: I guarantee you in those investigations, you're going to find

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Speaker 11: faulty equipment. I guarantee you in this particular situation, and

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Speaker 11: I vote in South Florida every weekend.

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Speaker 6: It's a epic.

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Speaker 11: Failure on the captain's part, and who he or his

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Speaker 11: observer instructed to cut that line was the ultimate demise

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Speaker 11: of those three people.

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Speaker 1: I agree or disagree with Michael winklman Oh.

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Speaker 9: I completely agree with everything you said, in particular, Nancy

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Speaker 9: that I think when people go on these vacations they

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Speaker 9: do let their guard down. Then you have these inherently

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Speaker 9: dangerous activities that are putting families at risk and not

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Speaker 9: enough and done to make them safe. I think, even

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Speaker 9: before you get the captain operation and blaming them, it

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Speaker 9: is an issue of regulation, and I think regulation has

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Speaker 9: become such a political hot button issue. But here let's

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Speaker 9: all take a little spoonful of common sense. We want

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Speaker 9: to regulate parasol operators so that they can do this safely,

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Speaker 9: so that we're not on this show talking about terrible

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Speaker 9: strategies like this. This is where common spense regulation needs

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Speaker 9: to come into play, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: The beauty of all this is the captain always has

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Speaker 11: the right to say no, we're not going, just like

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Speaker 11: you're pilots in bad weather when you sit on the

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Speaker 11: runway and everyone on that place is upset that that

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Speaker 11: thing's not taken off. You know why because that guy

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Speaker 11: in the left seat, that captain, he said no, it's no,

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Speaker 11: and a lot of these should have been.

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Speaker 1: Ann We now learn the husband of a mommy who

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Speaker 1: dies parasailing with her son and nephew literally clung to

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Speaker 1: the boat captain's leg, begging him not to cut the

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Speaker 1: mommy and the sun free. But he did. Now mommy's dead.

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Speaker 1: Where does it stand right now? Take a listen to this,

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Speaker 1: our friends at CBS.

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Speaker 3: I can't help but think that if the people we

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Speaker 3: trusted from the parasaling company and the captain Pips Marina

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Speaker 3: had done their jobs, my wife would still be with

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Speaker 3: us today.

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Speaker 16: This family, they previously filed a lawsuit against the parasailing company.

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Speaker 16: This latest and second lawsuit is against the Captain, the

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Speaker 16: Mate and Captain Pips Marina and Resort. That's where the

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Speaker 16: parasale company operated from. Captain of the Vote was arrested

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Speaker 16: and charged with manslaughter in September.

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Speaker 1: We wait as just as sun falls. Goodbye friend,