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Speaker 1: really good one, Silver NFL Insider. But first, fake questions,

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin, The Packers have moved davant A Adams to

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Speaker 1: the Raiders for draft picks. What do you think Aaron

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Speaker 1: As I've said many times, I never try to get

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Speaker 1: into Aaron rodgers head. It's murky, but I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: You're seeing it now. Cedric Wilson gone, Amari Cooper gone

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Speaker 1: all that guaranteed money. He got fifty million a year.

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Speaker 1: He's still a third teen and a half percent cap hit.

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Speaker 1: Don't win super Bowls in this league if your quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: over a twelve percent cap hit. Unless you're Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: cap league, even with star quarterbacks, is a value proposition.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be the highest paid blank in

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Speaker 1: make cuts. Aaron has always been about Aaron. He's not

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Speaker 1: about winning. He'd like to win. It's more fun to win.

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Speaker 1: He has always put Aaron and money ahead of everything else.

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin Baker Mayfield, you sort of called it, didn't you.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to brag, but yeah, Colin, you nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Tell us how you new? Well, I figure if you're

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Speaker 1: as forty two or forty three year olds, like a

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, if you looked at his history, was going

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Speaker 1: Could he show emotional discipline? It wasn't hard. He'd grabbed

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Speaker 1: that not just his talent, has always doomed his success. Pilots, surgeons, quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: It's unfair, but I need you, at twenty three years old,

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin, Why did the Rams sign Alan Robinson a

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Speaker 1: He said perimeter talent was getting harder and harder to

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin. Once again, this week Los Angeles goes out

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Speaker 1: But ten years ago Silicon Valley, based in California started

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Speaker 1: Cronky does not. His California businesses. His holdings are doing

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Speaker 1: those picks to draft someone that they are eyeballing, that

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Speaker 1: good as Davante Adams. But you know, remember how Deshan

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Speaker 1: Watson was when they got rid of DeAndre Hopkins. He

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Speaker 1: didn't really enjoy that. That was the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: end with him. It would be understandable, even without all

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Speaker 1: the history, for Aaron Rodgers to be apoplectic if they

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Speaker 1: got rid of Davante Adams without him being part of

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Speaker 1: the plan, and if they didn't give it all the

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Speaker 1: recent history, he should retire today or you know, force

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Speaker 1: his way out today. So one of those two things happened.

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Speaker 1: I They're both very surprising to be scenarios, and I

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Speaker 1: guess we'll find out in due time what's going up. Well,

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Speaker 1: Davante is going to get a five year deal from

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. That's what I'm by the way, great great

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Speaker 1: move by Dave Ziggler and Josh McDaniels coming in hot.

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Speaker 1: I loved them training a got way, getting Chandler Jones

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Speaker 1: book nding them with Crosby. And now you're giving Derek Carr,

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Speaker 1: his college teammate and close friend, you know, the ultimate

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Speaker 1: security bank blanket. You're putting the you know they've tried

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Speaker 1: so for so long to get a guy. Rugs obviously

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Speaker 1: turned out to be a you know, horrible this Mike,

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Speaker 1: Darren Waller, Josh Jacobs, Hunter, Renfro, Derek Card, Davante Adams,

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Speaker 1: left tackle, Colton Miller. That's an elite offense. Period, That

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Speaker 1: is an elite offense. And you've got Bookkendage rushers who

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Speaker 1: are monsters. So the defense at the very least has that.

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Speaker 1: Now you're in a division with Mahomes, Russell and Herbert,

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Speaker 1: which is a you know, murderers row of six Games

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Speaker 1: of Hell, and you know you've got to compete in there.

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Speaker 1: But man, that you gotta give Dave Zikle and Josh

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Speaker 1: McDaniels a lot of credit. You know, for years and

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Speaker 1: years I had a belief on what the league was

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Speaker 1: and because of rule changes, Mike, I really we had

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Speaker 1: lunch recently and I don't know if I mentioned this

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Speaker 1: among our many by the way covert discussions, covert the

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Speaker 1: league has really become quarterback weapons, pass rush league. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it really has. I mean, you don't have to have

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Speaker 1: oh Line Cincinnatio line met linebacking cores in the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl Rams Bengals Weakness, safety doesn't matter. It's really quarterback

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Speaker 1: weapons because the three step drop back offense, you've got

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Speaker 1: to have nimble, twitchy athletes who can get to the

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Speaker 1: quarterback fast. You don't have to have a great offensive

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Speaker 1: line because you're not asking them to sustain blocks for

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Speaker 1: seven seconds anymore. And I look at this now, Green

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Speaker 1: Bay has an elite quarterback, no longer has elite weapons.

