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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,

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Speaker 1: Tommy di Dario, I think it's safe to say that

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Speaker 1: everyone loves Candace King. Yes they do. I stand by it.

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Speaker 1: She is my guest today, and Okay, maybe I'm a

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Speaker 1: touch bias because she's a dear friend of mine, but

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Speaker 1: I also know for sure that she has created an

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Speaker 1: iconic role that means so much to so many people.

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Speaker 1: That iconic role, of course, it's Caroline Forbes from The

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Speaker 1: Vampire Diaries. She sank her teeth into playing Caroline so

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Speaker 1: brilliantly for eight seasons, and she also appeared in the

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Speaker 1: spinoffs The Originals and Legacies, and out right now on

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Speaker 1: Prime Video, she has a new series called We Were Liars,

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Speaker 1: which is giving me all the drama that I need.

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Speaker 1: It is the perfect show for the summertime. I think

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Speaker 1: we cover like eight hundred topics in this interview because

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Speaker 1: we were both just so happy to be in the

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Speaker 1: same city finally catching up with you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: can get Candace to say something today that she has

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Speaker 1: never said before. Candace King, how am I going to

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Speaker 1: do an interview with you today? All I want to

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Speaker 1: do is just curl up and drink wine and I

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Speaker 1: don't know, talk about things we can't talk about on here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a perfect day for it. In New

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Speaker 2: York City. It's cold, rainy, so this is the perfect

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Speaker 2: day to just, you know, have all of our secrets

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Speaker 2: mingling on a microphone for no one to hear, for

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Speaker 2: no one.

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Speaker 1: No, that could be very dangerous because you and I

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Speaker 1: are open books. I know, we really are. I know

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you look radiant.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I had professionals put me together this morning.

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Speaker 2: That reasally helps. I know, I keep having because since

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Speaker 2: we've I've been doing so much press for we were liars.

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Speaker 2: I have like so many of my friends being like, wow,

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Speaker 2: like you look fantastic. I'm like, yes, guys, I have

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Speaker 2: a team of like four to five people working on

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Speaker 2: me at all times, like it's the Emerald City up

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Speaker 2: in here. So that that is usually when we look

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Speaker 2: our peak selves.

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Speaker 1: I guess you're serving.

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Speaker 2: Look after look, mama's trying, you know, mamas are really

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Speaker 1: Well, you look amazing. You have a new show. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk all about that a bit later. But first,

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Speaker 1: we have not connected on this yet and I didn't

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Speaker 1: ask you this at dinner the other night. But one

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Speaker 1: of the funniest videos that keeps popping up on my

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Speaker 1: Instagram is basically you being Superwoman. And that was that

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Speaker 1: epic con in December when the backdrop I guess like

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Speaker 1: without hesitation, you jump out of your seat. You kind

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Speaker 1: You have you always had these instincts like where did

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Speaker 2: Ah? That's motherhood, that is it is this weird gift

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Speaker 2: even you could be at a table full of moms

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Speaker 2: But I'd had What also wasn't heavily featured in that

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Speaker 2: when I saw that scaffolding falling, I was like, not today, sir,

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Speaker 2: You just got to be ready at all times.

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Speaker 1: Well, you were on it, very impressed, video still floating around.

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Speaker 1: So I feel very safe with you here today.

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Speaker 2: I feel very say, I know where all the exits are,

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Speaker 2: I'm prepared. I'm right.

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Speaker 1: She's ready, She's ready, She's so ready. That's amazing. Are

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Speaker 1: those conventions so fun? I mean, you get to reunite

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Speaker 2: We definitely don't reflect on the show, but we'd get

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Speaker 2: But I think with time and distance, it's become a

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Speaker 2: It is cool. It's funny that people that watched it

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Speaker 2: How old are all of us?

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Speaker 1: Yet you look the same, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I really commit to a character, Tommy, you know

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Speaker 2: I had heard about We Were Liars from Karna Mackenzie

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a juicy role to tap into, and

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Speaker 1: do you just have this like, nah, I got it personality.

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00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that. I will always get nervous,

435
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: and I tell myself, I think that's a good sign.

436
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: If you're not nervous anymore than probably e they're a

437
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: little too confident, or maybe you're not as excited to

438
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: be there any It's like nice to have some nerves.

