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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets Up? Listeners back here for episode

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Speaker 1: number fifty six of the met Stub podcast. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm your co host draftneck Bark, Mark Luio here with

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Speaker 1: James Jeter had no range, we got no games to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Seasons over. You guys know that I don't

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of stuff going on in the

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Speaker 1: Mets world, because why wouldn't there be postseason baseball. Mets

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Speaker 1: don't slow down regardless of not being in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: Luis Rojas Gohn. We got Paul de Podesta rumors, we

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Speaker 1: Rojas gone, and let's talk about that first. I think

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Speaker 1: that should be the first thing we address, since we

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Speaker 2: So it happened when I was about halfway through the

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Speaker 2: edit of it, which was fun. That was great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bad timing for sure. How are you feeling about

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Speaker 1: Rojas being gone? I mean, both of us have been

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Speaker 2: Him, definitely, and just based on the timing of the

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Speaker 2: But you do the line all the time. Louis Rojas

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Speaker 2: not the solution. We trademarked that for the Mets du

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Speaker 2: and just it's a it's fine, he's gone. I feel

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Speaker 2: Louis Rojas, nor his exists no longer existens as the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was a really good way to

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Speaker 2: which for the Mets, this is saying a lot. Generally

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Speaker 2: But it's not really just because the organization, because of

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Speaker 2: And we're not really going to know who should be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like it's going to be really tough

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Speaker 1: game stuff. It's kind of what we saw with Louis

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Speaker 1: I mean, even we had Brody van Wagon in, I mean,

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Speaker 1: He really wasn't given the proper tools to succeed. That

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Speaker 1: I think that's what happened with Louis Rojas.

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Speaker 2: How many times in the history of professional sports have

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Speaker 1: He did you read that ESPN article where, like a

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Speaker 2: I did that thought was kind of peculiar that so

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Speaker 2: that was interesting. Reed, do you have any any fun

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Speaker 2: Not that Luis Rojas didn't, but he did not play

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Speaker 2: But I like the fact that Cairo, like McEwing, was

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Speaker 1: Who's a bit of a nut job like Joe mccewing

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't. I don't I think that would be.

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Speaker 1: It's actually not. I prefer Buck over one.

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Speaker 1: I prefer Buck over Clint Hurdle. Buck show Walter at

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Speaker 1: With his stacks the Pirates. Clint Hurdles stinks the Pirates.

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Speaker 2: He dragged the Neil Huntington Pirates to a couple consecutive

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Speaker 2: playoff appearances.

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Speaker 1: When MVP Andrew mccutchey was there.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. How many one MVP can that put you

437
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs is bullshit?

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Speaker 1: But anyway, buckshol Walter's not one of them. I'll give

439
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Speaker 1: you another guest though, because I think I think we

440
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Speaker 1: all know who this one's gonna be. It's it's mister

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Speaker 1: Toziel was listed on this there's that's just esen ybing Like,

442
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Speaker 1: we're gonna throw one of our employees on there. So

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Speaker 1: help me. God, if Todzial is the manager of the

444
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Speaker 1: New York Mets, I don't know what I'm going to do.

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Speaker 2: I'll walk away.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna do. Some of the

447
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Speaker 1: other names listen on here. I also like to Carlos

448
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Speaker 1: Beltron's getting a lot of heat. He's also the favorite

449
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Speaker 1: I believe in Vegas right now on the betting onds.

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Speaker 1: Not that that really means anything, but it means a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Carlos Beltron could come back and take this

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Speaker 1: team out. I mean, aj Hinch has gotten a job back,

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Speaker 1: Alex Korra got his job back. Carlos Beltron was a

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Speaker 1: player who cheated. I mean, we're really gonna still punish

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Speaker 1: this guy for being a part of a team that cheated.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very hard to compare Beltron to Cora

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Speaker 2: or Hinch because both of them had World Series rings.

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Speaker 1: Granted, those World Series rings have huge asterisks next them

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Speaker 1: because of the cheatings.

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Speaker 2: It just based on the fact that there were multiple

462
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Speaker 2: teams cheating is still impressive to win as a cheater,

463
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Speaker 2: like if a cheather beat the cheater, it's an even

464
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Speaker 2: serious The Red Sox probably did dealt with the Astros,

465
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Speaker 2: but Beltran is a guy who's never managed the game,

466
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Speaker 2: and to go back and retract originally firing him after

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Speaker 2: these allegations after you still have no knowledge of what

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Speaker 2: he is like as a manager, especially because I see

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Speaker 2: him as similar in personality style and leadership styles to

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Speaker 2: the Louis Rojas as being kind of cool, kind of calm,

471
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Speaker 2: very reserved. Again, I don't think that's exactly what this

472
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Speaker 2: team needs. And that's why guy like Glenn hurdlel as

473
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Speaker 2: bad as he probably is in terms of baseball, he's

474
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Speaker 2: not gonna do anything. Dusty Baker is on that team

475
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Speaker 2: just to hang out with the guys, keep everybody loose.

476
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they give him like one decision a week,

477
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Speaker 2: Like Dusty, you get one guy a week. He use

478
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Speaker 2: it wisely well.

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Speaker 1: Dusty Baker can't win a playoff series for his life.

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Speaker 1: The dude always has first place teams. Clint Hurdle, I

481
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Speaker 1: don't know, man, He just Clint Hurdle feels like like,

482
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Speaker 1: I know you're saying like you would take him because

483
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Speaker 1: you think the modern manager doesn't really actually do much.

484
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Speaker 1: I don't think Clint Hurdle is willing to be that

485
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Speaker 1: modern manager.

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Speaker 2: Then he's not gonna be the manager that that's simple is.

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Speaker 1: That I'm worried that he'll just like put on He'll

488
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Speaker 1: put on a nice face and he'll say yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: do it, and then he gets it. He's like mutiny.

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Speaker 1: Clint Hurdle will lead a good mutiny. That's one thing

491
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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how you can have this romantic view

493
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Speaker 2: of Terry Collins as a manager. I think Clint Hurdle

494
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Speaker 2: is atrocious.

495
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want the guy want I don't want

496
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Speaker 1: Terry Collins back. That's the big thing here. So as

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Speaker 1: much as I love Terry, I don't want him back

498
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Speaker 1: by any means.

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Speaker 2: I just remember that video of Clint Hurdle when they

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Speaker 2: had the fight with a Mere Garrett at the trade

501
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Speaker 2: deadline twenty nineteen, his last year with the Pirates, and

502
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Speaker 2: he was like the first guy out of Doug Aut

503
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Speaker 2: ready to just swing on like yasa POI. It's like

504
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Speaker 2: I kind of want a little bit of a nut

505
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Speaker 2: job to manage this team, because of course we know

506
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Speaker 2: that there's not anything really happening nuts and bolts wise

507
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Speaker 2: to this roster that the manager is gonna be apart.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is why I really like a guy. If

509
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go old schooling a little crazy, I love

510
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Speaker 1: Ron Washington as an option. Ron Washington the cocaine cowboy.

