1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Jimmy Rollins. Welcome to the Philly Show. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 2: Ruben Amara Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's a lucky It's the 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 2: Philly Show. It is Wednesday, January twenty first, twenty twenty six. 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: Boba Schett is a Met. JT Real Muto is a 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: Philly Dave Dombrowski and JT talked about it on a 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: Zoom call on Tuesday. 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: So let's get right, let's get going. Jim, I'm going 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: to start with you. I talked to you earlier today. 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: How would you describe the tone of a nearly forty 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: minute zoom call with with JT and Dave. 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, you and I both have been on a lot 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 4: of these type of Zoom calls or in attendance at 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 4: news conferences like this. Ruben has also been president at 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 4: them where he's been you know on the dais, you know, 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 4: you come, you announce a free agency and there's a 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 4: celebratory feel to it all. Six weeks ago, there was 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: a celebratory feel to the Zoom news conference for Kyle Schwarmer. 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 4: In fact, he sat in the rec room at his 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 4: house in Middletown, Ohio, in front of his bar. I 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 4: thought he was going to reach back and toast the 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 4: glass to the occasion Tuesday's news conference, to me, it 22 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 4: was starkly different. There was a real sober tone to it. 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 4: There wasn't that joy that you see at a press 24 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 4: conference announcing a free agent signing or the return of 25 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 4: a prominent free agent. And it was because I think 26 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: the way Dave Dombroski later described in essence losing out 27 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 4: on Boba Schet a gut punch, And you know, JT 28 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 4: was very open saying that he knew they had another opportunity. 29 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: He even said, you know, he admitted he thought he 30 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 4: might be not coming back. Dave was very open and 31 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: talking about that other opportunity being Boba Schett, and so 32 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 4: I just didn't feel I just felt like, you know, 33 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: the whole press conference just lacked the excitement that you 34 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 4: would see in a player returning or resigning, almost like 35 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 4: JT felt like a consolation prize. 36 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 5: So that's kind of what jumped out at me. 37 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 4: Dave was very open and talking about his desire to 38 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 4: get Bashett the bid they made, how it didn't happen. 39 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: So I thought it was kind of a remarkable news 40 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 4: conference on both ends, with both sides being very open 41 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 4: and both sides being very aware that we almost were 42 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: not at this moment. 43 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ruben, I want to ask you this question. 44 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: So JT basically he kind of he laid it out. 45 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I was, I was looking for somewhere 46 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: else on Thursday. I was basically knew I wasn't coming back. 47 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: They were going in a different direction, pursuing this other opportunity. 48 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't I'm sure Alec Bohm is maybe 49 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: some maybe paying attention to it. How concerned would you 50 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: be going into camp, you know, just about the vibes 51 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: of some of these guys. You know, is that a concern? 52 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Is it not a concern? 53 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: What do you think they're. 54 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 6: Well, the biggest concern that I have just looking from 55 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 6: you know, five hundred feet is, you know, the reality 56 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 6: of running this thing back because they're basically coming back 57 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 6: with the same team. 58 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: Now. 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 6: They do have and have had, you know, several things 60 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 6: that they did in the bullpen to improve the team, 61 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 6: and they are infusing and injecting, you know, some younger players. Obviously, 62 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 6: Crawford's get every opportunity to play center field. You're gonna 63 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 6: have Painter at some point, and maybe Aiden Miller at 64 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 6: some point, But other than that, you don't have a 65 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 6: whole lot of difference in that lineup. I think that 66 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 6: I think that the players understand in this day and 67 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 6: age that this is a business. 68 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: I think they understand this a little bit better than 69 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: they once did. 70 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, if I was JT, I'd be feeling 71 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 6: a little slighted as well. But he could have signed 72 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 6: a long long time prior to that. I mean, I 73 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 6: mean the offer that three year deal, and you talked 74 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 6: about a Jim and I think Todd you as well. 75 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 6: You guys had already sort of reported that you thought 76 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 6: that there was a three year deal that was that 77 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 6: was you know that he had in hand, And like November, 78 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 6: I didn't And I'll stand by this. I mean I 79 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 6: didn't necessarily agree that they should go to three years, 80 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 6: but they do have the player now, and they are 81 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 6: much better team, at least for twenty twenty six with 82 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 6: the player, with JT on the team, and they would 83 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 6: be then they. 84 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: Would be they didn't have the player. 