439
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: It's like kind of like that. It reminds me of

440
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: you know, coming back from summer vacation before the first

441
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 2: day of school. You're always going to be a little

442
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: bit nervous. And I think it's wonderful when everyone can

443
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: get to work and admit that everyone's a little bit

444
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: nervous on that first day. But I just I wasn't

445
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 2: nervous necessarily. I would obviously hope that, you know, people

446
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: see a different character. I feel that best Sinclaire is

447
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: so different from Caroline Forbes. But I also understand as

448
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: a TV viewer, when you like see your character like

449
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: the character that you know so well, it takes a

450
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: minute that this is a completely different world. Everyone keeps asking, like,

451
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: what's so similar about you know what's similar about We

452
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: were liars in The Vampire Diaries, and I'm like, nothing.

453
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot less blood, no one's biting

454
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: each other's necks, they're stabbing each other in the back,

455
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: maybe metaphorically, but it is a completely different show, which

456
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: really also gets me incredibly excited to be, you know,

457
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: working with Julie Pleck again and finally working in like

458
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: a true form with Krana Mackenzie, because I think that

459
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: these women not only do like elevate YA in such

460
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: a beautiful way, because I think everyone underestimates I think

461
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: the YA genre, like as far as books and television.

462
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: What I love about it so much is it brings

463
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: like those are the biggest feelings you ever have. You know,

464
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: when you fall in love for the first time, it

465
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: is all encompassing. It is if you can't be with

466
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: that person, it feels like the end of the world.

467
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: And even something as simple. There's these beautiful little clips

468
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: in the first episode, and little snippets and mostly in

469
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: the first episode where you see like their knees touching,

470
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: or you can see her like looking at like the

471
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: way his eyelashes like rest while his eyes like go

472
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: or reading his book, and it's like those little details

473
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: of like falling in love for the first time, like

474
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, just gave me butterflies all over again,

475
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: remembering when I was a teenager. This is such a

476
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: long winded answer to say that it's a completely different

477
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: show and environment and and I wasn't nervous. I think

478
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: it's more just like I love this story so much.

479
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: I love the creator behind it so much. I've really

480
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: enjoyed getting to know Emily Lockhart, who was on set

481
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: a lot and also wrote the finale of this season.

482
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: And we pull so much from her book, Family of

483
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: Liars is you know, we really expand on the adult

484
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: characters and pull from like the prequel, which is, you know,

485
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: funny enough, the second book that she released from the series,

486
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 2: and so it really is a love letter to the

487
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: original pages. And I I'm just such super fans of

488
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: everyone who's been a part of bringing the show to

489
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: the screen that I'm like, that's what I'm excited about.

490
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: I just want people to see it at this point.

491
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: So you think the diehard lovers of the book.

492
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: Are going to love it, I really do, because the

493
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: creators and the showrunners and the author were just such

494
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: a part of it. Of course, there are going to

495
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: be certain logistical things that might change a bit here

496
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: and there, but there's so many little easter eggs throughout

497
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: the show that if you know, if you watching that,

498
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: like even if they just like wink to the original readers,

499
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: whether it's like the name of a boat or like

500
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: the exact fudge that was used, and like little things

501
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: from the book, which I love because I also is

502
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: someone who will read a book and then when it

503
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: comes to the screen, like I want that sense of

504
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: like the link to the audience saying that, like we

505
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: trust the source materials.

506
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Oh my god, I'm so excited. Are you

507
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: able to let go after you do the shoot and

508
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: you've done your press and now it's coming out, Like,

509
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: are you able to just let it go in the

510
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: world or are you kind of like reading reviews and

511
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: checking TikTok and seeing what people are saying.

512
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 2: No, I mean, the last time I was part of

513
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 2: a new show coming out in Totality was really I mean,

514
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: I had a BlackBerry. Let's do you know what I mean.

515
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: It's been a minute. So even though I've I've been

516
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: a part of other projects and worked. It's you know,

517
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: to be part of uh like, oh, it's series coming,

518
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: like a series launch. This is my first time in

519
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: a long time, and it's a completely different atmosphere now.

520
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: So I'm I don't know how I'll be. I know

521
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: i'll be excited. I'm just so ready for everyone to

522
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: see it. Filmed a year ago, so it's it's time.

523
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I predict it's going to be massive.

524
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: So from your mouth to god.

