1 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm home in Florida after a full month away. I 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: was in Bangkok, Hanoi, and Singapore, my first ever trip 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: to Asia. I posted some stuff about it on my 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Instagram Carol in Public, and then I was in New 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: York with our family. Getting home to Florida has just 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: been amazing. The plane landed and I took this deep 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: breath and was just like, I get to live here. 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: I drive around with a smile on my face. I 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: have to admit to some summer winds and losses. I 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: largely failed at analog summer. I would say, it's really 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: not my fault. I'd wake up in Asia to one 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: thousand plus texts that President Trump had been shot or 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: Trump has picked jd Vance for his vice president. I've 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: wanted to disconnect like I'd done on previous years, but 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: I never had the news come and get me and 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: bring me back in such a way before. My friend 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: Dave Rubin of the Amazing Rubin Report does a very 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: serious version of this for the month of August every year, 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: where he locks his phone in a drawer and just 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: doesn't consume any news. No matter how big. I respect this, 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: obviously I do, and I wish I could do that 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: maybe someday. But I have a summer win and that's that. 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I've been reading fiction, which was my overall goal for 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: this year. I'm eight books in and about halfway through 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: two other books. I know. That's just how I do it, 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: Like I have a book in my bag for when 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: I travel and then a book for when I'm home. 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: I need different books in different places. Honestly, it's been 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: a bit of a slog. I'm not going to lie 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: to you. I might just be picking the wrong books 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: because I only have one really recommendable book for you all. 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: The one book that I really loved so far is 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: City of Thieves by David Benioff. And it's not like 35 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm only reading highbrow stuff either. I have beat reads. 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: I have more serious novels. It's a real mix of stuff. 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: So it's August first, and there are still a few 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: weeks left of summer. So if you have fiction recommendations 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: for me, please send them in Carol Markowitz Show at 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. It's a bunch of weird spelling. K 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: A r O l M A r ko W I 42 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: C as and Charlie Zias and Zebra Show at gmail 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: dot com. And if you made summer resolutions for yourself, 44 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: as I know some of you did, because I've heard 45 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: from you, I'd love to hear how you're doing with them. 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: I heard from some people before the summer began who 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: were planning to do a dating app, Detox. If you 48 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: did one, I'd love to hear how it's going. Coming 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: up next, and interview with Tianna Lodsher join us after 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: the break. Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz 51 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Tiana low desher 52 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: economics columnist for the Washington Examiner. I'm sorry I had 53 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: to say it so many times. Welcome Tiana. 54 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: Hi. I know it's a lot of names and like 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: a big title. 56 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: I for some reason struggled with the word economics, really struggled. 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: But thank you for hanging in there, and we're really 58 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: happy to have you on. 59 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, of course, no, thank you for having me. 60 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: So I love talking to people in kind of you know, 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: who write about the economy or finance, because it's really 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: not my world. And so my first question to you, 63 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: as it is to a lot of people who write 64 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff is how is it going? 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Is it going to get any better? 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: How? 67 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: You know, where are we as a country on this? 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: Oh man? I mean the funny thing about starting my 69 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: career in the Trump era and like at the end 70 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: of that, like Obama era, Trump era, the economy was 71 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: pretty boring to cover. You know, you had that slow 72 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: recovery from the Great Recession, but you had that sweet 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: spot of ultra low inflation, right, jump average below two 74 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: percent inflation target all four years, right, you had really 75 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: low interest rates, and you also did it while slowly 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: creeping up to what economists called full employment. Now you 77 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: know it was it was started with the massive with 78 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: the massive COVID spending, and then Biden really just lit 79 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: the economy on fire, because you know, when you add 80 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: up the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, American Rescue Plan, which alan 81 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: was like two trillion dollars. 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: And. 83 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: Inflation Reduction Act altogether, that's like an extra four trillion 84 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: on top of just the COVID spending and on top 85 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: of the trillions that we spend each year on just entitlements. 