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Speaker 4: Guys?

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Potter Rebellion.

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Speaker 3: This is Taylor Gray Ezra bridging here Specter six and

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Speaker 5: Everybody?

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Speaker 6: It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harris and Dula Specter

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Speaker 5: Have Hey, guys, what's up?

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Speaker 7: We've got Hey, everybody, it's your friendly neighborhood moderator John

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Speaker 7: Ley Brody and today we're going over Star Wars Rebels

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Speaker 7: Season two, episode twenty one, Twilight of the Apprentice, Part one.

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Speaker 7: But first, as always, it's checking time. It's good to

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Speaker 7: see your beautiful faces. How's everybody doing good.

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen you guys for a while. I'm happy

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Speaker 2: Yeah Field ten out of ten?

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Speaker 5: Oh good, Wow, that's that's great. I'm happy for you.

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Speaker 5: That's great. That's that's you got to fake it till

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Speaker 5: Thanks, thanks Vanessa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a new show coming out on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: March eleventh.

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Speaker 1: It's stars Nicole Kidman, Jamie Lee, Curtis, Bobby conn of, Volley,

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Speaker 1: I I play a copy and uh, it's not comedy.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's got a we all got a rally behind you,

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Speaker 8: So everybody rally watch the show.

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Speaker 5: Let's go, let's break the internet.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And this is what you were filming when we

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Speaker 5: Well, Tia and I had a magic moment.

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Speaker 1: Well part of my ignorance, but the story that Maul

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Speaker 5: It's fun. I'm glad we're doing this.

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Speaker 7: kind of came up with that cross cauard design, but

443
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,719
Speaker 7: really there was basic, like medieval design, and I almost

444
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 7: felt like Rebels was making sure people knew that there's

445
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 7: a long history of this design of lightsaber.

446
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 8: Yeah.

447
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 7: I don't know whose it is, but what I viewed

448
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 7: it as. And I'm so glad you brought that up, Taylor,

449
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 7: because as you know, Kyla Ren's lightsaber is red like

450
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 7: the color of Sith lightsabers, and this one was green

451
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 7: like Luke Skywalker's green lightsaber and returned the Jedi. But

452
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 7: I'm big on like what colors symbolize in film and

453
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 7: television animation, and with like green, it like symbolizes potential

454
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 7: where there's two ways that Ezra could go if he

455
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 7: actually fully invests in mall, he could become a Sith

456
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 7: or by the time Kyler Ren has it that corruptions

457
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 7: already kind of realized, he's already kind of bought in.

458
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 7: So it's almost like it was foreshadowing that Taylor as

459
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 7: I was going to have to make some sort of

460
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 7: a choice, and I felt like the use of like

461
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 7: a Kylo Ren cross guard saber was pretty cool.

462
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: Jedi colors on a sid kind we know to be a.

463
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, I think maybe I think I

464
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 7: don't know if it's a Sith design.

465
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 8: I feel like.

466
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, yeah, but asciate with this, yeah, fantously. That's

467
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: another thing in this episode is it's fun to see.

468
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think in this show yet we've

469
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: had that many what are we called the force Fielders

470
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 3: at the same time. To see all the different lightsabers together.

471
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 5: Like super cool.

472
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 2: Everyone had a different version which I thought was fun.

473
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 5: I like that spinny uh circular, that's that's.

474
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 2: Cool, which you can then turn into daggers or like.

475
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: Sick, I mean cool. Do we know I should have

476
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: looked this up? I'm sorry who voiced that character. I

477
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: was going to ask that that one.

478
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 6: I mean obviously we had the two inquisitors who have

479
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 6: been chasing us previously.

480
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 5: But the third one that pops up out of the

481
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 5: tie fighter, Yeah, that guy, I don't know.

482
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: And I mean, who was voicing and this might be

483
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: in part two? Apologies, but who was voicing the Temple?

484
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna I mean, that's that's next episode, right,

485
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: but that I was going to ask the same.

486
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 6: You know, I well, I was a little confused because

487
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 6: it sounded like Nika Futterman, and she's the voice of Assage,

488
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 6: but I don't think it was as Sage Mandris's voice

489
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 6: in the Temple. But I'm almost positive that she voiced

490
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 6: that because I remember asking Dave Filoney like, does this

491
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 6: mean Assage is alive?

492
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 5: What is going on? And he was like, Shuta, because.

493
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 6: I'm always campaigning for her to like rule the world.

494
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 6: But uh, yeah, I believe it was Nika Futterman.

495
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 5: We'll find out it's Robbie Damon as the eighth brother.

496
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 6: Oh wow, amazing, great.

497
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 5: Job, great job, Robbie. I wasn't there, but r.

498
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 6: So I also wanted to ask j C, who's probably

499
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 6: furiously at the moment, sorry buddy, But at the beginning

500
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 6: when they're talking about legends, and Ahsoka says there's a

501
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 6: little bit of truth in legends. I feel like there's

502
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 6: something significant with that. And I don't know if that

503
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 6: is sort of a nod to the legends, you know,

504
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 6: the some of the literature that that you know, the

505
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 6: legends literature. I don't know, just I feel like that

506
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 6: was a bit of a goose egg of some type,

507
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 6: and I'm not sure, or easter egg or whatever, some

508
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 6: type of something that was meant to sort of reverberate,

509
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 6: and I was going, like I got a little distracted

510
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 6: by it. I was like, maybe I'm making a meal

511
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 6: out of it, and it's just it's just a phrase,

512
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 6: but it felt significant on some level.