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Speaker 1: And I would say I love Kenny Clark, but does

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Speaker 1: not have an elite pass rush. This doesn't feel like

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl team to meet, Mike. I don't put.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like with Tom coming back to Sean

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Speaker 1: potentially going to the Saints or Atlanta, Matt Stafford and

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Speaker 1: the Rams, who, by the way, get Alan Robinson, so

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Speaker 1: that's another weapon. I mean, this morning, I look at

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. Let's just forget Aaron and how this lands

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Speaker 1: for him. I don't know, Mike, this is not a

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Speaker 1: talented enough team. Yeah again, instant reaction and the caveat is,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a work in progress, and let's see

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Speaker 1: what gets done between now and August September. But as

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Speaker 1: good as they looked last year on paper, and you

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Speaker 1: know buck Tari's injury, you know, after he came back

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Speaker 1: a little and you know the offensive line injuries, Elton

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Speaker 1: Jenkins that week in them Chayer Alexander came back, probably

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Speaker 1: wasn't himself. If you extrapolated, say they get all those guys,

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Speaker 1: they look like a juggernaut. But yeah, I mean for

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Speaker 1: you know, as it stands right now, and I believe

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Speaker 1: they will try to find answers here. But as it

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Speaker 1: stands right now, what are the Packers like when Aaron's

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Speaker 1: not thrown to Davante Adams? Well, we saw that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've seen that plenty of times. They get they're efficient,

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Speaker 1: he's good, he gets the ball out. They can win

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Speaker 1: in specific situations, but he doesn't trust those guys like

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Speaker 1: he does Davante and um, you know they don't get

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Speaker 1: open with the regularity that Davante doesn't. How many times

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Speaker 1: on third or fourth down, you know, red zone or

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Speaker 1: anywhere on the field when they just need a few

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Speaker 1: yards do you do they just sprint Davante Adams, he

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Speaker 1: beats a guy off the line, he gets open and

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Speaker 1: gets that. You know, it's it's it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like giving the ball to Jim Brown in the

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Speaker 1: old days, you know on third or fourth and two,

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Speaker 1: like you're getting it, you know. So they don't have

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Speaker 1: that they you know, they lost the areas that there

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Speaker 1: really wasn't there for most of the the last year. They

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Speaker 1: still have Preston Smith, Vander and Campbell played a big

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Speaker 1: role for them. Jayre will come back. They'll try to

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Speaker 1: get my soul Douglas back. But yeah, you know, and

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Speaker 1: Rashaun Garry has gotten better. But they I'm I'm presuming

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Speaker 1: that by the time they suit up if they're really

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Speaker 1: trying to win the Super Bowl, and they have to

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Speaker 1: be because of what they did to their cap and

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Speaker 1: what they did essentially, you know, Okay, Jordan Love, we

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Speaker 1: don't care that we drafted for the first round. It's

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Speaker 1: all about Aaron. It's all about now, if you really

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Speaker 1: think you can win the Super Bowl, you gotta have

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Speaker 1: at least one more prominent weapon and probably too, and

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Speaker 1: you got to have an edge rusher. And the Rams

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Speaker 1: have Alan Robinson, O b J Robert Woods, Cooper cup

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Speaker 1: Van Jefferson. Well they don't. He's a free agent and

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Speaker 1: he's hurt. But yeah, yeah, but they have the other

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Speaker 1: ones and Tyler Higby and Cam Akers coming back healthy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now again, it's not a word, you know, just remember

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Speaker 1: trades can be made. Right now, what I suspect the

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Speaker 1: Packers have decided Again, I'm not sure if Aaron is

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Speaker 1: part of this, but I think what they've decided is, Man,

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Speaker 1: we've tried every cap trick in the book, and we

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Speaker 1: you know, even though Aaron is only counting you know,

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Speaker 1: X against the cap, it's still a lot. We've tried

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Speaker 1: every trick in the book. We still care about these

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Speaker 1: other things. If we if we then pay Davante, we

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Speaker 1: don't think we can really do it. So I think

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Speaker 1: the play is we got to get some guys on

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Speaker 1: rookie contracts who are difference makers. So now they have picks,

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Speaker 1: they hopefully for them to have a receiver who can

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Speaker 1: step in the way Justin Jefferson did. Now that's that's aspirational.

