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Speaker 1: And then and Tye, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: To the solid verbal boys and girls, my name is

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Speaker 2: ty Hildebrandt. Joining me over there at Chicago Land. Dan Rubistetzer,

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Speaker 2: Hey doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. The studio's coming together nicely because it'll

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Speaker 2: But you will see Clay Helton in twenty twenty one Dan,

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Speaker 2: Then we've got Halloween. I saw the SEC mandated that

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Speaker 2: on October thirty, first week six the game? Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I've been working up to that. LSU at Auburn on Halloween. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: I like that Week seven, Florida Georgia. There's still a

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's the they still have the bie weeks before

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Speaker 1: or we want, you know, a seat at the table,

436
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Speaker 1: and then you have parents coming out and speaking on

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Speaker 1: behalf of young adults. The large These are legal adults

438
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Speaker 1: that are able to make decisions and that are exercising

439
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Speaker 1: their leverage and are doing a really impressive job for

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Speaker 1: the most part of mapping out where they think players

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Speaker 1: should have a voice. And then you have the helicoptering

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Speaker 1: and of parents. I feel like it almost muddies the message.

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Speaker 1: On the other end, I don't know if they need

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Speaker 1: their you know, mommy and daddy swooping in, Like it's

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Speaker 1: very strange. College football has been professionalized to whatever degree

446
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Speaker 1: based on the money and the exposure, and so we

447
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Speaker 1: enjoy treating college athletes like these you know, national figures,

448
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Speaker 1: and that we have parents coming in on their behalf.

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Speaker 1: I saw. I think it was the McCaffrey parents, who

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Speaker 1: I guess they have a kid at Nebraska and a

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Speaker 1: kid at Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It felt a little bit off to me for like

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Speaker 1: a twenty twenty one year old's parents to you know,

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Speaker 1: be so public with their desire for you either looking

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Speaker 1: after their kids. I totally get that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: it was unexpected to me.

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Speaker 2: To further the point, there is a lot of uncertainty,

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Speaker 2: a lot of disagreement over this. Tanner Morgan from Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: he says the Big Ten made the right call. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he says they made the right call. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Have you watched Tanner Morgan speak, by the way, have

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Speaker 1: you watched a press conference or an interview with him?

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Speaker 2: I don't think I have.

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Speaker 1: He's like twenty one going on thirty six. Oh and

466
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Speaker 1: maybe it's because he shaved his head or something. But

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Speaker 1: really impressive dude, really like just thoughtful guy. I was

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Speaker 1: impressed by Tanner Morgan.

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Speaker 2: So Dan and keeping with the motif of the Big Ten.

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Speaker 2: Just in the short time that we have been connected

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Speaker 2: here and on the air, Yeah, Michigan State has announced

472
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Speaker 2: that it is going online only. From our friend Nicole

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Speaker 2: auerback quote, effective immediately. We are asking undergrad students who

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Speaker 2: plan to live in our residence halls this fall to

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Speaker 2: stay home and continue their education. With Michigan State remotely.

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Speaker 2: They're saying their decision is due to the current status

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Speaker 2: of the virus center country, particularly what we are seeing

478
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Speaker 2: at other institutions as they repopulate their campus communities. It

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Speaker 2: is unlikely we can prevent widespread transmission of COVID nineteen

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Speaker 2: between students. So from an academic institution standpoint, they are

481
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Speaker 2: obviously trying to get out as much ahead of this

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Speaker 2: as they can. They're looking, they're seeing what's going down

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Speaker 2: at North Carolina moving their classes online. We can talk

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Speaker 2: about that momentarily. There was a spike at Oklahoma after

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Speaker 2: some players came back from break. We've seen a spike

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Speaker 2: on the campus of the University of Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame, by the way, just this was just breaking

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Speaker 1: news too. This is actually what I thought you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I learned about the Michigan State thing from you. Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame's going online only for the next two weeks, according

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Speaker 1: to I assume fr Is father John Jenkins, Yes, on

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame's campus. But the football team because and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to quote one more time. This is from a

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame release. Varsity athletic teams that are subject to

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Speaker 1: routine surveillance testing, may continue to gather for sanctioned activities

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Speaker 1: according to established protocols and will be closely monitored. So

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Speaker 1: Notre Dames football team is still going to practice. Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame students for the next couple of weeks as they

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Speaker 1: try to get things under control, will be not in

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Speaker 1: person for classes.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, interesting. This whole bubble mentality is a weird

502
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Speaker 2: thing that seems to be gaining some traction as the

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Speaker 2: student body may learn virtually, maybe not necessarily off campus,

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Speaker 2: but not in classrooms. Folks like mac Brown are saying

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Speaker 2: he thinks it will actually help isolate players. They announced

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Speaker 2: on Monday that North Carolina all undergrad courses will be

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Speaker 2: moving online. A bit of a cluster down there of

508
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Speaker 2: coronavirus infections, and now that they've got cases popping up

509
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Speaker 2: and they're moving online only, mac Brown is hoping that

510
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Speaker 2: that isolation can be a little bit like the NBA bubble.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if we see that elsewhere you

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Speaker 2: just mentioned Notre Dame. Will schools be able to justify

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Speaker 2: treating college football as like a quasi bubble within their

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Speaker 2: own institutions. I don't know. Laft Ass cross.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw a Michigan tackle. Jalen Mayfield is

516
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Speaker 1: announced he's entering the draft.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on right now.