525
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: Zeerous, I'm telling you, I predict that because you're you're

526
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: You're just so good at anything you do and I

527
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: feel like you are and I'm gonna be your hype

528
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: man right now. And I'm not just saying that because

529
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: we're friends. You just bring, you bring your full self

530
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: to what you do, no matter what kind of project

531
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: it is, whether it is acting, whether it's home decor

532
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: and renovating, you know, all of it. You just go

533
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: for it.

534
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: Well thanks, I mean, I will say, you know, it's

535
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: so as an actor, the reality is you always feel

536
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: lucky to have a job, you know, and it's like

537
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: so excited and to be like okay, I'm going to

538
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: work and then you hope like okay, well I enjoy

539
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: you know who I'm working with, you know, will that

540
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: be fun? And then be like, well, I actually also

541
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: do I enjoy like the actual project that I'm working on,

542
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: and to kind of be able to check all three

543
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: of those boxes is like a really very cool experience

544
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: and doesn't happen all the time, and this checked all

545
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: those boxes and more so, you know, obviously, selfishly, I'm like,

546
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: not only is this I mean, did I binge the

547
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: entire show again? But I also would love to be back,

548
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: you know, creating with this incredible cast and production again

549
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: because we truly had a wonderful time. I mean, the

550
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: show is beautiful. The second I started watching it just

551
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: to like get ready for the press one because it's

552
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: been a year since we filmed it, I immediately was like, man,

553
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: I want to go there. And then I'm like, no,

554
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: I was there. I know where that is. That's me.

555
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: You're running on that beach, and I know this little

556
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: town that's where I was drinking wine, Like I know

557
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: that is and it just it is beautiful. We filmed

558
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: in Halifax, Nova, Scotia, but we also filmed in like

559
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: little beach towns called like Lunenburg, and we lived there

560
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 2: for five months and had this, Like, you know, it

561
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: did feel kind of like we were on our own

562
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: little island. You know, it's pretty far, you're isolated, and

563
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: we all kind of got to lean each other on

564
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: each other like a family, and we really did all

565
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: enjoy working together. So it was it was very good.

566
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: Wasn't too shabby.

567
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: You rose to the occasion. I'm confident of it. You

568
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: rise to every occasion you you haven't placed in front

569
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: of you, including maybe being a backup singer for Miley

570
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: Cyrus when she was Hannah Montana, which also, by the way,

571
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: I still get videos on my algorithm, so I think

572
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: I sent you one. Do they know, like are there

573
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: listening to our conversations outside of Instagram? Like what is

574
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: going on? But that video also surfaces quite a bit

575
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: so in the spirit of your singing, if you could

576
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: sing backup for anybody right now, who would you pay?

577
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: Oh god, no one. I'm a terrible backup singer. Backup

578
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: I like tricked everyone into like the you know there

579
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: are backup singers is a that is a whole serious

580
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: They like.

581
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: You did it?

582
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: I did it. I did it for a year. It

583
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: was one of the coolest years of my I I

584
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: was nineteen. I my So I started off in music

585
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: and I was signed to a label at the time,

586
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: and rather big label, and then unfortunately i'd gotten dropped

587
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: after I made my record and they keep the record

588
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: and and so I was like, I don't know what

589
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. And the producer that I'd worked with

590
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: on my record called me and said, hey, do you

591
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: need a job? And I was like, looking at like

592
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: a fake resume. I typed up to go and try

593
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: to be a waitress in La because you can't get

594
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: a job there unless you've already been a waitress, and

595
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: I hadn't done that yet. And I was a personal

596
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: assistant at the time, just trying to figure out like

597
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: what the next plan was. And I was like, yeah,

598
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: I need a job. He's like, great, it's this like

599
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: girl on Disney and like it's this like tour like

600
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: you in. I was like, I'm in. And I literally

601
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be like a mall tour. Oh

602
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: my gosh, Like I did not know what this was.

603
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: And then cut to would get there and she's so,

604
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: you know, cute powerhouse vocalist, even at fourteen, you know,

605
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: I think she I can't remember she turned fourteen or

606
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: fifteen on that tour and then lo and behold, it's

607
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: like cameras come in. They're they're filming a three D

608
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 2: experience of the entire tour. It's stadiums, it's like a

609
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: seventy two city tour, like the Jonas Brothers opened up,

610
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: like it was. It was insane, Like I went from

611
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: like thinking it was a mall tour to literally living

612
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: on a tour bus at nineteen, traveling no idea. Had

613
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: the time of my life. It was amazing. And then

614
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: and then and then that was it. It was one year

615
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: and then done. And then I was like, I think

616
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna focus on acting. And then a year I

617
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: booked The Vampire Diaries.

