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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bar.

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Speaker 2: From Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by

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Speaker 2: our bar. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bar. Guys

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Speaker 2: that break out early as freshman and sophomores in college

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Speaker 2: tend to be really good NFL player.

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Speaker 1: So you're telling me the better players in college end

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Speaker 1: up being better players. Proest got the nerds have figured

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Speaker 1: out the guys that it took them till twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four to figure this out. Natulation, Yes the better just

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Speaker 1: stop them?

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Speaker 2: Yes in a nutshell right there?

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Speaker 1: Pretty much?

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Speaker 2: Can you just stop? Please? Juels? You like the intro?

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Speaker 2: You like the intro? Yes, she likes that she was

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Speaker 2: bopping in there to it. I told this is Jules,

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Speaker 2: new faith. And I told her when she got hired that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Patriots used to have another Jewels, and

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Speaker 2: now Evan Lazar Alex Bars.

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Speaker 1: She's gonna call everybody bub maybe.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she's gonna you know, catch game winning touchdowns and

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Speaker 2: Super Bowls too. And yeah, anyways, Evan Lazar, Alex bar

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Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two next couple of hours and Alex

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Speaker 2: big news on the pod today and that is that

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Speaker 2: The show is is sponsored. And you know, lately, Alex,

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Speaker 2: I I've had a kick of bud Light Seltz's yet

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Speaker 2: you try, but any bud Lights have had, well, it's

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Speaker 2: easy to drink, it's easy to enjoy. Bud Light the

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Speaker 2: official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. And yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm dead serious about that though. It's been been my

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Speaker 2: new thing lately. But like Selters, So anyways, we're almost summer.

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Speaker 2: You always make fun of me for drinking the Seltzers

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Speaker 2: Now it's freezing, all right. So I'm excited about today's

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Speaker 2: Is there anything more overrated in the NFL than free agency?

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Speaker 2: And I know that people are gonna think I'm carrying

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Speaker 2: it's really going to move the needle. This is not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my thoughts on free agency, I think

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Speaker 2: That's its own thing. But that's your that's your side

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they need to fix their draft, but it's the

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Speaker 2: maybe it's just because the Patriots typically don't participate in

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Speaker 1: I couldn't there was no interest for me in it,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they will. They will also have private workouts

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Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, well unless they think that maybe

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Speaker 1: You know whom I think of. They met with some

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Speaker 1: Showed they did totally wan they haven't that way.

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Speaker 1: But it's like there's definitely less contact between Pennix and

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Speaker 2: know things like that. That that's what worries me a

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Speaker 2: That's doing yourself a disservice. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell was really good last year in that category.

434
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: So it's similar body types, similar route trees, similar ways

435
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,239
Speaker 2: that they win. But Mitchell's maybe just a little bit

436
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 2: of a better prospect.

437
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Rice is you know we've talked about

438
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: all right, so you're gonna go quarterback at the top

439
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: of the draft, and then what order do you go

440
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: tackle receiver with the next two picks? If the thirty

441
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: fourth pick is dedicated to a tackle, he's I think

442
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: as good as they're gonna get on Day three in

443
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 1: terms of what they need. I think he's gonna be

444
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: one of their top options at receiver on the board

445
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: at sixty eight if that's the way they go, and

446
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: you kind of said it, he gives them that sort

447
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: of prototypical X wide receiver. Maybe not as explosive as

448
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 1: a guy like Adie Mitchell, but he does look like

449
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: he'll be, you know, solid NFL wide receiver. I don't

450
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: think he has that ceiling. I don't think you're guaranteed

451
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: to get a number one. But if you draft him

452
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: and he's a capable X, then next year you go

453
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: back out and you try to get like a dynamic

454
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: Z receiver or something like that, and you go from there.

455
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he would fit and would definitely not take

456
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: a haul to trade up to grab him like a

457
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: Mitchell or a Brian Thomas junior or something like that.

458
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 2: The one thing I would say about him though, that

459
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: on film I texted you about this, he has this

460
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: weird He gets off the line of scrimmage fine, and

461
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 2: I think he avoids press coverage all right, but he

462
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: just doesn't have a great acceleration to get himself rolling.

463
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: Once he's rolling, he's got a pretty good build up speed,

464
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: but he has this almost like hitching his step where

465
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 2: he just hasn't doesn't have that ability to really pull

466
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: away from the dB. So he should be getting vertical

467
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: stack separation, whatever you want to call it. He should

468
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: be able to stack these guys more often than he

469
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 2: is on film, And I wonder if that is Is

470
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 2: it that he just doesn't have the acceleration, doesn't have

471
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: the burst to do it, or is it something that

472
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: he's doing with his footwork and with his technique that

473
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: can be coached, that can be fixed, because it's so weird.

474
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: He'll get the dB on his heels, He'll get off

475
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage just fine, and then he goes

476
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: to put on the jets to run by the guy

477
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 2: and it's just like a like go, you know, like

478
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: you just want to yell at the screen and just

479
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: be like come on, man, like a go.

480
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: He he plays like a big receiver, yeah, and he

481
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: takes a lot to get that that momentum rolling for

482
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: him uprightfield and he I mean, he look, he is

483
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: a big receiver, but it's it feels like he's maybe

484
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: more athletic than it lets on And maybe that's a

485
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 1: coaching thing, who knows, But yeah, he just doesn't have

486
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: that top gear that some of these other ex receivers do.

487
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, all right. So Alonzo Heismith

488
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: was at Alabama, right, so you know you do have

489
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: Jermaine Burton there receiver prospect that I think is gonna

490
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: be a Day two guy. Obviously, Dallas Turner's there, you

491
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: know some of Terry On, Arnold kool Aid worked out

492
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: mckintree corners, you know, defensive guys, typical Alabama stuff. But

493
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: there was.

494
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: One way I would say, what's interesting about Alabama this

495
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: year is and you just kind of alluded to it.

496
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: And the reason I think we're not talking about them

497
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: as much as we usually do. I don't think it's

498
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: a like Bills not hear things save it's not their thing.

499
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: It's all defensive players.

500
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

501
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: Of their twelve players who are projected to be drafted,

502
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: nine play defense. Then one's a kicker. So that just

503
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: leaves you with or No, there's Latham, it's one less.

504
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: It's Latham, Burton and McClellan, who's their backup running back. Yeah,

505
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: and that's it.

506
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: That's it.

507
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: So not the same offensive talent. And you know McClellan's

508
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: a Day three pick. Burton's right on that line. The

509
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: only lock top one hundred pick is Latham, who I

510
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: just said, with the receiver, you can apply it to tackle.

511
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: With the Patriots trade up from thirty four, and one

512
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: of these tackles is going to fall into the mid twenties,

513
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: but it's just the needs don't necessarily match up with

514
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots are looking for this year.

515
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting Latham's an interesting one because his

516
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: play strength is undeniable. He's an extremely physical guy. He

517
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: can move people in the run game easily, really dense

518
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, combo blocks, get up to the second level,

519
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: all these types of things. But I think the one

520
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: thing that's interesting about him is he has some heavy

521
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: footedness and pass pro and he has some issues with

522
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: redirect skill and pass pro. That fits some of these

523
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: other guys that have flamed out that have been early

524
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: round picks, and that sort of mold like he's a

525
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: better player than Alex Leatherwood was, but it's not totally

526
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: different than a guy like Alex at Leatherwood. The big

527
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: one is always DJ Flucker, who was just this massive,

528
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: you know, jacked guy coming out of college that had

529
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: great play strength and had all these flashy run blocks

530
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: on film, but then he got to the pros and

531
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: he struggled on an island in pass protection. So I

532
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: think there are some concerns with that with j C.

533
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: Latham that could push him down the board a little

534
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: bit the other guy. And I don't know when George's

535
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: pro day is, but I'm sure they'll have somebody there.

536
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: If not, that's uh soon is a Marius Mims. I'm

537
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: so I'm really interested to see where Mims goes in

538
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: this draft because of his lack of tape and his injury.

539
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: His Oh Georgies was last week? Was it?

540
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: Really?

541
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: Why are we not talking March thirteenth?

542
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Why didn't nobody talk.

543
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: About that, like the second day free agency?

544
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also Georgia's this year. I mean they don't

545
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: have they got the dogs that they normally have.

546
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: No some of the prodace this year. I don't want

547
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: to say duds, but like Georgia doesn't have the class

548
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: coming out it usually does. Ohio States is like not,

549
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: especially with Marv working out. Yeah, I wonder if they

550
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: had Marv not workout because they didn't want the leak

551
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: to come and see the lack of NFL talent they

552
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: have this year overall. Yeah, it's not because he had

553
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, like all their guys went back

554
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: to school.

555
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a good point. I forgot almost to

556
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: mention that, but yeah, I wonder those are the two

557
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: guys I wonder with in the first round that are

558
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: projected first round tackles. Yeah, are Mims only eight hundred

559
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 2: career snaps, only seven career starts, had the tightrope surgery

560
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: last year on his ankle, just a lack of that's

561
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: a big, big lottery ticket to cash in the first round.

562
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: If you're a team that's maybe picking the twenties, it's

563
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: already a playoff team that has the ability to do that,

564
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: that's one thing. But if you're a team that is

565
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: trying to rebuild and is trying to get their program

566
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: up and running like the Patriots are, obviously he's not

567
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: a third overall pick type of guy. But you understand

568
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: what I'm getting a.

569
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: Well, do you buy that you get more flexibility if

570
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: you're making a second first round pick.

571
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: Probably. I just look at a guy like Mims that

572
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: historically speaking, that's a guy that usually falls out of

573
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: the first round, that is an early second round pick.

574
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: That's one of these guys that we always say every

575
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: year first round talent, but has some question marks about

576
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: his durability and has a lack of playing time in college,

577
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: So you know, he's the thirty fourth overall pick instead

578
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: of the twenty fourth overall pick, which is probably where

579
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: his talent lies. So those two guys will be interesting.

580
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: You just mentioned it too before we wrap up this

581
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: pro day jaunt. Yep, Marvin Harrison Junior not doing it

582
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: anything not, I don't care, no combine, no pro day told. Apparently,

583
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: according to Breer, he he asked teams that are in

584
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: the range to pick him. You know, Cardinals, like those

585
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: types of teams. Do you need to see anything from

586
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: me at my pro day? Do you care if I

587
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: skip the pro Day? And they all said, we don't care.

588
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: If we're going to trust the tape where we know

589
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: who you are. I think a big reason why he

590
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: wants to do this is he wants to get ready

591
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: for his first year in the NFL. He's football training.

592
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: He's not training to run forty yard dashes and vertical

593
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: jumps and things like that. He's working on football stuff

594
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: to get ready for his rookie season. I love that. Now,

595
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: you can't do that for every prospect, like if you're

596
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: not of that.

597
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: Kill, there's a handful of guys that have the flexibility

598
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: to do Yeah.

599
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: But I love the fact that he's more worried about

600
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: performing as a rookie than he is running a fast

601
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: four yard dash. I think that this is the opposite.

602
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are it's all he

603
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: doesn't want to compete, or what's he hiding all these

604
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: types of things. I think that he is trying to

605
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: set a different trend of I'm a top five pick,

606
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm probably the best overall player in this draft besides

607
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: maybe Caleb, and I'm gonna get ready for my rookie

608
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: season because I want to win Rookie of the Year.

609
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: Isn't that what you would rather than I have him

610
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: waste his time, you know, preparing to run routes against

611
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: air or you know, going out and running a forty

612
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: year or whatever. So I am with you totally. I

613
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: don't care. I'm still not I don't really want the

614
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: Patriots to draft Marvin Harrison Junior. I know that that's

615
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: one take I think both of us have that people hate.

616
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: But the main thing is is that I don't care

617
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: if they end up picking him that he didn't run

618
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: a forty like. I think we know Marvin Harrison Junior

619
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: what he's all about based off the Yeah.

620
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't, it'd be one thing, like if he

621
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: didn't weigh in, and I know I say that as

622
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: a Jane Daniels guy, And if he doesn't weigh into

623
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: his pro day, I'm gonna cut penoid. Yeah, but he

624
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: did the basic physical testing. Like you said, he asked

625
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: the teams if they wanted to see anything. He doesn't

626
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: need to. And we've heard guys all the time when

627
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: when we do the end of year interviews with rookies,

628
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: it's like, what are you looking forward to in your

629
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: first NFL off season? They almost all say some form

630
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: of I spent all last off season training for the

631
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: Combine and then having to learn this playbook and you know,

632
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: moving and finding a place to live and you know,

633
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: get all that, and they're like, I just wanted to

634
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: be able to focus on football. Marvin Harrison's gonna have

635
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: to be able to do have to do some of that,

636
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: like he's gonna have to find a place to live

637
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: and all that. But yeah, he's actually Combine training and

638
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: football training are two very different things. So the fact

639
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: he's actually gonna be able to focus on football, I

640
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: think is big.

641
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to some of these phones. We

642
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: don't have names on the phones today, So I'm just

643
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: gonna say, hello, how you doing? You're on the air. Hello,

644
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Oh Michael, you're there, Michael, Michael going once? All right,

645
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 2: I'll put you on hold. Maybe you're just you're just

646
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: hanging out, all right? Uh TC is aadline three two

647
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: CC in New Hampshire. What's up? Hello? Hello?

648
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: Hey?

649
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: Hello?

650
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Speaker 2: CC? You're there. Yeah, you're on the air.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Hello, Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Just I wanted to ask about how many receivers you

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Speaker 5: think we were taking.

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Speaker 4: This year's draft?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Is that your only question?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, thanks for the call. How many receivers do

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Speaker 2: you think they'll take in this draft? I I I

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Speaker 2: was all for the double dip at first, but now

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Speaker 2: that they've added they brought Borne back, they added Osborne,

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Speaker 2: who we haven't talked about. That we can talk about.

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Speaker 2: And it does kind of seem like they're going to

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Speaker 2: have to maybe keep Juju for the year. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: what are they going to do with Juju for twelve

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Speaker 2: million dollars? I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: They have all that money.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it. It's a lot of dead cap.

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Speaker 2: The Maybe it's possible I'm not ruling anything out. Last

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Speaker 2: year they traded Johnny Smith, who I was blown away

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Speaker 2: that somebody took him off their hands. But in general, Osbourne, Bourne,

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Speaker 2: Pop Douglas.

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Speaker 1: You know, kJ Osborne's first name is Kendrick.

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Speaker 2: Kendrick Osborne, Kendrick Bourne, Tomaro Douglas, Kendrick Junior. They could

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Speaker 2: technically take two and make it five that way, but

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Speaker 2: you have Juju, you have Rager, you have Taekwon Thornton.

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Speaker 2: I think they have nine receivers right now on the roster.

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Speaker 2: T J Luther Yea is technically on the ross.