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Speaker 1: It's not scheduled to play this year, but yeah, he is,

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Speaker 1: just as we're recording. Correct.

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Speaker 2: The only other quick tidbits that I'll mention is Kennedy

522
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Speaker 2: Brooks opted out. He is the star running back for Oklahoma.

523
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Speaker 2: Was the star running back for Oklahoma. His red shirt

524
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Speaker 2: junior was supposed to be their top running back, and

525
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Speaker 2: he had what two to one thousand yard campaigns in

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Speaker 2: each of the last two seasons, over two thousand yards

527
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Speaker 2: and eighteen touchdowns in total. Big deal, Big deal. I

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Speaker 2: think we'll see more opt outs as we get closer

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Speaker 2: to the season, the purported season, but Kennedy Brooks is

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Speaker 2: a pretty big one. This, of course, comes on the

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Speaker 2: heels of nine Sooners testing positive after returning from break.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned that briefly a moment ago. Disappointing is how

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley phrased it. He said, We've done such a

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Speaker 2: tremendous job this entire time, and he's right, He's right.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma was one of those schools that was being written

536
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Speaker 2: about as having got a really good job in this regard,

537
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Speaker 2: perhaps a school that others could model as a bit

538
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Speaker 2: of a protocol moving forward for how to deal with

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Speaker 2: the coronavirus, not just within college football, but just around

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Speaker 2: sports in general. And now to see this, I understand

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Speaker 2: why it's a bit of disappointing news for Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 2: They had really done a good job and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What the suspension status is of at least one of

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Speaker 1: the backups, one of the running backs in that room,

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Speaker 1: Ramandre Stevenson, who suspended before the playoff, And we had

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Speaker 1: talked about there not being a ton of clarity with

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Speaker 1: a shortened season how long they're actually going to be

548
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Speaker 1: suspended for that was, you know, I think it was

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Speaker 1: three players before the playoff. So yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 1: uncertainty and Norman and I think we're hoping for the

551
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Speaker 1: best for everybody's health and clarity there.

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Speaker 2: All right, We will keep you abreast of any breaking

553
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Speaker 2: news that should transpire between now and the end of

554
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Speaker 2: the show. But we've got a big interview Dan. I'm

555
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Speaker 2: excited with else one who are we talking to today?

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Speaker 1: Ross Ellinger, who who has done an incredible job. There

557
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: have been a few people in college football media who

558
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: have been on top of things in terms of reporting

559
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Speaker 1: and breaking news. You know, we talked to our friend

560
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Speaker 1: Nicole Auerback. She's done a fantastic job for the athletic.

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Speaker 1: Another one of those is Ross Ellinger of SI and

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Speaker 1: he has been pretty dogged and tireless himself in terms

563
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Speaker 1: of figuring out what the hell is going on where

564
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Speaker 1: So I'm glad we were able to find time with

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Speaker 1: him to get his take on everything.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited all right joining us now to talk through

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Speaker 2: all things I guess current situation. Please to welcome back

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Speaker 2: to the show. It's been a while, mister Ross Dellinger

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Speaker 2: from Sports Illustrated at SI dot com. How you doing, Ross?

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Speaker 2: You get any sleep?

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Speaker 3: A little bit? I caught up on sleep over the weekend, thankfully.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you. I've never fallen asleep as early as

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Speaker 3: I did Sunday night. I felt at nine pm, and

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Speaker 3: I remember the last time that happened. Now, well, I've

575
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Speaker 3: at three am, rare and and ready to go and

576
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: had to kind of fall back to sleep. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's I caught up on some of his weekend. But

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Speaker 3: it it's been crazy to last two weeks especially, but

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Speaker 3: It's really been a crazy last four months.

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Speaker 2: You posted an article on Friday titled quote, It's a

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Speaker 2: f and mess How and why football conferences are arriving

582
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Speaker 2: at opposite medical conclusions? Ross. That's a headline that's going

583
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Speaker 2: to get some clicks. Obviously a lot of frustration out there.

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Speaker 2: We know that the virus is ultimately what is causing

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Speaker 2: this mess, but it seems like the communications effort from

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Speaker 2: the NCAA to the conferences, down to individual programs that's

587
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Speaker 2: what's making things more confusing and difficult. Is that a

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Speaker 2: fair assessment of where we're at in this moment in time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. We have the pandemic, as exposed,

590
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Speaker 3: was a broken system, and that is in c a

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Speaker 3: A Athletics it is. It is a broken midel It

592
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: has been, I think for a while for an assortment

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Speaker 3: of reasons in the pandemic has shown the light one

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Speaker 3: on that and it goes from as you mentioned, uh,

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Speaker 3: communication issues. Uh, it goes to animosity I think between

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Speaker 3: between conferences between schools, uh in fighting as we're seeing