618
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: That's wild. So you were a pop star for a year.

619
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: I got yes. I got to also realize, like, you know,

620
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: I had always wanted to be a pop star. That

621
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: was what I really wanted to do. And then seeing her,

622
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: I was like that, that's that's a pop star. And

623
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: but I got to do it. I did it. Like

624
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: friends would come out to the shows, Oh that's cool,

625
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: and it was so fun.

626
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: You must have been the coolest person around to your friends.

627
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I don't know. I my like,

628
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: it was very cool. It was very fun. We all

629
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: kind of giggle it like a lot of the opportunities

630
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: we got back then. But yeah, it was it was

631
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: a it was a very cool gig. And and still

632
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: I mean that that definitely made me realize she I mean,

633
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: even then she was so talented. She's so incredibly talented now.

634
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: She's had that voice from day one. I remember just

635
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: hearing her singing.

636
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: Being like, wow, if you were in into Miley at

637
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: a party, would you pull up the video and say

638
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: I was your back?

639
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: No, I don't even know if I had, Like, no,

640
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: I don't. We have mutual friends like that. Uh. One

641
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: of my best girlfriends has like written with her a lot,

642
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: and and so we have a lot of mutual friends.

643
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: We just haven't been in the same room. But I

644
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm also kind of like, I think I

645
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: still have it in my head that I kind of

646
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: like float in the background that I I don't know.

647
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: I usually don't go and say hi to people. I'm

648
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: too know, because I've done it too many times where

649
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm always like hi and people are like who are you?

650
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, I'm just gonna. I don't know.

651
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: I think I also like when I moved to LA,

652
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: I like had a lot of friends in the business,

653
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: and so I would always like be kind of the

654
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: friend holding the bag or the friend of and even

655
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: like you know, early days, and I don't know, it's

656
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: just been a very normal trajectory, so I never anticipate

657
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: that someone's gonna And also she's had a million people

658
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: work for it. By no means, do I think she

659
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: just like would be rude? I just, by no means

660
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: expect her to remember that girl that had bright red

661
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: hair and sing backup for her for one year.

662
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: Well, well, I don't know. If I'm in a room

663
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: with both of you, I'm making the introduction. So I'm

664
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: just putting that out there. I'm just putting that out there.

665
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: And to put a button on your pop star career.

666
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: What pop star today or then when we were coming up?

667
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: Would you have wanted to emulate? Like do you think

668
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: would have been your vibe?

669
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, like, would you have I

670
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: just remember no, I because I remember this was also

671
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: like the like early oughts, So this was kind of

672
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: post dance, you know, the dance pop star. It was

673
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: more like but I knew I wasn't like I didn't

674
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: have a guitar, so I was like Michelle Branch but

675
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 2: probably like in which I'm so happy for her because

676
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: I'm so happy she's like performing, like I see her

677
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: little clips on Instagram, just getting back out there. But

678
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: actually Simpson like crushed it like she it was the

679
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: horrific recipe. Her music was so great, Like I just

680
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: I feel like she I'm so happy that, like, like

681
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: I keep feeling like I keep seeing her in the

682
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: zeitgeist right now again, which makes me very happy because

683
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: she's also like an amazing woman and couldn't be kinder.

684
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: I've we found ourselves, like our kids went to school

685
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: together during we were around each other in twenty twenty,

686
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: like a little like covid pod and it was just

687
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: she's like the best. So I'm like, but she it

688
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: was just I feel like that time, like she was

689
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: like peak of what I was like, Man, yeah that's cool.

690
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: Oh I could totally see you having that vibe. I

691
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: would like to think I would be like an Alicia Keys. Yeah,

692
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: So I'm just putting that out there just like yeah,

693
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: just like playing like soulful and yeah, that's why I

694
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: tell myself that I'm Alicia.

695
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: I know I always get mad that I can't play

696
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: an instrument or I feel like plain instrument speak a language.

697
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: Immediately You're just like this elevated cool person.

698
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: Well we can work on that. We'll work on that together,

699
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: you and me, babe.

