Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
Speaker 1: Ray drops on today's episode of Reality with the King.
Speaker 2: First of all, Happy New Year.
Speaker 1: I've missed you guys so much, and I hope you
Speaker 1: all had a wonderful, safe, and prosperous holidays because I
Speaker 1: know that I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honey, Okay, back to business.
Speaker 1: So on today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm
Speaker 1: coming at you guys with an exclusive. I'm chatting with
Speaker 1: Election Billino formerly Okay Breaking News, formerly of the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Orange County as she and I had a
Speaker 1: conversation on her podcast.
Speaker 2: Called Going Rogue.
Speaker 1: So Going Rogue is Alexi Milino's new podcast that you
Speaker 1: can find wherever you get your podcasts. She and I
Speaker 1: are having a conversation about her decision to first of all,
Speaker 1: join the Real Housewives of Orange County and how she
Speaker 1: felt when she received the phone call as to why
Speaker 1: she was not asked back. Yeah, so we talk about
Speaker 1: that and we get to lots of things. So without
Speaker 1: further ado, here is my conversation with Alexis Billino.
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, Alexis Billino here. I am here on a
Speaker 3: very fun day just to clear the air and get
Speaker 3: some new gossip out there, some things that none of
Speaker 3: you have heard before. And I'm here with my friend
Speaker 3: Carlos King, who you know. I think he's going to
Speaker 3: have some good insight for me.
Speaker 1: Carlos, alexis so good to see your Daphace.
Speaker 3: Hey, honey, how are you.
Speaker 1: I've got how's it going. I'm so excited for you.
Speaker 1: Congratulations or join the pod world?
Speaker 3: Uh, thank you, thank you. This is the This is
Speaker 3: definitely dipping my feet in very fast, but with one
Speaker 3: of the best. So thank you for joining me today.
Speaker 2: No, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, the Kathy Hilton party, Let's just
Speaker 3: get that out of the way, because is that not
Speaker 3: the most amazing experience.
Speaker 1: Honey, It was so much fun and it was nice
Speaker 1: just to be a.
Speaker 2: Mocks your peers.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean, like people within your
Speaker 1: industry who kind of just has so much respect for
Speaker 1: the art of this John and Robbie Carr reality television,
Speaker 1: because it's a tough gig to have, so to be
Speaker 1: a mocks the reality elite, to be celebrated, to have
Speaker 1: Kathy Hilton be the grand hostess that she is, and
Speaker 1: to see you and John, I had a really really
Speaker 1: good time.
Speaker 3: You well, you were the best dressed. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that just because I'm trying to like by bar like
Speaker 3: even over John, I'm sorry, babe, but you yeah, you were.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Okay, I wonder was that was that
Speaker 3: coat last season or this season or what it? What
Speaker 3: was it?
Speaker 2: It was Louis Vuitton, right, it was a little biton
Speaker 2: coat that was.
Speaker 3: I couldn't take my off of it, and it was listen.
Speaker 1: I I went to London for a day in September
Speaker 1: and when I walked in, you know how, like sometimes Alexi,
Speaker 1: you walked to a store and you know how, like
Speaker 1: the associate are like, is there anything you're looking for,
Speaker 1: and You're like, I'm actually browsing, you know, And I
Speaker 1: actually was browsing.
Speaker 2: Girl. I saw that.
Speaker 3: Call and you're like the heavens opened.
Speaker 1: Oh girl, and I said, I have to have it.
Speaker 1: I tried it on and I'm like, let me just
Speaker 1: buy it. So I bought it in September, and I
Speaker 1: kept saying to myself, you gotta find the perfect occasion
Speaker 1: to wear it, Honey, Kathy Helton's party, Honey's the perfect occasion.
Speaker 3: I start shopping for her a gown for her dresser
Speaker 3: or a dress for her event, like in August or September,
Speaker 3: like I'm I'm always looking because it is the party
Speaker 3: of the year.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing was you like your energy
Speaker 3: when you come around is just so infectious. Do you
Speaker 3: see people flocking to you? Like, did you notice that
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 1: You know I did, And I'll say this, it's such
Speaker 1: a compliment to hear that, So thank you, Alexis.
Speaker 2: I am a people person.
Speaker 1: I really do love people, and I am of the people.
Speaker 1: So whether you're a celebrity or not, I give the
Speaker 1: same energy to anybody that I either meet for the
Speaker 1: first time or I'm a fan of and listen, I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, I'm a fan and a
Speaker 1: student of reality TV. So it's nice to meet someone
Speaker 1: like you. It was nice to meet. I mean I
Speaker 1: did meet Emily and Gina.
Speaker 3: That's okay. Hey, you know we're all we're all work associates.
Speaker 3: We're all in the same business.