86 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: So on the meta perspective, it's great that we haven't 87 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: hit a recession yet, because the FED has done a 88 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: much better job than like say, in the seventies when 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: they dialed back those those you know, interest rate hikes, 90 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: they yo yod a lot, and then you got a 91 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: lot of rebound inflation. And they're not doing it. But 92 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: the issue is that right now we're dealing with a 93 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: president that is diametrically opposed to what the FED is doing. 94 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: Likely in the eighties you had Paul Volker who gets 95 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: like a lot of the credit, but he was working 96 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: with Ronald Reagan that was willing to dial back spending 97 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: and engage in like a lot of pro growth policies. 98 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: You have Joe Biden that is actively working against the 99 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: Federal Reserve right now. Like there's the way in which 100 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 2: everyone in Congress is complicit, and that's Republicans that refuse 101 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: to touch entitlements, Republicans that voted along for let's say, 102 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: the infrastructure package. But like still Joe Biden is taking 103 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: it a dramatic step further with you know, just just 104 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: something that's incredibly recent, these student loan bailouts. The CBO 105 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: just came out with their updates, so they did one 106 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: debt projection in February since February. So what is that 107 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: four months ago they have in crease their projection for 108 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: this year's deficit by four hundred billion dollars just because 109 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: of the student loan bailouts and the big bank bailouts 110 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: from like the FBIC had to be have to had 111 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: to backstop this year and last year. And so it's 112 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: not that my fear is, oh, we're going to hit 113 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: a recession, but that the big picture is is that 114 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: as long as the spending continues like this, even if 115 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: the Fed can keep that inflation, because it is we're 116 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: finally getting signed that it's going very very very slowly, 117 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: it's finally slowing down to that two percent rate. It's 118 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: that the interest rate environment I don't think is ever 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: going to get normal again. There's there's this collective delusion 120 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: that like we're going to go back to the era 121 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: of like those people who locked in a two point 122 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: seven percent individ rate in March of twenty twenty, They're 123 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: going to be in those homes foreverever. It's going to 124 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: be like a futal England because we're just never going 125 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: to get those into streets again. I don't see it, 126 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: like if you just look at how much we're already spending, 127 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: Like the amount the rate at that the government spends 128 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: on paying you know, interest on the national debt has 129 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: more than doubled in the last two years. So like, 130 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: if that's how bad the bond markets are, everything trickles 131 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: down from that, Like there's there's not much the Fed 132 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: can do. They can they can try and just keep 133 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: that overnight interest rate lower, but really it it when 134 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: the spending is this bad, you know, back in the day, 135 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: Ross Perrot is able to run as a populist by 136 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: explaining how government spending trickled down into not just inflation 137 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: but also high interest rates. And I'm waiting for you know, 138 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: for all the populous furor right now, I'm waiting for 139 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: there to be i mean more realistically going to come 140 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: from someone on the right than on the left, but 141 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: someone to take up that mantle of like populist fiscal responsibility. 142 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: We are all for this, Like refusing to do nothing 143 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: about social security is not benevolent to not just our 144 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: generation but our children and our grandchildren. They're gonna have 145 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: to fuck the both for that. 146 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: Do you feel like people understand the connection between spending 147 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: and like how expensive things are in stores. I feel 148 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: like you're You're absolutely right. I don't think anybody is 149 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: making those connections. I completely don't think anybody's touching entitlements. 150 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: I think that's so off the table. I think Republicans 151 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: have to begin to brag about how they would never 152 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: touch entitlements, which is really different than it was, you know, 153 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: not that long ago, but so taking that off the table. 154 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: But just the general connection. Do you think the average 155 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: person understands that the amount that the government spends is 156 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: related to what happens to them at the grocery store. 