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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I welcome to staff. I never told your prediction if

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Speaker 2: I heard here.

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Speaker 3: Oh disclaimer, y'all were having a hard time. I am

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Speaker 3: having a hard hard time. So this is why, as

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Speaker 3: we are still celebrating all things Pride, that we decided

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Speaker 3: to add another movie Slash, a cult classic to our episodes.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, we probably should. I should have done this.

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Speaker 3: Like like the first Pride month, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: because it's such a classic when we were doing movies,

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Speaker 3: because it's such a classic that I kind of just

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Speaker 3: it wasn't in my thought process because I didn't I

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Speaker 3: didn't know it was a queer movie, by the way.

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Speaker 1: I thought. I genuinely thought that this was a cheerleader movie.

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Speaker 2: But you say that having not seen it.

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Speaker 3: Having not seen it and know nothing about it. But

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Speaker 3: what I'm talking about and what we are talking about

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Speaker 3: today is but I'm a cheerleader, the nineteen ninety nine

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Speaker 3: Slash two thousand classic cult classic movie that yes, is

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Speaker 3: a queer classic. Once again, I did not realize because

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Speaker 3: it was during the era of all of those cheerleading

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Speaker 3: with you know, Bring It On, Jawbreaker, like those types

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Speaker 3: especially like a queer lesbian, you know, women who identify

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Speaker 3: And again I did not know anything about it. I

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Speaker 3: actually we were talking about doing another movie and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: what about this movie?

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Speaker 2: And you were like, yes, I was. I was which

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Speaker 2: a couple of notes we might be doing Bring it On,

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Speaker 2: which I have not seen.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna make you yes soon.

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Speaker 2: I had never heard of it until we started doing

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Speaker 2: I had never heard of but I'm a cheerleader until

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Speaker 2: we started doing movies for Pride Month, and it consistently

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Speaker 2: showed up on the list. I can't say why. I

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Speaker 2: it was iconic, and when you suggested it, I was

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Speaker 2: very excited because I've been meaning to watch it. So

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yes, now I can watch it

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Speaker 2: for work. Yes, so this is great news. But it

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Speaker 2: was my first time seeing it as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and did you like it?

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Speaker 2: I did like it. I know we'll talk about this

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Speaker 2: it is, Yes, from the late nineties early I was

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Speaker 2: and I thought it was a very funny, bizarre thing

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Speaker 2: it wasn't quite what I thought it was going to be,

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Speaker 2: but I liked it. Yes, it did. When it first

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Speaker 2: came out, like with so many movies we talked about

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Speaker 2: on here, it got mixed reviews. In fact, when it

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Speaker 2: originally was released, this movie got a forty two percent

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Speaker 2: of one hundred on Metacritic, But the queer community was

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Speaker 2: much more receptive to it. The film did receive awards

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Speaker 2: the San Francisco International Lesbian and Gay Film Festival.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's been has since become known as a

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Speaker 3: had a moment of like, oh, this is refreshing. Many

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Speaker 3: In a blog written by Kay Burdo, I really hope

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Speaker 3: I said your name right, so sorry if I didn't.

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Speaker 3: They talked to fans of the movie and asked what

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Speaker 3: And here's some of the quotes that they got. So

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Speaker 3: is deceptively groundbreaking. There weren't a lot of depictions of

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Speaker 2: Yes, some more quotes, This was the first movie I

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Speaker 2: and it's humor. For me, the thirty eight wrote, but

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Speaker 2: I'm a Cheerleader is special for its aesthetics. The high

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Speaker 2: camp esthetic both mock straight culture, think the scenes where

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Speaker 2: the kids are learning heterosexual roles, while creating a queer

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Speaker 2: the audience looking through Megan's eyes, and she's checking out

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Speaker 2: As Marissa thirty seven pointed out, it's refreshing and funny,

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Speaker 2: such a blatant depiction of femme fem desire without thought

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Speaker 2: for the male gaze. Even more than twenty years later,

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Speaker 2: Megan and Graham's relationship is all about the two of them.

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Speaker 2: There's no male gaze in play, there's no mention of

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Speaker 2: gaze are broadly harder to find, and like in this case,

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Speaker 2: often point to the director being a woman. So yes,

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Speaker 2: the director, Jamie Babbitt, talked a bit about the complications

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Speaker 2: She talked about her experience in a two thousand and

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Speaker 2: it seemed that the industry was more harsh on the

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, So with all of that in mind, let's

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Speaker 3: jump into the plot. The movie begins with Megan played

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Speaker 3: by Natasha Leone. We all know her and love her,

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Speaker 3: her becoming a vegetarian, tofu and listening to Melissa Ethridge.