85 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 6: So if that's what you got to do to get him, 86 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 6: uh yeah, it's an extra of what fifteen million dollars 87 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 6: or whatever it is that you instead of doing the 88 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 6: two years, you add another year, but that's sort of 89 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 6: the price. 90 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: Of doing business. And and you know, they got him 91 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: on their on their roster. I don't. 92 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 6: I don't think JT is going to be He's so 93 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 6: professional and he's such a great leader, and once he 94 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 6: puts a uniform on, he's going to be. 95 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: Playing for the Phillies. They both and that's all that 96 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: really matters. 97 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: They both admitted they, like I said, they were really 98 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 4: open and talking about a lot of the stuff that 99 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 4: went on. They both admitted that the impass, the difference 100 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 4: of opinion, the stalemate was over money, not years. 101 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: Over money. 102 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: Well, so it was really interesting to hear Dave Dombrowski 103 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: talk about the bobashett stuff. He was pretty open about it. 104 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: And I want to play a couple of clips. This 105 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: is Dave was asked right here, how close did they 106 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: think they were to getting Bobaschett. 107 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 7: I can't say that we ever thought it was done, 108 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 7: because there's a difference between we thought we were very 109 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 7: close to having a deal done. We thought it was 110 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 7: going to happen, but it wasn't done, and so there's 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 7: a difference between the two. And as I've explained, to 112 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 7: some other people that it's a situation where in baseball 113 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 7: and agents run things differently between themselves, they do things 114 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 7: in different ways. Until you sign a memo of understanding, 115 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 7: you don't have a deal done. And we did not 116 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 7: sign one of those. And it wasn't that we weren't 117 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 7: moving towards that direction. It isn't didn't think that we 118 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 7: were going to get there based upon our conversations, but 119 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 7: we did not get to that point. So I can't 120 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 7: say that I ever thought we had it. Not I 121 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 7: did think we were going to get a deal done. 122 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: That's tough. I will tell you from a person who's 123 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: been in there and been through that type of a situation, 124 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: that's a tough thing. 125 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 6: It really is a difficult thing because there are times 126 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 6: when I've gone to bed thinking even a smaller deal, smaller, larger, whatever, 127 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 6: where you think a deal is done and you wake 128 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 6: up the next morning and the deal's not done, and 129 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 6: I think, you know, that's what the power of the 130 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 6: player and the fact the power of the free agency market. 131 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 6: I mean, they basically have all the power and they 132 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 6: can make their decisions until a memo or a letter 133 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 6: of under agreement or a you know, a true more than. 134 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: Handshake deal is done. 135 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 6: You just don't know, you know where things go, and 136 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 6: you know people have been out there saying stuff like eight. 137 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 6: You know the Phillies got fleece, they got well, they 138 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 6: didn't get fleece necessarily. 139 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: The Mets decided to do something that was pretty drastic 140 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: to bring this player after they lost Kyle Tucker. And 141 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: that's the truth. 142 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 6: You can talk about all the things that they set 143 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 6: up all you want, but the reality of it is 144 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 6: they overpaid this player to bring them there to hurt 145 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 6: the Phillies and to help the Mets. 146 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned, Ruben that you've had that experience before. 147 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: Dave Dombrowski said that this is not the first time 148 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: this has happened to him, And I'm going to play 149 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: that clip right after these words. 150 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 8: Hey, like a bloated cell phone bill, it can consume you, 151 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 8: it can take over, it can be very annoying. 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I mean, you 182 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 7: feel it that day. 183 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: You are very. 184 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: Upset. 