157 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: I think they understand it, or at least on like 158 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: a gut level, they feel it a lot more than 159 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: they did four years ago, because you see, like the 160 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: fact that voters not just to rate the economy in 161 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: general poorly rate their own finances pretty poorly or at 162 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: best mediocre, and also blame Biden's policies in particular, right, 163 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 2: because yeah, world leaders across the West, the G seven, 164 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: they're all pretty poorly rated. But Biden gets hammered in 165 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: the particulars like people specifically say that his spending is 166 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: in part to blame. Did they understand the minutia of it? 167 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 2: I don't think so. But I was shocked to see 168 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: how badly the student debt relief, not just how badly 169 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: it polls explicitly, like when people ask like do you 170 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: approve of this? Because like that you kind of expect, 171 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: but just it has not made a difference when it 172 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: comes to the youth vote, like his key is. Harryenton 173 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: from CNN was breaking down the polling among African American 174 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: voters by age, and it's like African American voter is 175 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: over fifty, they have basically stayed with Biden and like 176 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: the same amount. It's all those younger than fifty that 177 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: have been running away from him. Trump could be doing 178 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: better with Black voters in this election than any Republican 179 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: since Richard Nixon, which tells you something about how bad 180 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: these things are. 181 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: So, what's your if you had to guess today what 182 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: the percentage of the Black vote that Donald Trump's gonna get? 183 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: Do you have a number? I like to take overs 184 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: and unders, so you know, set the bar for me. 185 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: I mean if it's twenty. If he gets twenty percent, 186 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: it's game over. 187 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: Oh if he gets twenty percent, I think that's the 188 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: end of the Democratic Party. 189 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you rebuild that coalition? I've never seen 190 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: so many like own goals made. Biden his mandate in 191 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: office was come into office, be nice, otld uncle Joe, 192 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: don't be a jerk like Trump, and just do nothing. 193 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: Trump made the vaccines, the pandemic was over, and he could, 194 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: you know, just take credit saying I'm distributing the vaccines, 195 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: and you know. 196 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: Pass. 197 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: Quarter trillion dollar green nuclear jobs guarantee or something. You know, 198 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: it would be the biggest climate package ever passed. You 199 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: get credit for it, and then just make way for 200 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: someone else to take over in four years and instead 201 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: come and spend all this money. Give Americans the like 202 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: for for most of the electorate, they have never experienced 203 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 2: real inflation before, and they have decided they hate it. 204 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: Theoretically again, yeah, you people in the past. You know, 205 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: the big the big thing in the twenty tens was 206 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: income inequality, income inequality, income inequality. 207 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 3: Has We've reversed something like the last forty years of 208 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: income inequality expansion since like the Reagan era, just post COVID, 209 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: and Americans have decided to hate it. 210 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: Right, So it's it's because then the incomes have gone down. 211 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: It's not like our spending power has gone down. Nobody, 212 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: nobody got lifted up. Everybody you know equal always ends 213 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: up being the helvist common denominator, and it's every it's 214 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: gotten poorer, and you feel it. You feel like shocked 215 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: at the stores and you see it all the time. 216 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: And I asked, like my Twitter following recently, you know 217 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: where they feel inflation the most, and the number one 218 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: answer was obviously food. But then you have these stories 219 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: like you constantly see sort of the messaging on the 220 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: left becoming well, look, America spends the lowest number percentage 221 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: of on average, the lowest percentage of their income on 222 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: groceries compared to like Russia and Europe and lots of 223 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: other places that they looked at. But that doesn't make 224 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: me feel better when right you said the grocery store 225 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: is insanely high. It's like, it's these arguments kind of 226 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: don't make sense to me. 227 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: No. And also, we are the whole point of America 228 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 2: of US bankrolling the medical R and D for the world. Right, 229 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: we're four percent of the world's population, and we and 230 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: we and we invest forty four percent of all global 231 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: medical R and D of US funding more than the 232 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: next twenty largest militaries combined. Part of that is supposed 233 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: to be like the return on that investment is a 234 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: higher quality of life then you would get in let's 235 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: say a Scandinavian country where yeah, they report really high 236 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: life satisfaction, but they are in large part there's there's 237 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 2: somewhat of free riders when it comes to global stability. 