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Speaker 1: Hi, Get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and this is the

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Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast, The Times They Are a change. In addition,

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Speaker 1: coming up an in depth conversation with my broadcast partner

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham as we discuss an unusually active offseason for

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. Lapp will tell us how good he thinks

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Speaker 1: left tackle Cordy glenn is, why he considers Preston Brown

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Speaker 1: to be one of the biggest steels in free agency,

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Speaker 1: and why he was right and I was wrong when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Tyler Eifert. Plus, as a former offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: Lapp will explain how a Frank Pollock coached OH line

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Speaker 1: is likely to be different from a Paul Alexander coached

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Speaker 1: OH line. We'll hit those topics and many more in

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Speaker 1: a thirty minute conversation, and in a new edition of

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Speaker 1: Fun Facts, we'll get to know new middle linebacker and

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati native Preston Brown. Preston, by the way, is his

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Speaker 1: middle name. His given name is Mike Brown. All of

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Speaker 1: I am a big band all right. Time to discuss

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Speaker 1: a highly productive offseason to date with my broadcast partner

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Speaker 1: Dave Lappholm Lap. The Bengals have been uncharacteristically aggressive this offseason,

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Speaker 1: trading for a guy with a big contract like Cordy Glenn,

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Speaker 1: signing free agents like Preston Brown in the prime of

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Speaker 1: his career. Why do you think they're behaving this way?

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Speaker 1: That's a good question, Dan. I guess only they can

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Speaker 1: answer that. I'm glad to see it, though. You know,

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Speaker 1: when the season ended wrote down some needs left tackle,

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle, linebacker, safety, center, and they've they've addressed, you know,

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Speaker 1: quite a few of them in free agency. So I guess, um,

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Speaker 1: when a guy like Corty Glenn became available, I think

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Speaker 1: that was a big surprise to even them. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they anticipated a guy that caliber

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Speaker 1: looking at him when he's healthy he's he's he's upper crusted.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's he's a good player. Big body guy,

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Speaker 1: long arms, can really move and you know you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: big body guy, longs Cedric awayhy, Well, what this guy

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Speaker 1: has is a lot more ballast. He's got anchorability. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's got the athleticism that you have to have to

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Speaker 1: play left tackle, but he doesn't have the anchorability. And

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Speaker 1: talk about you know, straight a quarterback throw with accuracy

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Speaker 1: you got to have both. And you know everybody sees

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Speaker 1: the Cedric's deficient in that anchorability aspect. This guy's not

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Speaker 1: when they guy sits that people don't move him, he's

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that will move people, and

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Speaker 1: people don't move him very easily. So I think I

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Speaker 1: think it's uh, you know, knock on wood. The health factor.

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Speaker 1: If he's one hundred percent healthy, they got themselves, you know,

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Speaker 1: a special player at the left tackle position. That's big.

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Speaker 1: He's three hundred and forty five pounds, so he's big.

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Speaker 1: Who benefits more? Andy Dalton or Joe Mixon. I think

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Speaker 1: He can pull, he can run, he can do all

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Speaker 1: he's good in space, uh, you know, and obviously with

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Speaker 1: And I think sometimes that's even a little overrated now

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Speaker 1: other topics from the offensive line. How will a Frank

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Speaker 1: signed to a one year deal for about five million bucks.

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Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old, led the NFL and tackles

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Speaker 1: last year. Played in one thousand and ninety eight of

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Speaker 1: to find ourselves a left tackle. Right if they you know,

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Speaker 1: if they they feel like a kid from Notre Dame

425
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: who's everybody feels like it could be a decade long starter.

426
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: Clinchy that if Nelson's there, they jump on a hard beat,

427
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: they'll do cartwheels. Yeah, if they he should be long gone.

428
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: If he's there, I mean they better take him. Um.

429
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: But if mcclenchy's there, you know, now you got to think, okay, well,

430
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: would he I think he's a right tackle. I don't

431
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: think he's a left tackle, but I do I do

432
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: think he could play probably a decade at right tackle.

433
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: Do you say, all right, well, at twenty one, let's

434
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: let's draft him. Because this draft supposedly is you better

435
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: go early in the tackle position. There's other options available

436
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: in the interior alignment. Uh, it's it's deeper from more

437
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: rounds than it is in terms of excellence at the

438
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: offensive tackle position, which is kind of the reverse of

439
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: the norm a little bit. So you know, they make

440
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: a decision there. If mcglinchey's on the board, Um, if

441
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: if one of the one of the three centers, there's

442
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: three centers that everybody likes if one of them is gone,

443
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: Is that center a better Is he rated higher on

444
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals board that McGlinchey is as a tackle? Where

445
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: is there a bigger need? Is there a big gonna

446
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: need a right tackler at center? You've got your left tackle,

447
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: You've got your backup left tackle, which I think that's

448
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: what cedrical Way is going to be as a backup

449
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: left tackle. I don't think they're gonna mess with him

450
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: at right tackle anymore. I think they're gonna say you're

451
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: going to one position, You're gonna work at that one position,

452
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: and then let's see what happens. Maybe Frank Pollack can

453
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: bring something out of him that Paul Alexander wasn't able to.