513
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: You are right, Nika Fetterman, Oh my god.

514
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love her. She's so awesome. She's great. It

515
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 5: really is.

516
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: To the imagery.

517
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: I wrote down that at first the Si Temple was

518
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 3: looking a bit like Mortor to me, and it just

519
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: kind of the outside of it, and then once you

520
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: got inside it, uh, it had like a squid game.

521
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: But the coloration of the yeah.

522
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: Interesting, well, not know that sequence when you're you guys

523
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: are entering the temple with like the lifting the doors,

524
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: and and you know, progressing is really cool and really creepy.

525
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 5: That's when the growls were Yeah, like every like yeah,

526
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 5: and and and the music too.

527
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we always talk about the music,

528
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: but it's worth talking about because it's so good. It's

529
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: so obviously different than the music usually is on our show,

530
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's i mean, it's so world building, you know,

531
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: like it's just really a man. I can't get over

532
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: how good Sam is at being so deeply disturbing.

533
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wrote that.

534
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: They wrote that really well because almost like I'll liken

535
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: it to a rom com, like from when Ezra first

536
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: meets Mall all the way to him jumping with him,

537
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: going like I do it with the canaan all the

538
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: time you.

539
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: Earned that entire art. It was like the romance of

540
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: them coming together, not there's no trust, they're on a

541
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: date in a way going through to like okay, is

542
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 2: he going to screw them over? And he helps him

543
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: up and you're like they're together. Yeah.

544
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: It really I feel like in this year, you don't

545
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: ever get it as sort of clean and that arc

546
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: worked entirely on its own in my mind, Like just

547
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: watching it was like I get it.

548
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. When he tells you to use your anger,

549
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 5: Oh god, yeah, that's insane, right I did.

550
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: Okay again, sorry to keep talking to my episode two

551
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: or the second episode, but kind of get a little

552
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: mad Ezra in that episode because I'm like, cal I'm

553
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: on man. But in this episode, I felt like, you

554
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: know you're buying it hook Line and Sinker for the

555
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: most part. I mean, you are skeptical initially and then

556
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: you I mean, he is so convincing, and I mean

557
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: he really gives you no reason to not go on

558
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: that journey with him, other than his like incredibly evil eyes.

559
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: Like I was like, Ezra, this is a bad guy,

560
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, you can't really. I mean, I don't think

561
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: one can really blame Ezra in this episode for like

562
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: kind of just going along because you are a trusting

563
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: per and this guy's giving you every reason to trust

564
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: and he's so convincing.

565
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: But I mean he also saves his life, like he's

566
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: about to falling, staves him and rather than just take

567
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: the call of ground, keeps him up. But there's also like,

568
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: at least in the back of my mind is always

569
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: alive in Ezra, maybe just personally, but I'm like It's

570
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: the thing that everyone had with their parents. My parents

571
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: would like, don't do this, don't trust a person, and

572
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: I'd be like, well, I know better than you.

573
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: I get you what you want.

574
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: Yes, I won't let them kill me or abduct me,

575
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: but I'll be okay, like I'm actually playing them as well.

576
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: And as much as that might not be written in there,

577
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: that's always the choice in my head. It's like, cool, mom,

578
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: sounds good, but I'm job at the hut, so.

579
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And there's until.

580
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: But then, what I will say about the second episode,

581
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: I give it up because he gives it up too,

582
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: though he says.

583
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm all.

584
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: When he says that I don't remember my real name.

585
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: But what I will say because it did bug me.

586
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: But then I was like, okay, if you look at it.

587
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: When we see what he does to Canan, were like, Ezra, what.

588
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: Are you doing?

589
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: But Ezra doesn't know you know what I mean? So

590
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: as the audience are like, okay, come on, dude. But

591
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: still he's going like this guy saying all the right things.

592
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: He just saved my life.

593
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: Well, he just fought with us.

594
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 6: I think the fact that he walks with a cane

595
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 6: and comes at you like an older dude who can't

596
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 6: do it alone.

597
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 5: It really preys on the kindness that you know.

598
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 6: I know Ezra, you know, was a swindler and you know,

599
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 6: grew up on the mean streets and you know, still

600
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 6: his melurns and what have you.

601
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 5: But like at the core of it, you know.

602
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 6: You commune with animals and you have a something about

603
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 6: you that of course you're going to help this elderly dude, right,

604
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 6: I mean I think he hooks you a bit with

605
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 6: that that demeanor that doesn't look like the dude who

606
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 6: slashes well okay, we won't go there yet, but you

607
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 6: know what I mean, like this guy does not.

608
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 5: He's manipulating you to the the so so.

609
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: Well and easily is always that way?

610
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: What way manipulative?

611
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, like what are you saying? Slick slick rick?

612
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean yeah, I mean he was cutting half,

613
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 6: so like he's come a long way?

614
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 5: What he was cutting half?

615
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, he came back in the Clone Wars like, yeah, Spider,

616
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 6: mall the U.

617
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 5: Can you clip Taylor's reaction? He was cutting half a

618
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 5: valid reaction?

619
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: What je How's okay this is a little bit. How

620
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: is anyone in the world cutting half and alive.

621
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 5: Fair fair question. It is a fair question.

622
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 6: We were all shocked, which is why, which is why

623
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 6: the internet broke when when he clicked clay with came

624
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 6: out was.

625
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: Like rebels when you find out the Clone Wars.

626
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 8: But for a long.