700
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: I had all of twenty twenty. I was there, like,

701
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: did anyone see like Amanda Cipher, I know that I

702
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: always butcher her last name Cipher where she like jumped

703
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: on one of the late night chows and was like, yeah,

704
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: I just picked up this little ditty like during twenty

705
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: overachiever and then like started playing this like what is

706
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: it the harpstick or something, and like saying Joni Mitchell

707
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: and she was like, yo, just a hobby I picked up.

708
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean I started watching a New

709
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: Housewives franchise.

710
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: Like equally as important. Thank you very much.

711
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: I guess I made. I made a human. Made did

712
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 2: like grow a human? Drink?

713
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: You win? You grew a human. Speaking of your little

714
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: humans who I love, I'm so proud of you, and

715
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: I imagine you. Every parent I'm not a parent, but

716
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: hopes that their kids are also proud of them. Right,

717
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: So when you think back to like this moment in

718
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: your life and them being raised as kids and where

719
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: you are right now, Like what do you hope that

720
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: they would look at and say, oh my god, I'm

721
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: so proud of my mom and this is why, Like

722
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: what do you hope makes some proud of you?

723
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: I I'm like most working parents, and not to gender it,

724
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: but I think a lot of working mothers just so

725
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: we're kind of like built as a society, there is

726
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: that like built in guilt, and there's I think like

727
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: just feels like there's a different expectation. You know. Even

728
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: going off to work for five months, I felt like

729
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: I constantly had to like explain myself for most apologize

730
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 2: and and so, and it is hard. You know. It's like, yeah,

731
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: mommy couldn't be there for the last day of school,

732
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: and mommy does have to get up really early. And

733
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: I hope that they remember. I hope that they don't

734
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: remember any of that, but I hope that they remember

735
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: the Like I really try hard to what I call

736
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: mommy magic a situation like and try to like create

737
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: something like a little extra magical. So even on the

738
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: days where I would work and have to be up

739
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: really early, I would let them like come and stay

740
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: in my bed and just we would do just like

741
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: mommy daughter, you know, slumber parties. And my oldest would

742
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: read lines with me with the appropriate lines, not maybe

743
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: with the non bad words, not the provoked scene that

744
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: you saw and maybe the cheeser, yes, but you know,

745
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: little things like that that I just hope that they

746
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: felt seen and like that. I just like to try

747
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: to play with them, and I hope they remember that

748
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: and and yeah, I have no control over that, because

749
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: it's great. I think so often. I think that's the

750
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: thing you learn as a parent is how little like

751
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: you do all these things and it's like you just

752
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: don't know what kids are going to remember. Yeah, even

753
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: my own parents will be like don't you remember this?

754
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, idea. There was something where my

755
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: parents are taking me on this big trip and I

756
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 2: was like, nope, I was seven years old and this

757
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: is where it was. And my dad was like, you

758
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: were not and I was like, Dad, I love you,

759
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: but you've never taken one photo of us as a family,

760
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: Like you don't remember half the things, like I know.

761
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: And he's like, I will bet you like twenty bucks

762
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: right now, and he found the photo and he was right,

763
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: Like I my memory of that time was very different,

764
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 2: and so I don't know what they're going to remember.

765
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: That's like a crazy part of parenthood. You do all

766
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: these things and it's just what gets cherry picked, and

767
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: it's almost like inside out, like what goes in like

768
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: the and like the discard bin, and like what stays

769
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: is those core memories.

770
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Well, I think they're going to

771
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: be very proud of you when they grow up and

772
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: realize everything you've done for them and sacrificed for them.

773
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: The unit you made that's so beautiful and the memories

774
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: you make and you literally create this like little beautiful

775
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: life that I get some witness from Afar through little

776
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: glimpses on social and through talking to you. And it's

777
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: really cool that you do show working mothers particularly that

778
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: you can kind of you can do it all. It's

779
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: not always easy and there are better days than not, right,

780
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: but I think.

781
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: That's it, Like you can't do it all, Like, if

782
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: I'm being honest, you can't, Like I cannot make my

783
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: kids breakfast when my pickup is at four thirty in

784
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: the morning, But.

785
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: Why does that have to be doing it all.

786
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: Because it feels like it needs to be See.

787
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: That's where I that's where I want to change the story.