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Speaker 1: Obviously.

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Speaker 3: Soon she is shipped off to the conversion camp of

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Speaker 3: to Megan's perceived identity crisis. Soon she meets the rest

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Speaker 3: of the campgoers, including Graham played by Cleia Duval. We

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Speaker 1: It was very sweet, kind of.

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Speaker 2: It's like alcoholic Anonymous, but for parents of gay children.

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Speaker 3: But I think it was like a support group, as

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Speaker 3: so that's essentially the entire pot. And yes, this is

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Speaker 1: I feel like they did so well in being satirical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think the as I said, I

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Speaker 3: As you should, ass does she as does Megan. As

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, why would you do that to yourself?

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Speaker 2: I believe. And then yeah, because that's sort of the

436
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: whole thing they were doing was this very gendered, very

437
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: specific this is what men do, this is what women do, right,

438
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: So I do think it was purposefully diet, but I

439
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: was it was kind of like whoa, we're going for it.

440
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, coming back to they had the stereotypical gender norms,

441
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: like they really wanted to point out the ridiculousness of

442
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: what they found was normal and that that would equate

443
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 3: to making you heterosexual. Essentially women being able to scrub

444
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: and clean, vacuum, being taught to all of those things

445
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: to please the men, even to the point when they

446
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: were having the simulation and Mary Brown says, no, for

447
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: plays not necessary, the men need to get in and

448
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: get out, load load, drop his load and get out.

449
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: I was like, and Rocks like no even he was

450
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: like ah, because so that was like what just happened.

451
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: Like that was to the level of like she even

452
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: fed into that stereotype of like you're just supposed to

453
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: copulate and move on, like there's nothing it's not about

454
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: the women at all, don't worry about it. Again, the

455
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: chopping of the wood scene quite hilarious, as well as

456
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 3: the football scene, which I could have gone completely different.

457
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 3: I was waiting for like the high jinks to happen

458
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 3: when they tackled each other, and so I was very

459
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: very surprised.

460
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So essentially, for anyone who hasn't seen this, it

461
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: is like the most the aesthetics of it are very blatant.

462
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: It's like all pink here where the women are. The

463
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: men are at all blue, even their outfits. Yes, And

464
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: then they're learning these activities that are gender norms, so

465
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: like for women it is cleaning and cooking. I think

466
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: Mary Brown says something like by the time he gets home,

467
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna have dinner ready, and he's tired and he

468
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: needs all this. And the men are learning like sports

469
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: and army, like calm.

470
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: Kind of cars, cars, and I like that they are

471
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: all fake cars. Like again, this is that aesthetic. It's

472
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: like it's not quite real and that good thing that

473
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: kind of gets into I guess this is not a

474
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: theme necessarily, but it's definitely the main plot, Like, it

475
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 3: is definitely the driving force. It is the scenario essentially,

476
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: and that is the conversion therapy and you know, we

477
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 3: have this conversation. We've actually had episodes about conversion therapy.

478
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: We've talked about the level of conversion therapy. We talked

479
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: about it as a because it is Christian nationalist ideal,

480
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: and this was like beginning with them and the whole

481
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: level of we can convert you by doing these things

482
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: and some of the things that they talk about when

483
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: we talk about it today and when we talk about

484
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: in this real context, it's really really dark and really

485
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: disturbing and abusive. But one of the things that they

486
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: use is the in electro shock therapy, which is not

487
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: which kind of just like a vibrator, yes, which one

488
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: of the lesbians use that because she says pain, I

489
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: love pain like and so she would often use it.

490
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: At night.