Speaker 2: And why I have been you guys are best friends.
Speaker 2: Shut the front door.
Speaker 3: We are not best friends. I never said that. Don't
Speaker 3: don't put words in my mouth, Carlos to.
Speaker 2: You the concept, Oh what do you mean?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh got you? Okay, No, but when you
Speaker 3: went to piggyback on what you were just saying, I
Speaker 3: feel like being in that environment, like John and I
Speaker 3: have been so judged this season and so, you know,
Speaker 3: just the vitrial hate that we've had, it was so
Speaker 3: nice to have so many people come up and be like,
Speaker 3: we understand l we get it. We know this as TV,
Speaker 3: we know that this was So I did leave that
Speaker 3: party feeling like America can hate us, but at least
Speaker 3: the people that were there that work in this industry
Speaker 3: get it and are like, Okay, you had to take
Speaker 3: one for the team. It was a bad season whatever,
Speaker 3: So that let me.
Speaker 2: Stop you there, Let me stop you there. America doesn't
Speaker 2: hate you.
Speaker 1: And this is what I want to tell you, as
Speaker 1: somebody who has been doing Housewives since two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight starting Atlanta Housewives.
Speaker 2: And this is the way before social media was a thing.
Speaker 1: Social media represents two percent of America right of the world,
Speaker 1: not just Americans, the world at large, just because there's
Speaker 1: people on social media who are in competition to leave
Speaker 1: the best comment, and by the best, I mean the
Speaker 1: worst comment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they have to one up each other.
Speaker 1: And I never want you, Alexis, or any of the
Speaker 1: girls or guys on reality television to assume for a
Speaker 1: millisecond that these comments represent the world at large. I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, when you go out into
Speaker 1: the real world and you interact with people, nine times
Speaker 1: out of ten, you're not going to run to people
Speaker 1: who have that same you know, hate that they do
Speaker 1: online because it is not so.
Speaker 3: We haven't had one were you. We haven't had one
Speaker 3: person out out in the world wherever we're traveling or
Speaker 3: wherever we are, we have you know, everyone always comes
Speaker 3: up and says, I love you, you were my favorite this
Speaker 3: season everyone. I think that that just comes out of
Speaker 3: people's mouth because they don't know what to say to
Speaker 3: you when they see you feel like they mean but
Speaker 3: they don't know, they don't know they don't. I know
Speaker 3: they don't. And I'm okay, look, I am not here
Speaker 3: to get my ego coached. Okay, I know I am good,
Speaker 3: but but it is it is just a weird. It
Speaker 3: just felt really good to be at that party. It
Speaker 3: really did, and to have people say we get it,
Speaker 3: we understand because they all are in the industry. They are,
Speaker 3: and Kathy does. Last year she brought in snow like
Speaker 3: this woman does not put like real snow. Okay, Ice
Speaker 3: was all over it was. It was the real deal.
Speaker 3: So anyway, that was amazing. But I do want to
Speaker 3: ask you, and I want you to be completely honest, Carlos,
Speaker 3: and if you hurt my feelings, it's okay. At the
Speaker 3: end of the day, I know that you, I know
Speaker 3: who you are, and I appreciate your truth behind this, Okay.
Speaker 3: So I want to ask you, what do you think
Speaker 3: I could have done this season that would have possibly
Speaker 3: allowed the viewers to like actually connect from my story?
Speaker 3: What did I do that made them disconnect so much
Speaker 3: from me?
Speaker 1: You came across too hard in your defense of John.
Speaker 1: I would if I were you the first episode when
Speaker 1: you came in looking gorge and you told Shannon, there's
Speaker 1: a door, shannaa door, and you defended John. That would
Speaker 1: have been the end of it. And what I would
Speaker 1: have done is said Shannon as a woman. I need
Speaker 1: you to know that you and I don't have an
Speaker 1: issue because I did nothing to you. I Alexis Belino,
Speaker 1: did not do anything directly to you, Shannon ba Door.
Speaker 2: I didn't date you, hon to sleep with you.
Speaker 3: I don't know you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know each other like that, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know you. So I understand that the guy I'm
Speaker 1: in love with and I'm seeing that you two have
Speaker 1: an issue.
Speaker 2: So guess what.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you two fight that battle because the
Speaker 1: battle is not mine, it is yours, right, And I
Speaker 1: would have left it there, And then I would have
Speaker 1: I would have definitely used more of my cameras time
Speaker 1: to get to know the girls, because I will say this,
Speaker 1: I if I was her producer or friend, I would
Speaker 1: have said, how amazing would it be that you and
Speaker 1: Shannon kind of become friends? Like, like, what what a
Speaker 1: great surprise would that have been if you use that.
Speaker 2: Opportunity to get to know her?