454
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking from a technique standpoint, he's a guy,

455
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: he's he's a jump candidate. In my mind, he's a

456
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: guy that's athletic enough to go jump people and separate

457
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: and not give him a running start and try to

458
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: catch him and absorb him as body. You know, he

459
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: can't take that that bullrush. So yeah, I mean center.

460
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, if the Hernandez kid is there, people say

461
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: maybe he could even play center or guard. So you

462
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: know there's some options there at twenty one. They could

463
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: go offensive line, they might go safety. You know, they

464
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: had some serious conversations with Coleman before he signed with

465
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: the Saints. I think it was he took a big

466
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: deal with the Saints. So they're obviously not real happy

467
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: at this point. You know, with the ability to turn

468
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: people over at the safety position, they want a playmaker

469
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Speaker 1: back there. So is there a playmaker If one of

470
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Speaker 1: the safeties that they have rated on their board as

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Speaker 1: a top ten is there at twenty one, they may

472
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Speaker 1: jump at that safety. If one of the corners that

473
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Speaker 1: they've got rated highly for some reason slides because of

474
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks or whatever the case may be, you know,

475
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Speaker 1: they may go there again. Maybe there's a maybe there's

476
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Speaker 1: a corner slash safety that will play more safety than

477
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: he does corner that they currently have on the roster. Um,

478
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: you know, defensive tackle. Do they go defensive tackle at

479
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: twenty one? All depends on who it is, you know,

480
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: if it's a guy again, it's it's a guy. At

481
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Speaker 1: twenty one, they're in a spot to They're in a

482
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: position that they can wait and see if somebody slides,

483
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, they may have more options available to them.

484
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: They've traded down from twenty one to twenty seven before

485
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: to pick up additional picks they already have eleven. I'm

486
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: not really sure they do that. How many do you need?

487
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: But I think the fact is they're really really wide

488
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 1: open at twenty one, even more wide open than they

489
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: were at twelve. Get an extra third for losing Kevin Zeitler,

490
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: an extra fifth for losing Andrew Whitworth. They pick up

491
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: a fifth in the Corty Glenn deal and he's a sixth.

492
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: They get a couple of extra sevenths. As we said,

493
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: a total of eleven picks. Hard to keep them all,

494
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: but in any case, you get a bunch of potential talent,

495
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: and with between the roster and the practice squad, you've

496
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: got a chance to add some good, young potential stars. Yeah,

497
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: you do. I mean I think I think, you know,

498
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: everybody's like, you know, fifth round, having three fifth round picks.

499
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: There's value there, you know, And who's to say that

500
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: they may not bunch some of those and move up,

501
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: you know. I think I think there's more potential for

502
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: that this year than trading back. I think that we're

503
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: there a pixel positioned. I think they can they can

504
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: package and make a move up if they feel like, well,

505
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: this guy has slid to this point, I don't know

506
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: how much more he's going to slide. We really like them,

507
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: let's go get them kind of thing, no matter what

508
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: round it is. I mean, they've talked about doing that

509
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: even in the fourth round. The last two drafts, they've

510
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: talked about trading up for Bodine. They talked about trading

511
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: up for Shaw. You know, Shaw's a guy that might

512
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: play safety rather than you may play more safety than

513
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: the corner this year. So there's there's always guys that

514
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: there's there's good value in the fourth, fifth, in the

515
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Speaker 1: sixth round, and the Bengals have put their bat on

516
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Speaker 1: the ball and those rounds very very well as an

517
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Speaker 1: organization led by Duke Tobin. All Right, a couple more

518
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Speaker 1: topics before we wrap this up. The next thing is

519
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Speaker 1: the catch rule, which is being fixed, I guess is

520
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: the best way to describe it by the NFL. Now,

521
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: it sounds like if you catch the ball what we

522
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: have historically thought of as a catch, and take a

523
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: couple of runnings strides and then go to the ground

524
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: and it trickles loose, that's a catch, as it should be. Yeah,

525
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: I think I think now we're back to the old.