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Speaker 1: First off, i'd be too crazy. I first, he's an

512
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Speaker 1: incredible coach. Incredible coach, Like, see what he's done to

513
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Speaker 1: the Braves infield. They have become fantastic field. Austin Riley

514
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Speaker 1: had a unbelievable defensive year, and this was a guy

515
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Speaker 1: who had basically just stones for hands.

516
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Speaker 2: Marcus smi in credits Ron Washington with turning him from

517
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Speaker 2: one of the worst defensive infielders in baseball so literally

518
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Speaker 2: one of the best almost overnight. It wasn't overnight. There

519
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: was a lot of painstaking TV, these hard work that

520
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Speaker 2: was put in over years, but it took two years

521
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Speaker 2: from Marcus Semi and to be almost unplayable. Shortstops of

522
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Speaker 2: being a guy who's gonna warrant twenty five million dollars

523
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Speaker 2: do on the free agent market this season.

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Speaker 1: Like Ron Washington, I think if we're gonna go the

525
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Speaker 1: old school route is my choice because he's he has

526
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Speaker 1: the experience, that's for sure. He is I loved around baseball.

527
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Speaker 1: Everybody loves him. Now he does love a little bit

528
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Speaker 1: of the bugger sugar. We can't ignore that. But Ron

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Speaker 1: Washington wins baseball games. He brought the Rangers to the

530
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Speaker 1: World Series two years in a row. They didn't win it,

531
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Speaker 1: but god damn, when's the last time the Mets have

532
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Speaker 1: been to the two World Series back to back years? Never?

533
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Speaker 2: So I don't disagree with you there, But again I don't.

534
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Speaker 2: I don't see how that's very different from Clint Hurt.

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Speaker 2: You're just picking because.

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Speaker 1: Ron Washington, like everyone around baseball, talks about how great

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Speaker 1: Ron Washington is and it's just a matter of time

538
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Speaker 1: before he gets the next job. Clint Hurdle and Buck

539
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: Showalter have been banished from baseball. Nobody wants them. Nobody

540
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Speaker 1: wants to even get those guys near a baseball team

541
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Speaker 1: because they're just like skeletons that are decrepit and just

542
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Speaker 1: they seep in this awful information to your head. I'm

543
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Speaker 1: pretty sure Clint Hurdle is one of the guys like

544
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Speaker 1: Mike Soosho, who's like, you talk about analytics in this

545
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Speaker 1: locker room, I'm gonna punch you in the face. I

546
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Speaker 1: don't want that.

547
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Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you that. If that's true,

548
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Speaker 2: then he won't get the job. But I just think

549
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Speaker 2: you don't even necessarily have to use Clint Hurdle as

550
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Speaker 2: the person here, but just the concept that this men's

551
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Speaker 2: team might do better with a very experienced manager who's

552
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Speaker 2: aware that he's going to have no power. As long

553
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Speaker 2: as this person's aware that they'll have no power, I

554
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Speaker 2: think it's totally fine just to have a semi lunatic

555
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Speaker 2: in the clubhouse who's gonna rattle rattle cages and keep

556
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Speaker 2: guys in check, and who's also going to be respected

557
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Speaker 2: by the New York News media because they're going to

558
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Speaker 2: be ruthless to whoever this is, because they always are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be fair. Interesting guy here that is

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Speaker 1: listed as well, Eduardo Perez. And the reason I say

561
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Speaker 1: is interesting because we've been talking about teen Puerto Rico

562
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Speaker 1: a lot on this podcast. We talk about it all

563
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Speaker 1: the time. Eduardo Perez has managed Team Puerto.

564
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Speaker 2: Rico because Cairo is also Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wonder if that will play into it

566
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Speaker 1: a little bit as well. I know Beltron's also Puerto Rican.

567
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Speaker 1: I know we're kind of making a weird storyline out

568
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Speaker 1: of nothing here, but there is like, especially if Bobby

569
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Speaker 1: Bias comes back, there's a Puerto Rican like fair little

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Speaker 1: brotherhood with this team.

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Speaker 2: Cairo's gonna sweil. Oh my bad.

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Speaker 1: That I mean could lead to maybe a guy like Edwardopress,

573
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Speaker 1: who was in the talks in the previous manager search.

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Speaker 1: I think he was what, yeah, top three option, so

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Speaker 1: follows me on Twitter, So that'd be cool. But I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be against a war pres because while I don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily like, go, oh, EDWARDA. Perez the brightest baseball mind

578
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Speaker 1: in the world, we have to sign him. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: he probably is a guy that will be very open

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Speaker 1: to listening to what the analytics department and what you know,

581
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Speaker 1: the guys up top have to say.

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Speaker 2: Incredibly open. I just the one thing that I questioned

583
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Speaker 2: about while the Perez is whether he actually has the fire.

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Speaker 2: And we have seen him manage on the world scale,

585
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Speaker 2: and he did seem to have some of that, but

586
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Speaker 2: whether he can that emotion and that's that kind of

587
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Speaker 2: crazy attitude energy every single day if he can withstand

588
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Speaker 2: the full riggers of one hundred and sixty two game

589
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Speaker 2: Major League season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I guess to talk on the last

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Speaker 1: guy here, John Gibbons. No fucking shot in the world.

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Speaker 1: Should we get John Gibbons? Please?

593
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Speaker 2: No, I don't. John Gibbons moves the needle negatively.

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Speaker 1: Yes, No, that is not a good one there, But

595
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Speaker 1: Mets managers search Again, it's not gonna really happen until

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Speaker 1: you get a president of baseball ops or a GM

597
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Speaker 1: because those guys really make the decisions at the end.

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Speaker 2: Of the day, and those guys are monumentally more important

599
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Speaker 2: the manager every team. You are thinking about the wrong

600
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Speaker 2: era of baseball if you think the manager has a

601
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Speaker 2: lot to do with the success of a baseball team. Yep, truly.

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Speaker 1: And that kind of leads into our next little piece

603
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Speaker 1: here about we got some GM rumors and we saw it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Twitter accounts said it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how credible it is.

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Speaker 2: Like MLB network News, which doesn't seem reputable. I think

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Speaker 2: they have a couple of thousand followers. Yeah, but some

608
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Speaker 2: for every single person in Mets world went kind of

609
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Speaker 2: crazy with this rumor because it's a really cool rumor

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Speaker 2: that everybody wants to now start to believe me.

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Speaker 1: Included Yeah, Paul D. Podesta, you might know that name, Moneyball, Cleveland, Brown's, Oakland,

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Speaker 1: A's with Seattle to a little bit. I think even

613
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Speaker 1: at one point Diego, San Diego.