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna tell you something I did Atlanta Housewife
Speaker 1: Season four, right Marlo Hampton came on the show. Ninnie
Speaker 1: Leaks obviously was like the face of that particular franchise.
Speaker 1: Long story short, it was alleged and Marlow Hampton had
Speaker 1: a boyfriend that allegedly Nini Leaks was like seeing at
Speaker 1: the time while she and Greb were going through divorce.
Speaker 1: So everybody thought like, oh my gosh, marlow and Nini
Speaker 1: about to be the odds. And the best thing Ninny
Speaker 1: Leaks did she befriended Marlowe and then shocked the cast,
Speaker 1: and it's the reason why Marlon Hampton became a housewife.
Speaker 1: So I would have definitely did the I would have
Speaker 1: done the most shocking thing, which was like, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: me and Shannon could be friends after all, and.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and in the perfect world that might
Speaker 3: have been able to happen. Let me give you a
Speaker 3: little background and then tell me how, because this is great,
Speaker 3: This is great advice, and obviously Hideesight's twenty twenty. When
Speaker 3: you look back, you're like, Okay, could have, should have
Speaker 3: would However, I was in a knowing situation. I feel
Speaker 3: even hearing you say what you just said, because I
Speaker 3: do not have you know, I don't wish ill on anybody,
Speaker 3: even my worst enemy, anyone, I don't wish any ill
Speaker 3: on them. I was going in optimistic that we could
Speaker 3: be amicable and do our job, which is work together
Speaker 3: in a group of women. She was never going to
Speaker 3: have any part of that, by the way, I think
Speaker 3: she went in the season saying, I will never talk
Speaker 3: to her. I don't care. I don't want to film
Speaker 3: with her. She felt with the least amount she possibly could,
Speaker 3: I asked for constant sit downs with her. Never would happen,
Speaker 3: just to smooth it over, because I could see I
Speaker 3: could see the wear and tear on the women's faces
Speaker 3: for trying to be friends with me and friends with her,
Speaker 3: and knowing that they didn't really dislike either of us.
Speaker 3: They just didn't know they were put in a really
Speaker 3: bad position too. So in my mind, I'm like, let's
Speaker 3: try to just be amicable, do our job, and get
Speaker 3: through the day, and at the end of it it
Speaker 3: is John in your battle. However, the first meeting I
Speaker 3: had with her where she asked to speak to me,
Speaker 3: I said, okay, that was when I've said there's the door,
Speaker 3: Shandon ba door. Three things came up that she had
Speaker 3: like they cut it down to the one. There were
Speaker 3: three other things, and so I sat there for twenty
Speaker 3: five minutes just listening, listening, listening, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, let's get to the elephant out of
Speaker 3: the room. Let's just squash it now. And so, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was hard. It was hard. I was also nervous.
Speaker 3: I was also getting eaten up by her at the moment,
Speaker 3: and I was also just tired of it. I'm like,
Speaker 3: this isn't the real problem. So in hindsight, you are
Speaker 3: absolutely right. I should have probably just said, Okay, I
Speaker 3: know you're hurting. I am not. This is not easy
Speaker 3: on me either, you know, like it was not easy
Speaker 3: for me to do any of the filming that I
Speaker 3: did this season. Carlos. The other part to that, So
Speaker 3: that's one part. The other part to that is I
Speaker 3: would go into the scenes, and you, being a producer,
Speaker 3: can appreciate this. I would go in thinking, not going
Speaker 3: to mention his name. I have so much more to
Speaker 3: talk about. I would connect with the other women. I
Speaker 3: would find out about their children, I would find out
Speaker 3: about what was going on. We would talk about real
Speaker 3: life things happening, and then lo and behold one of
Speaker 3: the women would have to bring up his name, and
Speaker 3: there were so many misconceptions about him the entire season,
Speaker 3: and so many lives that were said, what would you
Speaker 3: do if that was your the person you love? And
Speaker 3: what I've learned one of my downfalls is when I love,
Speaker 3: I love hard and I am loyal to a fault.
Speaker 3: And this defending John came to my own detriment. I
Speaker 3: get that I lost in the public, the world of
Speaker 3: public opinion. I get that the court of public opinion,
Speaker 3: but I also wanted to live authentically and also wanted
Speaker 3: to really film an authentic show. And so if people
Speaker 3: are constantly talking about him other castmates when I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to not be talking about him and I'm really trying
Speaker 3: not to, then how do you handle that moving forward?
Speaker 3: Just for any other reality person or anything like, how
Speaker 3: do you move past that?
Speaker 2: They can only use what you give? Right?