185 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 7: I guess is the way to say it. But you 186 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 7: have to pick yourself off and shake it off. I mean, 187 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 7: because you can't just wollow in what took place. So 188 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 7: after a day of feeling that way or a time period, 189 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 7: you need to move forward. And so that's how you 190 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 7: handle it. And again, it's happened to me more than 191 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 7: you could count in your career, and so that's what 192 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 7: you have to do. We did rebound in the sense 193 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 7: that we sign JT right away, which I'm very fortunate 194 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 7: that We're very fortunate he didn't sign somewhere else. 195 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeh. 196 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 3: Could you imagine we. 197 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 6: Left with the without you know, holding the bag and 198 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 6: they could have been And that's that's the difficulty. When 199 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 6: you have parameters. You know, there's a pizza, it's a 200 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 6: pizza pie. You don't have You only have so much 201 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 6: money to spend and you try to maneuver different ways 202 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 6: to get things done. 203 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: Imagine if JT had signed with Tampa Bay. 204 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 6: There's a rumor out there that Tampa Bay was pushing 205 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 6: on them, and they decided, you. 206 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: Know, hey, you know what, JT just I'll just take 207 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: this deal. 208 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 6: With Tampa Bay. And then and then you have Boba 209 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 6: Shitt signed with the Mets. That'd been a double gut punch. 210 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 6: So or at least they do have JT on their 211 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 6: on their club and he's an important piece. 212 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's uh Jim. 213 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: And then you asked Dave why I got one more 214 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: clip of Dave here. You asked him, which is Ruben? 215 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: You kind of alluded to it. Did the Phillies kind 216 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: of get played? Did they fleeced? 217 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: Whatever? 218 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, you asked him, do you think did he 219 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: did you think that Bobashett's interest in the Phillies was sincere? 220 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 7: I can't because you never know one hundred percent what's 221 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 7: going on from their perspective. I don't know where they were. 222 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 7: The Tucker thing signing played into it. I believe the 223 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 7: timing of it. I think, you know, organizations that are smart, 224 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 7: and the Mets and Dodgers are smart, Like I don't 225 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 7: know if Tucker would have gone to the Mets rather 226 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 7: than the Dodgers. That the Dodgers wouldn't have jumped into 227 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 7: it at the last second, and I'm sure they had 228 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 7: some feelers into it the timing and up. I do think, 229 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 7: and I could be wrong, so I'm not saying this 230 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 7: for sure. I do think he was sincere about thinking 231 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 7: about coming to Philadelphia, Yes, I do that. I think 232 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 7: he was. And I think what ended up happening is 233 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 7: the dollar numbers and that we were we were at 234 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 7: the numbers they really asked us to match, you know, 235 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 7: to pay. We're still going through some nuances, but I 236 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 7: think in that last in the time period that the 237 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 7: Mets jumped in full borahad and that it ended up 238 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 7: being that their short term offer ended up being so 239 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 7: much that they decided to take the short term offer 240 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 7: rather than the long term offer. I don't know that 241 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 7: for sure, but that's what it's appeared to me. 242 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 4: Short term offer with with I mean, it's very important 243 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: to point out forty two million for one year with 244 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 4: an opt out after one year. So if he has 245 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 4: a big year, he's right back out there trying to 246 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 4: get even bigger riches. So you know that opt out 247 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: and the potential of becoming a free agent again and 248 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: even making more money. Very attractive to Boba Shed. I 249 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: think the Phillies just had that. They couldn't go to 250 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 4: forty two. They have tax implications, They have an unwritten 251 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 4: I would say, unwritten policy against opt out. Dobroski doesn't 252 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 4: like them. Organization has not done them. A lot of 253 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: organizations don't do them. I personally don't like them. But 254 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: you know, he did say there's an open mindedness, but 255 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 4: it's not something they they want to do. 256 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean forty two million. He's going to 257 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: hit the free agent market next year at twenty nine. 258 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: Like I said, he. 259 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: Best deal for himself. He bet on himself and he 260 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: can't blame him. 261 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: And if he's terrible, he stays in and he's getting 262 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: forty two million dollars the next year, or if he 263 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: gets hurt or I mean, if he gets hurt or 264 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: he has a terrible year or whatever, he takes it, 265 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: he gets paid forty two million dollars. And then if 266 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: he goes off in twenty twenty seven and has a 267 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: monster year, he can opt out. 268 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: Then he'll only be twenty nine. 269 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: Right. 270 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 6: So what people don't really understand at times is that 271 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 6: in baseball, the deals are guaranteed. When you sign a 272 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 6: multi year deal, they're basically guaranteed that money is coming 273 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 6: to that player. 