491
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: Uh, And they they this top conversation of like, you

492
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: use this to stop your impure thoughts. We have the

493
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: main character, Megan, doing her prayers essentially her her sayings

494
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: and chance Christian chances. We're gonna say that way is

495
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: so that is what it is, sorry y'all. But in

496
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 3: order to try to stop these thoughts and impure thoughts,

497
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: in order to do that with again the electroshock therapy,

498
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: they put them when they sin or do something wrong,

499
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: they like hide them in the doghouse, they lock them

500
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: in the doghouse, which again were made obviously within the

501
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: movie to make light of it, but in actuality these

502
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: things did. There was a lot of accusations of these

503
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: things that set simulation that occurred. You know, they would

504
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: inundate them and brainwash them with porn and all of

505
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: these different things. They brought in prostitutes or sex workers

506
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: in order to convert men. Like there's so many levels

507
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: within all of these things. But of course again they're

508
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: trying to talk about the ridiculousness of this, of this

509
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: simulation of what the is this supposed to do, like

510
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: nothing except will cause more trauma and damage. What does

511
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: this do with these counseling with their parents except for

512
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: again more trauma and judgment outside of that as well

513
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: as like the cooking and cleaning, it teaches them to

514
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: lie and hide things better, to fake all of these

515
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: things again kind of like how Graham says, I'm attracted

516
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: to so and so now who is a dude, and

517
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: she's like, I have a crush on him, and they're like,

518
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's working, and in actuality, no it's

519
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: not she's lying to get out of this because she's

520
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: so miserable.

521
00:29:46,800 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that's up to me too. Is again, this

522
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: was trying to really showcase how ridiculous all of this is.

523
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: But there were a lot of themes that we know

524
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: are true of like I'll kick you out of the

525
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: house if this doesn't work. I'm paying so much money

526
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: for this to work. You won't get anything from me

527
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: from their parents at these meetings, and that's one of

528
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: the reasons Graham was so at the end trying to

529
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: get it, to get her parents to at least believe

530
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: it that had worked. But that is a real thing,

531
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: like that kind of controlling holding that a house and

532
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: food and all of that over you, based on something

533
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: that I would agree the movie did a great job

534
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: of being like, this is pretty silly, right.

535
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: Right, I think that's exactly that level of conversation.

536
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: We also have again, like with the family ties, all

537
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: of that, the level of trauma though we see, yeah,

538
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: Graham being told that that's what like, she's being like

539
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: her mother. Apparently apparently the mother had ran away with

540
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: a woman, is what it seemed to imply, and so

541
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: again that was her root story as well that this

542
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: is you know, if you did this, not only have

543
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: you lost your mother, you'll lose your father too, which

544
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: is what we see a lot. And then at the

545
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: end when they don't succumb to this ideal, they're just

546
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: kicked out and like you have nowhere to go by,

547
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: And I think that's that other conversation is like that.

548
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: We see that way too often. At least they made

549
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: this a happy ending with the parents really figuring it out. Okay,

550
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: we need to take at this as a different route.

551
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: Make it's parents that is everybody else we don't know,

552
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,239
Speaker 3: because the entirety of this is the parents wanting to

553
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: fix their children. And then that includes Mary Brown, who

554
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: wants to fix her son but she's kind of given up,

555
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: I think, but trying to make him a part of

556
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 3: this community as well, and he just doesn't care. Nope,

557
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: I said dance is about But yeah, I think that's

558
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: this whole ideal of like okay, and again then early

559
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: two thousands, late nineties, conversion camps were coming into conversation

560
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: more and more and more because people were starting to.

561
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: Be like, do you think this is good?

562
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: Wait?

563
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: Wait, of course, and they're still in practice today. Their

564
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: camps still open today, and we've talked about this. They

565
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: are still being funded by many of the fundamental Christians

566
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: and organizations, conservative organizations, and they are also the same

567
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: people who are trying to gut these policies for queer rights,

568
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: especially against so many including the trans people. I do

569
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: have that level of like, yeah, I think the newer Oh,

570
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if we could.

571
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: Have a new version of this type of comedy. I

572
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: think like.

573
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: Maybe we have age out of these comedies, meaning that

574
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: it's not surprising anymore so because this was revolutionary at

575
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: that time to take this and take this its a satire,

576
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: and then to bring it out and to allow for

577
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: public displays of affection for and I say public as

578
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: in like on film for same sex relationships. As well

579
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: as the fact that it's not as one of the quotes,

580
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: it's not enough a male gaze necessarily, as well as

581
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: the fact that this is not for heterosis people like

582
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: this is for the queer community point blank, with the

583
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: hopes that people starts questioning these things.