Speaker 1: So I always remember that they can only use what
Speaker 1: you give. If Emily or Gina or have our camera
Speaker 1: brought up John, I would say to them once again,
Speaker 1: he is not I hear to defend himself now. And
Speaker 1: the more you repeat that, the more they're going to say, well,
Speaker 1: this shit is unusable.
Speaker 2: And we have to move on.
Speaker 1: And that's how you take your power back, right, That's
Speaker 1: what I did wrong.
Speaker 3: That's what I did wrong, because I would do that
Speaker 3: once and then it would keep going, and then I
Speaker 3: would give in and then I say, okay, now I'm mad,
Speaker 3: and now y'all are really taking me off, and so
Speaker 3: then it would happen, and that's you're absolutely right, that's
Speaker 3: where I okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the reason why I mean, look,
Speaker 2: la la la la la la la la.
Speaker 1: Look, it's the reason why you have someone I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be very honest with you. Shannon played the game very
Speaker 1: well this season, very well this season because obviously I
Speaker 1: think everybody went in thinking like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: had a dui and let's focus on that and let's
Speaker 1: see what's going on. And we're seeing the same situation
Speaker 1: happen on Pertoma with Karen Huger, another person who got
Speaker 1: a dui. What's been interesting about Shannon and Karen situation
Speaker 1: is rightfully, so, the cast members have questions, but I
Speaker 1: think when you go so hard, I'm not saying you
Speaker 1: did this to do you why, by the way, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: when this is more of a tamor thing that I.
Speaker 2: Told her about.
Speaker 1: Right when you're so harsh to somebody dealing with that,
Speaker 1: at some point, it's like, guys, get them a break.
Speaker 1: And I think Shannon did a good job this season
Speaker 1: making sure that she showed and I'm not saying it
Speaker 1: was real or not. I don't know Shannon, but Shannon
Speaker 1: did a great job in the season showing her runerability
Speaker 1: and emotion and and to the point where I even
Speaker 1: told Tamar, and I said this on my own podcast,
Speaker 1: I felt bad for Shannon. I felt Tamara was so
Speaker 1: hard on on on Shannon that I gave Tamar grace
Speaker 1: by saying this, alexis, Tamar has seen things that we haven't.
Speaker 1: They were actually best friends, They went on tour together,
Speaker 1: they hung out together. Unfortunately, us, the audience, we can
Speaker 1: only judge what we see, and when it came to
Speaker 1: Shannon and Tamara, that's why a lot of us was
Speaker 1: on Shannon's side when it came to you and Shannon, Shannon,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give her her credit. She did a great
Speaker 1: job at making sure to showcase the run ability of
Speaker 1: this alleged loan and things like that. We listen, you
Speaker 1: could be a Shannon fan or not, we all believe
Speaker 1: John in terms of the the details of it. I
Speaker 1: believe John's details for sure. Right the part that came in,
Speaker 1: it felt like it was two against one, and and
Speaker 1: that's why the audience decided to sway.
Speaker 2: More in Shannon's side.
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, yeah, child, we are just getting started. This
Speaker 1: is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's
Speaker 1: get back into the show.
Speaker 3: And I mean when I sit back and try I
Speaker 3: played this through in my mind hundreds of times, and
Speaker 3: I still come back to the fact that like I
Speaker 3: just don't know. I mean, I just can't. I can't
Speaker 3: put a foot in my I mean like I can't,
Speaker 3: I can't put a muzzle on myself. If I get
Speaker 3: to the point where I'm just like okay, enough to enough.
Speaker 3: And that's something I truly need to work on, Like
Speaker 3: I need to learn to just go. And I wish
Speaker 3: now I would have done that. I never even thought
Speaker 3: about just sitting back and going that's between you and John.
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there going his name. He's getting brought up.
Speaker 3: He's not here just to say anything. I'm his only voice.
Speaker 3: I'm the only thing he had where if I had
Speaker 3: sat back, maybe it would have it would have all
Speaker 3: just panned out completely differently. But like I said, that's
Speaker 3: neither here nor there. We can't go back. So the
Speaker 3: other thing I wanted to ask you is what do
Speaker 3: you think, like, what's your true feeling about the final
Speaker 3: scene that came then after?
Speaker 1: So I thought I was very confusing and I did
Speaker 1: not understand it. So listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, Linda,
Speaker 1: this season of the Housewives Bors County season eighteen was
Speaker 1: the best season in Orange County history.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: I never thought the Brooks alleged cancer situation would be
Speaker 1: topped because that was such dramatic, great television. I never
Speaker 1: thought the season where Gretchen had her first season, I
Speaker 1: want to say the season three or four whatever, that
Speaker 1: was a great first season. And for Gretchen and for
Speaker 1: Tamor to emerge as like a badass, this season topped
Speaker 1: both to me because it was a great display a balance,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I thought every girl clocked in.