274 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Now, the opt outs obviously come into play. 275 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 6: It's not football, and they can't like become free agents 276 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 6: when they want to and like. 277 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: They can like in the NBA or whatever. There's totally 278 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: different rules. When you pay that player, he's you know, 279 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: you sign that contract man, that sucker's getting paid. 280 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 4: And the opt out, the opt out is power goes 281 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: to the player. The opt out, you know, the team 282 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: assumes all the risk. The player is sitting in high cotton. 283 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: It is classic having your cake and eating it too. 284 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 5: The opt out. 285 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 3: I mean, let me put it this way. I would 286 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: have done the same thing that Bobashett did. You know. 287 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: I had nothing else, There's no there was no memo, 288 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: memo was signed or anything like that, you know, agreement 289 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: or anything reached. 290 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to the New. 291 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: York Mets if they offer me fourteen million dollars more 292 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: without all that may Day you know, or or another 293 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: team I should say so. But anyway, so if you're 294 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: watching this on YouTube, don't forget to hit the subscribe button. 295 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: Help support the show. 296 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: We appreciate and of course always go to the Phillies 297 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: showshop dot com to get your Phillies gear. JT of 298 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: course talked at the beginning of it. He hopped on 299 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: for like the what the first ten fifteen minutes Ish 300 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: answered all the tough questions. 301 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: Why did it take so long? JT? 302 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: How does it feel to know that you know, you know, 303 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: you hear all this stuff about how you know how 304 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: great you are running a game and game planning and 305 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: pitch to pitch and you're such a leader, but then 306 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: when it comes time to contract time, it's like you're 307 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: thirty five and you didn't have a great year offensively. 308 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: And here's what JAT had to say about a lot 309 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: of those things. 310 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 9: The main thing for me, you know, I know how 311 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 9: the game works, and I know there's certain values on players, 312 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 9: and at the end of the day, I just value 313 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 9: myself and what I do for the team in the 314 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 9: clubhouse differently than what the Phillies did for a while. 315 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: So that's why it took longer than. 316 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: They maybe should have. 317 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 9: And as far as the team goes, I think we 318 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 9: shape up pretty good. I mean, obviously we had a 319 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 9: we had a good year last year, won the division 320 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 9: didn't didn't work out for us in the postseason, but 321 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 9: we're bringing a lot of the same guys back and 322 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 9: having some new some new good pieces, So I'm excited 323 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 9: for this year. It's definitely frustrating, you know. Like I said, 324 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 9: I I believe in myself and I bring I believe 325 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 9: that I bring value to the team, and I know 326 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 9: that I haven't had my best years the last couple 327 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 9: of years, but I do believe that it's not like 328 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 9: age or physically related. It's something that I can improve 329 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 9: on and work on and be. 330 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 3: Better for the years to come. 331 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 9: So it's definitely frustrating the way the system plays out 332 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 9: and the way that catchers are valued. 333 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: And obviously I. 334 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 9: Understand the aging process where everybody ages and everybody deteriorates, 335 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 9: so that side of what I get. It's just I 336 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 9: don't feel like I'm at that point in my career 337 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 9: yet to where I feel like I still have good 338 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 9: years left in me. 339 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 6: Where do you think, guys, Well, I mean, that's exactly 340 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 6: what you would hope that he would say. 341 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you want out of your athletes. 342 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: You want them to be confident in their abilities. You 343 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: want them to believe in this in themselves. It's not. 344 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: One of the most difficult things to do as a 345 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: player is to is to self evaluate all of us. 346 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: And I was a player too. 347 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 6: I thought I thought I was way better than I 348 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 6: really was, and I wasn't very good. 349 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: But you sort of have to. You have to believe 350 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: that otherwise you're sort of defeated. 351 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 6: And I think that JT's one of those players not 352 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 6: necessarily thinking. 