584
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: I think the fact that it wasn't played necessarily for sexuality,

585
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: but it was still sexual, but also it wasn't while

586
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: it is a comedy that the relationships between them wasn't

587
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: the funny. It wasn't played for a life right that

588
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: they were attracted to each other, because like everybody at

589
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: this place that was supposed to be quote reformed, was

590
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: attracted to some one else of the sex out of

591
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: this place, and it like, there's comedy around that, but

592
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: it wasn't played. We're not laughing at them, right. So

593
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: I think that that was a very refreshing thing and

594
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: it just felt to me it was nice that it

595
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 2: was almost like and I know I'm coming way later,

596
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: but for me watching it now, it was nice. It

597
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: was almost like not a big deal in it.

598
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, yeah, it's a rom com.

599
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: It was expected that they would be together, Like you

600
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: were rooting for them to be together.

601
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you wanted them to end up together.

602
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: And they had their kind of like ups and downs,

603
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: but then they ended up together. And going back to

604
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: our conversation we had with we had about the term

605
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: mother the other day, I did think it was interesting

606
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: that there was sort of this like x X gay,

607
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: here's where you go, right if you've got nowhere else

608
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: to go, right?

609
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: Who Also, like I wanted to add this was one

610
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: of the best examples of relationships when they had a

611
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: moment of being like short with each other and then

612
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: like acknowledging it and then having Megan be like what

613
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: to see confrontation, but then to see them make up

614
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: and then just move on.

615
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I love that.

616
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: I love that they added that scene for the x

617
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: xkys Larry and Lloyd Morgan Gordon is who they were,

618
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: and like coming into seeing that from being chastised constantly

619
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: and then just telling each other to shut up. Essentially

620
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: Mary Brown telling everybody shut up that they disagreed with her,

621
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: and to seeing these two having a moment talking it

622
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: out very split second and then moving on. It's like, oh,

623
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: she's like what what. Oh, It's like oh, I like that.

624
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: It was just like short clip, but that was significant enough.

625
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I like that they portrayed their well

626
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: relationship in a healthy manner, as opposed to what we

627
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 3: see oftentimes where it becomes all kinds of scattered and

628
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: they're like this is such a madic and da da

629
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 3: da da. But like we see them being like, no,

630
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: this is normalized, this is normal, This is a relationship,

631
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: and this is how you get through those tough times,

632
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: and in any relationship it can be both ways.

633
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I liked that too, And it was especially

634
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: nice because there is a scene we didn't talk about

635
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: where Megan sees two of the guys kissing and like

636
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: it was like and reports them and it just felt

637
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 2: like such a betrayal, even if at this point she's

638
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: still trying to graduate and fit in and do all

639
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: of that. So it was nice to see sort of

640
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: her coming around to that camaraderie, right support. Yeah. I

641
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: thought that was an interesting thad too, because especially with

642
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: Graham being so like this right and then at the

643
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: end still wanting to graduate and Meghan being like, oh

644
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go all in, really go for it. Uh yeah,

645
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: I really like it.

646
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah I did too. I now know why this is a.

647
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: Cl classic in general, because I was like, uh, okay,

648
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: okay again, Like I said, at that point, when I

649
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 3: first I didn't think I got I said, I guess

650
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: I didn't watch.

651
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: The preview well enough, or they did the previews.

652
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure during that time they didn't put any content

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Speaker 3: that showed a relationship for same sex gender. I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: almost positive the previews would just have been her doing

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Speaker 3: that cheerleading thing and then her going into the hikings

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Speaker 3: and like, so I assumed.

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Speaker 1: It was just a cheerleading.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, completely unbeknownst to me at that time. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: moving on, And I was like, yah, And I'm not

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Speaker 3: really sure why I didn't watch it, because obviously I

661
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Speaker 3: like to bring it on.

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00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: I am honestly fascinated. I would love to hear from

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Speaker 2: listeners who saw this when it came out. But again,

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Speaker 2: going back to that conversation we have a joey about bottoms.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of surprised this got made. Yeah, And when

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Speaker 2: I was watching it, I was like, and that made

667
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: me kind of sad, because yeah, it's like you said,

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Speaker 2: it's not explicit. There's nothing about it that is overly

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Speaker 2: sexualized or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no nudity, that's barely any language. No, like

671
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Speaker 3: I think Scott rated in C. Seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just because it's not from a male gaze,

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Speaker 2: because in the beginning, like you said, there is the

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Speaker 2: shot of cheerleaders, but it's from her gaze. And if

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00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: that was another movie that was from the male gaze,

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Speaker 2: that would not.