Speaker 1: I thought Emily and Gina had their best seasons ever,
Speaker 1: and I thought Heather de brou had a great season.
Speaker 2: I thought everybody.
Speaker 1: Clocked in right when it came to the reunion and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the ending scene. When it came
Speaker 1: to the reunion, I said this on my podcast. I
Speaker 1: thought Emily was was fighting for her life. I felt
Speaker 1: like she was auditioning for Tomato. And taler Banks said
Speaker 1: I have two cars left in my hands, and one
Speaker 1: of you girls would be America Next Time Model, and
Speaker 1: Emily said, well, bitch, I would be America Next Time lawyer.
Speaker 1: And I felt that she was so hard on you
Speaker 1: and was just so like unlikable to me, and I like,
Speaker 1: I like Emily, but I detested her performance on on
Speaker 1: the reunion. So then I was like, okay, fine, great reunion,
Speaker 1: all three parts. I'm here for it. Then it was
Speaker 1: the final scene and I'm like, well, what the F
Speaker 1: is this? Like, what'll be watching here? And then as
Speaker 1: I was watching and I'm like why is this important?
Speaker 1: And then I'm watching it something Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's done.
Speaker 2: I don't need this.
Speaker 1: And then it hit me and I said to myself, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I think the choice was definitely two things were happening
Speaker 1: in that scene.
Speaker 3: To me.
Speaker 1: Number one, I felt like I felt that it was
Speaker 1: an opportunity to show that we're off friends. We all
Speaker 1: love each other, Shannon and Tammer have made up, Heather
Speaker 1: looks great, and we're all best friends. So come join
Speaker 1: us next season where you get to see that this
Speaker 1: show is a show about friends.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It was like very Jennifer Anison, Courtney Cox, and Lisa Kudro, do.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was very much like we're friends. Must see TV
Speaker 1: Thursday nights at eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was the first thing to me.
Speaker 1: The second thing that I noticed, too, I was like, huh,
Speaker 1: this was to me a loud message that a lessis
Speaker 1: and John thank you for your services, like bye, like bye,
Speaker 1: get out of here.
Speaker 2: We're done.
Speaker 1: We're closing the chapter on this storyline. So those were
Speaker 1: the two things I walked away from that scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was obviously completely gobsmacked and completely let down.
Speaker 3: I felt the same thing. I was like, Okay, you're used,
Speaker 3: used and thrown away. This is now we're done with you.
Speaker 3: We got the ratings, now we're done. Those were my
Speaker 3: initial two thoughts. And then my third thought was, holy shit,
Speaker 3: Tamara and Heather just did this to me. And I
Speaker 3: spoke to them right before and you know, after the reunion.
Speaker 3: We talked and we you know, so it took me
Speaker 3: like a week before I could even talk to either
Speaker 3: of them. They both texted obviously they felt bad about
Speaker 3: that scene or just wanted to check in and whatever.
Speaker 3: Took me about a week. I just said, I can't
Speaker 3: talk right now. I'm too upset. I can't go. I've
Speaker 3: got to let this all just marinate and I'll talk
Speaker 3: to you because we do have a true friendship. And
Speaker 3: that's the thing is, I didn't want it to you know,
Speaker 3: and I had just the funny thing is, Carlos, this
Speaker 3: is firsthand information. Tamara had just come to my house
Speaker 3: the Tuesday before that Thursday. So it airs on that Thursday, right,
Speaker 3: She had just been at my house for two hours.
Speaker 3: We were literally I was I had my hair getting
Speaker 3: all done, I had boils everywhere. We were eating crackers
Speaker 3: and just hanging out for two hours. And I looked
Speaker 3: her in the eye at that moment. It was almost
Speaker 3: like God told me something was happening, because I asked
Speaker 3: her to come over and I said, I need to
Speaker 3: you eye to eye and we can go to lunch
Speaker 3: or whatever, but I want to see you face to face.
Speaker 3: Had her come over she spent two hours here, great time.
Speaker 3: You know. I just looked at her at one point
Speaker 3: and I said, I need to know something. Are we
Speaker 3: real friends or are we TV friends? Like what is
Speaker 3: what is the what do you classify our relationship as?
Speaker 3: And she looked at me and was like, are you
Speaker 3: fucking serious right now? Like are you really asking me
Speaker 3: this right now? And I'm like yeah, and we've talked
Speaker 3: it over. I felt so confident in our friendship. And
Speaker 3: then that scene aired, so two forty eight hours before
Speaker 3: she could have sat me in the eyes and said,
Speaker 3: Alexis there is something that's going to come out that
Speaker 3: you're not going to you know. And she was born
Speaker 3: into secrecy by the you know, the crew and everything.