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Speaker 1: They look they're only gonna take one high because that's

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Speaker 1: the only they don't have the snaps to take too high. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's the way I feel they might take like Ka

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Speaker 1: Trey Nixon kind of guy outside of the top two

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Speaker 1: hundred and Yeah, you bring him in a camp and

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Speaker 1: you see and maybe he ends up on the practice squad,

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Speaker 1: maybe he hands up on the back end of the roster.

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Speaker 1: But I only think one legitimate, like a year one prospect.

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Speaker 1: It's Kawan Baker Kashawn Booty to Mario Douglas, t J Luther,

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Speaker 1: kJ Osborne, Jalen Rager, Juju Smith, Schuster and Taekwon Thornton.

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Speaker 1: So it's eight receivers, oh, no, nine, and then Kendrick Bourne,

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Speaker 1: Kawan Baker, Kawan Baker, that's right, did not know you

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Speaker 1: forget about Kwan Baker and then Trey Nixon still freeger.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's nine.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we'll see what happens with Kaishan Booty, right, But

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Speaker 1: that's just Look, they need the.

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Speaker 2: Kaishan Boody people are back. I've seen that they're out.

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Speaker 1: You need a lot of You need a lot of

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Speaker 1: receivers to get through the spring. Remember last year, like

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Speaker 1: they didn't have enough receivers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah in well committee camp, Yeah they had, Kendrick was

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Speaker 2: coming back from something.

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Speaker 1: Everybody was banged up. There's one day that like Juju

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Speaker 1: Parker born in Thornton, all in practice and who they

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Speaker 1: have to like move some guy to receiver. Remember they

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Speaker 1: signed ed Lee. Yeah, I don't think they want that

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Speaker 1: to happen again. So, yeah, they could draft too, they

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Speaker 1: could even draft three, but I don't think you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see more than one in the top one fifty and

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Speaker 1: maybe you're not getting beyond two in the top two hundred,

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Speaker 1: even if second the top two hundred to me is

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Speaker 1: a lot. But two thirty one Bud means, hello.

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Speaker 2: We'll get the butt. We'll get the Bud means something.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch him? No, you were watching receivers all leak.

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Speaker 2: I watched a bunch of receivers and I watched a

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Speaker 2: bunch of tackles trying to get those done. I have,

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Speaker 2: but you're not done. I have two and a half

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Speaker 2: receivers to go. Bud means gets half.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean he gets half? Javon Bass, If anything,

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Speaker 1: he should get more time because you gottatch them at

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Speaker 1: Louisian Attack. And no, no you do, because Pitt's offense

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Speaker 1: was don't you gottatch them atle We did the same

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Speaker 1: thing with Addison. Remember you watched Jordan Addison. He didn't

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Speaker 1: get it. I said watch him at Pitt and it

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Speaker 1: completely changed the evaluation a little bit. Watch you do

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Speaker 1: remember that you gotta watch a couple of games. Above

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Speaker 1: means at Louisiana Attack. I would say watch him as

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Speaker 1: a corner at Tennessee, because he's a corner at Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: But that's I understand, that's a bit.

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Speaker 2: I'm only gonna watch Bud means at Louisian attack. If

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Speaker 2: they draft him, I'm telling you that right now.

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Speaker 1: But then you're not gonna know what kind of player

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Speaker 1: he is. What do you do your job, Evan.

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Speaker 2: I can watch him on film at Pittsburgh and.

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Speaker 1: Ah, you don't know what Pitt's offense was.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. And you want me to do you

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Speaker 2: want me to put your putting me through this that

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Speaker 2: you want me to do this? You want to waste

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Speaker 2: my time.

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Speaker 1: I want you to do your job. Learn the player.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy they very well might draft or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is he's going to be. He might be on

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Speaker 1: the team. Look, he checks all the boxes in terms

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Speaker 1: of height, wait, athletic testing at the combine. He's right

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Speaker 1: in that range of the Packers Elliott Wolf kind of receiver.

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Speaker 1: His college positional coach is now on the Patriots staff.

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Speaker 2: The fact that this is what we're doing, we're doing

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Speaker 2: Bud means bub bub bub bud bub bub bub means yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots might draft this guy. You don't only cover

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Speaker 1: the team, you work for the team. You should know

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Speaker 1: a thing or two about him, That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Bub means bub means b b b bud Means. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying he's a Savior. I'm saying there's a real

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Speaker 1: chance Patriots draft This guy checks a lot of boxes.

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Speaker 1: You should be aware of them. Okay, you might like him.

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Speaker 1: I told you two years ago to watch Savior Worthy.

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Speaker 1: Listen to me, and.

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Speaker 2: Then here we go. Yeah you discovered Xavior Worthy.

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Speaker 1: No I didn't.

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Speaker 2: He was a five star prospect, first first round earlier

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Speaker 2: on but Barth, you discovered him. That was you.

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Speaker 1: No I didn't. I'm just saying you could have figured

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Speaker 1: him out a lot early. You could have saved yourself

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Speaker 1: some time. You could have already had bub Means watched

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Speaker 1: by now.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. So Javon Baker is still on my list.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to could track down some u c F

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Speaker 2: u c F tape. Malik Washington is still on my list.

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Speaker 2: Not really a guy that I think they'll draft, just

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Speaker 2: because he's a lot like Pop Douglas. But he's still

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Speaker 2: a guy that I think could sneak into the top

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Speaker 2: one hundred. Had a great, great pre draft process, great

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Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl, great four, great combine. Yeah, one of those

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Speaker 2: types of guys. And then we uh then on tackle

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Speaker 2: side of things, still I still try to find film

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Speaker 2: on the Yale kid is like, you know, trying to

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Speaker 2: find a needle in a haystack.

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Speaker 1: Well you're looking for UCF film. Don't forget another guy.

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Speaker 1: Combine checked a bunch of the like Elliot Wolf Packers boxes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tyland Grabil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Tyland grabils on my tackle list. Okay, but

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Speaker 2: I've watched base everybody through Bretton Rice, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: the sure top one hundred guys at receiver. And I've

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Speaker 2: watched everybody through you know, the Javon Foster's Roger Rosendarta.

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Speaker 2: So with the tackles, and I know we were talking

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Speaker 2: about receivers, but I did want to do some recency bias.

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Speaker 2: So let's clear clear the phone lines first and then

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Speaker 2: we'll do that. Okay, We're gonna go to line three here,

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Speaker 2: and it's Kenny from North Carolina. What's up, Kenny?

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Speaker 7: Hey guys, Hey.

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Speaker 2: How's it going?

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Speaker 6: This is actually a DC from New Hampshire. I think

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Speaker 6: the lines got crossed a little.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: We'll still take your car.

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Speaker 4: Awesome.

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Speaker 6: All right, So first off, congrats on the ad and

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Speaker 6: think I have a quick I have a quick point

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Speaker 6: and a quick question, just to get this off my chest.

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Speaker 6: I'm just getting so annoyed by the people who say

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Speaker 6: we shouldn't draft a qvs. Three because we don't have

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Speaker 6: the roster. I just I think it's such an annoying point.

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Speaker 6: You don't miss on a guy like Daniels or may

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Speaker 6: can the ball off forty times a game or sit him.

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Speaker 6: I don't think you missed out of a guy like

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Speaker 6: that because the roster is quote unquote not ready. But anyways,

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Speaker 6: my question is, uh, it's kind of a pie in

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Speaker 6: the sky. I'm just throwing a completely baseless trade scenario

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Speaker 6: out there, but I'm not hearing DK metcalf as a

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Speaker 6: trade target. I think the Pats should be calling up Seattle,

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Speaker 6: and I'm wondering if that name makes sense to throw

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Speaker 6: into the wide receiver trade combo with like Higgins and Hayuk.

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Speaker 6: All Right, thanks guys, love the.

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Speaker 2: Show, Thank you, thanks for the call. I look, we

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Speaker 2: all love DK Metcalfe here, I mean, I love dkcalf

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Speaker 2: I I thought that the league so just I don't

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Speaker 2: even know what the word is. They overreacted.

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Speaker 1: They overthought he's your he's your Dwan Jones.

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Speaker 2: They overreacted to DK Metcalf where they were like, you

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Speaker 2: know the the three code, this that the other. No,

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Speaker 2: there's only so many guys they thought he was too

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Speaker 2: good to be true that are like six ' four,

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Speaker 2: that run of four to three and do it with

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Speaker 2: actual football translation, right, DK Metcalf was one of my

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Speaker 2: favorites in that draft. He is my wide receiver one

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Speaker 2: all day, every day. So I'm a big DK Metcalf

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Speaker 2: fan for that reason. Why is Seattle trading Dk Metcalf?

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Speaker 2: I don't really see that. That's the element of it

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Speaker 2: that I that I'm starting. I'm not really understanding with

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Speaker 2: some of these trade ideas that people throwing out. Not

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Speaker 2: to pick on the caller at all, but DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 2: Brandon Niyuk, justin Jefferson, why are the Vikings, Niners, and

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Speaker 2: Seahawks trading their their star receiver?

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Speaker 1: Can I give you a take You're gonna hate?

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Speaker 2: Probably are we?

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Speaker 1: This isn't a take. This is more so a question

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Speaker 1: like this is a genuine question because I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I believe this, But I'm wondering, are we on

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Speaker 1: the precipice of wide receivers becoming the new running backs?

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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is there's so much

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Speaker 1: wide receiver talent in the league. Yeah, and there's so

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Speaker 1: much coming in. Dude, Teams look at these wide receivers

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Speaker 1: asking for twenty five million dollars a year and say,

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Speaker 1: we'll go get another guy in the draft.

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Speaker 2: How did that work out for the Titans?

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Speaker 1: How to work out for the Vikings?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good example and an encounter.

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Speaker 1: So like, I don't necessarily I don't love I don't

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Speaker 1: love that idea. You know, I think the Vikings are

851
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Speaker 1: idiots for that trade. But you're seeing it now. When's

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Speaker 1: the last time a wide receiver got the contract without

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Speaker 1: any sort of question? And it seems like every time

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Speaker 1: one of these guys is up, he instantly becomes a trade.

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Speaker 1: Even Jefferson, Like I think Jefferson's gonna get the extension.

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Speaker 1: He's a different, you know level, But DK Metcalf, DeVante Smith,

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown, T Higgins like these come up and in

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Speaker 1: terms of I'm not saying wide receivers won't matter, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of how I wanted to set it up to

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Speaker 1: set you off. But jeez, are we at a point

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Speaker 1: where coming up through the seven on set leagues? The

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Speaker 1: way the game's called now in terms of officials that

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Speaker 1: the room these guys are, given the athleticism we're seeing

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00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: at the position, and just the sheer number of players

865
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: coming into the league who can play the position to

866
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: a high level. Is the market water down where teams

867
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: will say, will go draft the guy, Well, there's plenty

868
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: of chances will go draft a guy. We don't need it.

869
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: We'd rather pay because you look at the flip side,

870
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: there's no tackles. There's no tackles. And if you have

871
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: to give twenty five million dollars a year to a

872
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: receiver or twenty five million dollars a year to a

873
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: tackle and you can only keep one, it makes more

874
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: sense to pay the tackle because that guy's going to

875
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: be a lot harder to replace. So I'm not saying

876
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: that means the Patriots can go out and trade for

877
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, but I've kind of because this class is

878
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: so rare in terms of the talent, I've kind of

879
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: found myself wondering. And we've talked about, you know, adding

880
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: a wide receiver for the quarterback to Patriots take, and

881
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: I feel like some people have lost track of in

882
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: terms of the roster not being ready this isn't gonna

883
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: be shouldn't be the roster through twenty twenty seven. They're

884
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: gonna continue adding pieces. I know they didn't do it

885
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: for the last guy. Yeah, but they should continue adding pieces.

886
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: And is there a chance to add a T. Higgins

887
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: type guy in a future year? Is this class and

888
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: next year's class is pretty good too. I don't know

889
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 1: it's this deep, but it looks also like very very good.

890
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: Is the wide receiver talent can become so oversaturated the

891
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: teams just say, hey, well, you know Dk Metcalf twenty seven,

892
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, he needs a new contract. To

893
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: Higgins is older, he needs a new contract. All these guys,

894
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be like, we'll go get a guy

895
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: in the draft. We can do that. There's so many opportunities.

896
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: We don't need to pay them.

897
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: Someone might, but someone's gonna pay Dk Mackett.

898
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: No, and somebody. I'm not saying all thirty two teams

899
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: are gonna stop paying wide receivers. The running back thing

900
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: isn't a perfect comparison, but.

901
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: Right, because the running back thing is nobody wants to

902
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: pay running backs, right, whereas with the receivers, the like

903
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: just to use DK. The Seahawks might look at DK

904
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: Metcalf and and think, your thing, we just our scouting.

905
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: We're just gonna go get the next Dk Metcalf. But

906
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: the Patriots will pay DK Metcalf or you know, team

907
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: out why will pay dec. Someone's going to pay D.

908
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: Will become the haves and have nots. It will become

909
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: you have a team like the Patriots that needs a tackle,

910
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: that can't afford to use that pick on a receiver,

911
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: so they'll go pay somebody because they save the money

912
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: a tackle Riz Seattle, their whole roster is kind of together.

913
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to start paying guys at the next level.

914
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: I look at the I just look at DK.

915
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

916
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: It's kind of I thought, I know what you're saying,

917
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: and I I I do think that you know one

918
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: point that I first of all, I think that's team

919
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: players like DK Metcalf and Brandon Ayuk to me, are

920
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: number one receiver is like you run your offense through

921
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: this guy like that. They're that that level of player.

922
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: And I don't think that. You know, the Niners have McCaffrey,

923
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: so I guess maybe they have a they're more in

924
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: the Bengals category. But the Bengal T Higgins is the

925
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: Bengals number two receiver. So paying your number one receiver,

926
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase thirty million dollars a year, paying your quarterback

927
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow sixty or whatever the heck it is that

928
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: they're paying him, and then paying T Higgins thirty million

929
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 2: dollars a year doesn't make sense for the Bengals because

930
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: they already had He's number two, then, right, DK Metcal's

931
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: number one in Seattle. Tyler Locket's getting older. He's also

932
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: not as good of a player anymore. Dk Metcalf is

933
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: their number one receiver. I would say Brandon Nyuk as

934
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: we get into this next, you know, a couple of

935
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 2: years for the Niners. He's only twenty five, twenty six

936
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 2: years old. Deebo starting to slow down a little bit,

937
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: George Kittle's starting to slow down a little bit. McCaffrey's

938
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: are running back. So those three guys, eventually this is

939
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: gonna be Brandon Nyuk's offense in San Francisco. So I

940
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: look at those two guys a little bit differently, and

941
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: I obviously look at Justin Jefferson differently. He's that he's

942
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: the guy Justine Jefferson thing. Right. So if you're like

943
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: Derek Kick, that's why I feel like the Bengals trading

944
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: T Higgins. You can see that because they already have

945
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: He's already the number two receiver there. So to your

946
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: that's where I feel like the draft comes into play,

947
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: to your point, yeah, where the Bengals can easily go

948
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: out and draft key On Coleman, or easily go out

949
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: and draft as somebody else on Day two that fits

950
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: the same mold as T Higgins and they will just

951
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: continue the beat will go on in Cincinnati.