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Speaker 1: If you get Justin Jefferson type, it's still not Davante Adams,

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Speaker 1: and it still takes time with Aaron, but you can

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Speaker 1: you know that would be big. Well, that's that's that's

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Speaker 1: the key. Aaron with his own family has trust issues.

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Speaker 1: That's manifested itself in his football. He's not overly trusting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you watch that playoff game when that wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: When that tight end drops a ball, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: back to the tight end. This is a trusts Randall cop.

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Speaker 1: He trusts Aaron Jones, he trust him on to adds

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Speaker 1: and he has built He trusts Mercedes Lewis. He's not

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Speaker 1: a guy. This is this is you always become as

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, Mike your personality. Same as a talk show host.

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Speaker 1: She becomes your personality. I mean Tom, he's he's ingratiates

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Speaker 1: himself with people. Tom's very good. He's a people person.

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Speaker 1: That's what he is as a quarterback. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: Stafford is a little loose. As we saw at the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl parade, can get can be a little loose.

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Speaker 1: He's a little loose as a quarterback. He's kind of

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Speaker 1: a go for it guy. He's a little loose. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's his personality. Like you become your personality. So asking

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Speaker 1: Aaron to suddenly, let's say the Packers draft two receivers

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Speaker 1: with these picks, this is this gonna be a quick

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Speaker 1: learning curve. And that's not Aaron's history, I guess, is

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Speaker 1: my point. Well, hopefully what Aaron will do is whoever

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Speaker 1: that receiver is, We'll get a call and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a quarterback camp and you know, before they

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Speaker 1: allow us to even come to OTAs, I'm doing a

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Speaker 1: thing in California or wherever you're coming, and we're gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna hang out a load each other.

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Speaker 1: But that's assuming Aaron is part of this plan. That

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Speaker 1: is it breaking out. So yeah, and you've probably got

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Speaker 1: to go get an edge rusher two. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's you know, now, no team is granted,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, an entitled but to be a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl contender every year. But if you have Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: that you're paying them, you better view yourself as a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl contender. And obviously the last two years, two

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Speaker 1: teams that have gone after it and loaded up have

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Speaker 1: been validated in the Rams and Bucks. And both those

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Speaker 1: teams are doing it again, by the way, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you better find a way to get after it. Make

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I love you so much is

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Speaker 1: you're so connected and have so many good stories. If

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Speaker 1: I didn't know better, I would swear the Patriots are tanking,

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00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: So Damian Harris, let him go to Atlanta. J C.

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Speaker 1: Jackson best corner, easily, let him go to the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Shack Mason, let them go to the box. Mike, they're

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Speaker 1: not paying their quarterback. It's a quarterback weapons edge rusher league.

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Speaker 1: If you Buffalo goes gets von Miller. I said today,

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Speaker 1: if you took the Bills and the Patriots ten best players,

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Speaker 1: only David Andrews and Matthew Judn make the list. They've

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Speaker 1: got no elite players. I mean, what the f is

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Speaker 1: going on? I mean, Mike, it makes no sense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're obviously dealing with some sort of an identity crisis,

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Speaker 1: which is not, you know, necessarily shocking, given that they

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Speaker 1: lost a huge part of their identity. And Brady and

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Speaker 1: then he went won the Super Bowl with the Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. Man, remind you here's what it was. It was. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Tom's gone, you know, what whatever, We'll roll with, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll roll with our guy Jared Stidham. Then we'll just

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Speaker 1: show that the Patriot way works. And then they were like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Cam Newton, Cam Newton's a better option.

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Speaker 1: And then it didn't go great. Bill through the phone

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Speaker 1: when they lost to the Bills late twenty twenty and

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Speaker 1: free agency hit last year and they were like, enough

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Speaker 1: of this crap screw that we're paying. I know it's

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Speaker 1: not very Patriot, but we got cap room and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go pay. So yeah, we're getting Matthew Jude On.

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Speaker 1: Great signing. By the way, we're gonna go get Johnny Smith.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a great signing. They haven't figured

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Speaker 1: out how to use them quite yet. You know, they

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Speaker 1: loaded up and got all these guys. Okay, they were better,

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Speaker 1: and you know they beat the Bills without passing, and

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Speaker 1: people were like, oh, everyone knows it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: Brady Patriot super Bowl. Just wrap your head around it.

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Speaker 1: What really happened. What really happened is they played the

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Speaker 1: Bills in a playoff game and literally could not stop

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Speaker 1: them from scoring a touchdown. The Bills scored a touchdown

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Speaker 1: every single time except for a Neil down right. If

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Speaker 1: you watch that game, it was like a seven on

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Speaker 1: seven tournament, like these high school seven on seven tournaments.