627
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 7: Time, like there was speculation and then they confirmed it

628
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 7: in Clone Wars because after what happened in episode one,

629
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 7: we just assumed that Mall didn't live. But then they

630
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 7: came to the Small Lives campaign like kind of surfaced,

631
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 7: and then it was confirmed. In Clone Wars.

632
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 6: He had a bit of a row with Obi Wan

633
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 6: and it didn't end well from all.

634
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: Later in this show, there's a bit of a row

635
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: where someone's kind of yeah, that's.

636
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 5: The period at the end of the sentence of the

637
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: original row.

638
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, money, they cut him in half the right way, fish,

639
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 11: I mean, j C.

640
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: I don't know how you're not just logging in right now, Actually.

641
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: Don't so Obi won't cut him in half clearly horizontally.

642
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, not vertically. No, No, lesson learned.

643
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 8: You know you live and learn.

644
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 7: I'm glad you brought up all this stuff with this,

645
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 7: like manipulation and also him walking with the cane because

646
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 7: when I watched this through like a different lens. I

647
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 7: call that sequence I called the False Dagoba. And what

648
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 7: I mean about that is, if you were calling, I'm

649
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 7: seeing a lot of Empire strikes back sort of references

650
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 7: throughout the course of this season and the way this

651
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 7: season ends, it's kind of Empire strikes back. He because

652
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 7: it doesn't all go that great. But if you recall

653
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 7: when Luke meets Yoda and Diegoba, Yoda plays it very humble,

654
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 7: you know, and even with the dialogue, Mal says, put

655
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 7: away your weapon. I don't mean any harm. If you're

656
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 7: calling Empire strikes back. Yoda says away put your weapon,

657
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 7: I mean you no harm, and Luke underestimates Yoda, not

658
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 7: realizing this is actually who he seeks. So he actually

659
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 7: found the right Master. But in this case, this is

660
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 7: why I call it the False Dagoba. Azer meets Mal,

661
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 7: someone who's posing as somebody who will be helpful to Ezra,

662
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 7: but Azra meets the wrong Master. So I just felt

663
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 7: like that parallel. There's no accidents when it comes to

664
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 7: the Star Wars lore, especially in this show. It's like

665
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 7: it's like we're getting like a different sort of take

666
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 7: of what other way daegolbook could have gone. And then

667
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 7: this first part it looks like Ezra might make the

668
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 7: wrong choice. And I just thought that sort of parallel

669
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 7: was cool.

670
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: I love that.

671
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 5: I love the way your brain works.

672
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 7: John, Yeah, can you tell my mom that?

673
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 5: That's so funny.

674
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's an Asian thing, but every time,

675
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: like I had a stranger who was idealing I was

676
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: interacting with yesterday and they said something really complimentary.

677
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: Oh, I did a phone interview.

678
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: I did an interview.

679
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: Taylor did the same interview, and he said something really flat,

680
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: like really kind and really flattering, And my instinct was

681
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: to say it was a radio interview on the radio,

682
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: and I was literally my instinct was just saying, oh, thanks,

683
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: can you tell my parents?

684
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 5: And then I was like, Tia, do not say that?

685
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: So I didn't, thankfully, But now I'm.

686
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 8: Saying, now you're saying, I.

687
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 5: Feel you so hard on that.

688
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: When people were like, oh, you're such a you know

689
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: something like about my intellect or whatever, and I'm like, can.

690
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 5: You call my mom and tell her that?

691
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 9: Or my daughter?

692
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 5: Oh, Asian parents, we.

693
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 8: Have that, we do.

694
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 7: And you know, to my mom's credit, she's come around

695
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 7: quite a bit from that, so I kind of say

696
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 7: that ironically now, luckily, but I was talking.

697
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 8: About the same mom for the winter break, and.

698
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 7: I was like, hey, Mom, remember when I was younger

699
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 7: and you said if I didn't get my grades up,

700
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 7: the best school I could get into is air conditioning school.

701
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 7: You know, if I would have done that, I would

702
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 7: be like rolling in me these heat waves in La,

703
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 7: Like I could have bought you that house a long

704
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 7: time ago, but what I always wanted to do. And

705
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 7: she's like laughed and all, She's like, I like, you know,

706
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 7: hindsight is this, you know, because my mom is very

707
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 7: wise in that way. But we had a good laugh

708
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 7: about that. I was like, Mom, maybe you should have

709
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 7: just let me go on to HVAC School because great rolling.

710
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: Where is HVAC School?

711
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's his trade school, so you can go to

712
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 7: like a Divrai Universe or like a Lincoln Technical.

713
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 8: I mean that's why I like.

714
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: I'll look into it.

715
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, my second career.

716
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 7: That's a whole other conversation about our society and where

717
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 7: we are because they infamously took trades out of schools

718
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 7: and they probably shouldn't have, Like people should be learning

719
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 7: electricians and becoming plumbers. But yes, now they're trying to

720
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 7: put them back in the schools.

721
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

722
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: Funny.

723
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 6: I was at the gym the other day and I've

724
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 6: lost like seventy pounds and kept it off for like

725
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 6: twenty years or something, so I'm a gym rat.

726
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 5: And but I said to this guy we were.

727
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 6: Waiting for the same maine, and he was like, you know,

728
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 6: you're really into it, and said, yeah, I should have

729
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 6: been a gym teacher.

730
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 5: And he's like, you still can, Oh, you still can.

731
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: I was like, don't give up that dream.

732
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

733
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 5: I was like really yeah.

