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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Urban Myers getting into the College Football Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame tonight in Las Vegas. Reportedly legally gamble there.

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Speaker 1: It's not a gamble. When we bring Joel klatt on,

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Speaker 1: he is fired up. I gotta tell you, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: put Tu Lane or James Madison in.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But I'm you know, I'm an elitist. Other than that.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, I kind of liked it, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alabama people can argue.

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Speaker 4: I normally try to defend the little guy, you know,

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Speaker 4: with you, and I try to not be the elitist.

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Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, I think I'm.

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Speaker 4: An elitist as well, because I don't there's no reason

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Speaker 4: for Tulane and Jmu to be in this thing. Here's

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Speaker 4: the truth, all right, call them. The truth is is

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Speaker 4: that the group of five or six whatever you want

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Speaker 4: to call it now. You know, as conferences have changed

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Speaker 4: around the only reason that they're included or have access

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Speaker 4: to this playoff is to avoid litigation. It's to avoid

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Speaker 4: an anti trust lawsuit. That's the only reason that they've

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Speaker 4: got access to this is because of the overlitigious nature

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Speaker 4: of what's going on in college football through the last

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Speaker 4: two decades. And it's not good for anybody. Listen, I

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Speaker 4: think that they should. I think it would be better

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Speaker 4: for that level of school, the mid majors, to go

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Speaker 4: play their own national championship. I think that would be amazing,

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Speaker 4: like the FCS does, and allow these teams to go

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Speaker 4: out there and crown a national champion. So I'm with

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Speaker 4: you on that. I just don't think it doesn't serve

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Speaker 4: anybody's purpose. I don't think it makes college football better.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it makes the play off better, And candidly,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't help those programs to go out there and

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Speaker 4: potentially get beat badly.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of a Notre dame A little petty,

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Speaker 1: little whiny, I argued earlier. They don't want to commit

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Speaker 1: fully to a conference, they won't put a ring on it,

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Speaker 1: but they want the benefits of marriage and it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: Miami is a twenty one year member of the ACC.

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Speaker 1: Miami beat you had to head. Miami had the full

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Speaker 1: support of the ACC. The ACC is proposed a Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame several times and they won't say yes. So don't

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Speaker 1: be shocked if you don't get their full support, you're

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Speaker 1: not a full member. Yeah, no, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I'd like that analogy. Here's what I would say is

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Speaker 4: that I think that Notre Dame is very emotional right now,

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Speaker 4: and they are responding out of emotion, and they're allowing

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Speaker 4: the kids in the room to kind of govern the boats.

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Speaker 4: And I don't love that. I think that leadership should

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Speaker 4: take over. I think Marcus Freeman is better than this.

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Speaker 4: I think Notre Dame is better than this. I think

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Speaker 4: that they look petty playing in a bowl game, and listen,

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Speaker 4: I understand that they're upset. I totally understand that. Because

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Speaker 4: here's the thing. Both of these things can be true.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you, Colin and believe that the committee

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Speaker 4: got it right by putting Miami over Notre Dame because

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Speaker 4: they played in Miami one. I can also say that

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Speaker 4: I think that this structure of playoff isn't the most

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Speaker 4: perfect thing I've ever seen, and that Notre Dame is

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Speaker 4: probably better than half the teams in the field. That's

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Speaker 4: also true. And what Notre Dame is upset at is

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Speaker 4: actually the weekly rankings. They're upset that they feel like

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Speaker 4: the rug was pulled out from under them, because if

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Speaker 4: that kind of makes sense. We understand that head to

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Speaker 4: the ESPN show, they're upset at the weekly rankings, they're

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Speaker 4: upset at the committee. And yet the fault in all

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Speaker 4: of this, it's not the committee's fault, Colin.

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Speaker 3: The fault is the ACCC.