788
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: Is I think doing it all is doing what you're

789
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: doing now. It doesn't have to be this perfect. Yeah,

790
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: you know I have to get cook breakfast every day. No,

791
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: that's not realistic.

792
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: But then some nights when like then your babies are

793
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: like I need you, like, or I woke up and

794
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: someone wakes up in the middle night because they had

795
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: a dream and and you like stay up with them,

796
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: and then you still have to get up the next

797
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: day and you're like, man, these lines are a lot

798
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: harder to remember. Yeah, like I had them last night

799
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: and then now I've only had a few hours of sleep.

800
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: And like there's those days too where it's like I

801
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: was really there's always it does feel like a trade off,

802
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 2: Like there are absolutely days where I was like, man,

803
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: you know what, I was a great mom today? Was

804
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: I a super great friend? Was I like, was I

805
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: as fully present as my job the entire time that

806
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have been? Was I, you know,

807
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: the best partner I could be. I feel like it

808
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: is kind of this rotating thing where like there's certain

809
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: things that take priorities at different times, and there's some

810
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 2: times where I'm like, this is mommy, this is really

811
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 2: important that mommy works today. And I really I think

812
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: that that's kind of where I mean like having it

813
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: all that it kind of yeah, yeah, where your tension goes.

814
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think for me, I want to I

815
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: encourage people to change the narrative that doing it all

816
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: isn't doesn't mean succeeding at it all. It just means trying.

817
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: It's just trying your damn best because that's all we

818
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: can do. And I think you're doing amazing and I'm

819
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: proud of you, and I will always gush and like

820
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: I said, be hype man, because it's it's a lot,

821
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: it's a lot of things to juggle and you're doing it.

822
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm really happy to see and experience it

823
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: and be a little little spy in the corner. Okay,

824
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: we have a final question that is you know what

825
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: that is coming. But before we get to that, I

826
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: want to do a really quick, rapid fire pop culture

827
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: round with you because there's no one else that I

828
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: brought on my show that I know it'll appreciate this

829
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: because you are the queen of pop culture.

830
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: Okay, you know everything?

831
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Okay, you ready?

832
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: These are rolling my shoulders back.

833
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: These are three intense questions, and I need you to

834
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: really think hard about them. Okay. Number one, what was

835
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: the biggest pop culture scandal that rocked your world?

836
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: Scandal?

837
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Oh? Really?

838
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh. I was on a plane when that news

839
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: broke and I had wi FI and I gasped like

840
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: we were so basically we were stranded. I was supposed

841
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: to land in Nashville and they re routed to Memphis,

842
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: so we're just stuck in the air because of bad weather.

843
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: And I was like scrolling and it popped up like

844
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: what the first like it was. I was already scrolling

845
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: and it was like the first news break, and I

846
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: gasped so loud that the woman next to me said,

847
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 2: oh my god, is everything okay? And I just looked

848
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: at her and said, do you watch vander Pump Rules?

849
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: And she goes no, and I go okay, and then

850
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: she goes, where are you from? And I go not

851
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: right now, no, No, we are not talking right now

852
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: because you don't understand what's happening. And I cannot speak

853
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: with you on this matter. I cannot explain it. I

854
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 2: have to focus.

855
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, wow, I'm a little hot and sweaty

856
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: for you. I feel like I'm living it's crazy, okay,

857
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: all right, fair enough, all right. Number two, what was

858
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: the greatest moment in music history throughout the course of.

859
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: Your life or the course of my life?

860
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: Was there like a performance at an award show, a song,

861
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: a consert like what for You is one of the greatest.

862
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: I think the Era's tour. Seeing the Eras tour in

863
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: La I remember seeing I saw so many, like all

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Speaker 2: the pop stars when I was young, of like Christina

865
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Speaker 2: Aguilar justin Timberlake. I remember seeing the Spice Girls, e

866
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: those just the four of them. But I feel like

867
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Speaker 2: it's hard to I go to concerts all the time.

868
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: I got to see Brittany Howard with with help me

869
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: anyone in the room because she performs on her own

870
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: so often with the Alabama shakes thank you in Atlanta,

871
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 2: like they didn't even make it into this concert venue.

872
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: They were like in the backyard of this concert venue.