526
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: If you're sitting in a bar and you're watching the

527
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: game on a big screen TV and everybody looks at

528
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: each other, that's a catch. I think the NFL is

529
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: going to agree that it's a catch. The interesting thing

530
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: to me is going to be, you know, I can

531
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Speaker 1: remember in Baltimore in two occasions that Jermaine Gresham catch

532
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: was overturned. That Tyler Effort catch was overturned, both in Baltimore.

533
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: I understanding is what this new rule. They're both catchers,

534
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: and it sounds like that it's going to be closer

535
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: to the same. If a running back crosses the plane,

536
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: it's a touchdown, and if he gets hit and loses

537
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: control of the football after he breaks the plane, it's

538
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Sounds like that's going to be the same

539
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: way in football. If he breaks the plane with control

540
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: of the football, it's a catch. If he goes to

541
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: the ground loses or whatever, or even if he gets

542
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: hit after taking a step, we're making a football move,

543
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be a touchdown. I think

544
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: that was one of the biggest inequities or whatever in

545
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: the rule book is for a run and a touchdown catch,

546
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: the goal line was two different things. For a run,

547
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: the goal line basically ended it all. You had to

548
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: do the point of the football, the front tip of

549
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: the football. It's crossed the front tip of the goal line, touchdown,

550
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: no matter what not. So for a catch a touchdown catch, well,

551
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: now it's back to the way it was. It sounds

552
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: like Which Johnson the crazy catch he made for the

553
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos in the Super Bowl. He catches the ball

554
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: and as he's doing a somersault, loses control of it

555
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: and it was a catch. Then went in and catching today.

556
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: So now it sounds like it might be a catch again.

557
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: So they're going back to. Honestly, Dan, everything they've done

558
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: in the past decade plus has been to spur more offense.

559
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: People want to see thirty eight, thirty five. They don't

560
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: want to see ten seven. Well, the catch rule started

561
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: making it tougher to goal points, started to affect the

562
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: outcome of offenses. Fans want to see the big play,

563
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: Fans want to see the big score. So I think

564
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: that's why the NFL realizes we better go back to

565
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: the old way of the catch rule. Final question, who

566
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: has a bigger year next year, Buffalo Bill's quarterback AJ

567
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: McCarron or in New England Patriots running back Jeremy Hill.

568
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know, I think that I really think

569
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: that a J mccaren is gonna grab hold of an

570
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: opportunity here and they'll probably Buffalo take a quarterback very high,

571
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. But I do think that

572
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: that I think they're looking at AJ McCarron as as

573
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: being the guy this year, you know, you know, on

574
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: all probability, and I think that he'll he'll take a

575
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: strangle hold of it. I really do. I think Jeremy

576
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: is going to be in a rotation of It's interesting

577
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: now Jeremy Hill goes to the New England Patriots, they

578
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: just resigned Rex Burke had do a big contract and

579
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: Jeremy goes there for a bargain basement price of a

580
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: million bucks for a year. So now they've flipped roles basically.

581
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: And I know, I know that that the coach Belichick

582
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: loves him some Rex burkhead, and it'll be interesting to

583
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: see what he thinks of Jeremy Hill. So you've got

584
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: to think that Jeremy will be just he won't be

585
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: the bell cow. There's never really any bell cow in

586
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: New England. It's usually a since Corey Dillon, right, So

587
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: it's a combined effort, you know, and everybody's got their role,

588
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: and be interesting what the role Jeremy Hill takes on.

589
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: I think a j has a much bigger role this

590
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: year in Buffalo than than Jeremy may have in New England.

591
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: Lap excellent stuff. You are now free to resume playing

592
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: with your grandkids. Thanks, Dan, appreciate that. And it's there's

593
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: nothing like being a grand dad. You just wait and see, Dan,

594
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: just wait and see. I hope I'm waiting a long time.

595
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Since Sam Horde is eleven. Now time for a new

596
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: fun facts segment as we get to know the person

597
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: under the pads, in this case, a recently signed free

598
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: agent who was born in Cincinnati and is fired up

599
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: to play for his hometown team. Time for some fun

600
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: facts with Bengals linebacker Preston Brown, a Cincinnati native and

601
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: somebody who was almost destined to be a Bengal in

602
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: my opinion, because your initials are PB, as in Paul Brown,

603
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: Paul Brown Stadium, your dad's name is Mike Mike Brown,

604
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: and furthermore, you were a die hard Bengals fan growing up. Correct, Yes, sir,

605
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: And technically my real name is Mike Brown as well,

606
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: but my middle name is Preston, so that's what I

607
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: go by, all right. So if I'm doing the math correct,

608
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: you would have been about thirteen years old when Carson

609
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: Palmer blew out his knee in that playoff game against

610
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: the Steelers. How devastated was young Preston Brown? Pretty mad?