952
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 6: Right.

953
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: That that I totally agree with. But if you're taking

954
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: a Brandon Aiyuk, if you're taking a DK Metcalf out

955
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: of those offenses, you are expecting that draft pick to

956
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: be an all Pro caliber receiver, a guy, a dude, right,

957
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: And I think that that's asking a lot out of

958
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: the draft, as good as the receivers are. The one

959
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: thing I will say that I do definitely agree with

960
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: you though, the seven on seven influences is really big.

961
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: It's really big. These these players from basically the fifth

962
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: or sixth grade on are becoming such natural pass catchers,

963
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: not just receivers in terms of routes and things like that,

964
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: but the way that they catch the ball because of

965
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 2: how much they're doing it in these seven on seven

966
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: Back in the day. You know when you play Pop Warner, right,

967
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: you play Pop Warner. Back in the day, when we

968
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: were playing Pop Warner, they it was all we just

969
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: ran the ball.

970
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Well, we also well to play Pop Warner in massachus But.

971
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: The point is is that nowadays, even at the high

972
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: school level, when you put the pads on, these teams

973
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: are running air raids, they're running spread systems, they're throwing them.

974
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: Because beyond the pads, the idea is you learn essentially

975
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: how to play the position without constantly getting jammed, without

976
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: constantly getting your teeth knocked out, going over the middle,

977
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: things like that. You just get used to running free.

978
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: And at the next level you basically just have to

979
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: learn how to move through contact. And as that contact

980
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: becomes less and less, it translates all the more.

981
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: So.

982
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: I just how many receivers there's a difference between really

983
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: good and irreplaceable. How many receivers in the league are

984
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: truly irreplaceable for their teams, Because I think that number

985
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: has shrunk significantly in the last few years, and I

986
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: think it's going to continue to shrink.

987
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 2: Well, I think that this is so Justin Jeffers irreplaceable

988
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: in Minnesota.

989
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, Yes, justin Jeffrish. You're not going to go

990
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: out and replace Justin Jeffers.

991
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: We both agree with that. San Francisco, I could see

992
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: Kyle being I could see Kyle's ego being like, I

993
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: can make anybody. Brandon, I you.

994
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Because like I'm saying, yeah, but do you look at

995
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: it and sit to your point? And I would not

996
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: do this if I'm them, But I'm saying, this is

997
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: what teams might start doing, is all right, Yeah, Debo, McCaffrey, Kittle.

998
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: They're getting older, but they're not old ya. So this

999
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: is a perfect chance to transition, to give ourselves some flexibility.

1000
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: Let's draft the next guy now, and then as he

1001
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: comes up and gets ready, as he replaces Ayuk, we

1002
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: still have those guys, and then as those guys age out,

1003
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: this guy becomes the guy whoever it is that we draft.

1004
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would I would argue Brandon and A

1005
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: Yuk is not irreplaceable for San Francisco. That doesn't mean

1006
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: he's a great player. That doesn't mean it would automatically work,

1007
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: But I just think the idea of moving on to

1008
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: the next receiver rather than forcing yourself to pay the

1009
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: guy is going to become more and more attractive as

1010
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: the receiver talent just it becomes oversaturated.

1011
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: And especially for offensive coaches like Kyle Shanahan, who are

1012
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: going to think, who are just my system is really

1013
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: what's righting the show?

1014
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: If he's doing it a quarterback, he'll do it.

1015
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know, Shanahan's one of those

1016
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: types of guys. I think, to an extent, you know,

1017
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: some of these you know, Andy Reid and Andy Reid

1018
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: disciple coaches you know, are going to be those types

1019
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: of guys. And I also think that you know a

1020
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: guy like you know, maybe like a McVeigh. You know McVeigh.

1021
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: Their two receivers are Cooper Cup and uh and Puka,

1022
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: who are both I think Cup was what a third

1023
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: round pick and Puka was was Day three like a

1024
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: fifth round pick. So it's not like they went out

1025
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: and made these big splashes to get those guys either.

1026
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm with you that there's gonna be certain

1027
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: teams that are gonna trust their system they're gonna trust

1028
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: their scouting and they're gonna trust that they can go

1029
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: and get these guys at any point in the draft.

1030
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: And it makes me think too about this draft and

1031
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: how loaded it is at receiver. And I mentioned that

1032
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: list that I've watched basically through Brandon Rice at this point,

1033
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 2: which I think is eighteen guys that are for most people,

1034
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: surefire top one hundred players, right, eighteen guys for thirty

1035
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: two teams. I guess is that every single team in

1036
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: this draft is going to try to jump in on

1037
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: that receiver carousel. It's just there's so many good receivers

1038
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: that you can just put. Even if you have guys,

1039
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: you just put them on your roster for now, right,

1040
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: and you figure it out later of really quickly. Side note,

1041
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: did you see your your guy Bubba Watson at the

1042
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: Masters and his awful dinner menu for the Master's dinner?

1043
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: This is your thing, John Ram. You should know this.

1044
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: I was just talking about John Ram. Are you talking

1045
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: about the No, it says Bubba Watson.

1046
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when he won. This isn't this year, oh

1047
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: so so oh sorry, sorry, No, this is a you

1048
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: want to get into those a little bit. Every I

1049
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: saw this last night, and I was like, what, what,

1050
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: like grilled chicken like that? That's what we're gonna feed

1051
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: everybody at this like bougie dinner. Is how it works

1052
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: is whoever wins the Masters right the next year, the

1053
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: like night before the practice rounds start, there's a dinner

1054
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: thrown in the winner's honor and it's only former Masters

1055
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: champions who attend. Oh, so it's like this prestigious thing

1056
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: and the winner gets to pick the menu. And it's

1057
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: always fun to kind of go through the past menus

1058
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: and see what's there. And I mean, Tigers are awesome.

1059
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: Tiger's had some great ones. John Rams from Spain, so

1060
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: his meals all it's very Spanish. Yeah, tapas is everybody's

1061
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: making a big deal. It's the first time they're ever

1062
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: serving tapas at the Masters.

1063
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: Love that.

1064
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Jordan Speets. He just served

1065
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: like straight barbecue from Texas. But it's funny because, like Tiger,

1066
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull him up. Tiger won so many

1067
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: times that his menus just started getting weird because it

1068
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: was just like, let me see what else I can do.

1069
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: So here last time he won Tempora shrimp roll, so

1070
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: sushi appetizer, main course of prime steak or chicken, fijetas,

1071
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: grilled vegetables, ree fried beans, Mexican rice, and then desserts

1072
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: were flanned churros and chocolate ice cream.

1073
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: I do, I had sushi last night. I like.

1074
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: I like sushi. One year he did a Porterhouse steak.

1075
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: One year he did cheeseburger's, chicken sandwiches, French fries, and milkshakes.

1076
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: See, I gotta admit, like, I feel like if I

1077
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: was picking, that would be me. So I would just

1078
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: pick like the kid's buffet at a bar mizvah, you know,

1079
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: like get the chicken fingers out, get the burgers, get

1080
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: the fries, get the modsticks. Like I feel like that's

1081
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: the way to go.

1082
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: Well, that was after he won in ninety seven, so

1083
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: he was still a kid at that point. He was.

1084
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: Everybody really deep down wants that. Like if people are, oh, no,

1085
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: I gotta have the Porterhouse, I gotta have the fancy meal.

1086
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: Deep down you all just want some modsticks and chicken fingers, Like,

1087
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: don't lie to yourself.

1088
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: No, it's Tiger Wood's menus are all Well, he was

1089
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: twenty three when he picked us, but cheeseburger's, chicken sandwiches,

1090
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: French fries, and milkshakes. The next time when he won,

1091
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: it was Porterhouse steak and chicken with sushi as an appetizer.

1092
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: And then the next year.

1093
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: Because he went back to that's a weird combination.

1094
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: The next year when he went back to back, he

1095
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: did the same thing, but he added mashed potatoes and

1096
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: chocolate cake.

1097
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: Okay, well, look, if you win that much shot, you

1098
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: get to pick.

1099
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: We'll do this offt the air. I'll send you the

1100
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: list of the mass.

1101
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: And so why is the Bubba Watson one making the rounds?

1102
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: Just because it was awful?

1103
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: Because it was just yeah, people just kind of made

1104
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: fun of him. It was very boring. It was a

1105
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: Caesar salad and grilled chicken. It was like, I can

1106
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: make that at home, Like you'd think you'd want something. Guys,

1107
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: would you like this really intense seafood or you know

1108
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: the international guys always do something from their homeland, Yeah,

1109
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: from their country, except Phil Mickelson too, always does very boring.

1110
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: Is just some sort of barbecue whatever.

1111
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: All right, Well, before we segue into too recency bias.

1112
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you the list. I want to hold

1113
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: breakdown to the Master's Master's menus from you.

1114
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Alex said, A week from Sunday is

1115
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: a day that neither one of us know what it is,

1116
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: but we're hopping toward it, and it is Easter Sunday, and

1117
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: there's no time like the President to get party ready

1118
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: with Bob's Discount Furniture shop tens of on trend dining

1119
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: sets with plenty of style and storage for all your

1120
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: brunching needs. And while you're here, complete the look with

1121
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: seasonal accents and outdoor styles made for warm weather hosting

1122
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: only Bob's Discount Furniture Only At Bob's Discount Furniture, the

1123
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: official furniture store of the New England Patriots. We have

1124
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: a Bob's Discount Furniture couch.

1125
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: I got some Bob's Disco.

1126
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: Like it's got. It's one of those that reclines, you know,

1127
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: oh ye in there? Yeah? Really cool. All right, anyways,

1128
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: let's take the rest of these calls. Let's clear the

1129
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: board here. We're gonna go to line one. Do we

1130
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: know who Line one is? Is this Cameron from North Carolina?

1131
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: Line one? Hello? Hello, looks like we're having an issue

1132
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 2: maybe with the line one, line two. Let's see, let's

1133
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: get you on the air. How are you doing line two? Colleen?

1134
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: You there? Hello, Hey, hey Colleen.

1135
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: Okay, awesome. My question is about tackles. So obviously Joel

1136
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 3: and Oulu are left tackles, but we're probably going to

1137
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: get a quarterback. But we really need a left tackle

1138
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: more so than a right tackle, even though I know

1139
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 3: you guys want on one who go back to guard. Anyway,

1140
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: most of the next tackle on the board are right tackles,

1141
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: and so I'm wondering if any of them have the

1142
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 3: potential to switch to left or we're basically just we

1143
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: meet Kingsley too tie or or we don't get left tackles.

1144
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you.

1145
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: Great question, Colleen, because that's a perfect transition into recency

1146
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: bias as well.

1147
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: So don't let me in with Evan though, wanting on

1148
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: Winno to play guard.

1149
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get to that in a second. You're I'm

1150
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: not opposed to it. I just you're kidding.

1151
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: I don't need it, No, I don't need I'm here.

1152
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: Here's my thing with the one who's playing tackle eleven. Okay,

1153
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: he has spent his first four years essentially is a

1154
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: positional nomad yep. In three year. His first four seasons,

1155
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: he's played multiple spots. In his first two seasons, he

1156
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: played four spots. He played left guard, right guard, right tackle,

1157
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: and he played that six offensive line role.

1158
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

1159
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: He's not really been able to train at any specific position,

1160
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: and he's trying to start him as a guard.

1161
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: He was supposed to be training at guard.

1162
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 6: Well.

1163
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: But so here's my thing. I don't think he's that

1164
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: bad of a tackle. He's not a bad right the

1165
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: drop off is not I don't think the drop off

1166
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: is that he's a better guard than tackle. But I

1167
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: don't think the gap is that wide. And if you

1168
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: actually give him an off season to train as a tackle,

1169
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: lose a little bit of weight, work on his footwork,

1170
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: he might be able to close the gap. So that's

1171
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: my thing about playing him a tackle. If they were

1172
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: to play mcguard all summer, essentially what they did last year,

1173
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: play mcguard. Oh you didn't practice all summer last summer,

1174
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: but but yeah, you know what I'm saying, Keep him

1175
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: mcguard all off season and then in like week three,

1176
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: be like, crap, this isn't working. You gotta kick outside.

1177
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: Then yeah, at that point, stop screwing with the guy's development.

1178
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Leave mcguard. I've said this for three years with him.

1179
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: Pick a position and leave him there, don't keep moving

1180
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: him around. So here's my if you let him develop

1181
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: a tackle, you might be surprised that he actually gets

1182
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: better at tackle. Oh what a concept.

1183
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: No Hill, I have no doubt in my mind that

1184
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: mike on Wenthu is a serviceable tackle right now and

1185
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: could get it into an even better echelon of tackle

1186
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 2: down the road. My concerns with it are a couple things. One,

1187
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: it feels so much like the past couple of years

1188
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: with Belichick, where we're playing guys at a position, and

1189
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 2: why are we playing guys at a position. We're playing

1190
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: guys at a position out of team necessity because we're

1191
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: not plugging holes. We're doing it because we have to.

1192
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: And I also feel like it's another element of it

1193
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: is like positional value. So we just paid this guy

1194
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: nineteen million dollars a year. It makes more sense to

1195
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: be paying a tackle nineteen million dollars a year than

1196
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: he does paying a guard for nineteen million dollars a year.

1197
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 2: And the fact that you don't have a better right

1198
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: tackle on your roster and the fact that he's getting

1199
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: paid like that and that projects better at tackle. From

1200
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: a cap standpoint, those are all the wrong reasons to

1201
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: play him at tackle. The reason the right reason to

1202
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: play at tackle is that you feel like he's a

1203
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: really good tackle, which maybe they do. Maybe they do.

1204
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: If you think he can become a really good tackle.

1205
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: He checks a lot of more. He checks a lot

1206
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: more tackle boxes than you would dick right, main one

1207
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: being he actually does have pretty long arms, Like he

1208
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: checks the armle like measurable. I think he's got thirty

1209
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: four inchar and I'll find it. So he does check

1210
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 2: that box pretty he clears it pretty well. So it's

1211
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: not that he doesn't have the length. It's not that

1212
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the ability to to do these types

1213
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: of things. I just my fear is is we did this,

1214
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: we have to be.

1215
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: Thirty four and a half inch arms at six foot three.

1216
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's short for a tackle, but he's got

1217
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: the length for to play this position.

1218
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say short, he's not tall, No, he's short.

1219
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: Six to three is short?

1220
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Is that all right?

1221
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? For tackles say shorter. I wouldn't say short. It's short, Okay,

1222
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: Like tackles. It's you'd be surprised, like you like the

1223
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: median is like six five sixty six.