734
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 8: He was like you can, and you can.

735
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 5: Then I say, you can. You'd be a great gym teacher.

736
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 5: Are you hitting me? I would be the best gym teacher.

737
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: I would bring you back. Oh my. They so encouraging

738
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 5: to your student. You're like, give me twenty or five ways.

739
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 5: What do you feel comfortable with, teacher? How's your blood sugar?

740
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 5: Do you need anything?

741
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

742
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 9: Yeah?

743
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 5: Do you need a hug? Like, yeah, I would. I

744
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 5: would have loved to have you as a gym teacher,

745
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 5: like the most codependent gym teacher. That's an amazing, amazing

746
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 5: and a little bit of what's her face for saying like,

747
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 5: I can't yeah, can't Yeah, I'm Sally, O'Malley? Is that

748
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 5: Sally Melle? Isn't that Sally Omelly?

749
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 9: Okay?

750
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: It is?

751
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 8: Now anyway, fifty.

752
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: Clip it.

753
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 8: We got a lot of social clips today.

754
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 6: Listen.

755
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 5: The guy was like twenty years old. So there's just

756
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 5: a way that the twenty year old gentleman speak to me.

757
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 5: It's like they're they're you know, Yeah, that was sweet

758
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 5: of him. If you're listening that you're a sweet man.

759
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 8: Gives me hoping gen Z.

760
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 7: So, I want to bring up another thing because we're

761
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 7: talking a lot about Mal and his manipulation. And this

762
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 7: is also a credit to the writing because and we

763
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 7: talked about this with Sam, because Sam we referred to

764
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 7: he referred to Mal as like a forced lawyer, which

765
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 7: he doesn't ever technically lie to Ezra. Even when he says,

766
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 7: are you a Sith? He does it in such a

767
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 7: lawyer way of well, the Sith did this and this

768
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 7: and this, and he deflects it and talking about other

769
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 7: negative qualities, knowing that Ezra is not going to like

770
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 7: the Sith either, so he's going to bond through that,

771
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 7: and then he's like, yeah, I trust this guy because

772
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 7: if he doesn't like the Sith, then he must not

773
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 7: be a bad dude. And so anytime Ezra asked him

774
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 7: a direct question, Maul just had this very clever way

775
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 7: of telling the truth, but not the truth that referred

776
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 7: directly to the answer to the questions, like Vince Gilligan's writing,

777
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 7: like if you look at Breaking Bad, Walter White never

778
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 7: really lies to his wife, he just kind of withholds

779
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 7: certain truth that's essential for her to know. Or if

780
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 7: you watch Pluribus, I don't know if you watch it

781
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 7: in its entirety, but those beings that encounters they never

782
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 7: technically lie to her. They just tell the truth while

783
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 7: withholding certain things that would be essential. And I saw

784
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 7: a lot of that in Mall and it's like that's

785
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 7: you know, as we talk about this all the time,

786
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 7: like animation doesn't always get the credit it deserves for writing,

787
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 7: and I think some of the best writing is an

788
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 7: animation and video games consistently across the board, those the

789
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 7: writing and those mediums are always very good, and this

790
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 7: is no exception. I was like, wow, like this is

791
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 7: really well thought on dialogue delivered by juliar trained totally Yeah, these.

792
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: Two apps are like freaking cinema. They really, really.

793
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: Really it makes sense why when we talk to fans

794
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: at Collins they always have different arcs and they bring

795
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: this one up often, and watching I was like, oh,

796
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: I see why. And to your point, there's a line

797
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: that he says to Canaan where he's like he's like,

798
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: you're on our site down and he's like, I'm the

799
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: enemy of your enemies.

800
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: And I was like, what a line.

801
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 8: We all get what that means.

802
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: At the same time, hearing you say the like half

803
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: your thing, it's like the Mark twainy thing, like a

804
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: half tr It's as good as a lie.

805
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 9: Like my dad used to.

806
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: Kill me over that stuff. I would be like, I'll

807
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 2: give you the information you need. You well, yeah, I remember.

808
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: Anything like that is the worst trait ever. Yeah, okay, okay,

809
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: I'll be honest.

810
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 5: Yeah Chopper though too Oops, sorry, no go ahead. Yeah,

811
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 5: Chopper was mvb oh dude, it was hilarious, right, It's

812
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 5: so funny to me. I know we've talked about this before,

813
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 5: but like watching it now and like when we were recording,

814
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: there was no Chopper. There was no Chopper voice, and

815
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 5: he had never heard Chopper and until we've you know,

816
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 5: a year after we started recording, was when we watched

817
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 5: the first episode, so we didn't even know.

818
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: First of all, we didn't know who it was, right,

819
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: it was just BBBT. Remember we we Vanessa hooked up

820
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: an old script. Oh no, it was sorry, it was

821
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: it was wait what did we decided?

822
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: Words?

823
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: Yes, it was words.

824
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: It was words.

825
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: So we didn't know that it wasn't going to be words.

826
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: It was like that, and and we certainly, I mean,

827
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: we didn't know who it was until we did, and

828
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: then we didn't know what it sounded like until we did.

829
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: And so it's just so funny how kind of important

830
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: or significant his dialogue is, especially in episodes like this

831
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: one and the next one, and we were completely unaware

832
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: of like what that would be and what you know,

833
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: how substantial that was, especially in this episode in the

834
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: next where he is doing so much and has lots

835
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: to say and has important information to convey. But yeah,

836
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: Chopper for the wind, Yeah I thought he I thought

837
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: he really he was very funny. But do you guys

838
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: ever think to yourselves now that we know who, like

839
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: what did what?