Speaker 3: I get all that we're here to do a show.
Speaker 3: I get it. However, you can drop a little crumb
Speaker 3: and say you're not going to like the final scene,
Speaker 3: just giving you a little you know, wait, like something nothing. Okay.
Speaker 3: So you know her and I have had tamor and
Speaker 3: Heather and I are working through it. By the way,
Speaker 3: we're not I'm not the person that's just going to
Speaker 3: write that off and be like, Okay, you're never speaking
Speaker 3: to you again, Like I do have deep connection with
Speaker 3: Heather for obviously some of the things we go through
Speaker 3: with the LGBTQ world and just like our life journey
Speaker 3: that we've had, plus what we went through a decade
Speaker 3: ago and we worked past that. Right.
Speaker 2: But did you call Tamra after seeing that scene?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't remember who reached out first, but yeah,
Speaker 3: either either she texted me or called me or I
Speaker 3: called her first. I don't know which would happen first.
Speaker 3: And the same thing with Heather. All I know is
Speaker 3: that I've had a couple hour conversations with Tamra trying
Speaker 3: to work through it and just hammer it out. And
Speaker 3: then I had one one hour conversation with Heather and
Speaker 3: we had to get off the phone. She had to
Speaker 3: run into another podcast, and so she's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we need to shelve this obviously if it's not done yet,
Speaker 3: because I I gave it to her because she's actually
Speaker 3: the one that delivered the information to Shannon and here's
Speaker 3: the here's the kick me the most I know, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to be real with you, So you had
Speaker 3: to take all this information back to your rain drops? Okay.
Speaker 3: So I literally was so like, hold on because when
Speaker 3: John gave that information about actually hearing the crash. Heather
Speaker 3: and Tamra both looked at us, so they were like.
Speaker 3: Heather's defense was, oh, we were sitting around, you know,
Speaker 3: it was a group of people. I said, no, Heather,
Speaker 3: it was me and you and Tamra, my two of
Speaker 3: my closest friends, with Joe dala Rosa, who's a friend
Speaker 3: of mine for a decade, and your two husbands. That's it.
Speaker 3: That's not a big group. That's a very small group.
Speaker 3: We were in a confined room. John felt the you know,
Speaker 3: like he's always questioned about it. Did you hear the wreck?
Speaker 3: Did you not? He's always just said he's always been
Speaker 3: honest about it. They both looked at him and said,
Speaker 3: don't ever owe up to that. Don't ever tell any
Speaker 3: of that. And John's like, I'm going to tell the truth.
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell my side of the story. There's
Speaker 3: no reason to not tell the truth. The truth can't
Speaker 3: hurt you. The truth is, my daughter almost got hit.
Speaker 3: I did hear the crash. We went running, My daughter
Speaker 3: stopped me, pulled me back. They got in their car,
Speaker 3: they went she was already gone. So there's nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with that truth. They did check this scene out after
Speaker 3: they heard it? Was it too late? Yeah? Did chan
Speaker 3: and drive off? Yeah? So that's the truth of it.
Speaker 3: And so you know, it just hurts because nobody should
Speaker 3: have given that information to anyone else except John. That
Speaker 3: should have been you know, they got mad at me
Speaker 3: all season for being John's voice. Well, what the fuck
Speaker 3: did you just do? You were just John's voice, like
Speaker 3: just you don't need to speak for him. And and
Speaker 3: that's where I have to work through with Heather and Tarran.
Speaker 3: That is where it is so like just hurtful, because
Speaker 3: it's like, you don't practice what you preach. You've been
Speaker 3: preaching to me all season to do one thing, and
Speaker 3: then you went and did exactly what you're telling me
Speaker 3: not to do. And you put the nail on the
Speaker 3: coffin by saying, Okay, lex Is God, we don't want
Speaker 3: her back. You know, we're done. We're done with that storyline,
Speaker 3: which I get it. By the way, here's firsthand information,
Speaker 3: Carlos King. I am not asked back next season. I
Speaker 3: am not asked back. I did not.
Speaker 2: How'd you find out a phone call with.
Speaker 3: With with which I I and I have a very
Speaker 3: good relationship with him. Alex basket obviously, but he's my boss.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so, and it was a hard conversation. It came,
Speaker 3: it didn't. I can't say it came as a shock.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it came as a shock. It
Speaker 3: did not come as a shock the tim because it
Speaker 3: was like noon in the afternoon. I guess I wasn't
Speaker 3: really prepared and I didn't think contracts were coming out anytime, like.