1224
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: I generally think like six four. Yeah, I just need

1225
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: to adjust my thing.

1226
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: A lot of tall tackles, I guess I never really

1227
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: thought much about tackle height because it's not it's really

1228
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: not important. But the problem is is that we would

1229
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: kill Bill for this that, or a playing guys at

1230
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: a position or you guys are moving around like all

1231
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: this type of stuff. This is what we're doing again,

1232
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: those are two different things. Playing guys at a position.

1233
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: How often do we talk about that with Bill in

1234
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: the last couple of years.

1235
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: Playing a guy at a position and moving a guy

1236
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: around or two different things. I don't necessarily think one

1237
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: who's out of position at right tackle.

1238
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: I think he is.

1239
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: He doesn't look at a position at right tackle.

1240
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: Let me phraeze it that he does at times.

1241
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: If you give him a whole off season to work

1242
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: on it, it's the moving him around.

1243
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: How did he look against Khlail Mack?

1244
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: Give him an awe again, give him an off season

1245
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: to work on it. He showed me enough that if

1246
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: you actually let him develop. You were at camp, excuse me,

1247
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: you were at camp in twenty twenty. I wasn't, but

1248
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: I remember you telling me he didn't play a single

1249
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: snap of tackle that whole camp, right and he'd never

1250
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: played a snap at tackle in college. And they threw

1251
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: him out there a week one as a rookie and

1252
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: he held his own. The next year, they plan on

1253
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: penciling him in at right guard. They move him around

1254
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: the whole season.

1255
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: He played four different spots for this Why because they

1256
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: grade him out well at tackle?

1257
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Maybe he's good to tackle, Evan, Maybe he's just good

1258
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: at tackle. I don't get No, you don't get to

1259
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: start hating the nerds now because it helps your No.

1260
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: I've always no, no, no, no, no, no no. I've always

1261
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: been anti PFF grade with the offensive lineman. You know

1262
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: that owners corners no offensive linemen, and they they are

1263
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: all over the place with their linemen. I think I've

1264
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: talked to enough people that I trust on this in

1265
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: my own eyes, but like also other people that I

1266
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: trust on this, that he has some deficiencies at the

1267
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: tackle spot.

1268
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: He has no deficiency. Realize he's he's perfect, never gotten

1269
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: to wreck there? Really, do you really drink to.

1270
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: You think that on an island at threety pound person

1271
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: is going to be able to mirror and match Ah

1272
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: an elite pass rusher on An Islan who.

1273
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: Says he's going to keep playing it at three hundred

1274
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: and forty pounds.

1275
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so now we're gonna now we're going to sap

1276
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 2: all of his play strength out of the way too.

1277
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: They cool, So now we're going to be a lean

1278
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: Mike who no longer.

1279
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to I'm not saying he's

1280
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: gonna lose pat They're okay, Trent Brown. Trent Brown plays

1281
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: tackle at three seventy Okay.

1282
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: What did we hear about the Browns and Dewan Jones.

1283
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: Dewan Jones, everybody says they can't move Dwan Jones. They

1284
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: there was concerns there about them being able to run

1285
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: outside zone to his side right because he had he

1286
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: didn't have the foo foot speed for it, so they

1287
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: stopped doing it. That's why they changed a lot last year.

1288
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: I have the same fears with Mike gn Wentu that

1289
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: that they're not They're gonna want to be an outside

1290
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: zone team. They've made that very clear. I think that

1291
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: that's a big reason why Antonio Gibson is here is

1292
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: because they need.

1293
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: To backfield drill, drill, drill, footwork with him this offseason. Look,

1294
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's definitely gonna work out. I'm just saying,

1295
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play the guy out there, because I

1296
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: think one way or the other, he was gonna end

1297
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: up playing right tackle in twenty twenty four, because that's

1298
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: seemingly what always happens. He just keeps and I just

1299
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: sat there because Evan, they're trying to play a guy.

1300
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: We would This is something that we fairly criticized Bill

1301
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: for and I'm not gonna change just because now it's criticized.

1302
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: Them last year for not playing on win with Guard.

1303
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm being consistent.

1304
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that we used to criticize Bill for

1305
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: this type of stuff. We used to criticize him for

1306
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: playing guys out of position. We used to criticize him

1307
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: for trying to plug a hole somewhere and creating a

1308
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: whole another place, and that's exactly what they're doing. Are

1309
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: you confident in the combination of Cold Strange City Show,

1310
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: Antonio Maffi, Jake Andrews one of those interior guys hitting

1311
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: because they need two of them.

1312
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: Now have to They have to be like you just

1313
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: am I in. But you use all those top one

1314
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty picks on guards last year when you

1315
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: had other needs to turn around and not play those guys.

1316
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: And I know it's a different We're gonna play them regime.

1317
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: It's just whether or not they're gonna succeed or not

1318
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: is the question. You gotta find that. This is what

1319
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: I would get after Pill for is not playing the kids?

1320
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: Is drafting these guys they played, sitting them for three years,

1321
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: stunting their development.

1322
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: Right, But like they played City and they played cold

1323
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: strange but he can't stay on the field.

1324
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta figure also think nick levert' is a

1325
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: sneaky good signing.

1326
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: Nick Levertt is a sneaky good signing because he might

1327
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: be the Ted Carris of this all I'm saying, yeah,

1328
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: he might have to play.

1329
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: Let me put it. And this is the conversation we

1330
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: always have with Mike and Winnu. I trust that group

1331
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: more than I trust Conor McDermott. The Darien Lowe Okay,

1332
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: but do you trust Highron weekly Chusakora for playing on

1333
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: the left side. I trust him on the right side.

1334
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't trust him on the left side, which seems

1335
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: like it's the plan.

1336
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 2: I would have rathered them play Chucks of Korra for

1337
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: a right tackle for the time being.

1338
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: Still would you still don't have a left tackle.

1339
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,479
Speaker 2: You still don't have a left tackle now. I would

1340
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: rather them have gone right to left, you know, chucks

1341
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: on Wenny. Obviously, David Andrews let Cole Strange and cityso

1342
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: battle it out for left guard. Best man wins, and

1343
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: then you draft the left tackle. I would much rather

1344
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: have done that, and that can still be it. And

1345
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: maybe that's like my priors about Cole Strange. I know

1346
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: some people feel like Cole Striams has played well. I

1347
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: am not one of those people. He played well for

1348
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: a stretch last year and then blew out his knee immediately.

1349
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: He couldn't practice last year in camp because of injuries.

1350
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: He started slow. Because of that, he was not good

1351
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: his rookie year. I don't want to hear that he

1352
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: was good as rookie year. He wasn't good as a rookie.

1353
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: They benched him multiple times anytime he faced anybody of

1354
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: upper echelon competition, you know, like a DeForest buckner, like

1355
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: a Quinn Williams. He got benched his rookie season, So

1356
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: he's another guy that I look at as a big

1357
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: time question mark. I'm not. He's on an entrench starter

1358
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: at left guard right now. He's a guy that's earning

1359
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: his rule.

1360
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: But that can happen one way or the other. I

1361
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: just I have no problem. This line is a mess.

1362
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: Here's what I have a lot of work to do this.

1363
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: I have no problem with them giving a real shot

1364
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: at right and look, maybe it doesn't work. They clearly

1365
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: don't mind moving them around.

1366
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: I don't mind them giving him a shot. And I

1367
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 2: don't mean to come off as like criticizing the one

1368
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: good lineman other than David Andrews that we know that

1369
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: they have. Yeah, and when you right tackle, if that's

1370
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: if they really view it that way, then fine, it's

1371
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: we'll see what happened when.

1372
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: Right tackle scares me less than Chuck's a Corford left tackle.

1373
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: But I don't know why Chucks would have had to

1374
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: play left. They're two separate things.

1375
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like moving on when the right tackle,

1376
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: as it stands me, isn't the biggest move they're making

1377
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: on the offense.

1378
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: As it stands right unless you're counting on on one

1379
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: of these draft picks that Colleen mentioned, like a Kingsley,

1380
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: Sue Matia or some of these guys we're going to

1381
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 2: talk about. As it stands right now, you're starting left

1382
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: tackle in week one, is Chucks a Corriford right?

1383
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: That that worries me more than Mike when when wit

1384
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: right tackle?

1385
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: What a mess like this is? You cannot you cannot

1386
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: put a rookie quarterback out there behind this line.

1387
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: If when who works out at right tackle, I actually

1388
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: think it kind of starts coming to if one. When

1389
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: it works out at right tackle and you assume the

1390
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: battle left guard leads to a good starter, you're in

1391
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: good shape because you'll have if you can get you know,

1392
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: starting caliber left guard right and you'd think between three

1393
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: or four guys will find somebody. David Andrews, I think

1394
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: we both agree City So is a pretty good player,

1395
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: especially as a running guard right. He's probably your right guard.

1396
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: And then if phone win, it works out And there's

1397
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: some ifs in there, but I'm saying like that that's

1398
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: four or five and you're in good shape. And I

1399
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: don't think any of those ifs are that extreme.

1400
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 2: My concern is passed pro and you still have to

1401
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: figure you still.

1402
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: To figure out the left tackle, obviously. I think that

1403
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: they have to do that no matter what.

1404
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: I think that line, especially on the right side, is

1405
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 2: actually a really good run blocking offensive line, and I

1406
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: think that's what they care more about the City and

1407
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: Mike Onnuenu together last year on those double teams and

1408
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: stuff like that was excellent.

1409
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1410
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that's what they want to do this, Okay,

1411
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: but I'm not I'm not putting Jayden Daniels behind that

1412
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: line with the right tackle that has a short corner

1413
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: and a rookie at left tackle or a Chucks the

1414
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: Corps four playing at a position at left tackle. I'm

1415
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: not doing it, like I And then maybe that's the

1416
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: plan we've talked about this. Yeah, poor Jacoby Brissett is

1417
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: going to be a sacrificial lamb and he's gonna go

1418
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: out there and get his his head caved in. Like

1419
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: maybe that's what the plan is. And and fine, until

1420
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: everybody else is sort of ready for the rookie to

1421
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: step in, maybe they draft you know, one of these

1422
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: guys we're going to talk about a tackle and one

1423
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: of those guys by week eight is a lot better

1424
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: than he was in week one, and now it's safer

1425
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: to put the rookie bat behind the line. But on

1426
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 2: top of the risking injury, we're also risking the mac

1427
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 2: jones thing of him getting sped up and happy feet

1428
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. And some of these guys.

1429
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: You know, Jayden Daniels I think is probably the calmest

1430
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: in the pocket out of all these guys. But Drake

1431
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: may already had issues with with that last year right

1432
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 2: and and it did impact his footwork and it did

1433
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: impact his play overall. So I just have a lot

1434
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 2: of concerns about the line. Still talking about some of

1435
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: these these tackles though that you know Colleen mentioned, Uh,

1436
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: some of these guys, like we were talking about Latham earlier.

1437
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

1438
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: Telisi Fugawa is also a right tackle. Tyler Gutton played

1439
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: right tackle in college. Uh, but he's got it. He's

1440
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: a very athletic, long athletic guy, so I think that

1441
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 2: he can play left. Jordan Morgan's a right tackle, might

1442
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 2: be a guard.

1443
01:06:58,760 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1444
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: Fought now from Washington is a left tackle, but some

1445
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: people think he's a guard as well. So we'll see

1446
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: about that and then you get into the Sue Mattia Kingsley.

1447
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: Sue Matia, who's a pure left tackle all the athletic trades,

1448
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: is a left tackle. But now we're starting to get

1449
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: into some of the guys that are gonna need some development.

1450
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 2: Like these guys are not ready necessarily Week one. Your

1451
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 2: boy Patrick Paul left tackle, has some experience, but it

1452
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: still has some of his own issues. Then you know

1453
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: the last of these guys, Blake Fisher right side, the

1454
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: one guy that is interesting maybe at left tackle, Javon

1455
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: Foster from Missouri, pure left tackle, Christian Jones right Roger

1456
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: rosen Garden played right, but played right because they wanted

1457
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 2: him to play right, not because necessarily he had to

1458
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: play right.

1459
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: He's a right tackle, blind side protector. Correct, So and

1460
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: everybody who's saying, oh, you know, he's the right tackle

1461
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: in college, But for lefty quarterbacks, who's really left tackle,

1462
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: that's not really how that works because the movements are

1463
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: still all the same for you. It's the quarterback that's different.

1464
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: And that's the big thing. When you try to move

1465
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: a tackle from one side to the other. A guard

1466
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,439
Speaker 1: you're used to coming out of your stance both ways,

1467
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: going left going right, you're not doing that nearly as

1468
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: much as tackle, and it's kind of like writing with

1469
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: the other hand when you go from one side to another.

1470
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: I think people underrate just how hard it is being

1471
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: a true swing tackle. So just because Rosengarten was a

1472
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: right tackle who blocked for a lefty quarterback doesn't necessarily

1473
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: mean that he can just now. I think he can

1474
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: make the switch left tackle because I think he's a

1475
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: very smart football player and he's a really good athlete.

1476
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: But like it is going to be a transition. It's not.

1477
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: Being a right tackle for a lefty quarterback doesn't automatically

1478
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: mean you can be a left tackle for a righty quarterback.

1479
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: There's still a pretty sizeable adjustment in there.

1480
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: I agree. So out of these guys, this next tier,

1481
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 2: which when you start to really think about, Okay, let's

1482
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: say they go quarterback and let's say they go receiver

1483
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: with the top two picks, and they still don't have

1484
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: a tackle yet, right, So you get into Patrick, Paul,

1485
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: Blake Fisher, then some of these in the kid from Yale, Yeah,

1486
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: the kid from Yale who I haven't watched yet, So

1487
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: I'll put that caveat on this. Roger Rosengarden, Christian Jones,

1488
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 2: if teams Devon, I don't no, I see I think

1489
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: they are. I think I think Javon. I think Roger

1490
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: rosen Garden is the best out of all these guys,

1491
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: really yeah, because he's gonna go much later. Some of

1492
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: those other guys, I don't think so. Mel Kiper mocked

1493
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: him in the first round in his last Mitchift. He's

1494
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 2: really talented, and I think the thing that you will

1495
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 2: you love about roseen Garden, on top of the athletic

1496
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: ability which is all over his film, I mean, he's

1497
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: just as twitchy as fought you in some ways, like

1498
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: he could explodes out of his stance, really really smooth mover,

1499
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: could redirect skills are really really good to mirror rushers

1500
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: inside counters. Things like that zone blocking scheme you know

1501
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: right fits right in on that if you want him

1502
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: to move latterly on the line of scrimmage. He has

1503
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 2: two concerns with him. One his size, he's undersized for

1504
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: the position, not Isaiah Win undersized, but undersized. And two,

1505
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: because he's undersized, he lacks play striking and anchor and

1506
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:09,839
Speaker 2: ability to move guys.

1507
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: Is a problem, and he saw that in the National Change.