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Speaker 1: One team had the five stars, one team had the

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Speaker 1: three stars. It was such a physical mismatch. And so

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Speaker 1: so it begs the question if you were so undone

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Speaker 1: by not making the playoffs the first year while Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady went and won the Super Bowl with the Bucks,

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Speaker 1: and you were like, screw that, we're spending and loading up.

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Speaker 1: We'll show you. Shouldn't you be more undone by the

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Speaker 1: fact that your division rival who used to be your patsy,

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Speaker 1: it mattered that you couldn't even dream of stopping them

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Speaker 1: from getting into the episode. It was, as you said,

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Speaker 1: five stars versus the three stars, maybe two stars. And

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Speaker 1: so your reaction to that now is, yeah, we'll get

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Speaker 1: rid of some guys. And even though we got a

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Speaker 1: quarterback on a rookie deal, we're not gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna try to go get guys. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, we lost Josh McDaniels. Let's not understate that

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Speaker 1: a really, really, really accomplished offensive coordinator. And now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know Bill's there and they always kind of make

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Speaker 1: it work. But it's a new offensive coordinator, it's a

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, and they don't seem to have a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys. Now, am I torn up about this? No?

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Speaker 1: I think it's nice that the rest of the league

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Speaker 1: gets to share and content for championships. And I'm just

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Speaker 1: you know, nobody, you know what the truth is, no

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Speaker 1: one will cry for them. Yeah, And also, how you

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Speaker 1: treat people on the top is how you'll be treated

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Speaker 1: when you're eroding. Bill was brutal, dismissive. Ye, they were arrogant,

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Speaker 1: and now they're paying a price. Nobody has any sympathy

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Speaker 1: for him, nor do I because you know what, say

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Speaker 1: what you want about Brady, but he would take that

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Speaker 1: podium for twenty years and he was almost always humble

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Speaker 1: and gracious, winning or losing. Now, his personality in Tampa

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Speaker 1: we see the fun Tom, the little cockier Tom. But

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Speaker 1: when they were on the top of the world, he

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Speaker 1: was mostly pretty gracious. Belichick wasn't always with the media. Similarly,

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Speaker 1: while I tend to side with Baker in terms of

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Speaker 1: the handling of the situation, I mean I was out

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Speaker 1: on an island and I know, you were one of

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Speaker 1: the few people who at least visited me on the island.

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Speaker 1: But you know, being close to Hugh Jackson, Hugh Jackson

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Speaker 1: got fired because he lost him in the games. We

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Speaker 1: get it, obviously he got fired. But after he got fired,

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Speaker 1: and I know from talking to Hugh that he felt

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Speaker 1: like he and Baker were cool and he liked Baker,

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Speaker 1: and obviously Baker didn't feel that way. That's fine, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a disconnect. But Hugh Jackson then took a job

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Speaker 1: after he got fired with the Bengals, and right afterwards

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Speaker 1: they played the Browns and who was on the sideline

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Speaker 1: and Baker taunted him flat out taunted him while beating

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Speaker 1: him and then called him fake postgame, and it was

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Speaker 1: pretty brutal. And I remember saying at the time, hey,

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Speaker 1: this guy's a rookie. Now that that same year, there

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Speaker 1: was talk that John Harbaugh was going to maybe get

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Speaker 1: fired during the season. I imagine if Lamar Jackson, after

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh had been fired and then gone to the

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Speaker 1: Bengals and was standing on the sideline, had gloated and

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Speaker 1: taunted and talked crap about John Harbaugh, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the optics would have felt different to people,

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Speaker 1: but everyone thought, oh Baker, he's you know. I love

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Speaker 1: his edge, I love his bravado. He lost a lot

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Speaker 1: of games. You know, that's a proud man who Jackson,

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Speaker 1: who coached for a long time in the NFL. And yes,

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Speaker 1: lost too many games and got fired by the Browns.

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Speaker 1: But I was just trying to work, and so I

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Speaker 1: I thought Bicker came off like an unprofessional punk in

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Speaker 1: that moment, and I said it now, So I'm on

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Speaker 1: his side right now. But I also am not crying

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Speaker 1: for him, because now he maybe understands what it's like

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Speaker 1: to get cast out when you don't perform well enough. Yep,

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Speaker 1: you re put to So Mike Silver, you're busy, go

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Speaker 1: chase stuff. We'll talk soon, buddy. You're awesome, thanks man.

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Speaker 1: And eventually we will announce something and it will be

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Speaker 1: overt and not covered the volume