353 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: That he's better than he is. I think that he 354 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: actually believes that physically he is just as good now 355 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: as he was a couple of years ago. 356 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 6: And if you looked at his workouts and his body 357 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 6: and the body of work, and the fact that he 358 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 6: catches as much as he does more than any probably 359 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 6: any other catcher, that sort of stands to reason. And hey, 360 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 6: hopefully some of the mechanical adjustments that he has to 361 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 6: make offensively to have better offensive years. 362 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: Maybe that can happen. 363 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 6: I mean, there are there are times when that can happen, 364 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 6: where you can make an adjustment and be better offensively. 365 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to doubt. 366 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 6: The guy because I know he's going to I know 367 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 6: he is dedicated to being the best player you can 368 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 6: possibly be every day, So I wouldn't bet against JT. 369 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 4: And within this difference of opinion that they had on 370 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: his value money wise, you know, his defense remains stellar, 371 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 4: his leadership of the pitching staff remains stellar. I mean, 372 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: he controls the running game quite well, to the point 373 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 4: where Zach Wheeler will tell you, you know, among the 374 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 4: reasons he became better when he came to Philadelphia, one 375 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 4: of them was JT. Because he knows JT will control 376 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 4: the running game, thus allowing him to focus on execu 377 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: shooting his best pitch possible. 378 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 5: And it's just hard to put. 379 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 4: A financial valuation on that. We tend and I think 380 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 4: teams tend to put, especially with position players, put so 381 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: much of the value on offense. And when you couple 382 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 4: that he declined last year with his age and the market, 383 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 4: you know, that's why the Phillies came in where they 384 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: came in. 385 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 5: So that's all part of it. 386 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting that, you know, we hear all 387 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: these guys talk about his importance to the team and you. 388 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: Can't put it. You can't put a dollar figure on 389 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: it though, you know, you just. 390 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: Can't be quantify. 391 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 4: You know, in the end, in the end, guys and 392 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 4: I kind of said this a few times, and I'm 393 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 4: going to stick to my guns. I think it was 394 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 4: an overpayment. Sure, what I have rather had J T. 395 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 4: Real Mudo at thirty five declining offense on a two 396 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: year deal. Yes, would you have done a two year deal? 397 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 4: Of course, that's that's that's a win. But I don't 398 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 4: mind them going the extra year for fifteen million dollars. 399 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 4: And I'll put it in perspective, they're paying eighteen million 400 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 4: dollars this year to their number seven starter, and they're 401 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 4: gonna pay nineteen million dollars to Nick Castianos to play 402 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 4: for somebody else. You certainly can go an extra year 403 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 4: and fifteen million dollars for a guy who's gonna, you know, 404 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 4: be a stalwart behind the plate and at worst is 405 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 4: an expensive backup three years from now. I'm not worried 406 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 4: about fifteen million dollars on a franchise worth three billion. 407 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 4: There are bad contracts already on this team. There are 408 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: contracts that are gonna end badly, that are gonna cost 409 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 4: them twenty five and thirty million dollars a year at 410 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 4: the end, I ain't sweating fifteen million dollars one year 411 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 4: overpayment we all probably agree it is. 412 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, because at the very worst, if JT continues to 413 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: decline offensively, at the very least, you're gonna have a 414 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: guy that runs a great game. And we talk on 415 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: this show all the time about the importance of pitching 416 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: and you know, defense and all that stuff. So at 417 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: the very least, you're going to have a very good 418 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: game planner, game caller that the pitchers love throwing to. 419 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, yeah, you'd love a guy 420 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: that's you know, Silver Slugger at that position every single year. 421 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: But you're right, Jim, there's other there's other issues that 422 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: play with the Philly success long term success than JT. 423 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: Real Muta what he's making in twenty twenty eight. 424 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: By the way, uh Todd, you mentioned silver Slugger some 425 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 4: interesting incentives, So oh yeah, Ji, the Phillies and real 426 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: Mudo came in with a big, big number out of 427 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 4: the gate Phillies offered. Their offer was like three years 428 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 4: and forty million or three years and forty two million 429 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 4: in that. 430 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 5: In that range, let's just say it. 431 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 4: Was three and forty two so they up it to 432 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: three and forty five fifteen per but he can make 433 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 4: each season an extra five million in incentives, and if 434 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 4: he goes out and has a good first half and 435 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 4: gets elected to the All Star Game, that's a. 436 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 5: Two million dollar bonus. That's a sizable bonus, No rubin. 