611
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: I mean throwing stuff at the TV. Everybody down in

612
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: the basement going crazy because that was the year we

613
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: were supposed to win a Super Bowl. I mean, everybody

614
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: was feeling it. First play, long long pass, We're like,

615
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: oh yeah, here we go. Then you look back at

616
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: the line of Scrimmas and he's laying there, rolling around him.

617
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I still can see it pretty vividly, and it's not good.

618
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: So you got the details down so I know you're legit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember that one. That one was tough. There's a

620
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Chad Brown or Chad Johnson fathead in your basement still, Yeah,

621
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: it's still down there. It's still down there next to

622
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: the Marvin Lewis bobbleheads and the t J. Husmin's out

623
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: of all of them up there all right, Preston, you

624
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: come from a football background. Your dad played college football

625
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: at Ball State. He was in training camp with the

626
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. How early did the football bug bite? You

627
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: think when I was like four, I wanted to start playing,

628
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't let me. So I started playing when

629
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: I was six with Hilltop in the College Shield. Then

630
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I think I try to retire at age ten, but

631
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: they taught me out of retirement. Your dad told me

632
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: that he had to carry your birth certificate around when

633
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: you played games out of town because, you know, fans

634
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: from other communities thought you were too old. Oh yeah,

635
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Speaker 1: I mean every time we went down to Avondale or

636
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: somewhere there, saying where's his birth certificated? Get the girl

637
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: man off the field. I mean everywhere we went. That's

638
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: how it was. And I was just I was younger

639
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: than most of them, but they always like like I

640
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: was an old guy. We're doing fun facts with Preston.

641
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: I read at age six that you actually studied game

642
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: film or video of your peewee games with your dad.

643
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: He had you great in tape at age six. Yeah,

644
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean my mom would record it and then we

645
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: would sit down in the basement and just critique what

646
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: I was doing wrong and what I did right. I

647
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: mean it was for real film study with him. I

648
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: mean it was he just wanted me to get used

649
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: to it. So after that I would watch what he

650
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: was coaching an aken or what word or with or

651
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: I would sit down and watch his tape, just trying

652
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: to find any tendencies that I thought was something that

653
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: was going on and somebody's stands like a little weird.

654
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: I would tell him something. I don't know if he

655
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: was paying attention, but I definitely picked up some stuff

656
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: to help me out. Today we talked to some guys

657
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: that really don't learn how to study the tape until

658
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: they get to the NFL. It sounds like that's something

659
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: that you had a pretty early grasp of. Oh yeah,

660
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean I just love learning about the opponent. I

661
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: mean I know everything. And we played the Bengals. I

662
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: had everything written down about those guys. I mean I

663
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: had anything you can think of, the Instagram name, how

664
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: many kids they got, what they what they major. I

665
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: mean I knew I wanted to know more just the player.

666
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I also read that when you were young, you and

667
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: your dad would get out at like five to thirty

668
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: in the morning and go for runs in the neighborhood.

669
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: Is that true? And what were some of the other

670
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: things that he had you do to develop your athleticism. Yeah.

671
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: We would definitely run through those college neighborhoods that five

672
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: six in the morning, people honking at us and stuff

673
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, it was just fun for me.

674
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: It was never something that he was forcing me to do.

675
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: I always say, hey, Dad, can we go for a run?

676
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: And he was like, all right, I'll be up at

677
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: five And we just went for runs and we would

678
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: do drills after practice or just anything I felt I

679
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: could get better by doing a little bit extra. So

680
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: he went to Northwest High School, had a great career there.

681
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: When you're a junior in high school, UC goes to

682
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: the Orange Bowl. When you're a senior in high school,

683
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: UC goes to the Sugar Bowl. You were all set

684
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: to go to UC and then Brian Kelly left for

685
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yah. Yeah, Brian Kelly left me. Never heard

686
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: from again at Notre Dame Bush Joees came in. I

687
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: went on to visit. It just didn't feel the same anymore.