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Speaker 4: And their horrid tie breaking system is what allowed a

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Speaker 4: it's a tie breaking situation with the conference that you're

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Speaker 4: supposedly in bed with, even though not married. You know, listen,

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Speaker 4: like you said, but that's the problem with this whole thing,

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Speaker 4: because if Miami would have correctly been in the ACC

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Speaker 4: So the whole issue here is actually the way that

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Speaker 1: I was a little surprised that Indiana's defensive front bullied

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Speaker 1: Ohio State couldn't run the ball. I mean, Kurt Signetti

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Speaker 1: As you were doing the broadcast, did you feel this

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Speaker 4: I don't think cautious is the right word, and in fact,

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Speaker 4: I really believe these three things are going to play

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Speaker 4: Number two is that we are not as distracted as

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Speaker 4: They had these recruiting battles on Wednesday with the National

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Speaker 4: the shoe and that sticks with us a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And he said those things, and call him those things

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Speaker 4: played out yep on Saturday night. He was right. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: to his credit, he was right. And I'm certain. I'm

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Speaker 4: a lot of success in the playoff. I really, because

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Speaker 4: I think we saw the two best teams in the sport.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I don't know if Georgia, I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know if Georgia can move the

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest revelation for the country on Saturday

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Speaker 1: Think about this, Dante Moore.

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Speaker 4: And Julians saying have been virtually untouched this college football season,

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Speaker 4: the two quarterbacks at Oregon and Ohio State. And yet

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Speaker 4: between those two they were sacked eleven times by Indiana

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Speaker 4: about being bullied up front by that defensive front seven.

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Speaker 4: That defensive line is slippery, they're active, they're very good,

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Speaker 1: I like the nil I stated earlier. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: it gives them a little taste of money. It used

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Speaker 1: I think it's easier for the athlete. I like that

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Speaker 1: big fat contract, So I'd educates all the athletes. I

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Speaker 1: also like the fact that you told me it was

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Speaker 1: not you. But people say it's going to ruin college football,

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Speaker 1: the rich will get richer. I don't know Indiana Vana

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Speaker 1: one of the brain schools. Indiana's got a great best school.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Vandy brain school almost like really smart alumni bases

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Speaker 1: Now they can donate for nil that's right. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: too late to a brain school. Well, Chulaine, what do

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Speaker 1: you know? It's you can buy some good players. Here's

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Speaker 1: the other thing. I don't think arch Manning, Ty Simpson

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Speaker 4: need they all need another year. I agree, and in

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Speaker 1: Yeah. What did you make of Fernando Mendoza. Do you

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Speaker 1: mean he checks every box. Is there anything when you

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Speaker 1: looks like I can't miss. Oh Man.

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Speaker 4: Comps are always are so difficult for me because inevitably.

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Speaker 4: I think that they can feel like a knock or

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Speaker 4: they can feel way too high and you're putting too

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you several though.

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Speaker 4: There's different parts of his game and personality that remind

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Speaker 4: me of different players. So his personality, right, he's a

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Speaker 4: football nerd. He's very smart, he's very team oriented, loves

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Speaker 4: That's what kind of the vibe I get from him.

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Speaker 4: On the field, He's got two different styles of play

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Speaker 4: he is. He's like a he's like a Jared Goff

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Speaker 4: that can move more in line with Herbert but not

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Speaker 4: quite as physically gifted as Herbert as a runner, but

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Speaker 4: he can run. So it's somewhere along those lines, you know.

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Speaker 4: And he's got a very quick release, he's accurate, he

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Speaker 4: going to be the number one quarterback taken in next

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Speaker 4: I think Arch absolutely has to stand in college and

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Speaker 4: I would I would recommend to Ty Simpson and Dante

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Speaker 4: Moore to stay in college. And by the way, you

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Speaker 1: So well, enjoy the night. Urban Meyer is getting elected

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I think I'll take the buck Eyes

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Speaker 1: I said, now, it's about how rich the nil is

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Speaker 1: So I said this. You know, Alabama's done a rich school.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to your bears and the Roma Dunzay injury

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Speaker 3: last week should have opened the door for DJ Moore

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Speaker 3: him in fantasy for two weeks because you know, it

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Speaker 3: seems like something's a miss with DJ Moore and Caleb

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Speaker 5: He ran some pretty good routes over the course of

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Speaker 5: which that was not the intent. You know, I thought

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Speaker 5: going to the game we might have had more for

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Speaker 1: I will say this. So Caleb Williams is in year two, right,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me watching the Bears, and I don't

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Speaker 1: Roma Dunzay. When he's healthy. That is not a knock.