873
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: And I just remember being like, well, she's a super

874
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: such star. God, I love her. I still like tear

875
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: up every time I see her perform anywhere. In Nashville,

876
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: and then recently I got to say, like the we

877
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: Could performance during the Oscars balled like a baby so good,

878
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: I know, and then Beyonce a bowl. I can't even

879
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: I know. I literally was like to my children, I'm like,

880
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: you guys have to watch this. This is important. It's

881
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: important O your history, I know. And I'm gonna go

882
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: see Cowboy Carter in a couple of weeks, so I

883
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: feel like that's gonna be my new answer. Music is

884
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: my love language. I love it so much. I just

885
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: love seeing I love seeing anything live. So I have

886
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: a really hard time coming up with a short answer

887
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: for that.

888
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: That's a good roundup. I appreciate it. I respect that

889
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: favorite celebrity couple then or now.

890
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we have to give it to

891
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: the theatrics of benefit.

892
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to give me Britney and

893
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Justin back in the day. I'm okay, because they were babies, Okay, respect.

894
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: And I and like, I don't know, that's been an

895
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: interesting I don't know. I'm not going to expand on

896
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: that too much. Okay, you just said celebrity couple. That's

897
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: who popped into my.

898
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: All right, Benifer were like that and the last one,

899
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: I had to tie you into pop culture because it's

900
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: probably one of the most talked about relationships in television

901
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: is between Caroline and Klaus, which is so funny. Why

902
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: do you think people are obsessed with it? And what

903
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: do you think of that relationship?

904
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I feel like I've never watched

905
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: the show in totality, and I told my daughter when

906
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: she's ten that we can watch it, and so that'll

907
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: be next year, so then maybe I'll understand. But what's

908
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: so funny is that Caroline and Klaus were never supposed

909
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: to be a thing. It was that would have been

910
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: the second season, I think, where he came in and

911
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: there's some they basically just like had you know, Caroline

912
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: got hurt or something and then he had to like

913
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: save her. She was a damsel in distress, which happened

914
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: with Caroline a lot in those early years, and it

915
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: was truly a non non thing. It wasn't the scene

916
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: wasn't built up as some big introduction to these characters.

917
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: It was literally just a scene that was supposed to

918
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: service like Klaus having like a slight bit of humanity

919
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: within him so you could get to know him better

920
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: as character. That is it point period, end of sentence. Suddenly,

921
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: that night after it aired, hashtag claraline like phill like

922
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: rose to the top of Twitter. It was like this

923
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: whole thing and the writers were laughing because no one

924
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 2: caught that as like some sort of like romantic moment.

925
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: So then so then they started every once in a

926
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: while would like write a fun scene between them just

927
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: to tease the audience. That was it. It was just

928
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: supposed to be like some silly like fun thing for

929
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: the audience every once in a while. And still to

930
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: this day it is like the biggest talked like question

931
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: that I get of, Like people love those two together

932
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's because like he wanted

933
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: her so deeply and she would be like show like

934
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: I don't want but everyone is convinced that, like they

935
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: were the end game from the beginning, and even Joseph

936
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: and I like we're kind of giggling. We're like, well,

937
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't like we had fun do uring our scenes,

938
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: but like it was just it was really funny that

939
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: this was always this, but when are they going to

940
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: end up together? And I do like that, you know,

941
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't this like big, long like relationship that people

942
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: always kind of got to want what they couldn't have,

943
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: which is also what I think. I think Caroline maybe

944
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: didn't know what she wanted and he wanted what he

945
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: couldn't have, and so I like that the audience got

946
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: to sense that, like feel that as well. In all

947
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: those seasons. It's iconic, but it is so funny. So

948
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get it when I rewatched the show one day. Yeah, yeah,

949
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: and have my ten year old explain it to me.

950
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: There we go. Well, it's an iconic relationship and for

951
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: that reason, you were in the pop culture round up.

952
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: You survived. Congratulations you did it.

953
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: Rapid fire is probably you intended, but.

954
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: That was brilliant And Candace, as we wrap up the show,

955
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: you know that question is coming, and it's based off

956
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: the title of my show, which is, what is one

957
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: thing you've never said before? And I know that's probably

958
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: so hard for you, especially to me, because we've talked

959
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: about everything, but as you know, it was born from

960
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: having two minutes with people on a carpet or a

961
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: junket and you just don't have time for real connection

962
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: and conversation besides kind of the bite size bites about

963
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: the projects. So is there anything today that you can

964
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: think of, whatever that means to you that you've never

965
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: said before that you want to share.