688
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: And then I remember Solomon, ten of them from Roger

689
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Bakers said, I was scared of competition, so I was

690
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: scared to go there. So I ended up going to

691
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: Louisville and tried to beat them every time. But it

692
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: was definitely it was well, you had a great career

693
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: at Louisville. You went there at the same time as

694
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. He guys went to the Sugar Bowl and

695
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: beat Florida. Sounds like, you know that decision worked out

696
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: as well as it possibly could have. Yeah, I think

697
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: it was a good decision for me. I just saw

698
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: the defense what they had. I saw Brandon Spikes in

699
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: the way they had linebackers at Florida and what they

700
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: did to Cincinnati that game. I was like, well, I

701
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: want to be a part of that. One more dad

702
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: related questions. So you're at Louisville, he's teaching up in Cincinnati,

703
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: and I understand you guys would meet halfway between in

704
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: a Burger King parking lot to do drills. Yeah, I

705
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: mean that was the only place where it was like

706
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: a little grass area. We would go over there and

707
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: do some drills or put cones on the asphalt and

708
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: just find a way to get better. Because that was

709
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: a year I switched to mic linebacker, and he thought

710
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: it was gonna be differ from the playing outside on

711
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and things like that. So we

712
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: did a lot of things, just trying to make sure

713
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: I come downhill and take on blogs so get out

714
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: of the play action pass and just things that he

715
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: felt I needed to do at the middle linebacker spot.

716
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: So after a great career at Louisville, you were a

717
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: third round draft picked by the Buffalo Bills. Describe your

718
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: draft experience. It was fun. I mean I went around

719
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: telling everybody I was going in the third round. Before

720
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: I even was projected third round. I spoke it into existence.

721
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: I think should have said first round, but I mean

722
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: I said a third round, and I was just happy.

723
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: When I got the call, I saw it was a

724
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: New York number. I didn't know which New York team

725
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: it was, but then I realized there's only really one

726
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: team in New York, so it was Buffalo. I mean it.

727
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: We was excited. We ran up and down the street

728
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: and had a good time. You spend four years in Buffalo.

729
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: Bills fans are crazy. They call it the Bills Mafia.

730
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: Do you have a good Bills Mafia story? Oh? Shoot?

731
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I've seen videos, but I

732
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: haven't seen it in person. I'm seeing them jumping off

733
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: a table, tables lit on fire tables, and throwing girls

734
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: on tables. I mean they all really involved something with

735
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: a table breaking them in parking lots. So last year,

736
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: you're part of that Buffalo team that ends the longest

737
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: playoff droute in the four major sports. They hadn't gone

738
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: for seventeen years, and people they reacted like they had

739
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. Right, Yeah, it was. It was crazy.

740
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean you could hear a big roar from the

741
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: fans down in Miami and everybody was going crazy. It

742
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: was the locker room was going crazy, throwing water and

743
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: everybody crying and stuff, and it was it was a

744
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: big moment for that city. A few more fun facts

745
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: with Preston Brown. So you've signed with your hometown team

746
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: as a free agent. Is it true that you could

747
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: have taken more money elsewhere? Um, technically, I mean longer

748
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: deals and stuff like that would have been more money.

749
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: But I mean I felt like this was the best

750
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: situation for me, So it wasn't really about the money.

751
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter where I signed, it was gonna

752
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: be more money I've ever seen in my life. So

753
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: I still get excited when we get pretty m on

754
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: the plane. So I'm not leends and spending all type

755
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: of money like that. I just wanted to be where

756
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: I could be happy, So this was the best spot

757
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: for me. You live in downtown Cincinnati. You'll be within

758
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: walking distance of Paul Brown Stadium. How do you like

759
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: city life? It's fun, I mean now that I worked

760
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: down here, it's even cooler. I mean so, but I

761
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: would just walking around different spots, just finding different things

762
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: because there's so many different things in Cincinnati that people

763
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: don't know are down here. I mean I just showed

764
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: my mom the Abraham Lincoln Statute that she didn't know

765
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: was down there. So there's a lot of stuff down

766
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: here that people don't know about. Have you been on

767
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: the street car? Yeah, I've been on there a couple

768
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: of times. I wrote it around. I don't know if

769
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: I paid for a ticket, but I was. I was

770
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: on there. Your secrets safe with me and everybody else

771
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: listening to this interview. I've asked you several questions about

772
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: your dad. But your mom's interesting too. A certified NFL agent. Correct, Yeah,

773
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: she's she gets one point five percent, So everybody, I

774
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: got my dad a big TV just a couple of

775
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: days ago, and it's like, what did you get your mom?

776
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I was like, she got one point five percent, so

777
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: she could get whatever she wants. That's a very good answer.

778
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: It's great to have you in Cincinnati, look forward to

779
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: watching you play. Best of luck, and thanks for the time.

780
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's Preston Brown. Published reports say that Brown's

781
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: one year contract with the Bengals was for four million dollars.

782
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: If my math is correct, one point five percent of

783
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: four million is sixty thousand bucks. Not too shabby. That's

784
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Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of the podcast.

785
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Speaker 1: If you haven't done so already, don't forget to subscribe

786
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788
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Speaker 1: this podcast. I'm Dan Horde. Thanks for listening to the

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