1508
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 2: But if you put him in a in a I

1509
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: think the bigger problem with it too is that he

1510
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: overcompensates for the fact that he's smaller. He's a really

1511
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: really aggressive setter in his past sets, like he comes

1512
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: out in the he comes right after you. He has

1513
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 2: an attack mindset, and a lot of these more well versed,

1514
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 2: well schooled pass rushers, they'll see him come out of

1515
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: his stance like that in the vertical set and they'll

1516
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: be ready for it, and they'll have an inside move

1517
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: ready for it, or they'll have something to get him

1518
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: off balance. He's going to have to be able to

1519
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 2: hit an NFL weight room, add some sand to the

1520
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: lower half, be able to anchor a little bit better,

1521
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: and be a little bit more patient. Like he he's

1522
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 2: very very aggressive because he tries to do that to

1523
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 2: make up for the fact that he's not six six

1524
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: with thirty five inch arms. So very talented though, and

1525
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: very athletic. I was really impressed with Blake Fisher. I

1526
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: think Blake Fisher has a lot of tools and he's

1527
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: not even twenty one years old yet, so a lot

1528
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: of his issues with Fisher are technical, you know, things

1529
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 2: that can be coached and fixed, I think technique wise,

1530
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: and he's so young that he's going to have the

1531
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: runway to be able to figure that out in the league.

1532
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,879
Speaker 2: And he's got all the prerequisites of you know, athletic ability,

1533
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: play strength. I mean, there's tons of pancakes on his

1534
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: run blocking film. Impressive guy. I went back and forth

1535
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 2: with Javon Foster. I think that there are some elements

1536
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: of his game that are good. I thought it is

1537
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: Ohio State film in the Cotton Bowl was really good

1538
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: against JT. Whatever his last name. Is going to be

1539
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: a top the yeah, top pass rusher next year, in

1540
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: next year's class. The one thing that worried me a

1541
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: little bit about Foster is that he's very choppy with

1542
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: his movements. He's very disjointed mover in his pass sets.

1543
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: And what ends up happening is is that when you're

1544
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: choppy with your feet like that, there's there's times when

1545
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: you're set, we're both feet are off the ground at

1546
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: the same time, and these NFL rushers are going to

1547
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 2: time that up and they're gonna just get hand right

1548
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: in your chest and you're just gonna have nothing. You know,

1549
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 2: You're gonna fall back into the quarterback so quick reader rects,

1550
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 2: you know, quick counters, speed to power. When you're a

1551
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: choppy guy like that, that kind of like hoofs out

1552
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 2: of his stance like that. Guys in the NFL are

1553
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,560
Speaker 2: gonna watch that on film and they're gonna time you

1554
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: up and then you're gonna be in trouble. So I

1555
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: think Javon Foster has a lot of foot speed. I

1556
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 2: think he has a lot of play strength, but he's very,

1557
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 2: very segmented in his movements and I have concerns about that.

1558
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: But he is a pure left tackle. I think we

1559
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: both really like Christian Jones, just a lot of penalties,

1560
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: big big man, but yeah, somebody that tucks his head

1561
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 2: into contact can get overextended and start grabbing people. But

1562
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,799
Speaker 2: really good run blocker, probably more of a pure right tackle.

1563
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: So those are the guys that I've watched recently. I

1564
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: would say that how I'd rake him Rose and Garden first.

1565
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: I think Rosen Garden. The biggest thing too with him

1566
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: is that I just really love line that you can

1567
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: tell her just offensive linemen, like, it's a really unique position.

1568
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 2: It's not a natural skill to be able to play

1569
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 2: offensive line. So when you have guys that you can

1570
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: tell just get the position and are kind of like

1571
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: bread in it and understand the nuances of it and

1572
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: are just athletes trying to throw their weight around. Uh,

1573
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 2: that's Rosengarden. I think that that usually translates pretty well

1574
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 2: to the next level. He's gonna have to he's gonna

1575
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: have to hit the weight room, like, go do some squats,

1576
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, go go get on the squat machine. Right,

1577
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: but him, Blake Fisher, I think is a pretty solid

1578
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 2: number two option, even though he plays on the right side.

1579
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 2: And then I do think that there's a gap between

1580
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 2: the next tier.

1581
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: I thought Patrick Patrick Paul's good.

1582
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: I don't know where to put Patrick Paul in that group.

1583
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: I maybe a little bit ahead of where I just

1584
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: ranked him. I kind of forget about Patrick Paul because

1585
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,879
Speaker 2: I think he's like in the middle of the Kingsley

1586
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: sew of I tie group in this group, like he's

1587
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: he might be a tier ahead of these guys, but

1588
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: he's a third round guy to me that will get

1589
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 2: drafted probably in the second round.

1590
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: I just think tackle with the size with the athletic again,

1591
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: it's I say this about a couple of guys every year,

1592
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: right six seven, three thirty thirty six inch arms, legitimate

1593
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: mobile athlete for somebody's size. Yeah, and maybe he's not

1594
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: the most technically skilled, But if you can't get something

1595
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: out of a guy giving you those raw tools, I

1596
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: don't know what you're looking at. If you think if

1597
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: you look at that guy and you don't see the

1598
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: bigger picture, I think you're missing out. And I think

1599
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna be teams that again look at it that way,

1600
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have the floor that maybe some of

1601
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: those guy other guys, because again he's very raw. But

1602
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: those tackles that just can envelop rushers right that they

1603
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: don't necessarily pancake them, They don't necessarily like get in

1604
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,839
Speaker 1: this whole movement with them. They just kind of swallow

1605
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: them up and that's it and they disappear. Patrick can

1606
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: be that kind of tackle, and I think those tackles

1607
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: are incredibly effective. So I'm still a big fan of his.

1608
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: I still think that with the right coaching, he can be,

1609
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, a top tier tackle in the NFL.

1610
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: I think he's got that chance to His run blocking

1611
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,839
Speaker 2: needs to improve a lot, yeah, in terms of technique

1612
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: and his hand placement in his pass pro needs to improve.

1613
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: But that's all coachable.

1614
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: I think it's coachable. But I think the one thing

1615
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: that I worry about with is run blocking his leverage,

1616
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: Like he might just not have the flexibility in the

1617
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: lower half to establish leverage and create leverage. I guess

1618
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 2: I should say that that is tough. Like when you're

1619
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 2: that tall and you're that heavy to be able to

1620
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: really get down and create leverage points with your strikes,

1621
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: it is difficult to do. And guys like that tend

1622
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 2: to have those issues. Now, if you're a Trent Brown

1623
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 2: and you're three hundred and eighty pounds, then you're just

1624
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: so freaking big that you're gonna move guys anyway.

1625
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. I think that Paul's kind of

1626
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: in that category, maybe because his play strength is tremendous.

1627
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: He's a strong guy, and the fact is is that

1628
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't play to his strength, his natural strength, because

1629
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 2: of his technique, which is unfortunate, right, you know, you'd

1630
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: look at in pass pro. There's no reason that somebody

1631
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: should be able to run through Patrick Paul's chest. There's

1632
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 2: no reason that that should be able to happen, But

1633
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: it does happen sometimes because of his hands, you know,

1634
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: his hands are lower, they're wide. He has a low

1635
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: and wide hand carriage, so he's exposing his chest all

1636
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: the time. So guys just get right inside of him

1637
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: and push him backwards. He's six seven, three hundred and

1638
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 2: whatever pounds. He shouldn't be be like, he shouldn't be

1639
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 2: getting bull rushed, right, Like that shouldn't happen at that size.

1640
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: But again to me, like that's coachable. It is, so

1641
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't worry about it.

1642
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: I agree, all right, So I'll restart because I always

1643
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 2: forget about Patrick Paul because he's somebody I watched earlier on.

1644
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: So I'd say Patrick Paul, Roger Rosegard, and Blake Fisher

1645
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 2: are probably one, two three in the first here. I

1646
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 2: would then say that there is a little bit of

1647
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 2: a gap before you get to the Javon Fosters and

1648
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 2: the Christian Dead.

1649
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying to you before, And I

1650
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,440
Speaker 1: was like, this is toofiers.

1651
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 2: Well, they're yeah, but they're gonna go in the same

1652
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 2: let's call it twenty five to forty picks. I would say,

1653
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: I think Paul will go higher. He could, he could

1654
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 2: get the tackle bump. I think he's gonna he's a

1655
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 2: third round guy, especially because.

1656
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: Of the tackle, because of the drop off you mentioned,

1657
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: I think there's this if you miss on Patrick Paul,

1658
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: you're missing on a whole level of player. Yeah, and

1659
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 1: so somebody's gonna rush up and get them. So they don't.

1660
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: It helps him in that next tier.

1661
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: It helps his case that he's a left tackle, yeah,

1662
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: and it helps his case that he's maybe a little

1663
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 2: bit better than some of these other guys that it's

1664
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: worth taking the left tackle at the in the second

1665
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: round versus waiting till you know, round three, round four

1666
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: to take one of these guys. But the one thing

1667
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 2: I will say that I have started to come around

1668
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 2: on is all right, let's say they go quarterback at three,

1669
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 2: they go receiver with the thirty fourth pick. Figure out it.

1670
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 2: Maybe they move up a couple of spots, but whatever

1671
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 2: that the two first picks off the board from the

1672
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 2: Patriots or quarterback and receiver. I do think that there's

1673
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 2: enough talent at at sixty eight and at one oh

1674
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 2: three to double dip at tackle.

1675
01:17:58,320 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: Okay.

1676
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 2: I I think that a guy like you're, like a

1677
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: Patrick Paul, could be there at sixty eight. I think

1678
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 2: a guy like Blake Fisher is worth maybe considering at

1679
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: sixty eight, and if mel Kuiper's right, then Roger Rosengarden

1680
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 2: is I'm not you know, I'm not dumb and don't

1681
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: know what I'm watching, because apparently some people are telling

1682
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: mel Kiper he could be a first round pick. So

1683
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 2: you have those three guys, and then maybe you do

1684
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 2: take a you know, a Javon Foster or the Yale

1685
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: kid or somebody like that that has some upside, But

1686
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 2: in the fourth round.

1687
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: Rosengarden being a first round pick is gonna bug me

1688
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: just because and I like Rosengarden. I think he's a

1689
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: good player. He did not have a good national championship.

1690
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: Michael Pennox is not gonna be a first round pick

1691
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: because of the national championship, but Roseen Garden gets passed.

1692
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 2: I don't think rose Garden's going the first I don't

1693
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 2: think he is, but I thing's just stupid when you

1694
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: watch him on film, though there's first round caliber traits

1695
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 2: with his athleticism and his explosiveness, but I don't see

1696
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 2: it either.

1697
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: So I'll say this, I don't think there's that much

1698
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: of a drop off to your point from the early

1699
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: fourth round guys or their early Day three as I

1700
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: should say the Javon Fosters, the Christian Jones yea to

1701
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: Frank Crumb, Tyland Grabile, that kind of thing.

1702
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 2: So with that, those guys are definitely better athletes than

1703
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 2: those two.

1704
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 1: But that's what when he was in Green Bay, that's

1705
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: what Wolf wanted. They would go a little smaller. That's

1706
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of why I get a little more athletic.

1707
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 2: That's kind of why I'm bringing up Roseen Garden because

1708
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about it. Yeah, and he's one of

1709
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: those guys, super athletic, a little bit undersized. But if

1710
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: you're a zone blocking team, if they're truly going to

1711
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 2: be an outside zone team, then Rose and Garden fits

1712
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: that to a t. And I think you could even

1713
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 2: fit it on the left side.

1714
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, I've said this before. I think

1715
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: Washington's offense last year is kind of similar to what

1716
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 1: the Patriots are going to run with man Pelt. It's collegized.

1717
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess to make up a word, but that's good.

1718
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: There's some there's some simil there's some core similarities between

1719
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: the two.

1720
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go back to the phones. We're

1721
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: gonna go to line three here. Joel do you know

1722
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: who is online? Three? Who? Hello, Hey, Jasper? Are you there?

1723
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1724
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 2: Hi guys, Hey, how's it going.

1725
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 7: Taking my call? Let me turn it off speaker, No problem.

1726
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 7: So yeah, I got a statement and then little question. Dude, Yeah,

1727
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 7: Robert and Jonathan. I just want to say, stop making

1728
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 7: the guys do the ad reads like it's it's undignified.

1729
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 7: That's how we got to pay in terms of just

1730
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 7: how they project how many podcasts future revenue.

1731
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's move on from that point.

1732
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: Please, cool story Ansel.

1733
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 7: Okay, well, I'm just saying I love you guys, and

1734
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 7: I think they're better. My question is, and it's a

1735
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 7: real sick oh question, is there a defensive player you

1736
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 7: would take at thirty four.

1737
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 4: If they fell?

1738
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: Fair question? Thanks, thanks for the Jasper, didn't mean to

1739
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 2: be harsh. We just we do the ad reads for

1740
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: a good reason.

1741
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: What's so, can we get in a recency because I

1742
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: have a recency thing here.

1743
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I have you know, you know me, I'm

1744
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm ignoring defensive.

1745
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: But this is not a player I have recently. This

1746
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: is not a guy. This is a guy I've been

1747
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: aware of. Okay, just give the take, but hang on,

1748
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: I've recently really come around to the idea of the

1749
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: Patriots drafting him. Yeah, and they DeMarcus Covington was at

1750
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: his pro day yesterday. DeAndre Sweat to and Andre Sweat.

1751
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: He is a monster.

1752
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: He's so good at what he does, and fifteen years ago,

1753
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: Evan he'd be a top ten pick in the draft.

1754
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 1: Teams don't use nose tackles the way they used to,

1755
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: but he is three hundred seventy pounds and he plays

1756
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: with the power you would expect a guy who weighs

1757
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,879
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy pounds to play with. You cannot

1758
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: single block to Andre Sweat. It's just not going to happen.

1759
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 1: And I think if you put him in the middle

1760
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: of this defense, next to Christian Barmore, next to Matthew Junan,

1761
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: next to josh Ucca, you are going to free up

1762
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: so many opportunities for this pass rush. And if Christian

1763
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: Gonzalez is the guy you think he is and you

1764
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: can get a really you know, solid number two corner,

1765
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: you can kind of get back to what the defense

1766
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: was in the you know, twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen range,

1767
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: where you're sending the house more often than not at

1768
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: the quarterback, and tov Andre Sweat would help you do that. Now,

1769
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: he's not a guy who's gonna play a ton. He's

1770
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: not gonna be like a sixty seventy percent use the

1771
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: drake guy. Yeah, but he is somebody that the offense

1772
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: is going to have to account for every time he

1773
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: is on the field. And I don't think i'd take

1774
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: him at thirty four, but he may fall because again

1775
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where NFL teams overthink things

1776
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: because of the weight. If he makes it down to

1777
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: sixty eight and they feel really good about what they

1778
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: did with their first two picks and maybe they've identified

1779
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: a tackle it one oh three that they think is

1780
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 1: the answer. Yeah, they could do a lot more and

1781
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: people would lose it. But they could do a lot

1782
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 1: worse than drafting to and Andre Sweat because I think

1783
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: he would unlock a lot for this defense. You can

1784
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: rip that take apart and I'm sure.