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Speaker 2: It's been all over the place for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Paul de Podesta possibly considered the lead candidate for the

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Speaker 1: Mets GM spot. And that's kind of huge, whether it's

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Speaker 1: true or not. I mean, even to talk about it

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Speaker 1: kind of exciting.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't reference yet because the Browns had a the

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Speaker 2: day has dropped against one of the best NFL games

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Speaker 2: I've seen a very long time, Browns versus Chargers, and

622
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Speaker 2: I think a big reason it was one of the

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Speaker 2: best games is because those two teams who were laughing

624
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Speaker 2: stocks for most of the two thousands have now become

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Speaker 2: two of the three or four smartest teams in the NFL.

626
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Speaker 2: And deep Podesta is a massive reason behind the Browns switch.

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Speaker 2: He was signed on by them to be the chief

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Speaker 2: strategy Officer, which is that's just such a fucking cool title.

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Speaker 2: Like I handled the strategy for this organization in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: The Browns have had a massive renaissance since then. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to compare chief strategy officer of the football team

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Speaker 2: to president of baseball ops for a baseball team. But

633
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Speaker 2: the weird parts about this situation is that he just

634
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Speaker 2: signed a five year deal to remain with the Browns

635
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Speaker 2: this offseason. He himself has oversaw the organization through three

636
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Speaker 2: different general managers between Sashi Brown mister Draft Pick, John

637
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: Dorsey mister Football Now, Andrew Berry mister Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 2: And of course, during that time, the Browns have gone,

639
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: like I said, from a laughing stock to one of

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Speaker 2: the premier franchise football, which is even bizarre to say so.

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00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: I think it'd be a slam dunk to get him

642
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: back into baseball because he's simply brilliant and success seems

643
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Speaker 2: to follow him. The other side of that coin is, again,

644
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Speaker 2: he did just sign a five year deal, so you're

645
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: gonna have to offer big, huge money to let him go. Also,

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Speaker 2: the fact that he's willing to sign a five year

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Speaker 2: deal means that he is very stable, comfortable, and he

648
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: kind of wants to see this Browns thing through because

649
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: Paul de Badesta. While he's very famous for moneyball and

650
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: his role with the A's, he is a football guy

651
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: at heart. I believe he was a college football player

652
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: with whatever Ivy League school he went to. When he

653
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: took this Brown job, he said it was always a

654
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: dream of his to run an NFL team rather than

655
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: a baseball team, which I'm sure he's got plenty of

656
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: opportunities to do. The other complicated aspect here is that

657
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: he worked with the Mets for five years from twenty

658
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: ten to twenty fifteen as the vice president of scouting

659
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: and player development for the Mets under Sandy Alderson. So

660
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: while we're talking about this massive offseason of re rejuvenating

661
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: the organization, replenishing the talent, and changing things, this will

662
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: be more are the same because he has ties to

663
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: most of the guys on this roster, yeah, being that

664
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: they're all homegrown.

665
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Now. To be fair, he has drafted pretty well, and

666
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: it seems like his scouting in his at least understanding

667
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: of talent. I mean, you can even look at way

668
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: he's done with the Browns, like the quality of players

669
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: that have come in, whether it's through the draft or

670
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: just any sort of evaluation. This guy kind of seems

671
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: to know that something is there. I mean, look at

672
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: the guys that he brought with the Mets. There's some

673
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: good names.

674
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's incredible, especially again you watch his drafts

675
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: that you've had with the Browns. The Brown's notorious for

676
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: having the worst drafts in the NFL history before he

677
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: got there, and now recently they've been having some of

678
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: the best. But those six years that he was with

679
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: the Mets to twenty fifteen, he was the parts of

680
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: the drafts that gave the Mets Matt Harvey, Jacob de Gram,

681
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: Michael Fulmer, Tomas Neto, Paul Sewald, Chris Flexen, Brandon Nimo, Luiski, Yormet,

682
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil, Michael Conford. Though, and this one shocked me

683
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: to my core. Shane McClanahan, who Paul De Pedesta made

684
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: the point to take in the twenty seventh round of

685
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen draft. Of course, he went to College

686
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: South University of South Florida and probably was not seriously

687
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 2: going to consider the Mets. But there's clearly an eye

688
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: for talent giving you those names. It just happened in

689
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: a five year stretch to get ten eleven major League

690
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: baseball players, some of the high high end major league

691
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: baseball players. That's a massive achievement. Of course, he was

692
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: also a part of the front office that drafted Gavin

693
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: Chacchini and Desmond Lindsay in first rounds. But you're not

694
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: gonna hit every him. Be draft Dom Smith as well

695
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: wherever you want to place him in this list, because

696
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: we don't just Bookusti lot on Dom. He did reach

697
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: the major league, so that's a victory. But he is

698
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: really smart and very successful and he's incredibly good. But again,

699
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: you'd be pulling in a guy who has prior connections

700
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: to most of this team, and I think that is

701
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: not exactly what we've talked about wanting for the last

702
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: few weeks.

703
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird because we definitely want something new, we

704
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: want something fresh. We don't want a lot of the

705
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: old or new old essentially or whatever that saying is

706
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: going to be. And he would be that. It would

707
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: not be new, It would not be something like outside.

708
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: It would basically be like him coming back. He took

709
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: a little break to go with the Browns and then

710
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: just be now with the Mets again.

711
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: So so he was with the Mets for six years.

712
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't think people really remember realize that. I know

713
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: it was kind of a shock to me. I remember

714
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: him being a part of the front office, but I

715
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: don't recall his role being this prominent, especially the fact

716
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: that Alderson signed him and him and Alderson also worked

717
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: together for multiple years in San Diego before they both

718
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: came to the Mets when the Padres organization was floundering

719
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: and bud Selik basically installed Sandy Alderson as the CEO

720
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: for that team to keep them afloat and make sure

721
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: that they were handling their operations in a proper way.

722
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: And Sandy also was in Oakland, I believe when he

723
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: was there as well.

724
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: I think for maybe a tiny bit of time, but

725
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: possibly only as an advisor. Sandy went to the Commissioner's

726
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: office in the early two thousands. I probably did spend

727
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: a few years back and forth, but Sandy did most

728
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: of his work with Oakland in the nineties.

729
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: But still like, there's definitely that connection there. Whether that's

730
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: a good connection or not, I mean, let's just say

731
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: it how it is. He definitely would be an improvement

732
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: over what we've had. I think that's it'd be throwing,

733
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: we'd be excited. Is this the right move? Is there

734
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: something better out there? I mean, we know David Stearns's

735
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: name has been floating around. We've also got the two

736
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: Dodgers guys right now names floating around, which I love

737
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: to see that. I love to see Dodgers' execs names

738
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: flying around because they're just simply one of the best

739
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: organizations in baseball.

740
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: Definitely, And I do like these two Dodgers execs a

741
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: lot because I figure, based on their relationship in each

742
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: of the roles they've occupied over the last few years

743
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, they would kind of come as a

744
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: package deal, and that deal would be Josh Burns becomes

745
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: the President of Baseball Operations and Brandon Gomes becomes the

746
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: general manager. Burns is a little bit older, and he's

747
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: already been an acting GM in Arizona and with the Padres,

748
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: while Gomes is only he's only thirty seven years old.