840
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 5: What did that sound like?

841
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 6: What?

842
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: I agree?

843
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 6: Was he?

844
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: Because someone sounds like you can understand like was he

845
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: actually saying I.

846
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 5: Think he was cursing?

847
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of it sounds like it.

848
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 5: But but do you all not wonder like what the what?

849
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: Literally that line?

850
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: Chopper says that what you were just saying multiple times

851
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: in the show, and that to me, I'm like, okay that,

852
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: I mean, do you have a.

853
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 5: Visual in your mind of like Folony in the booth

854
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 5: and then but on the other side of the booth.

855
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: Like that's what I'm saying. I see him as Chopper.

856
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: I have a hard time like when, especially in these

857
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: Chopper heavy episodes, I'm like, wait a minute, hold on,

858
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: how did when did this happen? Like was it after

859
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: we all left? And then was no the other side

860
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: of the move?

861
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 5: No one has seen it but the.

862
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: Engineer warms and anything interesting?

863
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, especially because I think a lot of it is cursing.

864
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 5: I really do.

865
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: I agree.

866
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 5: I think we need we need to find the engineer.

867
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 10: And have a little uh tony Cameron k Yeah, I

868
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 10: think Cameron Karen, I think he moved to Mexico.

869
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's living in Mexico now, living the life. Cameron,

870
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 5: are you listening? Can you tell us we need to know.

871
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 5: Come on, dude, we need the scoop on how those

872
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: Chopper recording sessions went. I wonder if he signed some

873
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 5: document and blood sure, I'm sure.

874
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 7: Well let's get Cameron on here at some point, because

875
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 7: I actually would just be very kete on hearing his

876
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 7: point of view.

877
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: Camaron, Yeah, I was always he always like right in

878
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: my day every time I saw him.

879
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 5: Cam's great. Uh, I think he were friends on Facebook.

880
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 5: I could be shut to him.

881
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: What's face nothing, no idea.

882
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: If I needed more reasons to feel old today, Taylor, Thanks, Sorry,

883
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm old enough when I was when it was the

884
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: Facebook and it was only for college students, so I'm

885
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: like one of the first like one hundred thousand to

886
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: join Facebook back in the day with something like that.

887
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 8: It was he was wild.

888
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 6: I was up for a job last year and they

889
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 6: had to do like a I don't know why, but

890
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 6: some sort of like identity check or this or that.

891
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 5: They asked for my MySpace page.

892
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 8: I was like, that's.

893
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: No, like, could you I don't even knowbody?

894
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 6: And I'm like, if you need to do that deep

895
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 6: a dive on the most boring person, why would that dude?

896
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 5: No idea didn't say what was my username? I don't remember.

897
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 6: I have no clut I'm fair certain that I was

898
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 6: also posting mullets at that point in my life.

899
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 8: They want to see who your top eight was?

900
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was.

901
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 5: It was a good time. My Space was a good time.

902
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: It also consumed a lot of time that I should

903
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: have been, like going to class in college or like

904
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: studying for a class.

905
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 5: But my Space, well I must have done something wrong

906
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 5: because I did not work the job. And uh oh

907
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 5: well well, I mean not not that my MySpace play

908
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 5: page was to blame, but it could have been. I

909
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 5: really don't know.

910
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: I I challenged them to find anyone that still has

911
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: I don't think my space exists, but I could be

912
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: wrong about that.

913
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. That's like, so what kind of deep anyway?

914
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: All right, moving on?

915
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

916
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 6: The other thing I thought was really adorable to watch

917
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 6: it is shut Out to Canaan. I thought Freddy was

918
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 6: absolutely adorable trying to rain you in and uh, I

919
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 6: think I know Ezra has something to do with this.

920
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 6: I just I love the sense of how your relationship

921
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 6: has grown at this point and how we do see

922
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 6: you going like yeah, Dad, okay, yeah, but I'm fine,

923
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 6: and then uh not so much.

924
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: Also, maybe mark this down on the calendar, Taylor, But uh,

925
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: you're really good in this episode, like.

926
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 5: Red, Let I know, I really sounded like you were

927
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 5: really you were so like I you're so. It's so gosh,

928
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 5: what am I trying to say? Sweet?

929
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 8: Like you're.

930
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: Your trust of this person who is giving you every

931
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: reason to trust him. Like I said, I don't get

932
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: mad at it Ezra until next episode, but this episode

933
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I get it, and you're It's just

934
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: it's it feels like like all of your training up

935
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: until this point has led you to this place where

936
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: you can be so trusting of this person.

937
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's good

938
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 5: and bad, I guess.

939
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: But like you know, street Urchin a lad Into, Ezra

940
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: would never he would have been super you know, his

941
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: guard up. He would have been extremely skeptical. He never

942
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: would have given up any like pertinent information about himself.

943
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: And I think it kind of speaks to like your

944
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: your journey and how far you've come as a person

945
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: and a team member, a teammate that you kind of

946
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that bad though, because you're trusting

947
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: an evil being but I just think that speaks to

948
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: your kind of development as a person and like mature,

949
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: your your naturation.

950
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: They're talking about.

951
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: There is something that bummed me out a little bit though,

952
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 3: because I enjoy looking objectively, like watching it, the purity

953
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: of Ezra.