1785
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 2: You want to know because I saw him at the

1786
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl and his pass rush at the Senior Bowl

1787
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: was was pretty solid.

1788
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: He's an athlete. They had him play, they were throwing

1789
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: him passes in the reds Enet.

1790
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 2: His one on one pass rush at the Senior Bowl

1791
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 2: was enough that, no, you're not gonna play him on

1792
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 2: third down. No, but on first and second down when

1793
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 2: that play action converts to a pass from a run,

1794
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 2: can he still get after the quarterback and he still

1795
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: pushed the pocket a little bit? Yeah, I think he's got.

1796
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to go this far because this is

1797
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: such a lofty comp but like, I'm not saying he

1798
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: would be Vince will Fork, but he's Vince will Fork

1799
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: ish in his approach, and I think he can have

1800
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: the kind of impact on a defense because Vince will

1801
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: Fork didn't fill up the stature. We all know that, Like,

1802
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:07,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't this monster statistics compiler, but he made everybody

1803
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,839
Speaker 1: around him better. He piled up the statistics for the defense.

1804
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think Devandre Sweat maybe not

1805
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: at that level. Since will Fork's a Hall of Fame,

1806
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going to just label a guy Hall of

1807
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: Famer right now. But if they're gonna stick to a

1808
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 1: similar defensive scheme than the one they ran under Belichick,

1809
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: having a guy like Devandre Sweat can be a game changer.

1810
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: So if they're gonna go defense in the top one hundred,

1811
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't like maybe some of the corners, depending on

1812
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: who's who falls, because I think it's a need. I

1813
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: don't know that you. I don't know that there's a

1814
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: defensive player. Actually I can think of one other one.

1815
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: But I think we might be on the same page

1816
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 2: on that one.

1817
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: Is he a national champion?

1818
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 5: No?

1819
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: No, I don't know there's a defensive player that would

1820
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: be a better pick for this team in the top

1821
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 1: one hundred than Devandre Sweat. The only other guy put

1822
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: up there is Mike Sanders.

1823
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 2: Still Okay, Oh yeah, good player.

1824
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, local kid. Yes, kid plays everywhere, plays freaking everywhere

1825
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: on the defense.

1826
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a nickel, but you can play multiple spots.

1827
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: Well, he's here. He was an outside corner, he was

1828
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: a receiver.

1829
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: I think he's a nickel at the next level, but

1830
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 2: a really good one. And there's like a million good

1831
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 2: nickels in this class. It's s touer bad. The Patriots

1832
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 2: have like seven of their own, that's all they have. Yeah,

1833
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 2: because they have a ton of there's a ton of

1834
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 2: good slock corns, sane.

1835
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: We're still also probably gonna go higher than would be justifiable.

1836
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: Like I could see Sweat getting the sixty eight. I

1837
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: don't think sane we're still is getting that.

1838
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: For Okay, so I'll give you my name, Yeah, Cam Kitchens.

1839
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: See, I think they might be able to get him

1840
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: at one of three. But yes, you know how I.

1841
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 2: Feel about Cam Kitchens. It's Brian Branch was not as bad. Yeah,

1842
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: athletic profile wise that the Combine, that's camp Cam Kitchens

1843
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 2: had a really bad day at the Combine, really bad day.

1844
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 2: I think his RAS is like three and a half

1845
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 2: or four out of ten the bomb bad.

1846
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1847
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 2: Okay. With that being said, I trust a film with him.

1848
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: He's a football player, same way with Brian Branch, and

1849
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 2: I think that there's something that gets super under especially

1850
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: at that position, is anticipation.

1851
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:03,839
Speaker 1: And in instincts.

1852
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, in instincts, Like he's got ballhwking skills, he's got anticipation,

1853
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: he's got ability to read routes. He's got an ability

1854
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: to sit on that perch and center field and just

1855
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: see things happen before they happen, and that allows him

1856
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: to play faster than he times and shorts and a

1857
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: T shirt. I think Kim Kisch is gonna be a

1858
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 2: good NFL player. Alonzo Highsmith connection knows really well. There

1859
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 2: knows him really well. Maybe you know to the point

1860
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 2: where Alonzo Heismith knows something happened and he had a

1861
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 2: bad day. You know, he wasn't feeling well. If something

1862
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 2: happened with you know some I don't want to I'm

1863
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,560
Speaker 2: not speculating. I'm just saying Alonza Heismith told him to

1864
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: it so the pagers could get him later. Crap happens,

1865
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 2: you know in people's lives that make you have a

1866
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 2: bad day. Maybe that's what happened to him at the combine.

1867
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 2: Maybe Alonso Heismith goes into the room with Eli Olf

1868
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 2: and pounds the table and says, trust me when I

1869
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 2: this is a football player. This isn't just because he's

1870
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 2: not an athlete doesn't mean he can't play football. I'm

1871
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: all in on Cam Kitchens for them because he is.

1872
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 2: He's the free safety, he's the missing piece in that secondary.

1873
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, you watch him, you see flashes of Devin McCarty.

1874
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you'll be Devin mccorty, but it kind

1875
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: of like to Andandre sweat with with Vince Wilfork. How

1876
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: cool would it be if they they don't need they

1877
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: need offense play? How cool would it be if they

1878
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: added a Vince Wilfork comp and a Devin McCarty comp

1879
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: in the same dren people would write, but you'd get

1880
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 1: too damn good football.

1881
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: Think people would ride about sweat a little bit just because.

1882
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 1: Of three hundred and seventy pound defense. It's archaic, yeah.

1883
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: But I don't think. I think smart people and I

1884
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 2: don't need to pick on everybody, but never begets so

1885
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: sensitive with.

1886
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: Really curious your thoughts on sweat because this is the

1887
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: thing that you usually poop.

1888
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 6: No.

1889
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he was really good at the Senior Bowl.

1890
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 2: And the whole thing at the Senior Bowl was is

1891
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 2: he Is he going to be able to give you

1892
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 2: anything in the pass rush? And it's not going to

1893
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 2: be third down, it's not going to be two minute, right,

1894
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 2: but it's not Christian Barmber, right, But is he going

1895
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 2: to be able to give you anything in the pass

1896
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 2: rush on first and second down? Teams are getting so

1897
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: much more aggressive on early downs nowadays, especially with play action.

1898
01:27:57,880 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 2: Is he going to be able to give you anything

1899
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 2: in those areas? And I think he proved that he

1900
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: will be able to give you something that will allow

1901
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 2: him to play a two down roles. Yeah, significantly, you know,

1902
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 2: play almost every single down in the two down role,

1903
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, within that role. But yeah, I think Cam

1904
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: Kitchens is a guy that would really complete this defense.

1905
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 2: I think it gives you that ball hawk over the top,

1906
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:21,759
Speaker 2: you know, type of player at safety.

1907
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: So I don't know that this is a player comp

1908
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: but it's kind of a it's a comparison, I guess

1909
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: because he didn't this. The explosiveness is what people everybody knew. Like,

1910
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: he's not a track star, right, nobody was expecting him

1911
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: to run a four to three, but he didn't have

1912
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: a good vertical. He didn't have a good ten second split.

1913
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: Would you consider Brandon Spikes an explosive player as an

1914
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 1: NFL player?

1915
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: Downhill? For sure?

1916
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: But like would you say he's like an explosive athlete

1917
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: in terms.

1918
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:48,799
Speaker 2: Of like twitchy?

1919
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he tested horribly. Oh yeah no in the

1920
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: explosive testing at the combine. So like this, it happens.

1921
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: They're not he's not an olympian, He's he's a football player.

1922
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Right, He's not. He's not a you know, top tier

1923
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: percentile athlete. But I think he's more than functional in

1924
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: terms of athletics. Me at a bad day. But I

1925
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: also I wonder if teams are gonna odd enough they

1926
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: can get him at one o three. But yeah, that's

1927
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: another good name. I would say Sweat thirty four still

1928
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: to me should be an offensive player. Yeah, if you

1929
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: get to sixty eight and you feel really good about

1930
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 1: what you did in the top fifty, Tomandre, Sweat, Cam Kitchens,

1931
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Mike's I would still take Sanders still. I know they

1932
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: have a bunch of Nichols, but they also have a

1933
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that can play a lot of positions

1934
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: and you can get creative, and he's also just like

1935
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: the you know, culture guy, leader guy. I do think

1936
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,839
Speaker 1: that there'd be some should be some sort of emphasis

1937
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: on that, which, by the way, the same thing goes

1938
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: for Sweat and Kitchens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I Sander Still

1939
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 1: to me is the kind of thing like he's a

1940
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: really good football player and he can do a lot

1941
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: of things. So even if you don't have an exact

1942
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: role for him in mind right now, you bring him in,

1943
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: you'll figure something out. He's gonna help your team, all right.

1944
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 2: Hey Patriots fans, Sorry, Jasper, but I gotta do something

1945
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: for it real quick. Hey Patriots fans. When podcast doesn't

1946
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 2: have at If you want to see Tyota's best offers

1947
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 2: include those not seen on including those not seen on TV.

1948
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 2: Go to buy Tyota dot com. It's Tyota's official website

1949
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: for deals from the official vehicle of the New England Patriots, Tyota.

1950
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 2: Let's go places, Let's go. How did I do?

1951
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: No comment?

1952
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 2: Now you're gonna Now we're gonna get played on we

1953
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 2: I I've already been on the Sports Hub. I've already

1954
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 2: ready at Twitter beef with people. No one's listening, I hope.

1955
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 2: So oh okay, good, good, Yeah, don't get on my case. Everybody.

1956
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 2: Everybody getting mad at me for thin skin? Can stoptivity?

1957
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: Can you please stop bullying people on PU? Yeah, because

1958
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 1: it comes back to me and I don't want to

1959
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,560
Speaker 1: have to disavow myself from you. We're friends, but I

1960
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: will do it if I have to, So please stop

1961
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: taking pot shots at people on PU. Okay, all right,

1962
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: all right, I need to come down.

1963
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I didn't even say anything bad.

1964
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 2: I did not. It wasn't called people out. It wasn't

1965
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 2: that you called people out.

1966
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't that bad, but you called people out.

1967
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 2: I called I more called the social media people out

1968
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 2: more than didn't know who we're talking about.

1969
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about both of them. I'm talking about

1970
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: both of them equally. No, stop using Patriots unfiltered as

1971
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: a pulpit to bully people. Please.

1972
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 2: That's that's tough enough. A little bit out there, all right? Uh,

1973
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,560
Speaker 2: take some more calls here, Uh, Line one, who we

1974
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 2: got read from Atlanta? How are you doing?

1975
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 6: Yes?

1976
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 5: All right? Assuming that at thirty four we go offense, right,

1977
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 5: and you all have been talking a lot about line,

1978
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 5: would you prefer us to you know, solidify left tackle

1979
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 5: and then maybe double this that line receiver like you know,

1980
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 5: Winn and Rice or Ts Walker, or would you prefer

1981
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 5: to maybe get that bona fide x at thirty four

1982
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 5: and then maybe double dip at the tackle market, you

1983
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 5: know with the third and fourth round takes.

1984
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks for the call. That's the number one

1985
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 2: question right now, I think on everybody's minds. So is

1986
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 2: order of operations here for the Patriots as big.

1987
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: I'd prefer they go tackle, but I think they're going

1988
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 1: to go receiver. All the reports about you know, a

1989
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: core four potentially playing left tackle, ye, uh, you know,

1990
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: just all of that and where they've been at receiver.

1991
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 1: I think that they would rather the developmental tackle and

1992
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: get the receiver that's more of an impact player. I

1993
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: probably get the other way around it. Ultimately, if you

1994
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 1: hit on both players, doesn't matter.

1995
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 2: I agree. I I that's the way that it's the

1996
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 2: winds are blowing, and I early on in this process

1997
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,639
Speaker 2: was tackle at thirty four. You need to take the tackle.

1998
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 2: The line is a mess. You need to fix this problem.

1999
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: And I still feel that way to an extent. But

2000
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that you're getting just reading

2001
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 2: the tea leaves about this current regime is one I

2002
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 2: think they trust the coaching on the offensive side of

2003
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 2: the ball a little bit more. Now you know a

2004
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: guy obviously AVP to design it, but also Scott Peters

2005
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 2: to coach some of these guys up as the offensive

2006
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 2: line coach. I think there's a little bit more trust there.

2007
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 2: I also think in this system, you move the pocket

2008
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 2: a lot, especially on early downs, so there's gonna be

2009
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 2: a lot of bootlegs, there's gonna be a lot of

2010
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 2: half boots where it's not going to just be one

2011
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 2: on one pass rush all the time. So the exposures

2012
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,600
Speaker 2: that true one on one pass rush are gonna be

2013
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,799
Speaker 2: third down, two minute, you know, obvious passing situations, whereas

2014
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 2: in a more traditional McDaniel's type of scheme or Patriots

2015
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 2: type of scheme, you know, early downs might have had

2016
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 2: a little bit more exposure to one on one pass rush.

2017
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a lot of we're flowing this

2018
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 2: way with outside zone, we're gonna bootleg that way the

2019
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:56,560
Speaker 2: other direction, and the flow of the line of scrimmage

2020
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: should essentially do the blocking for you, right, So it's

2021
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 2: not as much of a of a stress on the

2022
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,879
Speaker 2: offensive line in that respect. So maybe there's some elements

2023
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 2: of that as well. And he just you know, you

2024
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 2: get the developmental tackle. I just as much as I'm

2025
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 2: an offensive line guy, and I and I truly try

2026
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: to be an offensive line guy at the same time,

2027
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 2: there's no denying that in this particular draft class, some

2028
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 2: of the receivers that might be available to them late

2029
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 2: a first round and obviously at thirty four, but even

2030
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 2: if they trade up a couple picks to get back

2031
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 2: into the first round, the receivers that might be available

2032
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 2: are true day one impact type of guys.

2033
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: So, I mean, we've done this exercise before Evan where

2034
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: we kind of put these this year's guys in last

2035
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 1: year's class. Yeah, eighty Mitchell is a top twenty pick

2036
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: most years. The reason he's not this year's because he

2037
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,839
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable season. There are guys that had multiple

2038
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: seasons playing at that level. He really only is one. Right,

2039
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: He's not available because he's lesser than he's available because

2040
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: there's more guys pushing him down the board. So I

2041
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: just think being able to capitalize on something like that

2042
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: is a tremendous, tremendous, tremendous opportunity.

2043
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 2: I agree. I think these tackles are gonna go. This

2044
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: is a really good tackle class as well. But it's

2045
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 2: really like a good top. It's good for nine guys.