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Speaker 1: But Moore is a veteran. Caleb's not. DJ Moore can

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Speaker 1: I mean DJ Moore comes in, he's his body language

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Speaker 1: just knows great. He's the veteran. Caleb Williams wants to

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Speaker 1: william What about common Unguy? Well he's been good, by

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Speaker 1: the way, But I mean, look at who is producing

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Speaker 1: his body language and I don't blame Caleb. Caleb's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I got you got to pick roommates. Yeah, Roma Dunzay,

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Speaker 1: he's my guy, and Colston Loveland's my guy. Cole Comet,

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Speaker 1: more of a veteran, doesn't feel like and I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, quarterbacks have their favorite targets. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: Caleb can pick up on that. This is his last

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Speaker 3: Bears passing offense has struggled last four games. Now what

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Speaker 3: do you make You see that line seven and a half,

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Speaker 3: It was eight and a half Browns going to Chicago.

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Speaker 3: So before you render avert, it is only Tuesday. Keep

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Speaker 3: playing a team from the different conference Packers last week,

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Speaker 3: There is some money coming in on the brownsh.

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Speaker 1: I There's no question if you look at the last

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Speaker 1: four games, this one is the irrelevant one. Green Bay

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Speaker 3: I know Tony Pollard went nuts last week against his

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Speaker 3: a lot of injuries. I think this is closer than

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Speaker 3: the experts think.

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Speaker 1: Now. Shadura has a little bit of a recent history

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Speaker 3: They do they do. I haven't bet it yet, but

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Speaker 3: I'm it would be browns or passed for me. Next up, Collin.

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Speaker 3: We got a little Dallas Cowboys action. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you saw the social media tiff between mouthy George

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Speaker 3: beef if you will. Sherman called Pickens uninterested and disengaged

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Speaker 3: then Pickets called him out in something he ended up

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Speaker 3: we won't read here anyway. Brian Schottenheimer talked about having

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Speaker 6: And his words, he goes, hey, shot, ye, I didn't

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Speaker 6: play my best game, and you know, I think that Unfortunately,

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Speaker 6: so that's real. But again, I don't worry about George

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Speaker 6: you know, for five or six weeks, he was the

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Speaker 6: talk of the sport world. You know, look at George

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Speaker 6: Pickens and now again we didn't coach or play well

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Speaker 6: enough to win that game in Detroit. They beat us,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bad time for Pickens to not play his best game.

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Speaker 1: You got what do you got here?

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Speaker 3: Vikings and JJ McCarthy go to Dallas this week?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Oh you like Dallas here?

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Speaker 1: Huh off an ugly loss, extra time to prepare. Suddenly

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Speaker 1: everybody's telling Dallas, Oh, JJ's a real player. Watch the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys roll. By the way, Brian Flores Dack's a veteran,

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Speaker 1: He's seen every coverage. I like Pickins is going to rebound.

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Speaker 1: George Pickens is going to be focused, get in a

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Speaker 1: little heat. By the way, he wants to get a contract.

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Speaker 3: Seee. Lamb coming back from the concussion. I think late

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Speaker 3: in the season, it's like concussion protocol, just forget it.

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Speaker 3: We need to back out there. That'll be interesting because.

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Speaker 1: Lamb did now Boys extra time were humiliated defriends defensively.

