WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Times They Are A Changin' 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.080 Hi, Get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and this is the 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:10.039 Bengals Booth podcast, The Times They Are a change. In addition, 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.400 coming up an in depth conversation with my broadcast partner 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.360 Dave Lapham as we discuss an unusually active offseason for 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.160 the Bengals. Lapp will tell us how good he thinks 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.320 left tackle Cordy glenn is, why he considers Preston Brown 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.720 to be one of the biggest steels in free agency, 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.480 and why he was right and I was wrong when 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.400 it comes to Tyler Eifert. Plus, as a former offensive lineman, 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.960 Lapp will explain how a Frank Pollock coached OH line 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.440 is likely to be different from a Paul Alexander coached 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.559 OH line. We'll hit those topics and many more in 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.960 a thirty minute conversation, and in a new edition of 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.199 Fun Facts, we'll get to know new middle linebacker and 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.200 Cincinnati native Preston Brown. Preston, by the way, is his 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.840 middle name. His given name is Mike Brown. All of 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:02.120 that is coming up at first, Here's a quick reminder 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.640 that you can have the latest edition of this podcast 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.640 delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.360 on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play. It's the greatest invention 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:19.560 since the raiding suitcase. That's our ad n. It has 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.320 a built in battery pack so that you can charge 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.600 your devices at the airport or anywhere on the road. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.440 I am a big band all right. Time to discuss 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.880 a highly productive offseason to date with my broadcast partner 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:38.760 Dave Lappholm Lap. The Bengals have been uncharacteristically aggressive this offseason, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.000 trading for a guy with a big contract like Cordy Glenn, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.320 signing free agents like Preston Brown in the prime of 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.480 his career. Why do you think they're behaving this way? 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.280 That's a good question, Dan. I guess only they can 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.440 answer that. I'm glad to see it, though. You know, 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.200 when the season ended wrote down some needs left tackle, 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:05.320 defensive tackle, linebacker, safety, center, and they've they've addressed, you know, 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.760 quite a few of them in free agency. So I guess, um, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.480 when a guy like Corty Glenn became available, I think 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.480 that was a big surprise to even them. You know, 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.519 I don't think that they anticipated a guy that caliber 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.520 being being available in a trade because, honestly, you know, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.840 looking at him when he's healthy he's he's he's upper crusted. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.960 I mean he's he's a good player. Big body guy, 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.720 long arms, can really move and you know you say, okay, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.959 big body guy, longs Cedric awayhy, Well, what this guy 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.520 has is a lot more ballast. He's got anchorability. You know, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.799 he's got the athleticism that you have to have to 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.040 play left tackle, but he doesn't have the anchorability. And 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.720 talk about you know, straight a quarterback throw with accuracy 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.040 and anticipation. Straight a tackle is athleticism and anchorability, and 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.000 you got to have both. And you know everybody sees 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.200 the Cedric's deficient in that anchorability aspect. This guy's not 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.920 when they guy sits that people don't move him, he's 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.120 you know, he's a guy that will move people, and 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:09.040 people don't move him very easily. So I think I 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.600 think it's uh, you know, knock on wood. The health factor. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.000 If he's one hundred percent healthy, they got themselves, you know, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.160 a special player at the left tackle position. That's big. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.919 He's three hundred and forty five pounds, so he's big. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.560 Who benefits more? Andy Dalton or Joe Mixon. I think 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.160 they both do. Really, you know, I think that. I 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.760 think he's he's a very aggressive, you know, blocker in 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.720 the running game and athletic can get to the next level. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.360 He can pull, he can run, he can do all 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.200 the things that you need to have done. You know, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.480 he's good in space, uh, you know, and obviously with 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.120 the Andy Dalton's blind side, you know, being a big deal. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.320 And I think sometimes that's even a little overrated now 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.640 in today's NFL. I mean, you look at the last 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.440 couple of Super Bowls. The players that were made to 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.800 determine Super victories came right off the front side of 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:02.440 a quarterback, you know, forcing fumbles, pressuring and causing turnovers. 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.320 So I think you have to be strong across the 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.120 board in today's football in terms of protection. But I 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.360 think they both benefit. And you know, the other thing is, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.240 you know you mentioned Joe Mixon. Everybody's looking for the 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.800 running back now they can not only run the football, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.240 but catch it. You know, everybody wants that complete guy. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.359 They you know, they want the bell guy, the bell cow. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.160 You know, like Pittsburgh has, well, Bengals have two, they 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.839 have two, No ten, how many teams in the NFL 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.960 can have a one show a one two punch like 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:40.159 the Bengals due with Joe Mixon and you know Giovanni Bernard. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.039 They both are excellent running the football between the tackles 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.680 and outside. They both run routes like receiver, and they 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.320 both catch a ball like a receiver. So I mean 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.640 there's a lot of benefit there. We know the Bengals 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.200 left tackle Cordy Glenn, we know the left guard Clant Bowling. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.040 Who's going to line up at the other three spots? 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.720 What's your best guess? That's a great question. You know, 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.320 the draft obviously hasn't taken place yet. I'm sure they'll 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.839 they'll address, you know, all those spots in the draft. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.480 I know they'll address tackling center in the draft. They 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.200 have to. Um, you know, they'll they can line up though, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.360 you know at the center position. Trey Hopkins could could 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.839 play that spot. T J. Johnson would be the guy 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.240 to line up at it right now. But Trey Hopkins 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.960 with long arms, I mean, I look at Trey Hopkins. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.160 Uh Dwight Stevenson the best center I ever saw play 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.719 one of the reasons and Tim crum Right, who played 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.880 against them, said that he was unbelievable. One of the 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:40.320 big things. Long arms that that big long leverage at 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.480 the center position is huge. Something as simple as moving 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.279 the ball out a little bit further because of those 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.599 long arms and establishing a neutral zone that's bigger a 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.400 short arms center. All of a sudden you crowded the ball. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.440 You're right under the right under his face mask. You know, 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.600 the center can at least gives himself a little bit 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.240 more space even with the lineman getting over the football. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.640 Pouncy the Pouncy brothers are like that, a long arm center. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.280 There's some advantages too, and there's advantages you know, in 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.400 leverage and pass protection, run blocking at the center position too. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.520 Dwight Stevenson was great with, you know, with that leverage, 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.560 and I see Trey Hawkins is maybe doing you know, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.320 some of that sort of thing with some of these 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.640 centers that are long armed, you know. But and T. J. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.600 Johnson is very, very smart. He can make every call 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.280 there is to make. So and then obviously there's there 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.279 could be rookie candidates involved there, and personally I'd line 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.800 Redman up at right guard and see what he can do, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.120 because then you talk about another guy that moves people 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.640 and doesn't get moved. A big deal now, in today's NFL, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.279 as we know, Dan is that interior pass protection keeping 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.640 giving the quarterback not only time but space. Quarterbacks hate 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.520 people in their face. I don't care who it is, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.120 Tom Brady all the way down to whoever. If you 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.520 can maintain a pocket that has some depth to it 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.720 and give the quarterback space and time. And I think 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.160 Redman's that kind of guy. I don't think they'll bull 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.520 rush him, and I think he'll move people inside. I'd 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.919 i'd kind of like to see how he would do 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.400 out there. And honestly, I watched a little tape of 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.720 Heart playing right tackle for the Giants before he got hurt. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.040 He's playing pretty darn well. You know, he's another guy 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.640 that this guy's got some size to him, six five, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.400 three hundred and thirty four pounds. I mean, he's he's 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.600 he's a big guy. And obviously the Bengals thought a 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.240 lot of them, and I would think Frank Pollock being 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.520 in that division, you know, so I him played twice 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.480 a year, so I'm sure he was probably okay with 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.040 probably had a lot to do with with signing the kid. 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.320 Let's talk about Frank Pollock before we move on to 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.200 other topics from the offensive line. How will a Frank 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.520 Pollock coached offensive line look different from a Paul Alexander 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.320 coached offensive line. I think it'll be a lot more 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.840 aggressive in terms of capturing the line of scrimmage, you know, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:53.240 with with both attitude and technique. We witnessed it down 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.120 in Dallas when we went down there, and they just 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:01.360 they manhandled the Bengals inside everywhere side outside. I mean 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.600 there weren't holes, there were canyons, you know to run through. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.320 And Ezekiel Elliott, you know, had had a big day, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.040 but it all started with what that offensive line was doing. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.320 And um, you know I was interested to watch them. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.600 You know, there's horizontal splits and then there's vertical splits. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.200 You know, and you take a horizontal split. You'll change 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.720 your splits depending on what the players trying to influence 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.920 the defensive player, whether they're split. There's you know traditional 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.840 two foot split, three foot split garden center two foot 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.440 three foot between garden tackle. Well, then you can get 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.719 off the ball, you know, you can crowd the line 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.560 of scrimmage, you can get back. You have to have 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.319 your helmet at the numbers of the center when he's 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.319 over the football. You can't get too far back or 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.720 the officials will penalize you when you You'll hear every 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.480 once in a while seventy seven wasn't on the line 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.000 of scrimmage, wasn't close enough to line of scrimmage. If 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.400 the guard, you know, sets too far back and then 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.680 the tackle sets broke it back from him, you can't 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.160 set up like an umbrella. But if you all set up, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.520 you know, to the center's number, that's legal. And they 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.000 would play with those vertical splits when they were double 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.160 team and to come downhill instead of sidestepping drop stepping, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.559 and they would come downhill they take a little bit 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.120 of a deeper set at the line of scrimmage and 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.959 even run plays they'd line up off the ball a 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.200 little bit more so. I mean, I think we're going 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.840 to see them attacking um you know, that line of scrimmage. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.720 My philosophy is that way. I mean, you can't you 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.000 can't win the line of scrimmage, you can't capture unless 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.960 you attack it. I think we're going to see that. 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.960 I think I think we're gonna see tackles jumping um 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.520 showing if they have the athleticism to do it, jump 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.240 defensive ends and not set so deep and catch, you know, 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.320 jump them in stemium pretty quickly at the line of scrimmage. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.880 Anthon Winniels was as good as I ever seen doing that. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:48.800 He's in the Hall of Fame for a reason. But 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.960 there are there are guys in this football team, in 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.880 this locker room that that are capable of jumping people 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.240 at the line of scrimmage. And I think we're gonna see, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.240 you know, hopefully farmer pockets for Andy Dalton and and 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:02.359 in that running game be a little bit more aggressive. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.120 All right, Let's move on to middle linebacker. Preston Brown 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.720 signed to a one year deal for about five million bucks. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.840 He's twenty five years old, led the NFL and tackles 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.200 last year. Played in one thousand and ninety eight of 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.960 one thousand, one hundred and eight snaps for the Bills 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.120 on defense, so he never came off the field. Honestly, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.120 I'm a little bit shocked he was available for a 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.120 one year deal. I'm stunned. I mean to me that 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.319 that has to go into the category of one of 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.559 the biggest steals a free agency. It really does. I mean, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:36.800 this guy's what fifty pounds plus and can run you 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.920 know he's on the field in the nickel and dime 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.560 sub packages. That's that's a remarkable, uh remarkable thing. I 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.960 mean you're on the field all those snaps. You're going 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.679 to have a chance to lead the league in tackles. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.360 And he did, you know, one hundred and forty four tackles. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.199 You know, sometimes tackles can be a little bit dicey. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.640 Some organizations give tackles if within an arm and making 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:01.559 them in the in the pile of bodies, there's an assist, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.240 there's another assist. But say say twenty of those occurred, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.959 one hundred and twenty four, twenty five tackles. Still amazing, 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.320 But you're on the field a lot of all those snaps, 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.040 you can you can rack those up. And he runs 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.800 the field. I mean he'll run it sideline to sideline, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.040 he'll come downhill, stuff the running game. He's you know, 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:22.080 really good with his drops. He's a complete linebacker. And 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.520 to get him for a one year deal for five 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.720 million dollars, I think when all of a sudden done, 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.880 when the season starts, people are going to say wow 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.880 that and then as it unfolds and see the contribution. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.440 I think he's going to make to this defense. I 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.240 think it's going to be one of the major steals 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.000 of free agency. I was stunned a big deal when 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.839 they made it, and then it got even bigger when 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.920 we learned the news that Vontz Berfect has his annual 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:49.640 beginning of the season suspension PEED related this time around, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.080 and unless it's reduced, he's out for the first four games. Yeah, 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.360 it's going to be interesting to see what happens there. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.199 I know he's got an appeal, you know that's going on. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.160 I know back in the day, and this is way 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.640 back now, when Lyle Alzado and how he Long we're 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.880 playing together with the Raiders in the NFL. I remember 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.200 how he Long mentioned to me that Zato was trying 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.960 to talk him into using something to expedite his healing, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.120 you know, like between games or even in the off season, 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.840 particularly after surgery. So it's you know, guys take different 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.800 things for different reasons. And you know, I don't I 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.720 don't know what Vontes did, if anything, but um, you know, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.480 sometimes guys think, all right, well, if I'm not playing, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.079 my season's over, I might want to try to heal 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.760 up as fast as I can get into a good 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.959 workout routine and pattern. Sometimes mistakes can be made. Who knows, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.920 who knows what took place, But there's there's stuff that 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.600 needs to be reviewed by the league, and hopefully, hopefully 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:52.360 Vontes is a strong case. But those peed suspensions aren't 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.760 overturned regularly. It has to be a very, very strong 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.440 extenuating circumstance. So we'll see how it unfolds for Vontes. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.240 On the Tyler Eiffort next late in the season last year, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.000 I said to you, you know what, Lap, he's going 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.960 to sign with the Rams. His buddy Whitworth is going 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.199 to talk him to coming out to La the weather. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.360 It will be nice. You're a good looking cat. We'll 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.040 get your TV ads and commercials and stuff like that. 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:17.760 And you said, no, I don't think so. I think 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.080 Tyler Eiffort's the kind of kid, the way he was raised, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.640 that he's going to feel some loyalty for the Bengals 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.600 for not being able to play very much the last 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.360 couple of years. That's exactly the way it played out. Yeah, 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.000 I mean, once the Bengals matched what the Rams and 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.760 forty nine ers, and you know what was involved in 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.959 that Rams deal. You know, he had had an opinion 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.439 in a voice in it and the forty nine ers, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:42.319 I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo having Tyler Eiffert in the red 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.040 zone and even as a security blanket, so you knew 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:49.080 what they were thinking. Two young quarterbacks that are on 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.040 the uptick. You know their graph is going up. Both 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.079 organizations said. Tyler Eiffert is a scoring machine. I mean 0:13:55.559 --> 0:14:00.120 touchdown makers have value, particularly red zone touchdown makers, to 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:04.920 the level that he is able to produce. So, once 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.080 all things being equal, Tyler Eifert did stay with the 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.600 Bengals like I hope he would think, And it's incentive. 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.800 Leyden could be as much as eight million, but it's 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.720 going to be a you know, at least five million 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.280 dollars could creep up to eight eight a little over 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.400 eight million dollars, and it's gonna my opinion is probably 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.920 based on playing time alone, you know. I mean, if 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.240 you get him out there, he's gonna put numbers up. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.000 So the question is you're gonna get him out there, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.560 So if he's out there, he's gonna put numbers up. Pam, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.000 it's fair. It's a fair, fair deal for everybody else 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.720 sides involved. And he has a one year show, and 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.200 he's got a bet on himself and hopefully the football 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.760 God's cooperator. He stays health and he puts up crazy numbers. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.280 I go into it thinking, all right, if he somehow 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.680 played sixteen games, fantastic. I'm not even gonna hope for that. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.640 I'm gonna hope he's healthy enough to play three quarters 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.360 be on the field for twelve games. If he does, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.720 there'll be a very productive twelve game. I was thinking 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.880 the same thing, Dan, I was thinking twelve to fourteen. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.480 You know, if he misses a couple, I mean they should. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.880 Tyler Croft has proven that he's capable. And the thing 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.920 is now with Tyler Croft development, you have two tight 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.280 ends that can produce in the red zone. I mean 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.720 a two tight end package. Everybody. For a while that 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.040 was the hot thing. You know, the Patriots had the 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.360 two tight ends set with Gronk and Hernandez, and you 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.280 know then Baltimore tried to get a ton two tight ends. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.480 It does a lot of things. It makes the defense 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.120 even things up in terms of how they line up. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.080 From a formation standpoint. You balance things, you can be 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.120 balanced offensively. You make the defense balance themselves. As a 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.680 result of that, I mean, there's a lot of a 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.880 lot of good reasons to have a two tight end, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.400 two capable tight ends set available to you to mix 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.200 into your personnel groupings. And the Bengals have that. Now, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.480 the Chris Baker's signing isn't one that has people doing 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.040 cart wheels, but for a stretch of four years I 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.400 guess in Washington, and he was highly productive. Got the 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.520 big deal last year with Tampa Bay three years on 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.720 nearly sixteen million dollars, and it didn't go well with 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.000 the Bucks. So the Bengals get him on the cheap 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.120 one year, three million bucks. And if the coaches that 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.600 he played for in Washington, Jim Haslett and Jacob Bernie 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.520 can get him back to the level that he played 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.720 for with the Redskins, it could turn out to be 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.080 a great move, no question. And I think that's you know, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.680 that's a big factor is he's got a relationship and 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.920 you trust. There's trust both ways, not just player to coach, 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.200 but coach the player as well. There's trust on all levels. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.080 And you know, you hear glowing, effusive praise back and 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.400 forth when you hear Jim Haslet, Jacob Bernie and Chris 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.120 Baker all talk about each other, so you hope that 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.520 that synergy is going to be big. The other thing 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.480 is a former player you made You worked hard to 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.800 get the big deal. You make the big deal, then 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.040 you're humbled. What do you do it didn't work out? 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.360 You know you didn't get all the money. Okay? Are 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.879 you going to assume the fetal position and say you 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.880 know that's it? Or you're gonna have a bounce back 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.800 season prove that you know what. It didn't work in Tampa. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.919 But that's not me. I'm who you saw in Washington, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.119 and I'm not going to assume the fetal position. I'm 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.800 going to bounce back and show everybody this is Chris Baker. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.879 So hopefully there's some of that going on in his 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.679 mindset too as he gets ready in the offseason. And 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.240 I think it's going to be comforting to him as 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.640 he attempts to have that bounce back year with familiar 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.680 people that he had success with. I think that all 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.879 that's up to potential success again. The Bengals signed a 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.160 veteran backup quarterback candidate, and Matt Barkley. I remember them 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.200 having a second round grade on him when he came 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.200 out of USC turned out to be a fourth round 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.160 draft pick by the Eagles, but obviously he's the leader 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.840 in the clubhouse right now to be Andy Dalton's replacement. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.960 They're hoping a Jeff Driscoll comes back healthy after breaking 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.000 his left arm. But the question is, after all of that, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.680 how high do they draft a quarterback with eleven picks? Yeah, 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.040 that's a that's a great question. Um, you know, are 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.560 they going to draft a quarterback that that if there's 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.840 one that they maybe had as a second round grade 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.399 that's there in the fourth round, they may say, you 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.600 know what, he's going by their board, this is a guy. 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.760 How can we not take this guy that's the best 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.600 player available as this quarterback? Here we are in the 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.840 fourth round. We had him as a as a two 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.840 A in the early part of the second round. What 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.040 about the third Then they've got two third round picks. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.280 Could they even take the plunge that early? They could? 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:35.040 They could maybe the second third round pick, um, you know, potentially, Yeah, 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.320 it all It all depends on how you know. There's 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.439 going to be an early run on quarterbacks. There always is, 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.920 And now they're saying that, you know, in the first 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.960 five picks could be four quarterbacks who knows, but there 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.800 it could be Uh, it could be interesting to watch 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.280 that all unfold. But then how far down will the 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.520 next tier or slide, you know, um, and will there 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.320 be one that just falls for no real good reason 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.440 other than you know, everybody else's needs and just decisions 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.600 made prior. So yeah, I mean I do think that 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.919 they will. They will draft one. It's a question of 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.919 how high. I think they'll be true to their board. 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.400 I don't think they're going to reach for anybody at 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.760 the quarterback position, but I think they'll be true to 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.640 their board and see how it all pans out. Talk 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.040 about some guys that aren't back, beginning with Russell Bodai 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.000 and the Bengals apparently tried to sign him to a 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.760 long term deal. He elected to take a shorter deal 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.560 with the Buffalo Bill so he is essentially betting on himself. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.480 What did you make of the Bengals interest. I think 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.680 it was based on a lot of things that Marvin 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.080 Lewis talked about. The biggest being the available He never 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:41.040 missed a game. You know, he was durable and uh, 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.919 you know, availability and accountability or two big abilities to 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.639 have in any position in the National Football League. And 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:52.639 he provided that. So, you know, I think that's the 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.360 one thing that every week, you know, as an offensive 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.240 line coach or as an offensive coordinator, we don't have 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.560 to worry at the center position. We got Russell Bodine, 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.600 and I gave him a certain level of comfort for sure. So, Uh, 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.160 there's you know, there's there's that question, whoever takes over 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.120 the center position, will that guy take every snap for 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.400 four years? Russell Bodine? You know, it's everybody has opinions 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.480 on player's level of play, no matter who the player is. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.639 They're Russell Bodine fans, Russell Bodine. Uh. People that weren't 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.800 as happy with his play, But the one thing they 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.160 all had to agree on he played hurt, he played hard, 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.960 he played every snap, and there's something to be said 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:33.960 for that. I think that's why they were thinking the 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.520 way they were thinking. The Bengals did not pick up 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.879 Adam Jones's option of five point three million bucks. They 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.960 have publicly said they're interested in bringing him back for 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.600 a cheaper price. What do you think the odds are 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.080