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Speaker 3: in the Big Ten with their own conference. Uh. I

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Speaker 3: don't know overarching body that is taking any leadership role

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Speaker 3: overall of college I mean it's endless. The reasons why

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Speaker 3: it is a blanking mess right now. In the pandemic

601
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Speaker 3: has provided the flashlight to shine on all of these

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Speaker 3: issues and it goes, uh, it goes beyond just you know,

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Speaker 3: the issues among the NCAA. Hey, but it goes to

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Speaker 3: some issues outside of I guess in a way now

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Speaker 3: outside of the NCAA's control. When we start talking about

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Speaker 3: things like the player empowerment stuff and the Black Lives

607
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Speaker 3: Matter movement and of course the members on likeness, like

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Speaker 3: all of this has come to a head. It's just

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Speaker 3: like crazy cataclysmic summer of converging, as one ad put it,

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Speaker 3: converging traffic onto into one another, and it's it's streating

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Speaker 3: a pile up, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: You've written a good amount about the behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: pulleys and levers of college football. What are these few

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Speaker 1: months revealed or reinforced to you about things you already

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Speaker 1: knew or thought you knew about those power structures? You know,

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Speaker 1: did anything really? I mean what, I guess flip things

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Speaker 1: for you in the back of your b.

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Speaker 3: I think the uh, the well, let's start the communication.

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Speaker 3: I mean we were told back Centable in May and

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Speaker 3: in the June that the power conferences were going to

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Speaker 3: work together in somewhat lockstep. And you felt after you

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Speaker 3: felt talking with conence commissioners who spoke to another each week.

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Speaker 3: They had Powerful Conferences had a call each week, and

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Speaker 3: I think they had a call every other week or so.

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Speaker 3: With the ten conferences, it seemed like they were on

626
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Speaker 3: the same page and they were going to do a

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Speaker 3: lot of the same things. And then it gets to

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Speaker 3: the end and you've got one conference that they can

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Speaker 3: going conference only and not necessarily tell anybody that they

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Speaker 3: were going to go conference only, and then the others

631
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Speaker 3: are doing an assortment of the mixture of conference only

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Speaker 3: and non conference and then all of a sudden, you have,

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Speaker 3: you know, four of the of the ten just bail

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Speaker 3: on a season, and the others motoring on in each

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Speaker 3: of them getting different medical advice. And I think what

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00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: it all comes down to is college sports is a

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Speaker 3: microcosm of society in American. Society in America is a

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Speaker 3: very big nation spread across thousands of miles of land,

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Speaker 3: with different regions where we have different cultural ideals and

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Speaker 3: political views, and that shapes all these conferies, which are

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00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: obviously regionalized make decisions, you know, And I think that's

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00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: what it comes down to, is these are regionalization even

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Speaker 3: politicalization issues, and that's the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I think is always the

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Speaker 1: most interesting thing in talking about an issue like this

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Speaker 1: is trying and I think this is appropriate because you

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00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: love talking about food, You love eating food, and so

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00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: do we reducing whatever the topic is to the purest

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00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: and densest nugget. And so we have you know, all

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Speaker 1: of you know, we have four conferences saying we can't

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Speaker 1: play because of this, and then we have other conferences

652
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Speaker 1: saying we believe we can play because of this. What

653
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: is the this, what is the most reduced thing that

654
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: is the root of everything that some conferences are saying,

655
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: we're cool with it, and other conferences are saying that's

656
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: too far.

657
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: I would probably say the fear of the unknown. The

658
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: virus is only eight months old, and even doctors will

659
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: tell you, hey, we don't know about the UH on

660
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: these medical uncertainties and unknown specifically, as has been raised recently,

661
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: the kind of a hot topic myocardiitis and the heart

662
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: shoes that the viruses the virus causes, even in recovered patients,

663
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: and so the unknown of that seems to be the

664
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: one of the big issues. I know, it was a

665
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: big issue in the Big ten. So I think if

666
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: you're going to boil it down to one thing across

667
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 3: the conferences, I would I would say that that is it. Obviously,

668
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: there are a lot of other reasons. And I think

669
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: obviously when you talk about like the lower level divisions

670
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: in the back, even in the West, talking about financial

671
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: issues that pop up in liability concerns too, that that's

672
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: also another one, you know, and even in the Big

673
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 3: Impact twelve there are those liability concerns again that all

674
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: go back to that one thing, the unknown, the potential

675
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 3: for the unknown impacts of a virus that's eight months old.

676
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: Would you say that certain administrators' presidents are defiant, emphatic,

677
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, are almost laughing in the face of others

678
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: who fear the unknown. Or does everybody seem to have

679
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: a healthy degree of concern but some are okay with it?

680
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: Or is that there that that confidence that like, no,

681
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: everything's gonna be find this is no problem, We're going

682
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: to do it. It's going to be great. Is there

683
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: that defined attitude anywhere?

684
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think so. The people I

685
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: talk to aren't quite as defiant. I think I think

686
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: there is a lot of respect for the virus and

687
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: concern and in lay. I think there's respect for the

688
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 3: decisions of the Big tens, specifically in the FACT twelve.