2046
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: It's the top fifty picks. Yeah, it really drops off.

2047
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the unrest of these guys are what

2048
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 2: they would be any other year for the most part.

2049
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,679
Speaker 1: All Right, you may even see some guys getting pushed

2050
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: up the board.

2051
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's online too? Jules greg from Stanford? What's up?

2052
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 6: Hey you guys?

2053
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?

2054
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

2055
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 6: Yep?

2056
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:34,600
Speaker 2: Is that Stanford, Connecticut?

2057
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 4: Stanley?

2058
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 6: Yep?

2059
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 4: Exactly nice. So I guess, first of all, just a

2060
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 4: great show.

2061
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for a while.

2062
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 4: You guys are great.

2063
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2064
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,719
Speaker 4: My question and I guess more of a thought about

2065
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 4: the Patriots season is that I don't understand why people

2066
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 4: aren't looking at this like a two year rebuild. In

2067
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 4: terms of our draft, it seems like a lot of

2068
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,560
Speaker 4: people want to get the receiver QB and Crackle in

2069
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 4: this draft, and I think that our best plan moving

2070
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 4: forward would be to go QB first wide receiver thirty four,

2071
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 4: and then best player available at sixty eight in drafting

2072
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 4: that left tackle with our first round pick next year,

2073
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 4: just because based on our schedule it looks like we'll

2074
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 4: probably be a top ten pick as well. So I

2075
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 4: think that would be the best plan. And I think

2076
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 4: with the core force dining, it kind of kIPS, you know,

2077
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 4: the Patriots hand to that plan. So I just was

2078
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 4: wondering what you guys thought about that.

2079
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for the call. I couldn't agree more.

2080
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 2: And this is not to pick on Patriots fans, but

2081
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: bottom line is, I think a lot of people that

2082
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: are disappointed with free agency are just disappointed that there's

2083
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 2: no immediate, instant gratification of the twenty twenty four roster,

2084
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 2: right now, the twenty twenty four roster looks like a

2085
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 2: four to six win team. There's no there's no sugarcoating it.

2086
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: Like in twenty twenty four. They look like a six

2087
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 2: win team at best. And that's if a lot of

2088
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 2: things go right in the draft for them too. Maybe

2089
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 2: they could be a surprise if the if the quarterback

2090
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 2: is good, you know, if they draft CJ.

2091
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: Stroud, right, they be Texas.

2092
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 2: They could be the Texans. But right now they look

2093
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 2: like maybe a six win team. I think with the

2094
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 2: schedule that they have, which is disappointing. And maybe in

2095
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,600
Speaker 2: free agency they could have gone out there and they

2096
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 2: could have signed some guys that it would have made

2097
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 2: them a seven or eight win team and maybe they

2098
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 2: would have been a little bit more competitive, and maybe

2099
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 2: they would have had a bet of product out on

2100
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 2: the field in twenty twenty four. But to the callers point,

2101
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: I think what the team is going after is let's

2102
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 2: really do this right. Let's make this a two year rebuild.

2103
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: I think by year three they need to be competitive.

2104
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that they can look at it as

2105
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 2: a three year thing. It's gotta be This off season

2106
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 2: is a step forward. Next off season is a massive

2107
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 2: step forward, and then you know we're starting to compete

2108
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 2: year two in year three, So I agree. I think

2109
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 2: that tackle might become the need at the top of

2110
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 2: the draft. Next year. You're probably gonna have a top

2111
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 2: ten fifteen pick most likely. Maybe you don't have as

2112
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 2: many holes next year as well, and you can start

2113
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,640
Speaker 2: to flirt with trading up or being more aggressive and

2114
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 2: free and see it after some of these guys to

2115
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,799
Speaker 2: move the needle. I think that's the approach. This offseason

2116
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 2: is about laying a foundation. It's about hitting on the draft,

2117
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 2: it's about retaining some of the core players that they

2118
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 2: feel like are part of the future. And next off

2119
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 2: season is where you really start to have fun with

2120
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: it and you start to go for it.

2121
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: And that's why I think you go project tackle at

2122
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: sixty eight or one o three, because if you hit

2123
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: on the project now, you get to go best player available,

2124
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, within recent best player available in the first

2125
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 1: round next year. Yeah, so you might as well take that.

2126
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 1: You might as well take that swing, because best player

2127
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 1: available at sixty eight, they're all going to be project

2128
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: players right around when you get to that point, unless

2129
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: they want to get a guy like Devandre Sweat or

2130
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 1: somebody like that. It just maybe gives you more flexibility

2131
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 1: next year.

2132
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 2: All right, So a couple of questions. I wanted to

2133
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 2: segue into that next week, as Alex already knows, but

2134
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Speaker 2: I think we've talked about it. I'm going on a

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01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 2: little pro day tour, so I'll be at LSU and

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01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 2: I'll be at North Carolina. Alex and I will record

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01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,759
Speaker 2: a podcast at some point to talk about all those things,

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01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 2: probably on Thursday night. I don't we don't know yet

2139
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 2: of exactly what time and if it's gonna be uh,

2140
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 2: if you're gonna see our lovely faces on video and

2141
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 2: all that stuff, but we will have audio for sure

2142
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 2: for you of my takeaways Alex from watching it as

2143
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 2: well about the pro day. So don't worry about that.

2144
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good time.

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01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 2: A couple of questions from the emailers.

2147
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 1: Wait, we didn't get your recencys players. Yeah.

2148
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 2: I just named all the tackles.

2149
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 1: Oh that's it. Yeah, yeah, all right, we disappoint that

2150
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna hit me with like a running back or

2151
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: a safety or no.

2152
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 2: I have not even touched those tight ends are next

2153
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 2: for me?

2154
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: First?

2155
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll probably finish. I'll probably you know, put a

2156
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: cap on the receivers.

2157
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 1: You're gonna hate means, and it's gonna be a whole thing.

2158
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm ready for it.

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01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 2: I I just all right. Anyways, So obviously that segues

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01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 2: us into h Jayden Daniels and Drake May. I'm glad

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01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 2: that we can do a program that we can go

2162
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 2: an hour and forty minutes without really talking about those

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01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 2: two guys, because I just feel like everybody that's all

2164
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 2: everybody talks about at all different. So that's what I'm

2165
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 2: glad that. That's why we get the sponsors, That's why

2166
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 2: we got Roger Rosengarden and Javon Foster and those guys

2167
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: in there before we got the number three overall pick.

2168
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 2: So two different questions one from Sean and Toronto about

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01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels that are are both related to things I

2170
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 2: think people have concerns about with him. Is anyone else

2171
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:20,719
Speaker 2: concerned about Jayden Daniels's arm strength? He says it reminds

2172
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 2: me of Mac Jones. I don't think that's fair.

2173
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Every quarterback in this cycle justriots.

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01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 2: Fans find a way to compare him to Mac Jones.

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01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 1: There's one, maybe two quarterbacks.

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01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 2: I think Caleb is the only one that I haven't

2177
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 2: heard of Macs comparison.

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01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I've heard because the after game antics.

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01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 2: No, I've heard it.

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01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's right, it's not, but i've heard.

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01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 6: No.

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01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 1: I have heard Caleb Williams mac Jones parts of their games,

2183
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: so I haven't.

2184
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 2: Drake May, who is six five and thirty pounds and

2185
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 2: a freak athlete and freak arm talent, all that kind

2186
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 2: of stuff is mac Jones.

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01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 1: I'll say. I'll say this, I see it more with

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01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Drake May than in any other quarterbacks. I will say that.

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01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: Here's why. How Because he does the weird stuff where

2190
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: he's like in the grass pathway down, just flicks the

2191
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:10,759
Speaker 1: ball out underhand and tries to get it to somebody.

2192
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:12,879
Speaker 1: Now that works for him, that's the difference.

2193
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 2: But he he did make some des and I get

2194
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 2: it that with Drake and I wanted to talk to

2195
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 2: We can talk about both of them. Yeah, I get

2196
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 2: it with Drake May that some people see that type

2197
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 2: of stuff on film. He had that really bad pick

2198
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 2: against Clemson that everybody likes to put up. I think

2199
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 2: that was from twenty twenty two. I get that people

2200
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 2: see these things and are like, oh, that's not gonna

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01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 2: work in the league. Like when he threw the touchdown

2202
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 2: pass lefty last year, people are like, oh, that's not

2203
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 2: gonna work. Yeah, this is reckless, YadA, YadA YadA. But

2204
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 2: bottom line is is that in terms of turnover worthy plays,

2205
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 2: he's the only guy that has a lower percentage of

2206
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,680
Speaker 2: turnover worthy plays last year as Jaden he has a

2207
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,799
Speaker 2: lower turnover we play rate than Caleb. For sure, Caleb

2208
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 2: is really bad. Never yet we never talk about it

2209
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 2: with Caleb, right like.

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01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:05,719
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is really bad print deadline.

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01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 2: I think Caleb's generation, I know, I think that guy's

2212
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 2: freaking amazing. Uh, Caleb has a much higher one. Everybody's boy.

2213
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy has a higher turnover worthy play percentage. But

2214
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 2: Drake may is the record.

2215
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: Sample size to really counter. Does he even have enough

2216
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 1: to qualify? Well, it's percentage, I know what I'm saying.

2217
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: What he even does he reach the qualified.

2218
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about two things with these guys.

2219
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Sean brings up Jadon Daniels.

2220
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 1: And I guess there's only one guy you can truly

2221
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:35,599
Speaker 1: Compton mac Swell's in the draft though, and that's Bonux.

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01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, bonus guy, a little bit Mac.

2223
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 1: He's like Mac Jones with a little bit of extra.

2224
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Alex Smith.

2225
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: That's a little worse. Well, I'm yeah, bon boring, Like

2226
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: that's what And I guess that's not a bad thing.

2227
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 2: He's just okay.

2228
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 1: So he's like the anti Joe Milton.

2229
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 2: These two are related in some ways shape and form.

2230
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 2: So first emailer from Toronto sar I forgot your name already.

2231
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 2: Sean from Toronto is concerns about Jaden Daniels' arm strength,

2232
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 2: which has been brought up. And Bart from Poland, good

2233
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 2: friend Bart from Poland, has concerns about Jaden Daniels's numbers

2234
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 2: into the middle of the fields. Right, I've brought this

2235
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 2: up before. Yeah, so he's only completed sixteen passes between

2236
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 2: the numbers that the intermediate middle part of the field,

2237
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 2: right That that ten to twenty yard twenty five yard range,

2238
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, in the middle of the field, between the hashes.

2239
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 2: So I think these things go hand in hand. When

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01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 2: you throw the outside the numbers, yes you have. If

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01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 2: you're gonna throw a deep out, you gotta drive the

2242
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 2: ball outside the numbers, right, Like that's that's that's pure

2243
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 2: arm strength. But for the most part, a lot of

2244
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels's throws are touch passes outside the numbers, you know,

2245
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 2: slot fades, things like that, where he's he's thrown deep balls.

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01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 2: He's not throwing, he's not driving the ball. He's he's

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01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,799
Speaker 2: throwing it with distance, which he has plenty of distance

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01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 2: on the throw. It's more about the gas and the

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01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 2: velocity on the throw. And I would say that I

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01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 2: have less concerns about arm strength than I do with

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01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 2: his ability to read the middle of the field and

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01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 2: take some of those easy throws to the middle of

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01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:17,680
Speaker 2: the field. He seems a little bit, you know, apprehensive

2254
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 2: to throw the you know, okay, front side dig covered,

2255
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come to the second guy dig in, you know,

2256
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 2: and throw that one. You know, I'm gonna throw the

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01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 2: layered throw, you know, anticipate through the zone windows and

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01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 2: throw a little bit of a layered throw in here

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01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,760
Speaker 2: and with anticipation, like those types of things. The arm

2260
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 2: strength thing, though, it doesn't concern me a whole lot

2261
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 2: because of how mobile he is. Right, mac Jones's problem

2262
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 2: was he had to sit in the pocket and make

2263
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 2: throws and that was the only way that he was

2264
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 2: gonna be able to do it in the NFL. And

2265
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,560
Speaker 2: I think what happened with Mac is that at the

2266
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 2: college level, he was able to anticipate and he was

2267
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 2: able to stay a step ahead of defenses. Once you

2268
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,719
Speaker 2: get to the NFL level, defenses are complexer, they're faster,

2269
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 2: they're better, so you can't always be a step ahead.

2270
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 2: So when he had to make decisions and he had

2271
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 2: to make plays post snap, that's when Mac Jones ran

2272
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 2: into issues. I'm not as concerned about that with Jayden Daniels.

2273
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 2: Like if Jaden Daniels has to throw and out, you know,

2274
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 2: a deep out pass the sticks for first down and

2275
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 2: he doesn't like it, he can just pull a tick off.

2276
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 2: He can just pull it down and make a play, right,

2277
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 2: whereas Mac Jones didn't have that fleet Max. Yeah, Mac

2278
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Jones didn't have that luxury. So the arm strength I

2279
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,639
Speaker 2: think is an elite, Like he doesn't have the biggest

2280
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 2: of arms to drive the ball into windows, But I

2281
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 2: think that your windows are a going to be a

2282
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 2: lot bigger because they have to account for different things.

2283
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 2: With Jayden Daniels and B, I think he has a plan. B.

2284
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 2: I think he has a left hand, whereas with Mac

2285
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 2: it was like everything needs to be in structure, on time,

2286
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 2: in rhythm all the time. Whereas with Jaydon Daniels, I

2287
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 2: think there's play making ability there that he's going to

2288
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 2: be able to make up for the lack of arm strang,

2289
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 2: do you have any concerns about his arm strength?

2290
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: No, I mean, he's not Joe Milton. He's not going

2291
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 1: to throw the ball eighty yards in the air. But

2292
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 1: it's it's not a I wouldn't call it a knock.

2293
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like his biggest He has average arm strength.

2294
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 2: He has a great deep ball right, but his ability

2295
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 2: to drive the football is pedestrian.

2296
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. He's gonna need to bulk up.

2297
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: So you figure he's going to put some muscle on

2298
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 1: and just will have more natural strength because his mechanics

2299
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 1: are pretty clean. Very so I feel like once he

2300
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 1: kind of puts something, he should put muscle on, Like

2301
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 1: he's got to get up to two twenty five. Yeah,

2302
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 1: when he does that, he's not going to do it

2303
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:36,759
Speaker 1: by pounding cheeseburgers and getting a beer.

2304
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 2: Gut, right, hope not.

2305
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:41,560
Speaker 1: Uh, that'll just add some add some RPMs add some

2306
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: velocities throw. So I'm not gonna sit here and tell

2307
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,759
Speaker 1: you that it's like this perfect ability of his or anything,

2308
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: but I that's why you're not taking him at that

2309
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: point to go to the next tier. I think you're

2310
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,599
Speaker 1: just nitpicking because the issues for the guys the next

2311
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: tier are much worse.