954
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: There's like a real earnestness in his curiosity that I

955
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: know I had. This is so sad. I feel like

956
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: it's not the same now, like because of where we're

957
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: at in the world. And I genuinely was like, oh man,

958
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: I literally while I was watching, I was like, could

959
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: I no matter how great or tar we are as actors,

960
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: you're only you can only remove yourself so far from

961
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: who you are and your philosophies and your beliefs and everything.

962
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: I was like, could I be that pure again? I

963
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: don't think so, And that kind of bummed me out,

964
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: Like I genuinely believe that I can understand it, but

965
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: it's that was also who I was of it, you

966
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And it's not the same now

967
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 3: with the world and everything. And I was like, oh shit,

968
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: that's real.

969
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 5: I hate to say this.

970
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: I mean I hate that this is the case, but

971
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: you're also that was eleven years ago that we reported this,

972
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: and you were just a young, a young book and

973
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: you believed in things, and I you know, it's sad

974
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: that that's what adulthood does to us, but you're just

975
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: it does less impressionable now you were more impression.

976
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: And you don't like people are trying to pull one

977
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: over and it's it sucks.

978
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 5: Don't lose your whimsy.

979
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but ten out of ten guys, thank you too.

980
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 6: And no.

981
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 8: Note you're on top.

982
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 7: I like that. And I think you're alluding to like

983
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 7: shun'ri or Suzuki's beginner mind. I think Ezra never lost

984
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 7: the beginner mind, even though everything he experiences he always

985
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 7: stays like I don't know, not like he's always a

986
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 7: white belt, but he has like the white belt mentality,

987
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 7: always wanting to add more and never having the cup

988
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 7: that's too full, because if your cup's full, you can't

989
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 7: fill it with something else that might be a better

990
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 7: beverage because your cup is full. And I feel like

991
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 7: that's Ezra, and I think we can all take a

992
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 7: page out of that. And because because of obviously Taylor

993
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 7: being robbed of an Emmy Award for his performance too,

994
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 7: me adding on to the complimentary of your performance, and

995
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 7: I'm not as the kids say no cap as the

996
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 7: kids say no cap on that, because I really do

997
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 7: mean that because for us to feel that through animation,

998
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 7: and that's a credit to the animators as well and

999
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 7: also the writing. It's the actor who brings that to

1000
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 7: Like James Earl Jones talked about I remember and Is

1001
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 7: and it's like set he got the SAG Lifetime Achievement

1002
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 7: Award and he like quoted the Book of Genesis and

1003
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 7: he's like, I'm not comparing us to our maker, but

1004
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 7: the actor is the only person that can breathe life

1005
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 7: into the character. And that's exactly what you did. So

1006
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 7: I think that's, you know, kudos and credit where it's due.

1007
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 7: And the one thing I want to leave us on

1008
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 7: because you brought up a Laddin just now to you

1009
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 7: that moment where Maul helps him up. But there's that

1010
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 7: moment if you know who mal is, You're like, oh,

1011
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,479
Speaker 7: is this where he lets it all go? I swear

1012
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's the exact same shot, and

1013
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 7: I'd have to look it up, but that shot where

1014
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 7: Aladdin grabs a lamp and Jaffar is in disguise and

1015
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 7: he grabs it from him. It's like the same up angle.

1016
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 7: Of course, we know how it happened with Jafar, he

1017
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 7: kicks a Laddin back down to the cava wonders. It's

1018
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 7: like that same moment in that same angle. So that

1019
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 7: space Aladdin rhetoric that's out there, it's being more confirmed

1020
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 7: with like that whole sequence with Maul and Ezra.

1021
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't begrudge those comparisons. I mean, they're not about me.

1022
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if Taylor has any it takes issue

1023
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: with it, but Aladdin is one of the best animated

1024
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: films of all time.

1025
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 5: I will die on that hill.

1026
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: And so like, I don't mind that there are you know,

1027
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: connections to be made or you know, like some I

1028
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: think it's cool.

1029
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 5: I'm now in and now that.

1030
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that scene, I have a Laddin like

1031
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: memorized from beginning to oh yeah, a little Mermaid and

1032
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast, but probably in that order.

1033
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can.

1034
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I often I quote Aladdin like in life, Oh no,

1035
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: I say things like who disturbs my slum?

1036
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 6: No I do.

1037
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: It's a great line. And if you know, you know,

1038
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 5: John knows, I know.

1039
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 8: I'm just absorbing all the words because I know I also.

1040
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 5: Say, what is it?

1041
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 6: Uh?

1042
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: I say I call I say doubting Mustapha instead of

1043
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: doubting Tom, because Robin Williams just came up with that

1044
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: when he's anyway anyway, anyway, I could do the whole

1045
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: movie for you.

1046
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 5: But yeah, do you do? You know what I'm talking about, Joe,

1047
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 5: I'm the same way.

1048
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 7: We're all just quoted at random, if without context, like

1049
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 7: that part where he's imitating Rodney danger figure ou.

1050
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 8: I can't believe him lose it to a rook.

1051
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 6: You know.

1052
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 8: I just say that out of nowhere just because it's funny.

1053
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 5: I say I'm molting. I'm molting, I mean out of

1054
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 5: nowhere for no reason. I don't know.

1055
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: You guys, if you haven't, if you're listening and you

1056
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: are like, what on earth are they talking about? Or

1057
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: you don't remember because it's been a million years since

1058
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: you've seen Aladdin, highly recommend that you just go and

1059
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: rewatch because it holds.

1060
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 8: Up and the animated version, to be clear, not that

1061
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 8: will Smith version.