689
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: But there certainly are administrators and other conferences, and I

690
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: think with this in that in that story, doctors in

691
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: other regions of the nation that don't quite understand why

692
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: they made the move so soon and why they didn't

693
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: in the Big ten's case, like postpone the season, push

694
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: it back, give it a little more time. So there

695
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: are certainly are views from around other conferences in that

696
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: about the decision and why not postpone it or delay

697
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: it a little bit into the fall, maybe even in October.

698
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: There there are certainly those things coming from administrators in doctors,

699
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: But there I think there's very there's a very few

700
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: of like just defiant attitude of hey, we're going to

701
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: go and have this wonderful season and you're going to

702
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: look like a lot of idiots, which might happen, but

703
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: but I think administrators are so cautious right now and

704
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: we should mention in the sec has I think come

705
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 3: out and said this pretty publicly. We wrote about it

706
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: a little bit, is the SEC Medical Panel has not

707
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: approved the lead to have a season. It's approved the

708
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: lead to have fall camp right now, but and I

709
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: was on the phone with their one of their lead

710
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: medical advisors and she's we have not approven, like, you know,

711
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: a season to start, and they're hoping that in the

712
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: next few weeks that you know, like things like this

713
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: the lava test that stuff came out about over the

714
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: weekend kind of helps, you know, and they want to

715
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: see how students, how campuses react to students coming back,

716
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: which early returns not good, right, but they want to

717
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: see that and that's what usually I think some administrators

718
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: in other parts of the nation, if they're like, well, wait,

719
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: why the big team didn't give didn't give it a chance,

720
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: I think a lot of them feel so.

721
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: I guess some of the frustration is around those thresholds

722
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: or that target. Do programs do conferences actually have a

723
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: target that they're shooting for with respect to cases, positivity rates,

724
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: some other metric that's out there, because it does feel

725
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: like in many ways these programs are doing their best

726
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: to try and meet a moving target that they don't

727
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: even really know about the.

728
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: Only real target as far as numerical stuff when it

729
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: comes to cases and things, I think it's an NCAA

730
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: guideline from a couple of weeks ago, and it's basically

731
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: I think my view attached the CDC guidelines as well,

732
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: and it's like a I think it's a ten percent

733
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: or less positivity ray. And there's a certain amount of

734
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: new cases per one hundred thousand, like in a community.

735
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 3: I think maybe it's like one hundred or fifty. I

736
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: don't remember the exact number. And in the SEC, the

737
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: advocate of my old employer, actually in batteries, did a

738
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: great story on this recently. In the SEC, the SEC

739
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: community meet that mandate or guideline, whatever you want to

740
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: call it right now. Now. They don't pick off for

741
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: another six weeks, but they yeah, they're in an interesting

742
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: position because I get to that threshold might take quite

743
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: a bit of work for a lot of SEC places,

744
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: so that could be an issue. But there are a

745
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: lot of other I think there are other markers that

746
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: the SEC and other companies are looking for other than

747
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: just case numbers, and I think the big one is

748
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: going to be campus outbreaks because of their term of students,

749
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: and it's like how much do you have? And we're

750
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: seeing some things that working on a story right now

751
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: that'll post Wednesday morning, you know you. And City has

752
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: decided to say, hey, we're sending all kids back home

753
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 3: and we're going to go virtual. Oh but our football

754
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: players can remain on campus and they can prepare for

755
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: twenty twenty season. Well, I think a lot of schools

756
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: would like to have that, because that's basically a bubble

757
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: you're giving your team, and I think you might see

758
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: more of that you're down the stretch.

759
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: Do you feel like to that point, Ross has the conversation,

760
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: or at least the approach he're shifted a bit from

761
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: the store part of maybe planning out a season to

762
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: where we are now, because I remember back maybe two

763
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: and a half three months ago, the conversation was such

764
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: that if you don't have classes on campus, there's no

765
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: way you can even entertain the notion of a football season.

766
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 2: Now it feels like we've almost evolved to a point

767
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: of like, hey, this might be a good thing. Maybe

768
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: this can help us get there.

769
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole thing is so fluid that gives you

770
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: a good window into the whole COVID nineteen environments when

771
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: it comes to college sports that a few months removed

772
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: from conference commissioners saying exactly that like, whoa, we cannot

773
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: you know, we cannot have college as college athletics if

774
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: we don't have in person college classes. And clearly that

775
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: is yes to change in North Carolina. Doing that is

776
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: a good example of there maybe open to cana worm

777
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: here for this issue. And now would imagine we're going

778
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: to see more and more schools potentially starting to go

779
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: this around. It's almost like they've gone, I've taken this

780
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: path of a bubble. Accidentally. It's say, oh, well, we

781
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: don't have a choice now, you know, instead of doing

782
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: it in the outset, which you would get optically obviously

783
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: it doesn't look good, but they're kind of gone the

784
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: back door with it here. And it is funny how

785
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: the tune has changed, and I will say the tune

786
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: hasn't changed with everybody, you know. Bob Bolsby was one

787
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: of those that came back to May. Because I'm working

788
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: on a story on this, I've just looked this up.