2312
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 2: So I when I go to his pro day next week,

2313
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 2: this is my number one thing on the list, Like

2314
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 2: how does the zip look live? How does the ball

2315
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 2: coming out of his hand look live? Is it a

2316
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,679
Speaker 2: ball that gets on the receivers quickly? How to neighbors

2317
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 2: and Brian Thomas Junior, how do they catch it?

2318
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:09,600
Speaker 6: Like?

2319
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 2: Is it not that you want him to be throwing

2320
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour at people's faces or anything

2321
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 2: like that, but you want receivers to say, yeah, like

2322
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, these are these are strong throws. You know

2323
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,599
Speaker 2: these are throws that are that are getting on me quickly.

2324
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 2: So I'll definitely be looking at that. What I do

2325
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 2: like about Daniels though, and this is the one thing

2326
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 2: that I'll be looking for with May that has me

2327
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:33,639
Speaker 2: hung up on whether or not the Patriots are gonna

2328
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 2: love him as much as I think that they are

2329
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 2: going to love Drake May his release. How has he

2330
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:42,639
Speaker 2: worked on shortening his release? Tightening his release? He does

2331
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 2: have a longer throwing motion. It does take a little

2332
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 2: bit longer to wind up and have him throw the football.

2333
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 2: That's the one thing that I think clearly as a

2334
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 2: passer Jaden Daniels has over Drake May. Jane Daniels got

2335
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 2: a quick, efficient, very very nice, over the top release.

2336
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 2: Drake May's is a little bit longer, it's a little

2337
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 2: bit slower. There are concerns there about that ability. But

2338
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 2: at the same time he has so much more arm

2339
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,560
Speaker 2: strength that if he is a little bit slower to it,

2340
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 2: he can make up for it just by driving the ball.

2341
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 2: But I think the bigger concern is more about, you know,

2342
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 2: the arm and how far back it goes and leaving

2343
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 2: it vulnerable to sacks and hits and things like that,

2344
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 2: which had does happen on film at least on one

2345
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 2: occasion that I can remember. So footwork, I don't think

2346
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 2: you're going to get glean much from Drake May and

2347
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 2: footwork because there's no pass rush right, so everybody's footwork

2348
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 2: looks great when there's nobody trying to kill him in

2349
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,679
Speaker 2: the pocket. But I do think that it's only natural

2350
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 2: to throw the way that you throw. So if he's

2351
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 2: worked with the quarterbacks coach, if he's worked with one

2352
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 2: of these gurus, you know, Jordan Palmer or Quincy Avery

2353
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:48,560
Speaker 2: or somebody like that, on tightening up his release, I

2354
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:51,800
Speaker 2: think that would be encouraging to see that happen. That's

2355
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 2: the one thing that I look at with the Patriots,

2356
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:59,440
Speaker 2: and I you know, with mcadoo's influence, with avp's influence,

2357
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,560
Speaker 2: ability to get the ball out quickly, that short compact

2358
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 2: release to you know, there's pressure, you got to get

2359
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:09,879
Speaker 2: it out fast. Drake May, is you have that ability?

2360
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 2: Does he not? I think Daniels maybe I would favor

2361
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 2: him a little bit more in that category. So what

2362
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 2: are you looking for with May? And and you know,

2363
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 2: do you have any concerns that you're looking for to

2364
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 2: to quell?

2365
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: I mean the mechanical things definitely right where his mechanics at.

2366
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be more consistent in that regard.

2367
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:28,679
Speaker 1: But my issues with Drake May aren't thinks you're gonna

2368
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: see in a proday, Like you said, it's it's the

2369
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 1: decision making. Yeah, the pressure thing also doesn't necessarily bother

2370
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:38,280
Speaker 1: me as much. My biggest problem with Drake May is

2371
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 1: too often he passes up what would be a good

2372
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:43,600
Speaker 1: play to try to hunt a great play. Yeah, and

2373
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 1: sometimes he makes a great play, but in the NFL

2374
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen as much, and he does need

2375
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 1: to be better at just like I would sit down

2376
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:54,600
Speaker 1: with him and just be like, if you have a

2377
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 1: five yard slant, take the freaking five yard slant. Stop

2378
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 1: trying to throw the ball thirty five yards into a

2379
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 1: contested window when you have the five yard slaant, right,

2380
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 1: And you don't want to totally new to the kid either,

2381
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 1: and you want him to have, you know, the opportunity

2382
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: to use his natural talents. But I just he needs

2383
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 1: to to take a profit more. He needs to not

2384
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: be I don't want to take away the whole gun

2385
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 1: slinger thing, but he's not going to have as much

2386
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 1: success with some of the circus stuff. What are you

2387
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 1: grinning about?

2388
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 2: You know who you're describing right now?

2389
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 1: I know exactly who I'm describing who I know who,

2390
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 1: And they never fixed him.

2391
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:27,640
Speaker 2: This is why you hate him.

2392
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't hat Drake May because I no, no, no, I'm.

2393
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 2: Not saying you hate Drake May. I'm saying you hate

2394
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 2: the other guy, right, but can you just say it?

2395
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 2: Because the people are like people are like who the

2396
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:38,759
Speaker 2: hell they talk? The problem is they've never fixed Josh Allen.

2397
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 2: They still let him do all the dipsy do bowl whatever,

2398
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 2: and it's awesome game. I knew that we were going

2399
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:46,040
Speaker 2: to get to this point in this draft cycle.

2400
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:48,200
Speaker 1: This is why I like Drake May because I think

2401
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:49,960
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity to take that guy.

2402
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:53,640
Speaker 2: And actually, how do you learn Drake May because his

2403
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 2: his ceiling call his compas Josh No, I've said this.

2404
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: Because I missed the boat on Alan, I missed the

2405
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 1: boat on Herbert, and clearly there's something in that makeup

2406
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 1: that works that I've been missing and I'm not going

2407
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: to miss the boat again. That being said, yeah, can

2408
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 1: you take that guy and instead of doing what the

2409
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 1: Bills did and just giving him the key to the

2410
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 1: city for leading the league in turnovers, can he actually

2411
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 1: work with him iron some of that stuff out and

2412
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 1: not just make him a good quarterback, but actually a winner.

2413
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 1: Drake May is rad not set his stupid, annoying ways.

2414
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:31,520
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. That's the difference because he's younger, and he's impressionable,

2415
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: and can you just take some of that out of

2416
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 1: his game? I do.

2417
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 2: I So I see both Herbert and and Josh Allen

2418
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 2: in the in the we're talking about sealing, sealing, ceiling, right.

2419
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Like, he's he's I see, but justin Herbert physically, he's

2420
01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 1: Josh Allen mentally.

2421
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 2: So I think that he's I think he's just pure

2422
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 2: Josh Allen because with Josh Allen, all of the concerns

2423
01:51:56,360 --> 01:52:01,640
Speaker 2: were accuracy, footwork, mechanics, level of competition, which I know

2424
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 2: the a sec is higher than Wyoming, but it's still

2425
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 2: not great. Right, Like, there's so many of the same

2426
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 2: things that we heard about Josh Allen, and I'm the

2427
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 2: same way. I'm the same way as you. I did

2428
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 2: not see it with Josh Allen. I thought this is

2429
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:16,719
Speaker 2: a guy that couldn't hit a broadside of a barn.

2430
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:20,640
Speaker 2: I didn't really see it with him either. But I

2431
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 2: feel like we have to evolve and we have to

2432
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 2: learn a little bit.

2433
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:26,920
Speaker 1: That's kind of where like, clearly this guy can work

2434
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 1: is where I'm at, But can you make him work

2435
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 1: without the missteps that Buffalo's made with him? Because there's

2436
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,439
Speaker 1: a reason he hasn't won anything.

2437
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 2: Who's run the division for five years? And yeah, and

2438
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 2: then what and then what's happened? Yeah, so ran into

2439
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes.

2440
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you yes, because I was on

2441
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 1: felger Mas this week and Felger actually asked me a

2442
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 1: very interesting question because we talk about if you think

2443
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 1: there's a franchise quarterback at three, and we qualify that

2444
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 1: as like, if you think there's a guy that can

2445
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl? Right, Yeah, there's a franchise quarterback three.

2446
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 1: Do you take him? Do you still trade the pick?

2447
01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:00,200
Speaker 3: What ever?

2448
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 1: And fella grasps me. What if they draft Jared Goff

2449
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 1: third overall? Would you consider that a success? And what

2450
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 1: I said to him, which Jared Goff, Well, I said

2451
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,360
Speaker 1: yes because here's the thing totality, Jared Goff made a

2452
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with the Rams, He's been to multiple conference championship, he.

2453
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 2: Made a Super Bowl a Jimmy g Okay.

2454
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:25,840
Speaker 1: So let me make my point. Everybody would say Josh

2455
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 1: Allen's better play than Jared Goff. I would even say

2456
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 1: that who's had more success? Which team has done better

2457
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 1: with the pick or, in the case the Lions, the trade,

2458
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 1: who's had more success Jared Goff. No, don't don't put

2459
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 1: me Jared Goff's. It's Jared Goff.

2460
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 2: It's barely Jared Goff. I mean both of them made

2461
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 2: it like he made it so Jared Goff has won

2462
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 2: an NFC championship game and Josh Allen's just made it

2463
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 2: to a champion.

2464
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 1: Goff made another one.

2465
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:56,480
Speaker 2: I just think that there's such a big, stark contrast

2466
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:59,639
Speaker 2: of what's on those two players shoulders in those situations.

2467
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 1: Point the drafting the quarterback is not the end of

2468
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 1: the process, it's the beginning of the process, because even

2469
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 1: if you draft the right guy, it's what you put

2470
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 1: around him that matters. And to your point on how

2471
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:17,000
Speaker 1: do I like Drake may if I don't like Josh Allen.

2472
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 1: Outside outside of adding Stefan Diggs, which was a great move,

2473
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 1: the Bills have not done enough with the rest of

2474
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 1: that team. They never got the wide receiver too. The

2475
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 1: coach is terrible.

2476
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 2: I think that the thing with Josh Allen that you see,

2477
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 2: let's put let's draft. He needs to be he needs

2478
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 2: to be superman for that team to win.

2479
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 1: But that's is that about him or is that about

2480
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 1: the team? Did the team choose to. So what if

2481
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 1: you took that guy and put him in a situation

2482
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 1: where he doesn't need to be Superman all the time.

2483
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think you can do that because

2484
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 2: I don't.

2485
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 1: Can you not do that?

2486
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 2: Because I don't think that he That's not how he

2487
01:54:57,240 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 2: plays like his his The way that Josh Allen plays

2488
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 2: at an MVP level is to be Josh Allen. And

2489
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 2: but okay, so he's not gonna be Jared Goff. He's

2490
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 2: not gonna he's not gonna take the layups and dice

2491
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 2: you up underneath and do that.

2492
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 1: Josh Allen was enabled in that role by the Buffalo

2493
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 1: Bills for years.

2494
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:15,040
Speaker 2: He still is.

2495
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 1: Oh what I'm saying is you have a fresh slate here. Yeah,

2496
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 1: you tell Drake may Hey, you can be Superman sometimes,

2497
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 1: but when it's not working, we have other directions we

2498
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 1: can go with it. Set him up with that opportunity.

2499
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: When of the Bills ever had a CounterPunch to Josh

2500
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 1: Allen being a circus clamp, They've never had that. They've

2501
01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 1: never had that.

2502
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 2: Even though I'm just telling you right now, I hear you,

2503
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:41,160
Speaker 2: and I hear what you're saying. But I'm telling you

2504
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 2: right now. If if the pick is Drake May, the

2505
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 2: experience is gonna be like Josh Allen doesn't have to

2506
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 2: be that. It's gonna be, doesn't It's gonna be the

2507
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 2: exact same down to the developmental track. Like if he

2508
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,080
Speaker 2: plays as a rookie, it's gonna be ugly, He's gonna

2509
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 2: throw picks, it's gonna be you know, Josh Allen his

2510
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 2: rookie season, I think I had what like it was

2511
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 2: like nine to nine team I think is something like

2512
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 2: that was his TV behind t terrible. By year two

2513
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 2: he was he was.

2514
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 1: What happened They got him to fon Diggs and everything

2515
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 1: changed because Diggs is the best player in that offense,

2516
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 1: and you hope the Patriots get player.

2517
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:13,560
Speaker 2: Is not a bad take, especially now.

2518
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh he suddenly got so good when a top five

2519
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 1: receiver in the league arrived, that must have been all

2520
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:22,520
Speaker 1: him and he suddenly got so good, Never all of

2521
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 1: them for anybody. All I'm saying is I've said this

2522
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 1: about the Bills for years, Evan. It doesn't need to

2523
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 1: be the way it is with Josh Allens choose to

2524
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 1: make it that way. No, I think he choose to

2525
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 1: make it that way.

2526
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:34,880
Speaker 4: Is not.

2527
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 2: He's not a precision passer like his he's a haymaker

2528
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 2: like he's not. He's not.

2529
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:43,480
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is the reason they've never bothered to develop

2530
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 1: a run game. Josh Allen's no is a different reason. No,

2531
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 1: it's not, it's not. It's they. They always steered into

2532
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 1: the skid with Josh Allen and was he's gonna be

2533
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:54,480
Speaker 1: a rat.

2534
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:57,520
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about the pass game, like Josh Allen

2535
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 2: is not. That's and pick you apart.

2536
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:02,840
Speaker 1: But that's not his. But that's not what I'm saying.

2537
01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They said, Josh Allen's a ratic, So let's

2538
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 1: just invest all our money in, in all our resources

2539
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 1: in guys with a massive catch radius and run for

2540
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 1: verts all the time. And that's what we're gonna do.

2541
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:17,839
Speaker 1: They were like, we're gonna.

2542
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:19,320
Speaker 2: Start him to the North Carolina offense.

2543
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:22,280
Speaker 1: Right, I'm saying, if you're the Patriots, you don't have

2544
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 1: to go down that path. You can be like, hey,

2545
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna supplement this with the run game. We're actually

2546
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:28,920
Speaker 1: gonna you know, knock him and tell him when he's

2547
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 1: doing things wrong and try to change his game rather

2548
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 1: than enable it. How many offens. You're missing to turn

2549
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:37,000
Speaker 1: through the one guy around him. He missed it well

2550
01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 1: and then he left. It's you're missing the point though,

2551
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: you're not. You can't just tell him, hey, Josh Allen,

2552
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 1: start taking these throws because he's not good at making

2553
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 1: those throws. So you can't just make him into something

2554
01:57:49,200 --> 01:57:52,000
Speaker 1: that he's not. You're asking him to be like an

2555
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 1: efficient precition pass. I'm not saying.

2556
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:55,840
Speaker 6: He is.

2557
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 2: Literally, you know, he is like the NBA is now,

2558
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:02,760
Speaker 2: Like he's like a three point show. These bonds away

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