749
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: He's mo with a Dodgers organization for six years as

750
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: an assistant GM and a vice president of Baseball Operations,

751
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: actually pitching six years ago with the Race, which I

752
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: thought was crazy. I don't really remember him at all,

753
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: but those two guys just seem to have been a

754
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: big part of what's gone on with this Dodgers team

755
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: in the last five years when they've gone from stable,

756
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: good major league team to sensational, historical powerhouse. And they've

757
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: both held roles where you can see this one jump

758
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: being something that is logical for both of them, and

759
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: I think that that jump is what in the CBA.

760
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: This could be incorrect that has a conversation with somebody

761
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: recently that allows you to interview somebody and it's like

762
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: sees them for a role. Like I know that was

763
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: a problem with Stearns because I think he's already the

764
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: president of the Brewers. So since you can't offer somebody

765
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: an improvement, entitle or raise, they can block you from

766
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: interviewing them because the lateral move is something that they

767
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: don't really allow gms to do, which is so so

768
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: fucking stupid.

769
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird, but I mean, like it makes sense.

770
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Mets have talked about wanting to be Dodgers, e. Steve

771
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Cohen has said it himself. You want to be Dodgers East,

772
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: you'll get some of the Dodgers guys. I mean, whether

773
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: you want to believe it or not, it'd be foolish

774
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: to think that these guys didn't have some sort of

775
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: play in the Dodgers' success of recent times. I mean,

776
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: even you just look at like the farmcist m I know,

777
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: they bring in a lot of these like talented players

778
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: that Bron Trey Turner, Max Scherzer. You look at their

779
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: farm system, it's constantly loaded with talent. They're constantly getting

780
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: the best prospects and then even taking guys like Max Munsey,

781
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: Chris Taylor, guys who were basically bums and turning him

782
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: into really, really good players. There's something going on there

783
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: that's right with the Dodgers. I'd love for the Mets

784
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: to get some of that.

785
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: And I think that when we talk about these roles

786
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: a lot, it's important for fans to know that the

787
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: guys at the top are doing more of the of

788
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: the full like philosophical like organizational changes, doing more of

789
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: the big picture stuff, while the guys directly below are

790
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: doing the day to day things. Josh Burns is the

791
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: vice president of Baseball Operation, so that means he's involved

792
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: with much more of the nitty gritty, day to day

793
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: aspects of baseball operations that President Andrew Freeman is not.

794
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: Brandon Gomes is the assistant GM of the team and

795
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: the vice president of the organization. That means he also

796
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: he's doing more of the nitty gritty day to day

797
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: things like transactions, player movement, and the things that a

798
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: general we think of a general manager doing, but that

799
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: they don't actually carry out day to day. So both

800
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: of these guys, as a package deal, sandwich on top

801
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: of each other, become a very logical president of baseball

802
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: operations and general manager. They have good rapport, they have

803
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: good experience, and they have very obvious successes to point to.

804
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: And it's also important to note that last year what

805
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: kind of under the radar, but during spring training about

806
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: middle of February, the Mets hired Ben Zaumer away from

807
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: the Dodgers. He was their vice president of analytics and

808
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: now he's our head of analytics. That's an instant connection

809
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: right there. People have all worked together who have a

810
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: good I'm hoping a good seemingly good chemistry that could

811
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: become part of our front office machine that we're trying.

812
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: To build, which we definitely need, and especially going into

813
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: this offseason where the Mets have a lot of question

814
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: marks and a lot of guys to possibly bring back

815
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys to pay. Tim Britain wrote

816
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: an article about the Mets payroll and there is there's

817
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about here there. Mets are like

818
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: in a weirdly bad spot. I want to say, like,

819
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of tough, tough decisions are going to

820
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: be made, and honestly, if the Mets want to do anything,

821
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to blow through the luxury tax.

822
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: It feels like I wouldn't call the Mets situation bad.

823
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 2: I would call it turbulent.

824
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a better word. I say t word of

825
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: the day.

826
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to scare anybody here. I'd say the

827
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: Mets have a very turbulent roster, a very fluid situation

828
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: going on right now, because realistically, the Mets only have

829
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: seven guys on legitimate, guaranteed contracts, and those guys are

830
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: Francisco Lindor, Jacob deGrom, Taiwan Walker, Robinson Canoe, Carlos Carrasco,

831
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: James mccannon, Trevor May. Those seven guys combined are making

832
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: one hundred four and a half million dollars next year

833
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: and one hundred and thirteen point seven million against the

834
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: competitive luxury tax when you count for all of their

835
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: bonuses and benefits and whatnot. Of course, everything we're saying

836
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: right now might be nonsense because we don't know what

837
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: the CBA is going to look like and where that

838
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: even if the CBA remains exactly one hundred percent the same,

839
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: where that competitive luxury tax line is going to be

840
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: because it moves three, five eight million depending on what's

841
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: going on in the league year, and I'm sure it

842
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: will go down because of how much less money everyone's

843
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: apparently made recently. With those seven guys, you're noticing that

844
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: we're missing a lot of very talented names off this

845
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: roster that we've been used to for a long time

846
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: or a short period of time. But Noah cinder Guard

847
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: does not have a contract. Howvier Bias definitely does not

848
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: have a contract. Milk Conforli does not have a contract.

849
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: Marcus Stroman will make everybody very aware that he does

850
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: not have a contract. Aaron Loop the one year wonders

851
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: not have a contract. Then you had your depth guys,

852
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: vr Rich hill Yari's familia. Those guys have no contracts,

853
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: and the Mets don't have the immediate right to resign

854
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: any of them, besides offering qualifying offer to the first

855
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: three guys I mentioned, Noah Sindergard, Javier Baiasim out can four. Though.

856
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: It's funny that the one player option on this team

857
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: is Kevin Pilar, which is bizarre. Nuts he has an

858
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: option to come back to the Mets for three mil

859
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: or they it's like a vesting dual option, so I

860
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: think then he could possibly decline that, but the Mets

861
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: will have to pay a million to buy him out.

862
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: It's weird. I don't know. I don't think he'd accept

863
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: one year for three million. I almost hope he doesn't.

864
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: I just I care so little about Vin Pillar at

865
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: this point. I think clearly's better. But again, this roster

866
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: doesn't exactly have a lot of guaranteed players on it

867
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: right now, so we will need to amass a lot

868
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: of depth, whether that is Kevin Pillar or not. It's

869
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: because most of this team is arbitration eligible, so there's

870
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: going to be some pretty significant pay increases for guys

871
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: in the roster, namely Pete Alonzo and Jeff McNeil, who

872
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: are both first time eligible.

873
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're gonna get paid, I mean, not necessarily

874
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: McNeil as much as Alonzo, but Alonzo is due for

875
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: quite the pay bump here.