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Speaker 1: Dallas has had a pretty prickly week of practice, they

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Speaker 1: got to gave up a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Points giving out of your picks on Tuesday. All Right,

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Speaker 3: I say, Dallas, hey, I want that smoke. Okay, Dallas

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Speaker 3: covers final story. Let's go to that game again, but

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Speaker 3: from the Vikings point of view, and let's focus on

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Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson. Listen, some people I'm not gonna name names,

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Speaker 3: really want to make this an issue, Like Justin Jefferson's

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Speaker 3: not happy, he's not getting targets. He doesn't have great

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Speaker 3: numbers with McCarthy. Anyways, Jefferson, who doesn't seem thrilled, which

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Speaker 3: is understandable, talked about just wanting to win football games.

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Speaker 1: Colin, here we go just win games.

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Speaker 7: I rather win and not get the ball, then lose

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Speaker 7: and I get the ball. So as long as we

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Speaker 7: went in and this team coming in here with a

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Speaker 7: happy smile on their face, and you know we have

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Speaker 7: that confidence to contain you on and it can't tell

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Speaker 7: you till next week, and to better ourselves.

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Speaker 1: I like that team.

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Speaker 3: First, you think he's excited about facing that Cowboys secondary

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Speaker 3: and he's got one of the best arms in the league.

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Speaker 1: Can are you insinuating Dallas is not the side they

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Speaker 1: just be careful with this one big guy Dallas defense. Really,

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Speaker 1: I don't live in the careful lane.

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Speaker 3: That's not my life A risk taker.

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Speaker 1: I know you're like Arnold, let's got a few picks,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going downtown.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying Dallas for sure, I would just be

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Speaker 3: careful here. McCarthy look very good settling in against Washington.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Jordan Mason pounding the rock.

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Speaker 1: You're not being serious.

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Speaker 3: I'm dead dead ass as the kids say.

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Speaker 1: I could say that right, you just did. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: J Mack with the News, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the boy of the games this week are really good.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is funny with a college football playoff.

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Speaker 1: I think we ended up I mean just two lane

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Speaker 1: James Madison. There'd be lawsuits that they weren't allowed in.

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Speaker 1: But all the moves that college football made, disbanding the

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Speaker 1: Pac ten, Pac twelve, the nil, the portal, it's rough,

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Speaker 1: it's different, it's it's you know, for traditionalists, it's difficult

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Speaker 1: college football. Go look at the ratings college football matchups

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Speaker 1: this year. I mean it started with Ohio State and Texas.

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Speaker 1: It was just a great season. I mean, there's there

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Speaker 1: was drama with Lane Kiffin, there was drama with the

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Speaker 1: College Football Playoff Committee. We had a great season Indiana,

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Speaker 1: Ohio States. That's as good as it gets. So I

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Speaker 1: think the playoffs interesting. I think all the teams that

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Speaker 1: need to be in r and I think Vandy and

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame had to win one more game and they didn't.

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Speaker 1: It's that simple.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: You used that chat GPT thing right once in a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on there right now.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, AI is fun. It's I like messing around

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Speaker 1: with it. So last night they did an alternate broadcast.

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Speaker 1: I did not see that using Monsters Inc. Which was

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Speaker 1: very funny movie. So here's how bad the play was.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, Jalen Hurt's only quarterback in league history.

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Speaker 1: Two turnovers on one play, the pick, fumble, recovery and

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Speaker 1: then fumble. Yeah, so five total turnovers. So on the

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Speaker 1: alternate broadcast, you'd think AI could figure it out, Like

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Speaker 1: AI is just brilliant, it knows everything. So on the

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Speaker 1: alternate broadcast, it was so unique and rare that they

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Speaker 1: didn't know what to do with the second fumble. They

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Speaker 1: just laid it on the carpet. They sorry to the

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Speaker 1: radio audience. They literally didn't know what to do because

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Speaker 1: it was such a unique and random play, and they

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Speaker 1: they had the crowd shots by the way as well.

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Speaker 3: By the way, do you think Hurts could figure this out?

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Speaker 3: How much of it is like losing Kellen Moore? Like

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Speaker 3: Kellen Moore obviously knew what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: I think we said this earlier. Nick Sirianni is clearly

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Speaker 1: a head coach who was dependent on his coordinator. Jalen

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Speaker 1: is a quarterback who was clearly dependent on many things.