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Speaker 1: Reach me through it all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but because it was her and her being like,

679
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Speaker 2: oh maybe I like women. This is I mean, honestly, yeah,

680
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Speaker 2: it's kind of bizarre to me. It's really hard.

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Speaker 3: I honestly, I had assumed it was because PG thirteen

682
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: was rare. Yeah, but I mean it still existed, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean it started like it was created in nineteen

684
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Speaker 3: eighty four, so it's existed for over fifteen years. I

685
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: don't understand how anyway, that's the whole again. This is

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00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 3: that bigger conversation of like what, guess what and why?

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Speaker 3: Adding on, there was a musical in two thousand and

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Speaker 3: six based on but I'm a cheerleader, so I do

689
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Speaker 3: know that. Just an FYI, everyone, bring it on, say

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00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: two thousand films. I was in the same year. It

691
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: was PEG thirteen, and they actually talked about fingering legitimately,

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Speaker 3: and there's a scene where he's fingering her while she's

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Speaker 3: in a cheerleading post.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I bet it's that there's discussion

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00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: hints of masturbation. I bet that's a big reason why.

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Speaker 2: But I'm a cheerleader.

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Speaker 3: And there's so much language and like, bring it on.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the F word is in there,

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Speaker 3: but I know they say all the other offensive words.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I actually didn't know it was

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00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: rated at are I would not have guessed. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have guessed that either.

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00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's that bigger conversation two thousands and where

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00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: we are today, although that's still level, like outside of

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00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: like bottoms and all of that, we still see very

706
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: much the Bay or gay tropes a lot, a lot,

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00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: and then sexualization instead of just like relationships of gay

708
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: relationships or queer relationships, you know, like that's that's the

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00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: whole thing as well. But yeah, this movie was quite

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Speaker 3: uh refreshing. I'm sure I would have been in m

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Speaker 3: I may have known I would have been in shock

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00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: by this movie in two thousand, because you know, I

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00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: was very much in my touchways.

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Speaker 1: Even though he still.

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Speaker 3: Then I was like, this doesn't make sense because I've

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00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: definitely met, you know, queer people who were obviously like

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00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: they haven't always have been and they're happy or when

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00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: they like, immit that. So I knew that in two thousands,

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Speaker 3: So I don't know who knows I would have reacted.

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Speaker 2: I would have been I would have been quite surprised,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think I would have been like this

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00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: is gross or anything. I think I would have been like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it makes sense to me. It just makes sense to me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.

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00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: Because I did see. Oh I did see. I had

727
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: seen other movies where women kissed, and I remember it

728
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: being like, oh, it must be so sexual and wrong.

729
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: I was just kind of like, I don't know, just kissing.

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Speaker 3: My mind always went to, which is very like narcissistic

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Speaker 3: of me to be like, huh, that's not for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: am I like questioning why don't I find that attractive?

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Speaker 1: Like I'm actually sitting there going huh, I guess I don't.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm not geting, like questioning whether or not

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00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: I find that attractive. It's this level instead of being

736
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: like that's gross, just internalizing it to myself, like attaching

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Speaker 3: it to my own reactions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that makes sense. And I think like

739
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Speaker 2: the importance of the who's telling the story and the

740
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: gaze because the Cays like saying the gays. I like

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Speaker 2: the fact that it's not male gaze based is very

742
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: important because so many times popular media does really sexualize

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Speaker 2: not even lesbians, just women kissing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think for this movie, I would go

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Speaker 1: with that.

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Speaker 3: This is definitely much more geared towards women, like this

747
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: is a like feminist movie for that route of like

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Speaker 3: allowing their own conversations alone, their own like romance with

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Speaker 3: everybody else being supporting characters, which is lovely.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I enjoyed it. I'm glad we got to watch

751
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: it too. I was very excited when you suggested it.

752
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Speaker 2: That was very very excited.

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Speaker 3: Because just like you said, it was like the top ten,

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Speaker 3: Like why have you not watched this type of.

755
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: Movie consistently shows up? Yeah, and it's it's screening around

756
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Speaker 2: Atlanta right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they got it. Yeah I knew that. Yeah, hm

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Speaker 1: they can't iconic.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely Well listeners, If you have any thoughts

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Speaker 2: about this movie, if you saw it when it came

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Speaker 2: out and we're shocked or not shocked or whatever you thought,

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