437 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 4: Two million for All Star election, one million for an 438 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 4: All Star selection, one million for a Silver Slugger, one 439 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 4: million for a Gold Glove, and two million for a 440 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 4: top ten finish in the MVP voting. I just thought 441 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: those None of them are based on games played. All 442 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 4: these incentives are based on awards bonuses. 443 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 5: Awards. 444 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they and I guess teams have shied away 445 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 6: from some of these awards bonuses. 446 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: But listen, I don't mind paying for an All Star 447 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: catcher for an extra. 448 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 6: Two million bugs. It's heavy, big money. I don't remember 449 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 6: or recall doing one that big. I've had big bonuses. 450 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 5: I don't recall on that thing either from either. 451 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: That's that's pretty aggressive. 452 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 6: Listen, if the man has becomes an All Star, then 453 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 6: I'm happy to pay. I'm happy to pay because he's 454 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 6: doing his job win, win, selected or selected. 455 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely So okay, So what's next for the Phillies? 456 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: Right? 457 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 2: Everybody wants to know what's next. Despite reports the Phillies 458 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: are not expected to be in the running for Cody 459 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: Bellinger from Bravaldez and then the other reigning marquee free agents. 460 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: We've kind of been talking about this for a while 461 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: up until Boba Schett presented itself. We were gonna get Schwarber, JT, 462 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: then kind of go around the edges, get some depth pieces, 463 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: maybe get some starting pitching depth that seems to be 464 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: kind of where they are right now, and then I 465 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: want to This is a long clip, so I might 466 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: cut it out halfway through, but this is what Dave 467 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: said about what he likes about the team or what 468 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: what what might be coming next for the Phillies. 469 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 7: I think overall of the winter time, I like our club. 470 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 7: We have a good club. You know, I've just said 471 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 7: it's a situation. People forget we resigned Schwarbs. If we 472 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 7: hadn't re signed him, I don't know how it would 473 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 7: be feeling about the winter time, and as you could see, 474 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 7: there was a lot of competition for him. I look 475 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 7: at our club with signing JT, which was also a 476 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 7: priority for us, and if we didn't sign JT, and 477 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 7: no offense to the catchers that we have with Marshawn 478 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 7: and Stubbs, we would have been in a position we 479 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 7: had have tried to add somebody somehow someway, because I 480 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 7: don't think we'd have felt comfortable going through a year 481 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 7: without having somebody else back there. So bringing JT back 482 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 7: was huge for us. And when I look at our 483 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 7: positional players, they're good everywhere they go. We're giving a 484 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 7: young player an opportunity. We'll see what happens. Like we 485 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 7: talked about with Crawford and center field, Kemp in the outfield, 486 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 7: third base, having a chance to make our club. 487 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Staff. 488 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 7: We feel our bullpen I think has a chance to 489 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 7: be outstanding. Our starting staff the same way. I mean, 490 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 7: we're dealing with probably some depth issues. 491 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: That we'll see what. 492 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 7: Ends up happening and see if we can continue to 493 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 7: create depth in some ways. But we have a good club, 494 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 7: like our club, and I think you always have to 495 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 7: be open minded in the winter time to try to 496 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 7: get better, and that's what we try to do all 497 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 7: the time. And again they don't always become this public, 498 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 7: but we do that. 499 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: There you go. 500 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: So that's basically Dave talking about some of the offseason. 501 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: He also said that Nick Castianos will still not be 502 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: on the team. 503 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: Come. 504 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: I guess, I don't know if it's gonna be. 505 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: February eleventh pitchers and catchers or February sixteenth, first full 506 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: squad workout. They still plan to do part ways and 507 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 2: give him a change of sceneries. So I don't know, 508 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 2: you know, can they maybe they find somebody they'll take 509 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: take them for two million? Is that why they waited? 510 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: Is that why they dfaid West and Wilson today? And 511 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 2: I mean that has to be why, right, They're just 512 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: hoping and praying that they can find somebody to shave 513 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: at least a little bit off the twenty million dollar 514 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: salary that next getting. 