Speaker 3: I thought we still had more time, so I thought
Speaker 3: he was calling to check in. Okay, the last scene sucked,
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know what he was calling for,
Speaker 3: but it was a shocking when the call came. I
Speaker 3: was never shocked about that information because it's what are
Speaker 3: they going to do? I didn't know, especially after that scene,
Speaker 3: where how do I fit in? You know? And I
Speaker 3: am very good friends with Katie and Jen. Still I'm
Speaker 3: working through it with Heather and Tamra. I still thought
Speaker 3: there might be a way they can make it work
Speaker 3: for everybody to come back, but you know, the cards
Speaker 3: played the way they did, and how do they bring
Speaker 3: someone back who is not a fan favorite versus the
Speaker 3: fan favorite. And I get that. And when one door closes,
Speaker 3: another door opened, it's totally it was a It was
Speaker 3: a little bit of a real I mean, nobody wants
Speaker 3: the rejection and no one wants to say, Okay, you're
Speaker 3: not as bad. It's already happened to me. It happened
Speaker 3: to me on season eight. Okay, I've been there, done that,
Speaker 3: so it's like, okay, here we go again. But you know,
Speaker 3: there was an instant of oh my gosh, if pay
Speaker 3: relief because now the decision's not on my shoulders. It
Speaker 3: was just taken away. Now we pick up the pieces
Speaker 3: that we move forward, right, because if the decision had
Speaker 3: come and the contract came. Part of what John and
Speaker 3: I spent many nights talking about is do I have
Speaker 3: what it takes to go through another season like what
Speaker 3: I just went through, like watching every episode where but
Speaker 3: if I was a full member, for a full cast member,
Speaker 3: I would have had more opportunity to tell my story,
Speaker 3: to show my side of me that's not just John,
Speaker 3: because he's not my entire life. Like, yeah, I'm marrying him,
Speaker 3: but he's not my entire life. There's so many more
Speaker 3: facets and so many fun things happening in our life.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it makes it
Speaker 3: easy when the decision is not yours anymore. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, now I got to move on.
Speaker 2: Did you cry? No?
Speaker 3: No, No, I think I think I cried so much
Speaker 3: throughout the season just from the way that I was
Speaker 3: portrayed that it was I don't think I had any
Speaker 3: more tears to cry. And it was, like I said,
Speaker 3: I was kind of so beaten down already that it's
Speaker 3: and just from the hate that's come online, it's almost
Speaker 3: like I just I don't have any more tears to cry.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm It's made me stronger. That's the one
Speaker 3: thing this season made me a lot stronger.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about that really quickly,
Speaker 1: because obviously you did have a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: vitrol when it came to the audience reaction by audience,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about social media audience to the point where
Speaker 1: you turn off your comments on your page. Can you
Speaker 1: explain to me, like, listen, we all wanted and I
Speaker 1: mean disrespectfully because that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Thing they gave. We wanted Jesus Jugs back.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Everybody was sort of like campaigning, right, Alexis for you
Speaker 1: to come back.
Speaker 2: And that felt good.
Speaker 1: It feels good to be wanted, to be desired, especially
Speaker 1: by the audience, and you obviously were requested by the
Speaker 1: audience to come back, and then it was a nonster
Speaker 1: coming back, and again it was like, yeah, she's back,
Speaker 1: and that must have felt good. When did you realize
Speaker 1: there was a turn in the reception of you from
Speaker 1: being requested to come back, the fans being excited at
Speaker 1: you're coming back, and then it got so bad to
Speaker 1: where you turn off the comments.
Speaker 3: Well, let me let me just say I turned off
Speaker 3: the comments for the sake of my children. They're very protective.
Speaker 3: They I don't care what people say about me. I
Speaker 3: have a seventeen, seventeen, and eighteen year old and they're
Speaker 3: very protective. And they they were like, Mom, we're going
Speaker 3: to start yelling at these people, like I'm going to
Speaker 3: go to bad. I'm not. I can't take it anymore.
Speaker 3: And I thought, I'm okay with it because I know
Speaker 3: that I don't care. I don't really care what anyone
Speaker 3: said about me. I have a great life. I meant,
Speaker 3: I'm marrying the man of my dreams. I have three
Speaker 3: greade kids. We have businesses we've started, like we're busy
Speaker 3: and it's fun and life is fun, but when your
Speaker 3: kids come to you and can't take it, and I
Speaker 3: you know, I've had many talks with them and sat
Speaker 3: them down and said, you guys understand TVs TA. Even
Speaker 3: though it's reality, it's still TV, and it's not a
Speaker 3: real world. It's not what you know because you watch
Speaker 3: the episodes, you know that's not really your mom. But
Speaker 3: they cut too much out to make it not really
Speaker 3: be me. Where if they would have put a little
Speaker 3: bit more and made it more balanced, like you said,
Speaker 3: it's a balanced season for the entire cast members, maybe
Speaker 3: it was a balanced season. It was not a balanced
Speaker 3: season for me. I've made it very vocal on social media.