876
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo's in position to have one of the most

877
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: lucrative first arbitration agreements ever literally in the history of

878
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: this system, just because he's hit so many home runs

879
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: in his first three years as a player that he's

880
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: gonna be looking at a number that's between seven and

881
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 2: eight million dollars, which is very rare for guys entering

882
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: the first year of arbitration. Like I figured, McNeil, I'll

883
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: make about four yeah, which maybe four to four point

884
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: two yeah, which just be fair for them. But Pete

885
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: is going to get a fat race.

886
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: I've seen a range from McNeil anywhere from like the

887
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: high twos to the low like to high three or

888
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: high threes, low force kind of thing. So like it's

889
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: really gonna depend on I guess you know how they arbitrate?

890
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: Is that the word arbitrate?

891
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And arbitrations, we've learned from other organizations in the past,

892
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: have absolutely and in totality ruined relationships between players and organizations.

893
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 2: We all remember Dell and Betansis the Yankees fighting tooth

894
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: and nail to take all his money. Because he had

895
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: no saves and they were viewing saves as very valuable

896
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: and arbitration in that particular. Here, so you can see

897
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: a guy like Jeff McNeil, who's number one attribute is

898
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: his batting average, and said, the Mets arbitrariors will come

899
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: to the table and say that we have proof that

900
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: batting average does not lead to run production. Tell Jeff

901
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: McNeil he's an asshole to his face, and then he

902
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: will probably hate them forever, because that's the kind of

903
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: guy he is.

904
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's arbitration is not fun. Settling out of arbortraction,

905
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: that's fun. We like that. We like a good settle

906
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: that don't have to air our grievances to each other.

907
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: But you don't really want the players in your team

908
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: and your team itself having lawyers battle each other for

909
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: for for what will actually turn out to be pennies

910
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: on the dollar in terms of Steve Cohen's wealth. But

911
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: then we also in terms of first arbitration guys, we

912
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: have Tomas Nio, Luiski, Joram and a boy Drew Flow.

913
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: None of those guys are gonna break the bank, but

914
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: they're all going to come back to this team with

915
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: modest raises. And then you have the guys who are

916
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: middle arbitration, Brandon Nimmo, who has been open to working

917
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: at a contract extension, Seth Lugo, who we don't really

918
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: know what's really going on with him. Ed when diav

919
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: is gonna get a fat raise because he continues to

920
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: save a lot of the games, to strike a lot

921
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 2: of guys out, Miguel Castro, Dominic Smith and JD. Davis.

922
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: All of those guys are going to be tendered and

923
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: receive modest raises. Tim Britton and everyone should read this

924
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: article if you're suscribe to the Athletic. Tim Britton does

925
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: great work. But he asked Mays that that group of

926
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: guys I just said, between also McNeil and Pete, their

927
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: payroll this year is going to raise from twenty one

928
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: million to thirty five million. Generally, you could you can

929
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: kind of put these things in a ballpark that could

930
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: be off by a million or two in each direction,

931
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: but that's a good way to tell it. And you

932
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 2: add that fourteen million dollar raises, you bring Robinson Canoe's

933
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 2: twenty million back on the books, you type in raises

934
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: right here for for Lindor and to Grom they're just

935
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: a part of their contracts, and you're looking at a

936
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: roster that is suddenly not complete but mildly expensive. Yeah.

937
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: No, the Mets roster is like weirdly expensive. It doesn't

938
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: really make sense when you look at it. But like

939
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: you said, Lindor to Grom, Cano, Canoe's the real killer.

940
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what it comes down to, is

941
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: that twenty million dollars could be used so well elsewhere

942
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: so well, and we have to give it to Robinson Cano, who,

943
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: whether you guys like it or not, is going to

944
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: be a part of this team next year, probably playing

945
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: third base.

946
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: I told you that in May and you yelled at yeah.

947
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: Because I was mad. I didn't want to see him there.

948
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: I wanted all positive vibes. The Mets were doing good

949
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: things in May. I wanted to be excited for the future. Yeah,

950
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: Robinson is probably gonna get four hundred at bass next year.

951
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe he could we spike his food,

952
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: give him some steroids he doesn't know about, and just

953
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: suspend him again for another year. I don't want to

954
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: see him on the field because it seemed like when

955
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: he was playing well, you want to know why, because

956
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: he was cheating, because he was taking steroids, Like, oh,

957
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: that's it's just so annoying because that's so much money

958
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: that could be used elsewhere, and we're just gonna have

959
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: to go.

960
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: To him so much money. Then, just to again wrap

961
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: up the current players with major league contracts and the

962
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: Mets roster, you have Robert Gazelman, Joey Lukezi, Trevor Williams,

963
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: Jose Pirazza, and Jose Martinez, who are all I would

964
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: say the most obvious non tender candidates on the team

965
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: unless something insane happens with a J. D. Davis or

966
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: don which I don't expect just because or Giorme or

967
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I don't know. Just basically, those

968
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: are the guys Neo maybe, but I doubt that they

969
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: let any of those guys go. But Kazelman's probably guy

970
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: who's not coming back. I would assume, I don't know,

971
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: he's just had continued to have arm trouble while not

972
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: being super effective. Lukazi will probably stick around. He'll just

973
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: let him rehab under their watch and then get two

974
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: more years of cheap Joey Lukazi after triv it up

975
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: and Trevor Williams becomes interesting. I was wrong about his

976
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 2: option before. While he does still have a minor league option,

977
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: he has the right to refuse that and just become

978
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: a free agent. So you're gonna have to communicate with

979
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: Trevor Williams. Whether he's willing to basically be a taxi

980
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: pitcher for this year and get is guaranteed. Whatever the

981
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 2: money will be there, it probably won't be that Lucra

982
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: that maybe like a million ish, or whether he just

983
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: wants to hit the open market and probably get more money.

984
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 2: I'm assuming he'll get more money in the open market,

985
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: but then he won't have an option. I don't know

986
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: how many teams would be willing to sign Trevor Williams

987
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: to a full, guaranteed major league contract, you know.

988
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean the Cubs, Adam, and the Pirates Adam. It

989
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: seems like he's kind of willing to just play for

990
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: anybody at this point. So at Trevor Williams, if he's

991
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: gonna cost I mean anything above I'm seeing three point

992
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: eight million. That's too much for Trevor Williams. It's just

993
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: simply too much, especially if he doesn't have that option.

994
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: I think that I think it's worth it if he

995
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: just says I'm willing to accept the option, which.

996
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: I guess that's big, but I don't know. I feel

997
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: like for four million dollars, Like we saw some guys

998
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: this offseason who got signed for less, who could like

999
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: really make a splash over Trevor Williams four million dollars.

1000
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: I mean, but like who the benchmark for starting pictures

1001
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: about ten mill That's what Taiwan got, Drew Smiley's made eleven.