1062
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: No, No, no, no, yesing Robin william Genius performance by

1063
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: a genius actor and.

1064
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 7: The guy who played DJ Tanner's boyfriend, in full house

1065
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 7: as the voice of Aladdin. Is that righter?

1066
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1067
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 5: Huh? How about that? Well, those are the days.

1068
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 8: That we love it even more now, don't you?

1069
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 5: I love it the same because I love it so

1070
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 5: much already.

1071
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 7: All Right, So I think this is a good chance

1072
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 7: for hopefully jac Is isn't too frustrated with us.

1073
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 8: But what have you got today for fact check?

1074
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: You?

1075
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 5: All right, buddy?

1076
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 7: Okay, Soyland, But I don't know if this is like

1077
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 7: a good smile like you have efforts.

1078
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 5: I don't know how you held off till now.

1079
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 12: You guys answered a lot of your own questions like

1080
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 12: Niko Futterman and all of those throughout the course, So

1081
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 12: I don't have a whole lot of stuff, Taylor, you

1082
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 12: said that you didn't write a lot down. I thought

1083
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 12: that one of the cool things about these episodes was

1084
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 12: there was a lot of and maybe I'm getting that

1085
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 12: this episode mixed up because I've watched him back to

1086
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 12: back this morning, but there's a lot of emotional action

1087
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 12: where it's not just like action where it's like, well,

1088
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 12: here's the good guy standing across from the bad guy,

1089
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 12: let's fight like it. It's like kind of an earned

1090
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 12: action release in a way more than like a setup,

1091
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 12: which I think is why brings you in and just

1092
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 12: allows you to kind of like get absorbed into it

1093
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 12: and watch it, because the fighting is actually fighting to

1094
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 12: an end point, to like an emotional endpoint, rather than

1095
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 12: just like we got to get through the blockade, or

1096
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 12: the Clones have to get from point A to point

1097
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 12: B and there's a giant thing in between them. It's

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Speaker 12: like character defining kind of action. Let's see, John, you

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Speaker 12: mentioned something about the three different force wielders, and you

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Speaker 12: said Ezra's is if I know I can protect or

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Speaker 12: something along those lines, which is a very Anakin Skywalker thing.

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Speaker 12: He was looking for knowledge to protect, but also to

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Speaker 12: protect in a selfish way in a way like he

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Speaker 12: didn't want anagain, didn't want pad Me to die. I

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Speaker 12: don't think because he was worried about pad may die.

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Speaker 12: I think he was worried about what it would do

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Speaker 12: to himself.

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Speaker 9: Taylor.

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Speaker 12: Just to be very clear, Mal is cut in half

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Speaker 12: in Star Wars Episode one at the end of the

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Speaker 12: Phantom Menace. It's that is where he's cut in half.

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Speaker 2: Did I watch that?

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Speaker 5: You did? And you did when you started going you guys, yeah,

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Speaker 5: oh down, the shoe.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, oh yeah, I thought he died. Everybody thought he died.

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Speaker 2: How does anyone survive much less cut and have been

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Speaker 2: falling a million feet?

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Speaker 12: All right, So I'll give you some answers to that.

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Speaker 12: That's why I'm here. So Darth Maul, prior to Clone Wars,

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Speaker 12: Dminator was was a species called a Zabric. After Clone Wars,

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Speaker 12: he is Datha Mirian. But there's some like wild retcon

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Speaker 12: that they did to reconcile that there's kind of two

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Speaker 12: species and planets and things. Zabriks have two hearts, so

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Speaker 12: two hearts allow them to train harder, push their bodies faster,

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Speaker 12: all of those things, because their blood is more oxygenated easily,

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Speaker 12: more easily because they have two hearts pumping the blood

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Speaker 12: through their system, getting cut in half, falling down a

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Speaker 12: choot into a big pile of junk, and then surviving

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Speaker 12: that junk being transported to a different planet. The in

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Speaker 12: house lore the cannon on that is, he had such

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Speaker 12: a mastery of the dark side and such a hatred.

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Speaker 12: Darth Maul was taken from his family as a child

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Speaker 12: and trained to hate. So the analogy I would make

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Speaker 12: is like if you took a puppy, and you trained

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Speaker 12: it to be a fighting dog and then unleashed it

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Speaker 12: to fight, and it's spent its entire life for this fight,

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Speaker 12: and then it lost. It lost its first fight to

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Speaker 12: Obi Wan Kenobi. The hatred of spending its entire of

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Speaker 12: spending his entire life training for one purpose, which was

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Speaker 12: to win. Essentially that fight against Obi Wan Kenobyte. His

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Speaker 12: hatred kept him alive, and he used machinery and things

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Speaker 12: found in that garbage choot, essentially to Darth Vader build

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Speaker 12: himself into a thing that could survive.

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Speaker 9: The other thing.

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Speaker 12: Is that a lightsaber cauterizes as it cuts, So in

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Speaker 12: Empire Back when Luke gets his hand cut off, there's

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Speaker 12: not blood all over the place.

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Speaker 9: When you know.