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Speaker 1: And I've said this, Brock perties good when he's got

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Speaker 1: the oline healthy, when he's got his full complements of weapons.

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's nine and five and it's a mess. Oh

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Speaker 1: lines the worst in the league.

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Speaker 3: Well, Patrick Mahomes, offensive lines beat up. He had the

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Speaker 3: worst game of his career hem in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: No tackles gets slaughtered. So there's many mixed guys on

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Speaker 3: the planet.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow Mahomes, I think Herbert's one of them. Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: I think Jordan loves one of them. You can get

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs and the team can be a wreck.

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Speaker 1: They're just that good. Then there's another circumstantial quarterbacks c J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud could be either department. I'm not sure what about

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Speaker 1: GoF Your guy Goff GoF circumstantial GoF needs a good

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Speaker 1: old line. Stafford also, Stafford can win. Stafford can get

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Speaker 1: you to the playoffs. I think with McVeigh without an

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Speaker 1: ideal situation. So let's we talked about this earlier. Put

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in two groups. There's the hot air balloons. They're

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Speaker 1: weather dependent, right, you can't go up in a lightning storm.

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Speaker 1: There are certain quarterbacks they're dependent on circumstances being perfect

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Speaker 1: or more right. I know you love Hurts Andy. They're

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Speaker 1: in that. I could argue Sam Donald's in that. Sam

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Speaker 1: needs the right weapons, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Sam, Donald's in the same class as No, No, No.

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Speaker 1: You're getting all defensive. Sam's in that Hurts pretty class.

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Speaker 1: He needs a little protection. You speed it up for Donald,

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Speaker 1: he'll throw more picks. Baker Mayfield can get very reckless.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are There's about six on the planet that

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Speaker 1: can get you to the playoffs, regardless of coach, regardless

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Speaker 1: of coordinator. And there's six in the world six in

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Speaker 1: the world. They're the fighter pilots. Just give me the coordinates.

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Speaker 1: So give me the assignment, give me the coordinators.

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Speaker 3: Who were So we know the big four, right, and

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Speaker 3: then there's two others, Herbert and who's the other one.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Jordan Love has proven to me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's had battle lines and no run games

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Speaker 1: and all the receivers are hurt and you look up

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Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, Jordan Love's still amazing. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: in his prime was closer to that old Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: is not. So there's only about in my lifetime, there's

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Speaker 1: only you go back to my entire life, back to

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Speaker 1: the seventies, there's always been about six quarterbacks that are

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Speaker 1: just better. They just need less And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: they win Super Bowls, but they can get to the

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Speaker 1: playoffs with less. And then there's another six or seven guys.

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Speaker 1: Now you could argue Dak's in that first group. Say

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Speaker 1: what you want, We're not talking super bowls, Dak, Jason Garrett,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, great o' Lions, bad old lines, great run game,

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Speaker 1: no run game. I'd argue Dak's gonna win double digit

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Speaker 1: games if he's standing up. So I think the revelation

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Speaker 1: this year is that Dak is better than hers. Dak

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Speaker 1: has Brian Schottenheimer, the O line, camp pass pro, George

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Speaker 1: Pickens is there at one point, Ceedee Lamb was out.

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Speaker 1: The defense before the trades was awful, and Dak's you know,

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Speaker 1: got him in the playoff.

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Speaker 3: Could you counter that, hey, listen, Dak is similar to

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Speaker 3: what we were talking NBA earlier regular seasons. One thing.

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Speaker 3: Playoff's a different animal. Well, he's got a sample of

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Speaker 3: Dak in the playoffs doing nothing.

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Speaker 1: I would not worry about that. Playoff games are hard

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Speaker 1: for everybody.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Jalen Hurts had an amazing playoff run last

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Speaker 3: year by every analytical number, seventy percent completions, one turnover,

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Speaker 3: like ten touchdown. He was exceptional.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but again go back to it. Saquon had the

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Speaker 1: greatest running back here ever. The on line was completely healthy,

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Speaker 1: the defense was number one, they had a great coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Now he's awful. So it's just the I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just like, well, I'll give you an example that game.