1002
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Like you, if you want a guy who's actually a

1003
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: starting picture without like a like a hint of stuff,

1004
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: you have to go above ten million dollars. You do,

1005
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: you simply do. And Trevor Williams wild. He's not sexy

1006
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: and he's not exciting or fun really at all. Like

1007
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: this is kind of what you need to fill out

1008
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 2: the roster, and this is what you do to raise

1009
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: your floor. Have Trevor Williams give you innings instead of

1010
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: Jerrod I.

1011
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Call yeah, No, I mean Rodin got three million last year,

1012
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: which I know was a weird case coming off with

1013
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: Tommy Johns and Pitch two year, but even Robi Ray

1014
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: got eight million. Like I'd rather take Trevor Williams four

1015
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: million and give it half of a contract of someone

1016
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: with the cawber like Robbie Ray.

1017
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: That looks good in retrospect. But if I would have

1018
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: asked you that question last March, he was said, Fuck

1019
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: Robby Ray, I don't want to get anwhere near my.

1020
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: Ten million for a year. I'll give him a chance.

1021
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: I gave Drew Smiley a chance for ten or eleven

1022
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: million for a year. I'd give Robbie Ray eight.

1023
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put a little microphone next time we have

1024
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: a conversation about this year's free agent class, and the

1025
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: next year when one of those guys pops off, I'm

1026
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: gonna get you on tape saying that guy sucks.

1027
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: I want him near the Newitz.

1028
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: Do it?

1029
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: Get me catch me in a lie, I dare you.

1030
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: But again, all in all here, assuming non tenders go

1031
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: to the Paraza and Martinez and Gazelman, and that we

1032
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: include those arbitration raises, the Mets payroll right now, with

1033
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 2: only twenty one players rostered is one hundred and sixty

1034
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: five million and one hundred and eighty five million against attacks.

1035
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: That is basically missing two of the three starting pitchers.

1036
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: At least one outfielder, an infielder or two, a lefty reliever,

1037
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: an additional reliever, and that is with a black hole

1038
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: a catcher that's gonna cost you about fifteen million dollars.

1039
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: It's going to be that's bad, a weird offseason, Mets.

1040
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: I really do think they're gonna have to kind of

1041
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: just blow through the luxury tax if they really want

1042
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: to do anything.

1043
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: If I don't see how they make the playoffs.

1044
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: If they don't, it's going to be pretty impossible. Like

1045
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: Stroman we saw today on Twitter clapping back at Jack

1046
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: Ramsey of Mets Twitter, who said, I Shchroman wants twenty

1047
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: five million, I tell him to walk, and Stroman basically

1048
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: told him to go fuck himself. I mean, can I

1049
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: re read it? It's it's very funny.

1050
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: This is this is one of the best response I've

1051
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: ever seen on Twitter. So shout out Marcus Stroman because

1052
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: we love him, because I don't want him to yell

1053
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: at me. Jack Ramsey tweeted, if Marcus Stroman wants at

1054
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: least twenty five million a year, coma, I'm letting him walk, period,

1055
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: which that's a lot of Uh, what's what's I don't

1056
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: even know what to worry is what's the fuck?

1057
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: What's you forgot punctuation?

1058
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: I forgot punctuation. That's a lot of punctuation for a tweet,

1059
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: especially a tweet that has less than sixty characters. Marcus

1060
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: Stroman responded in let's see how much time this took. Okay,

1061
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: so this was last night eleven twenty pm. Marcus Stroman

1062
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: responded eight seventeen am. That's fine. Good luck replacing my

1063
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: production for the next five years, though at least trend

1064
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: down because of their lack of work ethic, especially as

1065
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: they get older. I'm different, which that's that's a claim.

1066
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: Wherever I end up, they're getting a real one who

1067
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: will stay in the field and compete every five days

1068
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: shouting emoji shrug emoji. That is peak Twitther right there.

1069
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: The fact that a pretty uh nondescript member of Mets

1070
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: Twether who does he does find fine for himself. But

1071
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: at the end of that, I'm pretty sure he's like

1072
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: ninteen year old kid in college studying political science. To

1073
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: be responded to by the up depending free agent on

1074
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: the Mets, one of the most valuable pitchers in the

1075
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: National League this year, is you can't you don't get

1076
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: any better than this. This app shouldn't be free.

1077
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: It also leads you believe that Marcus Stroman is gonna

1078
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: want twenty five million dollars a year from what it

1079
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: sounds like minimum. So like, if the Mets want to

1080
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: bring him back, it's twenty five millionyear. It looks like

1081
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the starting point of that conversation.

1082
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: And that immediately puts you at the competitive bounced tax

1083
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: if you give one give out one twenty five million

1084
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: dollar contract to Marcus Stroman, because that number, while it

1085
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: changes a lot and we don't know what's gonna look

1086
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: like next year, usually hangs out around two hundred and

1087
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: ten million dollars. The Mets are one hundred eighty five

1088
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 2: million in The roster is nowhere near complete. They'll mess

1089
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: don't even have a triple A roster. They have like

1090
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: three players in the entire Syracuse organization right now. There

1091
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: needs to be a lot of money spent if we

1092
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: want to compete next year, which is such a massive

1093
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: change from where we were just a few months ago.

1094
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna include this, but I

1095
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: have a hot take here. Okay, ten million dollars for

1096
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz seems to be kind of what he's gonna get.

1097
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: Is it worth looking to trade Edwin because of that

1098
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: money could be more valuable elsewhere.

1099
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: No, definitely, not where you're gonna where You're gonnalose it

1100
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: for ten million right now?

1101
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: Well, you could take the raise approach of what we have,

1102
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: but then you have to but then you have to

1103
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: take the Rais approach.

1104
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: Taking the Rais approach is not like we can do

1105
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: that for three days. You have to commit your entire

1106
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: organization to seeking relievers for the next twelve months. Every

1107
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: single day of the year. You have to look at

1108
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: relievers and understand how to maximize guy's repertoires and how

1109
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: the once you get guys into your organization, improve them.

1110
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that Jeremy Hefer can do this and

1111
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: be good at it. But while we can take Miguel

1112
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: Cashro and turn him from deplorable to acceptable, we're not

1113
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: taking Andrew Kittridge and turning him from acceptable to one

1114
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: of the best relievers.

1115
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: In base Fair.

1116
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: And also a lot of these guys that the race

1117
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: have gotten and they have traded legitimate assets for. I

1118
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: think about trading Nick Solock for Peter Fairbanks, like the

1119
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: Mets don't have the organizational depth of luxury to be

1120
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: able to send middling prospects who may or may not

1121
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: be actual everyday major league players to pull very competitive relievers.

1122
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: I just don't think the Mets have the skill or

1123
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: the acumen to do that raise approach. Maybe one day

1124
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: they will and that'll be great, But if you trade

1125
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz, I think you'll sorely miss having a lot

1126
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: a semi reliable, one hundred mile an hour thrower in

1127
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: the back of your bowl. No.