238 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 2: Global supply chains now unfortunately a very relevant thing when 239 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: we talk about Biden letting HOUTI pirates takedown ship. Yeah no, yeah, 240 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: that that crap on those boats. We actually need that, 241 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: like when you're able to when when we were able 242 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: to spend three years with people in the laptop class 243 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: being like, oh this isn't a lockdown. I can still 244 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: order things on Amazon and get them in two days. 245 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: How breeds comes to my door? Yeah? 246 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 2: How do that? That happens because we secure the supply chains. 247 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: And if you just let over a bunch of eighth 248 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: century warlord pirates take over the Red Sea, oh no, 249 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: that goes away, and then you learn free trade is 250 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: not nothing, it's free. 251 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: So a question that I ask all of my guests, 252 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering what you're gonna say here, because a 253 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: lot of times I know what the answer is going 254 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: to be, but I don't know yours. What do you 255 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: think is our largest cultural problem? Like if you had 256 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: to pick something that we are just in trouble over. 257 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I really thought about this because my instinct 258 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: is always to go to the economic. But I know 259 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: you say cultural, and I actually, to an extent, think 260 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: that there's someone interconnected. This is knowing your background. I 261 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: have a feeling you'll say yes to this. Are you 262 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: familiar with the Kurt Vonnegut short story Harrison Vergeron, Yeah, 263 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: so Harrison Verseron to listeners who aren't familiar with it. 264 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: It's a dystopian fictional short story where there's effectively a 265 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: Marxist Lendonist government where no one can be better than anyone. 266 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: So I need to Vallerina. Yeah, and you're beautiful, you 267 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: have to weight on your ankles. And if you're beautiful, 268 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: you need to wear a mask. And the intelligency I 269 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: have to have, like your pieces in that buzz really 270 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: loudly every fifteen seconds so they can't p straight, so 271 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: that no one's smarter, no one's more beautiful, no one's 272 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: more skilled. And I kind of think the Harrison there 273 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: is a Harrison bergeron mindset that despite the fact that 274 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: we've never had it better in like the meta perspective literacy, 275 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: child mortality, poverty, hunger. You know, on a global we've 276 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: proven you know, the Malfusian method is wrong. Growth is 277 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: everything and everyone's better off. A rising tide lifts all 278 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: both Culturally, we've never adopted this Harrison bruiseron type mentality 279 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: at all levels of society. You see it in San 280 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: Francisco where they say, in the name of equity, we 281 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: have to engage in d tracking so Asian, so poor 282 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: Asian students can't take algebra in eighth grade because everyone 283 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: to be equal. You know, you see it in the 284 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: idea of the Coalition of the dispossessed backing Hamas even 285 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: though if you're you know, transgender, queer, lesbian, who you're 286 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: like me, you're a girl that likes to wear short experts. 287 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: But they would behead us in an instant if we 288 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: stepped foot in Gaza, right, But they have decide because 289 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: they can't see Israel being wealthy and Gaza being very poor, 290 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: and they have to blame Israel. They can't blame it 291 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: on poor governance and a backwards ideology It's the same 292 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: thing as the de Growthers, the Greta Thunberg's saying that 293 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: no nuclear and Elon Musk aren't going to save us 294 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: from climate change. 295 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: We need to just stop all economic advancement. 296 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: And the same thing as you know, unions themselves, unions 297 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: which used to be champions of the people within them, 298 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: we now see them dramatically just shifted inwards. They're just 299 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: the Coldian circle and firing squads where the New York 300 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: Times Guild make sure that you know, disproportionately Jews or 301 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: people can perceived as right leaning get ousted from the 302 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: New York Times. You saw what they did for Barry Weiss, 303 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: putting an act next to her name and all of 304 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: it to tether together my very highbrow and are not 305 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: very high more hybro analogy with a much lower brow analogy. 306 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: It's like, to me, the most important scene in the 307 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: movie Mean Girls, the timeless classic starring Lindsay Lohan. 308 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: That's a good one. 309 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: Doesn't matter if you are sitting across from a girl 310 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: and you call her ugly, or you call her stupid, 311 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: or you say she's less popular. You can say all 312 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: those things, and you can even make them true. But 313 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: it doesn't make you any better looking, it doesn't make 314 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: you any smarter, and we've forgotten that lesson despite all 315 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: the abundance that we see and that we see that 316 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: I benefit from trading with people in other countries, and 317 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 2: I benefit from when my coworkers get other professional opportunities 318 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: because that makes our brand and our magazine get more viewership. 