Speaker 3: It was not balanced and if they would have made
Speaker 3: it more balanced, America wouldn't have or I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: had so much the trial from it. And I'm okay
Speaker 3: with that. When you're I want to.
Speaker 1: Say this too, I want to say this because I
Speaker 1: did say this is my podcast. When I say a
Speaker 1: balanced season, I'm obviously talking about the Orange Holders, right,
Speaker 1: the women, the Housewives. I said this on my podcast.
Speaker 1: You being a friend of it's a deficit because you're
Speaker 1: not allowed just by definition of being a friend of
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to share your full story. You know,
Speaker 1: you are literally coming in as a friend and you
Speaker 1: have limited scenes and limited confession and un limited ability.
Speaker 1: Right who you know, show showed the full life.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but then on on the flip side of that,
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that, but also, don't use my story
Speaker 3: and my world to become the main storyline, like, just
Speaker 3: don't like That's that's where it really started to affect me.
Speaker 3: Is I don't mind being the friend of I am goofy.
Speaker 3: I do do airheaded things. I do like to have
Speaker 3: fun and laugh a lot, but that is so not
Speaker 3: only me, you know, and I would have been okay
Speaker 3: with that. I feel like a lot of the content
Speaker 3: was used almost against me instead of trying to show
Speaker 3: a little bit more balance. And there's a way to
Speaker 3: do both. But it brought good ratings. Okay, whatever, I mean,
Speaker 3: you move on. It's like it's done, we filmed that,
Speaker 3: it's over. So coming back to what you said, that's
Speaker 3: the reason I turned off my comments was for my children,
Speaker 3: not because of me, Like I said, it's my kids
Speaker 3: need to be able to handle the world that I've
Speaker 3: just brought them back into when they were four, three, four, five,
Speaker 3: six seven different world, right, they don't read comments and
Speaker 3: all of that, so I and I am going to
Speaker 3: turn comments back on, and I am just kind of
Speaker 3: wetting things. It's just like, just let it, you know.
Speaker 3: I almost went through a phase Carlos where I said,
Speaker 3: I'm never going to turn it back on. This is nice.
Speaker 3: I never have to look at anything. I just post
Speaker 3: what I want. This is my world. I never have
Speaker 3: to feel good. It's like it's like, Okay, this is nice,
Speaker 3: but I realize it's like, no, just just turn it
Speaker 3: back on. I'll get there. I'm just trying to let
Speaker 3: things some are down for my children's listen.
Speaker 1: It's a tough gig. Being on reality TV is not easy.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is there everybody watching feels like they
Speaker 1: can do it better. And it's like, you don't know.
Speaker 1: Until you put into this social experiment, you don't know.
Speaker 1: And that's why I had to mention everybody campaign for
Speaker 1: you to come back, and then when you came back,
Speaker 1: are gone. And so that's why I always tell people
Speaker 1: I love the audience, and we are who we are
Speaker 1: because of the audience, but the audience doesn't always get
Speaker 1: it right. And you can't live your life not saying
Speaker 1: you're doing this, but you can't live your life worrying
Speaker 1: or or thinking that the audience knows better, because that's
Speaker 1: not the case. I feel bad for you, honestly, because
Speaker 1: I wish Shannon would say this, as shann if you're listening,
Speaker 1: I will send you a Bouqueera roses because my listen,
Speaker 1: this is how this shit works. Shannon emerged as a
Speaker 1: fan favorite of the season, right, and Shannon did a
Speaker 1: great job being the reality star that she is.
Speaker 2: She did a great job.
Speaker 1: I would love for reality star to at least have
Speaker 1: some self awareness to say, well, shit, thank you Alexi
Speaker 1: for coming on the show, because I mean, dude on me,
Speaker 1: cause listen, if you were on the show, it would
Speaker 1: just be Shannon versus Tamara, and that would have got
Speaker 1: very old, very soon. That's why Tamara was like, all right,
Speaker 1: you're doing the first of your turn because like.
Speaker 3: And like, I totally know. I recognized very early on
Speaker 3: how much I was helping Shannon and helped her because
Speaker 3: of the fact that, you know, I wanted my friends
Speaker 3: on the cast to see the John that I know
Speaker 3: and who he really is, not the John They were
Speaker 3: hearing from this conception.
Speaker 2: All right, rain jobs.
Speaker 1: So that was a little teaser of the conversation that
Speaker 1: Alexis Melina and I had listen to the full interview
Speaker 1: by subscribing to her podcast. Again, it's called Going Rogue
Speaker 1: and it's Alexis Belina podcast, so they hear the rest
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Speaker 1: rain Drops, and I will see you guys when I
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