1128
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: Definitely was a hot take on see where You're going

1129
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: with that one, because I feel like there probably are

1130
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: some Mets fans who have that feeling as well, and

1131
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: not that this is something that I actually want to do,

1132
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: but I bet you there are Mets fans out there

1133
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: that are like, trade Daz, let's get rid of them.

1134
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: No, definitely, And if you look at the Dodgers, the

1135
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: Giants and the race three of the best bullpens in baseball,

1136
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: like they've found great relievers from nowhere Alex Vessia, Everyone's

1137
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: gonna look at next year and be like, why this

1138
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: is the best picture of fuck go Begford. But like

1139
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: Blake Trinian and Corey Kniebel, two guys who basically nobody

1140
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: wanted for the last two years. The Dodgers like, we'll

1141
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: bring him back to your prime, give us.

1142
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: Some jo Kelly's been sick, a guy who's like had

1143
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: a turmoil career with his production, and.

1144
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: They paid him serious money. So he's making at least

1145
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: ten million a year, probably similar with Edwards making. So

1146
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: think about a guy in the open market like Joe

1147
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: Kelly garnering the exact same money as Edwin Diaz and

1148
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: then tell me if you don't think that's a good guy.

1149
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: To keep her in that he's gonna put it that way.

1150
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: It's definitely definitely worth the money at that point. And

1151
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: then I guess we'll talk about our final thing here,

1152
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: which was a super interesting poll that you got sent

1153
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: that people wanted to hear our opinion on.

1154
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: Get this cat's name because he's a he's a valuable

1155
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: let's there. I'm pretty sure it's no croning, but I'm

1156
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: gonna just get it to make sure. I had never

1157
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: checked my message requests on Instagram before, and that was

1158
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: probably good things. I had, like a shocking amount for

1159
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: how little notoriety I actually have in the world, but yeah,

1160
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: I got Noah no Croning, big fan of the pod,

1161
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: very active with both of us and the podcast on Twitter.

1162
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: He's a homeboy. But he reached out, told of us

1163
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: were doing a great job, and then he sent this

1164
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: very interesting Anthony Dicomo pole from sometime in the middle

1165
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: of last week when things were kind of slow, and

1166
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: he wanted their opinion, and this poll was, if given

1167
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: the opportunity to trade Francisco Alvarez to the Brewers for

1168
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: their president of baseball operations, David Stearns, would you do it?

1169
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: And this is actually kind of pertinent because there was

1170
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: a time and I think two thousand and two or

1171
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, where the Mets were looking for

1172
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: a manager after Bobby Valentine. They had the opportunity to

1173
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: trade for Loupanela, who was one of the most respected

1174
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: and notable managers in history of baseball at the time

1175
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: but even still to this day, and they could have

1176
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: traded this young, eighteen year old, nondescript shortstop to possibly

1177
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: get him. That shortstop was Jose Reyis. That trade would

1178
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: have looked awful in hindsight. The Rays eventually did make

1179
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: that trade for some guy who wound up being a

1180
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: No namer, a name who has lost my mind to

1181
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: including the notes. But this is something interesting for the

1182
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: Mets because while a manager back then probably had a

1183
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: very big influence on the game, something we've talked about

1184
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: a lot on this specific show, a president of baseball

1185
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: operations could change the entire way your team runs and

1186
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: basically alter the standing of your franchise seemingly forever. So

1187
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, Mark, who would you rather

1188
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 2: have on the Mets. Francisco Alvarez super prospect or David Stearns,

1189
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: potentially generational executive with ties to news.

1190
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: I feel like brain tells me David Stearns, heart tells

1191
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: me Francisco Alvarez. I'm attached to Francisco. Now he's done

1192
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: the interview with us, and we've seen this guy play.

1193
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: He's such a beast. He's so good and at a

1194
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: position that's so hard, so hard to get actual talent at,

1195
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: at the casher position. His value is immense even at

1196
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: the word like, let's just say that we don't get

1197
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: David Stearns in this trade, right, we keep franciscou Aavarez.

1198
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: At some point you could probably trade him for like

1199
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: a massive piece, a massive piece for Francisco Alvarez, if

1200
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: you want to make that trade. President of Baseball Ops

1201
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: David Starr would be sick. But I can't go against

1202
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: the player here. I'm going Francisco Alvarez on this one.

1203
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: What about you?

1204
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: I don't not want to go Francisco Aliarez just because

1205
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: we've seen from other teams in baseball the kind of

1206
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: position it puts your roster in you when you have

1207
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: a player who's basically free, who plays like a potential

1208
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: superstar like they the Blue Jays this offseason are going

1209
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: to be able to do incredible things with that roster

1210
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: because of how much production they get out of Vladimir

1211
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: Guerrero Junior and Bobachett the Padres. Before they re signed

1212
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: Tatist to this massive contract. You saw the last two

1213
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: years how much money they were able to allocate to

1214
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: other positions because of how much production you're getting. You

1215
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: see the Braves basically maintain the stable floor because they've

1216
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: stolen the production and the talent from Azzi Albe's Ronald

1217
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: Acunya for their entire adult primes. If Francisco Alvarez comes

1218
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: up and his projections kind of lend himself to this

1219
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: where basically the second year player, he could be worth

1220
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: somewhere between four and five wins, something like we're seeing

1221
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: gonna see Wanda Franco do over a full season next year.

1222
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: Of course, not everyone is a complete agreement over Francisco

1223
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: Auvres potential. We've seen his prospect rankings range from top

1224
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: four on fangrafts to like low thirties on Pipeline. I

1225
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: trust fangrafts because they're generally smarter and they're better over

1226
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: time than Alvarez. But having executive like Sterns will make

1227
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 2: possibly everybody on your team better, Like we've seen what

1228
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: he's done with that Brewers organization. They turn nonsense into

1229
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: aces like Corbyn. Burns was no type of prospect ever,

1230
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: Brandon Woodriff was a middling prospect. Josh Hayler was a

1231
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: good prospect, but he was a starting pitcher who didn't

1232
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: have any command. Aaron Ashby's come out of No Adrian House.

1233
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: Adrian Houser's RA was three one this year. Eric Lawer,

1234
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: Eric Lower mean that they they made that trade. Now

1235
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: they look like geniuses. After year after transgression, looked like

1236
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: a superstar and his rookie year with the Padres Like.

1237
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: They're of things that the Brewers do that we can't

1238
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: even understand. Jake Cousins, Kirk Cousins is fucking cousin. The

1239
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: Cousin's cousin has become one of the best relievers in baseball.

1240
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: Devin Williams the invented a pitch like and they even

1241
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: have these super prospects coming down in the bottom of

1242
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: their system, and no one's talking about yet because they're

1243
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: so young. And while the Brewers every ranking that comes out,

1244
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: they have like the twenty third or twenty six, twenty

1245
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: eighth best farm system. Three guys, Heedbert Perez, Joey Weimer.