319 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: Just cultures. It's a sick, sad thing, and I think 320 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: it does kind of permeate a vast swath of the 321 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: political sector because it disproportionately and most in a most 322 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: toxic form is on the left, but I do see 323 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: it a bit on the right. And that's what scares 324 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: me a bit about some of the national conservative rhetoric 325 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: when it comes to economics and trade, because no, like, obviously, 326 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: you know, screw China, let's punish China, let's try let's 327 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: punish you wrong. But put us trading with France and 328 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: US trading with Germany. That makes us all wealthier. 329 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 330 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So it's interesting. I 331 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: almost never curse, especially on the show, but I have 332 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: to say this line. It's a Jay Z line, and 333 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: he has this line that I always like, really relate to, 334 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: and it's what you eat don't make me shit. And 335 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: I just always found that to be such a great 336 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: kind of outlook on life, Like you succeeding is not 337 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: making me not succeed. That's got nothing to do with anything. 338 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: And also, I think you should write a book on 339 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: all of this. I think that the analogies that you 340 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: just put together are really interesting. I would I'm like, 341 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: I would like to read more about this, but you know, 342 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: I really think that you you should pitch a book 343 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: on this because this is it's an interesting concept that 344 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: I haven't heard of before. You know, tie it to 345 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: Vana got In. Uh. I think that that's the way 346 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: to go. 347 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: Mary. High praise from the best selling author herself. 348 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: Do you have a book in the works? 349 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: Oh my, well, that's that's like one of my goals, 350 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: and that like really has been you know. I I 351 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: actually did pitch a book where the concept was somewhat decent, 352 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: but it was right as COVID hit because I was 353 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: just going to talk about the birth and death slash 354 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: suicide of me too from Bill Clinton to the Grek 355 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: Kavanaugh confirmation. But there was the paper shortage that came 356 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: at like the beginning of COVID and my book because 357 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: of that. Yeah, and so the agent I was talking 358 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 2: to was like, yeah, if you if you have never 359 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: published anything and you don't have like a big muscle 360 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: behind you, it's impossible. And so I was like, and 361 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: that moment just passed because now you know, I think once, 362 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: once the Vice President went to go visit Jacob Blake, 363 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: a convicted domestic abuser, in the name of BLM, it 364 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: really proved me too, was dead, stomped on, would be 365 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: sacrificed for BLM, would be sacrificed for you know, Queers 366 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 2: for Palestine, all that so so fast. 367 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, what was me too? Who could even remember? 368 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 2: It was just some collective drug dream we all had together. 369 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: So you you're a columnist at the Washington Examiner. You're 370 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: recently married. How long are you're married now? 371 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: A year and two months, two months, a year and two. 372 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Months, how's newlywed life? 373 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: I Okay, this might sound like I'm bsing, but it 374 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: is dramatically easier than pre married life. Like I was. 375 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: I was never someone that like fantasized about like my 376 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: wedding day itself, because I when it comes to things 377 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: with like a lot of people, I can be like 378 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: a bit of a control freak. You know, you've multiple 379 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: people coming to live in. I was like, you know, 380 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: I you know, I had a great wedding. It was 381 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: a little bit more low key, just because we're like 382 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: we in this economy, what else could we do? But 383 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 2: also I was just like I'm just so excited just 384 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: to be married. And I was talking to my husband 385 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: one day where I was like, I had a great 386 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: time on our wedding. It was great to have. You know, 387 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: he's from Detroit, I'm from Los Angeles. Like we don't 388 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: usually have all of our families and all of our 389 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: friends in one place. But I was like, in a 390 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 2: strange way, it feels like every day that has come 391 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: after has been better than our wedding day, just because 392 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: I mean I. 393 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: I got to do it. You know that that means 394 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: something good? 395 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and classic you know, urban sex and the city generation. 396 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: Young's millennial becomes progressively more socially conservative as she settles 397 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: down and gets married. 