789
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: But back in mid May he said, he said, if

790
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: there's any kind of virtual or learning going on, then

791
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: we could have athletics. So it kind of depends on

792
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: who you talk to, and it again, it's another example

793
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: of how college sports are divided among the conferences. Everybody

794
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 3: has their own opinion on this issue.

795
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: Well, and there are fault lines that have emerged, not

796
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: just within the sport, but I think the sport in

797
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: relation to some of the other key components. Right, We've

798
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: got a movement now that is being spearheaded to some

799
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: degree by Justin Fields. He's got over a quarter of

800
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: a million signatures on his we want to play petition.

801
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: We've got Big ten parents, some of whom are saying, Hey,

802
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: we're going to show up on campus, the Big ten

803
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: campus that is, and we're going to try to make

804
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 2: things uncomfortable, whatever that means. We've even got political pressure

805
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: that we all know is out there all trying to

806
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: push these power brokers, these powers that be to maybe

807
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: reverse course in the case of the Big ten, or

808
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: stay on course in the case of the SEC, the ACC,

809
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: Big twelve, etc. Are any of these external forces having

810
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: an impact with those decision makers or do you feel

811
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: like it's something that gets played out on social media

812
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: but not necessarily going to have too much of a

813
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: lasting effect here when it comes to the end of

814
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: the day.

815
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think probably the latter. It is something

816
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: for social media and certainly gets people buzzing. I just

817
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 3: can't imagine the Big ten after making such a significant

818
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: decision and already it sounds like moving on to out

819
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: outlining a spring football point season plan, that they would

820
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 3: reconsider the decision because of a petition and of letters

821
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 3: from parents. It's it would it would just seems like

822
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: it would be it would just go against everything that

823
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: is good judgment. If you if you made this decision,

824
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: and you made it for health reasons, like I said,

825
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: how can you possibly go back on it just a

826
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: few days later when nothing really has changed around the

827
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: COVID nineteen environment. So it would surprise me, and certainly

828
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: in the PAC twelve that definitely ain't happening. I mean,

829
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: they're they're like the chip is has failed. There's a

830
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 3: reason you don't you don't hear money complaints from parents

831
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: and coaches and players out in the PAC twelve. They're

832
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: in a totally different environment that they mean, they couldn't

833
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: even you know, I think some of them couldn't even

834
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: practice because of the state regulations. And stuff like that.

835
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's definitely not going to happen there,

836
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: and it just would be a surprise. I mean if

837
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: if the Big Ten reversed the kind of course. I

838
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: was just starting a Big Team doctor for that story Friday,

839
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: and he was telling me about, you know, all the

840
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: issues about why they made this decision and the uncertainty

841
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: and the fear from presidents and you know, their risk

842
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 3: tolerance isn't quite as high as the others and they're

843
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: not going to risk it and to go back on

844
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: all that, and that would be shocked.

845
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: You mentioned the health and safety concerns that conferences, you know,

846
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: specifically the Big Ten and the Back twelve have cited,

847
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: though there are some you know, be it you know,

848
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: college football media members, fans or whoever, who have pointed

849
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: out that there are also things like legal liability and

850
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: even the maintenance of amateurism as the sort of bold

851
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: font real reasons that conferences like the Big Ten and

852
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: Pac twelve have canceled. Do you hear those types of

853
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: quiet things set out loud by non media, non fan

854
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: types who are or are sitting behind big desks at

855
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: universities and conference offices.

856
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: A little bit.

857
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: I guess.

858
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 3: There there is a sentiment to that. It just here's

859
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: the thing. It's kind with the overview of this old

860
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: all we've been having is like the nation is divided.

861
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: I mean college sports is divided as well. So yeah,

862
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: you do hear it from important this is but then

863
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: you talk to somebody else and it's it's some other version.

864
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's some other opinion. It's just the regionalization

865
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: right now of what's going on in America is incredible,

866
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: and the virus has shown the light on it and

867
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: it's exposed college athletics too. But you know, I think

868
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: to get that's the question I am. I think you

869
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: hear vics and pieces.

870
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it does come from I like to

871
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 4: think you talked to ads in even people who are

872
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 4: close to presidents, and you hear it from the conference

873
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 4: office as well.

874
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes fall camp has begun at a number of places.

875
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: This is something that we're sort of glossing over at

876
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: the moment. And we've talked a little about clusters of

877
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: cases popping up at places like Notre Dame in North Carolina.

878
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: This may sound silly, but and you mentioned that doctors

879
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: have not cleared the sec to begin a season merely

880
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: just fall camp. Does this mean that protocols for testing

881
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: and tracing and quarantining, just how long and where and

882
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: all things like that? Are those all finalized? Is that

883
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: all set already in most places?