1246
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: And Hi Boy Joey, My Boy, Joey.

1247
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: And Felix Valerio. We're all right now between Lowe and Hia,

1248
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: and I think Edbert might still be in the CPX.

1249
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: All three of those guys are going to be probably

1250
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: top fifty prospects within the next eighteen to twenty four months.

1251
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: This guy is doing things with the organization that are

1252
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: akin to the Rays and the Dodgers, even more so

1253
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 2: the Raised because they don't have any kind of payroll.

1254
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 2: But I want to bring everyone's attention to a poll

1255
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: that was on Twitter about three years ago, and it

1256
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: was who would you rather have for the next ten years?

1257
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: And the options were Giannis Odakatumbo, oh.

1258
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Wow, so bad butchering of it? Goodness?

1259
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: Who I actually I've actually never said his name, Yeah,

1260
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: Jianis Antetokumbo, Jannis Antetokumbo, Giannis Antetokumbo, and Brad Stevens And

1261
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: who would you rather have? And this was when the

1262
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: Celtics were bawling out Brad Stevens was a genius and

1263
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: Giannis had been ousted from the playoffs once again early on,

1264
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: and the poll was eighty six to fourteen percent Brad Stevens.

1265
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: And of course, in basketball, one player will have a

1266
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: much bigger impact on a team's success. There's only ten

1267
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: guys in the court, and you're five guys on your

1268
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 2: own team. And we saw Jana's literally take over and

1269
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: win a championship by himself this year. That won't happen

1270
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 2: in baseball. But it just kind of goes to show

1271
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: that sometimes that we will overrate guys in our front

1272
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: office or as a head coach, and really it's just

1273
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: by a happy stance of the other people around them, Like,

1274
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: if David Stearns comes to the Mets, he's not bringing

1275
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: the whole party with him. We're not getting everyone of

1276
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: the player development team, we're not getting all the analytics guys,

1277
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: we're not getting all the assistance. We're just not It's

1278
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: not possible. So there's no telling how he can get

1279
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: more guys in place to do the things he wants,

1280
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: like he already has done one time. This is just

1281
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: really a philosophical debate, which is honestly kind of fun

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Speaker 2: to think about.

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Speaker 1: It's like a it's a pretzel. I'm twisted all over

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Speaker 1: the place because there's so many different ways to go,

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Speaker 1: and I don't really think there is a wrong answer

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Speaker 1: by any means, which is why again I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think it's the right one either.

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Speaker 1: It's it's impossible to answer. And the great thing is

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Speaker 1: we'll never know because this isn't gonna happen, so we

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Speaker 1: don't ever actually have to have this serious conversation of like,

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Speaker 1: did the Mets do the right thing?

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Speaker 2: You're not actually totally correct about that.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: The Brewer is, like I said before, have the block

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Speaker 2: to the right to block David Stearns from interviewing or

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Speaker 2: seeking jobs elsewhere, especially if there's not an immediate increase

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Speaker 2: in title, similarly to how we'd have to possibly trade

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Speaker 2: for Like Bob Melvin, it's you used to trade for lupinela.

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Speaker 2: There is a situation where the Brewers extort you for

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Speaker 2: lack of a better term. If you want this to happen,

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Speaker 2: we need an asset.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see them that's doing it, even if,

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Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't see a world where

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Speaker 1: receive Cohen makes that move. I think he'll just pay

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Speaker 1: someone a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Bob, it's not an impossible thing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is impossible. I just could be misinterpreting the

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Speaker 2: CBA here. But it's a fascinating thought exercise.

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Speaker 1: Oh super super fascinating. And luckily, you know, we probably

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Speaker 1: aren't gonna actually have to talk about this in serious

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Speaker 1: thought outside of today. But who is That is a

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Speaker 1: tough question to answer, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Big time tough fee. And while we're wrapping up the

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Speaker 2: show here, I want to shout out another listener who

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Speaker 2: DM me the other day. My guy Levin hails from Germany.

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Speaker 2: He sent me it's just an incredibly nice message, like

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Speaker 2: possibly a thousand words about how much that we've changed

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Speaker 2: his view of baseball, how we've made him fall in

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Speaker 2: love with the Mets, and how much he loves listening

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Speaker 2: to us. Talked to him for a while on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I taught him about Dhgate because he said he really

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Speaker 2: wanted a black jersey, but the MLB doesn't ship to Germany,

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Speaker 2: so I gave him the link. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: fellow DH brother, my Jeremany having new jerseys over here somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he sticks with the team. But it's just it's great.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be like recognized like that. We talked

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Speaker 2: baseball for a little while. He's a very nice, very

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00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: nice young man. It's fun to It's nice to see

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Speaker 2: that what we're saying out here is actually being listened

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Speaker 2: to something.

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Speaker 1: It's good that the Mets the podcast get in this

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00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: global reach. We have the guy from Germany. We had

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Speaker 1: our English friend who, by the way, is a supporter

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00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: of the podcast. Saw on anchor Graham Hickson has to

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Speaker 1: be him, it has to be. That's the most English

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00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: name I've ever heard, Graham Hickson. So Graham, appreciate you

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00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: supporting the podcast. That really does help us out over here.

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00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's really cool to see that you guys

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00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: are you know, loving the podcast, supporting us all over

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00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: the world, not just in our little New York you

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00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: know bubble over here, but in Germany and even in California,

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: in Florida. It's cool.

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00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 2: We had that guy in Trenda on Tobago who's listening

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00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: to us.

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00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: Don't know if he's still around.

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00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: We fall in like a rock down the Israeli baseball

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Speaker 2: podcast rankings, so we got to work on that all tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Israeli listeners out there.

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00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: But overall, doing pretty good stuff here, and there is

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00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: so much more to talk about with the New York

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00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: Mets here. We have a lot planned for the next episode,

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00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: and that's without any news happening. I mean, we want

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00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: to do the Mets Squiz, where we go over every

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00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: single met in the twenty twenty one season. This episode

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00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: ran a little bit longer than we thought, so we're

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00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna do it this one. We're gonna push it to

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: the next episode, and that might get pushed until we

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00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: actually have nothing to talk about here, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: try that out. We're gonna start breaking down Free Agent's

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00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: gonna talk about targets and as the Managerial Search and

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Speaker 1: GM and President of Baseball Operation Search goes, we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to talk about that. So make sure you guys are

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Speaker 1: following us everywhere Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the YouTube channel app met stuff podcast, follow us on Twitter, Instagram,

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00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: TikTok ap mets s up. Give James the follow on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: At you you had no arrange me at your raftneck

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Speaker 1: mark with a C. And that's pretty much it for

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Speaker 1: episode number fifty six of the mets Up Podcast. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for listening, Thank you for watching, and we'll

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Speaker 1: catch you next time sometime next week episode number fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: Peace out, Peace up, guys, See you later. The News