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Speaker 1: In my industry, Joe Rogan would be popular on podcasting

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Speaker 1: regardless of who his producer is. Regardless of what company

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Speaker 1: he was on Spotify, iHeart Joe Rogan would be popular.

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Speaker 1: He can be better if he had the best producer

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Speaker 1: and he was on the best audio platform, but he

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Speaker 1: would always be He's the curious, interesting storyteller. He would

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Speaker 1: always be popular. That's a star in any space. Or

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Speaker 1: you find a great writer. You find a great writer

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Speaker 1: at the New York Times, the Washington Post. They can

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Speaker 1: find an audience on substack. They could find an audience

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Speaker 1: at the New York Times. They could find the Yahoo.

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Speaker 1: It's very rare. Most even good performers in media, in law,

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Speaker 1: in anything, they need a support group to elevate the

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Speaker 1: Howard Stern got numbers regardless of who the PD was. Right.

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Speaker 3: So when it comes to quarterbacks, it's tough because quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: don't really change teams a lot. Stafford is the one

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Speaker 3: when he was in Detroit, really good quarterback, number one pick,

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Speaker 3: big arm, but he was never like upper resh line.

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Speaker 3: Now he goes to McVeigh and he gets Davante and

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Speaker 3: Buka becomes and now he's in that upper crust.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that ass certainly? But Detroit wasn't

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Speaker 1: just average. They were a mess, you know, like.

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Speaker 3: Kelvin Johnson's a Hall of Famer, but otherwise, yes, coaching

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Speaker 3: circles and they.

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Speaker 1: Never communicateed that. I mean, I think my take on

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks is every year the NFL draft gives us about

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Speaker 1: one to two franchise quarterbacks. That's it. So over a

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Speaker 1: ten year period you get let's say eighteen new franchise quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like legitimate can win a playoff game. Every

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Speaker 1: four to five years you get a superstar. I think

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Speaker 1: Drake May is that where it just doesn't matter. Drake

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Speaker 1: now Vrabel's obviously good, but the roster is much better

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Speaker 1: this year than last. They spend three hundred million dollars

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Speaker 1: on it. They hit on like three draft picks, but

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Speaker 1: they're just in my lifetime. You get a star, you

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Speaker 1: get a Dan Fouts, a Montana, A Brady, A Manning,

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Speaker 1: a Luck, a Mahomes and allan About every four to

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Speaker 1: five years you get one of those. I think Mendoza

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Speaker 1: is that. I think Drake May is that. I think

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Speaker 1: bo Nicks is circumstantial. He wouldn't be this good without

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton. I think Caleb is circumstantial. He wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: this good. We saw it last year without ben Jonsons

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Speaker 1: not that good.

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Speaker 3: I mean some of the numbers. I mean, they're winning,

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Speaker 3: but some of them are, like Caleb is not putting

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Speaker 3: up rock party numbers from San Francisco, right, and it's

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Speaker 3: only a second year, so we don't expect that.

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Speaker 1: But he's got much more, It's more durable, he's got

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Speaker 1: a much bigger arm. He's a great athlete, Brocks none

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Speaker 1: of those things. Yeah, you gotta be available on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Once you start having a second, third, fourth injury. That

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Speaker 1: is a skill.

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Speaker 3: I said Joe Burrow, he's going through that.

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Speaker 1: Joe is just so good. He's so great that you're like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna tolerate the injuries. And also the Bengals are

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Speaker 1: a so like Josh Allen Herbert. They're similar to Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Wherever Lebron goes, he gonna win. He's gonna go to

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Speaker 1: the finals.

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Speaker 3: Days awesome. You take Justin Herbert, put him anywhere, They're

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Speaker 3: gonna win.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be going to be a solid playoff team

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Speaker 1: battling for unless you have Brandon Staley's coach. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you can't overcome does that. Matt Stafford couldn't overcome

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Speaker 1: the Lions, Yeah,