884
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: It's here's how it was described to me. This is

885
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 3: a living breathing document, is how they like to describe

886
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: their in season protocols. They do have a sin they

887
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: I mean the Power five of the remaining Power five

888
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: teams I think, for the most part put out their

889
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 3: in season protocols. But it is changing. It's changing based

890
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: on CDC guidelines a lot of times. So you know,

891
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: fourteen day mandatory quarantine might soon be ten day mandatory

892
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: quarantine because of the CDT changing its guidelines. The SEC

893
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 3: might soon go to he said, a two weeks or

894
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: two two times a week of testing, three times a

895
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: week of testing, doing the third maybe right before a

896
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: game or a Friday. So I think these protocols are

897
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: constantly changing based on the COVID nineteen environment in the

898
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: CDC regulations. So you know, some conferences have in season

899
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: protocols at all right now, and that's coming. I think

900
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 3: that's coming pretty shortly. You'll see conference USA, I think

901
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: come out with something somewhat soon about their protocols. The AAC,

902
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if they've officially released their document. I

903
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: have their document, but I'm not sure it's officially been

904
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: made public, and it's changing. The reason I haven't reported

905
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: on their document is because it's changing constantly, so I

906
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: think they're waiting to the last minute to get to

907
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: like a, Okay, here's our plan. But even during the season,

908
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: I expect protocols and stuff to change because of the

909
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: CDC sidelines changing.

910
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: We've seen a number of coaches across various conferences, big names,

911
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, Ryan da Nick Saban, Davosweeney, whatever, they've a

912
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: lot or an overwhelming number, seem to say, we want

913
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: to play, we want to go about this in a

914
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: safe way, we want to take care of our players.

915
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: But there's also concern. There's there seems to be concern

916
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: about doing things properly. Is there a consensus in the

917
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: coaching community about how conferences teams should proceed or is

918
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: it you know you talk about we're a divided country

919
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: and it reflects itself in college football. Is the coaching

920
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: community as divided as the rest of us? Seem to be.

921
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. I would I would say that the

922
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 3: vast majority of college coaches, especially head coaches, are wanting

923
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: in thinking that there should be a college football season.

924
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: I don't know what the percentage is, maybe eighty percent,

925
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: maybe it's ninety percent. And it's not all them. It's

926
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: definitely not all of them. And I've heard from some

927
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: that that don't believe that that we should play, but

928
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 3: it is a very small it's a small group, so yeah,

929
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: And I think that goes for players too. I think

930
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: coaches and players are on somewhat the same terms when

931
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: it comes to playing a season. I think they want

932
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: to play. The vast majority of them, I would have

933
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: been should say ninety plus percent want to play a season.

934
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: And I think athletic directors and I guess there's a

935
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: difference in want to play a season, should play a

936
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: sea But even I even think that coaches players they

937
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 3: should play a season. I think there's probably the vast

938
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 3: majority thinking that. I think as you go up the

939
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: wrong on the ladder, that percentage drops, you know, so

940
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: you go to the ad level, and I think that's

941
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 3: the percentage of ads who think we should play drops.

942
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: If you go up another level and you go to

943
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: President's and I think the drops I do. That's just

944
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: how I kind of get to feel from talking to

945
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: those in college athletics.

946
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: When you look at the sport and you mentioned the

947
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: phrase the virus has shown a flashlight on everything that

948
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: needs fixing or that is wrong or that has long

949
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: been wrong with the sport. When you look at what realistically,

950
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: you've covered the sport for a long time, you know

951
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: people far and wide across the sport. Realistically, what should

952
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: people expect as for change that can come from such

953
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: a crazy event? Is it on the player level? Is

954
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: it on the sport structure level? Is it on the

955
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: power five NCAA back and forth level? Where is the

956
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: realistic change over the next twenty four months likely to come?

957
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: No, it's a great question, and I think there is

958
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 3: going to be changed, don't know how quickly. But going

959
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: through all this, I can't imagine they're not being being

960
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 3: some change. We're already gonna get changed with the image

961
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: lightnings stuff coming down the pipe in one time. A

962
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: transfer rule where it could be a limited players will

963
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: be able to transfer and I'm unlimited and play play immediately.

964
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: All that I mean all that is going to drastically

965
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: change college athletics starting next year. However, uh that was

966
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: even gonna happen for the pandemic. In the pandemic is

967
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: going to add probably some elements. I think we'll see

968
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 3: a continued gap widening between the power five in everybody else,

969
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: and eventually I just can't imagine that they're not gonna

970
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: split off. Not saying it's gonna happen next year the

971
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: year after, but it feels like we're heading toward a

972
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: split of some kind where the power five you know,

973
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 3: hold their own chaminampionships and such. Because the gap continues

974
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: to widen in the pandemic has shown how wide it is.

975
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 3: Number One name, image and likeness is going to show

976
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 3: even wider, and transfer stuff is even going to show

977
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 3: even wider, and it's just going to continue to get

978
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: The gap is going to continue to get larger and larger.

979
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 3: I think one of the also one of the repercussions

980
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: ramifications of all this is the spending in college athletics,

981
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: specifically on Olympic sports. When it comes especially they travel,

982
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: You're going to see a different course of action. First

983
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: of all, you've already seen sports cut Olympic sports cut

984
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 3: sad to see. And there's sixty plus division and sports

985
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: teams that have been cut, which is the most like

986
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: almost fifteen years, I believe, and that's that's probably going

987
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: to continue. So you're going to see that. You're going

988
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: to see just overall cuts to to how an athletic

989
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 3: department spins on the sports that.