398 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: And all that. 399 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: It happens, but there is something to be said about, 400 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: like like how much time did I waste on like 401 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 2: being sing? Not that I have any regrets because everything 402 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 2: I did me to my guy and he's just like 403 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: my person. 404 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, I've got a I've got a great video 405 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: of you doing karaoke in New York, and you know, 406 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: I really can't be replaced, and I, oh will I 407 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: will be holding that at Ransom self. 408 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 2: Oh man, oh MyD I can say I mostly remember 409 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: that night. 410 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: So you are married now, you have, you know, a 411 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: great career. Do you feel like you've made it? 412 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny maybe even like a year ago, 413 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: I would have just instinctively said, like categorical no, because 414 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: I do think it's important to like keep on hustling. 415 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: And you know, I have so many professional ambitions that 416 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: I that I see on my horizon, you know, like 417 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: writing a book Carol right, living at my dream. You know, 418 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: we we do want to have kids at some point. 419 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: Like so, so there are those things. But like just 420 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: to be a little bit oh god, I'm gonna sound 421 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: so sappy and millennial, just to be like a little 422 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 2: bit kinder to myself, I would like to say I've 423 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 2: made it in like a state of like me being 424 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: very happily married in a home that I love and 425 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: I have like the mental energy to actually like decorate 426 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: and keep really nice and host fun dinner parties. Yeah, 427 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: Like I just mentally was not in that place five 428 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: years ago. Like I was just internally way too chaotic. 429 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have made a good spouse to anyone. So, 430 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: like I do kind of want to say I've made 431 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: it in some respect of just of being the person 432 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: that is worthy of those things and you know, continually 433 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: trying to better myself constantly. Yeah, But like I think 434 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 2: it's important to compartmentalize, like the difference between making it 435 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: in our goals here on earth and making it from like. 436 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: A spiritual perspective. 437 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: Some people more like I'm making it in like a 438 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, if I'm in a car crash tomorrow and 439 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,120 Speaker 2: like I meet my maker, I forbid, They'll be like, 440 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: you know, Tiana, you've actually done to done a good 441 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: deal to make yourself a better person. Yeah, And look, personal. 442 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: Growth is what it's all about, right, Like, yeah, I 443 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: love that you Also, it's very very relatable. I was 444 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: also kind of chaotic before I settled down and got married. 445 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's a stabilizing force. It's not just 446 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: a stabilizing force for men. I think a lot of 447 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: people make that mistake, and they think that only men 448 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: are kind of made better by the institution of marriage. 449 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: But I think very much women too, you know, we better, 450 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: we become our better selves. 451 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like I have a couple of very stereotypical like 452 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: female characteristics. I'm agreeable to a fault, like in a 453 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: way where it makes me in conflict resolution historically not 454 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 2: super effective. I am highly neurotic, and marriage has totally 455 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: improved me on both fronts. And in the same way 456 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: I would say, you know, I think my husband and 457 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 2: I are both much better people today than we were, 458 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: you know, a year and two months ago. So I'm 459 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: I'm I almost like hate the fact that weddings get 460 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: such hype and like marriage itself, and just like the 461 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: fun of like we aren't focusing on two rents, Like 462 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: all of our friends are kind of shared at this point, 463 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: Like when we throw a dinner party, it's our dinner party. 464 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: Like just all like these little things that I think 465 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: are especially in this era where people just aren't getting married, 466 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: which I know you've talked about a billion times. And 467 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: Tim Carney, my colleague, has written multiple books about but like. 468 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: He's been on the show. 469 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and now that I and now that I 470 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: like am living at him like ah, okay, I see 471 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 2: the other side, right, like that one tweet that was 472 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 2: like dating as gen Z or is like getting married 473 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: as gen Z, like like writing at the last, like 474 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: the last chopper leaving the last right. Probably I never 475 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: I never had to use a dating app, thank god, 476 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 2: because I'm I'm twenty eight, so like I was still 477 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: in the era where like, you know, guys asked you 478 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: out and girls actually said yes and didn't just say 479 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: like me to me, to me too. 480 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and totally I missed the dating app. 481 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I sometimes feel like that would 482 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: have been fun, but no, you know, then you hear 483 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: the stories. The stories are like, no, it's actually not 484 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: at all fun. It's hell on earth, and you know 485 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: that's I'm sure that that's true. So and here with 486 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: your best tip for my listeners on how they can 487 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: improve their lives. 