966
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we kind of touched on it. I

967
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: mean I think that I have probably put a bit

968
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: of a shinier bow on. Like I love what I

969
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: do and I'm really proud of what I do. I

970
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: love my career, I love to work. I really love

971
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: being a mom. I love being a mommy. It's also

972
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: what I've always wanted to do. And I think I

973
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: keep waiting for it to feel like like I won't

974
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: feel that like mom guilt and that I won't feel

975
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: this like that it's really hard to be away from

976
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: my kids, and I like I've just had to accept

977
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: that it's just going to be. It's just hard, and

978
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: and that for better or for worse, it is what

979
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: it is, as opposed to it's okay, like it it

980
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: just it is really hard. And I think that so

981
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: I've thought about the way that I talk about being

982
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: a working parent and while like the support of community

983
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: is so important, like even working on we were liars.

984
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean, thank God for this incredible cast and also

985
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: like the women who were who played you know, my sisters,

986
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: the three of us were all there filming, and we

987
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: all were mothers to young children, and so we got

988
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: to lean on each other for that support. And it

989
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: was just I think sometimes in a public facing way,

990
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: I'll put like I'll shine it up and put a

991
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: bow on it and be like, yeah, but it's all

992
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: part of it, and you know, whereas like it's so,

993
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't always feel like that, And so I wanted

994
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: to kind of give that justice too, that even on

995
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: the days where you have like a great sense of

996
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: community and you know that like you're going to look

997
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: back and it's going to be okay, and your kids

998
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: are not going to remember every single little thing and

999
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: you do everything that you can, there will still always

1000
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: there's like that feeling I'm learning to make even if

1001
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm making friends with the feeling of like being away

1002
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: from my kids, knowing that like that feeling's going to

1003
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: have to have a seat at the table and like

1004
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: all right, well they're here and it's part of it.

1005
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: So if anyone is like a working parent and feels

1006
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: that way and feels like well everyone else seems to

1007
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: be finding it to be just fine, that I guess

1008
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: I just want them to feel seen and be like

1009
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: it's okay if it's not fine.

1010
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Yeah, that's such a great answer,

1011
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of parents probably go through

1012
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: that without talking about it. So I appreciate you, you know.

1013
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 2: Of the bummer sometimes it's like, but it's also it's

1014
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: the real and I am you know. I used to

1015
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: get a lot of jokes being like I'm just like

1016
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: the glitter like a glitter bomb, you know. I've like

1017
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: like to be sunshine and the positive, put a positive

1018
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: twist on everything. And I like that part about myself.

1019
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 2: I really really do. I I've shut that down before

1020
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: and that doesn't feel right either. I like trying to

1021
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: find the positive, you know. The lemonade, I really really do.

1022
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: This is just a I think a part of you know,

1023
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: being a parent that I keep trying to like put

1024
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: some lemonade twist on it. And I'm like, you know what,

1025
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: maybe this isn't the lemon Maybe this is just the lemon.

1026
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's okay to honor that too. Oh my god,

1027
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: I love that and I love.

1028
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 2: You so I'm so happy for you, Like this is

1029
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: just my favorite day. I really am. I'm just so

1030
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: proud of you, and I hope like your biggest cheerleader,

1031
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: and I just I'm really happy for you.

1032
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: Well I feel the same way, and I'm so proud

1033
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: of you. This show We Were Liars is going to

1034
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: be a massive, massive hit. I know it. I am

1035
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: declaring it right now. Everybody can watch it on.

1036
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: It's on Amazon Prime, so you can watch it stream it.

1037
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: It is. All episodes are coming out and we'll be

1038
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: released on June eighteenth. So it is. It is a

1039
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: very bingeable show. And if anyone asks what the show

1040
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: is about once you've watched it, remember lie, do not google, like,

1041
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: do not research anything. Just go into the show and

1042
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: enjoy the escapism. Fall into this world like you would

1043
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: fall into reading, like a good juicy book.

1044
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, just enjoy and everybuddy go watch it. I

1045
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: could talk to you for four more hours, but we're

1046
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: going to go to lunch and continue this, so let's go.

1047
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Speaker 1: Thank you for hanging out. Thank you. I've Never Said

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Speaker 1: This Before is host it by me Tommy. This podcast

1049
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,960
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1050
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,359
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1051
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