990
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: Do not make it money. All right, Well, joined here

991
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: by Ross Dellinger from Sports Illustrated sside dot com. I

992
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: got two quick ones for you and then we'll let

993
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: you go. Perhaps you can get some rest Selfishly, Ross,

994
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: Dan and I are here trying to figure out when

995
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: should we do our conference preview podcasts. We did one

996
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: for the we did one for the Big twelve. On

997
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: the day that the Big ten and Pac twelve pulled

998
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: the plug. We had scheduled to do our Big ten

999
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: preview that clearly did not happen. So now we've got

1000
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: three other conferences, Power five conferences anyway, that are out

1001
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: there just kind of hanging in limbo. What are you

1002
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: watching for? What should we watch for? If we're looking

1003
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: for a bell weather, like, is this thing actually going

1004
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: to go down in the fall? What are like the

1005
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: milestones that you see coming that we should all pay

1006
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: attention to.

1007
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: Students for returning at camp. So once once those three

1008
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: Power five conferences have all those schools have all their

1009
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: students back at campus for a week or two, and

1010
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 3: then you might even want to wait another week just

1011
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: to see the potential spikes. That's when we're going to

1012
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: see that happen. And I don't have obviously the start

1013
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: a class of dates in front of it, but it

1014
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: started roughly a week ago, and it would probably stretch

1015
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: through most of the months. And you know, there's a

1016
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: reason the SEC pushed back to September twenty sixth. They

1017
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: are waiting to see partly to see what happens when

1018
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: students return and if they can kind of if there

1019
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 3: is a spike in late August or early September, if

1020
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: they can get to a plateau before they start. So

1021
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 3: you're better off waiting until I would say the earliest

1022
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: the first week.

1023
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: Of final question. Then with that out of the way,

1024
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: spring season has been the bailout option for the Big Ten,

1025
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve. We know there are other conferences around

1026
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: college football that are that are bumping to spring. It

1027
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: is not the ideal scenario for any of them, there

1028
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: are logistical nightmares associated with it, no doubt. Of the

1029
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: administrators that you talk to, if you could kind of

1030
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: give me the split like you did with the coaches

1031
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: and the university presidents of the ads, where are people

1032
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: at with regard to spring season viability?

1033
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: You know, it all depends on who you talk to,

1034
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: and you're getting different answers from people with different motivations.

1035
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: So those who are still in it to all are saying,

1036
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: no way, you cannot possibly play a spring, and those

1037
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: who have already bailed on a fall and only have

1038
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: one option left, which is the spring, are saying, yes,

1039
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: you know, we think it can be done. So it's

1040
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: somewhere in the middle. I think before before those teams

1041
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: bailed on a fall, like back a month ago, even

1042
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: two months ago, when you asked around on a spring,

1043
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: the majority of responses were no, can't do it. Not

1044
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 3: viable for all these reasons, And I think the top

1045
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: one is playing twenty to twenty five games and an

1046
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 3: eight months pen, basically playing two seasons in within a

1047
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: calendar year. It is difficult, I think for administrators to

1048
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 3: wrap their minds around doing that to amateur athletes in

1049
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: the what I call the year of nil. They are

1050
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: NCAA is begging Congress for help when it comes to

1051
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 3: athlete compensation and they're having to bend over and and

1052
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: catered to athletes. The NCAAA is around every turn, just

1053
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: optically for Congress in all of this this mess to

1054
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: the to the end result, which is in federal in

1055
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 3: IL bill that the hope is inca friendly. So in

1056
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 3: the year of inn al, it's tough to see them

1057
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 3: doing this. And that's just one reason why I think

1058
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 3: spring is going to be tough. Logistically, the TV windows,

1059
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: all your star players are, you know, a large part

1060
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 3: of them leaving for the NFL, the NFL potentially having

1061
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: to push back its dates. You know, it could be.

1062
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 3: It could be a mess.

1063
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: All right. Again. His name is Ross Dellinger. He's doing

1064
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: fine work out there for Sports Illustrated sside dot com.

1065
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: Please follow him on Twitter and Ross please come back

1066
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: soon sometime when maybe there's a lot less turmoil in

1067
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: the world of college football.

1068
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: It'd be great to talk football, Yeah, it.

1069
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: Would, it would That's that's usually what I'm used to

1070
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 3: talking about his football. It would be nice to talk

1071
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: about the starting quarterback in the backup left guard and

1072
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: one day, one day.

1073
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: Can't wait twenty twenty two. Ross Dellinger, thank you so

1074
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: much for stopping on by. Take care all right, Dan

1075
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: Again that is Ross Dellinger. Find his fine work out

1076
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: there on SI dot com as well as Sports Illustrated.

1077
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: Don't forget to follow Ross Dellinger on Twitter as well

1078
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 2: for all this breaking news, doing a really really good

1079
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: job trying to keep us up to date with what

1080
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: he is hearing, talking to powerbrokers and administrators and coaches

1081
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: and players.