515 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought he might be the guy that might 516 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 6: designate and and then move him, you know, within the 517 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 6: eight or ten days. 518 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: But we talked about that, I think in our last pot. 519 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, a little surprised about West and Wilson. 520 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 6: Although after you know, taking a little bit deep, deeper dive, 521 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 6: I think that the fact that he does not have 522 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 6: options was a big one, and the fact that you know, 523 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 6: Western Wilson's going to be playing for somebody somewhere. I 524 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 6: do believe this in the major leagues, he can be 525 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 6: a valuable extra player. He's got some talent and a 526 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 6: good dude and a good guy to have on a team. 527 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: Can run, he can play with our variety positions. 528 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 5: I think he do you think he gets through? 529 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 6: I don't know that he is on the waiver wire 530 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 6: yet they designate him, so they think try to trade him, 531 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 6: and I think that's gonna be a team. 532 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean, why would the Colorado Rockies not want this guy? 533 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 3: That's true? 534 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: Or why wouldn't Uh? 535 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 6: Although Colorado can wait because I think they had the 536 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 6: worst records, so they can wait. But if they think 537 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 6: there's another team that might be interested, then they might, 538 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 6: you know, be able to trade them for something. So 539 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 6: I just wanted to say one other thing, and I'm 540 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 6: gonna get too verbose here, but you know, people start 541 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 6: talking about the fact that you know, well, if they 542 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 6: were gonna pay you know, Bobaschett, then they have they 543 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 6: have all. 544 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: This money, They have all this money. Why are not 545 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: how come I'm making a run at Bellinger? How come 546 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: they're not making a run it? 547 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 6: Listen, Bobachett was a special player that they had special 548 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 6: money they would consider going extending for. 549 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that the dollars that's gonna 550 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: end up being to sign a guy like Bellinger. 551 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 6: That's that's extension that they you know, they're not going 552 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 6: to extend on on that player. 553 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: Just because they don't that's not the same fit for them. 554 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: Same thing with from ber Valdez. 555 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 6: I mean, he's a guy who's probably gonna end up 556 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 6: you know, the aa VS and then just the years. 557 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean you start comparing he and where Ranger Suarez were. 558 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 6: I can't imagine if Fraan ber Valdez will make less 559 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 6: money than Ranger Suarez. 560 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he will, but I'd be surprised by that. 561 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 6: So these are these are special circumstances that they that's 562 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 6: the reason why they were pursuing Boba Schett. 563 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, special opportunities. 564 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 4: This organization has a history of pushing it when presented 565 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: with a special opportunity, from Jim Tomey to Nick Castianos 566 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 4: a few years they they pushed it forward by twenty 567 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 4: million at the last minute to get him to the 568 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 4: Bobachette opportunity. And there's also some calculus there where you know, 569 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 4: they wouldn't have the payroll room conceivably to go for 570 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 4: another marquee free agent at this moment because they've committed 571 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 4: fifteen million to JT for twenty six and you know, 572 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 4: part of the budgeting budgeting for Baschet was subtracting JT 573 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 4: and also subtracting someone in the infield, most likely Alex Baum, 574 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 4: who was going to make ten million. So you know 575 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: that's where some of that budgeting came from. 576 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 577 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: So one other thing before we let go. We'll talk 578 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: about this on the next show. But the BBWA announced 579 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: its Hall of Fame vote on Tuesday night and Carlo 580 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: Beelcher and Andrew Jones are in. But some Phillies' numbers. 581 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 2: Chase Elly got it took a big jump from thirty 582 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: nine point eight percent to fifty nine point one percent, 583 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 2: finished third overall. Bobby Bray from nineteen point five percent 584 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: last year to thirty point eight. Jimmy Rownds, who we 585 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: hadded on the show for a couple episodes at the 586 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: end of the year, was eighteen percent last year up 587 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: to twenty five point four. And Cole Hamill's his first 588 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: year on the ballot twenty three point eight. So we'll 589 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: talk about that more on the next show. But yeah, 590 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: so some good numbers for Chase, you'd be feeling pretty 591 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: good for Chase outing. 592 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 593 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: So all right, guys, a lot of stuff today with 594 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: Dave and j T and Boba Schett. We'll be back. 595 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 5: See you guys, Smary lad boys, will you, Jimmy. 596 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 597 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 598 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.