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Speaker 12: Django Fett's head gets cut off, all of these things

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Speaker 12: that happen, the only time you see blood is in

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Speaker 12: the First Star Wars A New Hope when Obi Wan

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Speaker 12: cuts the guy's arm off in the Cantina, Because I

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Speaker 12: think they haven't hadn't like established that quite yet. So

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Speaker 12: when he's cut in half, it's cauterized. None of his

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Speaker 12: guts and stuff fall out. His hatred keeps him alive,

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Speaker 12: and he is able to use his mastery of the

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Speaker 12: power of the dark Side to rebuild his bottom half

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Speaker 12: into this giant spider thing that I would imagine processes

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Speaker 12: and handles the type of things that would have been

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Speaker 12: lost at the point he was cut in half. So

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Speaker 12: he's more of an amputee perhaps than he was like killed.

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Speaker 9: Yes, there's some.

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Speaker 12: There's a little bit of suspension of disbelief that you

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Speaker 12: need to make the leaf between Star Wars episode one,

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Speaker 12: and then we learn about his backstory in Clone Wars

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Speaker 12: season four episodes twenty one and twenty two, and then

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Speaker 12: there's been a million comic books and things written about it,

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Speaker 12: but those are the two episodes if you want to

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Speaker 12: you're listening to this and you want to just do

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Speaker 12: a quick revisit of Darth Maul's backstory. Episodes twenty one

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Speaker 12: and twenty two of season four, Ezra picks up the

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Speaker 12: Crossguard lightsaber. The first time in the real world that

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Speaker 12: we see that was in the trailer for The Force Awakens.

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Speaker 12: But the backstory canon is that it is a style

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Speaker 12: of lightsaber that existed, and the idea with the Crossguards

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Speaker 12: in Kylo Renz saber was that the I guess the

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Speaker 12: kyber Crystal was cracked and unstable, and so those were

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Speaker 12: actually really like exhaust fence to help stabilize the energy

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Speaker 12: and the power coming from Vanessa. You brought up there's

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Speaker 12: a little bit of truth in Legends quote, and it

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Speaker 12: is a reference to all the Star Wars books that

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Speaker 12: got decanonized by Lucas Film when Disney took over, or

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Speaker 12: when Disney took over and they erased all those backstories.

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Speaker 12: But I think what you're thinking about is that Dave

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Speaker 12: Filoni did a Comic Con panel where he said there's

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Speaker 12: always a little bit of truth in Legends, which he

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Speaker 12: was quoting Ahsoka from the end of season two, so

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Speaker 12: this must have been pre season three, and is when

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Speaker 12: he revealed that Grand Emerald Braun was coming to the

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Speaker 12: show because Grand Emerald Thron was an invention from Timothy's

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Speaker 12: on in nineteen ninety one, which was kind of the

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Speaker 12: relaunch of the Star Wars expanded universe in the air

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Speaker 12: to the Empire book.

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Speaker 9: Oh We'll end on a fun one. Talked about MySpace.

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Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, you don't.

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Speaker 12: MySpace still exists. It is mostly a movie site or

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Speaker 12: a music site. However, you can sign up for a

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Speaker 12: MySpace account and use it for online dating and meeting

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Speaker 12: and connection as well, So bridge that gap. Bridging that

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Speaker 12: gap is harder to figure out than how Mole survived.

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Speaker 12: But I looked up Vanessa, I cannot find your MySpace page.

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Speaker 12: Taylor cannot find a MySpace page. Tia cannot find a

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Speaker 12: MySpace page. I didn't look up me or John. However, Tia,

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Speaker 12: you do have a ts er Car fan page that

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Speaker 12: somebody created in Boston, A single picture of you on it.

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Speaker 5: Is it a good one or a bad one?

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Speaker 2: Be for real?

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Speaker 9: It's a good picture.

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Speaker 12: It looks like a red carpety type headshot, definitely professionally taken.

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Speaker 12: But it's cropped so you don't actually catch your whole

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Speaker 12: like it's like you catch like half of your face.

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Speaker 9: Your waist.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, embarrassing.

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Speaker 12: No, no, no, it looks like they took the picture

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Speaker 12: from like your IMDb or something.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well, thanks to the one person who

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Speaker 1: decided to make a MySpace fan page.

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Speaker 6: I don't think I ever canceled the account, so I

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Speaker 6: must have called myself like mullet, juice dot gov or something.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: There's a lot of Vanessa Marshals on MySpace, but no

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Speaker 12: vansm Marshall that has a.

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Speaker 9: Photo that that looks remotely anywhere to who you are.

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Speaker 5: Well, i'll give it a look. I just got a

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Speaker 5: text from someone.

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Speaker 6: I think these are Hasbro Black Series figures that are

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Speaker 6: out for tomorrow and look at that.

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Speaker 5: We're cast Yeah cool pre orders or tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: So I guess lill lall are already be going, uh yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's mall awesome.

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Speaker 5: Yeah anyway, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 6: I don't doubt that there's probably a picture of me

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Speaker 6: or or something stupid. I probably am one of those

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Speaker 6: Vanasa Marshals. I'll get back to you. Keep us posted

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Speaker 6: all right.

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Speaker 5: To be away, Yes, no problem, I'll see why I

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Speaker 5: didn't get that job.

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Speaker 8: Well, that makes for a great story either way. So

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Speaker 8: thank you as always, j H.

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Speaker 7: We will see you all next week because we got

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Speaker 7: part two of Twilight apprenticed on RAP a lot of

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Speaker 7: good stuff in that. In the meantime, send us your

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Speaker 7: MySpace pages and and just like on a MySpace page,

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Speaker 7: Taylor's going to say the magic words here.

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Speaker 2: The music.

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Speaker 7: Brody Executive producer and in house Star Wars guru slash

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Speaker 7: backchecker J C. Reifenberg. Our music was composed by Mikey Flash.

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