1082
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Speaker 1: And also, if you find yourself in the state of

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Speaker 1: Louisiana and are hungry, it's a really smart idea to

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Speaker 1: somehow get a hold of Ross Ellinger to ask him,

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Speaker 1: no matter what town, what highway, what parish, wherever you are,

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Speaker 1: where to eat because he somehow knows everything about where

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Speaker 1: to eat in Louisiana and specifically Baton Rouge. So I

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Speaker 1: couldn't recommend that more and couldn't recommend following and reading

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Speaker 1: Ross more. So really glad we had him on. Also,

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Speaker 1: Ty should be mentioned, just because in the spirit of

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Speaker 1: everything changing all day every day, we are now going

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Speaker 1: live four seven on Touch. I was just gonna say

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Speaker 1: we must.

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Speaker 2: This is why we have arizonas in here now because

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Speaker 2: we need to make sure that we're always available for

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Speaker 2: breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is ty snack on? What is his sleep schedule?

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Speaker 1: Does he have some sort of headset for the mysterious

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Speaker 1: day job? To keep going with that? I should say,

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Speaker 1: by the way, just because everything changes all the time.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Florida State and a couple of receivers

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Speaker 1: voice and concerns about clarity and testing protocol and all

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01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: those things. Warren Thompson, one of those receivers, apologized for

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Speaker 1: bringing up that concern I guess without knowing all of

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Speaker 1: the information out there. So he and Mike Norvell have

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Speaker 1: made nice and we mentioned to Mary and Terry as

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Speaker 1: well as one of those So uh, it appears that

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Speaker 1: situation has improved and there's a better dialogue at Florida

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Speaker 1: State and we're a fan of that.

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Speaker 2: Whoo, all right, a lot going down, Dan, I do

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Speaker 2: have some exciting news for you though. Oh Okay, after

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Speaker 2: I connect, I'm going down to take my chicken out

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Speaker 2: of a brine that I've got going on before I

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Speaker 2: hold on.

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Speaker 1: Slow down, Slow down. We're talking about a whole chicken, thighs, breasts, chicken, breasts,

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Speaker 1: chicken breasts, okay, wet Brian, dry Brian, wet Brian.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be delicious. I've done both wet and

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Speaker 1: dry with chicken and turkey. I don't think i've done

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Speaker 1: it with anything. Poultry is a little more difficult because

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Speaker 1: it's not as fatty a meat.

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Speaker 2: I've never done this before. I've never tried the brining before.

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Speaker 1: I recommend a dry brine rather than a wet Brian.

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Speaker 1: I have found that the seasoning penetrates the meat better

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Speaker 1: with a dry brin.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for telling me that now, by the way, But okay,

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Speaker 2: you didn't ask, I didn't ask. It's fair.

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Speaker 1: Are you how are you preparing? You grilling? Are you roasting?

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Speaker 1: Are you frying?

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna taste I think we're gonna try

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Speaker 2: a roast.

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Speaker 3: Um.

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Speaker 1: What do you What is in your wet brian? If

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Speaker 1: that's not too personal a question.

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Speaker 2: Just kosher salt, just and water.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I think it'll be delicious. I think the

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Speaker 1: dry brine does a better job, and open to being wrong,

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Speaker 1: I think it does a better job of bringing out

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Speaker 1: the natural juices. But man, what do you serving on

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Speaker 1: the side.

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Speaker 2: I have not decided yet.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a sauce option? I haven't say.

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Speaker 2: I don't know yet. I just I decided I was

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Speaker 2: going to do this before hitting the record button. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna find out what happens when I disconnect

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Speaker 2: and roast this up. But I can keep everyone a

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Speaker 2: breast situation. Oh no, on my Twitter feed is canceled

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Speaker 2: solid verbal Twitter feed.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about thighs?

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan. Okay, I don't have any here, nor

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Speaker 2: do I have any actual live chickens run around out back.

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Speaker 2: But next time, sure you don't know.

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Speaker 1: So what do you have on hand for a side?

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Speaker 2: Could do maybe some broccoli roast that up chart up,

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Speaker 2: could do some salad?

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Speaker 1: Okay, dessert? Do we have a starch involved?

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Speaker 2: No starch?

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Speaker 1: No, no starch start dessert. You're gonna make a special

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Speaker 1: night special Tuesday night.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see see how we're feeling.

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Speaker 1: I gotta edit snicker dudes. Okay, all right, that's all

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Speaker 1: I wanted to know. You didn't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: answers for me.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long week. It's only Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Dan saltwater chicken breasts over at Casa de hilden Brandt tonight. Okay,

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Speaker 1: please do.

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Speaker 2: Write in celiverbo at gmail dot com. Let us know

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01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: your thoughts as always as to what's going down in

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Speaker 2: and around the college football world. We'd love to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget to follow us out there on social media

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Speaker 2: as well. Dan, whatever you're having for dinner tonight, I

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Speaker 2: hope it's at least half as good as mine.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping so too. I have no idea what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself to hilden brand. We will be back in

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01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: just a few days. Talk more college football with all y'all.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, stay healthy and stay sought peace. Catch

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Speaker 2: us on twitch twenty four