488 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So I actually I've been thinking about this because 489 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: I'm bad with self help stuff because I'm very hypercritical. 490 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: But I think no one to ask for something, no 491 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: one to say yes, and no one to say no, 492 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: just because when I see a lot of young people 493 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: they're just in this state of inertia where they don't 494 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: do any of these things. It's they don't ask to. 495 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 2: Like one of the things I love about my husband 496 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: is like when he moved out to DC many moons ago, 497 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: because he's like ten years older than me, he literally 498 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: worked in the Bush White House he moved out here, 499 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: he would go to church and just introduce himself to 500 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: people and say like, hey, I'm new here. I kind 501 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: of need like some like male mentorship, and that's amazing. 502 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: He has friends everywhere on the planet. He has friends 503 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: in Albany, have friends in New Zealand, and I just 504 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 2: love that. And like, I'm a similar ish person, Like 505 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: I'm less forward maybe like in that way, but I've 506 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: always been someone that like has asked for things if 507 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: I don't have what I want or what I need, 508 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 2: and also have always been very forceful and saying no 509 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: if I don't want something. And I just especially with God, 510 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: I think I see it with men. They don't ask 511 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: for things. They don't ask girls out, they don't ask 512 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: for promotions, they don't ask for jobs. And I'm speaking 513 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: more specifically to younger people because I don't know how 514 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 2: much advice I have for people who are older than me. 515 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: That feels presumptuous, but like for girls also like make 516 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: your yeses mean yes and your nose me no, like 517 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: don't And that was like a big conversation, you know, 518 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: with like Christine Emba's book when she was talking about 519 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: like was sexual revolution of failure or not? Like consent 520 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 2: can't be the only thing that matters, of course, not 521 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: like like your pleasure and agency also matter if you're 522 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 2: on a date, like don't just passively just say, oh, well, 523 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: I guess I should like make your guests mean yes, 524 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: yes because I want to do something and no because 525 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: no I don't want to. And I guess my second 526 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: thing this is more pertinent to like everyone is you know, 527 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: this country was built by pioneers that left home, and 528 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: like I know you and I have done, especially in 529 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: your childhood, but like even now, you did New York 530 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: to Florida. I did after university. He did Los Angeles 531 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: to DC, My husband did Detroit to DC. And I see, 532 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: like moving far from family getting like a pretty bad 533 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: rap these days. And like, of course, when we talk 534 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: about like a political sense, like places that are left behind, 535 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: that is not good when we use bad government policy 536 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: to rig against certain states or certain like that is 537 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 2: not good. But on like an individual level, if you 538 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: don't like your life, you know, don't abandon your spouse 539 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: and kids. But if you're single and you don't love 540 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: your job, change it, go somewhere else. You can always 541 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: make new friends, you can always find a new career. 542 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: If you're not finding you know, the romantic partner you like, 543 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: go like, just just just have agency. Just know, like, 544 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: this country is successful because we brought in millions of 545 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: those archetypes of people that left home to find something better. 546 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: I love that, And you know it doesn't only apply 547 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: to single people. You can also I think you know, 548 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: if you're if you're not loving the place that you're 549 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: raising your kids, and moving is hard, it's expensive. I 550 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: get all of that, but do it. Your life is short, 551 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: you know, especially childhood is short. I think I'm all 552 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: about that. Thank you so much for coming on. Love 553 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: talking to Tiana lodsher. Check her out, She's really fantastic. 554 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: Her Twitter is Tiana the First Right, Yes, and check 555 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: her out of The Washington Examiner. Thank you so much, 556 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, Caro, thanks so much for joining us on 557 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: the Carol Markowitz Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.